Is The Best Flight Performance Enough For Toptier? MiG-29 Apex Predator

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  • @freezedvegetal
    @freezedvegetal ปีที่แล้ว +704

    “The aim-7f is basically a carbon copy of the aim-7f” thanks DEFYN lmao

    • @tobi2233
      @tobi2233 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      “The missile of all time”

    • @bhuzu
      @bhuzu ปีที่แล้ว +31

      the missile knows where it is

    • @admiral_alman8671
      @admiral_alman8671 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@bhuzu because it knows where it isn’t

    • @Adam2422
      @Adam2422 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The missile didn't know where it was

    • @MrNextMx
      @MrNextMx ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I could never guess it

  • @TheDAWinz
    @TheDAWinz ปีที่แล้ว +305

    2:26 "The AIM-7F right now is pretty much a carbon copy of the AIM-7F" 😂

  • @henryfraipont9343
    @henryfraipont9343 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    The solution to the missile problem you’re describing IS to make it more like real life. Gaijin should add electronic countermeasures (called infrared jamming). Modern missiles are too strong for flares, so they invented this.

    • @jakeman147
      @jakeman147 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I don’t think the MIG 29 had ECM until later variants. And the B.50 F-16 doesn’t even have ECM other than the ALQ-184, which is obviously a radar based jamming system not meant for IR jamming.

    • @wunderwafelek9740
      @wunderwafelek9740 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Jamming isnt modeled in DCS but you think gajin will add it to war thunder 😂😂🤣

    • @irohnick
      @irohnick ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wunderwafelek9740 it... it isn't?

    • @rubengildenhuys8962
      @rubengildenhuys8962 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jakeman147 They noted in the dev blog for this one that it has ECM suite rather then extra fuel in the area behind the cockpit.

    • @planetfun85
      @planetfun85 ปีที่แล้ว

      Americans are not ready for this, they cry when neded.

  • @getbrutal4388
    @getbrutal4388 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    The gameplay from 10:20 until 11:40 is a prime example of what is broken about Air RB. How you're just engaging and disengaging enemies who are blowing up all over your screen in this massive furball. You're not "in" the furball, but you are. It's so ridiculous to see planes like Phantoms and Mig 29s in situations like this, it makes no sense. Idk how to fix it bit it's the reason I have such a hard time just always playing Air RB.
    *edit*: Still a great vid once again tho Defyn!

    • @banyanyas839
      @banyanyas839 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah every aircraft has its advantages and disadvantages but where every match is a furball fight, every other aircraft except fighter plane is bassically dead instead of making the gameplay better and enjoyable gaijin just said "fuck you here the new aircrafts grind it with our "new" premiums so you can get it faster", i love this game been 2 years since i wished they would fix their gameplay loop but every updates is a massive disappointment

    • @popmordiscos
      @popmordiscos ปีที่แล้ว +9

      The main problem is that the more about realistic missiles you make the game the more real life combat tactics you need to apply. But those where not designed for massive 18 plane fights in a single 128x128km area. For example main BVR tactics messing with situational awareness, dissapering from sight by getting out from an enemy radar scope, cranking to bleed the energy of real life missiles terrain masking, etc. Don't work when there are 5 planes within missile range around you, that's why dessert storm was such a domination even if both sides had the same aircraft and missiles NATO just had 5 different planes shooting from different angles at the Irakis after they got out of their AA bubble.
      War thunder is just not able to manage a balanced BVR game without becoming a second DCS

    • @johncortez8437
      @johncortez8437 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bigger maps would fix it but average monkey brain wt players like the furball gameplay

    • @getbrutal4388
      @getbrutal4388 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@popmordiscos Yeah my fav missile kill that I've ever gotten in War Thunder was me in the Phantom FGR2 vs an F-14 WAYY off to the side. I launched a sparrow from about 12km out, he launched a pheonix, and I actually had time to crank! I never lost lock, I got the kill and dodged the missile, it was easily the most interesting missile kill I've ever gotten. The only thing needed was to be 20-30km away from the furball to have time to actually execute the crank properly. I saved the replay. Out of all my top tier games, that is still the one situation I want to replicate but you just can't. It was full blown DCS and the WT radar mechanics actually allow this manoeuver, but sadly the game design makes it hard for the average player to learn these things.

    • @getbrutal4388
      @getbrutal4388 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@banyanyas839 What is so hilarious about this is that the game mode is so butchered that they had to give the best missiles at 9.7/10.0 to the strike aircraft, making it so that around those BRs, you can have A10s/Su-25s ESCORTING YOUR HARRIERS AND MIG-21s because they can joust and the fighters can't. It's so dumb lol.

  • @DhruvaDevOnline
    @DhruvaDevOnline ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I love how the music started to cut in and play over Defyn's rant .. Almost felt like you could have just faded your voice out as you kept listing the older OP planes ! Either way cant wait to see you in the F16 as well ! GG

  • @f4uincorporated25
    @f4uincorporated25 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Bruh the BR ceiling is still 11.7 I don't care

    • @IJN_Guy
      @IJN_Guy ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Yeah, I thought they were bumping it up to 12.3, but I guess suffering brings in more money.

    • @banyanyas839
      @banyanyas839 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I like how in the devstream the dude say "br decompression is coming" but what we get is a fucking f16 and mig29 at 11.7, while every other br get virtually untouched what a joke gaijin is nowadays

    • @JamesVDBosch
      @JamesVDBosch ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@IJN_Guy I'm just surprised it even went to 11.7, I expected it to stay 11.3.

    • @cloroxbleach9222
      @cloroxbleach9222 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@banyanyas839 Untouched? More like compressed. MiG-21Bis-SAU goes to 11.0, MiG-19s to 9.3 etc

    • @calvinhell4006
      @calvinhell4006 ปีที่แล้ว

      For real

  • @ThePointlessBox_
    @ThePointlessBox_ ปีที่แล้ว +10

    When a company starts to listen to CCs for advice on balancing its a death sentence
    You killed this plane and top tier in the process.

    • @WeebLord69
      @WeebLord69 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah I've started hating defyn even tho i loved him for so many years , he is a biased crybaby just like the ither content creators

    • @Janus54
      @Janus54 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WeebLord69 mkay weeblord 😂

    • @WeebLord69
      @WeebLord69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Janus54 mkay

    • @martijn9568
      @martijn9568 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You really did not watch that video made on the dev server with the R-73 ignoring all the flares an aircraft could throw at it while having ASRAAM manoeuvrability?

    • @ThePointlessBox_
      @ThePointlessBox_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@martijn9568 that was after they were buffed
      The missiles were fine, but then for some reason they buffed them

  • @averytiredman4857
    @averytiredman4857 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Hey Defyn, the changelog says something about A6M Zero changes, I didn't notice any difference but it would be interesting to see a new zero vid, if you need a break from top tier.

  • @stringzzzzz
    @stringzzzzz ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love how the outro music starts as the rant starts to get real. Defyn is the most based wt player i swear.

  • @dawnphantom2439
    @dawnphantom2439 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The combat in top tier post Rank 8 NEEDS to be more about energy retention and jamming the turn rate of the missile in a dogfight. Right now the gameplay is just about finding the person who isn't paying attention and that's it. Sneak attack, run if someone spots you, keep your distance, no actual interesting BVR fights because the missiles are so freaking different per nation, either they're great or they're trash.

  • @whilebearding3290
    @whilebearding3290 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    It's not enough. F16 absolutely dominates. R73 nerf was a mistake. RIP Mig29

    • @bluemarble5338
      @bluemarble5338 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Have you flown the 16 since it was released? You don’t seem to have.

    • @WeebLord69
      @WeebLord69 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@bluemarble5338 it does dominate the mig 29 right now is a joke.

    • @gansior4744
      @gansior4744 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh, someone that didn't touch a F-16 gives opinion, cool

    • @notharry_141
      @notharry_141 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gansior4744 The F-16 is currently bullying the MiG-29, the F-16's only issue is the FCS system that limits it to 9Gs at high speed

  • @appa609
    @appa609 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    the devs actually listened to all the bitching and gave everyone what they wanted...
    Mig-29 had R-73's removed and R-27T's nerfed.
    F-16 got ADF version with AIM-7M's in US and Italian trees
    F-14 got moved back to rank 7 so people can grind F-16 without researching attackers.
    Well everyone except Soviet mains.

  • @kampsie1841
    @kampsie1841 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i played mig29 for 12 hours straight, it's dogshit and bugged to hell, not worth grinding
    fuel gauge will bug out, infinite fuel
    pitching up will randomly pitch down
    radar will randomly track ghost targets even when not trying to lock (No, not TWS lock)
    Missiles will fail to warm up for no reason
    The actual fuel load isn't accurate to how much fuel your given
    You can't turn anywhere above 1100km/h and its ability to bleed speed + horrible acceleration will leave you a sitting duck, go to high to dive on the battle and you get spammed by F14's
    literally can't profit with this so I'm giving up and just going back to 9.7
    gaijin removes R73 instead of a little nerf, while giving F14 pheonix to ruin toptier for a year

  • @grabthememesandrun1204
    @grabthememesandrun1204 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Have you tried out the CCIP for guns? you have to enable it in Air Battle Settings > option/gyro_sight_deflection. It seems unfinished but I think they have the right idea with the implementation.

    • @biggie10101
      @biggie10101 ปีที่แล้ว

      CCIP = Constantly computed impact point.. stop using words you dont know in context with something you even know less about

    • @bloodthunder301
      @bloodthunder301 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The shit is glitchy I'm confused what it is supposed to do

    • @cloaker7237
      @cloaker7237 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Isn’t the CCIP for ground targets? It’s on a bunch of planes already. The Harrier and A-10 come to mind

    • @jordancourse5102
      @jordancourse5102 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      dont use the gyro sight thingy

    • @justsomemainer1384
      @justsomemainer1384 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@cloaker7237Many 4th Gen jets have CCIP for air to air engagement as well. With a radar lock you have ranging information so the computer can calculate lead.

  • @willsimpson3783
    @willsimpson3783 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Ah yes, the missle is a copy of itself. Thank you for this life changing information.

  • @Sebastian-yl7nq
    @Sebastian-yl7nq ปีที่แล้ว +15

    And people were making fun of when I was actually using proper arguments for why the Mig-29 should be added with the R-73s, as they were on the first Devserver.
    But nah, people just pulled out their stupid overused jokes a'la "Haha typical Russian Main" and "cry more"
    _God I love this community, has to be one of the most toxic communities out there._

    • @unfazedmc5734
      @unfazedmc5734 ปีที่แล้ว

      f

    • @sinxsideways5900
      @sinxsideways5900 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If they add r73s they would need to buff magic 2s unless they capped r73s at 35gs too. Magic 2s are the most modern missile in game and severely underperforming yet no one talks about it. Same with the 530D even tho its already rlly good is underperforming as well. Only Russia and US is talked about. Kinda of annoying tbh

    • @canaldopau7226
      @canaldopau7226 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sinxsideways5900 R73 were already nerfed when they first dropped on the devserver, r73 irl can pull 50gs and ingame it could pull 40, the problem was the flare resistance.

    • @sinxsideways5900
      @sinxsideways5900 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@canaldopau7226 magic 2s can pull just as hard and have even more flare resistance than r73s. Its the most modern missile in game yet they were gonna add the r73 as leaps and bounds better. All they did to make the magic 2 in game was give the magic 1 an all aspect seeker. Pretty dumb

  • @gitgood8509
    @gitgood8509 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well, let me be that guy that supposed to tell you about Gsh-6-30. Cannon itself doesn't use electric drive to spool barrels, it uses good old gas operating system, and initial spooling is done by the pneumatic system with a compressed air baloon. Considering this fact, spool time should be quite fast, and pre-spooling not required. And, well, Mig-29 only uses a single-barrel version of a 30-mm.

  • @Mark-ft7nw
    @Mark-ft7nw ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Those afterburner flames are so huge

  • @jacoproita9010
    @jacoproita9010 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The M61 in WT spools up, irl it does not

  • @n1thecaptain965
    @n1thecaptain965 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    While I mostly agree with your points about missiles, I do feel like some missiles should have a bit more flare resistance, because rn it feels like you only really need 1 or 2 flares per missile unless it's an AIM-9L, in which case you might need 3 or 4, so if an enemy sees you launch a missile, all they have to do is press the button and they live. They've made missiles so flare hungry that it becomes literally impossible to kill someone with an IR missile if they have flares and can afford to watch you constantly, for example if you're the last guys left or you're very isolated from the main furball.
    Don't get me wrong, I don't want missiles to be like the second dev server R-73, nowhere near that, hell no. Just maybe if R-60's would need 3 or 4 flares instead of 1 or 2, and AIM-9J's, G's and H's needed 4 or 5 so it wouldn't just be "I turn my afterburner off and press a button as soon as I see that red diamond, then I automatically survive".
    And even if this doesn't get implemented, at some point missiles are going to have to become more flare resistant, otherwise we'll be flaring AIM-9X's with 4 flares, and what's the point of having such an advanced missile if it barely performs better than what they used in 'Nam? (Slight exaggeration, I know, but still)

  • @poopstick924
    @poopstick924 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Wtf is wrong with gaijin. They make the r27 completely immune to flares and then update it once and now it's super hungry for flares. How hard is it to make something in the middle

    • @wickedjaws5400
      @wickedjaws5400 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Usa bias.
      Whole dev server, mig 29 was dominant. Us fanboys cried about it. R73 got removed. They still cried, so te r27 got nerfed to the point of unusability.
      But what with f16?
      Every nation, got upgraded f16 with sarh missiles. Best performing plane, with best missiles. Wowow, like we didnt have that in past.... ah yes. F14. Literally i forgot for 1 day. Now f16 claps everything, mig 29 is crying in the corner, and france/germany are thinking about taking the window instead of stairs to go shopping from their apartment at 7th floor.

    • @poopstick924
      @poopstick924 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Wicked Jaws nah bruh it's not that serious. The r27 needed to get nerfed. I'm just annoyed that they nerfed it too hard so it's basically just a longer range r24 now

    • @iamishin7675
      @iamishin7675 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@wickedjaws5400 While I agree, to be fair, the F-16 got ninja nerfed last second and now performs MUCH worse than the MiG-29 in terms of flight performance. Seems like pretty much everyone got hosed.

    • @khanhnguyen4514
      @khanhnguyen4514 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@iamishin7675 this update is like a clown now

    • @Roguecjb
      @Roguecjb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wickedjaws5400 RUSSIA SAFFERS
      IGNORE THE KA50/MIGMLD/T80BVM/EXTREMELY HIGH GROUND RB WIN RATE

  • @DarkLighting115
    @DarkLighting115 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Well with the nerfed r27t i cant wait for change the r60m for r73

    • @vladimirvojtaml
      @vladimirvojtaml ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's gonna happen soon because rn Mig-29 is just underwhelming. You get clubbed in BVR and short range dogfights R-60Ms are just farcical. One panic flare last second and they go for it. R-60s don't even proxy the enemy in this case.

    • @canaldopau7226
      @canaldopau7226 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@vladimirvojtaml Sometimes i think gaijin just fucks the vehicle so they can justify buffing it into the oblivion later

    • @DarkLighting115
      @DarkLighting115 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vladimirvojtaml They said that with how broken the R-27T were, they didn't need better missiles, that it was going to be a game of getting 2 kills 100% guaranteed by the characteristics of the R-27 and returning to base. But it is something that ALREADY HAPPENED with the MIG-23 (at least the MLD, and MLA), and it is something that I personally hated, and that the R-24 did not ensure a kill as the R-27 did in the DEV SERVER, now it turns out that the patch is out and they are only long-range R-60.

    • @vladimirvojtaml
      @vladimirvojtaml ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@DarkLighting115 they just made R-27Ts same like R-24s which mean they're redundant and also took aways the R-73s. They should've done either or. Not both so USA can keep on clubbing as they did for 4 patches.

  • @bigmcjones230
    @bigmcjones230 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    End of the video rant hit just right.

  • @cana0
    @cana0 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:25 the Aim7 F is basically a carbon copy of itself

  • @nevetz845
    @nevetz845 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:21 ah yes the good old "make this pencil disappear" move

  • @jarebare510
    @jarebare510 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The GSh-6-30 should not have a spool up time because it is not electronically spun, it is gas operated.
    What this means is that it will shoot immediately and fire faster over time until it’s at 6000rpm. This does not take much time.

    • @hubris6567
      @hubris6567 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Source? Passed to developers ignored for 3 years." - Gaijin, probably

    • @jarebare510
      @jarebare510 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hubris6567 lol
      Source - how the gun fucking works.

    • @squidwardo7074
      @squidwardo7074 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait does the mig 29 have a rotary gun like the vulcan? I thought IRL it had a single barreled revolver cannon

    • @jarebare510
      @jarebare510 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@squidwardo7074 yeah, it has a single barreled revolver cannon. GSh-30-1, the MiG 27 has the GSh-6-30 6 barreled rotary cannon.

    • @hubris6567
      @hubris6567 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jarebare510 i know, i was just meme-ing but unfortunately Gaijin will just ignore it. I mean Spookston posted documents about M1128 having 10 rounds per minute rate of fire from almost 3 years ago but still in game the M1128 have 7.5 seconds instead of 6 seconds. They just removed the cage finally at least.

  • @Areo-ui7wj
    @Areo-ui7wj ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you click on the people in the hangar you can throw snowballs at them or make them dance

  • @skilz2kil528
    @skilz2kil528 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Well first off - bloody called it perfectly. Nerfed r27t was inevitable and now the state of the game is unlikely to be much if any different than before the patch. I do hope they fix the code soon and we get to see the r73's as they where in 1st dev at least, without them the plane is probably going to feel extremely lackluster once everyone shifts up to 11.7 being a mig23 2.0. Probably going to be unlocking the mig this week to test myself but i hope r27's are at least on par with r24t's though wont get my hopes up especially from what I've been seeing today. Shame to see something get ruined by peer pressure because people see some shorts and get scared, when 90% of people actually voted for everything to be included but in a *balanced* manner.

    • @honzavasicek
      @honzavasicek ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With current F-16, it wont be a much problem, its a truck. With missiles, it pulls 8Gs max, usually 7G unless you fall below 700kph. Tomcat will be still better. 29 can compete, if they actually give it normal ACM mode and not that vertical crap and buff that radar a bit.

    • @skilz2kil528
      @skilz2kil528 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would absolutely love to see all missiles modeled as close as possible to rl standards within WT - but unfortunately as it stands rn, with cramped af maps - it is going to impossible to implement without everyone dying 3 mins into every match. We are going to need a few changes to high tier jets in order to accommodate these more modern missiles in a way that isn't going to be anything less than a laughable representation of what they should be. Hopefully we can see some action from gaijin on this front during the coming year and can have top tier continue to evolve. People will need to actually learn how to deal with new threats and will have the space in game to manage them appropriately - something i look forward to a lot.

    • @skilz2kil528
      @skilz2kil528 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@honzavasicek I will manage in it, and im sure many others too - unfortunately i doubt it will be the rule though. Even with a few of those changes you mentioned, its not really going to change the match dynamics. Flight performance only reaches so far in top tier as im sure you know - the ability to thin down the numbers and make an impact before the match gets to the final stages is what matters the most. As it stands right now soviet mid/close range armament could legitimately be argued as plain worse, or at most only even, and long range is definitely worse. While it's perfectly fine & historical the US teams have an advantage in long range missiles, it should also be the case that soviet's get their historical close range missile advantage within this BR. Now this should not be to the real life performance of the missiles rn, but balanced in game so that both teams have a 50% chance of winning on average. Thus, Nato kill more early game, and the remaining soviet aircraft can try to make up the difference in the close range engagements - a nice and balanced game dynamic that is probably not what we will be seeing everything staying relatively the same.

    • @WeebLord69
      @WeebLord69 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      İts because of crybaby content creators like defyn with clout cried so much.

    • @bigmemer4398
      @bigmemer4398 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Even with r-73 there wont be much difference. Russia still sucks at BVR while America is the most annoying BVR to be dealing with

  • @j.k6943
    @j.k6943 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'd love to see a J6K1 revisit, especially since it has been buffed recently

  • @notyushi4874
    @notyushi4874 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    America mains complained enough and now they have 2 f-16s

    • @gansior4744
      @gansior4744 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They always gonna get 2 F-16's. Not that it makes a difference

  • @stevenhannweg1644
    @stevenhannweg1644 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Defyn? Can u maybe make an explonation guide about radars, notching and chaff? Still struggle to get fucking radar missles off myselfe... Guess i cant be the only one.... my J8 gets eaten so often

    • @Texas_Engineer_Mike
      @Texas_Engineer_Mike ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tims Variety makes many good tutorials

    • @stevenhannweg1644
      @stevenhannweg1644 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Texas_Engineer_Mike checked them, not helpful at all

    • @bigoof1105
      @bigoof1105 ปีที่แล้ว

      J-8B radar is absolute doo-doo, you can only really lock on stuff that is at your altitude or higher, if there is a single tree in the background the radar just gives up. Aspides are pretty good but even the best fox 1 is gonna suck if the radar goes to sleep because there is dust in the way. Just stick to the PL-5B, heck just stick to the J-7E and grind the F16. J-8B currently is just an embarassment of a vehicle.

  • @henryatkinson1479
    @henryatkinson1479 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Any chance at a Yak-38 vid? Its still a brick but its now a brick with 4 R-60s at 9.3.

  • @LugborG
    @LugborG ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Out of curiosity, how many games do you usually play before you get the good ones you use for the video?

  • @bpmgaming3351
    @bpmgaming3351 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're absolutely right with altitude basically being equal to radar locks in top tier. The difference in playstyles I have when in my F-5C vs my F-5E is huge. In the E, I stay nice and low to the ground most of the time, but in the C I'll soar up to mid to high altitude so I can scope out players. Sure, sometimes I'll still get locked in the C, but it's usually easier to survive a radar missile in 10.3 than it is in 11.0, given top tier radars are harder to notch. It also seems like some of them really don't care about chaff. The E is also rough because I'm consistently the lowest br jet in the full uptiers. It absolutely shreds in downtiers tho.

  • @CsStrez
    @CsStrez ปีที่แล้ว

    @6:23 that explosion from the MiG-21 was so satisfying

  • @gitgood8509
    @gitgood8509 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh, and about that rant at the end - totally agree and support. Constantly breaking balance by adding new vehicles and powercreeping trough entire tech tree is just idiocy to say the least. No matter the nation, no matter the BR, it is just bad design and should be avoided at all costs.

    • @hubris6567
      @hubris6567 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's smart design. They keep people playing by making the game horrible balance wise so players keep grinding newer better vehicles.
      They also sell the shortcut on grinding.

    • @gitgood8509
      @gitgood8509 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hubris6567 it is smart as long as there is no competition, true. People can't just leave because there is nowhere to go for such experience. Bun it is like building a sand castle on a beach, as sone as a wave will come - it will go crashing down. That's why i really wish that some competitors for this type of gameplay will appear on the market. Massive leave of players will either force Gaijin to change, or pull a plug on a War Thunder.

    • @araknas3981
      @araknas3981 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gitgood8509 There won't be a competitor. Not only does Gaijin have a massive 10 year headstart and thousands of vehicles (already discouraging investment), the game they're making (military vehicle "sim" - in heavy quotation marks) is in an absolutely niche market and it's not worth investing. You can see the player numbers yourself in the hangar when you log in. Not even reaching 200 thousand concurrent players across the entire world.
      The best you can get is DCS and GHPC, neither of which are direct competitors.

    • @gitgood8509
      @gitgood8509 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@araknas3981 We all can hope and dream, aren't we? And 100k for a nieche product is a serious amout of people i'd say. Also, a lot of people left War Thunder because of the problems with balance and predatory monetisation, so that number might be quite bigger in theory.

  • @ATR-_
    @ATR-_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You’re literally the best WT player on TH-cam

  • @CryBite
    @CryBite ปีที่แล้ว +1

    weird my mig29s radar doesn't lock AT ALL
    I came up with a briliant idea of locking with IR and switching to PD but it didn't work then I saw it here so I tried it again the third time and it just doesn't work for me I instantly lose the plane I was tracking

  • @abdellahiehreimo3402
    @abdellahiehreimo3402 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We're not simping for particular nations!!.. I am just trying to have a working game!.. Well said.
    GSH 6 30MM is gas operated while Vulcan is not.

  • @No1harris_98
    @No1harris_98 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let’s go MiG-29 content by defyn already!

  • @ggggggghg499
    @ggggggghg499 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    R27T should be night unflareable and while insane in the dev server, R73 should have similar flare resistance to the 9L with R60 turning (and should be in game)

    • @vladimirvojtaml
      @vladimirvojtaml ปีที่แล้ว +10

      But then the USA mains wouldn't be clubbing so hard... And we can't have that can we.

  • @shatteredskull7221
    @shatteredskull7221 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    So basically is not the overpowered killing machine that the US mains were shitting themselves over

    • @WeebLord69
      @WeebLord69 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Cuz it got nerfed in every way because of morons and content creators crying about it. R60m at top tier is a joke , and r27 got nerfed.

    • @shatteredskull7221
      @shatteredskull7221 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@WeebLord69 knew it would happen, i just find so funny when they say "phoenix are easy to dodge and 7f to notch" as if they didn't have the best radars in game and also 6 of them missiles per aircraft

    • @squidwardo7074
      @squidwardo7074 ปีที่แล้ว

      it was on the dev server lol dumbasses like you know nothin

  • @Tehlongcat
    @Tehlongcat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pretty sure the MiG 29 has a Gsh 30-1 which is a single barrel, recoil-operated gun.

  • @wilsonlee4658
    @wilsonlee4658 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the new radar missile it got was insane tho. speed is insane for that thing that even if u fire later than the 7F u will still land it because the acceleration is so good. i got nailed by one in my ej kai when i fired at 10km and the mig29 fired about 2s later than me. we both reached each other at the same time and traded

  • @TheOneWayDown
    @TheOneWayDown ปีที่แล้ว

    For the longest time I was a US main wholeheartedly. I don't have any jets yet, mostly because I played almost entirely AB and you basically have to wipe the entire lobby to get the same RP as a 1-2 kill RB game and I never really cared to do so, but the moment they added the MiG 29 it was over. Russia is now my main tree because if they're bringing in 4th gen fighters, at some point they're gonna add Su-27s. Between the 21, 29, and the damn near promise of a Flanker being added, I can't not make Russia my main tree.

    • @nathanskupowski4726
      @nathanskupowski4726 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can’t wait for my f16 to get aim-120s and aim9Ms 😁 Then your Russian tree can go bye bye again

    • @TheOneWayDown
      @TheOneWayDown ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nathanskupowski4726 Lolwut F16 already has better missiles than the mig

    • @nathanskupowski4726
      @nathanskupowski4726 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheOneWayDown I know

  • @1Orderchaos
    @1Orderchaos ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "It'S NoT abOuT ThE PlaNe!"

  • @ZeroKey92
    @ZeroKey92 ปีที่แล้ว

    @DEFYN Did you ever think about having a post credit scene? Something like Warowl. With your humor and editing you could drop like a 3-7 sec clip at the end to leave everybody on a chuckle and maybe get more retention.

  • @Asghaad
    @Asghaad ปีที่แล้ว +1

    F4-E vs MiG-23M was the last time the game was in a state even resembling balance and it was FUN ... then they had to kill it with MLD because we simply cant have anything nice and the trainwreck just keeps going from there on ...

    • @notharry_141
      @notharry_141 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ironically enough if gaijin had taken the time to fix the R-73 that they broke on the second dev instead of outright removing it because they wanted to be lazy, then top tier would be decently balanced right now...

    • @Asghaad
      @Asghaad ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@notharry_141 no, all they need to do is to give R60M (and AiM9G and AiM9L) its historically accurate first gen IRCCM. there is ZERO need for 50g 40 degree offbore capable thrust vectoring missiles right now...

  • @Franseven
    @Franseven ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i think people are on two sides, one that pushes realism and one purely arcade balance like you, i feel like gaijin needs to come out with statements that tell us what are they looking at, cause they do mixed stuff aswell, we need a clear goal, cause adding 4th gen means op stuff, if you balance op stuff then whats the point of having more advanced stuff if they get nerfed to being basically old gen stuff?

    • @rainsilent
      @rainsilent ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm going to go on a limb and say that Defyn doesn't want arcade balance. I would describe Defyn as someone wanting fun realism.
      As for what Gaijin is looking at? Whatever they think will get more players to buy premium vehicles and for the past 3-4 years that has been pushing into more and more modern vehicles which means continuous power creep.

    • @Franseven
      @Franseven ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rainsilent they should have made the f-14b as a premium if they wanted to make money

    • @rainsilent
      @rainsilent ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Franseven That could be what happens in the future.

    • @samtajik9903
      @samtajik9903 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Franseven you will never get realism in a furball based gameplay. you want realism you can play dcs

    • @canaldopau7226
      @canaldopau7226 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@samtajik9903 I think a good solution for the current aircraft would be EC battles, with the name tags removed, what do you think?

  • @appa609
    @appa609 ปีที่แล้ว

    gatling guns should not have a spool up time. The firing mechanism is triggered by barrel alignment it shoots right away it's just slower until the rotation reaches full rate.

  • @Cylus024
    @Cylus024 ปีที่แล้ว

    The MiG-29 doesn't use a Gatling or Revolver cannon. It uses a 2 barrel system where the cannons cock each other after firing and therefor have no spool up at all.

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  ปีที่แล้ว

      The MIG29 sid in the dev server because it used the gsh30-6 with a lower rpm to stimulate this one
      I was asking about the mig27 because the Vulcan spools up if you turn it on before you start shooting

    • @Cylus024
      @Cylus024 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DEFYN Oh i didn't realize you kept talking about the MiG-27 and not the MiG-29. My bad.

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  ปีที่แล้ว

      No sweat :)

  • @JohnDoe-vs1bb
    @JohnDoe-vs1bb ปีที่แล้ว

    The motion blur on the antlers is killing me😂

  • @scottmcsherry3396
    @scottmcsherry3396 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Don't feel like getting teamkilled" feed at 11:50 shows defyn having TK'd an f14 and says nothing about it 😂

  • @TheLastApplePie
    @TheLastApplePie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're telling me R24T are much more flare resistant than 27T? wtf gaijin

    • @_lo8241
      @_lo8241 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This update actually nerfed the 24T’s flare rejection so it’s pretty similar actually, I don’t think defyn has used the new 24s

  • @callmecarlson58
    @callmecarlson58 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mig 29s best playstyle In my opinion is to low fly; sneaking with IR radar. Undedection is key; when a target is locked, briefly poke above the horizon to launch, and rapidly get back down before enemy radars can detect you.
    Maps with canyons, and mountains are the best for mig 29, you can utilise your stealth capabilities much more effectively.
    Ofc please take this with a grain of salt, (I don't actually own the plane yet) but from my knowledge and theory, this would be the most viable and effective strategy for the mig 29.
    Look forward to playing sometime :)
    A side note, since War Thunder has no AWACS in the skies this method of combat would suit plenty more aircraft for stealthy gameplay, but its still very situational.
    -Thanks. :)

  • @kylelemire6049
    @kylelemire6049 ปีที่แล้ว

    My personal favorite jet rn 😊

  • @hmshood9212
    @hmshood9212 ปีที่แล้ว +2

  • @loljk_vid
    @loljk_vid ปีที่แล้ว

    This man ranted so hard he started playing the 'wrap it up' music on himself. You know it is serious when that happens

  • @jameel3361
    @jameel3361 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:22 that gsh-30 literally demolished that mig21

  • @_Despair
    @_Despair ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Top tier needs to be 4x4 EC maps with a SL and RP multiplier increase.
    You can't effectively use the correct methods of evasion when there's literally 7 people slinging missiles at you.
    4x4 will make BVR engagements actually viable and fun too.

    • @joonlorenzon9696
      @joonlorenzon9696 ปีที่แล้ว

      basically a dcs mission with war thunder controls, I'd love it

  • @KozyrYouTube
    @KozyrYouTube ปีที่แล้ว

    tell me please Where i can find this sticker sword on red background??

  • @vitokhait9696
    @vitokhait9696 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The engine was nerfed too. So yeah, no miggas this patch

  • @sosobel5843
    @sosobel5843 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro I am seeing the last month powercreep getting bullied by this new thing, that scares me... 10.7 is going to be as the 9.7 suffer

  • @tennessee3156
    @tennessee3156 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    ECM is the solution 'v'

  • @goldenlolgnu246
    @goldenlolgnu246 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you guys think that there is going to be an german version of the mig 29 ?

  • @appa609
    @appa609 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can't be too slow to notch. Being slow makes notching easier. Notching is about minimizing radial velocity.

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you're too slow you can't turn to notch

  • @aleski6506
    @aleski6506 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:26, I think you meant aim7f?

  • @killerwabbit338
    @killerwabbit338 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is the term "notching"? I've heard it a few times.

    • @squidwardo7074
      @squidwardo7074 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Flying perpendicular to the aircraft because the way pulse doppler radar works is it using the doppler affect by the target moving closer/farther away (this is why early pulse doppler radars don't really work that well if you are flying at the same speed as the target) so if you move left or right to it it thinks you aren't moving at all so it assumes you are part of the background and loses the lock

  • @Shirikawolfeins
    @Shirikawolfeins ปีที่แล้ว

    I have qeustion, in description you said you take flares priority or flares only, Why? is that meaning that Chaff is realy indeed absolutely usseles?

    • @nercksrule
      @nercksrule ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chaff doesn't work against pulse doppler radar in War Thunder. And all of the aircraft that fire Fox-1s at top tier use pulse doppler.

  • @ZenX87363
    @ZenX87363 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please tell me how to get that decal on your left wing with the sword and wings

  • @leto2582
    @leto2582 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s sad that mig29 got nerfed hard because gaijin would not make money on premium jets as mig29 would dominate them 😂😂😂

    • @canaldopau7226
      @canaldopau7226 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If the mig29 winrate turns out to be really bad they will do something about it (like adding the r73 again but hopefully flareable).

    • @annguyenlehoang7779
      @annguyenlehoang7779 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@canaldopau7226 right now 80% people que for US faction :v good luck because we gonna see another F16 civil war

    • @canaldopau7226
      @canaldopau7226 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@annguyenlehoang7779 b a l a n c e d

    • @canaldopau7226
      @canaldopau7226 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@annguyenlehoang7779 Thank god i have both trees, i'll be using the f16 after the shitshow i've witnessed today lmao

  • @ligmaman9mm709
    @ligmaman9mm709 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Su57 when

    • @absboodoo
      @absboodoo ปีที่แล้ว +3

      At this rate? 2 years, 3 years top.

    • @aleski6506
      @aleski6506 ปีที่แล้ว

      Next tuesday

    • @ligmaman9mm709
      @ligmaman9mm709 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aleski6506 a they said Wednesday I think

  • @jacobdoolan4978
    @jacobdoolan4978 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:50 What did your F14 teammate do to deserve the tk lmaooo

  • @derekturner3272
    @derekturner3272 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wait for the Aim9x.... Can hit ground targets and be fired high off bore and still track hard. The games will be 30 seconds and based on who has the biggest wallet. For the sake of the game, it should be hard to get missile hits.

  • @Cryonic7
    @Cryonic7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been out turning it sim with the A6E lol

  • @EvonMush
    @EvonMush ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Time to suffer for the f 16!

  • @spartan-s013
    @spartan-s013 ปีที่แล้ว

    gayjin already made it combat uneffectif when they made F-14 with uneffectives flaires

  • @hebele3585
    @hebele3585 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do J6K1 next #14

  • @slay4karaka351
    @slay4karaka351 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to ask, while flying the Mig 29 have you ever run into a few matches where theres that one or 2 pilots who are up high with you and just tunnel vision onto you with radar missiles cause that's literally every match i play in the Mig 29 when I climb

    • @varunkaushik2834
      @varunkaushik2834 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's a new plane so they just might be curious.

    • @jonathanoriley8260
      @jonathanoriley8260 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Me in my F-14 at Angels 20 killing MiG-29s that climbed with my AIM-54s:
      *_"hehe phoenix tws data link go brrr"_*

    • @GamingCheeto
      @GamingCheeto ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Pov: pilots who don't know how to notch and don't carry chaff

    • @lamborgatti-4783
      @lamborgatti-4783 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jonathanoriley8260 shush the amount of people who know how to notch is absurb,almost everyone knows how to knotch then and the f5e is too good at dodging,we put a shit load of time and effort to getting these top teir jets,i think we all deserve for them to hit

    • @slay4karaka351
      @slay4karaka351 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GamingCheeto yes cause nothcing and chaffing missiles from a f-14 thats 5 miles and closing with majority of their Aim-7f's will work 100% of the time oh don't forget about the second guy a few miles behind him

  • @JayManty
    @JayManty ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the reliable engagement distance for the R-27 on the deck and higher up?

    • @jordancourse5102
      @jordancourse5102 ปีที่แล้ว

      For the R27T 8 KM max range in rear aspect. Front is 4.5KM ish.

  • @jordancourse5102
    @jordancourse5102 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I got the MiG 29, very good but it’s not OP. R27T’s max guaranteed hit range is 8 KM, you can flare it but you need to cut below 80% thr that tends to work for me, the radar seems a bit gimpy but radars across the board were reworked. This plane g locks like crazy so expert crew it as soon as you grind it…r60m’s definitely feel like they’ve been buffed. This thing is hella fun in sim (air rb is a pure shit show rn and can’t be asked to put up with the bullshit mixed MM). It drinks fuel like a fish so use the burner with caution. The fuel bag run dry in bout a solid 2 mins.
    Overall: great aircraft, not overpowered, doesn’t pull AOA as much as it would seem, missiles are balanced(r73 with needed IRCCM) would’ve been good.
    P.S the radar is gimped, its still a placeholder apparently its a bu report out for it.

  • @gansior4744
    @gansior4744 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Waiting for people to realise how bad MiG's radar really is

  • @gandora0738
    @gandora0738 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quick question: which is better on the F-14 the aim 7e2 or the aim 7f?

  • @Supershade9421
    @Supershade9421 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video was hard to watch. Why are mig 21's and f5's facing these threats? FFS the F5 is an 11.0 and it's facing their 6. At this point, I don't even want to play anything higher than Korean war era.

  • @nothisismine
    @nothisismine ปีที่แล้ว

    Doesn’t it have hmd?

  • @brunobautista6316
    @brunobautista6316 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:40
    Hit the brakes... they'll flight past by

    • @jackriley3340
      @jackriley3340 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      so much lost energy for any remaining engagements tho, idk what the flight performance of f16 and mig29 are compared to real life, could probs accelerate out of air brake easily but i know their top speeds are severly capped compared to rl idk about acceleration

    • @100hobbes
      @100hobbes ปีที่แล้ว

      bruh moment

  • @zimot
    @zimot ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is that only me thinking that MiG-29 gonna be barely useful in sim battles against F-14s and F-16s?

    • @annguyenlehoang7779
      @annguyenlehoang7779 ปีที่แล้ว

      No its trash . super trash . just grab the F16 and 14 for better win rate

  • @saltysteel3996
    @saltysteel3996 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No one talking about the AIM-9L nerf. They go for flares 98% of the time now.

    • @WeebLord69
      @WeebLord69 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They don't

    • @alphawolf1786
      @alphawolf1786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WeebLord69 they do it was nerf this patch

  • @tyruido1175
    @tyruido1175 ปีที่แล้ว

    What does vertical targeting do?

    • @tagg218
      @tagg218 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      By default your guns are only adjusted horizontally to converge at whatever range you set them at. Vertical targeting adjusts them vertically too so they converge directly in front of your plane instead of slightly below it. It's useful when you're flying level, but if you're sideways or upsidedown or angled up or down too much it will really mess up where your aim is at. Usually it's recommended to leave it off so the adjust for drop is consistent at every orientation

  • @n0sferatu
    @n0sferatu ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo you should really try it out again now that it's got the R-27ER. It's incredible!

  • @-highlyne-8679
    @-highlyne-8679 ปีที่แล้ว

    The flight performance makes it more fun to fly, and pretty much nothing else. I think they managed to pull off the update without it being too broken or op besides the fact that the br compression is horrible. It just sucks that the mig-29 is virtually the same play style as the MLD, I didn't see one shot this whole video with the r27-t's that the 24-t couldn't already hit reliably. At least the f-16 gives a newer feel to an already fun play style from the f-5 aside from the fact that it's fly-by-wire cripples the plane at higher speeds.

  • @haruka0002
    @haruka0002 ปีที่แล้ว

    BTR-ZD 5.3 is op ngl

  • @bakunincervantes4372
    @bakunincervantes4372 ปีที่แล้ว

    wait what is there a pattern...? =)

  • @Matt-tf1wz
    @Matt-tf1wz ปีที่แล้ว

    People are always gunna bitch about something!

  • @yeetology8205
    @yeetology8205 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i can't wait for another Defyn vid where he roasts the shit ouf of France 💀

    • @annguyenlehoang7779
      @annguyenlehoang7779 ปีที่แล้ว

      its properly be like : yay US is awesome and all other nation is dog shit

  • @baumlord439
    @baumlord439 ปีที่แล้ว

    for me im spading the mig rn and i completely lost my shit doing so

    • @bigmemer4398
      @bigmemer4398 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're not the only one

    • @MyJewLives
      @MyJewLives ปีที่แล้ว

      Sameeee. They posted on dev forum that they are looking into fixing the 29s radar and missiles

  • @yesyes-om1po
    @yesyes-om1po ปีที่แล้ว

    defyn fly b29

  • @farmcat9873
    @farmcat9873 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those explosions look pretty nice of all them other players you killed in game Just complain about everything alot of other people already do 😉

  • @NguyenMinh-mp2jx
    @NguyenMinh-mp2jx ปีที่แล้ว

    Gsh-30 on the MiG-29, Su-27 and many other 4th gen Russian fighters doesn't have spool time at all.

    • @DEFYN
      @DEFYN  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why i am talking about the gsh30-6 on the mig27

  • @MD-wn4ui
    @MD-wn4ui ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How would you rate the balance of the 29 vs the 16 Defyn?

    • @nico8273
      @nico8273 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only 2 r60s stock? thats painful

    • @MD-wn4ui
      @MD-wn4ui ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nico8273 stock grind is always pain

    • @Buttlicker-xd6ct
      @Buttlicker-xd6ct ปีที่แล้ว +7

      F16 is op

    • @WeebLord69
      @WeebLord69 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      F16 unfortunately shits on mig-29 because they removed the good missile and nerfed the r27

    • @derkaiser9881
      @derkaiser9881 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      F-16 absolutely bodies the MiG-29 right now.