All Sith Eras Explained | Star Wars Legends Explained
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- From Darth Bane's Rule of Two, to the Brotherhood of Darkness and beyond, we look at every era in Sith in today's Star Wars Legends video.
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You got the hundred year darkness event wrong at the end of those hundred years the dark jedi were exiled n landed on Korriban then became dark lords of the Sith n learned dark side teachings there never attacking the republic or jedi directly it was their descendents that did centuries later
“Rule of 1.5” lmao
Hilariously pretty accurate.
It's going to be a sith Lord and a post naboo Darth maul .
I perfer the rule of 1.25
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@@dank9349 7 7 7
This stuff would be even more cool if Disney hadn't thrown most of it out the Windu
The Humanity OMG. Lmfao 😂😂🤣🤣
Honestly I’m 50/50 on Legends
They have to make it kid friendly. Probably in the future even the deaths of random mobs such as the nameless clone will become rare to the point that even siths are just slightly pouty 5 year old bullies
Well, the idea is that unless they directly contradict what is shown in old lore, you can still personally see it as canon. Most of this video, for instance, could still be canon.
Hmmm yes I see what you did there
Fifty views, fifty likes. Damn right.
Great video and thanks for explaining it in an awesome way and it is cool.
Perfect timing, just finished SWTOR sith warrior campaign.
I found you so long ago but didn't have a channel and I finally found it again
i wish they would adapt all this in live action
Rule of 2,000. -Dark brotherhood
How did they made such lame and completely dull films (Im talking 7-8) with such an intersting EU...
The movies are more interesting if you actually watch the movies.
I firmly believe Revan would have spit roasted Sidious if they were around in the same era...
People often write about how the old Sith were causing their own destruction by infighting, but then conveniently ignore that the Rule of Two is infighting pushed to the absolute maximum.
Bane bases his rule mostly on his philosophy that there is a quantative limit to the dark side, a philosophy that has little to no supporting evidence and in fact the opposite seems to be much more likely, that darkness breeds even more darkness, as seen by the highly diverse and powerful force users in the older Sith Orders. Combined with all the other flaws that the Rule of Two has, it makes it in my opinion the worst possible incarnation of the Sith. They had some success in the short term, but failed to deal a finishing blow to the Jedi and ended up going extinct not long after supposedly winning.
The most effective model of the Sith Order is in my opinion the Dark Council model of SWTOR, where there are multiple
powerful Darths controlling a sphere of influence that they are an expert of. That model does still have some flaws, specifically the existence of Vitiate (the Sith would make a pretty good technocracy) and of the Kaggath, but there would be very little complete loss of knowledge with such high organization and the infighting is kept in check by equally powerful Lords and Darths. Unless you're smart about it, just casually killing your rivals will see you punished by the other members of the order, as seen with Zash and Skotia. This promotes intelligence and subterfuge and is a fantastic way to keep skills sharp
and weed out dumb brutes.Killing your master is also not really a requirement to graduate to a higher rank, even if it often happens anyway.There is a constant influx of new acolytes, making the complete extinction of the Order almost impossible and it allows for nurture and diversification of individual talent, not just the one that is necessary for Bane's "grand plan".
Feel free to answer with counter arguments, I'd love to discuss this even more. I'm also posting this below several
other videos about the Rule of Two, so more people can read this.
I like this idea, but infighting will still happen because they are sith and that aggressiveness is the source of their power. When one house or group falls to infighting, the other leaders coming in to finish them off essentially starts more infighting. This method kills off all the people who are aggressive and more sith like and promotes less aggressive sith. Besides, even a powerful sith with his own army will take heavy tolls against an entire army of “weak” sith, which that conflict will weaken the sith overall once again. The rule of two wasn’t to stop infighting, but to make sure the infighting always lead to higher quality sith. The rule of two doesn’t mean there won’t be any more than 2 dark side, just only two powerful darth’s. Sidious and Vader had their inquisitors which they kept weak and didn’t give them any significant dark side knowledge so they could never rise against them. If the sith let more than two sith acquire power, a bunch of sith banding together killing the master will weaken the sith as a whole again and infighting wouldn’t stop there. Sidious kinda dropped the ball and actively kept Vader weak when he saw the opportunity to reign supreme forever. If sidious let Vader grow powerful, who’s to say Vader would lose to luke if not convert him. Besides, the reason luke didn’t strike the emperor in anger and the reason darth Vader saved luke from palpatine was a familial tie that palpatine didn’t stamp out when converting Vader. It wasn’t really the rule of two’s fault the empire failed, but despite that, it was pretty successful.
@@stephenlee7405 Preventing weak Sith from banding together was a nice idea by Bane, but his solution ended up being the worst one, in my opinion. The apprentice only has to somehow kill a single person to become the Master, instead of politically dealing with multiple Sith of roughly equal strength to enjoy the privileges of their position.
The Apprentice will very often use every single opportunity to kill off their Master, even if they haven't even learned half of what their Master has to offer. They will train their own secret apprentices (and call them assassins), so they improve their chances against their Master, which is essentially what you're arguing was prevented by the Rule of Two.
Additionally, any unforeseen accident could eradicate centuries of knowledge.
The Master could be shot down while in Space, like whenever Palpatine uses his Shuttle to travel anywhere, I always think, "I wonder what he'd do if some warship or battery just opened fire right now." As Force Storms are an invention of third party novels, there isn't really anything he could to do if his opponent just straight up blasted him to hell.
There was also the time in the comics when he and Vader were stranded on Ryloth, where even if they are guaranteed to always survive the crash because of the Force, they could have just died of thirst if they don't find civilization in time or the revels manage to deny them any access to water. Or Vader, if he was a regular Sith Apprentice, would probably have just used the opportunity to try and kill Sidious, even if he failed. The end result could have been both of them dead and only Inquisitors left to rebuild the order.
Other "accidents" like cave ins are also taken advantage of by Apprentices, also when the teaching usually isn't fully complete, yet.
Also if the Master was too strong or lucky and successfully killed all his of Apprentices, then at some point he might just die of old age before having a strong enough successor, who would now also be lacking a majority of knowledge that was acquired over the lifetimes of Sith, once again drastically weakening the order as a whole.
Bane's idea was that the Master would teach everything they know to one apprentice, who at that point would kill their Master with their knowledge and power over the Force, basically like Zannah did with him. Sadly, it it basically impossible to maintain a system like that for very long, because individual greed and trickery are a natural part of Dark Side users.
That's why I believe the idea of a true Dark Council model is a far better model, even better if there is no Emperor/Empress at the top. The council promotes specialized talent to lead that sector of the government, so even if their political skills are abysmal, at least they are forced to know what the policies they make are even about.
If a councilor eventually still desired to become an Emperor, then the others would keep them in check, while at the same time not eradicating the knowledge of the entire Sphere, if it came to that. Similarly skilled successors were plently avaiable throughout the hierarchy. Eliminating one individual who wished to rule supreme would not set the order back by decades or centuries, so it wouldn't really weaken the Sith as a whole.
There's isn't really any need to quickly kill of your Master, if you can still advance in rank through other ways. Darth Baras somehow became a Darth, while his own Master Darth Vengean was a member of the council, so just competence seemed to be enough to be promoted.
There was little point to banding together in groups, if your goal was to kill your Master to get promoted. Alliances would obviously still be made, but they would be smaller and also a lot less obvious about what they desire to achieve.
At least as long as there is no Emperor to serve as a target for such an alliance,.
Constantly sabotaging your Master might even be bad for the Apprentice in the long run, because the other Sith might view them as the student of someone incompetent, at least before you have already climbed the ranks.
And as long as the infighting doesn't escalate to using entire power bases against each other (Kaggath), then it is actually a good thing to happen, because that way the Sith will never get complacent during Peace time, while at the same time not risking complete extinction, because there will always be enough Sith somewhere in the Galaxy to rebuild the Order in just a few decades if true misfortune occurs.
@@MegaRogash This just sounds like a bad jedi order tbh, 1 sith assassin is hardly stretching the rule of two, especially since the apprentice would only have 1 assassin at a time to become their own apprentice since the apprentice would also be believing in the rule of two. Sidious would have a much easier time dealing with, say, maul and savage, than with an army of 100 sith. The dark order sounds like a watered down/weak willed or less violent sith empire and doesnt promote improvement nearly as much as the rule of two. Also, the rule of two is to maximize dark side qualities, as in both subterfuge and aggressiveness. In your council, you absolutely have to limit ur violence and eventually churns out a jedi order but with none of the light side benefits while inhibiting dark side benefits.
@@stephenlee7405 The assassins during canon era are strong enough to be considered as at least half a Sith, which could already give the Apprentice a decisive edge when plotting to kill the Master. It's exactly the type of weakness promoting situation Bane was afraid of, because it's less like building up the tower that represents the cumulative power of the Sith order on existing foundation but rather always cutting of the peak using a ladder to reach the top just a bit faster.
The Apprentice should only take their own student after becoming the Master themselves.
You claim the Dark council is watered down and inhibiting, but it had in fact the greatest freedom and diversity of skills, abilities and careers, because the Sith weren't bound to solely complete a single plot to destroy the Jed but instead could follow whatever path they were best suited to. Archeology, Strategy, Biotic Science, Diplomacy, Intelligence, Logistics, Laws and Justice and some more, basically every skill had some use to them. They were actually governing instead of just trying to grasp for power and then failing to hold it. Sith alchemy and sorcery were rigorously studied, and not just the aspects that might be useful for espionage like scrying, but all aspects, just because it was possible. And because they were acting out in the open without the need to hide, they were not restrained by having to maintain their public images but could fully unleash all their desires and ideas without having to hold back. You're projecting the flaws of the Rule of Two onto a system that is the exact opposite of that.
Just like with Palpatine, having to engage in politics is one of the best ways to train subterfuge, but unlike Palpatine, the Sith of this era had to deal with equally ruthless and ambitious colleagues. Sidious had it pretty easy, because all his rivals and enemies were basically saints in comparison to him and were therefore much easier to fool.
As for the comparison to the Jedi order, I have recently come to the conclusion, that it would ironically work out much better for both orders, if they swapped their types of governance. The Sith would function at peak power and influence within a Republic or technocratic oligarchy, while the Jedi would actually be best served with a "selfless" autocracy or monarchy.
@@MegaRogash darths are top tier sith, “half a sith” isn’t particularly worrisome. U forget, darth maul can easily match the upper echelons of the Jedi council and yet he and savage got washed by palpatine with no problem, even as a quote “darth”. This power was the result of the rule of two build up. U constantly are bringing up the most ideal circumstance of, “the sith can study whatever they want” as if this council was the reason they would do that. The sith are powered by hate, this new system will weaken the sith while making them a huge enough target for the Jedi to rally against. The Jedi won’t sit still if this sith system even worked, which I doubt it’ll hold. Especially since we saw how quick the Jedi were to fight in the clone wars to defend a corrupt republic. An existence of a sith empire would just jumpstart the Jedi into full throttle war time. The rule of two maximized sith power while making sure the Jedi never knew of their existence. It also literally worked vs other sith methods. The problem was Vader was being held back by palpatine, which meant palpatine was not following the rule of two, and darth Vader wasn’t a full send bad guy since he still had anakin, a Jedi, still alive in him as well as Luke still running around. If Vader had no familial ties or was full blown sith, he would’ve killed luke like 3 times over, converted him successfully, or not save him when palpatine was killing luke. After luke is dead, leia would have to step up I suppose but I’m not sure how’d she do better than luke if there wasn’t anakin to exploit. Then empire runs on for a whole lot longer till like the yuuzhong vong or whatever(don’t know too too much about legends).
Does he realized he showed two pictures of Marka Ragnos?
"If the force demands balance then evil can never die" thats dark. I like it
I never heard something so wise and deep today.
vitor kennedy Not only is it deep and dark. No matter how much we dont want to realise it, where there is good there must be bad. Thats just how the universe works.
Roberto Barra yeah
Roberto Barra No thats not now how the universe works. The universe doesn't see good or bad it just sees actions. It literally would not matter if we were completely good or completely bad the universe would not care.
@@metoo3342 Good and Bad are subjective terms. What is good for the Goose may not be good for the Gander. Amongst these competing morals we see an obvious set of basic biological standards that one could call "Base Morality." From which all morality forms. Take any evil ideology and one can generally find a train of thought that all humans tend to follow.
Your voice matches your content perfectly. Love your stuff.
Mark Spurrell you're right. I keep trying to replace it with Petey from Petey's play house and it just doesn't seem the same...oh well.
Ya'll are some weird ass people.
@@isaacfigueroa7765 I bet you smell like raspberrys
@Negan Thank you, I'm sure you're still smelling like Abraham Brain 😁
Yes
Bane: The apprentice must be stronger than the master.
Palpatine: Kills just master in his sleep.
Wiell Nyan In the book Plagueis is actually awake. It kinda turns into a stare down as Plagueis dares Sidious to kill him because he believes he’ll survive and become more powerful.
Sidious did kill plagueis in his sleep but feared that his master would have already unlocked the secrets of immortality which is the reason why he always was on guard after killing his master.
Well that and the fact Sidious never truly knew everything Plagueis did
The ending was the worst part of Plagueis. Zannah's victory was far more satisfying.
@@Evergreen0021 Nah. Zannah's victory was a biiiig cliffhanger thanks to that line where Zannah's hand was shaking just like Bane's hand before. It was never clear who was the winner in the book so I can't say it's better than Plagueis.
Why do the ancient Sith have cool designs and in the movies and cartoons the only Sith who look threatening are Maul and Vader yet all the KOTOR Sith all appear more evil and cool.
Cause some retarded Executive Producer is standing around saying "think of the kids" when kids shouldn't be watching fucking star wars.
It mostly had to do with stagnation of technology and the constant loss of history and remedies of design and culture of the Sith.
+Salazar Ravenclaw
Lol, tell that to George Lucas, who said Star Wars was made for kids.
Because you don't have to look powerful or menacing to actually be powerful or menacing.
There has only been four sith shown in film and 2 out 4 looked menacing. You could argue Palpatine looks pretty menacing too after his fight with Windu. Dooku's look matches the character. Id say theyve done a good job with the designs.
The Siths history has always been quite fascinating to me. And I love how they have quite a long one too. My favorite Era would have to be during The Old Republic, it is quite an awesome one! :)
True. Even EA recognized how good it could be, and harnessed only a part of its potential
Well, the Sith are the antithesis of the Jedi, they both make up the core of the original Star Wars Trilogy as well as the prequel series. They had to have a history at least as interesting, or more in this case, than the Jedi.
Robert Nelson I agree! :)
Luke Skywalker the 2nd bow to the emperor's wrath!
Me: so I have a license to kill people now? NOICE!
Yeah; the Old Republic is way better. I love the ancient Sith.
Kotor is Love,
Kotor Is life
Star Chaser great words of wisdom. If only Disney followed them.
YES THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW KOTOR GAME! AND I'M SO MAD THAT THEY MAKE HK47 SEEM SO BAD ASS IN THE DIALOGS AND THEN. HE JUST LIKE HAI HOW YA DOING I'M REALLY BAD
We're getting a destiny-Like star wars game (Multilayer)
Star Chaser swtor had so much potential and it kinda just stagnanted
Star Chaser FACTS
Old Republic era is the best sith era,nuff said!
Darth Vader amen to that if that made a movie on the old republic it would be absolutely jaw dropping
They*
@@KrZuh8 But it would extremely difficult to do. I mean you try explaining the difference between Darth Malak and Darth Malgus. They're both big, pale, bald sith dudes based off of Darth Vader. You know that'll get confusing.
I am mostly joking, I think it could work. However, it's worth noting that many fans of Star Wars only watch the movies and stay away from the EU. Think back to the Prequels, more than it's acting or pacing, its ideas conflicted with how many viewed those events before the movies came out. The same could happen with KOTOR. For example, i know many fans who prefer the Rule of Two and will only accept the Rule of Two, so making a movie that involves hundreds of sith acolytes will build some controversy.
@live life You're assuming Lucas would even give a crap about the Old Republic, and as shown with the prequels, not everyone cares about Lucas's take on Star Wars after the Original Trilogy.
@live life I don't know, I feel the Prequels both sparked imagination and took it away. It gave answers to a lot of things people didn't want answers to. And I'm sure anyone not living under a rock knows the Prequels were devicive. That's what I see from the Sequels. It's not giving the future everyone had envisioned, but the ones who grow up with it will add it to the rest abd love it like a Prequel fan.
“The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.” - Darth Sidious
Best quote from any sith.
"Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; Tell me of your greatest fear so I will know which I must force you to face. Tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you... and tell me what you crave so that I might deny you.."
- Hear you now the words of Darth Plagueis the wise.
A bit wordy, but SERIOUSLY bad ass..!
This aged well
"death of palpatine's spirit"
Episode 9: I think not
The sequels aren't canon, easy fix
The Operator betters the franchise as well
Episode 9: I don't think
@@theoperator5503 love it or hate itc they're cannon. Your opinion (sadly) can't change it
@@TheFuriousBean Precisely. You don't get to decide Canon.
In retrospect, Bane's rule of two effectively signaled the downfall of the order.
This. Bane traded a thousand years of obscurity and struggle for what, 20 years of supremacy? 30? Only for it to all go tits up because one Sith had a change of heart and threw his master down a reactor shaft.
Even if the individual Sith of the rule of two were more powerful (which is VERY debatable) the order itself only really thrived for a ridiculously brief period, while earlier Sith orders managed to retain power for several decades if not centuries. Bane was one of the worst things to happen to the Sith and if not for Palpatine, they probably wouldn't have amounted to anything at all.
@@dominict9325 the rule of two was only created for the siths survival. Darth Bane created the rule of two based on Darth Revans holocran. However revans life gives us a clue on why the rule of two wouldn’t work. In the new sith wars (hate that name btw) the problem was multiple apprentices would work together to kill the master which ion know why the have so many apprenticeship in the first place. If Bane had combined the rule of two with the sith empire that would have made discovery much easier. Also multiple sith will receive ancient knowledge and add their own research or experience with the dark side. Which if that’s the case this system will surpass its predecessor. So basically there is only one master and one apprentice but there can be as many duo’s as you want. Infighting is still there but it gives new users positions of power which satisfy everyone. Leading to less infighting. The rule is once you either kill your master or rank up to a Sith Lord then you can have one apprentice unless you die or the apprentice ranks up. (But that’s just how I’d do it if I was in Darth Banes situation).
@@dominict9325 Hard disagree. The Sith by Bane's time were essentially wiped out. Bane realized that while galatic conquest may eventually be a goal of the Sith, for now it was about survival. The Rule of Two ensured that there would always be at least 1 Sith around, so they would never be truly gone. This also forced the Sith to rethink how they would gain power and control. They would have to be more cunning, be forced to work behind the scenes and use intrigue, diplomacy, social skills, ect. You know. The things that build successful civilizations.
Like it or not, an empire built by people who are fighting each other more than the enemy, corrupted by the literal cosmic energy of evil, and who are also zealots of a religion that idolizes suffering, subjugation, betrayal, hatred and endless thirst for power that will never be satisfied doesn't make for a very stable civilization. Their new ideology made them focus more on influence than outright control, and it was incredibly successful, with literally every single named Sith Lord after the Rule of Two was implemented being some of the most influential figures in the galaxy. Darth Plaugius was chairman of the banking clan. Darth Tenebrous was one of the most successful star-ship designers of all time. Darth Vecticus owned a massive mining colony. The list goes on.
Yes, the Sith's goal of ultimate power and control would be harder to obtain without being able to just slaughter and/or enslave anyone who opposed them, but it would guarantee their order would continue on essentially forever, and once they did manage to gain total control, it would be a much more stable grasp. Bane's Rule of Two almost single-handedly saved the Sith from total extinction and gave them a much better system overall. Your "20-30 years of supremacy" is only taking into account Palpatine's time as the mf EMPEROR OF THE WHOLE GALAXY. Not the decades prior he had of political control, massive amounts of wealth and influence, and oh yeah, that time he set up an entire fake war between his order's millenia old enemy and rebel group, both of which he was in control of the entire time, with him ending up the winner no matter who won. And this is petty much the story for every Sith since the time of Darth Bane. Maybe not the level of galatic emperor, but highly powerful figures in their own right.
Hard disagree. The Sith by Bane's time were essentially wiped out. Bane realized that while galatic conquest may eventually be a goal of the Sith, for now it was about survival. The Rule of Two ensured that there would always be at least 1 Sith around, so they would never be truly gone. This also forced the Sith to rethink how they would gain power and control. They would have to be more cunning, be forced to work behind the scenes and use intrigue, diplomacy, social skills, ect. You know. The things that build successful civilizations.
Like it or not, an empire built by people who are fighting each other more than the enemy, corrupted by the literal cosmic energy of evil, and who are also zealots of a religion that idolizes suffering, subjugation, betrayal, hatred and endless thirst for power that will never be satisfied doesn't make for a very stable civilization. Their new ideology made them focus more on influence than outright control, and it was incredibly successful, with literally every single named Sith Lord after the Rule of Two was implemented being some of the most influential figures in the galaxy. Darth Plaugius was chairman of the banking clan. Darth Tenebrous was one of the most successful star-ship designers of all time. Darth Vecticus owned a massive mining colony. The list goes on.
Yes, the Sith's goal of ultimate power and control would be harder to obtain without being able to just slaughter and/or enslave anyone who opposed them, but it would guarantee their order would continue on essentially forever, and once they did manage to gain total control, it would be a much more stable grasp. Bane's Rule of Two almost single-handedly saved the Sith from total extinction and gave them a much better system overall. Your "20-30 years of supremacy" is only taking into account Palpatine's time as the mf EMPEROR OF THE WHOLE GALAXY. Not the decades prior he had of political control, massive amounts of wealth and influence, and oh yeah, that time he set up an entire fake war between his order's millenia old enemy and rebel group, both of which he was in control of the entire time, with him ending up the winner no matter who won. And this is petty much the story for every Sith since the time of Darth Bane. Maybe not the level of galatic emperor, but highly powerful figures in their own right.
@@lil_halfrican_boi2124 I hear you, good points but I defer to Darth Traya who was the Master of 2 great sith. "Compared to the Sith of old, we are merely children playing with toys.". Plus with all the canon material, there has been more than 2 sith almost consistently through the years. Even during Palpatine's time. Maul survived when Dooku was his apprentice. When Vader was his apprentice Starkiller was Vaders apprentice and so on and so on. I know you'll probably respond with saying they weren't true sith at the time but they were dark side users using sith force powers.
I just think the ancient sith were more powerful because they had many more challengers than just one apprentice. The 'OG sith had to deal with their apprentice and all the other sites out for their necks. Seems the line after Bane had it a lot easier.
Bane: the strongest will survive, and carry on the legacy of the dark side. Death is a privilege.
Also bane: *stabs all rivals in the back in their sleep*
Firstly, Bane would consider deception, stealth, and alertness forms of strength so anyone stabbed in the back is weak. Secondly, Bane’s only kills on fellow Sith were killing a student in a duel, killing a student in a fight that erupted after he was ambushed, killing his teacher with a force push as he lost a duel, and tricking Kaan into nuking the rest of the Sith which certainly proves their weakness given that they were unambitious and foolish enough to follow him.
@@chuckles3116 Spitting hard facts
The rule of two never really made sense. Darth Bane failed to see the real weakness of the sith. The number of sith wasn't the problem it was their philosophy. It's their self destructive and power hungry nature which led them to destruction.
The rule of two, to work, needs the sith to be selfless while asking them to remain selfish in order to become stronger. Realistically with such philosophy, never any master was going to let his aprentice overthrew him. And I can't name any sith of the rule of two who overpowered his master. Each time the master died was either out of pure luck or cheat.
Bane tried to "save" the sith but didn't want them to really change. Unlike him, Vitiate knew the sith were doomed and left them to create something new. The One sith was arguably the best one, but the nature of the sith overall remained...
Tobirama-sensei 100 percent correct, rule of two was always fucking stupid, sith are to selfish to keep their power
Tobirama-sensei true and the Jedi are almost as bad. they're hypocritical, narrow minded, and shun what makes them human. And grey Jedi are even worse. They see the problems of the order but do not change it they just run away from it.
Agreed, Bane was a fucking moron.
@@tntsummers926 "shun what makes them human" such a phrase come from a person who'd be drawn to the dark side/ Stupid adolcscent star wars fans, they fail to ever understand the deep allogeric themes of star wars.
@@user-dn3fn3bg4l Lucas said the Jedi were the good guys, who had nothing wrong with them what so ever. star wars has very deep allogeric themes, at the very least just kotor II's kreia.
Where there is good, there must be evil.
Where there is Light, there must be Dark.
Where there is Order, there must be Chaos.
For in the Force both reside, for in the Force I reside.
I am Gray, the balance between the Light and the Dark.
bullshit
Hogwash
All these replies are heresy! Force Lightning their corpses and then resurrect them!
Balance = peace
Balance does NOT = good and evil constantly fighting it out!
'without the Jedi there can be no balance' - Lor San Tekka
#whyKreiaiswrong
Kenneth Kates the grey you cowering self serving, hypocritical bastards. You run from the order, which you see problems in. But instead of fixing it hide away from it. slowly eroding away to nothing. You see the problems of both the jedi. and sith and yet you run from them, instead of helping or fixing them. You don't abandon the force, when you see the problems it causes. But instead you use it to help no one but yourself. You hide in exile when the whole galaxy needs you. You don't ever help, all you do is loath, and loath is all you'll ever do. You are contempt to let it burn, to ash, cinder, and nothing. let the whole galaxy, and it's people burn, from the fire of war. You can't choose light or dark, rather you hide away, perching the grey and it's "magnificence and holy glory.". You should try to fix the order, but instead you exile yourself. You sicken me to the core.
“Some were more equal than others”
**squeals in orwellian**
"He would later die without an heir, seemingly spelling an end for the Sith."
The Sith will never die. The Sith are born out of a realisation. We require no creed. No indoctrination. All we need is that the galaxy be as it is.
"Its over anakin, I have the high ground!"
That’s what haytham says to Connor in AC 3 about the Templar’s. Almost same wording as well just switched around.
@@caydenshort254 yes
ac3?
Let me do some tweak on the speech
“Even when your kind triumph, still we rise again. Do you know why? The Dark Side/Sith is born out of darkness of every beings in the galaxy. We require no creed, no indoctrination from arrogant old masters. All we need is let the Jedi Order to be as it is. This is why the Dark Side/Sith will never be destroyed.
Lemme rant. I know George Lucas said Star Wars was made for kids, (which i don’t agree with) but I swear if they made an Old Republic trilogy, just ONE trilogy, that was extremely dark, maybe even rated R, my life would honestly be complete. To see the mercilessness and just how badass the old Sith were on screen, my god that would be perfect. I mean Disney owns Fox, and they are making Deadpool 2 which is rated R, so I really hope it isn’t too far fetched. And it doesn’t even have to be rated R tho! Just one trilogy that isn’t full of annoying unnecessary jokes and not full of “good guys win cuz good better than bad yay” like a trilogy that is dark would be so noice
So you want the franchise to go against its original intention? Good luck with that.
It's not something you can disagree with. It's fact. It's like saying Obama was never President, he was. Star Wars was made for kids, but that doesn't mean it has to be entirely enjoyed by them.
@Gorgonite Emissary yeah. Pretty much since we nevr really go into detail about any od that.
It was made for kids, u just never grew up.
It's based of a samari legend (atleast the original trilogy) he just replaced samari swords with lightsabers . And rating are basically determined by cussing(which in a scifi\space series you can make up your own that don't need to be censored) and nudity\sex which isn't a big plot point in SW.most things get higher rating just because they say fuck a couple of times
Finally some talk about the old republic!
Okay, this was your most epic one yet. Your talking was very different before, this was like someone telling a story instead of your usual style. Not overdone aswell. Ya did it with this one in my opinion.
Bane:
2 Sith = Stronger raw Sith!
Knights of the Old Republic Siths:
Ok Boomer
Rule of 2 did make palpatine who was the strongest
@@squezzsiege2735 it didn't it actually failed halfway through a Sith almost destroyed everything which is why Palpatine doesn't use those special things
@@srennelamirez643 it was confirmed Palpatine mastered EVERY dark side technique
@@squezzsiege2735 which is kind of stupid because a Sith almost erased every ancient technique in the Banite Order and the spirits on Korriban doesn't submit that easily
So how would he learn the techniques lol
0:40 I would sh&t myself if I was a jedi and I saw that
Legends is canon and Canon is garbage.
Hey i am a star wars newbie. I watched 4 5 6 and just finished 1 today. I will watch 2 and 3 tomorrow. How do i get to learn more? Should i watch the Disney movies? Should i read comics? Help!
@@user-jh9nx6tl1n Disney bought Star Wars in like 2012 and made episode 7/8/9, Solo and Rogue One. These movies plus ep 1-6 take place is a newly created universe that Disney made to continue the franchise. The Disney universe is called "Canon" and everything that came before all the books/comics/games that goes with just ep 1-6 is called "Legends". Legends is a lot bigger and is considered to be the main story.
@@user-jh9nx6tl1n You can check out the new movies if you want, or there are some amazing books that continue after episode 6 in Legends
Ghost of a Dinosaur that’s wrong all content after April 2014 is still considered canon
@@user-jh9nx6tl1n After you watch Episode 2, check out the Clone Wars series (I like to start on season 2 because it's an anthology series and the farther you get the better the series gets). The Clone Wars is by far the best content around the prequels; it is far far better than the prequel movies in my opinion, at least the first 2. Find it on imdb here: www.imdb.com/title/tt0458290/
You can also watch it for free on kisscartoon.
If you're into video games, check out Knights of the Old Republic and Knights of the Old Republic 2. In my opinion, they are the best Star Wars games ever created (even if they're a little old now). They are RPG story-based games that take place in the Star Wars galaxy 1,000 years before A New Hope. They go into all kinds of lore like the Mandalorian Wars and take you to planets like Nar Shaddaa ("Smuggler Moon") and Korriban the homeworld of the Sith. The first game also has the best twists in any video game I've ever played. Find it here on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/32370/STAR_WARS__Knights_of_the_Old_Republic/
If you're into comics, Star Wars Legacy is pretty great. I also hear The Crimson Empire saga and Dark Empire trilogy are also good.
Nice timing, I just started reading Darth Bane the other day.
AFirmBreeze Same. For me the Best Legends books so far (and I read the Thrawn Trilogy). I also love the way the autor describes Lightsaber duels
Such a good book it makes you love bane
Lieutenant kodlack Indeed it does. He has the best caracter development I have ever since in Star Wars
all 3 books are a great read easily my fav sith ever.
Enjoy, these books are awesome.
palpitin: I am too weak
Ani: this is not the Jedi way
mace window: he is too dangerous to be alive
palpitin: help me
mace window: oh no my hand
palpitin: unlimited power aka lots of fast WiFi
mace window: I knew my name was bad luck
Jonathan Pirolo I... I... can't hold on any longah.
Christopher Satterfield ya :)
I am Groot
Mace windows 10 more stronger ,powerful and aggressive.
"Mace Window" LMFAO dude you have my crying over here with this comment
2:19~2:27 SWTOR "Deceive" "Our time has come. For 300 years, we prepared. We grew stronger. While you rested in your cradle of power, believing your people were safe and protected. You were trusted to lead the Republic-but you were deceived, as our powers of the dark side have blinded you. You assumed no force could challenge you...and now...finally...we have returned! You were deceived. And now, your Republic shall fall"
1:20- Actually, the Hundred Year Darkness is the conflict that led to Ajunta Pall and his followers initial exile. They didn’t find the Sith until after that.
Yeah. The "Sith" weren't Sith weren't Sith when they first fought the Jedi. They were just other Jedi, with different ideas.
In fact, it's possible that the Light Jedi actually attacked the Dark Jedi first for heresy, sparking the conflict to begin with.
The Sith have such an amazing history and lore.
Lemme guess, this video was brought by the Society for Information and whatever the heck the acronym was?
EDIT:
Society for Information, Technology, and Helping Others
S I T H (O?)
Selfish, Intimidating, Treacherous, Hedonists.
@@ghost-facedhindu4275 No, that's often the Honest statement.
Sexy Intellectual Techo Hoes*
Self help introspective healers
Bane was probably still the greatest Sith Lord since Emperor Vitiate because how much Sith Lore was destroyed by the rise of Palestine...
Wrong, Sidious have more knowledge about the Force than any Sith Lord that ever existed in the galaxy.
The republic should have funded Israel more i guess
Didn’t know Palestine was a Sith Lord, thought it was a country😂
Mmm that valkorion theme ❤️
Fuck Valkorion and fuck Zakuul.
Vitiate DIED on either DK or Ziost by the hand of JK(Hero of Tython- preferably former choice aka during the Battle of DK). PERIOD.
Like him or hate him he has one cool theme
I won't try to deny that!
Also he looks cool(like a gray / white haired Mengsk tbh) and he could've been a very cool character in other, more High Quality content. I don't hate him(or Zakuul for that matter), just the way they've been handled. How they just appeared and destroyed the Republic. Oh lol! 10s of HUGE ASS WARS couldn't do that, but "Zakuul" could. lol wtf?
Zvonko Fonko, I’m not the biggest fan of that either as it took him 1300 years to rebuild the sith empire but only took him 300 years to build the eternal empire........ I like vitiate but they did overused him with the eternal empire stuff
While we're at it, how did he manage to manage both The Sith Empire and The Eternal Empire? How did he manage to rule over gigant that is former while building the latter? Almost all of the explanations are flimsy at best.
Not to mention his cringe family / associates(Valkorion's).
Best to keep Valk as an awesome concept and to use him elsewhere(and forget that Zakuul ever happened). Could be one helluva character!
My era's best, no questions asked...
You had everything right except the Hundred Years Darkness. That war was actually the second of four schism wars between the Jedi n Dark Jedi. The Dark Jedi was exiled after the Second Schism War (Hundred Years Darkness - 7000 BBY) n crash landed on Korriban. That is when they started their path to becoming Dark Lords of the Sith. The official first war in Legends between the Jedi and the Sith Lords was the Great Hyperspace War (5000 BBY) which started the era known as the Old Sith Wars (5000 BBY - 3951 BBY). New Sith Wars (3681 BBY - 1000 BBY). Altogether seven eras in Legends: Pre-Republic ( Beginning of the galaxy - 25000 BBY), The Old Republic (25000 BBY - 1000 BBY), Rise of the Empire (1000 BBY - 0 BBY), Rebellion (0 BBY - 5 ABY), New Republic (5 ABY - 25 ABY), New Jedi Order ( 25 ABY - 40 ABY), Legacy (40 ABY - 140 ABY). BBY = Before the Battle of Yavin, ABY = After the Battle of Yavin.
I don't follow star wars but I love Hove the universe is so fleshed out
Did the Sith see themselves as evil or did they just see that the Dark side was the way forward? In essence, did they revel in their evilness in a moustache twirling way, saying "I am evil cause I am and I do evil things?" or was it more complicated than that?
The Sith Lords were the embodiment of ALL evil in the Star Wars galaxy. Darkness always rises with the light to always meet it in battle and strike out the dark in the end. I wonder if one day the forces of evil will be eliminated in a great apocalyptic battle and the forces of light will reign forever?
Robin McCormack
How do you not have more likes? that was interesting and poetic in a subtle way!
It’s sad that the sith in the movies look so unthreatening compared to the ones in the comics and other content
This was probably my favorite video I have seen on your channel in the past year I’ve been watching. Loveeeee the feel of this one!
215 likes, 0 dislikes. That’s a pretty good ratio
It keeps getting better
33K likes, 647 dislikes
@@Lukasdenhertog 33k likes 659 dislikes
I’d just like to point out, the Hundred Year Darkness was pre-discovery of Korriban. At that point, Pall, Syn, Dreypa and the rest were just heretical Dark Jedi, they discovered the Sith species after their defeat and exile.
Hey could you do a timeline of the Sith? For instance, when Revan happened, when Bane happened, and Exar Kun Freedon Nadd, etc. I always get confused about which Sith happened before the other.
You choose, please like and comment a number. Thank you🙂 (60 attempts)
1) StarCraft vs Halo: Can Reach survive a Zerg invasion?
2) 2 Harrower Dreadnaughts vs 1 Imperial Star Destroyer
3) Factions Compared Best Military Commander
4) Behemoth class Dreadnaught vs Venator Star Destroyer
5) Top 5 Imperial commanders from canon
6) Mandator Class Dreadnaught vs Resurgent Class Battlecruiser
3 or 6
eck you are the best youtuber
Mic Clank ain't that original
Really love the focus on the Sith! Sometimes I enjoy moving away from ships and militaries and then focusing upon the Force and its cults.
I was never invested in Star Wars during my childhood but I did know about it. I got more interested in the Star Wars story when The Force Awakens came out. I saw the last 3 SW movies but haven’t seen th le previous 6. I saw a game trailer of the Old Republic and tbh it seemed more interesting than what we have now lol I hope they make an Old Republic trilogy cause with modern cgi I think it’ll look amazing
Could you do a video on the war between the Old Republic and the Sith Empire (Great Galactic War)? It’s a fascinating subject which should be explored more!
Please do this video
Space Battleship Yamato vs Super Star Destroyer Eclipse
The eclipse would win with it super laser.
Best videos on TH-cam!
How would u rank it?
Old republic/ survival of the fittest era Sith.
Brotherhood of Darkness era Sith.
Rule of Two era.
Rule of one era.
Revans Sith Empire vs Galactic Empire
Eckhart tends to include his perception of how tech would have advanced between the eras, and for every cross era vs that he has done the more 'modern' era wins out.
Corwin Hyatt well technology wise, they equal since the dark age happened.
Galactic Empire has better ships, a massive fleet, Thrawn and Sidious. Sidious can beat Revan anyday. Think about it. Revan Lost to Vitiate, who is on the same level as Sidious.
@@alessandrofabiano2819 Vitiate was the most powerful Sith ever, period. He used the powers Darth Nihilus had (Without turning into a husk) and gained immortality and ascended into an energy being. (Like Ancients in Stargate.. or Anubis, he had the same plan to wipe the galaxy after all.)
Btw yes, the Star Forge could have been successful at first, but Death Star can just shoot out the Star Forge, and then Revan cant get more ships, weapons, droids. With his charisma, it is arguable he could still manage to gather some to his side, but a more interesting question would be
Vitiate's Sith Empire vs Galactic Empire. Given how the lore was a bit twisted so that the old Sith Empire resembled the GE, and given how many powerful Sith and superweapons they owned, let alone Vitiate, I'd argue it would be a bloody fight, and Sidious would eventually lose.
Maybe not, if he owns the "Republic-Empire' core territories, and Sith Empire owns the old territories, If they would own what after the Treaty of Coruscant, Id say Sith Empire is clear winner. Unless they sabotage themselves as they usually do. In that case, Sidious' centralized Empire has more chances.
@@Grivehn Many sources call Palps the strongest Sith lord ever. And the Empire had a way larger fleet. Stormtroopers are better than Sith Troopers due to their armor, numbers and tech. The Empire's navy, not only is huge, but also more advanced technologically than Revan's. I'm sorry but Palps stomps.
Peace is a lie, there is only pie. Through pie I gain calories, through calories I gain fat, through fat my belt is broken, the fat shall set me free.
I love your videos man! Keep 'em comin'!!
Another great video sir
"Rule of 1.5" sick.. burn..
All Hail Darth Sidious heir of Bane and Adas, Emperor of the galaxy and supreme overlord of the undying darkness.
vitor kennedy that fool who got thrown down a reactor shaft? He was weak.
Did you ever hear of Dark Empire ?
Says the guy who killed his resurrected self with a force storm.
It was Luke, he disconnected me from the force!
Apparently Luke and Leia turned the force storm against you. Stop trying to twist the facts Palpatine.
The last guy that was like the rule of one seems like a younger me taking over a roblox RP server.
LMAO, I bet you had all the roblox girls lining up at your throne
For a vehicle vs: AT-AA vs the AA Wraith
For a person vs: Obi wan vs Thel ‘Vadam (AKA the arbiter from Halo’s 2, 3 and 5) in melee combat
Caleb H I “Hello there” vs “Were it so easy”
Comet5551+ "hello there" verses" we seek the same pride!"
Comet5551 you underestimade the Arbiter’s power...
I win
Obi-Wan Kenobi+ in what?
Babylon 5 the Earth defense of Earth vs the covenant attack.
Or the Halo defense of Earth vs the Minbari attack.
The Empire vs the Shadows or the Vorlons from Babylon 5
The Babylon 5 universe vs ether something from the Star war universe or the HALO universe I would love to see some Babylon 5 love once.
Factions
Fighters non Star Wars. EX: Babylon 5, HALO, Stargate, the Last Starfighter, or Space: Above and Beyond
Capital ships non Star Wars.
The old republic is sick, the Sith where like a giant Viking empire
Bruh it’s like 3am why am i watching this and how is it in my recommended
Not complaining tho
Thunderbolt Starfury from Babylon 5 vs the Sabre from Halo Reach.
VF-1S Valkyrie variable fighter from SDF Macross (not Robotech) vs the Union Overflag from Gundam 00.
Tallgeese from Gundam Wing vs the Grimgerde from Gundam IBO.
Echartsladder please look into these matchups.
Legends: The Sith have an extremely complex history before and after the main 6 movies full of very powerful Sith Lords
Disney Canon: Discount Palpatine and man-child aren’t even fucking Sith.
Also Legacy Legends: We ran out of characters that are more broken than Grand Master Luke so we brought back Sidious and made a plothole but he's enough to pose a challenge to Luke
The Rule of Two that Darth Bane Implemented, he was inspired by the relationship between Revan and Malek, if I recall correctly.
Yep, Bane found Revan's Holocron on Lehon/Rakata Prime if I remember correctly. Fun fact, Drew Karshpyn, the guy who wrote the Darth Bane Trilogy, is also the guy who wrote Knights of The Old Republic.
I hate how Disney is trying to remove the Jedi and sith from existence, and make the series about the force itself, rather than the polar opposites of the Jedi and sith, and yet the striking similarities between them. Which parallels real life examples such as fascism and communism, so close in ideals yet immortally opposed to each other
Darth Marr is my favourite sith, hands down
They need to make a Sith Trilogy movie so we could better understand their pass history like the Jedi
"If the force demands balance then evil can never die". Deep stuff.
All respective light and dark side "orders" are incomplete in their philosophies, which is why they failed.
But the Rule of Two Sith came pretty damned close.
They were the "microscopic virus, too small to detect by the Jedi Order, while slowly infecting the body of the entire galaxy." (Darth Plagueis)
Darth Negrus
He didn't really talk about them much in this video, but the One Sith were wildly successful. They stayed a stable force for over a century, and when they did strike out, they captured the galaxy in only a fraction of the time it took the Order of Sith Lords to. Admittedly, they didn't hold it as long, but that was because of Skywalker - the same lineage that brought down Sidious.
Justin Lacek Interesting, it makes sense seems historically dictatorships under one strong leader have always grown rapidly and fizzled fast.
The rule of 2 era Sith fizzled pretty fast once they actually had power. Plotted and schemed to gain power for a thousand years... but then lost it within 30 years of gaining it.
Also, another problem with the Rule of Two is that it's risky. One of its members attempted to destroy the Sith, and had he succeeded, then well.... Also, there is no surefire way to safeguard against the Master prematurely dying. A lot of these problems plagued the later Rule of Two orders, such as Lumiya's Sith
@@darthnegrus9255 The only reason a despotic dictatorship fails is because of the vacuum of power. Had the One Sith developed a way to ensure a sucessor, it would've lived on. The problem is that the Sith don't usually see the political picture. They want power, but they don't consider the way you can secure it - by having an Empire. If you have a sucessfull Empire, you can have endless resources and manpower to pursue your goals. Sith are usually selfish and forget about this. It's always ''let's destroy the Jedi''.
The era that confuses me the most is the KOTOR to SWTOR era. The sith are there, then they're gone, then they suddenly have an empire, then they're gone again. The prequels make them seem like an ancient enemy long forgotten or seen in the galaxy, but SWTOR and KOTOR sets them up as just another player in the galaxy and not as important or malevolent as the movies made them seem. It's particularly confusing since the SWTOR story is STILL going on and we don't have a conclusion to the empire (for obvious MMO reasons; it's a faction). The eternal empire also confuse me because they're kind of like the empire, yet they're fighting them? And a god tier faction that can mass produce warships like they're peanuts and conquer the galaxy like it's child's play is just... Forgotten about? The old republic era definitely has a lot of holes and weird events to wrap your head around.
Thanks Revan.
I'm always up for some EckhartsLadder, what about you?
Unofficial_AI Hell yeah
Thats what I love about Sith. is that they change. They adapt. They overcome. Jedi. Jedi do not change.
Enjoyed Vitiate's theme playing throughout the entirety of the video
That is such an amazing quote: "If the will of the force demands balance, then evil can never die." Also, excellent choice in music.
In my opinion, Exar and Revan Empires different from Naga Sadow’s, cause there are a lot of dark Jedi, but few Sith Lords (Revan and Malak and Bandon, Exar and Ulik), and there are no racism. Vitiates Empire are heritage from Marka’s empire with superiority of pureblood Sith and human, but grouped around godlike creature of immortal Emperor.
Brotherhood defies Revan Sith/dark Jedi differences and make them all Sith
Bane’s Order are non-country based Sith community, which rotate inside republic and act in secret.
Kryte Sith are government-based religion group, without rivalry in their ranks (almost), and they grouped around Kryte, like superior creature
everything was fine until the Jedi showed up
You kinda glossed over the Lost Tribe, but then again, they were descendants of Sith who were isolated on Kesh and still held onto the ideals of the original Sith Empire. And the fact that they managed to thrive for thousands of years just shows how effective that society was without the constant wars with the Jedi.
Let me tell you the story of Darth Plagious the wise.
So Anakin actually bringed balance to the force. The Jedi were ruling the galaxy and then, with Anakin's help, Sith ruled the galaxy. So it was equal and balanced. (I'm Turkish. If there are some mistakes, forgive please.)
@Eckhsrtladder:
According to the novel: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction,
Darth Bane didn't create The Rule of Two, Darth Revan created it, Bane only enforced The Rule of Two
Darth bane created it, there was only small "speculations" about it before him. That is like saying, Elon musk only enforced tesla because someone thought about it before him.
This is the content I want movies about...not crabby black boy and derpy Rey.
Autumn class cruiser vs ISD
I'm not here for the rule of two. Too much knowledge is lost when an apprentice gets the upper hand on a master. There's also no guarantee that an apprentice will be stronger than a master when they kill them, they could just be lucky. *shrug*
UNSC vs Geth
Tyren Kupper unsc got this
“Most interesting.”
Who are geth?
GreaterHalo06 Geth are synthetic lifeforms created by the Quarians initially as a slave workforce ~200 years before the events of the first Mass Effect game. On their own, they are not particularly intelligent, but the more you have, the more collectively intelligent and sophisticated they become. They have pretty much kept to themselves staying outside of Citadel space since they overthrew their Quarian masters, kicking them off of their own home planet. Some did split off from the collective whole to join Sovereign (the Reapers), but most of them seem to be indifferent to what happens outside of their own part of the galaxy (at least up to ME2 anyway, still haven't played the 3rd one)
I think that's everything, internet feel free to add on things if i glossed over any details or misinterpreted something, hope this helps
UNSC got this
Thirdly the first Sith Era did not last untill 2000 bby. After the death of Vitiate and his children in the middle of the 4 Millennium bby there was a large period of relative peace. The era of the new Sith wars and the Brotherhood of Darkness started over 1500 years after the death of Vitiate, when a Fallen Jedi named Darth Ruin caused another schism.
To me Legends is really post Return of the Jedi
For everyone that says that the Rule of Two Sith are trash and the Old Republic Sith are the best, the Rule of Two Sith did what the other couldn't: destroy the Republic (turned into the Empire) and nearly eradicate the Jedi (the Sith's mortal enemies)
Well palpatine is back
Star wars is a dead franchise, #canceldisneyplus #istandwithginacarano, they are replacing the "#" with @/ due to this you have to edit it to make it a hashtag! Now have to add extra text to even get the post on to the comments section now! TH-cam is now deleting my previous comments around this subject!!.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (169th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
You got to 69 and then 169!!! YOU GOT A 69 TWICE!!! WHY HAS HE NOT DONE THIS YET!!??!?! This is HERESY!!!
Burn him at the stake!!!
Does this include the Bedlam Spirits, cuz there are omnipotent.
7th attempt:
Reapers vs. Yuzzhan Vong
You must be working with Adam Bell, or they are your alt, idk
Darth Bane, a sith's sith.