The Two HIDDEN SITH LORDS who ruled during Palpatines Era | Star Wars Legends

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  • We take a look at two Sith Lords who ruled during Palpatine's Rule of the Galactic Empire, as well as other Sith and Dark Side groups across the Galaxy.
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  • @EckhartsLadder
    @EckhartsLadder  5 ปีที่แล้ว +127

    Fun twitch stream in a few hours: www.twitch.tv/eckhartsladder

    • @thorshammer7883
      @thorshammer7883 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      #AskEck
      *Attemtp 582*
      Can you please do the Forerunners vs Warhammer 40k faction versus battles just listen to the fans.

    • @lennartgamer2339
      @lennartgamer2339 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol

    • @sithlord115
      @sithlord115 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      #AskEck I loved the NJO series and i was wondering what you thought about it and would it make a good series of movies? i think its better as books because it is so long of a series but what do you think?

    • @RemberReach
      @RemberReach 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Flood vs Darth Jar Jar Binks

    • @RemberReach
      @RemberReach 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here are some Ideas for Matchups
      Master Chief vs Samus Aran vs Darth Vader
      USS Enterprise vs UNSC Infinity
      Genji(overwatch) vs General Grievous
      Pre War Fallout Usa 2077 vs 1960s Wolfenstein Germany
      Boboa Fett vs Deathstroke

      Jedi Council vs X Men

  • @AlteryxGaming
    @AlteryxGaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1395

    This is getting out of hand, now there are four of them!

    • @jacksonscott3667
      @jacksonscott3667 5 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      - Obi Wan Kenobi, upon confronting Separatist General Grievous on Utapau

    • @bemotivated8443
      @bemotivated8443 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      There are too many of them,what are we going to do?

    • @gameoflife9576
      @gameoflife9576 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@bemotivated8443 use form 3 of lightsaber combat.

    • @gameoflife9576
      @gameoflife9576 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@tx-ur4qw flying is for droids.Use a lightsaber.It's more civilized.

    • @thomas.02
      @thomas.02 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      then 8, then 16.....

  • @redpandarampage2191
    @redpandarampage2191 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1687

    Hold up... Plageous was in the next room when Maul and Siduous were on Coruscant?

    • @johnroscoe2406
      @johnroscoe2406 5 ปีที่แล้ว +323

      Novels.

    • @bemotivated8443
      @bemotivated8443 5 ปีที่แล้ว +274

      It blew my mind when I read that part

    • @jh-ij4by
      @jh-ij4by 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      plageous would kill palpatine easily?

    • @jackychang9148
      @jackychang9148 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Plagueis*

    • @mikeyc6643
      @mikeyc6643 5 ปีที่แล้ว +155

      @@jh-ij4by Palp killed him in his sleep did you not watch revenge of the sith

  • @jaysmind94
    @jaysmind94 5 ปีที่แล้ว +407

    Why do I have the urge to look every single thing up like starwars is a true history 😂

    • @tori9365
      @tori9365 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣

    • @dontaparrotta2068
      @dontaparrotta2068 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      For real 😀😀 feel the same way for a second I thought this shit was real history

    • @jonnysquirrels
      @jonnysquirrels 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This has been my life for the past couples of weeks

    • @HammerAnimationsChannel
      @HammerAnimationsChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It is real history. It just happened a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away

    • @josephnissenson3252
      @josephnissenson3252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bruh i feel that I've been mad at myself that i can't get this interested in the real world😂

  • @jaredjones1752
    @jaredjones1752 4 ปีที่แล้ว +509

    People who criticize the Rule of Two need to understand something: It was not inherently flawed; the Rule became corrupted as time went on. Darth Bane told his apprentice, Zannah, it was the duty of the master to teach their apprentice everything s/he knew about the Dark Side, and only after that would the apprentice try to overthrow him/her. In theory, this would make the Sith STRONGER with each successive generation. Hell, Bane even gave Zannah ancient books about Sith sorcery when she was only a teenager, and Sith sorcery was the very thing she wound up utilizing to kill him 20 years later. Bane had integrity, and wasn't afraid to give her a dangerous tool he had little defense against, as long as it would ultimately make the Sith stronger. Also, the only reason Bane took a second apprentice while Zannah was still alive was because he thought Zannah was waiting for him to grow old and weak before challenging him--which he considered a dangerous precedent. Can you imagine a dishonorable prick like Palpatine behaving with such integrity?

    • @JohnWilliams-wl9px
      @JohnWilliams-wl9px 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      James Smith It was something incredibly risky thing to follow because it doesn’t leave much in way to make sure the Sith continue if something happens. Though an aspect I was lead to believe for a long time is that the rule actually stated it was only to last until the Jedi were defeated. But Palpatine didn’t follow the last part because it guaranteed his safety more.
      Given how Bane based it off Revan I wonder if he read it wrong. Like when Revan states there should be 2 he might have might there should only 2 Sith Lords, not 2 sith in general

    • @TheGreatestOne15
      @TheGreatestOne15 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@JohnWilliams-wl9px going by kotor and the set up of revans forces it was meant as 2 Lords since his empire used koriban to train more sith and used a big amount of falen jedi

    • @JohnWilliams-wl9px
      @JohnWilliams-wl9px 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Barges Yeah do Bane misunderstood what Renan intended

    • @darthrevan618
      @darthrevan618 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Issue is that is expecting for sith to not act like sith and be more like the jedi

    • @xKinjax
      @xKinjax 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      But it is very flawed inherently. Palpatine managed to trick them Republic into delivering itself into his hands and then ended up squandering it all because his extremely carefully chosen and "crafted" apprentice had a change of heart. That's literally all it takes for it all to go "down the shitter" under the "Rule of Two". Would have been nice if he had more than one apprentice at that point to make sure his other, recently turned to the Light, apprentice didn't mess everything up, no?
      And this is only taking into account possible betrayal(of the unwanted kind), the two could literally get hit by a space bus(aka get into any kind of unfortunate accident) and centuries of careful scheming and planning go out the window. It's a stupid idea simply because it's way too much of a pointless gamble. Sure, it lead to a Sith ruling a massive star empire but the ancient Sith also ruled massive empires at various points.

  • @bemusedgalaxy
    @bemusedgalaxy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +690

    Everyone knows jar jar was and always will be the #1 sith lord

  • @alluringming
    @alluringming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I always liked idea that their were other sith out their somewhere, somehow able to mask their presence from sideious and vader. People often said palpatine could probably sense them but as often we see in star wars jedi and sith always managed to mask their presence from one another for thousands of years.

  • @MrGoatflakes
    @MrGoatflakes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Darth Krayt would have to be one of the most relatable and sympathisable Sith Lord of all time.

  • @toddkurzbard
    @toddkurzbard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    You missed the hidden Sith lord that was the most evil of ALL:
    Darth Jar-Jar.

    • @khantzayar4480
      @khantzayar4480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oh wesa in big doodoo dis time!

    • @lucabestea6844
      @lucabestea6844 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I knew you'd say that😅

  • @ThadtheHobo
    @ThadtheHobo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    I could listen to sith and mandalorian stories for hours

  • @rebelcybran5850
    @rebelcybran5850 5 ปีที่แล้ว +216

    Siths are starting sound more like Hydra by now. :P

    • @veronsoel5412
      @veronsoel5412 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Well...Vader's helmet was a modified helmet of the German army during WWII so...XD Not that i'm saying that Nazi are Sith but...there's a lot inspiration XD

    • @rebelcybran5850
      @rebelcybran5850 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@veronsoel5412 I mean Hydra from Marvel.

    • @galenmarek8287
      @galenmarek8287 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@rebelcybran5850 didnt hydra from marvel start out during ww2, aboard team nazi?

    • @veronsoel5412
      @veronsoel5412 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Cybran Rebel No way! i thought you were talking about the hydra of Hercules!...*facepalm*Just as Galen Marek said Hydra from marvel appeared in ww2, heavely supported by the Furhër himself. Hydra is just a kind of Super Nazi organisation if you didn't noticed.

  • @raistlin3462
    @raistlin3462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    I always considered the Rule of Two as a classic case of Stupid Evil.
    If Sith are so disfunctional that you cannot have three in the same room without killing each other, how can they ever hope to match the Jedi Order?
    Jedi can work together, and Masters can pass their knowledge to their Padawans without fear of betrayal so their legacy is preserved. Sith Lords never reveal all their knowledge to their apprentices for fear of losing their edge, so when the new generation gets in charge they are weaker/more ignorant than their predecessors.

    • @Jdtheepic
      @Jdtheepic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      Allow me to retort: Execute Order 66

    • @Elitex62
      @Elitex62 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      This is why the Rule of One is an improvement. "What if we encourage loyalty to our master instead of betrayal?" This lead to the only major betrayal in the One Sith was Darth Wyrlock III killing Krayt and telling the Galaxy that he is still alive, only just recovering. The reasoning why was because Darth Wyrlock knew that if Krayt died while there was no chance of covering it up, the One Sith would fall apart as there is no clear successor, so he betrayed Krayt to help realise Krayt's vision.

    • @MrMbogza
      @MrMbogza 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Lol, also what if both sith die unexpectedly in an space travel accident? Then the sith is just completely gone lol

    • @110100111000
      @110100111000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They can always take separate routes on separate ships.

    • @CorvusCorone68
      @CorvusCorone68 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@110100111000 yeh, like how the Coca-Cola CEOs that know the true recipe are never allowed to be in the same room, lest something happen and the recipe be lost

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    If in legends if Palpatine has revealed that he was still alive to Thrawn do you think Thrawn would have remained loyal and joined The Dark Empire/operation shadow hand? Or would Thrawn have still attached the New Republic? Also if he attacks the New Republic would he have revealed that Palpatine was still alive in an attempt to distract and create strife in the New Republic like with Admiral Ackbar? #askeck

    • @Shadowkey392
      @Shadowkey392 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably he would join him.

    • @Alexthe360Great
      @Alexthe360Great 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I don't think Papa Palpy would have let Thrawn join him, tbh. From Palpatine's perspective: he had been betrayed by Vader, the Jedi/New Republic were growing and dismantling everything he built, the Imperial Warlords were fighting each other, and his Empire was in disarray. Also, he had to use a clone body since his real one was destroyed. Palpatine knows Thrawn has been creating the Empire of the Hand and likely working with the Chiss, however official or not, in the Unknown Regions. Thrawn is a Grand Admial with the skills to back that claim up. Especially with yslamir on Thrawn's side, our favorite Grand Admiral simply is too much of a liability. Thrawn would be loyal, but I don't think Palpatine can risk it. If he had, the things Thrawn could do with the World Devastators...doesn't bear thinking about.

    • @Elitex62
      @Elitex62 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think he might actually side with the New Republic in the end. Dark Empire Palpatine was more blatantly evil and I don't see Thrawn siding with him seeing the true evil within the Emperor. He probably knew Palpatine was in it for himself, but he probably didn't realise how far he would go. Once he sees how the Dark Empire openly embraces the Dark Side and has numerous weapons, ships, and soldiers that have some connection to it, he'll probably see Palpatine's end plan and side with the New Republic in order to prevent the Galaxy from being run by a crazy megalomaniac and his henchmen. You got to keep in mind, at the end of the day, Thrawn does what he does for the good of the galaxy and while he has gone to extreme lengths, everyone with any level of moral code has a line. Those without a line are most likely those without any moral sense.

    • @Alexthe360Great
      @Alexthe360Great 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You raise a really good point. Grand Admiral Thrawn for Supreme Chancellor of the New Republic! I would actually love to see him debating with Borsk Fey'lya. Fey'lya would be in his element and talk about Thrawn's atrocities, but Thrawn would be Thrawn and carefully explain every single last problem with everything Fey'lya says. Honestly, I don't know who would win. Sorry, I kind of went off on a tangent there.

    • @TheWingland
      @TheWingland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Alexthe360Great No apologies necessary part of why I post these suggestions is for the discussions that we have in the comments that way even if eck never makes a video based on the suggestion we still get a fun conversation as fans

  • @andrewdrysdale5011
    @andrewdrysdale5011 5 ปีที่แล้ว +252

    #AskEck
    Would an alternate timeline galaxy in which the Jedi and Sith never existed be better off than the current Star Wars galaxy?

    • @blackshogun272
      @blackshogun272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Starcatcher I feel it would have been wiped out hard by the people themselves...

    • @eternalemperorvalkorion750
      @eternalemperorvalkorion750 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      I think that the Jedi kept the republic in check while the sith kept their empire in check so its a hard one

    • @timewellspent8137
      @timewellspent8137 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Does the Force still exist, but no religious sect formed, or is it that it was a Forceless timeline?

    • @teamredshirt
      @teamredshirt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Small clarification, in your scenario, were the Sith and Jedi philosophies just not developed (or spread) or are they not there because the force isn’t a thing? The distinction would make a big difference in answering the question. I suggest that if the Force were still a thing, there would be good people and evil people using it, and the training requirements would necessitate some level of organization, so I suspect that groups of some sort would arise regardless, even if they weren’t exactly those that we know.
      The question gets really interesting if it’s based on the premise that The Force isn’t an influence on the galaxy, brings up questions about where and how Force users have influenced the course of galactic history. The Repblic wouldn’t have fallen if not for the Sith, but would it have ever existed without the Jedi to protect it for thousands of years. The Hapan Consortium may not have ever become reclusive, May never have moved beyond its piratical roots as it did when the women were left alive after the Jedi slew all the pirates (I feel like I’m missing something in my recollection there, but maybe not). I feel like the Hutts were prevented from open control of even more of the galaxy by the Jedi, but I’m not sure on that score. Oh yea. and The Original Mandos would probably rule everything without the Jedi around. I mean, come on, riding a War droid into combat with vacuum mere centimetres from your shebs then hanging on through *reentry* (meaning it’s fire instead of vacuum way to close to the family jewels), that’s a race of pure badass right there.
      In my opinion, the real loss to the galaxy in the second scenario would be the Vornskrs (no way I spelled that right) on Myrkyr, the animals that were adapted into the Voxyn by the Yuuzhaan Vong to hunt Jedi. They are just so cool, hunting under the heavy canopy of jungle using The Force, like a wolf with esp and a whip tail.

    • @Nikoli492
      @Nikoli492 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hard to say since the Force would still exists & new force sensitive organization/factions poping out across the galaxy.

  • @Hugo74390
    @Hugo74390 5 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Concerning the Lost Tribe's power, it's adressed in the books. While I don't remember the exact phrasing, I think it's something like while being as powerful and skilled in the Force as their Jedi counterparts, their isolation and habit of being undisputed rulers (inside competition usually limited to training duels, political plottings and backstabbings) made them complacent, over confident and far less adaptable when facing unknown threats, enemies or strategies than the New Jedi Order (which had to deal with countless life threatening challenges at that point, including the Yuuzhan Vong.)
    Kind of an inverted picture of what led to Order 66, when you think about it... With the Sith rigidly set in their ways and the Jedi having learned to adapt.

    • @teamredshirt
      @teamredshirt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Nailed it.
      I would add, they had all the arrogance of The Sith from Naga Sadows era (okay so, the arrogance of any Sith in any era), which meant that while they were busy letting themselves become protectors of Kesh, confident that the galaxy was firmly in the grasp of their Sith brethren, they never really felt they needed to grow beyond the traditions they held when they crashed. Five thousand years of complacency later, they let their, to be frank, inexperience show when they decide to throw a strike team at Luke and Ben (as you mentioned) and lost a dozen Sabres and two masters to a Jedi Master and his apprentice, whom they caught by surprise, with Luke just woken up from a force trance/ coma for a week or two, leaving him severely reduced in his ability, (read: one hand tied behind his back). All but I think six Sith died in that first fight, and it all ended with Luke in a Lightsaber battle against a Sith Lord, her apprentice and two Sabres *inside a turbolift*

    • @ACrazedGaming
      @ACrazedGaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@teamredshirt and that just shows how powerful legends Luke was
      He had the speed that made it look like he was wielding 12 sabers at once for fucks sake lmao

    • @ohsodangerous619
      @ohsodangerous619 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well sidious did conquer the planet under the rule of 2, so it must of work

    • @fumarc4501
      @fumarc4501 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s a good comparison.

  • @tariffictypist7372
    @tariffictypist7372 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I feel like Krayt doesn't count as he wasn't fully in the dark side by the time of the Emperor's rule.

    • @generalhorse493
      @generalhorse493 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      He was a dark sider, and had been for years following his discovery of xoxann's holocron and had been spending this time learning the ways of the Sith to try
      and make himself powerful enough to destroy Sidious and Vader. He just remained in denial about it until his torture by the Vong and his informal tutelage by Vergere,
      where he received his vision of the One Sith, and had become too scarred and bitter to remember or even care about himself and the vow he'd made to his father.
      Of course one could argue that to quote GreyJedi91:
      "His idea for what the Sith should become, and the practices he used to instruct his followers, we're outgrowths of a very corrupted Jedi philosophy."

  • @aaronmoots1569
    @aaronmoots1569 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    *hears about Sith Lords other than palpatine
    "friend you are crazy"

  • @emmanuelmorris7653
    @emmanuelmorris7653 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    #ASKECK Can you do the Gray Paladins from coruscant nights? They're a Jedi faction that used blasters and other weapons one was so good that she was able to send one of her own bolts straight up an enemy's blaster barrel. They also believed in using the force as little as possible so they focused on other skills like martial arts and military tactics like guerrilla warfare, urban tactics, espionage, and infiltration.

    • @toasty_the_fox
      @toasty_the_fox 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You truly ARE everywhere mate

    • @emmanuelmorris7653
      @emmanuelmorris7653 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@toasty_the_fox what can I say I'm persistent.

  • @kageshira
    @kageshira 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    "Always too there're no more no less...well if you don't count the inquisitors, hand's of the emperor, sith prophets, dark siders, dark jedi, etc..."

    • @QixTheDS
      @QixTheDS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Those are what the kids call loopholes.

    • @givesmeconniptions7621
      @givesmeconniptions7621 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, but that's Disney for you.

    • @thephoenix4093
      @thephoenix4093 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@givesmeconniptions7621 most of them were made before disny bruh

  • @mrheroprimes
    @mrheroprimes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I feel bad for Leia. Because in both Legends and and canon and her Son (Ben solo and Jacen solo) falls to the dark side.

    • @vitorkennedy1862
      @vitorkennedy1862 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      But in legends Leia and Han still have Jaina, jagged Fel and Alana.

    • @mrheroprimes
      @mrheroprimes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@vitorkennedy1862 it still kind of sucks for Leia because there was a prophecy about her child that would fall to the dark side. is it possible Obi-Wan told Luke to be weary of his nephew because he told Luke about the prophecy he read as a Padawan that foretold darkness would give birth to darkness in other words Luke and Leia being the children of Darth Vader that makes them born from Darkness and the leia course has a son in both Legends and Canon that turn to the dark side which translates to her giving birth to darkness.

    • @unruly6475
      @unruly6475 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrheroprimes but leia n solo were good n leia n luke were conceived when Anakin was still Anakin not vader

    • @Corrosivewizardgaming
      @Corrosivewizardgaming 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@unruly6475 but after he had murdered the Sand people so he already had opened to the darkness, even if he hadn't fully embraced it!

    • @NANA-lt6hd
      @NANA-lt6hd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except that one was a badass who took the fall to the dark side in order to protect and save the lives of everyone he loved after he saved the entire galaxy by getting a decisive victory over the Yuzhan Vong. While the other was a tempter-tantrum prone pussy who had literally acomplished nothing during his life. Comparing the two I feel less bad for Leia in terms of Jacen because he was a hero in every shape and form and she knew it. Canon Leia is who I would feel sorry for more but lets face it. She stopped giving two shits about her son after the amazing wonder Rey came along LOL.

  • @cernstormrunner7263
    @cernstormrunner7263 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Do you think the One Sith absorbed the Lost Tribe? It'd explain how there were so many of them

    • @fumarc4501
      @fumarc4501 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s actually a very good question.

  • @youngsmitty347
    @youngsmitty347 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    #AskEck In Legends continuity, did the galaxy ever find out about Luke and Leia's parentage of Vader being Anakin? If so, what was their reaction?

    • @Tar-Numendil
      @Tar-Numendil 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Yes they did. Leia at least had a very hard time of it. Many younger senators by 25 A.B.Y. didn't trust her and tried their best to discredit her. Many people felt that Luke and Leia were destined to follow in Vader's footsteps and dominate the Galaxy.

    • @teamredshirt
      @teamredshirt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Dillon James Locke, correct me if im Wrong, but my recollection has it that the fact that they were siblings wasn’t common knowledge until roughly the same time.
      It occurs to me just now how sad it is that those two had to look so hard to learn about the man that their father was before he fell. Watching and reading these stories, I sometimes forget that the characters don’t have the knowledge that we do of all the eras. That’s why I was so pleased that they pulled a retcon and made the grey bearded guy on the Endor mission Rex. I take some comfort in the fact that at some point, around a fire, either before or after the battle Luke and Leia got a chance to hear stories from someone who knew Anakin a friend and brother in arms.

    • @Tar-Numendil
      @Tar-Numendil 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@teamredshirt Good point. I too forget that the characters don't know as much as we do. I'm not sure when it became public knowledge that Luke and Leia were siblings. It is frustrating that we know Vader was redeemed, but in-universe most characters are oblivious and ignorant to that fact. I like to think Luke at least got to talk to Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, Rex, maybe Ahsoka, and of course Anakin about the fall of the Republic and the rise of the Empire.

    • @Lightwolf_VR
      @Lightwolf_VR 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Largely seems to depend on the author. Some act as though the entire galaxy saw the movies, while in others that knowledge is a major plot point.

    • @jedislap8726
      @jedislap8726 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There was a species called the Noghri that worshipped Darth Vader and upon finding out that Leia was his daughter they referred to her as Lady Vader and became her bodyguards throughout the Legends series.

  • @timbartschwolfman
    @timbartschwolfman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    #AskEck
    Did Qui Gon Jinn have any role of Vader being redeemed from the dark side and helping Anakin save Luke from Palpatine?

    • @darak1455
      @darak1455 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't even think they interacted also have to remember qui gon jin died when anakin was a kid so darth vadar most likely would see him and get angry

    • @rashiqspencer6925
      @rashiqspencer6925 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      He tried to stopped Anakin from slaughtering the Tusken Raiders

    • @jackychang9148
      @jackychang9148 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Well he did teach the Force Ghost technique to Yoda and Ben which led to major events for Luke who turned Vader back to Anakin.

    • @metzger5850
      @metzger5850 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Qui-Gon was the reason Anakin was trained. It's his fault everyone got slaughtered in Palpatines purge...and yada yada (fast forward 25 years) eventually Vader tossed his old ass down a well.

    • @dizzy2193
      @dizzy2193 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Wrong qui gin was the only one who could of kept anakin from turning and they did meet again on the planet of mortis where they talked but had qui gin not died then things would have gone different bc he himself was originally suppose to be anakins original master instead of obi wan

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 5 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    #AskEck
    *Attempt 581*
    Do the Forerunners vs Warhammer 40k faction versus battles please?

    • @federationprime
      @federationprime 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      EEEEEEEECK!!!

    • @jacksonscott3667
      @jacksonscott3667 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Your perseverance is admirable; keep going, my man.

    • @teamredshirt
      @teamredshirt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You just *know* that the one video you don’t put this on, some random is gonna ask for it and then it will happen. And then his comment will be up there on the screen while you try to figure out if you are annoyed or happy...
      Murphy is a son of a bitch with an asshole of a law.

    • @Greywolf905
      @Greywolf905 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@d.watamate8231 NOT THE FORERUNNERS. about the only thing in 40k who could threaten the forerunners are the necron.

    • @Jason-jb3xt
      @Jason-jb3xt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Greywolf905 the Eldar psykker abilities would decimate the forerunners, they have faster teavel and more accurate with the webways, only thing the forerunners would have is the halos but I think the webway would protect the eldar seeing as how they arent in real space.

  • @Tar-Numendil
    @Tar-Numendil 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Palpatine was 86 in ROTJ. Krayt was 51 in ROTJ.

  • @akeelbrown7675
    @akeelbrown7675 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Your forgetting about darth jar jar

  • @twistedvtuber9894
    @twistedvtuber9894 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    "Always 2, there are... No more... No less..."
    John Cena: Are you sure about that?

    • @susanatondo5889
      @susanatondo5889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Makes sense, I read those krayt comics and was pissed when I found out it was about wrylock, some crazy Sith talking to an invisible 'Lord krayt.' Waste of money. ------ Wait.... is krayt.... John Cena?! That explains it

  • @robertpatience5141
    @robertpatience5141 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Vergre is not a Sith, Denning Lied.

  • @arx3516
    @arx3516 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    What about Plagueis's master, Darth JarJar?

    • @BlyUehara37
      @BlyUehara37 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Darth Venamis is Plagueis master

    • @ayoutubechannel1413
      @ayoutubechannel1413 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kedovil53 Tenebrous*

    • @evankoerber1756
      @evankoerber1756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There was a Darth Venamis that was trained by Darth Tenobrous who was also a Bith, however, he was considered illegitimate due to the violation of the rule of two, and was technically a secret apprentice

  • @matthewbittenbender9191
    @matthewbittenbender9191 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Darth Millennial? Let me guess: born after 1985AD, never woke up til noon, lived with his parents until 27 years old, ate only avocado toast, working on an App and commuted by Uber to the Core.

  • @AFaithMove
    @AFaithMove 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That odd moment when you realize it’s still, has been and will continue to be “palpatines era”

  • @realitycheck3672
    @realitycheck3672 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    *Star Wars was based on a true story.*
    *The Truth Is Out There.*

  • @spamviking
    @spamviking 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    #AskEck During the Battle of Yavin, why did Biggs tell Porkins to eject when his X-Wing was hit? Would he not have just been pulled down to the surface by gravity? Even if that was the case was their even a chance of recovery for an ejected pilot during that battle? Were there U-Wings flying about out of frame waiting to scoop up downed pilots?

  • @Frankoman64
    @Frankoman64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The fact that we'll never get a star wars movie about three yuzhan vong war just bums me out. Imagine that trilogy.

  • @warrengouldthorpe5091
    @warrengouldthorpe5091 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And mace windu was stupid enough to believe that darth maul was count dookus master

  • @ARMERZ
    @ARMERZ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Have you done any Imperial Knights content, the one who used grey lightsabers if anyone's wondering.

  • @RextheRebel
    @RextheRebel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Before Bane there was the Sith of many where there was a Sith council and they all disputed for power and Bane was the surviving member who decided that infighting would destroy the Sith which prompted the Rule of Two ideology.

  • @arthurbrandonnielsen
    @arthurbrandonnielsen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish there was more info on the Sorcerers of Tund. To my knowledge, they are only mentioned in one book.

  • @3710stormwolf
    @3710stormwolf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Honestly this is why I think the Prophecy only applies to the Bane line and the damage it did to the force. Because how would say the Lost Tribe unbalance the force anymore than the nightsisters when they are both stuck on one planet in the middle of nowhere

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Vs matchup
    Sgt. Johnson(Halo) vs Captain Rex(Star Wars)

    • @fortherepublic1263
      @fortherepublic1263 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rex wins due to knowing how to WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS.

    • @jh-ij4by
      @jh-ij4by 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Captain Rex would win he is a super soldier modified to be effective in his dna

    • @Zana205
      @Zana205 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sgt Johnson knows what the ladies like, so easy win.

  • @jacksonyoung1788
    @jacksonyoung1788 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    #askeck How did the Darth title fade into obscurity?

    • @FreeOpenTruth
      @FreeOpenTruth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It didn't until Vader died. It was from Darth Bane's lineage aka The Rule of Two.

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I gave up on the Lost Tribe when the actual Red ones died.

  • @anactualpotato4197
    @anactualpotato4197 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I still think Eck is keeping the secret about the true sith lords... GONK DROID AND DARTH JAR JAR

  • @AMisfit
    @AMisfit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So, how many Star Wars video games actually made it into Cannon?
    I'm asking because Vossa from Star Wars Bounty Hunter never gets mentioned at all, and she was a Sith too.
    Not a Sith Lord but still a Sith none the less.

  • @MichaelGarcia03
    @MichaelGarcia03 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Palpatine is the goat he’s the most powerful sith who ever lived

    • @salemmostafa3661
      @salemmostafa3661 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Vititate and Nillihus: are we a joke to you?

    • @ThatBoyRocks101
      @ThatBoyRocks101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sidious Vitiate and Nillihus, Are the top 3 strongest Sith of all time, Without a doubt!

  • @jimszikk775
    @jimszikk775 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its things like this that destroy Star Wars for me!

  • @C33dis
    @C33dis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Jedi vs Sith are like Freemasons vs Illuminati

    • @C33dis
      @C33dis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      escha eau.c33 Well for starters, both organizations are cult-like groups that are shrouded in mystery and conspiracy. Like the Masons/Illuminati, the Jedi and Sith are said to have influence over politics within their form of reality. The Freemasons act towards achieving what they believe to be everyone’s common interest and end goals. However, the Illuminati (like the Sith) operate entirely on self interests and seeking ways to augment their own lifestyle, even at the expense of society or one another.

    • @andrewwhittaker7016
      @andrewwhittaker7016 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Meep Meep I highly recommend that you read more books about the Freemasons and the Illuminati. Many people who are in the Freemasons are also in the Illuminati as well

    • @C33dis
      @C33dis 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrew Whittaker I’ve searched, but can’t seem to find much reliable information on them. Any recommendations?

    • @C33dis
      @C33dis 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrew Whittaker ...i guess not

  • @vcihiethea
    @vcihiethea 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:04 sums up exactly why I hate Star Wars. To any normie that's an alien planet which a stranded tribe of Siths have colonized. But to anyone who knows a shred about History or Geography, that's literary boro bodour. -_-

  • @bsmnt23
    @bsmnt23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd like to see more of Darth Tallon.
    ...a lot more.

  • @TerLoki
    @TerLoki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ah yes, Darth Millennial. Dark lord of crippling student loan debt.

  • @cominguponinfra-red3038
    @cominguponinfra-red3038 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (573rd try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*

    • @onesec8005
      @onesec8005 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Combined fleets of Babylon5 & Mass Effect vs. First Ones & Reavers.

  • @TheJedaiHero9000
    @TheJedaiHero9000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This just blown my mind!!!
    I really didn't know about this.
    Keep up these GREAT vids & stay AWESOME, Ecks.

  • @darthmalgus2786
    @darthmalgus2786 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Me, you guys just dont realize it

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Vs matchup
    Brute or Brute chieftain from Halo vs A Predator from the Predator franchise. With 2 rounds First round unarmed and unarmored. Second round fully armed and armored

    • @darak1455
      @darak1455 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Armored battle predator easily unarmed r would be closer but I still think predator

  • @mcdaysalive6586
    @mcdaysalive6586 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    #AskEck Why is there a carbonite freezing chamber in cloud city? It's an oddly specific piece of tech that doesn't seem like something they would need as its practical purposes seem more useful to someone like Jabba for his bounty hunters or in a prison or something? I was wondering if there is an in-universe explanation as to why they would have/need one.

  • @060steve
    @060steve 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ah yes
    Darth Millenial
    The arch-nemesis of Darth Boomer

  • @baldrian22
    @baldrian22 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What ended up happening to the lost tribe of the sith and the native species of the planet they crash landed on in the end?

  • @thebaccathatchews
    @thebaccathatchews 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    #AskEck Which Halo ship--any faction--would best fit in the Star Wars universe?

  • @BilalMarcus
    @BilalMarcus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so all these sith lords and orders wandering around and the jedi knew about NONE of them? oh boy the jedi REALLY sucked at their job

    • @jackychang9148
      @jackychang9148 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was the point of the prequel trilogy ( I - III ). They sucked because they became arrogant and complacent.

  • @SuperFriendBFG
    @SuperFriendBFG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To further elaborate. The Massassi were actually a subspecies of the Sith "species"

    • @tappajaav
      @tappajaav 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      QUAD DAMAGE

  • @1chaplain
    @1chaplain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What about Jar Jar Binks?

  • @Darksage5555
    @Darksage5555 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could you do a video explaining Darth Revan

  • @grandadmiralzaarin4962
    @grandadmiralzaarin4962 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Pfft, nothing but Imposters and failures compared to the Rule of Two Sith.

    • @ceTarnity
      @ceTarnity 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who likes this message

  • @roadhouse6999
    @roadhouse6999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Darth Millennial vs. Darth Boomer

  • @t.g.b.1164
    @t.g.b.1164 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    #AskEck
    How force sensitive were Gray Jedi in comparison to normal Jedi?

    • @jedislap8726
      @jedislap8726 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      They are the same, they just find a balance in the Force between Dark and Light. So they are pretty much like normal Jedi with a sense of honour and duty but are willing to push the boundaries or even cross them sometimes to achieve their goal. Qui Gon is often seen as a 'Grey Jedi'.

  • @MikeChamp
    @MikeChamp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The phrasing is very snopes. Vague but specific for the one part you're trying to confuse. Sidious got Plagueis drunk and killed him. Darth Krayt didn't rule anything during that time frame. Smh.

  • @shadowstalkermk-2681
    @shadowstalkermk-2681 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Im late

  • @mattnar3865
    @mattnar3865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Getting pretty bored of almost every Sith being described as the most powerful of all time. Same with Jedi, plenty of people describe both Yoda and Luke as the most powerful light side user of all time.

    • @94462
      @94462 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think each Sith and jedi are the MOST strongest in their own way

  • @tabansteintv
    @tabansteintv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It makes sense that other sith would come out of hidding once Sidious is gone (post episode 9) Bring the sith back and perhaps i can forgive the sequel.

    • @masc6287
      @masc6287 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      One idea they could use is the Sith having a fail safe in case both master and apprentice died within the rule of two a contingency plan would take affect where a specialised Sith assassin/battle/protocol Droid (practically a Sith version of the character ) possessing the entirety of the Sith's teaching and holocrons would go out into the galaxy to stealthly recruit and teach new Sith acolytes to restart the Sith order from scratch.

  • @Carlos-fh8wk
    @Carlos-fh8wk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The expanded universe will always top the mouse.

  • @bradsmithy4380
    @bradsmithy4380 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Laughs in plotting, 4d chess Darth Jar Jar.

  • @Spacewaifu898
    @Spacewaifu898 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very cool dad!

  • @ultragoldcoin8780
    @ultragoldcoin8780 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazon rainforest is burning 💥🔥

    • @rxdntpto
      @rxdntpto 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      UltraGoldCoin what are you doing to help it by commenting about it in a Star Wars video

  • @brucejedilee5290
    @brucejedilee5290 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if the Resurgent Sith Empire (SWTOR) invaded the Federation from Star Trek?

    • @blackshogun272
      @blackshogun272 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bruce Jedi Lee a lot of intentional civilian slaughters are gonna happen 😐

    • @vos7619
      @vos7619 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sith Empire STOMPS...wtf lol

    • @brucejedilee5290
      @brucejedilee5290 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vos7619 I wouldn't be to sure. I mean the Federations ships are fairly strong. They are also more mobile than the Siths, though don't have as much firepower.

    • @brucejedilee5290
      @brucejedilee5290 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@blackshogun272 Well depends on the Sith or admiral in charge. But yeah, it'll be bloody

  • @Jedi_Spartan
    @Jedi_Spartan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    #AskEck
    Seeing as it's Canon (partly) through Star Wars: Commander, is it possible that the Galactic Empire's Project: Blackwing had a secret objective of unlocking immortality (possibly based on one of Plagueis's attempts) and used by Palpatine around the time of the Battle of Endor? Seeing as the original version of the virus in Legends was created by Darth Drear in order to achieve immortality for Sith Lords, something Canon Palpatine was looking for due to believing that the Empire shouldn't out live him. (17th attempt, please answer).

  • @Iorvethfox
    @Iorvethfox 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The rule of 2 was a mistake.

  • @Thestray187
    @Thestray187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They like street gangs these days. So many bloods n crips but none r the original so they consider wannabes. Lol

  • @PhilipLeFou
    @PhilipLeFou 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank fucking god I've been wondering about this

  • @friezasama8860
    @friezasama8860 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hold up My love but in Legends Papaltine destroyed or controlled all other dark siders. The only ones I can think of are the lost tribe and those hiding on korriban I think those were retcons tho.

  • @muffinsmcgeez4899
    @muffinsmcgeez4899 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Abeloth saga so should have been ep 7-9, that or thrawn, but personally I preferred Abeloth.

  • @PennyGraham
    @PennyGraham 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    115th like

  • @kenhernandez8128
    @kenhernandez8128 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only 2 Sith.

  • @RikkiTikkiTavi290
    @RikkiTikkiTavi290 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Grand Lord Vol actually struck a serious blow against Abeloth in the dream where she attempted to corrupt and consume his mind. Used a Force power to like attack and extinguish a portion of Abeloth somehow an was only ever used by Luke otherwise. When Vol attacked Abeloth she was caught completely by surprise and she was totally incapacitated, going on to release her anger at the pain from the attack by melting the capital city of Kesh shortly after Vol narrowly escaped.

  • @carrierominger5534
    @carrierominger5534 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    United Mass Effect galaxy + the Reapers vs a Yuzhan Vong invasion

  • @TheWingland
    @TheWingland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    #askeck Halo theory idea
    What if the UNSC had never researched the spartan 2 or mjolnir programs. However one month after first contact with the covenant the UNSC INFINITY and her escort fleet of Autumn class cruisers appear at earth through a wormhole. The ships are fully operational and have manuals detailing how all ship systems, such as shielding and more advanced slipsace, operate and also how to build them for other ships. However it goes not have the spartan 4s. How does this affect the human covenant war? Does humanity win or lose ?

  • @vismundcygnus2800
    @vismundcygnus2800 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wait, John Tesh has his own Sith planet in Legends?! This changes everything!

  • @cloud218
    @cloud218 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always wondered if the rule of two meant that there weren’t only two in the whole galaxy or that each master can only have one disciple at a time.

    • @gaminghabit9121
      @gaminghabit9121 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It means that the main sith will be two of them. But there are always more sith at any one time

  • @VerusThaddeus
    @VerusThaddeus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    palpatines 9 to 5 is training acolytes

  • @captainsupreme2323
    @captainsupreme2323 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    #AskEck
    When I played Star Wars Empire at War: Forces of Corruption, I remember seeing some of Palpatine's dark side trainees (or whatever they're called) in the museum on Coruscant (the mission where you have to grab the holocron with Tyber Zann). These sith could teleport or do something similiar, maybe just creating illusions, but what was it exactly? Was this ever mentioned outside of the game?

    • @zillafire101
      @zillafire101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They're Dark Side Adepts. I think they just represent the various force users and dark Jedi Palpatine had under his command, without using Inquisitors or another group.

  • @daviddiab7551
    @daviddiab7551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The one sith is my favorite dark side faction in the expanded universe

  • @rsmithel8789
    @rsmithel8789 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope they bring back Darth Krayt (A'Sharad Hett) in the Obi Wan series!!!!!

  • @gsthomas187
    @gsthomas187 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd love if you would go further into the history of the sith themselves, and perhaps into their culture. Things like their homeworld(s) and the nature of the sith in general over time.

  • @themarquinainstitute3584
    @themarquinainstitute3584 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    amazing that lost tribe of the sith survive that long , given that the sith has a self destructive behavoir

  • @Donnirononon
    @Donnirononon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Could there be jedi/sith (force fanatics) outside the galaxy? Maybe there is a huge sith empire or something

    • @k1llsw1tch65
      @k1llsw1tch65 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well the unknown regions are still mostly unexplored so i wouldnt be surprised if there are sith on the other side. Besides sidious did mwntion that he sensed a dark presence calli g to him from the unknown so who knows maybe some other sith was trying to reach/ contact palpatine.

    • @TheMaster1237
      @TheMaster1237 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@k1llsw1tch65 dam for real?

    • @Donnirononon
      @Donnirononon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheMaster1237 Well i meant more like outside the sw galaxy, beyond the hyperspace disturbances. I wonder if the force is unique to the sw galaxy or if it affects the whole universe. that leads to the question what is going to happen if the force births a entity that is strong with it to bring balance but it is in the wrong place?

  • @skyguy5763
    @skyguy5763 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was so looking forward to Jedi master jaina solo fel hunting the lost tribe😥

  • @Caleb_Plehn
    @Caleb_Plehn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    #askeck
    Was Thrawn an average Chiss, or was he extraordinary even by their own standards?

    • @jedislap8726
      @jedislap8726 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      In the current books it seems Thrawn is more than just average, higher tactical awareness, more clinical in his thoughts. For these reason he is sent to work with the Empire.

    • @Caleb_Plehn
      @Caleb_Plehn 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jedislap8726 Got it. Thanks!

  • @newshamhouse
    @newshamhouse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and channel💚 I love learning the history around the star wars universe

  • @KhairulFadzlyAKarim
    @KhairulFadzlyAKarim 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always felt the depictions of the Sith Academies or how the Sith trains are not quite right because how they portrayed and operates makes me doubt on how they can last for a long time. To me while the Sith embraced the dark sides and strong emotions what makes them strong are their strength of will and order. They make uses of the negative emotions to strengthen themselves yet do not let the emotions guide their actions, if it looks like they do its all calculated to maximize its effects because they never let it blinds them. The Sith Lords are calculating and devious, and their training is how to control the strong emotions in them. Kylo Ren can never be a Sith Lord because he lets his emotions runs wild yet did not learn how to controls it.

  • @Siluvian
    @Siluvian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about Darth Binks?

  • @gokbay3057
    @gokbay3057 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if during the Mass Effect first contact with the Humans instead of the Systems Alliance, the Citadel races meet the UNSC (before the first contact with the Covenant)?