Super Mario Bros Special for NEC PC-88 & Sharp X1 - Killgruz
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Today I'm talking about Super Mario Bros Special for the Sharp X1 and NEC PC-88 series of home computers. This is an official release of Super Mario Bros that has not been re-released, most likely due to the difficult controls, challenging levels, and limited colors. In this video I talk a bit about the history, how to setup the game if you want to try it, and give my thoughts about it.
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Such an interesting game, and I'm happy to have played all the way through it. Anyone else ever beat this one?
Never know about it,but i gonna go download it and play it
At some point I played on a PC 98 once. This game was running on it and I only made it up to like 2-2 before it crashed on me
I finished the rom hack it wasn't bad but there's a lot of blind jumps because it scrolls normally
I played the maps in Mario Crossover.
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Yeah, I really don't think that it's suited for the original Super Mario Bros. engine
I love how Mario just slides up to the Princess at the end of the game
I also love that the ending has the ever endearing “CONGRATURATIONS”.
they screwed it up at the easiest part of it
AVGN is triggered.
Atleast they gave you more than one. Some games would just give you a Congraturation. Just a single congraturation they had laying around at the game make place.
Classic80sStuff you’re right
Believe it or not a lot of video games that were translated from Japanese titles spelled congratulations that way.
Interesting that this is where Mario first flew.
With a P-wing no less.
And a second time with a hammer.
This game needs to be more well-known!
BlackSkul1_TH-cam Boi third
Swam, but whatever, same thing
Another option for playing these levels: Super Mario Crossover. That awesome game over on Exploding Rabbit got the Sharp X1 version's levels and graphics added in, and there's even matching palettes for the other characters. If you want a pure experience, just play the game as only Mario.
Didn't know that. But I didn't play Crossover since at least 5 years. xD Nice to know.
The scrolling for the sharp mario bros special feels like megaman
Fun fact: ID software's John Carmack managed to get scrolling working on a PC, reverse engineered and ported Mario 3 to it and asked Nintendo if they wanted a PC port of the game, but Nintendo said no.
Later they used their knowledge to make Commander Keen.
Yeah. A little ironic, huh?
They only did the first world of the game.
@@HeathenDance I know. It was a proof of concept.
@@mohammedganai9636 Nintendo made the right choice. Keeping Mario as an exclusive to their systems, boosted sales. Plus, back in the 80's and early 90's, PC games were ridiculously easy to pirate. Do you know that massively popular PC game from that era, the original Prince of Persia? I had it on my computer, all of my friends who owned computers had the game. Neither of us BOUGHT the game. It was simply passed from one pirate floppy disk to another.
@@HeathenDance yet they comissioned super mario special...curious
More odd they allowed this, yet went mad when Id Software and Rainbow Arts pitched Super Mario ports
Sadly, emotions are fleeting, especially over there. One would even be hard-pressed to call it a mood-swing. Nintendo must not have realized yet that they had a hit and didn't care, and once they did..........was SMB Special sold at all?
Good ol' Larry
Japanese company VS US company.
@@invghost
The problem was Miyamoto. The reason why Rare was unaffected is because they had a direct relationship with the board of Nintendo (and probably why Miyamoto did not like Rare.)
Shigeru Miyamoto may be good at making games but he's an asshole.
Exacta-mondo ya gaming commando.
About that South Korean version and South Korean retro gaming in general:
South Korea was a dictatorship when Super Mario Bros came out. Just two years afterwards, it became a democracy. (Surprising, right?) For this reason, the Hyundai Comboy (Korean NES based off the American version) and Japanese Famicom were able to coexist in South Korea. I have also been to Yongsan, an electronics district in Seoul, and I have seen games imported from Japan, as well as Korean language games coded for the Japanese region.
But Japanese imports from Japanese companies were banned until 1998. A black market exists in South Korea selling Japanese games, and Korean language versions of officially licensed games for less than the MSRP the developer priced it at. I bought Super Mario Maker 2 in South Korea for $48, when Nintendo was selling it for $56 there.
Apparently my father in law bought my wife (when she was a kid obviously) something called a gam boy (which I thought was a Game Boy), which after finding Alex Kidd ROMs and loading them into a Master System emulator, I realized what it actually was - a Samsung Sega!
Sadly, thrown out decades ago. Koreans never keep anything old :(
@@the_kombinator > _Apparently my father in law bought my wife (when she was a kid obviously)_
Man, things sure have changed since then.
@@Yusuke_Denton I'm still waiting for my dowry - 7 years later...
@@Yusuke_Denton LOL.
The "Lucky Star" in Super Mario Bros. Special functions similarly to the "Moon" in Super Mario Maker 2. Both clear out one screen of enemies with one touch!
They should add the Lucky Star if they ever make a Super Mario Maker 3.
EDIT: I'm okay with Super Mario Maker 2. SMM3 would be good, but I'm fine with Super Mario Maker 2.
@@nogodcansaveyou enable poison mushrooms on daytime or insert all of enemies in smb1 smb2 smb3 smbu and smw sm3dw .
@@0xx0_Lester We still need a new Game Style to fit the void next to 3D World style. But that likely won't happen
@@nogodcansaveyou What are your thoughts on having enemies from Donkey Kong, Mario Bros., and Super Mario Land be part of a hypothetical Mario Maker 3?
@@zigazav1 And it didn't!
10:58 "Ello, e'princess..." *Creepily crouch slides eye to eye with her*
Really cool to see all the weird power ups demonstrated. I'd like to see you cover all the weird Japanese computer ports of early NES games. There's even a weird version of Donkey Kong 3 that was only recently discovered. Keep up the great and weird work, Killgruz!
Can we talk about how well put-together this video is?
Since this video was published, there is a "35th Anniversary" ROM hack of the original Super Mario Bros, turning it into quite the definitive experience. Regular Mario game engine, levels from Special, new enemies and power-ups from Special too.
A Mario Maker 2 version of this would be interesting!
Kyle07 I’ll make it and share the course ID when I’m done.
@@qynzeljones nice
Here’s Level 1! 8CV-M61-QBG
Will work on the rest soon.
Edit: LEVEL 2 is finished! XY2-WP5-X9G
how do I type Now I need to reply to you to get this comment thread to the top of the comments section the next time I load this video.
There's a full SMB1 romhack of it
"Copy that floppy!" 😂
I was going to say that
7:08
Disc Protector is about to fuck some shit up
@Crow Migration flappy disk are good for piriting Gameboy games because the have just enough memory.
I flop that cop!
"Congraturations!"
I do find it interesting that some elements from Super Mario Maker 2 seemed to originate (in terms of being in a Mario platformer) here.
- The Icicle
- The Hammer Suit (3D World)
- The Moon (kinda. Here it's the lucky star)
Hammer suit is in Mario 3.
@@DenkyManner Interesting that it originated here.
Let's see Darbian speed run this one!
Good format , scripting, editing and narration. Definitely do more, even tho I love your codes vids!
Thanx man! I never have heard of this. Gonna go hunt it down...and its all thanx to u:) i love weird shit like this. Keep up the awesome videos!!
It wasn’t until 1990 that smooth side scrolling was possible on PC. In fact, the guy that worked out how to do it was one of the creators of Doom - John Carmack.
Contrary to popular belief, Mario 2(J) wasn’t unrelased only because of difficulty, but rather because the wounds left from the crash of ‘83 were still fresh, and they didn’t want to release a game that people would find unplayable due to any factors, be it difficulty, game design, or some other third thing, because the ET game was panned for similar reasons regarding difficulty (it was too cryptic for its time and getting out of the holes where items were hidden was a chore). The fact that the first mushroom many players saw was a poison mushroom, coupled with the fact that nobody would want to watch the attract mode to figure this out (Mario dies by collecting the mushroom in the attract mode) raised a red flag and the game wasn’t denied release in the US. Still, we did get a glimpse of some of the game’s stages in the arcade version of Super Mario Brothers, as that version contained new levels that were eventually recycled in Mario 2(J) along with other aspects such as the game’s slightly updated font style.
Matt Ring I never had problems playing E.T. for the Atari 2600. Some players were just inept.
I heard a different theory: SMB2J was too similar to SMB1 and as such Nintendo thought people in the U.S. wouldn't pay for the basically same thing a second time, just with different levels, so they've made Doki Doki Panic romhack. And the difficulty was another factor.
Wrong. What actually happened was NoA's JP game reviewer got sent a copy of SMB2J by NoJ to review and decide if it would be suitable in the West. After playing it he immediately died to the poison mushroom in 1-1 and overall found the game too frustrating and not fun to play, so he promptly rejected it.
So it wasn't not released due to difficulty, but rather not released due to difficulty.
Gotcha.
@@Radeo LOL, I was going to write the same thing. Wtf?
Finally someone talks about this
Your channel is incredible, clearly a ton of work and I could bet it'll pay off soon. I enjoy watching the best smaller channels I can find and usually within a year they gain tons of viewership. I think youtubes algorithm tends to recommend me the channels on the verge of popularity, because I could list dozens of channels I've seen go from 10k to 100k in less than a year. Yours seems no different as it's clearly a ton of time and effort, which people do notice as well as a bit niche. Those are the ones that really gain activity. Good luck though, I won't be surprised when I see your channel boom.
I knew nothing about this prior to your video here, so thanks for putting this on my radar. Great work as usual!
i like how it says „congraturations“ at the end
Cool video and nice voice. Thanks for this overview of both games. I knew about them for years but not the background and I certainly didn't know that there were home computer ports of Excitebike and Ice Climber! :O
"I'm sure you know the story of this by now."
* proceeds to tell story anyway *
r0bw00d Yeah... Sure, Mister “Google it.”
Well, I don't rightly know how you misinterpreted my comment that badly, but you did. Take two!
r0bw00d Nah, I’ll pass, Sorry though if I sounded rude, I just don’t like it when people bash others for not knowing something instead of actually explaining it, trust me, I’m a member of GBAtemp, I get that shit all the time. Sorry,
I didn't do that.
@@satan2583 He didn't though
The "Special" logo on the title screen was later repurposed in Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, on Game Boy Color. It's the same typeface, the same offset text.
OMG I JUST CLICKED THE THUMBNAIL WITHOUT THINKING AND I HEARD YOUR VOICE AND I INSTANTLY GOT EXCITED!
I thought I knew pretty much everything about older Mario games, this proved me wrong, never heard of these, thanks!
Technically, The Lost levels was released in the arcades in the United States under “Super Mario Bros Vs.” and this type of scrolling is called “push-scrolling”.
That's just a port of SMB1 to arcades
Not quite. What happened was that Nintendo made an arcade version of Super Mario Bros called Super Mario Bros Vs. In order to increase the difficulty (and get more quarters) they added some harder levels. Those harder levels were the inspiration for Super Mario Bros 2 (Japanese), and some were even included in the new game.
So, to simplify, SMBVs came first, and they ported some of the levels to SMB2j
@@ZipplyZane I meant that "VS" came out first, but was technically similar to "Lost Levels".
So, when are we getting the Mario Maker remake of these levels? Who will be the brave soul?
I just found this channel and didn't realize how many different smb stuff is out there. Its actually some really entertaining videos.
Your channel is so interesting. I didn’t know I cared or found any of this interesting until I found your videos. This really brings a fun twist and alternate realty to my childhood (born in ‘87).
Some people like me find the color palette pretty cool. The deep blue sky with bright red ground and bricks gives a nice warmth feeling to it.
You are great at these types of videos! You should make more.
Im glad this was in my feed.
Finally, I never thought someone would even cover this game in depth
Very cool version! I liked how they added new powerups and new enemies and the level design looks challenging and exciting.
WHAT??? !!! I've never seen this, ever! GREAT JOB!
I love the color pallet. Reminds me of a blacklight poster you'd have in your bedroom in high school. This is one of the games you can play in Super Mario Crossover, with different characters and skins. I think they have SMB 1 + 2 + Special
Mario McHomero. Great vid bro. Ty for putting it together
Wow! Can't believe I've never heard of these! Thanks for the info!
These levels aren't just lost, they were buried before they were dug up again in Super Mario Bros. Crossover.
And like many retro games out there, it was never ported to another console. Not even as Virtual Console content
Neat stuff. Looking at the footage, it's interesting how much the PC-88 relied on dithering to achieve different color tones. Not particularly appealing today, for obvious reasons. I'd love to give the Sharp X1 version a try sometime.
Honestly, some PCs of the '80s would've been able to match or even exceed the NES, with enough effort. Hudson was just limited by their own partnerships with Sharp and NEC, I think. If they'd developed an MSX2 or especially an MSX2+ version of this game (which they could've, since it was an open platform, but I assume Nintendo had some restrictions, maybe?), it could've been pretty stellar. Heck, I think even MSX1 could've handled this with a bit of programming wizardry, as I've seen some crazy things done on MSX1 hardware. And if this had happened just a BIT LATER, they easily could've gone with PC-98 instead of PC-88, which would've been able to run circles around NES hardware, as that machine was getting into 16-bit territory.
The Sharp X1 and PC-88 especially, though, were just very limited machines. I think even an MS-DOS machine from the era could've outdone either of them, save for maybe the audio (unless the MS-DOS machine had a sound card installed).
I think part of the problem, too, was simply that Hudson of the time really just... wasn't very good at programming for microcomputers. They DID release a handful of MSX games, for instance, but most are sluggish and kind of clunky compared to other MSX games of the era (the MSX version of Adventure Island, for instance, is borderline unplayable and woefully incomplete, containing only 4 stages total). So this was a bit doomed from the start -- though it was an ambitious undertaking, at least!
Earlier this year, someone released a Commodore 64 port of SMB1. They actually took the original NES version, disassembled it, and made the changes so it would run on the Commodore. On a stock C64, it runs a bit slow due to slower clock on the 64, but playable. Definitely more so than the NEC version in this video. Add an aftermarket accelerator or run it on the Commodore 128, and it runs as smooth as the NES. It definitely proves your point about PCs of the time being able to handle NES games.
Of course, Nintendo didn't like it, so a cease and desist order was sent within a couple days of release. Can't affect Nintendo's cash cow, after all.
@@CorySticha The C64 is a decently powerful machine, actually. In many ways more so than the PC-88, which had some significant visual limitations in particular. Technically, it had a better screen resolution than most game consoles of the time, but that was about the only plus in a sea of a minuses. The PC-88 is just... not a great machine.
The MSX2, though, is more powerful than a C64 by far, and technically more powerful than an NES aside from the lack of hardware scrolling and (I think?) a slightly slower clock speed. Both of which would be remedied with the MSX2+ revision, and then absolutely TROUNCED with the MSX turboR revision.
Imagine if they used the Sharp X68000 instead! It was released in 1987, which is late, but still within the time frame. It's really surprising that Nintendo even allowed this, especially considering that id Software created a Super Mario Bros 3 PC game that ran on MSDOS, and it was fantastic! Only, Nintendo wouldn't license to them...
@@Wyrdwad at least the pc-88 has awesome sound if you had one with an OPNA chip.
@@jc_dogen That is very true! I absolutely love the soundtrack to The Scheme on OPNA.
I rather like the sounds of all the old retro computers, though. The base PC-88 and PC-98 sound can do great things as well, the C64 SID chip is iconic, and the MSX has good PSG, even better OPLL (I love the sound of the MSX's OPLL!), and Konami's SCC standard in some of their games, as well as certain indie homebrews. Not to mention after-market sound chips like the OPL4 cartridge and such.
Most thorough video I've seen about this game.
Glad people are finally breaking out PC-88 emulators to give us English speakers info about classic Japanese titles.
Really awesome. I remember as a kid having weird dreams that there were tons of lost mario games that I would come across in the dream. Now it's becoming a reality kinda strange to me.
Love your vids killgruz
I also see the power ups on the lastest version of SMB Crossover and it's amazing and you can still check it out online
Dude ! Ive never seen the other versions of this .awesome video.. im promoting this on my channel.
This is so nostalgic. I used to watch this.
The things you say in your narration for the video here are hilarious at times! Therefore, I subscribed to you! :)
Just when I thought I knew everything about Mario. Seeing the Mario Bros and Donkey Kong stuff blew my mind!
One of the very best Chanel’s on TH-cam .
Thanks! Great game! I playted)))
You give such unique content, with such a soothing voice. Dang man, way to find a niche in such a saturated ‘gaming’ segment of youtube. I really hope the algorithm/some YT employee comes across your videos and throws you on trending to get the subscribers you deserve. You’re 10x the quality of tons of channels with millions of followers.
I doubt it will help him much if that happens, allot of TH-cam content on the Trending tab is (like enemy spam levels in Mario Maker) hot garbage content to gamers.
I thought that this was just a port...
BUT THIS IS AWESOME!
Great Video Killgruz.
Thank you for this video, played both on original hardware. X1 version is quite ok, 8801 is a mess :-)
Some of those inbetween screen jumps made me tense up. I couldnt imagine trying to causally play that lol
I remember watching the gaming historian's video of this, but I I liked how you review added some more stuff I didn't know. I definitely wouldn't want to play this game except for the novelty of it I guess, especially with its performance issues.
There's a fangame called super mario brothers crossover 3, and you can play through SMBS with proper scrolling in it, as well as with other classic NES characters.
Congraturations!
You should definitely try the nes rom hack by Frantik, it's the definitive way to play the game and it actually stands pretty close in quality to the original Super Mario Bros.
10:52 we have to talk about hitboxes i guess.
But a nice game.
Never heard of this, really cool
Congraturations!!
At 4:36, the refresh rate was set to 60 Hz (the standard in NTSC countries such as the US, Canada, Japan, and South Korea)
I only knew of this game through Super Mario Crossover 3. What a great fan game!
Definitely the most interesting and in-depth look I've ever seen of these weird, fascinating little ports. I feel like it's unfair to completely judge the games based on the emulator experience, compared to how they may have performed on the original hardware - something which is obviously extremely difficult to see now.
it's just as bad and well documented on other youtube channels
congraturations!
Regular uploads! Woo!!
0:27 "It's a pretty well-toad story" got ya there
These power ups are amazing! Imagine having Mario’s dad’s hammer from the original Donkey Kong in Super Mario... that’s pretty much this... 👍
But Jumpman is Mario himself, not Mario's dad. Shigeru Myamotto confirm it himself.
@@retrofan4963 then what does that make Cranky? A Time Traveller?!?
@@robbiewalker2831 Apes age faster than humans. That's why Cranky aged to an elder while Mario and Pauline are still young.
Crazy how I don't think I've never heard of this before.
Great video. I never knew. On PC.
My friend in the 90's had a "Mario" game for the Atari 2600, almost certainly unlicensed. You you play as Mario or Luigi, and it was otherwise like a scrolling Donkey Kong with green pipes, don't remember much else about it. I wanted to play the Mafia game he had with badass cover art, but his dad told us we needed to "learn" the "kiddy" mario game first before playing the "adult" mafia game.
I have looked at a bunch of NEC PC88 games and Sharp X1 games and all I will say is that in almost every case of games being on the NEC PC88 and Sharp X1, the Sharp X1 looks better almost every time.
Nice game ! There was somebody named Mr. Poodooboo or something like that who did a let's play of this game way back in the early days of TH-cam, idk if it's still up or not though !
JoyToKey works for keyboard to gamepad input too.
The PC-88 version has a game-breaking error regarding the IPL Switch on some copies. When transitioning from World 8-3 to World 8-4, the game will freeze on a blank screen that says: "DISK ERROR! PLEASE TURN IPL SWITCH ON!" Which essentially hardlocks the entire game, making it unbeatable.
CONGRATURATIONS!
Congraturations.
Someone remake this game into an SMB1 rom-hack.
I was done long ago. Look it.
Congraturations...
@killgruz what this that music from at 0:57 thanks =)
Try playing the Super Mario Bros Crossover flash game! It has options to play SMB, SMB lost levels and SMB Special as well!
there’s a level set in mario crossover
if i’m correct. all the new power ups are there and the physics were redone so it controls smoothly. you could even use a controller if you’d like
just remembered, it’s only in version 3.0
The PC-88 version looks so sad... :(
it doesnt look good today but I am 100% sure I would have gone insane playing this as a kid in the 80s
The reason that the corruption of world 4-4 is because some PC-88 copies were missing data to load any world properly, rendering most copies unbeatable. (6:38)
Also, really hope that a copy of the South Korean Samsung SPC-1500 version is out there somewhere, waiting to be dumped. (3:42) Until now, the rumored third release remains lost media.
That old school bomberman theme brings back good memories
There's a rom hack for this, it corrects the scrolling so it plays like a regular Mario game on the NES.
CONGRATURATIONS
Just awesome
I DIDNT know the story about this!!!
Very interesting!
Imo the best way to play this game is usually ng Mari0. Basically all the new things Special introduced are in the mappack if you use Alesans's entities.