How Eren justified genocide
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One thing people miss is that Eren sacrificed his freedom for his people, friends and the founder Ymir. Ymir sent him a memories from the start of the show and i beleived that the time he remembers that memory was when he touched historia. That was the exact moment he knew his fate has been sealed. This is why Eren actually got piss at Armin at the table scene when Armin mentioned Eren being a slave.
True, it Hurts when people Tell u what u don't wanna hear
Eren sent those memories himself, he is the mastermind behind all of it
That's the cruel irony of it all. Eren, whos been obsessed with his idea of 'freedom' from day 1, has been a slave to fate from the very beginning. Such a beautiful yet tragic story
@@vin8754 everyone is
@@Kev.R23 yes but at least we aren't cursed to know how our lives will play out, Eren doesn't get that luxury. From the moment he touched historias hand he knew he was fated to manipulate his own father into murdering the reiss family (including their children), to cause the death of his own mother and to cause the deaths of billions with the rumbling.
Marley´s main justification for war to the eyes of the world was that Paradise broke the truce by letting someone like Eren take control over the founding titan but to be fair, Marley was the one that really broke it first (and several times):
-First they willingly sent hundreds (if not thousands) of their own eldians to Paradise and transformed them into titans to devour the native eldians. That alone is an act of war and an attempt of genocide.
-Eren Kruger stole the attacking titan and transferred it to Grisha Jeager to continue his mission in Paradise. Marley could think eldians from Paradise were also conspiring to steal their titans but that was outside the control of the eldian royal family so Paradise didnt do nothing wrong there (until Eren stole the warhammer titan from them).
-Marley sent the expedition of Marcel, Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie with the intention of capturing the founding titan from the eldian royal family and bringing it back home. That would have left Paradise completely defendless and it would have been an easy prey for conquest by marleyan authorities.
Marley had military, political and economic motivations to wage war against Paradise regardless what the eldians living there chose to do.
The comment you made really has some good points. Really show how hypocritical Marley has been.
Not to mention they let KIDS go on the mission, even though Reiner,bert,Annie and marcel wanted to do it anyway that says a lot about Marley
@@videodimension69 dude the peace treaty made by creating a fake halo was never going to last coz the hatred doesn't go away this easily n hence the marley suffered under eldia then eldia under marley n continues till one of them ceases to exist but, is it really fault of marley or the cruel king who had ymir or the next generation ppl of eldia who suppressed marley or the creature which gave ymir power... Marley had upper hand after halos peace treaty and they were also powerful due to power of titans which resulting marley in exploiting neighboring countries... This basically goes on to show power corrupt ppl n makes them misuse them perhaps the founding titan should take away thr power of titans from all 9 titans or make eldian unable to transform into titan ?? No, there will be still suffering of eldian as they is already hatred on them n they were really backward before hiruzumaki helped them n still lack many things so suffering is an endless thing n power in ppl creates suffering, sufferers seek power so that they don't suffer continuing the cycle.
So, best way is to maintain a balance till war break out... Basically when the founding titan took eldians to reside in walls it was the best way unless ppl could communicate their exact emotion n everyone was more understanding of each other
Marley was conducting military operations BEFORE Eren took over - that was just a convenient excuse.
They wanted the founding titan to do the rumbling against their enemies as they were afraid Titans were becoming obsolete.
They wanted the resources on Paradise.
They wanted to eradicate all Eldians.
Kruger didn't steal the attack Titan, Marley never secured it.
Marley tricked their enemies into joining them to attack Paradise, to get the founding titan to use on them.
@@Popikawaii yea, that is example of absolute power leading to disaster...
As only eldians can inherit those they are a superior race than others but as shown in anime it really does depend on situation
The whole point being a strong n a weak person (country in this sense) co-existing
i like how you put what we feel about Eren into clear words.
Thank you mate (:
Yeah
"we"
Eren is objectively right. He gave Marley many chances. They knew Paradis had The Rumbling as a trump card but they wanted beef anyway. I mean, they sent 4 of their titan shifters and only returned with 2 (Basically only Reiner returned since the Jaw titan wasn't a warrior). Marley's warriors failed but they wanted round 2 anyway. They did it to themselves.
He objectively is not. What the fuck are you talking about. Much of the last episodes show exactly why what he's doing is wrong. The "right" thing to do was go with the plan to activate a smaller rumbling and de-militarize Marley, and then impose an embargo of sorts in order to strongarm global negotiations and reach armistice and peace for Eldians. Slaughtering the entire planet was not in any way the right thing to do when the issue was largely a geopolitical strategy to attack Paradis.
don't forget that he let Tyler to announce the war on Paradis first before he started to attack
He's right to start a genocide?
@@soraexe5640 True respect lmfao.
Eren: "I'll let you have your grand final words. Before i end you all."
@@soraexe5640
that was a requirement to go beast mode and break the vow renouncing war, insane detail isn't it?
Honestly the rumbling if it’s anyone’s fault is the worlds fault for not letting go of the past when they should have
The true villain fr are ignorance and hatred
You can't really wipe out a past like that in the blink of an eye. It's crazy how you can think this.
@@SuperBrahimos Ok ?
@@marcomarco7750 dawg you can’t hold a race accountable for something that happened 100 years ago
@@TheEmperorOfViltrum If that race was the one who did that thing, you can.
And then Eren turned into a bird
Tatacaw
To poop on all of marley's cars
lol I just wished this anime would have an actual good ending because of how sad it was the entire time, how depressing all the mass murder and sacrifices were. And by good ending I mean Eren and Mikasa living together and having a good life. Seeing how she got married to another person later on kind of struck me, and when she died that was the final nail in the coffin, literally. But it was all meant to happen anyway. Most anime’s i’ve seen so far don’t have happy endings, usually all just sacrifice after sacrifice all for nothing.
Funniest sh*t I have ever seen.
The way I see it is;
From the beginning, King Fritz warned the outside if they messed around with Paradis then the arsenal of titans surrounding the walls would be unleashed.
The main reason for Marley infiltrating Paradis was for the metal underneath the island (and mass slaughter on the "devil's" inside the wall - like one of the marley peeps said two birds one stone)
So at the end of the day, Marley brought it on themselves and Eren made good of King Fritz warning, one which they should have listened to.
They did get a lot of warnings..
I can’t understand, how can you justify killing billions because of the ignorant decision of the few. Would it be justifiable to kill off all germans after the holocaust? Even the ones supporting it. It’s quite a dangerous idea that it’s okay to kill those, who desire death to others. And also the dichotomy of “it’s either the death of all eldians, or the death of everyone beyond the walls” is false, every dichotomy is always false. Aot is a set timeline, so when Eren saw the glimpses of the future, he didn’t see all pf the versions of what could happen, he saw what will happen, as a result of his choices. It was never established that there was no solution that ensured the survival of Paradis that didn’t involve genocide. Eren’s plan to end the cycle of hatred by killing everyone outside is at its root the same, as Marley’s plan to kill all eldians, therefore ending titans and the cycle of hatred, and it’s the same as Zeke’s euthanisation plan, it’s all false. Removing people that you have a hard time not hating will not free you from hatred. It’s like Armin said “in what way are you free?”. Reiner said something once that kinda summarised my point “Eren is the last person that should have that power” Eren possessing the founder and committing global atrocity is the same as Marley possessing it and doing the same. If Armin had a founder, I believe that he would have found a way to ensure peace, at least safety for Paradis without the genocide. Even since the first season, he was always way wiser and better adjusted than Eren, and actually had a correct take and understanding of freedom
King fritz words are of a threat and had no meaning
Paradise have been a natzi race from the beginning and they suddenly go in a wall saying peace out in the middle of there conquest
Lol u can't blame the world for being scared and wanting to rid of them
What guarantee is there for the world that they will not just simply start conquring again one day!?
He destroyed pretty much the whole world, not only Marley. He killed billions (probably) of innocent people because of what the people in power did.
@@videodimension69imagine justifying King Fritz warning after he just ended a war that ended in triple the world's population being wiped out. That's so stupid
Imagine if Nazi Germany agreed to peace talks, but then threatened to kill everyone if they went to look for reprisals, and then moved to an isolated place. Does that make up for the millenia of persecution?
Karl Fritz had good intentions but was a coward. He ended the war that saw up to a trillion non Eldians killed but instead of facing the consequences, he decided to move his people inside the walls and started threatening everyone else instead of building peace between the 2 countries
That's not how you end conflict
This is not a story about good versus evil, or right versus wrong. In truth, it's a cautionary tale about the only thing hatred will ever lead to: cataclysm.
Smart comment
Also ignorance is a sin, blind sheep breeds senseless hatred
hating ppl who can turn into +15 meters human eaters isn't ignorance and blindness lmao, it's basing survival instinct@@truthboom
@@daeith1233 same kind of logic as hating the entire human race because of multiple criminal that murders another with a gun to sell their organ since it's high in demand in medical field
@@daeith1233 You're thinking in simple terms. That's not what this comment is about.
Here is the crux of the issue. The world hates the eldians for crimes committed by SOMEONE ELSE. THEIR ANCESTORS. Meanwhile every single eldian alive is a victim of current atrocities committed upon them by marley and the global alliance.
Essentially, the crimes of the eldian ancestors (if they ever happened) are stories that happened to other people, while the crimes of marley and the global alliance are happening now and have impacted every single eldian alive.
Hell even the last pages of the manga show that Eren made a mistake by sparing 20% of humanity.
True, al though i couldnt mention it in the video i did take some routes because of the ending
It wasn't their ancestors though. It was literally 100 years ago. These aren't your ancestors. Those are your parents and grandparents generation.
Not to mention, Eldia paid nothing for their crimes. Imagine thinking that retreating to a private island and threatening everyone else that your family hurt to stay away or die, makes up for the 2 millenia of killing and slavery that your family perpetuated across the world. 3 times the world's population was killed off by the Eldians. That isn't a light number. You expect them to just leave that especially after being told to suck it up?
There's a reason why people in real life tend to be cautious of the people that harmed them earlier on in their life, regardless of whether they've changed or not
The fact that you have the question if the crimes of the Eldians was real already shows your bias. So Isayama showing us flashbacks of the Marleyans oppressing Eldians is true and all but the flashbacks of the Eldians oppressing Marleyans is questionable?
The last pages show that regardless of what happened, conflict would've still continued. Even if Eren completed the Rumbling, the end pages could still potentially show Paradis Island get destroyed by internal conflict. But then again, yall would just blame that on Marley too lmao
@@willisstillhere8846 that's an extreme stance imo.
It was their ancestors, it was definitely not their parents generation if the events we are talking about happened over a century ago. the walls were built towards the tail end of their empire anyway, by which point the civil war had already happened, so maybe longer ago. But even then, holding people accountable for what their country or ancestors did 100 years ago is like holding someone today accountable for the events of world war 1. No matter how you string it, it makes absolutely 0 sense (which is the point anyway).
it's definitely true that the eldian empire was horrible, but that obviously doesn't justify anything that the marleyan government did after the walls were built. That's literal nazi thinking (which was the point anyway).
you definitely still have a point when you say that none of this just came out of nowhere though. But I don't think choosing any one side makes sense because it's not that black and white.
@@willisstillhere8846The Grandparents that are in AoT today are Children 100 years ago for like 4 years old(If there are some who are alive) so they are also completely innocent since they don't even know anything.
@@willisstillhere8846Also you can't blame the things that their ancestors do. Your statement is just like blaming the current Germans for the things Hitler and the other Nazi did. The current Eldians are completely innocent since it was their Ancestors who did the crime not their children and grandchildren. It was unfair and unjust to blame the group of people that their ancestors did. So in short, people who did the crime are already dead in the present generation.
Thing I love about the ending arc is that there is no good or bad side. People only do what they think is right.
Exactlyyy
Disagree. there is a good or bad side People only blind do what they think is wrong.
It really is what the story is about. Being clouded by so much. What your state believes, what your government teaches you, what you learn yourself. Hatred of the past, ignorance to the facts, corruption, the human condition. We're all products of our environment. Another quote I like is "a person is smart, people are dumb." individuals can find reason, but the masses follow the hive mind in the end. We see AoT taking place in real life, and we stick to our ways. We're not fighting, and we won't win because of that.
Agree 100% great quote
This is exactly what I though during Season 4. This hits hard when you see how Russians justify their war crimes by claiming that Ukrainians are "nazis" and should be wiped out. It's propaganda in its worst.
@@justvid366 To be fair there was a faction of Nazi's with the Azov Brigade, but it was a small faction and they use it to justify it. A small amount of truth in a sea of lies. But I agree with you.
@@justvid366 Or how the US completely wiped out the Iraqi civilization because, according to them, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (spoiler, it didn't). Yet no one talks about this, nor about the infinitely horrible war crimes (or just crimes) that the US has committed on many countries, you only focus on Russia which has not done much compared to the US and you make sure that it is seen as the pure Devil like ALL westerners, which I am sure you are. You perfectly represent the kind of people that "ReplayableContent" mentioned in his comment.
This story has no right or wrong answer. Both sides present valid and reasonable arguments. In the end, its a shitty situation for everyone.
This man gets it
the right answer is to fight and live
I still think Paradis and Eren were right to do what they did, attacking a country out of greed and with capabilities to wipe the world along with you (which they did warn this would happen) and them ignoring this warning is fair game to the world
In War Its Just People. Fighting For People. Fighting Against People. All Because Of Revenge Or Idealolgy. Power.
Maybe killing everyone is for the best? No more wars and conflict, eren achieved a dream where no more suffering and chaos.. by eliminating everyone and then he sits beside a tree and await his impending doom.
Objectively Eren is right. All Marley had to do is end their beef, Eren gave them the chance. Everything that happens now can only be blamed on Marley.
You really could let go people who can transform in giant eating monsters who put you under their boot for thousands of years? That would be quite difficult.
No one is wrong here, no one is right
@@xano2921 These aren't those people tho. If I get abused by my dad and vow vengeance against all abusive dads, am I justified in oppressing the good dads because they can potentially become abusive? No I'm not. Marley kinda sucks fr
@@jesterjaded73great example! Agreed
@@xano2921 They have no problem with the Tybur family and they can transform too.
And people on the island has no fault about what supposedly did Eldia to Marley hundreds of years ago. They are completly innocent.
Even Eren Kruguer said that there is no truth in this wolrd, if Eldia opressed Marley for 1700 years, there will be no Marleyan alive...
I see both perspectives. Even though i'm rooting for Eldians, I understand why Marley wanted to control and destroy them. Both sides are justified, in my opinion.
Every nation outside paradise hates the innocent generation of eldians and they enjoy the thought of killing them(even before Eren killed any non-eldian civilians). Making the outside world no longer innocent, not even the civilians(who constantly wish the worst upon the eldians) of any nation. The eldians can't just lay down and die for something their ancestors(that they don't even remember) did 100+ years ago, nor can they defend themselves without bloodshed.
You get it mate
The young children that don't understand world politics in question:
And anyway if people in the AOT world are anything like ours, tons of people will be just trying to live out their lives and not really care. We know the governments of the major nations hate them but that does not mean all the civilians do.
Even regardless of that they are still civilians and are just going off what information gets to them, I don't think it's fair to say they are not innocent. To them (at least a good amount of them) it's not that they even hate the eldians, it would just be that they don't want to die themselves, just like Eren, I mean even Eren is not doing it because he thinks the rest of the world is guilty, he does not hate them, he recognizes that he is not better or worse and just "keeps going forward" or something.
It's not even civilians' fault that they hate eldians. They are fed with wrong information about their past and the world's government gaslighted them to hate Eldians telling their people that Eldians are the Devils of this world. In the end, it is the government's job to educate their people and because of this loophole, the world governments are taking advantage of their people by implementing something like a caste system where elidians living in Marley or any other nation have limited access to various necessities and luxury. People are just trying to live their lives peacefully and happily.
@@truesheltopusik1140 Nope. Even the Civilians hate Eldians not just the Gov't and you can really see that they really supported Paradis Genocide. This is the reason why Eren is justified in killing the Gov't officials, Military, and Civilians.
They are still innocent, you completely ignore why this "hatred", which is actually mostly contempt and disgust, exists. Furthermore, what about the children and babies? And what about the Eldians themselves who lived in Mahr?
Sorry to tell you this, but you don't stomp on people with a colossal Titan because they hates you.
This is a perfect explaination of Attack on Titan
Thank you :D
Something you didnt mention, which imo makes a big difference, is that only Eldians can transform into Titans. So there's a fundamental difference between them and everyone else, and i think this would prevent anyone from being able to make peace and build trust with the Eldians. At the very least, it makes it more difficult
Hiziru did. Albeit was for resources but that's a valid way as any to build alliances
That is false, the royal family could have removed the titan curse at any point, they didn't. Even that wouldn't work, Zeke's plan accounted for that, even if the Eldians didn't have the titan variable anymore, they'd still be prejudiced against. Eldians don't just become titans from nothing, they must be injected with a titanshifter's spinal fluid, and this was done by Marley.
Then who is at fault? Obviously the one who began the Eldian lineage, right? Are you really willing to blame the king for wanting to grow his empire? Are you really willing to blame Ymir for acquiring the titan powers and for having children?
For sure, not justified of course. But it makes hating them a lot easier
@@Bruh-el9js every single nation would've taken advantage of titan powers. Eldia just happened to be the nation that obtained it
@@blazingbattlehawk9626 I wouldn't call Eldia a nation, most Eldians don't care about Eldia and just want freedom, the only ones to care about Eldia at the time of the story are the Yeagerists, and they call themselves Eldians merely for propaganda and exclude those outside of the island. Other than that, I agree.
Wow, that summed everything up so well…great video!!
Thank you 😊
Gotta say, after watching the video, Im shocked to see that it wasnt posted by a channel with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Really good, high quality video!
Thank you so much!
I think other channels are worried about being framed as being pro-genocide. So they shy away.
Marley KNEW what Eren was capable of, did that stop them? Nope, they decided to doom the entire world and almost every country sided with Marley, all this blood is on Marley’s hands.
So darn true 🧠🤴
Eren wanted no smoke but they forced his hand when he gave them a peaceful solution multiple times.
This man gets it
That where the memories come into play. No matter which route they took for peace the eldians would be the only ones to pay the price.
villain is humanity itself which breeds ignorance and hatred, and indulges in never ending conflict
underated ytuber! You explain things very good!
Thanks a lot Man!
@@videodimension69 no prob man wish you the best! 💯
@@shnesaren0967 same to u g
@@videodimension69 continue making great vids bro peace out!✌️💯
Marley knew from the beggining that the Eldians that went to the Island had the potential weapon of the Rumbling. King Fritz warned them before going there.
If they leave the island, there will be no war.
*Marley tries to steal the founding titan because they are running out of fuel and because they are stupid*
*Rumbling starts*
Marley: "Surprised Pikachu face"
Who in their right mind is going to attack an Island that has the potential to kill the entire fucking world?!
They thought: "Meh, they are probably lying LOL"
Haha i dont think they thought they were lying but just thought they could outplay them
King fritz was indeed lying.
Something I feel like a lot of people don't seem to understand is that "Marley", as in the Marley officials/government declaring war and getting all the other nations on board is not the same as every civilian in the world actively trying to kill the Eldians. If the AOT world is anything like our own, I'm sure there are tons not actively against Paradis, for example young children. Eren killing the rest of the world and the rest of the world killing Paradis are the same, killing tons of innocent people for things that they had not control over due to fear that the other side will wipe them out if they do not take this action. Even Eren knows that he is the same as them so idk why so many people seem to miss this.
I agree, but it begs the question what were those civilians in their respective countries doing all this time, while their leaders were getting on board with a nation that has exercised economic, political and military dominance over their countries? We all know there are innocents, like you mentioned, children. But it was so frighteningly obvious that Marley wanted more weapons of mass destruction, a.k.a. the founding titan (eren), and the resources on Paradis to continue on their path to Global hegemony. Yet other nations that have also either have been to war with or colonized by Marley chose to join the coalition (like, whaaaaaat). Where is the protest??? I feel like that is what is missing from the show. I feel like there is no way that masses of people all over the world would not protest their governments involvement, because I certaintly would. Every civilian does not deserve to die, I mean I would be pissed and scared AF if I knew I was going to be squashed to death by a titan, BUT a piece of me would understand how we arrived in these circumstances. I'm just saying there is no doubt this would be the biggest world news globally, and at this point I'm sure many people across the world, including other nations that are not participating in the coalition, would know about the titan situation, Paradis, etc. I just think more could have been done, you know before Erin activated the rumbling. Its truly a shame, but honestly if I was a citizen of Paradis I can't say that I wouldn't be a jaegerist.
Even the association for the protection of eldian (or whatever that was called), that you'd think would be the one group that cared, was using Paradis as a scapegoat
Eren wants to end the cycle of hatred,, if u look at it, Eren was just some innocent kids that got caught on the Assault of the wall ,, but because of hatred and vengeance he became what he is now,, so when people said " Eren should've just attacked the military and the government and leave the innocent alone " well those government and military have families and relatives a.k.a the innocent people,, when they finds out Eren killed their families ( military/govt) the hatred will continues
@@88s68 I'm not saying what Eren should or should not have done, I'm saying he's the same as his opposing side(something he himself acknowledges), so I don't agree with how some people say the rest of the world "deserved it" or something(not u specifically, just I often see comments like that). Like u can say that he wants to end the cycle, but you can say the same thing about many of the people wanting to destroy Paradis. One of them needed to go, they just both wanted it to be the other side obviously, hence why they are one and the same.
@@truesheltopusik1140 well that's kinda true,, there is no wrong or right just like Eren kruger said ,anyone can become the devil or the good guys,, depends on who u are in that situation,, if you are a paradis island citizens you would support eren knowing the world wants you dead,, if you are a Marleyan you would hate eren,, basically it is a war ,, who is stronger wins,, and you can't be crying if you lose and start saying the other side isn't fair
Paradis: "We can't/won't Rumble."
Marley: "Excellent! Now DIE and give us all your land and resources!"
Paradis: "Okay, then we will/can do the Rumble"
Marley: (forms Global Alliance) "OH SHIT!! Die and give us all your land and resources!"
Paradis: Well...shit. RUMBLE!
Solid editing and use of evidence to support your claims. Great video, can't wait to see more from you. Like, comment, and subscribed, for the algorithm!
Means a lot man happy to have you here!
I wouldn’t help the marlians if I were hange mainly because I think they’re most likely to betray them after they get what they’re after
True, but u gotta take in mind hange's squad doesnt know the future like Eren. They still have that hope.
@@videodimension69 yeah I guess that’s true but you never know
I hear the position that there are no villains or heroes, no side clearly in the right or the wrong. but I believe both sides are in the wrong; the people of Marley and Eren's faction are both villains in my book because they are BOTH willing to sacrifice innocents. I definitely agree that neither side is in the right but I truly think both sides are in the wrong too.
They all grey innit
Nah, Paradis is objectively in the right no matter how you look at it. Marley attacked first, has been attacking first, and declares war after failing multiple times despite the warnings of the previous founder.
We also have the benefit of foresight and know that there is no alternative. Paradis defends itself or dies.
There is no grey.
@@Red-vj3ww This is a very incorrect take in my opinion. If you want to use "who attacked first" argument, then we can go back to the original Eldian king with Ymir. In the scope of the show, the Eldians attacked and oppressed Marley first. At the end of the day, I don't think who attacked first matters at all. Both Marley and Eldia are the same and throughout history, whoever is the stronger at that point of time oppresses the other, it's just a vicious cycle. Looking at the state of Paradis right now, we can see that the people there are very ready to perpetuate this cycle by being the oppressors when the rumbling succeeds. The Eldians really aren't much better than the Marleyans.
As a viewer we see evidence that people from both sides can change. The whole point of Gabi and Kaya's character arc was to show genuine human connection and understanding is possible with one another. The 50 year plan with the partial rumbling is a very legitimate alternative that could lead to a peaceful solution.
Eren went to Marley to see if there was another way to not do the rumbling.
(He has seen he's own future and saw that it will happen) but when he realized that all the other nations declared war only to the Eldians in the island he decided that there was no other way.
If Eren did not start the Rumbling, Marley would have taken control of the Founding Titan and exterminate every last person on the Island.
You can say Eren went to far killing all of the outside world instead of going only for Marley, I can accept that but if you can name other plan I will be ok to listen what you think.
@@lynesaurus You are wrong about there. There is no wrong in protecting and securing the future of your families, friends and people. Besides Matley did this to themselves. Even Marleyan Civilians are not innocents either. They also support the genocide of Paradis people. Saying Paradis was in the wrong is like saying a victim of kidnapping was in the wrong since they killed their kidnappers. That is why Paradis people are in the right and Marley and the rest of the world are in the wrong.
Very good video!
Have you considered talking about how the manga ended? If you have read it, of course xD
OOOOOh yea thats a good one! I'm currently working on another aot video but thats definetily something i will probably do
Eren did nothing wrong. They didn't have to hate him, they didn't have to hate his people, they didn't have to try to kill him or his, but they did, so he defended himself.
First attack in 845: Strike one for marley
Second attack in 850: Strike two for marley
They find out they have been puting titans on the island so the people in the walls: Strike 3 for marley
Litrealy declears war on paridis despite knowing they can trigger the rumbling: Strike 4 for marley
Goes in to kill everyone in the walls to prevent them from triggering the rumbling: Strike 5 for marley
Makes people kill their own freinds: Strike 6 for marley
Marley when eren actualy decides to activate the rumbling to defend his homeland killing everyone:
😯😯😯
MARLEY EREN GAVE YOU SO MANY CHANCES, AND YOU THREW THEM ALL AWAY
Loved It, What an amazing story, what an amazing ride❤
Love the video, super clear
Marley wanting to genocide the people of Paradise is like if Italians wanted to genocide the Germans because the Goths sacked Rome
Sometimes I forget how much Hannes means to Eren because of A Slap on Titan😂
Eren did nothing wrong
killing 1.6 billion people is wrong its just that eren and paradis didn't have any other choice
Wait till u see the first few episodes of part 3 and tell me again
Well nobody is gonna say what he did wasn't f*ckt. But it's very understandable
@@MattGarcyaDC I’ve read the manga extra pages proved it
@@Ligerbee yeah. But world itself do this to them. They pushed eren to do this. So eren actions are justfied.
That title is wild yet true
The most objective and comprehensive comment on this anime I've ever seen until now.👍
“NO I DON’T WANT THAT”
Those who know, I’m sorry for what they did to use
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What a man you are
King Fritz is imo the most unambiguously evil character in this series. His sheer greed and lust for power started the injustice and oppression against future Eldin generations.
You first have to prove that the world would have initiated a full scale genocide on the island before you talk about justifying Eren’s actions
Love this vid ok I’ll sub
Thanks a lot man
i wish theres a "what if scenario" on what will happen if all the people on paradis including the 3 military branch helped eren achieve this genocide or what will happen if the survey corps and the warriors failed to stop eren
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Paradis would prob still be here..
This is the best explanation ever!
‘There is no right or wrong in war.’
To the outside world, Eren is a monster, but to the Eldians. He was a hero.
Doesn't matter the genocide 80% or 100%, it's wrong and should never being justified.
Well technically it's four fellow cadets. Ymir was also a Titan shifter but I guess you forgot her like everyone else.
Hahah omg i did, nah man she was such a great character how could i forget. I probably did because she didnt "betray" them so obviously as the rest.
@@videodimension69 Well Jaw Titan Ymir didn't have much of a role after she went with the other shifters to the Marlayan base camp. I suspect future Eren messed with her memories to make her think she owed certain shifters her life. If the shifters had not brought back the jaw Titan we would have seen a new Armored and Colossal Titan instead just a new jaw Titan.
Thank you for the no manga spoilers 🫶🫶
No problem mate edit: if you read the comments be carefull while replying i found some spoillers
Don't read ytube comments. People love to spoil the ending xD
Also Jean put it clearly. He said "the world picked a fight & lost"
this video made me subscribe
Thank uuuuu
Two thumbs up great video. Personally I don’t see how this character controversial and in the case of Eren it is just black and white. Eren was originally a “good” character that turned evil by the end of his story arc making the cicle complete.
Thank you :D it is indeed a great arc. Aot fr knows how to write dem characters
i go by the saying of eye for an eye. they have since the beggining way past the fall of the eldians kingdom trying to kill every eldians on the island. so the only way to protect your loved one is to make sure no one can even hurt them.
This is proof that the words eren krueger spoke to grisha became a mantra for eren. You must push forward until the price of your sins are paid. This is the crux of his justification for world genocide.
Theres quite a few errors in this, which are fairly relevant. As you have stated this is based purely on anime I'll put the points across as such because whilst I've had a few spoilers off the manga i haven't read it so i can't argue effectively from that pov.
- Its not been thousands of years since the formation of the island city of paradis. Its been little over a century. Its been thousands (two thousandish to be precise...ish) since the emergence of the founder Ymir. This is relevant as the fear and hate in absolutely insane and irrational if they have not been a threat for 1000s of years, but less so when there are going to be older members of the ruling class in Marley who's parents recounted first hand horrors of the Eldians.
- Eren does not see the future when he kisses Historia's hand. At least, not the way that you put it here. He states that he saw some more of his fathers memories. One of them was of his father failing to kill the ruling family and his future self intervening to force him too. Its not confirmed what other memories of his father he sees at this time, but he specifically states it was some of his fathers memories that were unlocked.
If we are strictly sticking to what is known in the anime, then at NO point has it ever been said that Eren is able to see the future in the way you are saying here. He has merely been said to be able to see some memories attack titans, past present and future. When he goes to the paths with Zeke, he is then able to have some kind of control over which memories he sees (although it not entirely clear if its Eren and is suggested its all Zeke, given what we see I suspect Zeke starts the viewing process and Eren highjacks it part way) and obviously shows he is able to use his presence in those memories to manipulate events, due to the time being weird in the paths.
Eren comes to conclusion the Marley is going to wipe Paradis of the face of earth based on the evidence they have presented themselves that they will do just that. He saw the hatred when they went across the sea. They made a declaration of war to do so. He saw what Annie and Reiner and Bert were prepared to do.
There was another way aside from the Rumbling. But it would have meant sacrificing Historia. And he wasn't prepared to do that. Despite the fact Historia was fine with it, which is where it gets a bit iffy in my view. Whilst I understand him not wanting to force that situation onto her because shes his friend and he cares for her... it is her decision. And he unilaterally decides to go against that and flatten the world.
Eren has shown many, many times that he is .... frankly not mentally stable. His far, far to EAGER to kill. I understand the want for revenge. I understand killing because there is no other choice. But Eren.... Eren enjoys it. He has never, ever shown any regret, any remorse over killing. Only his lack of killing. As Armin says... "Always with the killing."
Ultimately, I think whilst you can sit there and make arguments for why what his doing could be justified... I don't think it matter to Eren. Ultimately, I think his doing what his doing because he wants too.
the only sane comment in this section smh. people just lost sight of who eren truly is. a complete sociopathic maniac who kills because it envigorates him. it isnt simply because he had no choice. no, if they think hard enough, theres alwasy AL-FUCKING-WAYS a way to avoid genocide. you might not be able to avoid killing someone, but to kill everyone? thats not even should be considered. i think these people are really short sighted. it could possibly lead to very very dangerous behaviour in case the world is actually having another real conflict
Great video
Stopping Eren was the wrong move. The hatred of Eldians / Paradis was never going to stop. You see this failure when time flies and Paradis is literally being bombed and destroyed. Their civilization is wiped out and the remnants of cities remain with plant overgrowth. Because there's nobody left to rebuild. They're wiped out.
Erens a psycho. If u read the manga uk that he isn't even doing the rumbling to "protect" Paradis. I won't spoil his real reason for anime watchers but everyone in the comments is saying THE WHOLE WORLD deserves to die because they assume every single person in the world hates eldians. It's just not true we have even seen Marly soldiers be nice towards eldians. Also what about onyonkopon. He helped the island to over throw Marly and free his country but all he gets in return for helping Paradis is his country and family crushed flat. Its ridiculous he's killing women children babies old people indiscriminately. I can't wait for anime watchers to see the horror of what the rumbling actually is.
TLDR: not everyone across the sea is a bad guy
This.
okay i think that people misinterpretate eren not having a choice he always had a choice the choice was just out of the picture cause they did nothing but fight and argue
lemme ask you a qeustion did the survery corps eren included ever actually speak during the global leader confrence?
It was Eren's fault for not talking to them.
He knew how to gain full access to the power of the founding but said nothing.
He killed innocent women and children in Liberio which fast tracked the attack of the outside world and ended up endangering paradise earlier than planned.
They did talk to Eren. It was not their fault, eren chose not to disclose information
If Hange and Armin were presented with the possibility of using the founding at its fullest wrath, then they would've thought of a better plan (ala season 3 uprising arc)
They wouldn't be arguing if it wasn't for Eren lying and making things worse
My observation is Eren is the villain as well. Its mind boggling when I realized this..took me a while to watch it a couple of times. A villain that is suffering... Erens burden is very heavy he choose to become it. Because the world decided to let it's hatred flow.
I like to think of Eren more so as the worlds consequence or punishment then a villain
technically he just fought back
He attacked only after marley and other nations initiated a start of war against the paradis Island.
He only fought back as the soldier that he is with hammer like techniques instead of scalpel like tactics
Yes
Change "justified" with "explained" and you are right. Eren did not justify genocide, he made it understandable.
Loved it.
Thanks mate!
the big point for me is the it shows how stupid racism and historical divide(dont know the right term) is
The marleyans were gonna do the same thing to Eldians. Erens method is less brutal and quick.
the show does try to show what we should do in Eren situation but its showing our very own monstrosity
I find media interesting because you will always have people who will sincerely justify the unjustifiable.
You will have people arguing why the legion is actually good in F:NV, and you will have people arguing that genociding the entire planet is good actually. Its really fascinating.
Let's not act like if Marley did get the Founding titan they'd leave paradis alone.
They'd do exactly what the old eldian empire did knowing that they have all the power
Nice video👌👌Just a quire?
By Hatred made him a Devil, what do u mean?
Hatred as in he hated the outside world or Hatred as in his hatred of the world's ignorance.
Hatred of the world's ignorance for sure. Eren was very much aware the people outside the walks weren't monsters. Thanks for the compliment :D
@@videodimension69 lol did you even read chapter 131 u clown ? 😆 🤣 😂 just because he understands them that doesn't mean he will let them genocide his people on Paradis. And the world and the marleyns too were very aware that the paradisians were not monsters but just wanted to be left alone but still they wanted to genocide them so fuck them.
I would do the same if I were Eren. Its not Eren's fault that the people outside has a terrible leader.
Yagerist we out here #moveforward
0:04 MILLIONS…. MILLIONS
My bad g
We really didn’t need the recap buddy
Genocide is never justified
It's a war.
In war you don't kill innocent civilians.
Tou forgot to say that he plan everything so at the end everyone will join force and work toguether as equal and bring peace to the world, he already see the future so that was his only choice
That's more of a theory, a good one fs tho
If you substitute Paradis for postwar Japan it starts to get real weird.
I wouldn't say justified, but understandable.
Eren was right.
Yes he was
Fr Marley had it coming
Just 3 weeks ago, omg, and yes Eren was right ❤
Those who cannot sacrifice anything cannot change anything.
Sacrifice your people for a greater good.
@@marcomarco7750 Greater good? The rest of the world is doomed to continue their warmongering.
@@marcomarco7750 sacrifice your friends and home for strangers that want to kill u
@@marcomarco7750sacrafice the ones you love and grew up with for strangers that hate and despise you, lmao your xenophilia is a f-up logic
“Dramatic exit” hehe. I c wut u did thar
No right no wrong in the end both choices will take lives and the only way to have a future is to destroy hate so love can bloom.
Not letting go of the past can do some damage
What's the music that plays at the start?
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Let's say that the rumbling did continue and the only people left was the people eren was trying to protect. What is the assurance that a civil war doesn't break out in the near future. People find ways/reasons to kill each other.
Wait, why aren't we talking about how Marley justified genocide?
"He didn't have a choice" , ah classical genocidal defense.
Right????? Its such an oversimplied and dumb justification
Blame the author then.
This is the story he wrote and he gave Eren no choice.
If you think Eren was wrong you also implicitly agree with the genocide of Eldians. Isayama is at fault for writing a Fascist story.
@@r.k845 "if you think Eren was wrong, you also implicitly agree with the genocide of Eldians"
That's a dumb take. Isayama was writing an anti-facist story, otherwise he wouldn't have invested so much story development on Armin's group
It's not that Eren had no choice, it's rather that he chose wrong. Hell, in a sense he may not have had a choice because he was partially brainwashed by Ymir and the founding WHICH STILL MAKES HIM WRONG.
You have such a reductive take on the situation.
@@potatoesblink3299 The authors intentions are irrelevant to the actual story told.
An author can write a story about how 2+2 equals 5 but if the actual narrative supports the fact that it’s 4, it IS 4.
I never said he wasn’t trying to write an anti fascist story. I agree that he definitely was. But that isn’t the actual reality of what he wrote.
@@r.k845 imo the reality is that a lot of the loud viewers are watching this show without thinking. Or rather have a reductive take (kinda like what you said about the whole anti Eren = pro Paradis genocide thing)
It's an anime show, so they default to a monkey brain mindset like they would a typical harem or shonen show because deep nuance isn't always expected In this medium nowadays. I'm not saying anime doesn't have it, but mainstream anime the past decade has been predominantly straightforward.
It's not like the mindset someone would usually make when watching something like The boys, Breaking bad or Game of thrones where detecting nuance is part of the experience.
I think Isayama was clear in what he wanted to say. And I even had discussions with a couple of creative writing university grads about this.
So it's not that he wrote = 4, it's just that the loudest part of the fan base can only comprehend the = 4 part and not the actual= 5
It's weird cuz every person I know IRL understood that Eren was wrong (except for one guy, but he was one of those people who knew reduced everything to black and white).
Others have stated fairly, it's ok , it's just a show and that we should let people identify with a genocidal terrorist who kills babies because it's not real. While that is true, it still doesn't prove that Eren's acts are justified within the scope of the narrative
It's Birdieee time
Bro explained it perfectly
any manga spoilers?
The only chance for peace is to wipe the slate clean; the rumbling will make that peace
"Justify" seems like the wrong word to describe it, Eren himself admits he knows the world is full of good people who don't deserve what he is going to do, and while he has the power to limit his destruction to just those who oppress them (and other nations) as it was Armin's original plan, he doesn't care
"He doesnt care"
"Eren admitted he knows that there are those who don't deserve to die"
So... that means... Eren is wrong...
And fighting against him was the right thing to do
@@potatoesblink3299 never said HE was right or wrong, anyways the ending just turned everything into "it didn't matter anyways because he KNEW they would fight him (and apparently the manga itself says that while he WANTED to be stopped and have them as heroes, he would also be satisfied if he killed everyone)"
@@VGInterviews never said you claimed it.
But whether or not Eren was wrong or justified in killing innocent children was the big question being asked
@@potatoesblink3299 not by me tho
@@potatoesblink3299If you believe it’s ok to genocide those living in Paradis yes.
Still a genocide apologist tho.
THERE WAS ALWAYS AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION to the whole conflict between paradis and the outside world which is some of the scouts like armin eren mikasa and hange etc would meet willy tyber and discuss with him paradis's wush for peace then willy would relay their wish to the representatives of the world nations who gathered at liberio after he showed them the truth about carl fritz in the festival then hange will come out and tell the people that she is from paradis and descuss her plan for peace which is eren and historia will activate the founding titan power and unharden the walls and destroy all the wall titans in front of the world representatives at paradis then they will vow to use the founding titan power to communicate with ymir fritz at the paths and convince her to let go of the power of the titans (and the concept of her love for the 1st fritz king is stupid in and of itself)
Then the paradisians are allowed to leave paradis and explore the world and the rest of eldians in internment zones are freed and this is how you end the cycle of hatered
Eren ate Willy Tybur
Eren was just goofin' around. He was just joking
What i dont like is: even after all of this (whether you thought zekes plan or erens plan was correct or wrong) it ended up being for absolutely nothing because in the end the tree comes back, their home is bombed. Theres still wars, theres still no freedom. I mean sure he got rid of the titans, but if he knew that something of a similar power would be brought back eventually, which he must have known because he can see the future, then why bother doing it. Just keep things the same.
That’s the point dude. No matter what there will always be conflict in this world.
There is alrdy a lot of reactor out there asking this question: if attack titan can see the inherited future then where and who is next? There fore alot of them already know he is last and waiting for his plan to unfold. So justifying anything is a big word….
As a fellow yeagerist i will support him till the end 🛐 (and for me he's right, what's wrong is that rotten World)
Therez only 1 reason why Eren activated the Rumbling. I thought long & hard about this. Eren trusted his friends to stop the female titan. What happened?? The female titan escaped & Eren still chose to trust his friends. All of them died by the Female Titan. That showed him he should never trust anyone but himself to do the job to save his friends & family. Many people say he started the rumbling coz his mother got eaten. No thats not true. He started it because everyone he trusted around him disappointed him. He had to do it himself!!
Genocide of everyone I know and love or genocide of strangers… 🧐
I would say, that there is like 3 types of anime viewers.
First one who justify and understand Villains and Antagonists, they understand that conflict (or whatever) is something that the other side used against them to hurt their loved ones, so they use it to get their revenge.
The second one is objective viewer, everything that do harm or can't solve any conflict is bad and no one is right.
And there is third one, the complete fool. Thinking that Villain (Reiner) is bad guy for breaking a wall and killing people on Paradise, until MC (Eren) decides not to let that slide, takes control and actions to protect his loved ones. So then they decide that MC is a Bad guy for taking actions and revenge that someone brought up to them.
Im the first one. Marley did that to their self, they transform humans into titans, they break the wall and declared a war to the whole world. Wich one are you?
Giving the options i d say i am the second one. Interesting comment!
hats off
im sad now
edit: its the 4. November