@JoTalksYT The Astros paid a high price. Mets send $35m or 52.5m of his salaries, which are portions of either $57.8m or 92.8m, meaning Houston is paying either $22.8m for 1.33 years ($17.14m per year), or $40.3m ($17.30m per year) for 2.33 years. For that right, though, the Astros paid approximately $36m in prospect value (a 50 FV and a 45 FV), so b/t money and prospects the Astros are paying either $57.8m for 1.33 years ($43.5m AAV), or $76.3m (32.7m AAV) for 2.33 years. That's extremely expensive for an old pitcher who struggled this year and was hurt. The Astros are surely hoping Verlander pitches 140 innings in 2024, btw, given those comparative AAVs.
@@johnstrawb3521 Not only the money the Astros have to pay this old geaser. The players they gave away where going to be the future for the Astros. I am an Astros fan and i am so pissed about this trade.
My Mets underachieved greatly this year but on the bright side Alvarez turned out to be a stud and we picked up a couple great prospects. Our farm system is rejuvenated and the future is bright
As a Met fan this definitely dulls the pain a little after losing Pete Crow Armstrong and Kelenic. Glad we’re finally getting solid prospects instead of giving them up for rentals. Astros did well getting JV at a discounted rate. Definitely a win for both sides
i still think to this day its a great deal! mets will see some of these guys show up next season probably. Also pete stinks losing but over time itll work out.
I don't know why people keep saying "he's Justin Verlander" like that means anything. Max Scherzer looks like ass the season and he's Max Scherzer so what. I've seen some great games as a Mets fan from Justin Verlander but I don't think that he is anywhere close to what he was last year or what he was 5 years ago. He's on the decline you get to Future starters potentially who could be fantastic. And I know people get hung up on the money but it's not my money so who gives a shit it's some billionaires. I've been a mets fan for 24 years, we've been rebuilding and for all 24 of those years pretty much but these trades I actually feel decent about
Definitely leaning towards the Astros because you know what you got and with prospects you just don't. Maybe a couple years from now it could be good for the Mets if not better.
Gilbert was just a back up plan for Kyle Tucker. Now with extra cash and more cap room they can resign Tucker. Gilbert is pretty good and he plays the same position as tucker, but he will never be good as or better than Kyle Tucker.
The owner is worth $18 Billion and doesn’t care about money If the season is not going anywhere, at least trade away the pieces you have to trade and get good prospects for them and if you don’t care about money, then do it that way. A bunch of owners wish they could do it this way but they don’t want to pay the money👍
@@pingamalinga Even if you did draft well. Why not buy prospects if you could,in addition to drafting well? Only time will tell if our recent draft and the buying of these prospects were good business for us or not. No experts or wise old sage here. FOREVER LGM!!!
@@miguel.ledesmaledesma1790 Of course. That goes without saying if your season is kaput and the two big FA you signed are 40. Eat a lot of the money, ship them off and restock the farm. Ive never seen this done to this degree but he can afford to do it apparently.
You should. Gilbert and Clifford are the real deal. You won't see them in MLB for several years, but when they are ready....LOOK OUT! You got 2 Kyle Tuckers! You never know how a prospect will unfold, but those 2 have very high ceilings. Id be happy if I were a Mets fan. Get at least SOME of that ridiculous contract off the books. Robertson off the books. A declining Scherzer off the books. You guys can REALLY go ham in the next off-season. So much money freed up.
We both won. Our OF depth is insane. Gilbert wouldn't have come up unless Tucker got hurt. We got EXACTLY all we needed: A team pitching staff leader. A teacher for JP and Hunter Brown. We kept Maldonado for this exact scenario, and without Maldonado, JV doesn't waive NTC. We got a CY level ace. We got a good RHP reliever. Beilak gone. Good. He isn't ready. The Mets got a future 30 homer 100 rbi OF under a decade of control. We already have a few of those talents on the MLB club.
Who can possibly believe a 40 year old only uproots his family and goes back to his favorite club is a given catcher is active? It simply doesn't matter.
I think it’s a win win. No issue with Verlander other than his age and contract. I like the prospects we got back. I preferred the Dodgers since they had a better farm I’d say but can’t complain grabbing 2 top 4 prospects. Cash means nothing to Cohen so that isn’t the issue. Mets are loaded with position players but lack arms in the farm besides Tidwell. They have pitching but Tidwell is the only real high quality potential arm I’d say
Astros got fleeced imo... you traded 2 young LHH with years on control and high potential for a 40+ pitcher that could fall off whenever that you could have just signed in FA WITHOUT giving up draft picks.
Prospects are hard to evaluate. Back when the Astros got JV the first time from Detroit, they gave up 2 or 3 of their top prospects and people thought it was an even trade. Fast forward a few years later and those guys aren't doing anything with Detroit and JV won a couple of titles and a couple of Cy Youngs. Plus the Mets are covering $54 million of JV's contract, I don't see how this isn't a win for the Astros. Now, if Gilbert and Clifford do well and become stars, then it's great. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't, I'll take the proven JV with a lot of money off the Astros books over prospects.
$86.7 million contract that included a $35 million vesting option for 2025. They got money off loaded too wasn't like they paid it all. If he reaches the Inns next year Astros have to cover the vested year in 2025.
You’re speaking as though they’re working with a budget. They aren’t. They get great prospects back, which they desperately need, and sign a few checks that literally don’t matter to Cohen. There was zero reason to keep Max and JV. They weren’t winning a World Series with the remainder of their pitching staff. They can now throw money at Ohtani or many other of the upcoming free agents and those pitchers know they will be 1..2 or 3 in the rotation
@@JoTalksYT Well it better be. We have to play the Rangers, Orioles twice, Yankees, Angels, Red Sox, Marlins and Diamondbacks down the stretch with half of the team hurt. So I hope it's worth it.
As a Mets fan, I love this for them. Astros can win this year and next so this makes sense for them…if he stays healthy. Makes sense for both teams. Clifford being included in this deal, though, is a bit surprising and makes it understandable that many Astros fans are upset with this trade, but as a Mets fan I’d say win while you can bc I thought the Mets were going to be a dynasty after ‘86 and, well, we’re still waiting. Also as a Mets fan, I feel this is Cohen’s best move in bis short tenure. He has the unique ability to use money in a multitude of ways, and to repurpose his investments. The Mets got Clifford in this, (and Acuna from Texas,) bc Cohen essentially bought them by eating huge chunks of remaining money on those deals. The Astros effectively traded Gilbert for Verlander and sold Clifford to the Mets for $20 million or so.
I think this trade was a win win But what do you guys think???
Mets got a great haul imo
@@ImHitch true
The Mets fuc...ed the Astros big time without vaseline.
@JoTalksYT The Astros paid a high price. Mets send $35m or 52.5m of his salaries, which are portions of either $57.8m or 92.8m, meaning Houston is paying either $22.8m for 1.33 years ($17.14m per year), or $40.3m ($17.30m per year) for 2.33 years.
For that right, though, the Astros paid approximately $36m in prospect value (a 50 FV and a 45 FV), so b/t money and prospects the Astros are paying either $57.8m for 1.33 years ($43.5m AAV), or $76.3m (32.7m AAV) for 2.33 years. That's extremely expensive for an old pitcher who struggled this year and was hurt. The Astros are surely hoping Verlander pitches 140 innings in 2024, btw, given those comparative AAVs.
@@johnstrawb3521 Not only the money the Astros have to pay this old geaser. The players they gave away where going to be the future for the Astros. I am an Astros fan and i am so pissed about this trade.
As a Mets fan, and the season they pulled off this year, I am more than happy with ALL of the players we got back in the trades we made.
My Mets underachieved greatly this year but on the bright side Alvarez turned out to be a stud and we picked up a couple great prospects. Our farm system is rejuvenated and the future is bright
As a Met fan this definitely dulls the pain a little after losing Pete Crow Armstrong and Kelenic. Glad we’re finally getting solid prospects instead of giving them up for rentals. Astros did well getting JV at a discounted rate. Definitely a win for both sides
i still think to this day its a great deal! mets will see some of these guys show up next season probably. Also pete stinks losing but over time itll work out.
I don't know why people keep saying "he's Justin Verlander" like that means anything. Max Scherzer looks like ass the season and he's Max Scherzer so what. I've seen some great games as a Mets fan from Justin Verlander but I don't think that he is anywhere close to what he was last year or what he was 5 years ago. He's on the decline you get to Future starters potentially who could be fantastic. And I know people get hung up on the money but it's not my money so who gives a shit it's some billionaires. I've been a mets fan for 24 years, we've been rebuilding and for all 24 of those years pretty much but these trades I actually feel decent about
Definitely leaning towards the Astros because you know what you got and with prospects you just don't. Maybe a couple years from now it could be good for the Mets if not better.
So what will happen to JV after this season? Staying with the Astros or trading again?
yes he has a year of control next year. he will be with the astros unless the astros trade him.
Having JV back is so amazing.
its def a great feeling for the astros going into the playoffs
Hes healthy and pitching well now. Best of luck the rest of the way from NY.
Mets came away with Clifford, Gilbert and Luis Acuna through trades this week, I think that’s a great boost for our farm system and future
And you can go after top pitchers in free agency again especially otani
It goes to show you that building your farm system is much more important than buying a world series.
I'm a huge Mets fan and love this trade
Gilbert was just a back up plan for Kyle Tucker. Now with extra cash and more cap room they can resign Tucker. Gilbert is pretty good and he plays the same position as tucker, but he will never be good as or better than Kyle Tucker.
very true
The owner is worth $18 Billion and doesn’t care about money If the season is not going anywhere, at least trade away the pieces you have to trade and get good prospects for them and if you don’t care about money, then do it that way. A bunch of owners wish they could do it this way but they don’t want to pay the money👍
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you arent wrong! the dude is buying prospects i respect that
Buying prospects is the next best thing if you didnt draft well. 🤷♂️
@@pingamalinga Even if you did draft well. Why not buy prospects if you could,in addition to drafting well? Only time will tell if our recent draft and the buying of these prospects were good business for us or not. No experts or wise old sage here. FOREVER LGM!!!
@@miguel.ledesmaledesma1790 Of course. That goes without saying if your season is kaput and the two big FA you signed are 40. Eat a lot of the money, ship them off and restock the farm. Ive never seen this done to this degree but he can afford to do it apparently.
As a METS FAN, I ❤this trade🙏🏾.
thats what im saying!!
You should. Gilbert and Clifford are the real deal. You won't see them in MLB for several years, but when they are ready....LOOK OUT! You got 2 Kyle Tuckers! You never know how a prospect will unfold, but those 2 have very high ceilings. Id be happy if I were a Mets fan. Get at least SOME of that ridiculous contract off the books. Robertson off the books. A declining Scherzer off the books. You guys can REALLY go ham in the next off-season. So much money freed up.
Othani anyone...?!
@@TheMattJacks Gilbert is probably going to start next season in AAA i think he’s up 2025 the absolute latest
@@TheMattJacks nah Gilbert is gonna be up rlly quick
We both won. Our OF depth is insane. Gilbert wouldn't have come up unless Tucker got hurt. We got EXACTLY all we needed: A team pitching staff leader. A teacher for JP and Hunter Brown. We kept Maldonado for this exact scenario, and without Maldonado, JV doesn't waive NTC. We got a CY level ace. We got a good RHP reliever. Beilak gone. Good. He isn't ready. The Mets got a future 30 homer 100 rbi OF under a decade of control. We already have a few of those talents on the MLB club.
ya i really think its a win win for both organizations
@@JoTalksYT Very much agreed, though, I live in Sugarland, and will miss watching Drew.
Who can possibly believe a 40 year old only uproots his family and goes back to his favorite club is a given catcher is active? It simply doesn't matter.
I think it’s a win win. No issue with Verlander other than his age and contract. I like the prospects we got back. I preferred the Dodgers since they had a better farm I’d say but can’t complain grabbing 2 top 4 prospects. Cash means nothing to Cohen so that isn’t the issue. Mets are loaded with position players but lack arms in the farm besides Tidwell. They have pitching but Tidwell is the only real high quality potential arm I’d say
thats how i feel tbh!
Lets be honest I didnt see the mets winning this year even in the begining of the year, we need bats know we need bats an arms
Position players. Where do they play? Would rather the Mets would get a prospect starting pitcher. that is their achilles heal.
thats valid for sure. if anything they can flip those prospects!
In the long run the Mets got the better part of the trade..
two pretty good prospects
i hope they turn out well!
Great trade from both sides. Go stros excited to see what they can do
i like it a lot tbh
Astros got fleeced imo... you traded 2 young LHH with years on control and high potential for a 40+ pitcher that could fall off whenever that you could have just signed in FA WITHOUT giving up draft picks.
Drew G is a dawg . Gonna have fun watching him play for NY - Astros fan
Kate said in the off-season she wanted him to choose Houston she loved it here
Ryan Clifford is the steal in this deal
He is so young with so much potential its great
The Mets clearly won this. They got their best prospects for an old pitcher in so jealous
sheeesh
Mets FLEECED!!!!
DAMN
Prospects are hard to evaluate. Back when the Astros got JV the first time from Detroit, they gave up 2 or 3 of their top prospects and people thought it was an even trade. Fast forward a few years later and those guys aren't doing anything with Detroit and JV won a couple of titles and a couple of Cy Youngs. Plus the Mets are covering $54 million of JV's contract, I don't see how this isn't a win for the Astros. Now, if Gilbert and Clifford do well and become stars, then it's great. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't, I'll take the proven JV with a lot of money off the Astros books over prospects.
$86.7 million contract that included a $35 million vesting option for 2025. They got money off loaded too wasn't like they paid it all. If he reaches the Inns next year Astros have to cover the vested year in 2025.
thats understandable for sure
You’re speaking as though they’re working with a budget. They aren’t. They get great prospects back, which they desperately need, and sign a few checks that literally don’t matter to Cohen. There was zero reason to keep Max and JV. They weren’t winning a World Series with the remainder of their pitching staff. They can now throw money at Ohtani or many other of the upcoming free agents and those pitchers know they will be 1..2 or 3 in the rotation
Bad... This is bs... I'm done with the Astros this year, horrible trade.
really? you think jv isnt worth it
@@JoTalksYT Well it better be. We have to play the Rangers, Orioles twice, Yankees, Angels, Red Sox, Marlins and Diamondbacks down the stretch with half of the team hurt. So I hope it's worth it.
As a Mets fan, I love this for them. Astros can win this year and next so this makes sense for them…if he stays healthy. Makes sense for both teams. Clifford being included in this deal, though, is a bit surprising and makes it understandable that many Astros fans are upset with this trade, but as a Mets fan I’d say win while you can bc I thought the Mets were going to be a dynasty after ‘86 and, well, we’re still waiting. Also as a Mets fan, I feel this is Cohen’s best move in bis short tenure. He has the unique ability to use money in a multitude of ways, and to repurpose his investments. The Mets got Clifford in this, (and Acuna from Texas,) bc Cohen essentially bought them by eating huge chunks of remaining money on those deals. The Astros effectively traded Gilbert for Verlander and sold Clifford to the Mets for $20 million or so.
LMAO!!!!!!
lol