I’ll never forget walking through the woods in oblivion for hours as a kid, unsure of where to go or how to interact with any of the UI. Randomly stumbling across castles and cabins in extremely out of the way places, made me feel like perhaps I was the first one discovering it. I still find secrets in this nearly 20 year old game.
@@elhefe808think age def had something to do with it. I was 11 years old and from he front cover for some reason thought it was a call of duty like game, didn’t even look at the back of the case. Once I started it and started playing I was obsessed, still haven’t got a feeling like that since.
Forgotten, never. I'll never forget the first time I crawled out of the sewer into Cyrodiil and I'll never forget climbing down the spiral staircase into my first Ayleid ruin.
This being the first Elder Scrolls game I ever played before even knowing what Elder Scrolls actually was what a wild experience never before had I ever played a sandbox it took me weeks before I first leveled up because I didn't rest I just wanted to go go go
Same, cant do with Skyrim, though I played it for many years. But Oblivion still reins supreme for me. Along with Daggerfall. I know a lot of younger players joined the franchise from Skyrim, and cant take to Oblivion as they see the graphics as inferior. But I think it still looks really stunning. I started playing TES a year after Arena was released. Wasnt that keen on Arena at the time. It was on a PC my uncle gave me, but I killed a few years on it, as it drew you in with perseverance.
@llyRemasteredMusic I think its really just the map. Theres somthing so incredibly depressing about nordic greenland environments. Just cold harsh tundra as far as the eye can see with cold depressing drauger caves in black grey brown mountains as far as the eye can see. Oblivion constantly makes you feel hidden traversing these green lush forests and a cave might turn into an aeylid ruin with its own little unscripted quest with locational story telling.
@@wiwysova I would doubt that to be true. I came to Oblivion when I was around 16~17 and it's still one of my all time favourite games. Up there with Halo 2, Mass Effect and Warcraft II Tides of Darkness. I have played many, many games. Those games just effected me differently.
I don't know if it's on here, as I've only just clicked the video. I love the theory that Martin isn't Akatosh's chosen, but actually Dagon's. That all of it was actually his plan, including the reincarnated Akatosh banishing him from Nirn. Dagon is the Prince of Destruction, Change and Revolution. He's not Molag Bal, and certainly doesn't have the same intentions as him. Changing one Empire into another ruled by Elves in the Mythic Dawn isn't change for him. It's also why he wants the PC in Skyrim to kill the last remaining Mythic Dawn cultist. Clinging to old ways and old views is everything he's against, so whilst it certainly looks like a 'muhahaha I'm so evil' moment, it makes perfect sense for him when one actually knows what he wants and represents. Sheorograth is Chaos. Molag Bal is Domination. Dagon is Destruction and Revolution, and at the end of Oblivion's story, the world of Nirn, and even Akatosh himself is forever changed, all according to his plan, which thanks to you, succeeded ever so perfectly.
Here's a weird thought: destruction and revolution are both just aspects of how time works. Destruction is entropy over time. So is Dagon just a combined aspect of Akatosh and Sithis?
Interesting theory, but it implies that Mehrunes Dagon is stronger than Akatosh, which just isn't true, because Akatosh is one of the strongest gods out there (being the first-born of Anu, the primordial force of order, whereas MD is from the second generation of gods). That said, MD is apparently pretty weak when you take lore into account, being thwarted several times in his plan to invade Mundus, including by the Tribunal, who weren't even real gods in the first place.
@@georgeoldsterd8994 From what I know didn't the Aedra sacrifice a lot of their power, and now rely on prayer/holy things for power? That's why the Dragonfires are needed, otherwise MD would just rip open a portal into Mundus and take it over without the Aedra being able to do much about it I might be wrong though, this is just what I know
Dagon is far far stronger than akatosh. Its pretty well known in the lore that the daedric princes have limitless power and the aedra do not @@georgeoldsterd8994
I do like this. Maybe we can just assume then that the Hero of Kvatch is more than the right person in the right place to become the man to stop the oblivion crisis & is instead the one chosen by Dagon to ensure that Martin is located & destroyed ensuring that the empire changes into a puppet for the Dominion. Basically only 2 main characters aren't godly beings. The 1st games character is just an aprentice who goes to save the emperor & the 2nd games character was sent by the emperor as a blades member to go kill the Daggerfall king who is meant to be dead & deal with the 4 cities that are fighting for power & has a side mission to find the emperors lusty letter that he sent to the queen of daggerfall (if anything that man is consistent with the guy who has an illigitamate son maybe he has many just only one was in the capital.) Then Morrowind has basically dunmer Jesus coming to free them of the false gods of the tribunal & stop daddy dagoth from going crazy (basically your a god sent to stop a god & end the playing of 3 false gods). & Skyrim you are obviously Nord Jesus sent to stop a dragon deal with a civil war & stop vampires. A lot of magic godly beings in these games.
Literally came here to comment this and someone already did. 😂😂 Family family family. We joke around about Vin in our admin group chat over at Skyrim Guard on Facebook. We consider ourselves all to be family. 💕
Well, the Deep Ones being the Sload is the most plausible and probably best option to the mystery of the village in Oblivion. For, you know, the Sloads were never defeated, they only went underwater and never came back. But what if they're trying to re-emerge in vegeance? I would love to see more of the Sloads and their culture. Snail-like people that are masters of death! Soud cool to me...
Back when I still lived with my parents.. back before I was in high school.. the late nights, staying up until the sun came up while the music played running about in Cyrodiil.. I would genuinely give anything to go back and play this game again for the first time. The amount of hours I packed into this game on my ps3. The MEMORIES of this game still stick with me today
Damn, Oblivion really had the best soundtrack. Just hearing it in the background brings me back to when I first played it back in 2007. Skyrim had an okay soundtrack, but it was mostly just layers of drawn out strings. Oblivion had very clear and memorable melodies, with often one main instrument taking the forefront.
@@thewingedpotato6463 yeah kinda because oblivion is just classical music but worse and Skyrim is awesome and hype. Ive heard much better calm fantasy music in other games like the witcher 1 and 2, and other rpgs. oblivion ost is mid
@@thewingedpotato6463 going through both osts, oblivion has very few I'd ever actively seek out and listen to. the home screen is excellent, and there are many good songs like auriels ascension and harvest dawn, but they pale in comparison to the dozens of Skyrim atmospheric tracks like far horizons and secunda among many others. Jeremy Soule did a much better job on skyrims ost than oblivions, and that's fact. sure, a critic with his head stuck up his ass like you will claim otherwise, but oblivion has a mostly boring, and uninspired ost compared to skyrim
The thing about Alesia creating the dragons probably refers to Alessia developing the Imperial pantheon of gods by synthesizing individual gods from the Elven and Nordic traditions that would become the 8 (later 9) divines popular in the Empire. By combining the Elven Time God Auri-El with the Nordic Time God Alduin, she created the idea of a universal, multi-faced Time God in Akatosh. Through the worship of this new interpretation of the existing time gods, the modern Akatosh was created as part of the over-soul that includes Auri-El and Alduin. Because of this, Akatosh was a ‘new’ identity and yet had always existed as a god because his power applied retroactively, allowing him to create the dragons before Alesia. Something similar happened when Talos ascended (also as part of an over-soul) and changed Cyrodiil from a jungle to temperate retroactively throughout time.
I thought I WAS watching either a Fudgemuppet/Camelworks video until 40:07. Very well done video, sir. Glad there's another TH-camr covering ES lore - especially Oblivion.
I've always taken to the theory that the giant items were the imperial regalia and throne of the second emperor, son of Alessia and Morihaus the divine bull. He was a minotaur and apparently enormous, given he was a demigod. But after his reign the xenophobic Alessian crusades stamped out nonhuman contributions and they would have thrown the nonhuman emperor's things into the basement.
i do think its a cool idea but also highly unlikely considering the sheer amount of time that passed between then and oblivion. the imperial city in the millenia since Belharza's rule quite literally changed ownership between two entire dynasties and the akaviri potentate, plus an oblivion invasion where the palace was occupied by the worm cult during the second era. I'd be surprised if his stuff survived all that lol
The levitation act reminds me of a quote from a novel called Rasselas: Prince of Abissinia. "If, sir, men were all virtuous, I should with great alacrity teach them all to fly. But what would be the security of the good if the bad could at pleasure invade them from the sky? Against an army sailing through the clouds neither wall, nor mountains, nor seas could afford any security."
In “Thief of Virtue”, it mentions Sutch being located in Hammerfell. I imagine the idea was that the city was spread out on both sides of the Brena River, probably at the mouth
There’s also the Theory that Pelinal is a shezzarine since he does have a large hatred of elves, had legendary feats and cleary has a strong connection to the gods. Personally I think he was a divine construct. Kinda like a “robot” but less “beep boop” and more like a divine machine ; a artificial Et’ada if you will. As for the Hero, I think it was a gradual process of becoming Pelinal, with both flactuating between personalites. Keep in mind the process of manteling goes two ways; Sheogorth for instance became a bit calmer and nicer during Skyrim and you cure someone of their madness with him, implying the Hero was infulcening sheo. This may also work with the Hero becoming Pelinal in Oblivion but the Hero keeping him from randomly killing elves. So now you have three beings; a daedric prince, a angry genocidal crusader and a weeping Hero all in control of a body. I have no mouth and I must scream style. This also fits with Sheogorath’s motif which is three heads fused into one.
Pelinal describes himself as a dream whithout a dreamer. Personally I think he is Shor in flesh but without his heart his power is greatly diminished to the point he can't neither mantain his body for a long time nor keep a straight mind. When he says to aka "for our shared madness" he refers to mundus, as is the shared madness between alduin and shor that keeps this kalpa going on
Considering the Draconis family: What if Perennia Draconis was the one who put out the kill order on Matthieu Bellamont's mother? Since Matthieu Bellamont is not only a Dark Brotherhood member, but a member of the _Black Hand,_ I think it's believable that he would find out she was the one behind his mother's death. Outraged, he would arrange for Perennia to be executed. Not only that, he would also arrange for _her entire family_ to be killed as well, just to twist the knife in further. Really takes the "I'll kill your whole family" threat to a new level, because let's face it: If there's anyone who can back up a threat like that, it's the fucking Dark Brotherhood.
This video is weird to me, it’s an iceberg video but doesn’t give any of the actual reasons for why the topics are there. Like the levitation act was just a way for them to not implement levitation in oblivion cause it would’ve been annoying with loading cities and the deep ones were meant to be unknown creatures because they thought that’d be scarier than showing you what they looked like. Instead it’s just a bunch of really stretched theories.
some of these theories could make some really cool quests. find some cave far away that takes you underground leading to a deep one at the end. meanwhile you were expecting a necromancer...
Headcannon: Sutch was destroyed either during or shortly after the Simulacrum and never recovered, with most of the residents moving to nearby towns and the ruins scavenged until nothing was left but the fort.
Back in 2008 i was 14 years old. I remember hearing people in school talking about oblivion, all the time. I didnt play oblivion, i hadnt got into the genre. But it left me a memory of a game much loved back then. I bought oblivion for my ps3 last year haha, and i love it
Morrowind was allowed to keep its own laws and cultures if they allowed the empire to claim ownership of their province. Which is why Levitation was allowed in Morrowind as well as slavery and other things
I got so excited when I saw you posted another iceberg video! I've really come to enjoy them as there's always things I didn't know about on them! I did some searching on TH-cam about a week ago for an iceberg video on the Dead Space franchise, but couldn't find anything. Perhaps you could make a video on it? That would be amazing! Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks Dustin, really appreciate the motivation, makes me want to make more! I actually haven't played Dead Space, so will have to play it with the rest of my holidays! Having a sniff around at the theories in the franchise, some look pretty juicy, so I will at least look into it! :)
I began out with Morrowind I guess back in the early 2000s. Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO. I never got into this aspect of it all. The gameplay captured me. With the coming of the next game, I will focus more on lore. Thanks for opening our eyes
Daggerfall is awesome, i highly suggest trying it. After escaping Privateer's Hold (the first dungeon) head to the nearest crypt on the map and loot it a few times so you can afford a horse/cart and you're pretty much set for the rest of the game. Watch for time limits on quests and keep watch of your journal, you can also type the names of destinations in and search for them via the map screen. The only difficult part of Daggerfall are the shitty 2.5D maps whilst in dungeons but with enough practice they become second nature. The story is beyond excellent with insane outcomes at the end. For instance I turned Mannimarco (The King of Worms into a moon god). Oblivion feels almost like a Daggerfall 2.0 with Morrowind and Skyrim being outliers.
3:59 That city is in Hammerfell. The quote reads: "In the land of Hammerfell in the city of Sutch there lived a Baron who was quite wealthy." Possible the fort was named after the city in hammerfell
Sutch is also a city in Cyrodil there is more solid lore for that and of course dev info, sutch was partly made in Oblivion including some fighters guild quest refencing it and journal entries, Owen for instance is referred to as being at the sutch guild hall at one point, but it was cut after technical issues forced them to entirely remake Leyawin a far more important city to have being tied up in a fair amount of quests and without it blackwood as a region couldnt really justify it's place in the game, by comparison the gold coast already has anvil and Kvatch which while ruined still gives the idea of a place, so yea the book refering to it as being in hammerfel is the only refrence i think to sutch in hammerfell so its likely the book was wrong or theres another or at some point part of cyrodil was considered hammerfell
One theory I stand by is there was once a third beast race that predates the Elves. The Ayleids. The elves were a powerful group, and Umaril the Unfeathered, well he's called Unfeathered for a reason. Elves don't have wings, and Khajiit have been mentioned to be spotted in Cyrodiil early in the timeline outside of Elswyer. So what I say is that the Ayleids were once a beast race, killed off by the Elves and they took the race's name and built cities over the remains of the original people's settlements, hence the elf race without the Mer name. With magic they made themselves into the former race, but remained mostly elven, gaining wings to be seen on statues and Umaril himself. Makes some sense eh?
This is a very nice theory, wonder if I should slot it into an Iceberg somewhere. In relation to this video, we went through the Song of Pelinal quite a bit, and the Song of Pelinal has a small bird reference too (feathers)! The Song of Pelinal, Volume 2 " (and Pelinal) came to Perrif's camp of rebels holding a sword and mace, both encrusted with the smashed viscera of Elven faces, feathers and magic beads, which were the markings of the Ayleidoon"
Fairly certain that they are definitely elves. Mainly because they are the ancestors of Bretons who had relations with their Nede (Early Humans) slaves to create a mix between man and mer.
Well when the elves were first navigating tamriel they came In contact with a bird like beast race in cyrodil. Umaril title might be a call Back to him being a half God
Could the large furniture and other Artifacts be for Morihaus the Man Bull? He's described as being a large minotaur in the song of pelinel but his statue in oblivion depicts him as Nede human like man so idk
Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls game and it has a special place in my heart. I can't get it to run on my computer properly when I try and play it with a controller, so i haven't been able to play it in a long time but I miss it dearly. I will be looking forward to when I can play Skyblivion.
With the bethesda leak hinting at the Oblivion Remake, it's great coming to get all the extra lore and secrets of the game in preparation. If we really are getting an updated version of Oblivion, I'll lose my mind. It's my favourite game of all time. It's like walking through a painting when exploring the open world. I just hope and pray that if they bring it back, it still has that paintbrush feel to it. I don't want it to look like a molded version of skyrim, it's just something about the charm of how Oblivion is presented that makes it stand out more for me than skyrim.
Best thing about Oblivion that skyrim lacks is the fulfilment of completing a quest. As ur renown grew, so did ur titles. Ur factions had rankings. Skyrim was lackluster in that regard. And rhe quests felt rushed except for main ones.
As for the "Hero of Kvatch is Pelinal", I could actually believe it due to a little gimmick behind mantling: that by mantling someone, you are in turn making them you, similar to how Sheogorath became less malicious in Skyrim by being mantled by a mortal (to the point of treating madness, which should be totally antithetical to his whole being). It wouldn't be the first time that the universe itself retconed reality to solve paradoxes, and I can see the HoK's knowledge of the future sorta leaking backwards into Pelinal's, and so he became at least somewhat aware of humanity's success in taking command of Tamriel, especially with the Reman bloodline. Alternatively, he was a time-travelling robot.
The Pelinal Whitestrake is the Hero of Kvatch theory is hilarious to me, because with him also becoming Sheogorath that fits the mad god character so well, I can just imagine him telling that story over a cup of tea "I used to be a mere mortal myself you know? I was a hero back in the day, saved Nirn and everything, then of course the old Sheogorath turned into Jyggalag and I took his place. Then some time later Akatosh sent me back to the merethic era to go on a genocidal crusade against the elves, then I saved the world again, so on, so on, ect. ect, you get the picture"
The passing of the levitation act should have resulted in a lot of Telvanni Terrorism. The fact it didn't, is clearly completely lore breaking and I refuse to acknowledge its existence therein! Lol
There's a quest in Oblivion where a Dunmer cultist believes the Oblivion Crisis is brought forth by an entity known as The Sunken One, or He Who Shakes The Ground. He goes into a cavern to appease the entity and is never heard from again. When you follow in his footsteps, you come across his corpse and a storm atronach called The Sunken One. Now, I don't believe that the atronach is actually the entity the Dunmer cultist was referring to (things just don't add up), but there could be some connection to the Deep Ones here too.
I had never considered this until now but with regards to the giant throne beneath the white gold tower he left out two important figures. 1. The demigod Morihaus who was Alessia’s lover, he was said to be a winged man-bull so that would’ve warranted a large throne. 2. Belharza the Man-Bull, who was the son of Morihaus and the first of the Minotaurs. (Morihaus was less of a Minotaur and more of a demigod) Belharza, unlike his father, also became second emperor of the Allesian empire. CONCLUSION: I’d wager all of my marbles that the throne in the white gold towers basement belonged to Emperor Belharza the Man-Bull. As far as I know Belharza is the only known emperor who’s stature was much greater than a normal man, and, although his descendants would fall far from grace, seeing as he was the second emperor I would imagine he needed a big throne to sit his big Minotaur ass on.
I love the Levitation Act, even though people can still launch themselves into the air like omni man lmao. I would say it was still permitted because of the armistice due to how dependent many House Telvanni members are on it to navigate their towers. Either way, I doubt Telvanni magisters would care if imperials said they can't fly anymore.
Yeah, Morrowind had a lot of autonomy, including in terms of what Imperial laws worked in the province. This was because Morrowind entered the Empire willingly, and wasn't conquered like the other provinces.
thank you for that amazing video! I grew up with this game and it influenced me a lot :) today I get goosebumps when I hear the Soundtrack like All's Well or Harvest Dawn. It is such an incredible game !!!
sutch in my own head cannon was moved by a pwoerful mage into a unknown relm seperate to nurn and oblivion during the time period in between morrowind and oblivion. i now await to be proven wrong by bethesda(which is more likely than being right) but i still like the idea as it leaves it open for DLC in ES6 where you find out about it and attempt to restore it back to nurn
Oblivion is something I feel should have a remastered version with updated textures and and visuals/mechanics and voice actors. Oblivion seemed so much more in depth then Skyrim and had more unique items.
I believe that vast majority of lore and gameplay is quite dependent on the developers, or I should say all the different developers. There's no conspiracy or unseen plots; just uncoordinated writing.
The Elder scrolls oblivion was the last time I was ever completley blown away by the graphics in a game. The last time I Was ever fully enchanted. I never saw a lot of pictures of elderscrolls oblivion and no gameplay before playing it, I just sort of knew I wanted to play it and bought a 360 when it came out because of it. Once I saw the inside of the cell I was in and how beautiful the stone were I was absolutely star struck by its beauty. I even called my dad in to my room to look at it. How real the people looked was unreal.
really great content and coverage and I'm looking forward to watching more from this guy. but the way he talks with that looping, rhythmic upward-bending pitch is driving me crazy.
To go with St Alessia being the mother of the dragonborn, it's important to remember that Akatosh's aspect of himself to the mortals is quite literally a dragon and Akatosh is the father of the dragons.
Oblivion, to me anyway, always seemed like it had a lot of loose ends or unfinished content. Kinda of like how the first fable game felt unfinished in places, until they released fable the lost chapters.
Alessia was from the area Tiber Septim originated from. He was said to be a Breton who claimed to be from Atmora. It may not be traceable, but it is still possible he's descended from Alessia's line. We don't really know what happened to all her children or later descendants. Hell, we don't even know for certain how many children she actually ended up having. It is likely Sort(?) was destroyed during Tiber Septim's war to conquer the lands that made up the Empire, and the timeline would place it's founding during the first era, like Sancre Tor, which has decayed over the centuries. The old forts in Skyrim likely come from the same time period or a little later, due to the style differences.. The question should be - why weren't they maintained? Yes, the Empire was at peace for long stretches, but a wise one knows that when it comes to Empires, they always fall sooner or later. Tamriel had already suffered several invading forces - the Sload, the Akiviri, , the Yokudans, even the Atmorans. The sea elves attacked Alinor at one point, showing anyone could be attacked at any time by any number of strange creatures. Pelinal is NOT the hero of Kavach. Pelinal is not not a man. He was sent by the god, Akatosh, answering Alessia's prayers. You may have mantled him temporarily to finish his final mission, but you do not become him. Remun was the name of the next Emperor, making his call likely foresight.
The first video game I really got into on console back before Skyrim. Way before. The good ol days! Doing another replay. Have replayed base game since back then but not the shivering isles, I can't wait!
3:57 In the book you show it wrote that the City of Sutch is in Hammerfall, Hammerfall is western province of Cyrodill. In Oblivion you play in Cyrodill land of the Imperial, Hammerfell is the land of the Redguard people
I love the one about the hero of kvatch actually being Pelinal. Theres some time travel stuff going on in Sheogoraths quest in Skyrim too. Pelagius speaks to Sheogorath as if he is still alive, so Sheogorath is influencing Pelagius from the future. If Sheogorath is the one behind the madness of Pelagius, that creates a time paradox in which The Hero of Kvatch reads a book about the madness of pelagius, and then ends up causing it himself as Sheogorath 200 years later, so which came first? The old Sheogorath doing this? Or was it always the hero of kvatch speaking to Pelagius? The exact same could be true of Pelinal. I actually just played the "Lifting the Vale" quest, and at the end you speak to an Akaviri ghost and you can praise Reman for no reason and kill him, which is exactly something he would do if the hero of kvatch were destined to become a time travelling Pelinal.
@@youneverknow111 No it uses skyrims magic system but there will still be spell creation and skyrim admitadley had better magic oblivons boiled down to touch spells and balls and nothing else
Okay I got to the hero of kavach Time travel section Wild idea but does the dragonborn have any dialogue options that allude to a past Because somebody connected to the dragon god of time suddenly appearing seems to be a reoccurring event in history
this game is so cool, for a 2006 game it still looks great for base game. am shock a studio would release a game like this with these types of interacts.
I find it interesting that pelinal whitestrake calls morihous nephew which could mean hes shors or Kynes brother since the winged man bull was the son of kyne I like to think its shors literal brother and why he hates elves so much is the elven gods slew his brother and tore his heart out
I'm not familiar with the intricacies of Elder Scrolls lore, I don't tend to read the books in-game, so this was really cool! I got to learn a lot about the world, and even theories to explain them. This video was great. 👍 I have my own theories on two of them myself, at least the stuff I was made aware of when playing (note that I still don't know that much about Elder Scrolls lore, the former could be completely wrong): With the enlarged items, I think they're a part of some experimentation with new spells/magic, perhaps with the Elder Scroll itself. That's the vibe those items gave me, and it'd make sense they would be in the basement, given they served their purpose by being altered by said experiment. With the theory on who contracted the Dark Brotherhood to assassinate the Draconia family: I've always believed the reasoning for why the entire family was arranged to be assassinated was because the arranger genuinely hated/despised one person in the family, someone they wanted them to suffer so much, that they wanted the entire family dead. Like in "whodunnit?" you can pick up on potential reasonings for why someone would hate a member of the Draconis family. Matthias is rude to others, which is self-explanatory; Caelia is described by her mother's gift list to have "broke so many hearts when she was younger" so a grudge from a former admirer is possible; Sibylla is nearly feral & is said to "probably attack anyone on sight" in the gift list, so I could see killing someone/injuring someone as a possibility; Andreas is pretty direct with his dislike for undesirable customers (ex. the player if his disposition is low), although I admit that's a stretch; and I honestly can't think of any reason for Perennia. It's also possible the person who arranged the contract was unhinged, I mean, assuming my theory is correct, to kill someone's entire family because of one family member, you'd have to at least be a little unhinged to have that sort of logic.
With regards to the theory on the large items in the White Gold basement, there was one key figure that was never mentioned in the video. *Belharza the Man-Bull* Belharza was son of the demigod Morihaus and first of the Minotaurs, he also happens to be the second emperor of the Allesian empire. As far as I know Belharza is the only known emperor who’s stature would’ve been much greater than that of a mans, so yea I’m pretty damn sure that the big throne was for the Minotaur Emperor. Honestly I’m pretty surprised he was never brought up in the video, Morihaus and his son Belharza are very important figures in elder scrolls lore. The large items def weren’t the result of an elder scroll though… elder scrolls are kinda complicated but they are basically the universe and all of time and existence in written form. Not even the gods know the true nature of the elder scrolls. Elder scrolls aren’t used for minor experiments on furniture… they’re more used for breaking timelines, rewriting fate, and altering the laws of existence.
@@carsonnesbit1178 Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh, I don't believe I knew about Belharza before. If I did, I most likely forgot, but yee, that'd explain all of the giant items. Aaaaahhhh, I see, I didn't know that about the Elder Scroll... I think, at least. Its been a few years since I've last played Oblivion, so maybe it was mentioned in-game at some point. You can probably tell I'm not the most knowledgeable on the lore. 😅
@@protocol72 haha no worries it’s not a contest, it’s been awhile since I’ve played oblivion as well, and if your knowledge of elder scrolls comes from oblivion then that would make sense. I would say out of every elder scrolls game oblivion features them the least, with one showing up in the thieves guild quest line. However, what you see the elder scrolls do to Alduin in Skyrim is a good example. Alduin is the form of Akatosh that signals the end of time and eats the world, however, when he became tyrannical and tried to rule it the Nords used an elder scrolls to throw Alduin further in time and postpone the apocalypse. Bethesda originally invented the elder scrolls as a sort of get out of jail free card MacGuffin. I still really enjoy their place in the lore though, this is real deep elder scrolls lore but essentially the entirety of the elder scrolls universe takes place inside a dream, it is the dream of a figure called “the Godhead” and the elder scrolls are sort of manifestations of the rules of the Godheads dream. This is actually crucially linked to how Tiber Septim ascended to godhood and became Talos, to achieve the state of chim and become a god, you must realize that you are a part of the godheads dream and will yourself into existence… if you fail and succumb to the horror that you are a figment of a dream, then you zero-sum and are deleted from all thought and time. A fate far worse than death. Deep michael kirkbride elder scrolls lore gets pretty esoteric but it’s honestly always been my favorite fantasy lore of all time for that reason. The way gods and the universe work in elder scrolls is pretty unique as a result of the hard work from some of the early Bethesda writers. Sorry to ramble lmao, I’m a sucker for this stuff. Anyways yea there’s a lot more crazy lore surrounding elder scrolls that I suggest you look into if your interested :)
@@carsonnesbit1178 Lol, true. I do have a tiny bit of knowledge of the Elder Scrolls from Skyrim (have only played Oblivion & Skyrim, need to play Morrowind one of these days), but it's been at least over six years since I’ve played it, so my knowledge on how they’re used is rusty. I completely forgot Alduin was thrown back in time, I misremembered Aludin being sealed or something along those lines. But yee, that is a really good way of showing how much the Elder Scrolls can manipulate time and space. I see, if that’s the case, the Elder Scroll is the coolest jail free card MacGuffin I’ve seen. And wait, whhhhaaaaa?! O_O Everything in the ES is a dream? That’s… Actually a genuinely really cool way of crafting a universe, I’m surprised I’m just learning this now. It adds a lot to ES’s world without taking away from it like most “it’s all just a dream” reveals do in fictional stories, like maybe the protagonist we play popped into the world with their starting spot in prison without realizing or why the night skies in Oblivion & Skyrim look so dream-like. And Talos becoming a god from realizing he was in a dream is so cool! Although, the idea that one can be erased from failing is terrifying, especially since I imagine it isn’t easy to accept you’re the figment of a dream. No worries, you got me super intrigued in learning more about the deeper Elder Scrolls lore. I’m definitely going to read up on it. :D
I loved oblivion, it is probably the game that I spent most of my time on as a young teenager. I probably have well over a thousand hours in it, that said, when I replayed it last year I was STILL finding new stuff. Or maybe it was just stuff I forgot and rediscovered. Unfortunately, it just doesn't hold up anymore. It is very hard to play these days, I tried using mods but it just made it so unstable that it was unplayable. I probably did something wrong. Of all the games that I want a remaster / remake for, Oblivion is at the top of my list, which is why I am dying inside waiting for Skyblivion.
Nice thinking but I do not think this is exactly right, Lucien Lachance says that the Betrayal (which were the fake orders) happened AFTER the Draconis murders. It still could have been Bellamont but from that conversation it doesn't make it a concrete reason.
Takeaway of this vid: Kirkbride is a writing genius who makes shit up on command and he is not to be trusted under any circumstance lest he soul traps you.
The ESI take place during what is effectively a civil war on the continent, it could have been just depopulated/repopulated, abandoned/reclaimed even multiple times during the Interregnum. Not to mention such possibilities as being haunted by a vampire clan and abandoned as a result of this, or anything else of this sort. Also, there later were the Tiber Wars which led to the beginning of the Third Empire and the 3rd era, maybe, like, Sutch was destroyed as a showcase of the Numidium's power, but such details were omitted in any official Empire's sources cause of course our first emperor and ascended ninth divine was a good guy? Just a theory here
I didn't know a single bit of these theories or lore; glad to see oblivion is still going strong. Xbox game pass makes you buy the dlc piece-by-piece again, if anyone's feeling Real nostalgic. ^^
I’ll never forget walking through the woods in oblivion for hours as a kid, unsure of where to go or how to interact with any of the UI. Randomly stumbling across castles and cabins in extremely out of the way places, made me feel like perhaps I was the first one discovering it. I still find secrets in this nearly 20 year old game.
The memory of running through the wilderness and suddenly start playing auriel's ascension
That was me with Morrowind. Nothing has matched it since, maybe it was cos I was about 12 when it came out it was just so immersive
@@elhefe808think age def had something to do with it.
I was 11 years old and from he front cover for some reason thought it was a call of duty like game, didn’t even look at the back of the case.
Once I started it and started playing I was obsessed, still haven’t got a feeling like that since.
Forgotten, never. I'll never forget the first time I crawled out of the sewer into Cyrodiil and I'll never forget climbing down the spiral staircase into my first Ayleid ruin.
I still play today Oblivion but I now know a lot of gimmicks to "enhance me" but I do remember the good times of grinding !
@@ovidiufarcau243 Me too haha!
Same I ran straight into the king of miscarcand at level one and got my ass spanked by him 😂
This being the first Elder Scrolls game I ever played before even knowing what Elder Scrolls actually was what a wild experience never before had I ever played a sandbox it took me weeks before I first leveled up because I didn't rest I just wanted to go go go
i had the same exact experience. all i new was that i could be a giant cat.
I played the game like 10 times before I ever understood how the leveling system works
Fuck yeah man nostalgia is overwhelming, been wondering for a time now if I should replay it
I was 8 when I first played this game, now I'm 24 with a new save and the nostalgia is awesome. The music is something else
That’s how it was for me
Oblivion was and still continues to be my favorite game of all time.
Same, cant do with Skyrim, though I played it for many years. But Oblivion still reins supreme for me. Along with Daggerfall. I know a lot of younger players joined the franchise from Skyrim, and cant take to Oblivion as they see the graphics as inferior. But I think it still looks really stunning. I started playing TES a year after Arena was released. Wasnt that keen on Arena at the time. It was on a PC my uncle gave me, but I killed a few years on it, as it drew you in with perseverance.
@llyRemasteredMusic I think its really just the map. Theres somthing so incredibly depressing about nordic greenland environments. Just cold harsh tundra as far as the eye can see with cold depressing drauger caves in black grey brown mountains as far as the eye can see.
Oblivion constantly makes you feel hidden traversing these green lush forests and a cave might turn into an aeylid ruin with its own little unscripted quest with locational story telling.
Same.
@@dylanmichael5160 you've never played a different game then lol
@@wiwysova I would doubt that to be true. I came to Oblivion when I was around 16~17 and it's still one of my all time favourite games. Up there with Halo 2, Mass Effect and Warcraft II Tides of Darkness. I have played many, many games. Those games just effected me differently.
I don't know if it's on here, as I've only just clicked the video. I love the theory that Martin isn't Akatosh's chosen, but actually Dagon's. That all of it was actually his plan, including the reincarnated Akatosh banishing him from Nirn. Dagon is the Prince of Destruction, Change and Revolution. He's not Molag Bal, and certainly doesn't have the same intentions as him. Changing one Empire into another ruled by Elves in the Mythic Dawn isn't change for him. It's also why he wants the PC in Skyrim to kill the last remaining Mythic Dawn cultist. Clinging to old ways and old views is everything he's against, so whilst it certainly looks like a 'muhahaha I'm so evil' moment, it makes perfect sense for him when one actually knows what he wants and represents.
Sheorograth is Chaos. Molag Bal is Domination. Dagon is Destruction and Revolution, and at the end of Oblivion's story, the world of Nirn, and even Akatosh himself is forever changed, all according to his plan, which thanks to you, succeeded ever so perfectly.
Here's a weird thought: destruction and revolution are both just aspects of how time works. Destruction is entropy over time. So is Dagon just a combined aspect of Akatosh and Sithis?
Interesting theory, but it implies that Mehrunes Dagon is stronger than Akatosh, which just isn't true, because Akatosh is one of the strongest gods out there (being the first-born of Anu, the primordial force of order, whereas MD is from the second generation of gods). That said, MD is apparently pretty weak when you take lore into account, being thwarted several times in his plan to invade Mundus, including by the Tribunal, who weren't even real gods in the first place.
@@georgeoldsterd8994 From what I know didn't the Aedra sacrifice a lot of their power, and now rely on prayer/holy things for power? That's why the Dragonfires are needed, otherwise MD would just rip open a portal into Mundus and take it over without the Aedra being able to do much about it
I might be wrong though, this is just what I know
Dagon is far far stronger than akatosh. Its pretty well known in the lore that the daedric princes have limitless power and the aedra do not @@georgeoldsterd8994
I do like this. Maybe we can just assume then that the Hero of Kvatch is more than the right person in the right place to become the man to stop the oblivion crisis & is instead the one chosen by Dagon to ensure that Martin is located & destroyed ensuring that the empire changes into a puppet for the Dominion. Basically only 2 main characters aren't godly beings. The 1st games character is just an aprentice who goes to save the emperor & the 2nd games character was sent by the emperor as a blades member to go kill the Daggerfall king who is meant to be dead & deal with the 4 cities that are fighting for power & has a side mission to find the emperors lusty letter that he sent to the queen of daggerfall (if anything that man is consistent with the guy who has an illigitamate son maybe he has many just only one was in the capital.) Then Morrowind has basically dunmer Jesus coming to free them of the false gods of the tribunal & stop daddy dagoth from going crazy (basically your a god sent to stop a god & end the playing of 3 false gods). & Skyrim you are obviously Nord Jesus sent to stop a dragon deal with a civil war & stop vampires. A lot of magic godly beings in these games.
I gotta say that Vin Diesel pic when you said "obsessed with family" really made me laugh.
Couldn't resist the urge to put him in haha
Literally came here to comment this and someone already did. 😂😂
Family family family.
We joke around about Vin in our admin group chat over at Skyrim Guard on Facebook. We consider ourselves all to be family. 💕
@@courtnayhayhayyyyour comment made me think of the video with 20 vin diesel lookalikes chanting that
Well, the Deep Ones being the Sload is the most plausible and probably best option to the mystery of the village in Oblivion.
For, you know, the Sloads were never defeated, they only went underwater and never came back. But what if they're trying to re-emerge in vegeance? I would love to see more of the Sloads and their culture. Snail-like people that are masters of death! Soud cool to me...
Fun fact: in the Russian localization of oblivion the "deep ones" are translated as "deep water denizens" which gives more credit to the sload theory
Back when I still lived with my parents.. back before I was in high school.. the late nights, staying up until the sun came up while the music played running about in Cyrodiil..
I would genuinely give anything to go back and play this game again for the first time. The amount of hours I packed into this game on my ps3. The MEMORIES of this game still stick with me today
Damn, Oblivion really had the best soundtrack. Just hearing it in the background brings me back to when I first played it back in 2007. Skyrim had an okay soundtrack, but it was mostly just layers of drawn out strings. Oblivion had very clear and memorable melodies, with often one main instrument taking the forefront.
There is a sense of serenity & joie de vivre in Oblivions soundtrack that is still so effective to this day
Skyrim ost destroys oblivions ost, admittedly I played Skyrim first but only a few months before oblivion. you are blinded by nostalgia
@@schwany6703 You are deafened and easily amused by the most generic of "epic" orchestral music.
@@thewingedpotato6463 yeah kinda because oblivion is just classical music but worse and Skyrim is awesome and hype. Ive heard much better calm fantasy music in other games like the witcher 1 and 2, and other rpgs. oblivion ost is mid
@@thewingedpotato6463 going through both osts, oblivion has very few I'd ever actively seek out and listen to. the home screen is excellent, and there are many good songs like auriels ascension and harvest dawn, but they pale in comparison to the dozens of Skyrim atmospheric tracks like far horizons and secunda among many others. Jeremy Soule did a much better job on skyrims ost than oblivions, and that's fact. sure, a critic with his head stuck up his ass like you will claim otherwise, but oblivion has a mostly boring, and uninspired ost compared to skyrim
The thing about Alesia creating the dragons probably refers to Alessia developing the Imperial pantheon of gods by synthesizing individual gods from the Elven and Nordic traditions that would become the 8 (later 9) divines popular in the Empire. By combining the Elven Time God Auri-El with the Nordic Time God Alduin, she created the idea of a universal, multi-faced Time God in Akatosh. Through the worship of this new interpretation of the existing time gods, the modern Akatosh was created as part of the over-soul that includes Auri-El and Alduin. Because of this, Akatosh was a ‘new’ identity and yet had always existed as a god because his power applied retroactively, allowing him to create the dragons before Alesia.
Something similar happened when Talos ascended (also as part of an over-soul) and changed Cyrodiil from a jungle to temperate retroactively throughout time.
I thought I WAS watching either a Fudgemuppet/Camelworks video until 40:07. Very well done video, sir. Glad there's another TH-camr covering ES lore - especially Oblivion.
Same, I wish Bethesda showed the other elder scrolls games a lot more love.
I've always taken to the theory that the giant items were the imperial regalia and throne of the second emperor, son of Alessia and Morihaus the divine bull. He was a minotaur and apparently enormous, given he was a demigod. But after his reign the xenophobic Alessian crusades stamped out nonhuman contributions and they would have thrown the nonhuman emperor's things into the basement.
i do think its a cool idea but also highly unlikely considering the sheer amount of time that passed between then and oblivion. the imperial city in the millenia since Belharza's rule quite literally changed ownership between two entire dynasties and the akaviri potentate, plus an oblivion invasion where the palace was occupied by the worm cult during the second era. I'd be surprised if his stuff survived all that lol
The minotaur lore is deeply depressing
The levitation act reminds me of a quote from a novel called Rasselas: Prince of Abissinia.
"If, sir, men were all virtuous, I should with great alacrity teach them all to fly.
But what would be the security of the good if the bad could at pleasure invade them from the sky?
Against an army sailing through the clouds neither wall, nor mountains, nor seas could afford any security."
Pretty sure White Gold tower has solid lore around it that negates the possibility of it being a molag bal temple
It really depends on what the aeylids did woth it, but it was made by the divines
In “Thief of Virtue”, it mentions Sutch being located in Hammerfell. I imagine the idea was that the city was spread out on both sides of the Brena River, probably at the mouth
I’m glad they removed it from that spot. It looks oddly placed lol
Either that, or it was to imply that the region where Sutch was located changed hands several times throughout history.
There’s also the Theory that Pelinal is a shezzarine since he does have a large hatred of elves, had legendary feats and cleary has a strong connection to the gods.
Personally I think he was a divine construct. Kinda like a “robot” but less “beep boop” and more like a divine machine ; a artificial Et’ada if you will.
As for the Hero, I think it was a gradual process of becoming Pelinal, with both flactuating between personalites. Keep in mind the process of manteling goes two ways; Sheogorth for instance became a bit calmer and nicer during Skyrim and you cure someone of their madness with him, implying the Hero was infulcening sheo. This may also work with the Hero becoming Pelinal in Oblivion but the Hero keeping him from randomly killing elves.
So now you have three beings; a daedric prince, a angry genocidal crusader and a weeping Hero all in control of a body.
I have no mouth and I must scream style. This also fits with Sheogorath’s motif which is three heads fused into one.
Beautifully said by the man himself!
Uncle Sheo, what are you doing in the TH-cam Comment section?
Pelinal describes himself as a dream whithout a dreamer. Personally I think he is Shor in flesh but without his heart his power is greatly diminished to the point he can't neither mantain his body for a long time nor keep a straight mind. When he says to aka "for our shared madness" he refers to mundus, as is the shared madness between alduin and shor that keeps this kalpa going on
What, like Lorkhan, Shezarr, Shor, and Sithis is the same being?
@@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544 sorry, but he lost his sword companion (I forgot his name), which he said the phrase after he was calmed by the divines.
Considering the Draconis family: What if Perennia Draconis was the one who put out the kill order on Matthieu Bellamont's mother? Since Matthieu Bellamont is not only a Dark Brotherhood member, but a member of the _Black Hand,_ I think it's believable that he would find out she was the one behind his mother's death. Outraged, he would arrange for Perennia to be executed. Not only that, he would also arrange for _her entire family_ to be killed as well, just to twist the knife in further. Really takes the "I'll kill your whole family" threat to a new level, because let's face it: If there's anyone who can back up a threat like that, it's the fucking Dark Brotherhood.
I love how many perspectives you include for each theory. Great work!
I'd like to point our that during the E3 demo, Sutch was a city in the game. For whatever reason, it was removed.
This video is weird to me, it’s an iceberg video but doesn’t give any of the actual reasons for why the topics are there. Like the levitation act was just a way for them to not implement levitation in oblivion cause it would’ve been annoying with loading cities and the deep ones were meant to be unknown creatures because they thought that’d be scarier than showing you what they looked like. Instead it’s just a bunch of really stretched theories.
some of these theories could make some really cool quests. find some cave far away that takes you underground leading to a deep one at the end. meanwhile you were expecting a necromancer...
Headcannon: Sutch was destroyed either during or shortly after the Simulacrum and never recovered, with most of the residents moving to nearby towns and the ruins scavenged until nothing was left but the fort.
Back in 2008 i was 14 years old. I remember hearing people in school talking about oblivion, all the time. I didnt play oblivion, i hadnt got into the genre. But it left me a memory of a game much loved back then. I bought oblivion for my ps3 last year haha, and i love it
Morrowind was allowed to keep its own laws and cultures if they allowed the empire to claim ownership of their province. Which is why Levitation was allowed in Morrowind as well as slavery and other things
I got so excited when I saw you posted another iceberg video! I've really come to enjoy them as there's always things I didn't know about on them!
I did some searching on TH-cam about a week ago for an iceberg video on the Dead Space franchise, but couldn't find anything. Perhaps you could make a video on it? That would be amazing!
Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks Dustin, really appreciate the motivation, makes me want to make more!
I actually haven't played Dead Space, so will have to play it with the rest of my holidays! Having a sniff around at the theories in the franchise, some look pretty juicy, so I will at least look into it! :)
gotta say at 31:20 I spit my water at Uriel Septim with a Leon Kennedy haircut
Levitation was the reason why the Wizard's Staff was the most useful magic item in Morrowind.
Aryon's dominator was the most useful & only b/c command was ridiculously costly. There's plenty of items that give levitation in morrowind
@@mfspectacular Like a pair of pants from the cave full of false Nerverarines.
I began out with Morrowind I guess back in the early 2000s. Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO. I never got into this aspect of it all. The gameplay captured me. With the coming of the next game, I will focus more on lore. Thanks for opening our eyes
Daggerfall is awesome, i highly suggest trying it. After escaping Privateer's Hold (the first dungeon) head to the nearest crypt on the map and loot it a few times so you can afford a horse/cart and you're pretty much set for the rest of the game. Watch for time limits on quests and keep watch of your journal, you can also type the names of destinations in and search for them via the map screen.
The only difficult part of Daggerfall are the shitty 2.5D maps whilst in dungeons but with enough practice they become second nature. The story is beyond excellent with insane outcomes at the end. For instance I turned Mannimarco (The King of Worms into a moon god).
Oblivion feels almost like a Daggerfall 2.0 with Morrowind and Skyrim being outliers.
The Draconis mom trying to mantle the Night Monther is completely bonkers but I can see the plausibility of it.
Such an amazing video. I was never expecting really the in-depth lore investigations!
3:59 That city is in Hammerfell.
The quote reads: "In the land of Hammerfell in the city of Sutch there lived a Baron who was quite wealthy."
Possible the fort was named after the city in hammerfell
Sutch is also a city in Cyrodil there is more solid lore for that and of course dev info, sutch was partly made in Oblivion including some fighters guild quest refencing it and journal entries, Owen for instance is referred to as being at the sutch guild hall at one point, but it was cut after technical issues forced them to entirely remake Leyawin a far more important city to have being tied up in a fair amount of quests and without it blackwood as a region couldnt really justify it's place in the game, by comparison the gold coast already has anvil and Kvatch which while ruined still gives the idea of a place, so yea the book refering to it as being in hammerfel is the only refrence i think to sutch in hammerfell so its likely the book was wrong or theres another or at some point part of cyrodil was considered hammerfell
One theory I stand by is there was once a third beast race that predates the Elves. The Ayleids. The elves were a powerful group, and Umaril the Unfeathered, well he's called Unfeathered for a reason.
Elves don't have wings, and Khajiit have been mentioned to be spotted in Cyrodiil early in the timeline outside of Elswyer. So what I say is that the Ayleids were once a beast race, killed off by the Elves and they took the race's name and built cities over the remains of the original people's settlements, hence the elf race without the Mer name. With magic they made themselves into the former race, but remained mostly elven, gaining wings to be seen on statues and Umaril himself.
Makes some sense eh?
This is a very nice theory, wonder if I should slot it into an Iceberg somewhere.
In relation to this video, we went through the Song of Pelinal quite a bit, and the Song of Pelinal has a small bird reference too (feathers)!
The Song of Pelinal, Volume 2
" (and Pelinal) came to Perrif's camp of rebels holding a sword and mace, both encrusted with the smashed viscera of Elven faces, feathers and magic beads, which were the markings of the Ayleidoon"
Fairly certain that they are definitely elves. Mainly because they are the ancestors of Bretons who had relations with their Nede (Early Humans) slaves to create a mix between man and mer.
Well when the elves were first navigating tamriel they came In contact with a bird like beast race in cyrodil. Umaril title might be a call Back to him being a half God
Could the large furniture and other Artifacts be for Morihaus the Man Bull? He's described as being a large minotaur in the song of pelinel but his statue in oblivion depicts him as Nede human like man so idk
Oblivion > Skyrim.
based
Real
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Bloodborne > Dark souls > Morrowwind > Oblivion > Skyrim 😉
@@beefyronin souls games bore me to tears tbh
Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls game and it has a special place in my heart. I can't get it to run on my computer properly when I try and play it with a controller, so i haven't been able to play it in a long time but I miss it dearly. I will be looking forward to when I can play Skyblivion.
With the bethesda leak hinting at the Oblivion Remake, it's great coming to get all the extra lore and secrets of the game in preparation. If we really are getting an updated version of Oblivion, I'll lose my mind. It's my favourite game of all time. It's like walking through a painting when exploring the open world. I just hope and pray that if they bring it back, it still has that paintbrush feel to it. I don't want it to look like a molded version of skyrim, it's just something about the charm of how Oblivion is presented that makes it stand out more for me than skyrim.
Best thing about Oblivion that skyrim lacks is the fulfilment of completing a quest. As ur renown grew, so did ur titles. Ur factions had rankings. Skyrim was lackluster in that regard. And rhe quests felt rushed except for main ones.
As for the "Hero of Kvatch is Pelinal", I could actually believe it due to a little gimmick behind mantling: that by mantling someone, you are in turn making them you, similar to how Sheogorath became less malicious in Skyrim by being mantled by a mortal (to the point of treating madness, which should be totally antithetical to his whole being). It wouldn't be the first time that the universe itself retconed reality to solve paradoxes, and I can see the HoK's knowledge of the future sorta leaking backwards into Pelinal's, and so he became at least somewhat aware of humanity's success in taking command of Tamriel, especially with the Reman bloodline.
Alternatively, he was a time-travelling robot.
The Pelinal Whitestrake is the Hero of Kvatch theory is hilarious to me, because with him also becoming Sheogorath that fits the mad god character so well, I can just imagine him telling that story over a cup of tea "I used to be a mere mortal myself you know? I was a hero back in the day, saved Nirn and everything, then of course the old Sheogorath turned into Jyggalag and I took his place. Then some time later Akatosh sent me back to the merethic era to go on a genocidal crusade against the elves, then I saved the world again, so on, so on, ect. ect, you get the picture"
Oblivion was my first dip into elder scrolls, and I still learn new things about it when I play so many years later
The passing of the levitation act should have resulted in a lot of Telvanni Terrorism. The fact it didn't, is clearly completely lore breaking and I refuse to acknowledge its existence therein! Lol
DUDE GO TO THE BLACK HORSE COURIER THEY HIT THE FUCKING WHITE GOLD TOWER!
The lore in Elder Scrolls has always been weak and contradictory.
There's a quest in Oblivion where a Dunmer cultist believes the Oblivion Crisis is brought forth by an entity known as The Sunken One, or He Who Shakes The Ground. He goes into a cavern to appease the entity and is never heard from again. When you follow in his footsteps, you come across his corpse and a storm atronach called The Sunken One. Now, I don't believe that the atronach is actually the entity the Dunmer cultist was referring to (things just don't add up), but there could be some connection to the Deep Ones here too.
The iceberg goes as deep as Shaegorath allows clearly. Until Jygalagg comes out and stops it every so often atleast...
He sounds like the guy from vivaladirtLeague, Ben. Look him up of you don’t believe me, great video regardless!
I always imagined the “deep ones” looked like the creatures from the movie: The Village
I had more of an ithilid feel but apparently it's fat toad looking dudes
thank you for not making a 40 minute video of an iceberg photo with text blocks
By Azura, by Azura, by Azura! It's the Grand Champion! I can't believe it's you! Standing here! Next to me!
Now i want to play it again... game of my childhood... good times.
I had never considered this until now but with regards to the giant throne beneath the white gold tower he left out two important figures.
1. The demigod Morihaus who was Alessia’s lover, he was said to be a winged man-bull so that would’ve warranted a large throne.
2. Belharza the Man-Bull, who was the son of Morihaus and the first of the Minotaurs. (Morihaus was less of a Minotaur and more of a demigod) Belharza, unlike his father, also became second emperor of the Allesian empire.
CONCLUSION: I’d wager all of my marbles that the throne in the white gold towers basement belonged to Emperor Belharza the Man-Bull. As far as I know Belharza is the only known emperor who’s stature was much greater than a normal man, and, although his descendants would fall far from grace, seeing as he was the second emperor I would imagine he needed a big throne to sit his big Minotaur ass on.
This game will always be THE one for me. Not Morrowind, not Skyrim.
Underrated asf channel keep it up
Thanks very much! Appreciate the support - definitely helps my motivation to make more videos! :)
@@natiscool pls do it keeps me sane 😂🤙
Oblivion was the first RPG I ever played, it has since become my favorite genre and it will forever hold a special place for me
I love the Levitation Act, even though people can still launch themselves into the air like omni man lmao. I would say it was still permitted because of the armistice due to how dependent many House Telvanni members are on it to navigate their towers. Either way, I doubt Telvanni magisters would care if imperials said they can't fly anymore.
Yeah i mean what are they gonna do? Fly after them?
Telvani just take laws as recommendations
They don't think they are better
They know they are better
Yeah, Morrowind had a lot of autonomy, including in terms of what Imperial laws worked in the province. This was because Morrowind entered the Empire willingly, and wasn't conquered like the other provinces.
thank you for that amazing video! I grew up with this game and it influenced me a lot :) today I get goosebumps when I hear the Soundtrack like All's Well or Harvest Dawn. It is such an incredible game !!!
sutch in my own head cannon was moved by a pwoerful mage into a unknown relm seperate to nurn and oblivion during the time period in between morrowind and oblivion. i now await to be proven wrong by bethesda(which is more likely than being right) but i still like the idea as it leaves it open for DLC in ES6 where you find out about it and attempt to restore it back to nurn
31:06 "bEIng the prince of mAADNeessss"
Oblivion is something I feel should have a remastered version with updated textures and and visuals/mechanics and voice actors. Oblivion seemed so much more in depth then Skyrim and had more unique items.
That's called remake, remaster is limited to visual improvements.
I believe that vast majority of lore and gameplay is quite dependent on the developers, or I should say all the different developers. There's no conspiracy or unseen plots; just uncoordinated writing.
Oblivion was my first tes game. Still love it
The Elder scrolls oblivion was the last time I was ever completley blown away by the graphics in a game. The last time I Was ever fully enchanted. I never saw a lot of pictures of elderscrolls oblivion and no gameplay before playing it, I just sort of knew I wanted to play it and bought a 360 when it came out because of it. Once I saw the inside of the cell I was in and how beautiful the stone were I was absolutely star struck by its beauty. I even called my dad in to my room to look at it. How real the people looked was unreal.
really great content and coverage and I'm looking forward to watching more from this guy. but the way he talks with that looping, rhythmic upward-bending pitch is driving me crazy.
Low key was waiting for you to do this one
This was Sutch a good video! 😗
Thanks for being Sutch a great audience! 😗
THE MOMENT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR
They shouldn't have tried to explain removing Levitation at all in a game where you break the law all the time
To go with St Alessia being the mother of the dragonborn, it's important to remember that Akatosh's aspect of himself to the mortals is quite literally a dragon and Akatosh is the father of the dragons.
Oblivion, to me anyway, always seemed like it had a lot of loose ends or unfinished content.
Kinda of like how the first fable game felt unfinished in places, until they released fable the lost chapters.
So what you're saying is elder scrolls VI Oblivion II is next 🤔 interesting
Alessia was from the area Tiber Septim originated from. He was said to be a Breton who claimed to be from Atmora. It may not be traceable, but it is still possible he's descended from Alessia's line. We don't really know what happened to all her children or later descendants. Hell, we don't even know for certain how many children she actually ended up having.
It is likely Sort(?) was destroyed during Tiber Septim's war to conquer the lands that made up the Empire, and the timeline would place it's founding during the first era, like Sancre Tor, which has decayed over the centuries. The old forts in Skyrim likely come from the same time period or a little later, due to the style differences.. The question should be - why weren't they maintained? Yes, the Empire was at peace for long stretches, but a wise one knows that when it comes to Empires, they always fall sooner or later. Tamriel had already suffered several invading forces - the Sload, the Akiviri, , the Yokudans, even the Atmorans. The sea elves attacked Alinor at one point, showing anyone could be attacked at any time by any number of strange creatures.
Pelinal is NOT the hero of Kavach. Pelinal is not not a man. He was sent by the god, Akatosh, answering Alessia's prayers. You may have mantled him temporarily to finish his final mission, but you do not become him. Remun was the name of the next Emperor, making his call likely foresight.
The first video game I really got into on console back before Skyrim. Way before. The good ol days! Doing another replay. Have replayed base game since back then but not the shivering isles, I can't wait!
3:57 In the book you show it wrote that the City of Sutch is in Hammerfall, Hammerfall is western province of Cyrodill. In Oblivion you play in Cyrodill land of the Imperial, Hammerfell is the land of the Redguard people
I’m getting my oblivion (among other games too) tattoo sleeve next week. I still play weekly
I love the one about the hero of kvatch actually being Pelinal. Theres some time travel stuff going on in Sheogoraths quest in Skyrim too. Pelagius speaks to Sheogorath as if he is still alive, so Sheogorath is influencing Pelagius from the future. If Sheogorath is the one behind the madness of Pelagius, that creates a time paradox in which The Hero of Kvatch reads a book about the madness of pelagius, and then ends up causing it himself as Sheogorath 200 years later, so which came first? The old Sheogorath doing this? Or was it always the hero of kvatch speaking to Pelagius? The exact same could be true of Pelinal. I actually just played the "Lifting the Vale" quest, and at the end you speak to an Akaviri ghost and you can praise Reman for no reason and kill him, which is exactly something he would do if the hero of kvatch were destined to become a time travelling Pelinal.
I thought was literally about an iceberg you can find in game, swim to the bottom of & see how deep it goes
This makes me so much more excited for skyblivion...the potential....
so can i wield shield and sword at same time while using magic like in oblivion i gues not
@@youneverknow111 No it uses skyrims magic system but there will still be spell creation and skyrim admitadley had better magic oblivons boiled down to touch spells and balls and nothing else
@@matthewhoughton8888 still i want use it like i did in oblivion not in skyrim,never liked skyrim magic,
Bro why does uriel septim have the emo spiderman hair
Brilliant! Excellent video 👍
Oblivion has the most memorable quests out of all the games
I STARTED THIS GAME AT 6 YEARS OLD! Back in 2007. Now I’m 20. This game shaped my life.
same best game ever made
@@MotleyCruz I’m biased since oblivion is my first game I SERIOUSLY got into. Oblivion is the best
Bad parenting ☝️
Cool story dude. Why people feel the need to tell the internet the age they achieved anything on the internet is just stupid and I don't understand it
Morrowind was revolutionary and Skyrim was popular sure but Oblivion will always be memorable due to its absolutely unlimited meme potential
Oblivion was my first elder scrolls truly magical
SO WELL DONE
The town of sutch is cut content, there is a pretty nice video by Triangle city explaining it.
Okay I got to the hero of kavach Time travel section
Wild idea but does the dragonborn have any dialogue options that allude to a past
Because somebody connected to the dragon god of time suddenly appearing seems to be a reoccurring event in history
This is the first game in the elderscrolls i ever played. I had never played one but it shocked me how amazing amd awsome a game could be
how could they remove sutch an interesting town 😥
The lore is one of the reasons I love the elder scrolls
this game is so cool, for a 2006 game it still looks great for base game. am shock a studio would release a game like this with these types of interacts.
I find it interesting that pelinal whitestrake calls morihous nephew which could mean hes shors or Kynes brother since the winged man bull was the son of kyne I like to think its shors literal brother and why he hates elves so much is the elven gods slew his brother and tore his heart out
First time i knew almost all of it, great video!
The whole Sutch segment is pure and utter copium by the fans
I'm not familiar with the intricacies of Elder Scrolls lore, I don't tend to read the books in-game, so this was really cool! I got to learn a lot about the world, and even theories to explain them. This video was great. 👍 I have my own theories on two of them myself, at least the stuff I was made aware of when playing (note that I still don't know that much about Elder Scrolls lore, the former could be completely wrong):
With the enlarged items, I think they're a part of some experimentation with new spells/magic, perhaps with the Elder Scroll itself. That's the vibe those items gave me, and it'd make sense they would be in the basement, given they served their purpose by being altered by said experiment.
With the theory on who contracted the Dark Brotherhood to assassinate the Draconia family: I've always believed the reasoning for why the entire family was arranged to be assassinated was because the arranger genuinely hated/despised one person in the family, someone they wanted them to suffer so much, that they wanted the entire family dead. Like in "whodunnit?" you can pick up on potential reasonings for why someone would hate a member of the Draconis family. Matthias is rude to others, which is self-explanatory; Caelia is described by her mother's gift list to have "broke so many hearts when she was younger" so a grudge from a former admirer is possible; Sibylla is nearly feral & is said to "probably attack anyone on sight" in the gift list, so I could see killing someone/injuring someone as a possibility; Andreas is pretty direct with his dislike for undesirable customers (ex. the player if his disposition is low), although I admit that's a stretch; and I honestly can't think of any reason for Perennia. It's also possible the person who arranged the contract was unhinged, I mean, assuming my theory is correct, to kill someone's entire family because of one family member, you'd have to at least be a little unhinged to have that sort of logic.
With regards to the theory on the large items in the White Gold basement, there was one key figure that was never mentioned in the video.
*Belharza the Man-Bull*
Belharza was son of the demigod Morihaus and first of the Minotaurs, he also happens to be the second emperor of the Allesian empire. As far as I know Belharza is the only known emperor who’s stature would’ve been much greater than that of a mans, so yea I’m pretty damn sure that the big throne was for the Minotaur Emperor. Honestly I’m pretty surprised he was never brought up in the video, Morihaus and his son Belharza are very important figures in elder scrolls lore.
The large items def weren’t the result of an elder scroll though… elder scrolls are kinda complicated but they are basically the universe and all of time and existence in written form. Not even the gods know the true nature of the elder scrolls. Elder scrolls aren’t used for minor experiments on furniture… they’re more used for breaking timelines, rewriting fate, and altering the laws of existence.
@@carsonnesbit1178 Ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh, I don't believe I knew about Belharza before. If I did, I most likely forgot, but yee, that'd explain all of the giant items.
Aaaaahhhh, I see, I didn't know that about the Elder Scroll... I think, at least. Its been a few years since I've last played Oblivion, so maybe it was mentioned in-game at some point.
You can probably tell I'm not the most knowledgeable on the lore. 😅
@@protocol72 haha no worries it’s not a contest, it’s been awhile since I’ve played oblivion as well, and if your knowledge of elder scrolls comes from oblivion then that would make sense. I would say out of every elder scrolls game oblivion features them the least, with one showing up in the thieves guild quest line. However, what you see the elder scrolls do to Alduin in Skyrim is a good example. Alduin is the form of Akatosh that signals the end of time and eats the world, however, when he became tyrannical and tried to rule it the Nords used an elder scrolls to throw Alduin further in time and postpone the apocalypse.
Bethesda originally invented the elder scrolls as a sort of get out of jail free card MacGuffin. I still really enjoy their place in the lore though, this is real deep elder scrolls lore but essentially the entirety of the elder scrolls universe takes place inside a dream, it is the dream of a figure called “the Godhead” and the elder scrolls are sort of manifestations of the rules of the Godheads dream. This is actually crucially linked to how Tiber Septim ascended to godhood and became Talos, to achieve the state of chim and become a god, you must realize that you are a part of the godheads dream and will yourself into existence… if you fail and succumb to the horror that you are a figment of a dream, then you zero-sum and are deleted from all thought and time. A fate far worse than death.
Deep michael kirkbride elder scrolls lore gets pretty esoteric but it’s honestly always been my favorite fantasy lore of all time for that reason. The way gods and the universe work in elder scrolls is pretty unique as a result of the hard work from some of the early Bethesda writers.
Sorry to ramble lmao, I’m a sucker for this stuff. Anyways yea there’s a lot more crazy lore surrounding elder scrolls that I suggest you look into if your interested :)
@@carsonnesbit1178 Lol, true. I do have a tiny bit of knowledge of the Elder Scrolls from Skyrim (have only played Oblivion & Skyrim, need to play Morrowind one of these days), but it's been at least over six years since I’ve played it, so my knowledge on how they’re used is rusty. I completely forgot Alduin was thrown back in time, I misremembered Aludin being sealed or something along those lines. But yee, that is a really good way of showing how much the Elder Scrolls can manipulate time and space.
I see, if that’s the case, the Elder Scroll is the coolest jail free card MacGuffin I’ve seen. And wait, whhhhaaaaa?! O_O Everything in the ES is a dream? That’s… Actually a genuinely really cool way of crafting a universe, I’m surprised I’m just learning this now. It adds a lot to ES’s world without taking away from it like most “it’s all just a dream” reveals do in fictional stories, like maybe the protagonist we play popped into the world with their starting spot in prison without realizing or why the night skies in Oblivion & Skyrim look so dream-like. And Talos becoming a god from realizing he was in a dream is so cool! Although, the idea that one can be erased from failing is terrifying, especially since I imagine it isn’t easy to accept you’re the figment of a dream.
No worries, you got me super intrigued in learning more about the deeper Elder Scrolls lore. I’m definitely going to read up on it. :D
There is a card in the elder scrolls legends that shows the deep one as an ancient storm atronach
You’re referring to the sunken one I believe
I loved oblivion, it is probably the game that I spent most of my time on as a young teenager. I probably have well over a thousand hours in it, that said, when I replayed it last year I was STILL finding new stuff. Or maybe it was just stuff I forgot and rediscovered. Unfortunately, it just doesn't hold up anymore. It is very hard to play these days, I tried using mods but it just made it so unstable that it was unplayable. I probably did something wrong. Of all the games that I want a remaster / remake for, Oblivion is at the top of my list, which is why I am dying inside waiting for Skyblivion.
I’m having no problems running it rn, only using a couple mods and an enb. Willing to help if needed.
Answer to Next of Kin is your second part. It is LITERRALY stated in the game that this orders were faked by the Belamont as member of the Black Hand.
Nice thinking but I do not think this is exactly right, Lucien Lachance says that the Betrayal (which were the fake orders) happened AFTER the Draconis murders. It still could have been Bellamont but from that conversation it doesn't make it a concrete reason.
Super in depth Sutch lore
Takeaway of this vid:
Kirkbride is a writing genius who makes shit up on command and he is not to be trusted under any circumstance lest he soul traps you.
The realms of oblivion dont follow standard linear time. Sutch could very well be the hollow city and still existing in cyrodil simultaniously
I hear NWN audio, and I love it
The ESI take place during what is effectively a civil war on the continent, it could have been just depopulated/repopulated, abandoned/reclaimed even multiple times during the Interregnum. Not to mention such possibilities as being haunted by a vampire clan and abandoned as a result of this, or anything else of this sort. Also, there later were the Tiber Wars which led to the beginning of the Third Empire and the 3rd era, maybe, like, Sutch was destroyed as a showcase of the Numidium's power, but such details were omitted in any official Empire's sources cause of course our first emperor and ascended ninth divine was a good guy? Just a theory here
I didn't know a single bit of these theories or lore; glad to see oblivion is still going strong.
Xbox game pass makes you buy the dlc piece-by-piece again, if anyone's feeling Real nostalgic. ^^