Whoever originally flung baar dau doesn't matter. The fact that vivec left it there to force people to worship him is the reason it fell in the end. My headcanon is that vivec never actually achieved CHIM, he only got the basic idea of a greater being from molag bal. If he had achieved CHIM he wouldn't have cared at all that they lost access to the heart as he would have the power to literally reshape reality to his whim. And the reason he finally vanished is he attempted to witness the godhead and ended up zero summing.
@@CyrodiilCome Then that would make Chim completely pointless. But then what about Talos when he changed cyrodiil from Jungle to plains, and altering history to fit that fact? The separation of Akatosh, and Auri-el? The dragon breaks? The dwemer using Tonal architecture, and their numidium? The the other mortals who reached God hood? Heart of Lorkhan, and the tribunal? Or Lorkhan and the other etAda making Mundus? There are a lot reality warping/bending going on, but they don't count?
The Last Dragonborn: Becomes Hermaeus Mora’s eternal bitch. The Nerevarine: Might be the immortal hero of prophesy, also might just be an asymptomatic zombie… doesn’t really give a fuck either way and is currently chilling in magic weeb land.
This was my WOW. I played thousands of hours of Morrowind through my early years, and I don't expect to ever have that feeling again. I'll always chase the dragon of the morrowind experience.
I like the idea of flipping this around and instead of it being an "Iceberg" it's the Red Mountain. You start at the summit, aka the part of the Volcano most commonly seen, as it's the highest up and therefore more visible across the land. Then the entrance to the volcano, where only those actively seeking it might see it or heard stories from those who've ventured. Diving deeper reveals the depths of the Volcano, for only the most dedicated adventurers who are prepared and knowledgeable on what they're looking for. leading to the core of the Volcano, stuff that nobody but maybe the most knowledgeable of the lands or those who've studied it beyond anybody else, covering wide-reaching but basically unknown topics. To me it would match nicely as the Eruption was felt all across Vvardenfell, symbolizing it's wide reaching effects across Morrowind as in the game for the player, all coming from a place most of the people of the land (Players with less experience) not knowing much about. But my sleep schedule is beyond messed and it's 9 AM as I right this, and I'm only just now about to go to bed so maybe I'll wake up and think this is silly.
The voice acting here gives me life. Makes me wish these characters were actually voiced in-game, and this is coming from someone who loves the versatility of text style dialogue.
A moon sugar fortified experience........... Having recently played morrowind this game is such a trip The first time you meet the main story Quest Giver he has a Skooma pipe and moon sugar next to his bed priceless I don't think Bethesda has the balls to do something so Grand again
its not bethesta and they never had the balls. the devs and designers actively had to work around people like todd howard to do cool shit by fooling him, amongst other things. it was also a very community driven writing process, essentially stemming from forum role play. funnily enough another game stemming from such role play got popular recently. its called fear and hunger... i dont like the game but its got the same spirit as what made ES cool at least from a writing perspective.
A good little detail to think about is that the Dwemer are a race that are logical, they do believe that the God’s exist, but that they are just powerful spirits, not gods, and they can be fooled (Azura and the box), so if they were confronted with the reality that they do not exist, their logical minds could not comprehend that. Vivec was able to overcome it because of his pride. He was determined that he exists and was able to achieve godhood. Tiber Septim probably did the same thing. So it’s more than likely that all the Dwemer could not face the eldritch truth with their logical mind
"Azura and the box" and also the series it is apart of "The tales of the Dwemer" is a fictional series though so its not real, it is also cemented by the fact the NPC that wrote it Gor Felim who went by the invented identity of Dwemer scholar Marobar Sul. Gor Felim was a NPC that wrote fictional works for entertainment purposes.
@@jenkims1953 true, but there has to be a background for why it is fictional and what the Dwemer were capable of, I still think it is true that they were just too logical of a race and thought that the whole metaphysical aspect was able to be reasoned with
@@RomanStan Yeah but there is no point overthinking it because there is to much unknown concerning the race. The texts are fiction so we know for a fact its not a real series. What we do know or at least can speculate. Dwenmer are descendants of Aldmer which means they are Anuic in nature they are also the first known inhabitants of Dwenmereth > Resdayn > (after they departed later Morrowind), They denied the gods especially Daedra(Yes Daedra are still a form of gods just with denounced estate) that we know of but at the same time Dwenmer are seen praising various figures in tapestries and murals etc which are unknown. Numidium the brass god was their idol/god that we know about and borrows heavily from real world religion like tower of babel (transcendence back to heaven) and the various brass idol worship that is throughout real world religion. Numidium in Morrowind is transcendence of godhood it is also referenced as the brass tower as in tower to heaven. The tower was also going to be used against the Chimer at the battle but obviously they disappeared before that could happen. The Brass tower was also Anuic and Padomaic at the same time as it contained Lorkan's heart but was built by descendants of anu. Meaning that it combined features to it of both anu and padomay. Basically they wanted to be their own gods imo or at least create their own religion/pantheon. A Fictional series has no grounds here really because its well fiction and written by someone who writes entertainment.
Great to hear from you again Angel! Glad that you enjoyed it! I always love a good comedic relief character, like M'aiq, I actually like Jar Jar Binks 😬
I think the 'ghosts' are projections. Remember the Skyrim quest where the Argonian lady begged you to take the lexicon back to the ruin they got it from? They clearly were capable of it. It's possible that the book is coded, which is why it makes no sense. Or, the characters aren't designed to be translated into the 'common tongue'. The Dwenmer did not reach the level of godhead. They all just went somewhere else. Dude said it was far into the future. I'm figuring that's as likely as any other reasonable explanation, though I'd take his word, since he was one of the writers. Of course, it could have been changed since for any number of reasons. Anyway - Godhead is a state of mind, not a place of existence. It is the realization that the universe is a dream by one higher than all the gods, and when the dreamer wakes up, the universe will be no more. When one reaches that place and accepts it, they, too, become a godhead and can change the world to their liking. It's said Tiber Septim reached this state, which is why he became an official god. He is why Cyrodil is no longer a jungle, as it was up until he died, I guess.That's what I've gathered, anyway.
Morrowind what a fascinating Gem of an Elder Scrolls game the utterly alien inhospitable land of Morrowind and the isle of vvardenfell is simply one of the greatest game worlds ever created with many different biomes complete with tribes multiple towns sprawling cities many interesting and imaginative characters, A thoroughly brilliant but insane alchemy potion making system the ability to levitate not to mention the wondrous creature known as the Cliff racers some of the Mysteries and lesser known topics are some of the most captivating stories ever told in the Elder Scrolls universe..... look forward to a very in-depth and thorough look at the greatest game in the Elder Scrolls series
32:00: After fan backlash over a claim the jungle thing was a 'translation error', there was an additional volume in Elder Scrolls Online that hypothesizes the control of the White-Gold Tower allows one to control the climate of Cyrodil. At some point in time, a race that preferred a jungle controlled the Tower, pre-ESO. Of course it's Elder Scrolls, so there can be more than one explanation that's true.
How is that better? It was like one line of description before 2006. People weren't attached to it because they worship the lore and will accept only the highest-quality of retcons. They just thought Oblivion's setting was a pretty generic LotR-derived medieval European setting, in contrast to the alien Morrowind before it, and that keeping it a jungle centered around a canal city capitol would have been more interesting. Whether it was a weather tower or a false god that Tolkeinified things hardly matters.
The sad thing is that High Rock makes for a better LOTR fantasy province. It would have been cool if Cyrodil in oblivion was more Mediterranean to evoke Roman empire vibes
Everytime I see Morrowind, especially when it's modded to look this good, I wish for a remaster, or better yet, a from the ground up remake, built for modern technology. So much of that game's charm and beauty was from its story, characters, and overall design, but to a lot of modern gamers, all of that is lost due to the "bad graphics" (Which were really good for the time). Fantastic Video!
So far, the Tamriel Rebuilt & Skywind projects are the closest we Morrowind fans can anticipate to fulfill wishes of a remake -- TR for gamers who either still have the original TES3 release or (maybe?) OpenMW, Skywind for gamers who have Skyrim & would like a total conversion mod that remakes Morrowind using the TES5 game engine.
I do think the writings bring some things to light that I hadn't thought of before. We see "Without a trace" and "Turned to dust" as a contraction but it could be more than that, maybe "Turned to dust" is an eye witness testimony and "Without a trace" is a vague recount or written by someone less perceptive. I do think these were the intended path for at least these Dwemer and not so much a contradiction.
Love this game!!!! Been waiting for a good iceberg vid on it!! You did a great job on this! This game is super personal to me cuz my mom used to play it every morning and me and my siblings would watch. Some of my best memories!
Not sure if there is any lore to combat this theory, but it seems like the player is the godhead (or maybe the developers). It is the player that starts the game and plays, which causes the events to happen. The game state is the state of the player’s dream. When NPCs achieve chim they try to trick us into believing they hold the power over us when they really don’t (power of our choices, turn off the game, restart the game, use cheats, etc.)
If anything, the god head is the collective will of the players, fans, and developers. The players and fans desires shape the lore and world of the Elder scrolls as the developers create the games in ways that will please them
Im actually replaying morrowind this summer , fully modded , tamriel rebirth , 2k-4k upscales in graphics and i found that old Rpg world magic back. I felt like a child again. Much love to all the modders out there.
I figure the Temple suppressed knowledge of the vampirism cure because it would lead people to seek Molag Bal (a hated daedra in their religion and member of the house of troubles) for assistance
Love to see that you're continuing the Elder Scrolls videos, found you through the Skyrim iceberg and been here since. Watched all of your other content and surprised you don't have millions of subs, keep up all the great work 👍
The multiplayer server i am on repurposed the pool of forgetfulness to reset your skills at 100 to 15 so that you can continue leveling without having to go to jail over and over again.
Vivec absolutely could move Baar Dau or have it destroyed in the air, they have succesfully hollowed it out so it can be damaged and stone taken away from it.
@@ClockworkGearhead Thats an entirely unrelated story of an entirely different deity, we know for a fact Baar Dau can have material removed from it which means we know from a fact he can destroy it
@@moskaumaster1594 No, Vivic can't, because other deities have designs on it. Like, the point of the example is to prove that the gods have weird limitations that are unexpected. Same goes for Vivec. Logic isn't a factor, the demonstration is. Besides, you're taking the fact he's omnipotent from his very own mouth. Consider the source.
@@ClockworkGearhead I’m not calling Vivec omnipotent I am pointing at the very obvious in universe thing of they hollowed out Baar Dau and put a prison inside of it, if they can hollow it out that means the Dunmer can damage it and if the Dunmer can damage it then they could mine the entire thing if they wanted to. It’s not because sheogorath is actively contending with Vivec constantly over the damn thing (especially not since Tiber Septim lit the dragon fires)
It's so funny. The inflection in your voice gets higher and higher with each video you do. It's like story time where all the kids gather around and the teacher reads them a story. That's what it reminds me of. No hate I just thought it was funny coming from your Dark Souls video which has a more serious tone. Great video as always.
I love how realistically the stories of the elder scrolls are told to us. We never hear the truth only half truths & have to make of it as we see fit as is with real history. Thinking of the Neravar & his fate is similar to what happened to many great warriors & how their people turned against them but how this happened is a mystery. Its far better than having accurate non-conflicting accounts as well the lore is not clear cut & nobody can know the whole truth.
I just looked when the war of the first council happened and when old mournhold was destroyed by merunes dagon. The war with thw dwemer took place first, but if those ashpiles were actually dwemer, then they had an entire army and city below mournhold despite being at war with them.
“Creations are official releases, but it’s also understandable that a site like UESP or the Imperial Library would take CC with a grain of salt.” This doesn’t mean creation club content is canon. It means they sold it for money. In fact, this line suggests we *shouldn’t* take CC content as canon, given that UESP/IL are our sources of fact.
my longstanding interpretation of the dwemer ashes in bamz-amschend under mournhold has been that those dwemer were all somehow killed prior to the the dwemer disappearance. we have dwemer bones so this could lend more credence to the dwemer zero-sum family of theories, as dwemer remains... remaining suggests cognition or souls or something were a requirement to be disappeared. i'm stopping myself from further speculating about intact dwemer corpses vs. non-intact dwemer corpses because it's two hours past my usual bedtime. my purely speculative hunch is that some group or individual aligned with the chimer (or at least, opposed to the dwemer) wiped out the dwemer city during the war of the first council. the battle at red mountain was the last battle of that war but there definitely had to have been some pretty horrific violence prior to that final event. it's plausible to me that the dwemer got incinerated, then the chimer seized the existing settlement. later they chimerify (and then, post-azura, dwemerify) the surface, eventually leading to the city of mournhold. or it could just be a bethesda decision like "hey we can do some more environmental storytelling if we have dwemer ash piles" but i feel like the more serious writer nerds would have pitched a howling fit over such a massive change to depicting post-disappearance dwemer stuff. if i'm wrong someone please yell at me. i would love to have information that contradicts my assumptions about this stuff. i like tes lore but i'm far from an expert on it. i just like collecting and reading books in morrowind.
Then one day, the Daedric prince who cursed Dwemer to turn into mudcrabs gets bored and snaps their ethereal fingers. All over Tamriel thousands of mudcrabs are reverted into Dwemer at the bottom of bodies of water. Dead dwarves and confused living ones alike are found. They have time enough to ask a few questions from confused peasants engaged in fishing or farming, before all dwarves are returned into mudcrabs. The Daedric prince got bored once more, and felt like nah, that wasn't it.
31:30 i mean there's such a thing as a temperate rainforests which is what the UK and most of northern europe would have been like in the medieval ages
Dwemer achieving zero sum and leaving behind ruins is still possible. My head canon looks at it like this - TES2 causes a dragon break because of the number of endings the game can have. All happen and all didn't happen. There are people who remember each event occurring because of the dragon break. Now apply this to the Dwemer. The dwemer can alter the dream's reality using their technology and tonal architecture. An entire race can modify reality using their technology. Now have that race go to war against magical reality benders like the Tribunal. Reality would have been so warped by both sides that a dragon break occurred(especially if the dwemer were pushed to try something drastic), wiping the dwemer from existence but leaving behind their tonal architecture and other technology. Also I vaguely recall the dwemer having a psychic network where they could communicate across vast distances. If just one of them discovers the reality of the dream then that knowledge would spread across the communication network. Every dwemer who was still on mundus would then zero sum. I could be misremembering the psychic communication network though.
I'm so glad I found your channel recently! You have a great voice you should consider some voice work! Even your approximation of a female voice is good and slightly amusing 😅 great work keep it up ❤❤❤❤
one more tidbit to consider for the mudcrab merchant is that the only other canon non-race merchant is Creeper the Scamp, who has been revealed to actually be Barbas the side kick of Cavicus Vile, so is the mudcrab merchant really another Daedra in disguise?
Never before have I used this word before, but I have to let it loose when my favorite game is on the line ... the voice acting at the 7:00 mark is disturbingly cringe.
It kinda is a Mehrunes Dagon thing to do. The boulder ended the temples reign over Morrowind by destroying Vivec and large parts of the Vvardenfell afterall.
Vivec absolutely wanted to keep it there as a means of reinforcing the people's faith in him. A number of things could have been done to fix it, but Vivec was either unwilling at first, or later, incapable of removing it.
@@ashwhiteforest9078 "Can´t we remove this boulder somehow?" Vivec: " Broooo, trust me, this boulder will never fell" *The world 200 years late* "You suck, Vivec..."
People love Skyrim so much but to me it just felt so disrespectfully dumbed down compared to Morrowind and on top of that, by the time I got to it (a couple years ago) the graphics felt horrible. I know Morrowind graphics are horrendous but at least it has an insanely deep story every single direction you take and so much content for you to explore.
The reason why there are no Dwemer ghosts in Skyrim is because Bethesda forgot its own lore, was a sign of them dumbening things down and this resulted in a slip, as Dwemer weren't meant to be so far away from Morrowind. Now, imagine if Dwemer Ruins, and Markhart, were instead Falmer ruins, and all robots were left out, all the dwemer-y stuff not existing. Now THAT would've been a better choice
Bethesda: "Creation Club content are official releases" You: "we should take all of them with a grain of salt" Bruh cc dlc is official, wtf are you on?
The people who claim to understand Elder Scrolls lore are often just Michael Kirkbride followers or they approach lore as having a strict, singular interpretation, which isn't true.
All the weird pronunciations bug me when trying to watch this. Nera-Veer-in? "Of the underworld hayds? And how did you get "Ahbolam" from Omalen Ancestral Tomb? Have you actually played the game? Or am I super ignorant and this is just how your local dialect is? I just have a hard time believing someone who played through Morrowind and heard Nerevarine pronounced over and over again would say it in some way like a reporter who never played the game would read it off a teleprompter.
easy explanation for dwemer ghosts not being in skyrim, is the same for horkers being different, and those ice creatures that guarded castle kaarsthag not being in solestheim, they were too lazy, or just didn't want to add them
i feel a little more care could've been taken with this video. many small errors (pronounciation, misleading on-screen footage) built up and lowered the quality of an otherwise good video.
This isn’t really an iceberg video…..It’s interesting, I’ll give you that; but it definitely isn’t an iceberg video and shouldn’t be called one. Also, you’re really hard to understand sometimes, and it’s not the accent.
Whoever originally flung baar dau doesn't matter. The fact that vivec left it there to force people to worship him is the reason it fell in the end. My headcanon is that vivec never actually achieved CHIM, he only got the basic idea of a greater being from molag bal. If he had achieved CHIM he wouldn't have cared at all that they lost access to the heart as he would have the power to literally reshape reality to his whim. And the reason he finally vanished is he attempted to witness the godhead and ended up zero summing.
I think it's not right to say he used it to force worship, that's not quite what is going on
Constant use of CHIM risks the world ending. Hense why he didn't just make himself an all powerful God and wipe away all rivals
@@CyrodiilCome Gains the ability to to warp reality to his whim, but can't stopped the end of the world?
@noangles1564 yes because if that is what the dreamer wants/dreams of. Changing that would run the risk of waking the dreamer
@@CyrodiilCome Then that would make Chim completely pointless. But then what about Talos when he changed cyrodiil from Jungle to plains, and altering history to fit that fact? The separation of Akatosh, and Auri-el?
The dragon breaks? The dwemer using Tonal architecture, and their numidium? The the other mortals who reached God hood? Heart of Lorkhan, and the tribunal? Or Lorkhan and the other etAda making Mundus? There are a lot reality warping/bending going on, but they don't count?
The Last Dragonborn: Becomes Hermaeus Mora’s eternal bitch.
The Nerevarine: Might be the immortal hero of prophesy, also might just be an asymptomatic zombie… doesn’t really give a fuck either way and is currently chilling in magic weeb land.
So they're both bitches, nice.
@@carsonnesbit1178 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵 tinickels 🥵🥵🥵🥵
The Hero of Kvatch: Cheese!
This was my WOW. I played thousands of hours of Morrowind through my early years, and I don't expect to ever have that feeling again. I'll always chase the dragon of the morrowind experience.
Bro same. Like I’d give almost anything to be able to experience it again like I did my second or third playthrough
I started Daggerfall Unity last night. It's like scratching an itch through a ski jacket.@@declanlee6894
Yeah I played it on pc when I was like 12 or 13…. Then later on Xbox.. funny how magic times you never realize you’re having until they’re gone
I like the idea of flipping this around and instead of it being an "Iceberg" it's the Red Mountain. You start at the summit, aka the part of the Volcano most commonly seen, as it's the highest up and therefore more visible across the land. Then the entrance to the volcano, where only those actively seeking it might see it or heard stories from those who've ventured. Diving deeper reveals the depths of the Volcano, for only the most dedicated adventurers who are prepared and knowledgeable on what they're looking for. leading to the core of the Volcano, stuff that nobody but maybe the most knowledgeable of the lands or those who've studied it beyond anybody else, covering wide-reaching but basically unknown topics. To me it would match nicely as the Eruption was felt all across Vvardenfell, symbolizing it's wide reaching effects across Morrowind as in the game for the player, all coming from a place most of the people of the land (Players with less experience) not knowing much about.
But my sleep schedule is beyond messed and it's 9 AM as I right this, and I'm only just now about to go to bed so maybe I'll wake up and think this is silly.
This is neat.
Voice acting for the mudcrab was real fucking good.
The voice acting here gives me life. Makes me wish these characters were actually voiced in-game, and this is coming from someone who loves the versatility of text style dialogue.
A moon sugar fortified experience...........
Having recently played morrowind this game is such a trip
The first time you meet the main story Quest Giver he has a Skooma pipe and moon sugar next to his bed priceless
I don't think Bethesda has the balls to do something so Grand again
Hey, Hey people!
its not bethesta and they never had the balls.
the devs and designers actively had to work around people like todd howard to do cool shit by fooling him, amongst other things.
it was also a very community driven writing process, essentially stemming from forum role play.
funnily enough another game stemming from such role play got popular recently. its called fear and hunger... i dont like the game but its got the same spirit as what made ES cool at least from a writing perspective.
@@rko2016fear and hunger mentioned
it's definitely got the same spark, the gameplay's just super unforgiving
@@roosterdfSeth here
A good little detail to think about is that the Dwemer are a race that are logical, they do believe that the God’s exist, but that they are just powerful spirits, not gods, and they can be fooled (Azura and the box), so if they were confronted with the reality that they do not exist, their logical minds could not comprehend that.
Vivec was able to overcome it because of his pride. He was determined that he exists and was able to achieve godhood. Tiber Septim probably did the same thing. So it’s more than likely that all the Dwemer could not face the eldritch truth with their logical mind
"Azura and the box" and also the series it is apart of "The tales of the Dwemer" is a fictional series though so its not real, it is also cemented by the fact the NPC that wrote it
Gor Felim who went by the invented identity of Dwemer scholar Marobar Sul. Gor Felim was a NPC that wrote fictional works for entertainment purposes.
@@jenkims1953 true, but there has to be a background for why it is fictional and what the Dwemer were capable of, I still think it is true that they were just too logical of a race and thought that the whole metaphysical aspect was able to be reasoned with
@@RomanStan Yeah but there is no point overthinking it because there is to much unknown concerning the race. The texts are fiction so we know for a fact its not a real series.
What we do know or at least can speculate. Dwenmer are descendants of Aldmer which means they are Anuic in nature they are also the first known inhabitants of Dwenmereth > Resdayn > (after they departed later Morrowind), They denied the gods especially Daedra(Yes Daedra are still a form of gods just with denounced estate) that we know of but at the same time Dwenmer are seen praising various figures in tapestries and murals etc which are unknown.
Numidium the brass god was their idol/god that we know about and borrows heavily from real world religion like tower of babel (transcendence back to heaven) and the various brass idol worship that is throughout real world religion. Numidium in Morrowind is transcendence of godhood it is also referenced as the brass tower as in tower to heaven.
The tower was also going to be used against the Chimer at the battle but obviously they disappeared before that could happen.
The Brass tower was also Anuic and Padomaic at the same time as it contained Lorkan's heart but was built by descendants of anu. Meaning that it combined features to it of both anu and padomay.
Basically they wanted to be their own gods imo or at least create their own religion/pantheon.
A Fictional series has no grounds here really because its well fiction and written by someone who writes entertainment.
Yay, I'm glad we got a Maiq cameo, he's so funny, even if he's not strictly a morrowind character.
Another amazing iceberg, thank you!
Great to hear from you again Angel! Glad that you enjoyed it! I always love a good comedic relief character, like M'aiq, I actually like Jar Jar Binks 😬
@@natiscool Havent seen the prequels in 20 years almost so I cant judge you.
I don't understand. He's originally from Morrowind, as shown in this video.
@@generatoralignmentdevalue He's originally from Morrowind, but he does appear in other games, thus, he's not a morrowind only character
I think the 'ghosts' are projections. Remember the Skyrim quest where the Argonian lady begged you to take the lexicon back to the ruin they got it from? They clearly were capable of it.
It's possible that the book is coded, which is why it makes no sense. Or, the characters aren't designed to be translated into the 'common tongue'.
The Dwenmer did not reach the level of godhead. They all just went somewhere else. Dude said it was far into the future. I'm figuring that's as likely as any other reasonable explanation, though I'd take his word, since he was one of the writers. Of course, it could have been changed since for any number of reasons. Anyway - Godhead is a state of mind, not a place of existence. It is the realization that the universe is a dream by one higher than all the gods, and when the dreamer wakes up, the universe will be no more. When one reaches that place and accepts it, they, too, become a godhead and can change the world to their liking. It's said Tiber Septim reached this state, which is why he became an official god. He is why Cyrodil is no longer a jungle, as it was up until he died, I guess.That's what I've gathered, anyway.
I loved your video and especially noticed how there was always something to look at. Not just the same stationary pictures over and over.
Morrowind what a fascinating Gem of an Elder Scrolls game the utterly alien inhospitable land of Morrowind and the isle of vvardenfell is simply one of the greatest game worlds ever created with many different biomes complete with tribes multiple towns sprawling cities many interesting and imaginative characters,
A thoroughly brilliant but insane alchemy potion making system the ability to levitate not to mention the wondrous creature known as the Cliff racers some of the Mysteries and lesser known topics are some of the most captivating stories ever told in the Elder Scrolls universe..... look forward to a very in-depth and thorough look at the greatest game in the Elder Scrolls series
32:00: After fan backlash over a claim the jungle thing was a 'translation error', there was an additional volume in Elder Scrolls Online that hypothesizes the control of the White-Gold Tower allows one to control the climate of Cyrodil. At some point in time, a race that preferred a jungle controlled the Tower, pre-ESO. Of course it's Elder Scrolls, so there can be more than one explanation that's true.
Better explanation is that Bethesda suck at lore.
How is that better? It was like one line of description before 2006. People weren't attached to it because they worship the lore and will accept only the highest-quality of retcons. They just thought Oblivion's setting was a pretty generic LotR-derived medieval European setting, in contrast to the alien Morrowind before it, and that keeping it a jungle centered around a canal city capitol would have been more interesting. Whether it was a weather tower or a false god that Tolkeinified things hardly matters.
The sad thing is that High Rock makes for a better LOTR fantasy province. It would have been cool if Cyrodil in oblivion was more Mediterranean to evoke Roman empire vibes
@@Valkbg"Bethesda sucks at lore" Mans used all 3% of his brain commenting that
@@autsnim That doesn't even make sense.
Everytime I see Morrowind, especially when it's modded to look this good, I wish for a remaster, or better yet, a from the ground up remake, built for modern technology. So much of that game's charm and beauty was from its story, characters, and overall design, but to a lot of modern gamers, all of that is lost due to the "bad graphics" (Which were really good for the time). Fantastic Video!
So far, the Tamriel Rebuilt & Skywind projects are the closest we Morrowind fans can anticipate to fulfill wishes of a remake -- TR for gamers who either still have the original TES3 release or (maybe?) OpenMW, Skywind for gamers who have Skyrim & would like a total conversion mod that remakes Morrowind using the TES5 game engine.
we need to wait for Todd Howard to retire, and then beg his successor to remake morrowind
Damn, this video made me want to finally try morrowind. Awesome iceberg coverage 🔥
I do think the writings bring some things to light that I hadn't thought of before. We see "Without a trace" and "Turned to dust" as a contraction but it could be more than that, maybe "Turned to dust" is an eye witness testimony and "Without a trace" is a vague recount or written by someone less perceptive. I do think these were the intended path for at least these Dwemer and not so much a contradiction.
“The egg of time” *a pair of massive Dwemer hammers on either side of the ‘egg’* yeah, this right here, Officer!
Damn man. Big fan of how you articulate yourself
Love this game!!!! Been waiting for a good iceberg vid on it!! You did a great job on this!
This game is super personal to me cuz my mom used to play it every morning and me and my siblings would watch. Some of my best memories!
Thanks for this comment holly! I'm glad you enjoyed both the video and Morrowind! :) Comments like this make my day!
That's awesome.
Not sure if there is any lore to combat this theory, but it seems like the player is the godhead (or maybe the developers). It is the player that starts the game and plays, which causes the events to happen. The game state is the state of the player’s dream. When NPCs achieve chim they try to trick us into believing they hold the power over us when they really don’t (power of our choices, turn off the game, restart the game, use cheats, etc.)
If anything, the god head is the collective will of the players, fans, and developers. The players and fans desires shape the lore and world of the Elder scrolls as the developers create the games in ways that will please them
Im actually replaying morrowind this summer , fully modded , tamriel rebirth , 2k-4k upscales in graphics and i found that old Rpg world magic back. I felt like a child again. Much love to all the modders out there.
Production quality is TOO HIGH
Thanks! I'll make sure to lower the quality next time! 😉
What were we doing with keenin and the soul gem in skyrim that our friend that attcked it vanished?
That's the craziest mission in all of skyrim, the sigil stone and shit, that shit is an intense side quest
I figure the Temple suppressed knowledge of the vampirism cure because it would lead people to seek Molag Bal (a hated daedra in their religion and member of the house of troubles) for assistance
Big fan of the voice acting; amazing job! ✨
Love to see that you're continuing the Elder Scrolls videos, found you through the Skyrim iceberg and been here since. Watched all of your other content and surprised you don't have millions of subs, keep up all the great work 👍
You should do a Daggerfall and Arena Iceberg!
I have thousands of games... This one is my favorite... (also like vampire the masquerade bloodlines)
28:58 you are so close to Patrick Stewart it's crazy
I still believe there was much more to the lore of both Dumac and Kagrenac that has never been fully explored - sometimes intentionally.
I am in the camp that the Dwemer zero-summed themselves out of existence.
Vivic didnt delete himselfwhen he reached Chim , maybe its a choice to delete oneself after reaching Chim
"I must be a Tolkien Minecraft merch"
Thanks automatic subtitles
The multiplayer server i am on repurposed the pool of forgetfulness to reset your skills at 100 to 15 so that you can continue leveling without having to go to jail over and over again.
I honestly think that may've been the original intention of the shrine, and it may've just been forgotten along the process of development.
It's not that Vivec won't move the Baar Dau, it's that he _can't._ Even if he achieved CHIM, or even if he were a god, he's _not the only one._
Vivec absolutely could move Baar Dau or have it destroyed in the air, they have succesfully hollowed it out so it can be damaged and stone taken away from it.
@@moskaumaster1594 and azura could have predicted the missing flower, right?
@@ClockworkGearhead
Thats an entirely unrelated story of an entirely different deity, we know for a fact Baar Dau can have material removed from it which means we know from a fact he can destroy it
@@moskaumaster1594 No, Vivic can't, because other deities have designs on it. Like, the point of the example is to prove that the gods have weird limitations that are unexpected. Same goes for Vivec. Logic isn't a factor, the demonstration is.
Besides, you're taking the fact he's omnipotent from his very own mouth. Consider the source.
@@ClockworkGearhead I’m not calling Vivec omnipotent I am pointing at the very obvious in universe thing of they hollowed out Baar Dau and put a prison inside of it, if they can hollow it out that means the Dunmer can damage it and if the Dunmer can damage it then they could mine the entire thing if they wanted to. It’s not because sheogorath is actively contending with Vivec constantly over the damn thing (especially not since Tiber Septim lit the dragon fires)
Nice iceberg, this makes me want to finally finish morrowind.
Fantastic video on one of the GOAT games! Really appreciate your hard work! Keep the quality content coming!
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What is the purpose of goblin army in the underground of Mournhold?
It's so funny. The inflection in your voice gets higher and higher with each video you do. It's like story time where all the kids gather around and the teacher reads them a story. That's what it reminds me of. No hate I just thought it was funny coming from your Dark Souls video which has a more serious tone. Great video as always.
Thanks for making such a great video on a specific nichè I love.
I remember finding a mudcrab merchant in the wyrmstooth mod for skyrim, I think it's the same one as here? He was pretty cool nonetheless!
I love how realistically the stories of the elder scrolls are told to us. We never hear the truth only half truths & have to make of it as we see fit as is with real history. Thinking of the Neravar & his fate is similar to what happened to many great warriors & how their people turned against them but how this happened is a mystery. Its far better than having accurate non-conflicting accounts as well the lore is not clear cut & nobody can know the whole truth.
This was so well made.
I love that you made Yagrum Bagarn sound normal lol
I loved Morrowind, because this game most hardest to slowest level up! Azura Bless you
Except you do alchemy. Such an cheap exploit in the game that levels up fast and makes you rich at the same time.
Love the content mate.
I just looked when the war of the first council happened and when old mournhold was destroyed by merunes dagon.
The war with thw dwemer took place first, but if those ashpiles were actually dwemer, then they had an entire army and city below mournhold despite being at war with them.
10 seconds in, if homie can't pronounce nerevarine correctly I don't think this video is going to go well
I absolutely love this has become a convention of our community.
Boots of blinding speed, twined with levitation, classic.
How the f can you use that body mod when jiub looks like that
They can use it because of how they mispronounced Nerevarine
YAAAAASSSSS!!!!!!!! BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE THIS!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Creations are official releases, but it’s also understandable that a site like UESP or the Imperial Library would take CC with a grain of salt.”
This doesn’t mean creation club content is canon. It means they sold it for money. In fact, this line suggests we *shouldn’t* take CC content as canon, given that UESP/IL are our sources of fact.
my longstanding interpretation of the dwemer ashes in bamz-amschend under mournhold has been that those dwemer were all somehow killed prior to the the dwemer disappearance. we have dwemer bones so this could lend more credence to the dwemer zero-sum family of theories, as dwemer remains... remaining suggests cognition or souls or something were a requirement to be disappeared. i'm stopping myself from further speculating about intact dwemer corpses vs. non-intact dwemer corpses because it's two hours past my usual bedtime.
my purely speculative hunch is that some group or individual aligned with the chimer (or at least, opposed to the dwemer) wiped out the dwemer city during the war of the first council. the battle at red mountain was the last battle of that war but there definitely had to have been some pretty horrific violence prior to that final event. it's plausible to me that the dwemer got incinerated, then the chimer seized the existing settlement. later they chimerify (and then, post-azura, dwemerify) the surface, eventually leading to the city of mournhold.
or it could just be a bethesda decision like "hey we can do some more environmental storytelling if we have dwemer ash piles" but i feel like the more serious writer nerds would have pitched a howling fit over such a massive change to depicting post-disappearance dwemer stuff.
if i'm wrong someone please yell at me. i would love to have information that contradicts my assumptions about this stuff. i like tes lore but i'm far from an expert on it. i just like collecting and reading books in morrowind.
The mud crab merchant was good but his location was to far away from anywhere to be worth a visit.
Welcome moon and star.
Vivec: I am a God
Sheogorath: Bet
Then one day, the Daedric prince who cursed Dwemer to turn into mudcrabs gets bored and snaps their ethereal fingers. All over Tamriel thousands of mudcrabs are reverted into Dwemer at the bottom of bodies of water. Dead dwarves and confused living ones alike are found. They have time enough to ask a few questions from confused peasants engaged in fishing or farming, before all dwarves are returned into mudcrabs. The Daedric prince got bored once more, and felt like nah, that wasn't it.
31:30 i mean there's such a thing as a temperate rainforests which is what the UK and most of northern europe would have been like in the medieval ages
This was awesome ❤
Dwemer achieving zero sum and leaving behind ruins is still possible. My head canon looks at it like this - TES2 causes a dragon break because of the number of endings the game can have. All happen and all didn't happen. There are people who remember each event occurring because of the dragon break. Now apply this to the Dwemer.
The dwemer can alter the dream's reality using their technology and tonal architecture. An entire race can modify reality using their technology. Now have that race go to war against magical reality benders like the Tribunal. Reality would have been so warped by both sides that a dragon break occurred(especially if the dwemer were pushed to try something drastic), wiping the dwemer from existence but leaving behind their tonal architecture and other technology.
Also I vaguely recall the dwemer having a psychic network where they could communicate across vast distances. If just one of them discovers the reality of the dream then that knowledge would spread across the communication network. Every dwemer who was still on mundus would then zero sum. I could be misremembering the psychic communication network though.
I'm so glad I found your channel recently! You have a great voice you should consider some voice work! Even your approximation of a female voice is good and slightly amusing 😅 great work keep it up ❤❤❤❤
I think he slipped on a banana peel and died of his wounds. But WHO places the banana peel... that's a story for another day.
Think it'll rain
one more tidbit to consider for the mudcrab merchant is that the only other canon non-race merchant is Creeper the Scamp, who has been revealed to actually be Barbas the side kick of Cavicus Vile, so is the mudcrab merchant really another Daedra in disguise?
I just Wana see the Brass god in game even if it's not working.
It's a big ass Gundam
You do a great old lady voice.
Maybe the real me is an old lady and I just put on a different voice for all my videos? 🤔
Never before have I used this word before, but I have to let it loose when my favorite game is on the line ... the voice acting at the 7:00 mark is disturbingly cringe.
Sheogorath? Malakath? No no no, I thought it was Mehrunes Dagon who threw the stone, Vivec taunted him to throw it at him?
It kinda is a Mehrunes Dagon thing to do. The boulder ended the temples reign over Morrowind by destroying Vivec and large parts of the Vvardenfell afterall.
I always thought it was pronounced 'Nev-Ver-een.'
Ner - ev - er -reen
is how Todd says it.
The voice acting makes me think of the voice acting in dark souls
We need more elder scrolls games like Morrowind
I would go to the imperial library if my anti malware didn't block the site
If they could hollow out the baar dau why didn't they just completely mined out of the sky
Vivec absolutely wanted to keep it there as a means of reinforcing the people's faith in him. A number of things could have been done to fix it, but Vivec was either unwilling at first, or later, incapable of removing it.
@@ashwhiteforest9078 "Can´t we remove this boulder somehow?"
Vivec: " Broooo, trust me, this boulder will never fell"
*The world 200 years late*
"You suck, Vivec..."
You sound like the colourshed review guy
you have a surprisingly similar voice to Mauthe Doog. unbelievably so
Tower 7 wasn't hit by Baar Dau...
People love Skyrim so much but to me it just felt so disrespectfully dumbed down compared to Morrowind and on top of that, by the time I got to it (a couple years ago) the graphics felt horrible. I know Morrowind graphics are horrendous but at least it has an insanely deep story every single direction you take and so much content for you to explore.
I'm sorry the who was brought to Vvardenfell as a prisoner? The nehavareen?
Is worshiping azura count as simping?
Hey at least it aint Dibella amiright?
The reason why there are no Dwemer ghosts in Skyrim is because Bethesda forgot its own lore, was a sign of them dumbening things down and this resulted in a slip, as Dwemer weren't meant to be so far away from Morrowind.
Now, imagine if Dwemer Ruins, and Markhart, were instead Falmer ruins, and all robots were left out, all the dwemer-y stuff not existing.
Now THAT would've been a better choice
Bethesda: "Creation Club content are official releases"
You: "we should take all of them with a grain of salt"
Bruh cc dlc is official, wtf are you on?
Is it me or do some of these voice narrations sound like Kael Thas Sunstrider?
The people who claim to understand Elder Scrolls lore are often just Michael Kirkbride followers or they approach lore as having a strict, singular interpretation, which isn't true.
I refuse to believe that's how you pronounce "Pelagiad"
Narrah-vair-ene?
Morrowind needs remake.
YOSH!
Better then elder ring
Got any sujamma
All the weird pronunciations bug me when trying to watch this. Nera-Veer-in? "Of the underworld hayds? And how did you get "Ahbolam" from Omalen Ancestral Tomb? Have you actually played the game? Or am I super ignorant and this is just how your local dialect is? I just have a hard time believing someone who played through Morrowind and heard Nerevarine pronounced over and over again would say it in some way like a reporter who never played the game would read it off a teleprompter.
Have you ever considered that perhaps the person who wrote it isnt the same person who read it? I swear people get dumber everyday.
@@Sidiciousifyso he didn't play the game. Got it lol
easy explanation for dwemer ghosts not being in skyrim, is the same for horkers being different, and those ice creatures that guarded castle kaarsthag not being in solestheim, they were too lazy, or just didn't want to add them
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Sitting here trying to figure out if this is an AI voice because of all the f'ed up pronunciation or not 😂😂
You gotta get another intonation besides upward my guy
why talking mudcrab merchant is bri’ish
прошу, кто нибудь сделайте на русском
i feel a little more care could've been taken with this video. many small errors (pronounciation, misleading on-screen footage) built up and lowered the quality of an otherwise good video.
This isn’t really an iceberg video…..It’s interesting, I’ll give you that; but it definitely isn’t an iceberg video and shouldn’t be called one. Also, you’re really hard to understand sometimes, and it’s not the accent.
The last good elder scrolls game
Only brave statements here lmao
@@mrcroob8563 the truth should never be brave smh