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PROJECT PLUTO": a supersonic low altitude nuclear powered ram jet bomber drone which flew at 300m at mach 3.2 in air 9 times thicker than the sr71. It had a thorium radioactive skin to protect against the insane heating, reaching 1000c vs the 71's 400c, and carried nuclear bombs. Once emptied it would orbit a country for months broadcasting a jamming signal as its radioactive engine exhaust would doomsday chernobyl bridge of death a country then when the fuel was low nearly a year later it would kamekazi dirtybomb the capitol.
And a weird Russian guy who can control lightning. (I'm disappointed by the lack of MGS3 references. Does nobody remember that game, or is it too obvious?)
My grandpa worked with Atomic Demolition Munitions. He was trained in how to blow up the Hoover dam so that if the Soviet’s invaded and tried to take control of the dam they could knock the power out. He’s currently 91 and still doing well!
My favorite quote from this era when asked how small they could make a nuke. The scientists replied “ We could Make a Nuclear hand Grenade, We just haven’t found anyone dumb enough to throw it yet “
... which doesn't really check out, because you need a certain amount of fissile mass to hit criticality, and you're not going to get that at throwable size/weight. The W54 warhead used in the Davy Crockett and the SADM is pretty close to the minimum size for a nuke.
@@andyf4292 Californium is insanely, and I mean, INSANELY expensive and hard to make and it is also crazy radioactive. So we could not, in fact, make a californium bomb and if we could you would probably just die being near to it.
@@calvinquallss4905if you attached it to a launching system it might TECHNICALLY apply cause there isn’t anything said about just straight bombs But either way expect your doors to be kicked in at 4am by Seal Team Six the minute the NSA finds out what you’re doing
We all know why the US nuclear train went no where. It would necessitate actually *investing* in the US rail network. & at that point, haven't the Soviets already won?
Plus, as we all know, there’s a suicidal/stoned/fun-loving redneck sitting in his Ram 2500 on at least one level crossing somewhere in the US at any given moment.
My favorite nuclear weapon has to be RPK-6/SS-N-16 Stallion missile. It's launched by a submarine from a torpedo-tube, comes to the surface, fires it's rocket engine, flies around 100 km and then releases a nuclear depth-charge. Like the very idea is crazy and it has actually been put into service.
Even crazier is that US had a very similar counterpart, UUM-44 SUBROC, also armed with a nuclear depth charge, although with smaller range, about 50km AFAIK. And UUM-125 was in deep.development as a direct successor, more than doubling both range and yield, although was cancelled after 1990 disarmament treaty.
The scary bit was that Davey Crocket had no launch authorization requirement beyond 'ask the President first'. You could take an axe to the armory lock and be in business, which was a little concerning with all the West Germans walking around still learning the new salute.
I recall stories from British Army veterans who had been stationed in Germany. This may be apocryphal and some details may have been misremembered. For a certain time, the British Army was to provide security for Davey Crockett teams in the UK zone of Western Germany. Apparently the Americans objected to the British soldiers tossing the nuclear weapons in the back of land rovers to drive them around. To which the British pointed out: 1) Who in their right mind is going to think a bunch of land rovers are carrying nukes. 2) The warheads are claimed to be resistant to rough handling, so giving them an occasional kicking would be fine. 3) If they do go off, well, no one in the security detail or launcher team is going to be around to complain. Apparently the Americans did complain about it enough that the soldiers were told not to do it again in front of them.
And not only did it fly around low-level, irradiating everyone unfortunate enough to live underneath it, the thing would lob out up to 16 10-Megaton thermonuclear warheads on the way
@@dasrit3Being irradiated by it flying overhead wasn't a problem. Because it was planned to fly at mach 5. At treetop hight. The shockwave would kill you before the radiation ever could.
arguably the craziest one, I was hoping it'd make an appearance. You know it's insane when it doesn't even leave the concept stage, unlike all the other systems/munitions in this video
As the people in the comments have mentioned, there's loads of other examples of Atomic Age insanity when it comes to this topic, so I hope you make a follow-up to this, especially regarding the AIR-2 Genie, the only air-to-air nuclear rocket, which was designed to intercept enemy strategic nuclear bombers in the same way that one might go fishing with a stick of dynamite. It had no guidance system, and was strapped to an interceptor (initially the F-89 Scorpion). The singular mission if its two-man crew was to fly within 6 miles of a strategic bomber group, "take aim" in the loosest sense possible, and pull the trigger before instantly executing a 180° turn in the most expedient fashion possible and hitting the afterburners the whole way home (assuming it was still there). Both America and Canada had strategic interceptor squadrons carrying this weapon for the vast majority of the Cold War, from 1958 to 1985. It's easy to forget that, sometimes, people actually do James Bond villain shit.
I think there was a second one that was experimental (so not actually in service) with some primitive guidance (and this lesser payload because you don't need to make up for lack of targeting with a bigger blast radius)
I got my picture taken with an unfired AIR 2 inert training missile. How rare are they, I reckon pretty rare, probably the coolest photo of me that will ever exist.
@@subjekt5577 Are you thinking of the AIM-26 Falcon? It was a larger, nuclear tipped version of the AIM-4, carried by F-102 interceptors, in service from 1961 to 1972.
There is awesome footage of a group of Air Force officers standing at a test range while a Genie warhead is detonated directly over them (at many thousands of feet, but still...)
A little story about the nuclear mines: in germany, especially along the old german-german border, a lot of bridges and sometimes streets too had "mine shafts". In case the war got hot, west-german soldiers would go to american deposits, get handed a backpack with a literal nuke in it and were then tasked to deploy those in the prepared holes, so they could be blown up. They were told they would get enough time until detonation to get the heck out of there but in reality, everybody asigned to that task was pretty aware that there was no way to get out of the blast radius fast enough, especially on foot. Civilian casualties were also not a factor, since when it came down to this, nobody real expected Germany to be in any live allowing shape or form for the next few hundred years anyway.
There existed project sundail at some point. It was probably fusion to be fair. However the idea was as follows: If mutually assured destruction happens, why deliver the bomb, when you can just make a bomb so big that if you set it off on your own territory, it destroys everything anyway. Enjoy the endtimes.
Edward Teller had this one labelled "BACKYARD" on his whiteboard, allegedly. His scheme was a 3-stage fission-fusion-fusion bomb that used a standard thermonuclear bomb to drive a third, truly gigantic, fusion stage.
There was also nuclear physicist Leo Szilard's concept of a doomsday bomb for powers that had mastered thermonuclear bombs but not the ability to miniaturize them enough to deliver by plane or rocket: build an enormous cobalt hydrogen bomb into a cargo ship and explode it off the coastline nearest your enemy with the most cooperative prevailing winds. In two or three days you've blanketed half a continent with enough fallout to kill anyone not in a deep underground shelter for a couple of years.
When I was a kid (Get off my lawn!) I remember seeing a plan that would make Elon Musk blush. The idea wasn't just to put nukes on trains, but then put those trains underground in a system of tunnels and launch points (can we call them train stations?) that would stretch for hundreds of miles. Basically, we'd dig up, say, Montana like Swiss cheese, put our model train set from Hell in there, run them around 24 hours a day so no enemy would know where they were exactly and then not launch them because that'd make us all safe from the dumb scaredy cat Commies who would tremble at the thought of death by tunnel trains. Anyway, apparently, this plan would be eye-wateringly expensive, prone to breaking down, difficult and dangerous to maintain, not particularly safe to operate (think of the number of train derailments in recent years...) take decades if not centuries to actually build, and would only marginally improve the strategic problems with silos since tunnels aren't really more mobile than silos. So making the American Moria with our very own Balrogs wasn't to be. Those pencil necks in Washington went with submarines, silos, and bombers that are parked most of the time, when we could have had the Atomic Subterranean Train Set of Armageddon rumbling beneath our houses 24/7. Yoo Ess Ay! Yoo Ess Ay!
If the soviets discover the plan, couldnt they just blow up the railway itself, derailing the train and disabling the nukes? I'm sure the blast would cause a cave in.
Supposedly this is what China actually did. They have road mobile launchers underground with a bunch of access points so they can't be taken out in a first strike. The US just uses subs though
@@subjekt5577 The US also experimented with a similar system (moving missiles between silos), but choose fixed ones for reliability reasons, costs and international relations (improving relations with the USSR and the end of the Cold War). Also supposedly North Korea uses rail transport systems, because they have an extensive rail network that crosses many mountains, so they can move their missiles without giving indications where they are.
The Davy Crockett practice rounds which contained DU, we're fired at Schofield Barracks, and the spotting charge fractured the shell, and spread chunks.
Why everyone keeps forgeting that France also had a triad and gave up land missiles which are way less important than the other 2 ? Pakistan too to some extent
Thanks for noticing this indeed ! The « plateau d’Albion » missiles are really interesting pieces of technology indeed, and were the basis of the french ( and thus European ) space program.
That's because France is no longer a nuclear triad, whereas Pakistan never has been one. Those are usually called partial nuclear triads (they have only one or two of the three "legs" of the triad). As mentioned, France used to be able to launch ICBMs from land and sea, and fly nuclear-armed fighters that could easily be refuelled mid-air to perform long-range operations and theoretically strike anywhere, anytime, as the triad doctrine entails. Pakistan has ground-based MRBMs, not ICBMs, and submarine-launched nuclear-capable cruise missiles, again not ICBMs. It also has however a few air-launched nuclear-capable cruise missiles mounted on fighters which can be refuelled mid-air to extend their operational range, so it kinda has the air part of the triad. PS: I saw the AMX-30 Pluton at Saumur. It's amazing. I don't know how much of a leg up it would give to a "spyproof" and retaliation proof deterrence though. It's a tank. While it's certainly far more 'stealthy' than a train, and far less predictable, it still can in principle be tracked by a spy satellite network: the radiation emitted by nuclear warheads aren't exactly hyper stealthy.
“how can you have a 10min video include so many accurate information, bring a variety of examples about a topic and be casually funny at the same time?” Justin as he uploads another *all the above* video: “I dunno”
Missed Some of my favorites: W-23 - Nuclear Battleship Shell AIR-2 GENIE - Air to Air Nuclear Missile Project Pluto - Autonomous Mach 3 Nuclear Powered Bomber (one engine made, never built)
My favorite method is probably this Soviet satellite that was actually just a nuke, that would do a retrograde burn and deorbit coming from the South Pole to avoid the early detection systems in the us and Canada. Apparently it was actually deployed (albeit with a conventional warhead instead of a nuke) for a few years before it was banned in the SALT 2 treaty.
I used to work with a guy who was assigned to an engineer unit that did the nuclear mines in the DMZ, back when we could still do cool things like this.
No mention of the pluto? For shame sir. The pluto was an open cycle nuclear cruise missiles that would circumnavigate the planet, then fly over its targets and drop a nuclear bomb out the back hitting up to 8 seprate targets
Be it nuclear rockets, cruise missiles, or jet engines, I love it when nuclear engineers say “soooo maintaining our inventory is overrated, our cooling scheme is less of a _cycle_ per-say and more like a *line”*
Yeah, at least two legs of that triad are _very_ wobbly. India has four constructed missile subs, only two of which are active, and a fifth under construction. Not much of a deterrent. Their bomber fleet is completely ineffectual at best and nonexistent at worst. If your bombers aren't stealth, they're just flaming wreckage waiting to happen. India has no stealth aircraft and not even any strategic bombers, just attack planes that can _technically_ carry a nuke.
@@Bacteriophagebs mate you r thinking from U.S. Perspective that has challenge to project power everywhere where our enemies are at our borders ( Pak and china) our navy subs dwarws Pak where China would need to cross ocean to get to Us , as for air like i said our bombers don't even need to cross border to bomb our air launch missile are enough to reach Pak and most tibet region
@@Bacteriophagebs Yea, but it's kinda like not being scared of crackhead pointing a gun at you bc it's a hipoint. Yea it might jam, but I don't wana take that risk for the 30 bucks I got in my pocket. 😂
India completed their triad in 2018. They have 2 nuclear subs (INS Arihant and Arighaat), Mirage 2000H and Jaguar IS/IB bombers that can deliver 48 nuclear bombs, and 3 types of ICBMs being the Agni-V, Agni-VI, and Surya
@@data_abort First of all, Nuclear Triad is a defence system as opposed to an attack asset, it unsures mutual destruction. India dont need to and will never use Nukes on Pak. 1. Pak was and can be easily defeated with conventional warfare, even with "Third Party Aid". 2.Even after over a century of terrible wars, the people of Pakistan are like long-lost relatives, with the majority tracing their ancestors back to India. So, no, we won't be nuking Pakistan for the near future.
Maybe they should clean up the disgusting amount of pollution and garbage that flows down every river in their country rather than spend money on nukes.
I'm Canadian, the closest thing we ever had to a nuclear triad was thinking of equipping Avro Arrow interceptors with unguided air-to-air nuclear rockets. Not missiles, rockets. Unguided rockets. The idea was that if a Soviet bomber fleet was coming across the arctic, instead of sending an equivalent fleet of intercepting fighters to shoot them down, you could sent a much smaller number of Avro Arrows at them going Mach 2 to chuck 1.5 kilotonne Genies at them and decimate those fleets with *unguided* airborne sun simulators. Now, there are a lot of genuine criticism of the Arrow program. While it was very advanced for it's time, it would have become an excessively cumbersome money pit for the Canadian government, and we'd probably still end up adopting one of the Hornet, Tomcat, Mirage, Gripen or Typhoon anyways. There is an interesting point of if the Arrow got adopted and fielded would Avro Canada still be a major force in western military aerospace engineering, but the cons definitely outweighed the pros and overall the Avro Arrow debate is still far too heated to look at objectively. Even then, the Genie A2A nukes weren't even Canadian to begin with, they were under American control, just fielded and operated by the Royal Canadian Air Force, but despite all that that's the closest this country has ever come to a nuclear arsenal.
I love the Genie rockets. I agree, that's something most people miss when talking about the Arrow. The plane itself wasn't the most advanced, and was overbudget (what defense project isn't?). But with it we might have had a chance to try again and make something even cooler that Canadians could be proud of these days.
The point of hiding under your desk wasn't to protect you from the explosion, it was to protect you if you *survived that*. I only point this out because the thought is extremely funny to me: Someone survives the nuclear apocalypse, only to die moments later when the ceiling falls on them. It's straight outta loony toons.
Back in the day some dude said "You know we don't need to deliver it if it's just insanely powerful." And the government went "great point hawe some funding." thus operation sundial was born.
The dude in question being the nuclear "enthusiast" and co-inventer of the H-bomb - Edward Teller. A few decades later he was trying to sell the Reagan administration on the idea of nuclear bomb-powered orbital x-ray lasers (Project Excalibur) as part of the Strategic Defence Initiative. The concept was tried out in a few underground nuclear tests but it fell far short of delivering on its promise and was abandoned.
Before watching, I hope he mentions rhat guy who proposed building a bomb so big it never leaves the factory and when blown up just destroys the entire planet
About the "Davy Crockett (nuclear device)", off wikipedia: "100% instant casualty radius in excess of 520 feet (160 m). The shell's greatest effect would have been its extreme prompt neutron radiation which would have killed most of the enemy troops inside that circle within minutes. Its blast would do very little if any damage to the enemy's tracked vehicles." So no, not "instantly vaporized" in that radius. I was skeptical because the fireball from Little Boy (Hiroshima) was apparently 600 feet in radius, and that weapon had almost 1,000 times the energy released.
I've been Obsessed with Nuclear Weapons (and just Nuclear Power in general) for a couple years now, Something that I find neat is the Hard Mobile Launcher (HML) which Launched a MGM-134 Midgetman ICBMs (god bless that name), Only a few were Delivered and from All records I found only the Boeing-Loral prototype still exists behind the Museum at Hill AFB, The Caterpillar Prototype was Scrapped in 2012 and an actual Production Variant that was at Wright Patterson was scrapped in 2015. Also Project A119, Probably one of the most insane Ideas involving a nuclear payload and the god damn moon, I have a feeling some guy just said 'Why not?' at the Proposal Meeting. Screw whatever people smoke nowadays, I want the Stuff they were Smokin' during the Nuclear Craze
They were probably smoking the cocaine-laced dollar bills poored on them by the understandably terrified and extensively indoctrinated American populous of the time. 😏 Or maybe just car battery acid, who knows? 😅
Here in France we made a special version of the mbt amx30, the amx30-pluton (pluto) in essence, strap a 200km range ground to ground missile with a little warhead on the turret of the tank
More like 120km max range. It was an SRBM afterall. Still impressive and "fun" in a way. But yeah, it's a tactical nuke launcher, not exactly the kind of system usually thought of for the land part of the nuclear triad, since the idea is to be able to strike anywhere, anytime.
No kidding. So the finale of Doctor Strangelove - where Slim Pickens rides the atom bomb like a mechanical bull, was making fun of the Davey Crockett delivery “system”? That’s great.
Saw a theory once that the Davy Crocket was an excuse to make a tiny warhead that could be taken to strategic areas in Europe then detonated to stop the Soviets from being able to use them or advance through.
I think the biggest thing people haven't talked about but is probably the biggest threat: extremely large nukes on ships. The tsar bomb was only about 60'000 pounds. A small cargo ship can carry 60'000 _tons._ We saw what happened at Halifax. That would be a firecracker compared to the absolute monster nuke someone could fit on a ship and still have plenty of room for shielding to keep it from being detected by scanning systems.
Honorable mention to American & Soviet SAM systems of the early '60's that protected the homeland by having nuke tips for prox-det destruction of incoming bombers! (Nike-Hercules, SA-5 Gammon, etc) You can still visit some of the various old semi-underground launch bunkers for Nike-Hercules in some places around the country.
Nuclear torpedoes : yes they were a thing and almost were used and by that i mean fired during the cuban missile crisis if it wasn't for a senior officer whose key was required to fire it getting into a fistfight with a sub commander who ordered their use. This senior officers funny enough would later stop yet another near nuclear disaster basically making him the man who saved the world from nukes twice. Nuclear sea mines these are still in US and soviet ports as far as we know. Both sides extensively mined each others ports. Nuclear arty , davy crockett is baby stuff. Nearly every nuclear power developed some method of delivering it via long range dedicated arty platform or modified shells for some of their standard self propelled guns in the case of soviets
When you consider how much explosive is in a Davy Crockett, and how much you'd be replacing it with to make a good simulator, that is a round that would hit like an artillery round, or at least a beefy mortar round.
Nah, it's called a triad because it refers to land capability, sea capability, and air capability. The only way to go further would be to put nuclear weapon platforms in orbit, and that was specifically banned under the treaties both superpowers signed, ratified, and enforced.
So my dad worked with the sadms on green light teams and these were being used in prep and training into the 1980s with training also involving repelling from black hawks. Post gernada, the pentagon and army phased out the munitions for reasons stated but also because laser guided bombs and targeting munitions were more accurate and had less collateral damage.
Well the reason it's "only" the nuclear triad and not the nuclear pentad or hextad is because nuclear landmines are just nuclear bombs minus the bomber, train based ICBMs are just silo ICBMs plus a train and nuclear torpedoes are just SLBMs minus the missile. Simple works, you don't need to overcomplicate nuclear armageddon.
It's air sea and land unless you get like a space based or subterranean drilling nuke there's really not much more to cover Or just sundial which kind of encompasses everything
"Buk-gawk!" [earth-shattering kaboom] The nuclear chicken mine was one of the stranger ways the Brits tried to use nukes. The other was the plan to nuke giant storage areas into the ground in Yorkshire. I mean, British Gas were just animals like that. "Storage tanks? Gasometers? Aye, aye. We could. Or, hear me out..."
You left out Nuclear ASROC. RUR-5 Nuclear depth charge. Deployed into the 1990s. Made almost all ship nuclear capable. This is actually the main reason that New Zealand, a nuclear free zone does not allow US warships to visit. "I can neither deny nor confirm the presence of nuclear weapons on board this ship."
He didn't censor it, the government that produced it did. Yes they basically have to censor it, the same way submarine propulsion is and for the same reasons.
It was in OG footage. Every new sub or submersible's propulsion system is classified because it's sound signature cand be found if propellers shapes are known
I'm pretty sure France or Britain also had a tiny nuclear *mortar*, but I haven't been able to find any info on this… Also kinda surprised you didn't even mention Project Pluto. It was never built, but the concept was essentially a nuclear-powered ramjet that could loiter for an extended duration and would irradiate everything around it while also being a MIRV-y nuke launch platform, able to follow a pre-programmed route of waypoints and deploy nukes along the way. Big ups for bringing up Perimetr tho, it's insane how often that one is overlooked - especially given the fact that it still exists. IMO the most likely cause for nuclear war, when some 50 year old sensors fail while it's active. Edit: Oh also, the entire concept of "salted" nukes and neutron bombs as """clean""" alternative.
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PROJECT PLUTO": a supersonic low altitude nuclear powered ram jet bomber drone which flew at 300m at mach 3.2 in air 9 times thicker than the sr71. It had a thorium radioactive skin to protect against the insane heating, reaching 1000c vs the 71's 400c, and carried nuclear bombs. Once emptied it would orbit a country for months broadcasting a jamming signal as its radioactive engine exhaust would doomsday chernobyl bridge of death a country then when the fuel was low nearly a year later it would kamekazi dirtybomb the capitol.
The Davy Crockett was cancelled once the Pentagon realised they were putting nukes in the hands of Lieutenants.
And with that, humanity was doomed to never witness a nuclear drive-by.
@@RogerCaplan that is a shame I think you will agree!
And a weird Russian guy who can control lightning. (I'm disappointed by the lack of MGS3 references. Does nobody remember that game, or is it too obvious?)
It would have been easier to find the LT when he glows in the dark, though
@@epikmanthe3rd Remember the Alamo
My grandpa worked with Atomic Demolition Munitions. He was trained in how to blow up the Hoover dam so that if the Soviet’s invaded and tried to take control of the dam they could knock the power out. He’s currently 91 and still doing well!
hear me out, i have an idea for a sweet prank..
that is absolutely wild
Tell him he’s “the bomb” for me.
That would certainly ruin Kruschev’s Vegas Vacation.
Pretty terrifying that this was even considered by the military as feasible for the Soviets to pull off
My favorite quote from this era when asked how small they could make a nuke. The scientists replied “ We could Make a Nuclear hand Grenade, We just haven’t found anyone dumb enough to throw it yet “
... which doesn't really check out, because you need a certain amount of fissile mass to hit criticality, and you're not going to get that at throwable size/weight.
The W54 warhead used in the Davy Crockett and the SADM is pretty close to the minimum size for a nuke.
@@Shockz0rz It's clearly a joke
@@amhuman5138 sure, but never underestimate people's ability to see an 'obvious' joke and repeat it as if it was ironclad fact
californium bomb... could be made as small as a .45acp bullet, with a yield of about 4 tons of TNT.
@@andyf4292 Californium is insanely, and I mean, INSANELY expensive and hard to make and it is also crazy radioactive.
So we could not, in fact, make a californium bomb and if we could you would probably just die being near to it.
Commercial nukes would've been so cool. Imagine recreational nuking or being a nukaholic.
The 2nd amendment includes nukes.
Ancapistan vibes
"Nukaholic" I see you got ahold of that nuka-dark! It's 35% abv will do that to ya.
@@calvinquallss4905if you attached it to a launching system it might TECHNICALLY apply cause there isn’t anything said about just straight bombs
But either way expect your doors to be kicked in at 4am by Seal Team Six the minute the NSA finds out what you’re doing
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We all know why the US nuclear train went no where.
It would necessitate actually *investing* in the US rail network. & at that point, haven't the Soviets already won?
Plus, as we all know, there’s a suicidal/stoned/fun-loving redneck sitting in his Ram 2500 on at least one level crossing somewhere in the US at any given moment.
Imagine if they then decided to just make use of semi trailers and make the ICBM fit into those. Maybe that is what they did in secret?
@stratometal as mentioned in the vid, you're really not fitting a launcher on to a road vehicle though
@@Horizontalvertigo Of course not, but imagine if they could!
@@stratometal They can. Quite a few countries have road mobile ICBMs.
My favorite nuclear weapon has to be RPK-6/SS-N-16 Stallion missile. It's launched by a submarine from a torpedo-tube, comes to the surface, fires it's rocket engine, flies around 100 km and then releases a nuclear depth-charge. Like the very idea is crazy and it has actually been put into service.
Even crazier is that US had a very similar counterpart, UUM-44 SUBROC, also armed with a nuclear depth charge, although with smaller range, about 50km AFAIK. And UUM-125 was in deep.development as a direct successor, more than doubling both range and yield, although was cancelled after 1990 disarmament treaty.
“Enemy submarine due northwest.”
“Roger, removing that direction.”
It’s beautiful
Idk I'm still a massive fan of the unguided air-to-air defensive nuclear rocket, the AIR-2 Genie
The scary bit was that Davey Crocket had no launch authorization requirement beyond 'ask the President first'. You could take an axe to the armory lock and be in business, which was a little concerning with all the West Germans walking around still learning the new salute.
I recall stories from British Army veterans who had been stationed in Germany. This may be apocryphal and some details may have been misremembered.
For a certain time, the British Army was to provide security for Davey Crockett teams in the UK zone of Western Germany.
Apparently the Americans objected to the British soldiers tossing the nuclear weapons in the back of land rovers to drive them around.
To which the British pointed out:
1) Who in their right mind is going to think a bunch of land rovers are carrying nukes.
2) The warheads are claimed to be resistant to rough handling, so giving them an occasional kicking would be fine.
3) If they do go off, well, no one in the security detail or launcher team is going to be around to complain.
Apparently the Americans did complain about it enough that the soldiers were told not to do it again in front of them.
4:13 the soviets had concepts of a plan
Lol GMTA
Yeah, I see what he did there.
The plan is two weeks away, after Infrastructure Weeks 1 and 2 👍🏻
You forgot to mention SLAM (Supersonic Low Altitude Missile). It was a nuclear powered, nuclear armed, nuclear tipped cruise missile.
And not only did it fly around low-level, irradiating everyone unfortunate enough to live underneath it, the thing would lob out up to 16 10-Megaton thermonuclear warheads on the way
@@dasrit3Being irradiated by it flying overhead wasn't a problem. Because it was planned to fly at mach 5. At treetop hight. The shockwave would kill you before the radiation ever could.
arguably the craziest one, I was hoping it'd make an appearance. You know it's insane when it doesn't even leave the concept stage, unlike all the other systems/munitions in this video
so plane
@@AdamOwenBrowning They actually tested the nuclear ramjet engine in a static setup in the desert. So many ways in which this could have gone wrong...
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It's like a far more entertaining Task and Purpose and I'm all here for it.
@@ChiefCrewinMakes sense, given he writes for Task & Purpose 😂
It doesn’t even seem real this dude should have millions of subscribers
@@MaterialDentist when I found him I had thought he was already an established big channel. He makes terrific and consistent content
9:55 100m? Why bother with det cord at all? Just slap a big red button on the side of it and call it a day... none of you are coming home.
maybe just for the illusion of safety, might make the team feel a little better about it..
It's cool man, it's directional like a claymore 😅
As the people in the comments have mentioned, there's loads of other examples of Atomic Age insanity when it comes to this topic, so I hope you make a follow-up to this, especially regarding the AIR-2 Genie, the only air-to-air nuclear rocket, which was designed to intercept enemy strategic nuclear bombers in the same way that one might go fishing with a stick of dynamite.
It had no guidance system, and was strapped to an interceptor (initially the F-89 Scorpion). The singular mission if its two-man crew was to fly within 6 miles of a strategic bomber group, "take aim" in the loosest sense possible, and pull the trigger before instantly executing a 180° turn in the most expedient fashion possible and hitting the afterburners the whole way home (assuming it was still there).
Both America and Canada had strategic interceptor squadrons carrying this weapon for the vast majority of the Cold War, from 1958 to 1985.
It's easy to forget that, sometimes, people actually do James Bond villain shit.
I think there was a second one that was experimental (so not actually in service) with some primitive guidance (and this lesser payload because you don't need to make up for lack of targeting with a bigger blast radius)
I got my picture taken with an unfired AIR 2 inert training missile. How rare are they, I reckon pretty rare, probably the coolest photo of me that will ever exist.
it was designed to go after bomber formations, which everyone stopped using.
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Are you thinking of the AIM-26 Falcon? It was a larger, nuclear tipped version of the AIM-4, carried by F-102 interceptors, in service from 1961 to 1972.
There is awesome footage of a group of Air Force officers standing at a test range while a Genie warhead is detonated directly over them (at many thousands of feet, but still...)
The davy crockets been on a jeep, soon to be a hilux
Toyota war 2.0 atomic edition
Legalize it!
Davy Crockett MGL incoming
Ridiculous nuclear inventions are such an amazing rabbit hole. And nuclear doctrine in general.
A little story about the nuclear mines: in germany, especially along the old german-german border, a lot of bridges and sometimes streets too had "mine shafts". In case the war got hot, west-german soldiers would go to american deposits, get handed a backpack with a literal nuke in it and were then tasked to deploy those in the prepared holes, so they could be blown up. They were told they would get enough time until detonation to get the heck out of there but in reality, everybody asigned to that task was pretty aware that there was no way to get out of the blast radius fast enough, especially on foot.
Civilian casualties were also not a factor, since when it came down to this, nobody real expected Germany to be in any live allowing shape or form for the next few hundred years anyway.
There existed project sundail at some point. It was probably fusion to be fair. However the idea was as follows: If mutually assured destruction happens, why deliver the bomb, when you can just make a bomb so big that if you set it off on your own territory, it destroys everything anyway. Enjoy the endtimes.
Edward Teller had this one labelled "BACKYARD" on his whiteboard, allegedly.
His scheme was a 3-stage fission-fusion-fusion bomb that used a standard thermonuclear bomb to drive a third, truly gigantic, fusion stage.
How big we talking ~500 megatons? 1000?!?
@@undertow2142 don´t remember the tonnage but it would literally destroy human civilization. Yeah the Cold War was insane.
There was also nuclear physicist Leo Szilard's concept of a doomsday bomb for powers that had mastered thermonuclear bombs but not the ability to miniaturize them enough to deliver by plane or rocket: build an enormous cobalt hydrogen bomb into a cargo ship and explode it off the coastline nearest your enemy with the most cooperative prevailing winds. In two or three days you've blanketed half a continent with enough fallout to kill anyone not in a deep underground shelter for a couple of years.
@@undertow2142 I think it was theoretically in the gigaton range
"..the 'tsunami bomb', which sounds like a sushi roll you'd get in a landlocked state" 🤣
Superfracking! Now with radioactive shale oil!
The Fallout 4 option. Give a mini nuke to your super mutant friend and tell him to "Just run at them bro"
When I was a kid (Get off my lawn!) I remember seeing a plan that would make Elon Musk blush. The idea wasn't just to put nukes on trains, but then put those trains underground in a system of tunnels and launch points (can we call them train stations?) that would stretch for hundreds of miles. Basically, we'd dig up, say, Montana like Swiss cheese, put our model train set from Hell in there, run them around 24 hours a day so no enemy would know where they were exactly and then not launch them because that'd make us all safe from the dumb scaredy cat Commies who would tremble at the thought of death by tunnel trains.
Anyway, apparently, this plan would be eye-wateringly expensive, prone to breaking down, difficult and dangerous to maintain, not particularly safe to operate (think of the number of train derailments in recent years...) take decades if not centuries to actually build, and would only marginally improve the strategic problems with silos since tunnels aren't really more mobile than silos. So making the American Moria with our very own Balrogs wasn't to be. Those pencil necks in Washington went with submarines, silos, and bombers that are parked most of the time, when we could have had the Atomic Subterranean Train Set of Armageddon rumbling beneath our houses 24/7. Yoo Ess Ay! Yoo Ess Ay!
If the soviets discover the plan, couldnt they just blow up the railway itself, derailing the train and disabling the nukes? I'm sure the blast would cause a cave in.
Supposedly this is what China actually did. They have road mobile launchers underground with a bunch of access points so they can't be taken out in a first strike.
The US just uses subs though
@@subjekt5577 The US also experimented with a similar system (moving missiles between silos), but choose fixed ones for reliability reasons, costs and international relations (improving relations with the USSR and the end of the Cold War). Also supposedly North Korea uses rail transport systems, because they have an extensive rail network that crosses many mountains, so they can move their missiles without giving indications where they are.
Imagine after nuclear disarmament, Montana could have the biggest subway system in the world.
That 100m rope is just a top level troll
The Davy Crockett practice rounds which contained DU, we're fired at Schofield Barracks, and the spotting charge fractured the shell, and spread chunks.
Why everyone keeps forgeting that France also had a triad and gave up land missiles which are way less important than the other 2 ?
Pakistan too to some extent
Thanks for noticing this indeed ! The « plateau d’Albion » missiles are really interesting pieces of technology indeed, and were the basis of the french ( and thus European ) space program.
That's because France is no longer a nuclear triad, whereas Pakistan never has been one. Those are usually called partial nuclear triads (they have only one or two of the three "legs" of the triad). As mentioned, France used to be able to launch ICBMs from land and sea, and fly nuclear-armed fighters that could easily be refuelled mid-air to perform long-range operations and theoretically strike anywhere, anytime, as the triad doctrine entails.
Pakistan has ground-based MRBMs, not ICBMs, and submarine-launched nuclear-capable cruise missiles, again not ICBMs. It also has however a few air-launched nuclear-capable cruise missiles mounted on fighters which can be refuelled mid-air to extend their operational range, so it kinda has the air part of the triad.
PS: I saw the AMX-30 Pluton at Saumur. It's amazing. I don't know how much of a leg up it would give to a "spyproof" and retaliation proof deterrence though. It's a tank. While it's certainly far more 'stealthy' than a train, and far less predictable, it still can in principle be tracked by a spy satellite network: the radiation emitted by nuclear warheads aren't exactly hyper stealthy.
The soviet’s having a command missle that rallies other missles sounds very on brand.
You forgot the plans to give the Iowa class battleships nuclear warheads in their 16 inch shells
“how can you have a 10min video include so many accurate information, bring a variety of examples about a topic and be casually funny at the same time?”
Justin as he uploads another *all the above* video: “I dunno”
I genuinely have no idea what I’m doing
Missed Some of my favorites:
W-23 - Nuclear Battleship Shell
AIR-2 GENIE - Air to Air Nuclear Missile
Project Pluto - Autonomous Mach 3 Nuclear Powered Bomber (one engine made, never built)
You forgot project sundial, the backyard nuke. A multi stage gigaton yield hydrogen bomb with a blast radius of YES.
My favorite method is probably this Soviet satellite that was actually just a nuke, that would do a retrograde burn and deorbit coming from the South Pole to avoid the early detection systems in the us and Canada. Apparently it was actually deployed (albeit with a conventional warhead instead of a nuke) for a few years before it was banned in the SALT 2 treaty.
4:14 missed opportunity to say "concepts of a plan"
That would've been hilarious lmfao
I used to work with a guy who was assigned to an engineer unit that did the nuclear mines in the DMZ, back when we could still do cool things like this.
“Ghetto rigged mass driver” wait, you might be onto something there…
9:00 I'd love to know what happens if you turn it above 27 hours. Does it just jam up the mechanical bits on the timer?
No mention of the pluto? For shame sir.
The pluto was an open cycle nuclear cruise missiles that would circumnavigate the planet, then fly over its targets and drop a nuclear bomb out the back hitting up to 8 seprate targets
Be it nuclear rockets, cruise missiles, or jet engines, I love it when nuclear engineers say “soooo maintaining our inventory is overrated, our cooling scheme is less of a _cycle_ per-say and more like a *line”*
Nobody expects THE INDIAN INQUISITION
Yeah, at least two legs of that triad are _very_ wobbly. India has four constructed missile subs, only two of which are active, and a fifth under construction. Not much of a deterrent. Their bomber fleet is completely ineffectual at best and nonexistent at worst. If your bombers aren't stealth, they're just flaming wreckage waiting to happen. India has no stealth aircraft and not even any strategic bombers, just attack planes that can _technically_ carry a nuke.
@@Bacteriophagebs they still got it tho
@@Bacteriophagebs mate you r thinking from U.S. Perspective that has challenge to project power everywhere where our enemies are at our borders ( Pak and china) our navy subs dwarws Pak where China would need to cross ocean to get to Us , as for air like i said our bombers don't even need to cross border to bomb our air launch missile are enough to reach Pak and most tibet region
@@Bacteriophagebs Yea, but it's kinda like not being scared of crackhead pointing a gun at you bc it's a hipoint. Yea it might jam, but I don't wana take that risk for the 30 bucks I got in my pocket. 😂
As a Brit, I appreciate the mention of the Chicken Bomb.
India completed their triad in 2018. They have 2 nuclear subs (INS Arihant and Arighaat), Mirage 2000H and Jaguar IS/IB bombers that can deliver 48 nuclear bombs, and 3 types of ICBMs being the Agni-V, Agni-VI, and Surya
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First of all, Nuclear Triad is a defence system as opposed to an attack asset, it unsures mutual destruction.
India dont need to and will never use Nukes on Pak.
1. Pak was and can be easily defeated with conventional warfare, even with "Third Party Aid".
2.Even after over a century of terrible wars, the people of Pakistan are like long-lost relatives, with the majority tracing their ancestors back to India.
So, no, we won't be nuking Pakistan for the near future.
Maybe they should clean up the disgusting amount of pollution and garbage that flows down every river in their country rather than spend money on nukes.
@@horatiohuffnagel7978 Na, Nukes better
Born too late for nuclear bombs, born too soon for nuclear muon-catalyzed cold fusion, born just in time for the nuclear power renaissance 😍
People always forget. The Toyota Hilux is a viable nuclear delivery method.
I'm Canadian, the closest thing we ever had to a nuclear triad was thinking of equipping Avro Arrow interceptors with unguided air-to-air nuclear rockets.
Not missiles, rockets.
Unguided rockets.
The idea was that if a Soviet bomber fleet was coming across the arctic, instead of sending an equivalent fleet of intercepting fighters to shoot them down, you could sent a much smaller number of Avro Arrows at them going Mach 2 to chuck 1.5 kilotonne Genies at them and decimate those fleets with *unguided* airborne sun simulators.
Now, there are a lot of genuine criticism of the Arrow program. While it was very advanced for it's time, it would have become an excessively cumbersome money pit for the Canadian government, and we'd probably still end up adopting one of the Hornet, Tomcat, Mirage, Gripen or Typhoon anyways. There is an interesting point of if the Arrow got adopted and fielded would Avro Canada still be a major force in western military aerospace engineering, but the cons definitely outweighed the pros and overall the Avro Arrow debate is still far too heated to look at objectively.
Even then, the Genie A2A nukes weren't even Canadian to begin with, they were under American control, just fielded and operated by the Royal Canadian Air Force, but despite all that that's the closest this country has ever come to a nuclear arsenal.
I love the Genie rockets.
I agree, that's something most people miss when talking about the Arrow. The plane itself wasn't the most advanced, and was overbudget (what defense project isn't?). But with it we might have had a chance to try again and make something even cooler that Canadians could be proud of these days.
That social clues line for the train ICBMs had be laughing out loud
I’m so old I hid under my desk at school to survive the attack from some of these weapons. It was a sturdy desk.
The point of hiding under your desk wasn't to protect you from the explosion, it was to protect you if you *survived that*. I only point this out because the thought is extremely funny to me: Someone survives the nuclear apocalypse, only to die moments later when the ceiling falls on them. It's straight outta loony toons.
7:10 The training version should have been full of confetti
Or just a little flag that popped out of the barrel that said "BANG"
@@Justin_Taylorboth is good
Back in the day some dude said "You know we don't need to deliver it if it's just insanely powerful." And the government went "great point hawe some funding." thus operation sundial was born.
The dude in question being the nuclear "enthusiast" and co-inventer of the H-bomb - Edward Teller. A few decades later he was trying to sell the Reagan administration on the idea of nuclear bomb-powered orbital x-ray lasers (Project Excalibur) as part of the Strategic Defence Initiative. The concept was tried out in a few underground nuclear tests but it fell far short of delivering on its promise and was abandoned.
Canada actually housed and had the keys to a bunch of Crockets 😆
The Suitcase has to be the best delivery method.
As an Australian I approve of the use of “Darts” to denote cigarettes
Bro got inspired from the newest darktide mission, stopping the train 💀
Project Sundial was wild as fuck. A world ending backyard munition.
When you started with nuclear land mines I instantly thought about nuclear depth charges and nuclear torpedoes.
6:37 playing helldivers 2 has taught me what this sentence truly means. No nuke is ever foolproof
The air genie air to air nuclear missile is probably the most ridiculous way to stop incoming bomber formations
I think "air to air unguided nuclear payload-tipped rockets" is pretty funny. In a terrifying way.
The airforce museum in Dayton, OH has one of the peacekeeper cars on exhibit out side.
5:30 the US crazy enough had the same system
Before watching, I hope he mentions rhat guy who proposed building a bomb so big it never leaves the factory and when blown up just destroys the entire planet
Chicken nukes are definitely my favourite
About the "Davy Crockett (nuclear device)", off wikipedia: "100% instant casualty radius in excess of 520 feet (160 m). The shell's greatest effect would have been its extreme prompt neutron radiation which would have killed most of the enemy troops inside that circle within minutes. Its blast would do very little if any damage to the enemy's tracked vehicles." So no, not "instantly vaporized" in that radius. I was skeptical because the fireball from Little Boy (Hiroshima) was apparently 600 feet in radius, and that weapon had almost 1,000 times the energy released.
I've been Obsessed with Nuclear Weapons (and just Nuclear Power in general) for a couple years now, Something that I find neat is the Hard Mobile Launcher (HML) which Launched a MGM-134 Midgetman ICBMs (god bless that name), Only a few were Delivered and from All records I found only the Boeing-Loral prototype still exists behind the Museum at Hill AFB, The Caterpillar Prototype was Scrapped in 2012 and an actual Production Variant that was at Wright Patterson was scrapped in 2015.
Also Project A119, Probably one of the most insane Ideas involving a nuclear payload and the god damn moon, I have a feeling some guy just said 'Why not?' at the Proposal Meeting.
Screw whatever people smoke nowadays, I want the Stuff they were Smokin' during the Nuclear Craze
They were probably smoking the cocaine-laced dollar bills poored on them by the understandably terrified and extensively indoctrinated American populous of the time. 😏
Or maybe just car battery acid, who knows? 😅
Bro missed the nuclear artillery and battleship shells 😭😭
Here in France we made a special version of the mbt amx30, the amx30-pluton (pluto) in essence, strap a 200km range ground to ground missile with a little warhead on the turret of the tank
More like 120km max range. It was an SRBM afterall. Still impressive and "fun" in a way. But yeah, it's a tactical nuke launcher, not exactly the kind of system usually thought of for the land part of the nuclear triad, since the idea is to be able to strike anywhere, anytime.
Your becoming one of my favorite commentators on military affairs. Keep up the good work my friend
No kidding. So the finale of Doctor Strangelove - where Slim Pickens rides the atom bomb like a mechanical bull, was making fun of the Davey Crockett delivery “system”? That’s great.
Don't forget, Nuclear tipped ballistic missiles launched off hovercraft.
as much as it pains me, no, the shinkansen is too slow to be a mass driver. at least 2 orders of magnitude too slow
I've never seen your Chandler before.. you look like a very young healthy Pablo escobar! I mean that in the most respectful way possible
The mustache really sells the gay thing. Very cool!
lmao you're so edgy
Saw a theory once that the Davy Crocket was an excuse to make a tiny warhead that could be taken to strategic areas in Europe then detonated to stop the Soviets from being able to use them or advance through.
Let’s go more Justin Taylor. These vids always make my day :)
Imagine how embarrassed you would be if you were the dude that set off the nuclear land mine.
You'd never live it down . . .
That's the trick, you wouldn't be embarrassed, or any other sentiment at all for that matter...
Not just movies, cars, women and now your telling me even nukes suck?
I think the biggest thing people haven't talked about but is probably the biggest threat: extremely large nukes on ships. The tsar bomb was only about 60'000 pounds. A small cargo ship can carry 60'000 _tons._ We saw what happened at Halifax. That would be a firecracker compared to the absolute monster nuke someone could fit on a ship and still have plenty of room for shielding to keep it from being detected by scanning systems.
My favorite nuclear weapon is the doom orion which is a multigigaton nuke that is propelled by nuclear explosions.
0:00 Fuck yeah, didn't know Sweden had a nuclear triad!
they launch ICBMs out of launchers disguised as Saab econobox cars
You only need to get about 1,000 meters from those small nukes and take cover.
By cooler he means more prevalent and in our face and fears
"Hey Dimitri, go clear that minefield for us"
"Yes sir"
*Clank*
Those who know
Honorable mention to American & Soviet SAM systems of the early '60's that protected the homeland by having nuke tips for prox-det destruction of incoming bombers! (Nike-Hercules, SA-5 Gammon, etc)
You can still visit some of the various old semi-underground launch bunkers for Nike-Hercules in some places around the country.
Nuclear torpedoes : yes they were a thing and almost were used and by that i mean fired during the cuban missile crisis if it wasn't for a senior officer whose key was required to fire it getting into a fistfight with a sub commander who ordered their use. This senior officers funny enough would later stop yet another near nuclear disaster basically making him the man who saved the world from nukes twice.
Nuclear sea mines these are still in US and soviet ports as far as we know. Both sides extensively mined each others ports.
Nuclear arty , davy crockett is baby stuff. Nearly every nuclear power developed some method of delivering it via long range dedicated arty platform or modified shells for some of their standard self propelled guns in the case of soviets
no no using training ammo in combat is how the best stories are made
When you consider how much explosive is in a Davy Crockett, and how much you'd be replacing it with to make a good simulator, that is a round that would hit like an artillery round, or at least a beefy mortar round.
They just instantly turn everything to dust, that's it. Just dust
They stopped because thats as far as you can go. The fewest amount of sides is what makes it so good. Other than a circle. The other best shape
Nah, it's called a triad because it refers to land capability, sea capability, and air capability. The only way to go further would be to put nuclear weapon platforms in orbit, and that was specifically banned under the treaties both superpowers signed, ratified, and enforced.
So my dad worked with the sadms on green light teams and these were being used in prep and training into the 1980s with training also involving repelling from black hawks. Post gernada, the pentagon and army phased out the munitions for reasons stated but also because laser guided bombs and targeting munitions were more accurate and had less collateral damage.
That title is insane.
Well the reason it's "only" the nuclear triad and not the nuclear pentad or hextad is because nuclear landmines are just nuclear bombs minus the bomber, train based ICBMs are just silo ICBMs plus a train and nuclear torpedoes are just SLBMs minus the missile.
Simple works, you don't need to overcomplicate nuclear armageddon.
It's air sea and land unless you get like a space based or subterranean drilling nuke there's really not much more to cover
Or just sundial which kind of encompasses everything
@@subjekt5577 Land, Sea, Air and... Backyard! 😂 😅 🤪😰😭😱
"Buk-gawk!" [earth-shattering kaboom]
The nuclear chicken mine was one of the stranger ways the Brits tried to use nukes. The other was the plan to nuke giant storage areas into the ground in Yorkshire. I mean, British Gas were just animals like that. "Storage tanks? Gasometers? Aye, aye. We could. Or, hear me out..."
You left out Nuclear ASROC. RUR-5 Nuclear depth charge. Deployed into the 1990s. Made almost all ship nuclear capable. This is actually the main reason that New Zealand, a nuclear free zone does not allow US warships to visit. "I can neither deny nor confirm the presence of nuclear weapons on board this ship."
11:00 did you have to censor the propeller? The most dangerous part of a nuke.
He didn't censor it, the government that produced it did. Yes they basically have to censor it, the same way submarine propulsion is and for the same reasons.
It was in OG footage. Every new sub or submersible's propulsion system is classified because it's sound signature cand be found if propellers shapes are known
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I see you working hard out here. May the sub gods bless you abundantly
0:19 5 if you count the il 28 as a atomic bomber
I'm pretty sure France or Britain also had a tiny nuclear *mortar*, but I haven't been able to find any info on this… Also kinda surprised you didn't even mention Project Pluto. It was never built, but the concept was essentially a nuclear-powered ramjet that could loiter for an extended duration and would irradiate everything around it while also being a MIRV-y nuke launch platform, able to follow a pre-programmed route of waypoints and deploy nukes along the way.
Big ups for bringing up Perimetr tho, it's insane how often that one is overlooked - especially given the fact that it still exists. IMO the most likely cause for nuclear war, when some 50 year old sensors fail while it's active.
Edit: Oh also, the entire concept of "salted" nukes and neutron bombs as """clean""" alternative.
100 meters of det cord is like 99 more meters than you need for a nuke.
They might as well have just attached a big red button on the side.
I will say the dead hand idea is actually kinda genius on a MAD level, if terrifying.
7:33 davy crockett + mirv bus + HIMARS = cluster nuke?
The lamp makes it look like youre thinking of elipses LOL
0:05 "nuclear triad, which if you don't know..."
Don't worry, the current president-elect of America doesn't know either
Oh look some rage bait