🕷 SPIDER - $64 for a Winter Capable Stove? - South Korean Kovea Spider Stove Review
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- This is a Multi-Season Canister Stove from the South Korean company known as Kovea!
In this Agenda Free Review Luke is going over his Pros and Cons and what he likes and doesn't about this fairly expensive stove.
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The Korean Kovea Spider Stove
What it is : The Spider stove from Kovea is an iso-butane system that was designed for use in not only warm conditions but cold conditions as well.
This stove can be inverted, it will run on liquid gas and guess what, it really works well!
MSR is an example. Snow Peak is too.
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Weight :
Full Kit - 7oz
Just the Stove - 6oz
Cost : $66 on Amazon at the time of filming. The price of this stove has gone up over $20 in the last year or so….
Materials : Primarily Stainless steel
BTU’s : 5,633 BTU’s
What’s included :
Stove - Storage bag - Ignitor
Features :
Foldable legs
Adjustable flame all the way down to simmer
Anti-flare tube
Low center of gravity makes the stove very stable
Cold Weather Use :
An incredible viewer sent this stove in for testing, Michael, thank you brother! It was right at the end of winter here so my testing in the cold has been rather limited; I did get it out into the low 20’s for a camping trip and roared when the fuel can was inverted. In cold temps, the hose is rather stiff.
The stove features a pre-heat loop that is close to the burner head and that allows the stove to run on liquid gas in cold conditions. It heats the liquid fuel and vaporizes it.
You fire up the stove, turn it to low, allow the pipe to warm for around 30 seconds, invert gas can and you’re good to go.
It has to be lit in when in the normal position; if you attempt to lite it when inverted you will experience a fireball….you don’t want this.
Note : Not all stoves with a similar design can be inverted; do not invert a stove that you specifically do not know was designed to be inverted. If you do, you’re going to have a very bad day.
Pros so Far :
Excellent quality stove
Very good design - speaking of which, this is a product that hit the market in 2012 and it hasn’t changed in any sort of meaningful way.
Very reliable so far
Very good performance - I have yet to be in a situation where I could complain and that’s in cold weather as well as warm conditions.
Very stable - locking legs are awesome
Cold weather performance has been excellent with my limited use.
There are a number of adaptors that can be purchased so that different types of fuel can be used - for an example, there is a Butane adaptor and a propane bottle adaptor.
Excellent adjustability - you can simmer or go all out.
Stove folds up small enough
Cons so Far :
The Kovea web site is shockingly scant when it comes to
Piezo Ignitor is a weak point; I’ve seen plenty of reports of people having issues, I’ve seen videos on YT of individuals having issues….have I had problems getting the stove to ignite with this?
Yes, it simply isn’t that good.
Tip : Add a bic lighter to your stove kit and if anything, use the included Ignitor as a backup…
Tip : Go flow on the stove, get the Ignitor directly to the burner head and go. That gives the best chance of ignition.
Not the lightest stove - there are systems out there that weigh much less.
Rather poor wind resistance.
BTU’s on this stove are a bit low when compared to the competition. Does that really make a difference? No, when you are out in the field on your adventure, you will not notice a minute longer to boil.
Pot supports aren’t exceptionally grippy
Small head doesn’t provide the best for cooking meals; stoves with a larger head will spread the heat over a larger area.
Included instructions are in Korean which needs to be corrected for safety reasons.
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Thanks for the honest review, Luke!
For full disclosure, my store specialises in KOVEA stoves, adapters and official spare parts, so we have a lot of feedback from our users around the world in some fairly extreme conditions down to -20C / -4F. I’ve only just discovered your review and thought you would appreciate a few more observations which aren’t covered in the comments below.
Re power, fuel efficiency & boil time: If you add a wrap-around windshield, you can greatly improve both fuel efficiency AND boil time. We developed a DIY design made from beer cans, which works really well.
Re Igniter: the end of the igniter should be in contact with the top of the burner head, and the gas is on low to medium setting. This usually works every time at lower altitudes, but it stops working reliably above around 3,000m / 9,000ft due to thinner air.
Re instructions in Korean language: official KOVEA dealers internationally provide English language instructions with all products, so yours is likely a model made for the South Korean market.
On top of these points, recently some of our customers are telling us they like that KOVEA products are made in strategic ally South Korea, and not in a competitor country, where a lot of other low-cost stove brands are made.
Hope this is helpful (and food for thought). Cheers. Steve
I have been using this stove for many years and have taken it to Colorado and Wyoming. With a good windscreen and teapot style wide bottom pot, we used it for 5 days in Grand Teton and mostly boiled water for 2 people and still had 1/2 of a 4oz mini isobutane canister left.
I live in South Korea and have been here since 2005. Kovea is a very popular brand for camping supplies. I have reviewed many-a-Kovea products on my channel too. Great products imo. Thanks for the review. If there is anything you're interested in reviewing from Korea, let me know and we can coordinate.
Great review but I have several counterpoints. I knew the igniter was junk when I bought it so I trashed it immediately. I take a lighter and flint and steel. I believe this stove is intended for backpacking so it really is geared to heating water to rehydrate meals. Also with most of these stoves, you should have a windscreen to increase the heating potential in all conditions. I bought a titanium Bobcat Kovea Windscreen and baking plate from Flat Cat Gear to help with heating food/water in our Evernew Titanium pots and with all weather conditions. The baking plate is a great addition to extend what you can make.
THANKS for posting about adding a windscreen and baking plate to the kit.
but why bother when you get less for more
@@devan2462 I wanted it and It had the features that other and cheaper stoves didn't.
Moonwalker is also good from Kovea. It is a popular brand here in the Philippones due to its price. A lot of Koreans climb mountains that is why they also have a lot of good brands for outdoors.
Thank you for that info Brother. Peace.
the question is down to physics. generally a similar amount of fuel will produce the same BTU in a similar burner.
Power to the Philippines. You will get, your islands back.
I have the MSR version of that igniter. I fount it works better when I drilled a hole in the end to better allow flow of the gas into the lighter. I should have put in two holes. It may even work better. That will happen. Nothing to lose.
I have two of these. One lighter broke very quickly. The other one still works, but I just use my firesteel to light them anyway. I've had them both for years and LOVE them. I quickly bought a 2nd one after the first because the bang-for-buck is/was amazing, and I do a number of group trips where we will be cooking multiple things at once. The burner is small, but it throws the flame to the sides slightly compared to some others that just shoot straight up, so that helps a little with making it perform like a *slightly* bigger burner. I have often been able to cook and simmer using this stove with various pots and pans all the way up to the larger Fry-Bake pan as well as a 3 liter pot.
When turned up inverted this stove sounds like my beloved SVEA 123.....a comforting sound in cold weather. Great review, thank you!
Thanks Luke. I’ve been admiring that stove as I’ve watched you use it. Glad for your honest review. You brought out some good points to consider.
Thanks again
Love the honesty in these reviews, top work mate
I have used this stove for years and I love it! I bring it when I am doing real cooking on the trail.
Wellllll... I still have and use my old Optimus 8R and Svea 123R. I have the mini-pump and special tank cap for that, mostly with the 8R because of the box having room for it, and it works just fine in winter. They use Coleman fuel, and I have some small Sigg bottles with special caps for that. They each put out about 5,000 BTU, and simply Work. And HAVE, flawlessly, for over 50 years. Just dont let them run dry so you dont have to replace the wick. Yes, surprisingly, you can still get parts for them! No they are not made of helium unobtainium with negative weight. BUT. Back when we started we had 80 lb Grumman Canoes, too. And yes we portaged them too. Ok, I have a nice light weight Graphite solo now, but still use my old Camp Trails external frame backpacks. Most of my stuff is old and heavy, but hey! It all Still WORKS! AND I dont have to 'properly' dispose of empty fuel canisters. Jerry
About the piezo ignition device: From what I understood is that these things work by catching gas from the stove into the tube and then give it a spark. So at 2:18 holding the piezo device more vertically to allow gas to enter and stay in the tube might result into a faster ignition and lighting of the stove.
A very good review but please, please include wind performance when talking about stoves. That should be one of your key reviewing points. Thanks Luke.
Love your honest reviews.
I watch a couple of TH-camrs from South Korea. They don't camp like we do...Their camping sites are amazing...No roughing like do...They all "car camp". Most likely the reason this stove hasn't changed is because the Koreans are using them on proper table tops. Still that is no excuse for the lousy igniter. but then again, I don't see the Koreans using it either. They use the long nosed bbq lighters.
Thank you, Luke, you always do awesome review I enjoy watching them this multi-season canister stove from South Korean it looks like very good product to use while you are camping, and I thank for sharing this with me keep up good my friend Luke
I have this stove as an extra in my car camping kitchen. I love its fuel versatility the aftermarket propane adapter provides. dose well in the cold and easy to find fuel, backpacking with it is a bonus for me
Hi from Syracuse NY Luke and Susan thank you for sharing your adventures and testing equipment for everyone to see and sharing your thoughts and facts and truth about the equipment
I love your review 🤩
Thanks Luke; good review of this stove.
The OEX Vulcan is a similar stove and in the UK at the time of writing is available for £19.50 (roughly $23.83) from Amazon or £27 ($33) from Go Outdoors/Millets.
Apparently there were two on Amazon and I've just bought one of them.
Really like this stove, thanks Luke!
First off, I like your reviews. They have steered me clear of some products but I have been satisfied with some of the products that you have given positive reviews to. That being said, I am a Canadian Soldier and I willing to shell out some money for additional kit to make my time in the field more enjoyable. I have been using the MSR whisperlight stove and it works great in the "holy &$$& it's cold Manitoba winters. I found it more reliable than what we are provided with and it can take deiseal which is I nice option if I ran into an emergency as our vehicles use it. I do use white gas and gasoline which substantially cheaper than the white gas alternatives, and still preforms great in -37 Celsius. Strength and Honor to you.
Thanks for sharing! Was that a jet passing overhead during the video? LOL
I can do this with my Polaris Optifuel that can support both canisters *and* liquid fuels. Speaking bluntly, this seems like such a nothingburger. I guess if you just want a canister stove? But the weight difference doesn't seem to warrant it.
Thank You, Mr. Luke. I Truly Appreciate It. You teach Me So Much. You and Susie Are A Welcome Welspring of Information.♥️👍🏻
Hi really like your programs and the way you explain everything clearly makes it easy listening.
Just curious with you camping in the wild all the time did you ever have any paranormal or something unexplained happened to you. Might be a topic for your video 😉.
I thought Soto made a stove called the spider. Maybe I'm mistaken. But it looks like a decent stove system. Thanks Michael for sending it in for us to be able to see Luke's testing and review
Hello I love your videos I subbed and watching your old videos
Very similar to the Soto Regulator, I like it, the inversion trick to make it work like an old Coleman is very nice.
I've had the Kovea Spider for three years for winter use. It works great. But I highly recommend some sort of wind screen. In the summer, I use the Soto Amicus.
Thanks for the review, and seems like a good stove to me...
Firesteel makes a great igniter for stoves like this !
Just bought and used this stove, even though it is considered low-output, it works just great with a wind screen.
Thanks
Just got the butane Soto stove a couple weeks ago, it works great!
Freakin' love mine!
Had a Pocket Rocket 2, but I wanted more stability and the ability to add an efficient windscreen without risking blowing up the canister.
Relatively lightweight, cheap, and invertable in colder weather!
I bought a Kovea Spider about 10 years ago. On a scale of 1-10 I rate it 5. BTW Luke my Kovea igniter that came with it works first time every time IF it comes in contact with the burner. My favorite stove now is the Fire Maple Polaris Regulator Upright $40 Amazon. I reviewed it on Amazon, compares favorably with the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe $80 in most ways.
Good review as always this stove has two many parts that could be easily misplaced in my opinion. I looked at the Soto like you use, but the description was in Japanese so I passed and went with the MSR pocket rocket deluxe works well.
In the electronics world, I normally hear "piezo" pronounced with a hard E in the first syllable. I find stoves come in two flavors: those designed to boil water fast and those designed to cook. I'm not a big fan of freeze dried meals and tend to go with cooking over boiling water,(except for Folger's Nasty). This might fit more with my style. I can give up BTUs for a good simmer. Enjoying the show. Keep doing what you do. Great review.
Hi Luke I might try and get one to try it out thanks JC
Very cool stove .It has good performance for it's size.👍
Have used the Kovea spider for about 3 years. Super reliable, folds down small, needs a wind screen in the littlest breeze. Not Super fuel efficient averaging 7 or 8 grams for 16oz boil. Being able to use butane cans is great $1.50 to $2.50 per. Haven't noticed much difference in boil times from Isobutane and straight butane.
Have used this stove for a while. Good review like usual however the key selling point for me is the massively increased efficiency when utilizing a windscreen and fantastic simmer control. Any attached canister stove that is not remote like this is unable to safely wrap with a windscreen. Something folks should consider depending on their usage requirements. With a windscreen and the bobcat baking system I often bake bread and such utilizing a double pot method and the excellent very low heat control from the spider. Food.....for thought.
I bought this a few months ago specifically for late season hunting and cold weather cooking. I’m curious to see how well it works!
I guess must be set in my ways. I usually camp out around my truck and don't really hike very much, so I use a Gas One stove. Runs on butane. Not the lightest or smallest, but I have liked those kinds of stoves for years. My first one was a Burton that I used while was long haul trucking. I guess I am just too used to those kinds of stoves.
When the time comes (winter) please do a video to compare low temperature operation of these stoves. I really want to know if they will operate well below freezing temperatures. White fuel stove weighs a pound.
So, the Coleman stoves and lanterns using liquid Coleman Fuel have what they call generators on them that with heat convert the liquid fuel into gas. In time the generators burn out and can be easily replaced with a replacement generator. Can the liquid to gas tube, on the Kovea stove, be easily replaced when it burns out, and it eventually will? I've used everything from homemade tin can cookers, heat tabs, folding stoves using Sterno, propane, Coleman fuel, and fires with grates. All do the job, but this little Kovea seems just right for a back packing adventure.
I had one but ended up trashing it. It sputtered way too much. I just bought another hoping for better performance. It should be the stove to rule all others.
Yea!! The new stove works great! I'm so glad i got another one. Now i don't want my windpro 2. Lol
I agree, speed doesn't usually matter. If it light's and cook's it's a stove. Nough said.
Do a review on Husky extreme tent flame 2
I have been camping since 1960 and have had nightmares with Butane fuel in the winter so have tried to stay away. Mostly use wood fires and Propane when allowed and know it is dependable.
BTU…. Does a stove that burns hotter/faster use more fuel in the long run than a stove that doesn’t burn as hot but boils water? I guess my question is about efficiency. If I slam the pedal to the floor I might outrun someone but run out of gas before the end of the race. Is that an issue? I probably didn’t word that very well.
You said it well. Yes, hotter and faster stoves require more energy over the same period of running time. In THIS test, the same amount of water boiled in HALF the time it took the slow-burning setup. That has to count toward efficiency.
@@jamesellsworth9673 Roger that, but if it burned half a tank of the liquid fuel upside down vice 1/8 of a tank in standard configuration that wouldn’t be a very good option unless it was an emergency situation. Same for other stoves in a standard configuration. Are they burning loads more fuel than the lower BTU stoves or is it a relatively insignificant increase in fuel consumption compared to the poorer performers?
Watching today's broadcast, it would have been nice to explain how this Stove can use vaporized fuel and liquid fuel and why other burners do not.
He did
Luke pointed out the copper tube running up beside the burner head and explained that it preheated and vaporized liquid fuel before it hit the burner. Stoves lacking this generator cannot safely use the liquid form of fuel that comes from inverting the gas canister.
@@jamesellsworth9673 Thanks
@@6toeNL Thanks
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Lightweight, not too expensive and Inverted stove ! It's a go to stove !
The more moving parts there are, the more chances you have for part failure. I've had a pocket rocket for 25 years. It's still in perfect condition, has never failed, and is very light. If you are car camping, feel free to bring the biggest stove you can fit in the bed of your truck. If you're backpacking, get something else. Just my two cents...
I wonder what the fuel consumption is like, both inverted and right side up.
I have the Kovea Spider Stove for bike touring did not use it yet
When you going to put up the trip and what stove would you recommend for children when they are camping with out parents
Hey Luke, do you have a “favorites” gear video?
Another advantage in cold conditions: You even can use the cheap butan only canisters with summer gas. It doesn't matter that butan stays liqud in winter because the pre-heat loop gasifies it. Keep your butan warm or heat it up in your clothings, shake it (the kinetic energy is converted into thermal energy) and use it upright the first seconds, then tilt it over, as mentioned. The propan part of the more expensive winter gas helps, but is not neccessary.
So so. I guess it will work.
Luke come on, if you're going to do a review, let's actually do one brother
If that sparker is a POS a lighter or a kitchen match must work better, and I am sure you do just that.
Nice video Luke. Watching you wear that jacket makes me hot . 😅 It's only a 103 in my backyard . Lol .
I don't care about how fast but doesn't longer mean more fuel get used up? See, I'm a small 'wood' (also can be used w alcohol)stove, uco mini flat pack person so I don't know the ins n outs of these types of stoves. Thanks Luke, your vids have helped me more times than I can count. Blessings Brother. Btw, its so loud it would prob drive me crazy, lol. Especially inverted
Yes and no. What most people don't consider is that the size and shape of the pot is just as, if not more important than the power of the stove.
Getting equal amount of water to boil in a larger(within reason)flat pot with lots of surface area will be significantly more efficient and quicker than doing the same in a tall narrow pot made of same material with same wall thickness.
@@apsynto that makes total sense. Ty
for me efficency is what matters. i dont care if i can boil water in 2 minutes if i go through fuel canisters like candy.
Have you ever had to replace a stove because it wore out?
South Korea, based on videos by their campers and hikers, have a lot of handy "disaster" food items, so easy to prepare, noodle, vegs, meat, desserts, snacks, etc.
Wish there was a distributor here in the states.
@Timothy Mckee thank you for this information.
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I'm a degenerate and use an alcohol stove. It may take 15 minutes or way more time to cook food or boil water, but I'm used too wasting my time looking at the scenery while cooking. I just do not like burners like this. Each stove type has its' good and bad points and I agree with many peoples' thoughts.
How well does the stove work, on the other gas canisters?
Do the attachments cost much?
You can get the other attachments fairly inexpensively... or get the BRS-11 version for about $33 that comes with other adapters.
Still cheaper than most MSR and snow peak stoves of the same caliber
amazon has it for $ 48.49
Hokey, in my opinion, I'll stick with my MSR rocket stove
Last 2 vids...
Wolf's Den you could use the magnetic screen door help with a good air flow. But mostly the tarp system could be implemented to add a awning over the door so you don't have to hide inside when it rains again.
This vid...
Yeah that is definitely a nice little stove. Because of that pre heat system and being inverted. But I'd like to see it in single digits. Lol but even up here in Michigan the winters have not been real bad lately. And a old long neck bick lighter would be a good idea for a replacement igniter.
I’m about to purchase a ultralight stove. I’m just curious as to how long do those Coleman gas canisters last?
These Coleman canisters last long enough to be a practical choice for a weekend of backpacking. They hold up for frying and boiling in the size of pans and pots Luke was using. 'Your results may differ'🙄😊: Run these on high heat and (surprise!) they go through gas faster. In cold weather, it takes more fuel to raise the temperature of whatever is 'on the fire.' The same is true in windy weather without a windscreen. My problem is more about how to handle partially-used canisters and ever-decreasing gas pressure.
@@jamesellsworth9673 I appreciate it. Everything I have is ultralight. Going on a kayak fishing stealth camping trip. Inspired by Luke himself!
@@jamesellsworth9673 I love cooking at my home. So I would save the partials and cook small meals around the house when you didn’t wanna fuss with the stove smoker or griddle
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You shouldn't cook on olive oil.
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I like & will stick with my Soto Windmaster 4-Plex which has a similar price. Made in Japan.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada
When you say there are faster stoves for boiling times. This is a big consideration 1) how much more fuel does this stove use with longer boiling times ..2) how much more does a higher btu stove use to boil water, this is really the review that should be discussed. ISNT THIS THE NEEDED INFO WHEN DOING A REVIEW. a stove is a stove it weighs this it boils water, yeah we get it..let's get down to it, this review wasn't very informative. Omg it boiled water really that's it.
Actually his point seems to be that it boils water, even when it's colder than the point at which butane normally won't produce a gas... you just have to keep the tank near your skin so you can get it started so the pre-heat tube can do it's job.
In my opinion, the lack of ability to do a liquid start is a negative, but still... it'll work more reliably in cold weather than your standard butane stove... of course, if you use a propane adapter you can lower it's useable temperature range by alot.
its a sparky do-flotchy-ma-jig get it right =P
For that price you can get a much lighter and fuel efficient Soto windmaster with a regulator that will work at high altitude or low temps without inverting. Bad choice in 2022.
Piezo is 3-syllables , pee-ah-zo
Lol
: )
It's pee-AY-zo
I am a weight watcher, way to heavy for me. BRS all the way.
Brass
I've got a cheaper lighter twice the BTU stove with the same pre-heat pipe, OEX vulcan.
there are better options out there
apparently not in America as of the time I'm writing this...
They must be paying you quite a lot
Piezo, pronounced P - A - Zo.
Pee zo
i dont think speed matters cuz u wqnna enjoy what u have but be safe foremost of all. jesus 1st. then safety 2nd.