Someone Copied My Favorite Stove! - Soto ST-320 - I Can't Believe It!
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- I can't believe that some company has copied my favorite stove, the Soto ST-320 Cassette Stove!
I also can't believe how inexpensive this stove is!
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Fuel : ISOButane. I have read in the comments on the FireMaple website that this stove is compatible with the Z1 propane adapter and according to those reviews the stove works without any issues on that fuel. The web site says nothing about this capability and the instructions specifically state not to use any fuel other than butane/propane mixture.
BTU’s : 15000BTU/h
Dimensions Stored in case : 7.5” wide x 7.5” long, 4” thick
Dimensions Set-up : 9.5” wide x 9.5 long x 4.75” tall
Hose Length : 26”
Materials : Stainless Steel, Aluminum, Copper
Weight with Case : 2.6lbs
Weight of stove alone : 2.3lbs
Case : 4.6oz
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I really like how you were so fair on that judgment of both stoves and as an average camper the $12 one would be perfect for me thank you
I've been left very wary of using Chinese knock-offs, they've let me down so many times and in some cases created a dangerous condition, they've almost all ended up in the bin.
After adding up the cost of binning so much busted, cheap gear...I'd have saved a lot of money by saving up and buying the proper gear in the first place, which I'd advise to anyone.
SOTO is one of those brands where you'll pay the extra cash, but you're paying for extreme reliability and dependable performance, which is absolutely worth it in the long run.
If you're starting out and aren't sure about spending a fortune on camping gear when you may not like it in the end, by all means, but replace asap if it becomes a hobby.
My case in point, I bought a FireMaple multi-fuel stove for a camping trip around Wales. Testing it out in the garden, it exploded from a part defect and could have killed me.
If I'd spent that little bit more and bought the SOTO multi-fuel instead (which I did in the end anyway) I would have saved myself the near-death experience.
Not only does the SOTO version have far better build quality, it also has some simple safety features that the Fire Maple knock-off totally lacked, but absolutely needed.
On the flip-side, the Fire Maple knock-off of MSR's Pocket Rocket gas stove just keeps soldiering on without any mishaps at all, so go figure...🤷
The Soto ST320 stove is amazing! I love its ease of use and portability. I bought it to replace my Eureka two-burner stove, hardly ever used the second burner; and it took up too much space in my van. I don't know if you watch the Japanese You Tuber, Tomo, but you can get a preview of many Japanese innovations. He van camps in a beautiful Toyota Hiace and his gear is unreal. His channel is "Little Camper."
lol little camper is one of my fave channel too.
Comments/replies like yours is THE reason I read 'em & enjoy 'em as much as watching the video.
His name is winpyjiji
That means "naughty(winpy) grandfather(jiji)"😊
Welcome to Chinese patent infringement unchecked.
love it, F patents
Probably TOFU stove, and will fail after a short period.
you might also call it parasite world.
@@briandalrymple9986 then buy another one, u can buy 6 for until u go even with the scam-320
its so funny to see people defend getting scammed@@ferruccio4531
I like this comparaisons between well known brands vs no name products very much. Good job Luke 👍
Sort of like a YETI Insulated Tumbler compared to a Walmart Ozark Trail model.. Same dam tumbler around $30.00 price difference.
My GSI Outdoors 4 cup espresso was $12 compared to $50 but was made in the same Chinese factory as the GSI as the materials are 100% identical, only difference is no GSI logo which I prefer.
I suspect sometimes these knock-offs are made in the same factory on a night shift. The factory is making them under a contract with the original company that off-shored production, but then the factory pretends the knock-offs must be coming from "some other factory". For reference, please see the book, "Poorly Made in China" of first hand experiences dealing with this type of situation and other shenanigans.
@@dougt8215 its probably not even that complex. Most likely the units that dont pass a given brands Quality control spec tests become the Ali-Express inventory. Hence these two being identical minus fit / finish
Wow! That could win the knockoff of the year award!! Believe it or not, Walmart's Ozark Trail has a real nice 4 piece camp stove. It comes with the stove, stand, pouch and an adaptor. I've been using mine for about 3 years now. On mine, the flame adjuster is a little funny. It flares up a little when you first light, but you turn it down and its good.
Been looking for a cheap stove for my hikes that seem to be more occasional than regular lately. Ordered the knock off on Amazon for about $20 cdn. For the amount of use it’ll get it should be fine for me.
Time will tell.
Thanks for your always unbiased reviews.
It might be speedier, but is it more efficient with the fuel spent? From the sounds of it there could be a leaking issue which means wasted fuel. Lesser build quality could mean lasting far less time. Could be a smaller investment up front, but with inefficiencies, leaks and shorter use life span could make it not worth it. It'll be interesting to see if it lasts for a good long time. I know I've gone the cheaper route only the item to crap out on me way too quickly. Case in point I had to go through 2-3 poorly made arc lighters before I spent a tiny bit extra on one where the wiring wouldn't crap out and fail to light after 5 uses.
Very interesting results. In Canada, this Soto stove is over $100 on Amazon. Prices are so much better in the USA $
They should have called the knockoff the "MOFO"😂
this mofo has all the firepower you need! 😂
If I remember correctly earlier version of ST-320 had stronger fire output, but if used in full power for long duration the fire output head would literally melt, so in later version of ST-320 SOTO decreased the maximum fire output.
Now that is one well used kettle
8k number is the heat dispersed from the hob, 11k number is the heating power considering the heat shield and side's reflection of heat back into the stove.
Interesting did you cool off the pot first, before going for the second test?
The knockoff loose fitting could be their selling points. It could be allowing more air to get aroind the head and this allows a hotter burn.
This is ment to be a joke btw.
The ratings on the knock off are probably the difference between burner power rating from that factory and delivered power rating. from the assembly line. It would be very interesting to identify a suitable 0 flame spread index insulation that would narrow the gap between the two ratings.
$70 difference on Amazon canada. 107 vs 35, so the price difference is real. I wonder how long the knock-off lasts and remains safe to use though. With gas devices, I would want something with a bit of longevity to say the least
$119.15 on Amazon AU. Made in Japan.
Ummmm every single one of plastic lighter is made in China. 99.99% of portable stove is made in China.
Should have done a test of how long it takes to burn through a new gas canister. See if there's a regulator on one or both of them and if one is more efficient. Time to boil is important but fuel usage is also important. If I can make my fuel last for a couple extra cook sessions, I'll gladly wait that extra minute or so to boil water.
When in doubt, by quality!!!
Maybe it's a dumb question, but have you ever thought of using this stove frame as a twig stove (like when you run out of gas)?
"Use the lid, Luke".🤣
Great job promoting a knock-off version! You've convinced me to buy one! Why buy the original?
I'm guessing if it has a small leak, if it has an o-ring it might need replaced with a little larger one. I bought a big two burner Ozark camp stove that runs on the big propane green containers and the o-ring and it was virtually gone. Got it for like five bucks so I can't complain so a 20-cent o-ring fixed it.
Not sure if you reviewed it already, but you should do a review on the Featherstone UL granite two person tent. Seems like a really nice tent for around the hundred dollar mark very well made.
Great review Luke, thank you for sharing it. 😊
Did you cool down the pot between the 2 trials? The kettle had already been used on the knockoff and then you went straight to the Soto with cool water and a hot kettle, so the Soto would have performed even worse…
Chances are they're both made by the same chinese manufacturer on the same line, one run of Soto and one run of the knockoff. The Soto run needs to meet manufacturer specifications, but the knockoff can be made a little cheaper (one or two cents per unit). Essentially the same stove, but somebody's making a lot of money per unit sold. Edit, You always run across this risk, when you choose to manufacture your product cheaper in other countries.
Hi. No. The Chinese rip-off is made in China. The SOTO is made in Japan. SOTO gear is very high quality. Cheers.
Love Soto's products, my Helix coffee maker & Soto windmaster stove have been the Most valuable thing in the bag on many of my gikes haha. It costs but its quality for sure.
Your Welcome Luke,, Cheers Brother..
If "the only difference is quality", then it is not the same stove. You get what you pay for. 75$ is a bit much. But will that plastic piece melt into oblivion in a life or death situation? Would you put that leaky gas near your loved one?
Edit:: I wrote this 4 weeks ago. I sound like a big snob.. I'm surprised someone liked it. The reviewer was skeptical of a few things and intended to say that I shared that skepticism, but agreed that the original was pricey.I am grateful the reviewer expended his time and effort to film a review, which takes hard work, unless it goes perfectly. That gas leak and burning plastic concerned me. To me, it isn't worth the risk just because it is cheaper. Although I only need something safe for power outages. I would get a heavier butane burner. This reminds me too much of kids holding a bic to a flammable spray can.
Another difference is the R&D that went into the development.
Spitballing here, but how do we know that the Soto is original version? Do they hold the first patents? Maybe they are both copies of older original from someone else?
As always.
Great video.
Thank you.
Can you run the Soto ST 320 on Isobutane or you need just Butane? I`m a little bit afraid. I want to buy one but I found in Germany mostly Isobutane. Getting normale Butane is hard to find. So I just want to be sure, if I dont make a misstake in buying one. The stove looks so cool and is very unique. Thanks for your help !
The nockoff is cool, but I would still get the soto you get what you pay for.
Is it just me thinking the Soto version would have taken even longer if the kettle was at ambient air temperature, but who knows just how much longer
Hey Luke!: The knock-off stove is neat. . .But. . .as an owner of the Soto ST320 myself, I can only add to what others have said about what a great little stove it is. I LOVE the storage pouch, and when I want to whip out a camp stove to use that is quick and easy to set up, I pick the little Soto every time.
Only bc its brand new thats why it was better. Give it a bash test see which one is better.
Hi friends. Can someone post some instruction on how to attach the stove to the cassette, safely.
the only way i could figure out the BTU's is there basing it off of the gas being at its coldest point before liquid then on the hot side if used in a hot weather environment???
Amazon link shows out of stock. :(
Where do I get the black one?
You can find the Soto branded stoves in Asia dirt cheap,picked one up in Thailand for about 20 bucks in a major department store there...Us Americans paying too much for simple cheap crap...
Q. Where are these manufactured? Dont tell me both are made in China. Most lively both made at a much cheaper cost and the branded one, Soto, is upmarketing for it's name.
How good is the knockoff at doing a low temperature simmer?
Right? Also no mention if the knockoff has an actual regulator for equal fuel canister pressure. Plus the gas leak should be quite concerning. I love this channel but this was a half assed review/demo.
Sure the stove is cheap but the shipping is $25.00 on top of the $12 stove.
If the Chinese can do it at these prices I’m guessing Soto could reduce their prices to make theirs more affordable.
Look nice either way
Ever see the winnerwell ironstove?
6:58 for all intents and purposes*
Haha. I just commented similar myself a bit ago. 🤣
The knock off will probably blow up in your face and start a forest fire
I would rather have a quality product, than a cheap crap, but just starting out, go with what you can afford
1 Soto = 6 knock off.
It's your choice.
So some company designs and develops a great product. Sells it for a reasonable profit. And some Chinese sweatshop copies it for cheap and you advertise it? Wow. Crappy move.
Luke is so clueless sometimes.
Always up to a good deal,but...with any gas leaks,the money isn't worth a hospital trip.
Probably just an o-ring needs replaced.
The sad reality is that China just makes a lot of the products already. Parts, assembly, materials can be done in China and as long as a certain % of parts or work is done in the labeled country, it can say it’s made there.
A lot of copies come from CNC files that have been hacked. If the machine is doing all the work from the original files, then how different is it really?
In this case, it’s a Japanese company. They probably have little shame over it, they probably feel justified after what Japan did.
When you need a camping stove you don't need junk. Especially when lighting a cooking fire is not an option. That thing will be landfill in no time!
Agreed. When it comes to safety, you don't cheap out.
Thanks for sharing
I wouldn't be caught dead carrying either yes an alcohol stove takes longer but doesn't sound like a plane taking off. I go out to be in nature not run every animal 500 yards away.
Once you understand how and why alcohol stoves work you can make them work everywhere there's oxygen. I was able to use my Ultimate stove at 7000 feet elevation at a brisk 9 degrees Fahrenheit
Soto it sounds like it would be a Japanese brand. Soto means in Japanese outside, exterior, so probably it is some Chinese knock-off.
The Soto st-320 is rated at 2100 Watts
Uberleben Stove vs The Firebox
LOL! I was NOT expecting that outcome. My guess is it doesn't hold up long term, but that's just a guess.
I single Soto would need to last vastly longer to be equal to buying 6-7 of the knock off
Tried ordering the stove and it never came.
I dont know how it's 12 dollars, its 26 when I check the link.
Can’t find it on Ali. What is the name of stove?
There's a link for the Ali Express stove up in the description box
You have to think maybe the SOTO is the knockoff. They may have seen it in China and thought we could make that.
Luke when will we see you and Susie on a adventure together
I rather paid extra than buy knock off.
As of January 30, 2024 at 5pm Central Time is it $26.81. I would have snagged it for $12 but not $26. Thanks for the review.
Marketing chinese knock offs doesn't really go with your "Strength and Honor" motto.
Now its 26$. Lol
Id pay the extra for a Japanese made product that is made to last, been there done that with Chinese junk. Put a 600% tariff on products imported from AliExpress - and so the cycle begins. Slave labour makes companies richer and the workers poorer
I am sorry but i kept looking at his glasses on the outside of his hat over his ears and to me it looked odd! Again I am sorry.
Someone is buying 4 knock offs. Sotto better step up in their over priced game. I wonder if the manufacturering is worth the $70 ? I'm thinking 3 dollars to make , sotto slaps it's brand , BAMMM! 70 BUCKS.
There are some broken links in your merch list. Great review!
They are laughing because it only took $12 for you to give them your information.😅 js
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the Soto's parts are manufactured in China and final assembly is done in Japan. That is the normal way made in China knockoffs are born. No such thing as patents, copyrights, or intellectual property rights there.
Knock off sounds way better here tbh
The knockoff sounds like it was leaking😂
Yeah... you don't want to buy knockoffs when it comes to things involving fire, and it leaks? Yikes.
Please don’t promote, stolen designs. At that price, made in a forced labour camp.
Supporting and profiting with your Amazon Affiliate links from intellectual property theft is not a good look.
Buy cheap,buy twice.
I don't think that's how the saying goes. Sometimes buying twice is still cheaper than buying once...
I, sincerely, hope that adage holds true in this case.
$75 vs $12 umm. Happy to buy it twice at that price, 3x or even 4x still saving some serious $$$$$
And save £50...no brainer
A useless gimmick stove now has a useless knockoff made in China.
There's no honor in ip theft.
There's no honor for a company in ripping-off their valable customers when charging 75 bucks for this item
@@philippek81do you know how much the fiat dollar is really worth these days?
They are definitely not the same, they're just remarkably similar. Right guys?😅
Time and usage is the real determining factor between original and knock off's.
My thoughts exactly. You should continue to use the knockoff to see how many uses you get before that plastic melts and to determine if it renders the stove useless
I agree unfortunately, it is really hard to deny that approach.@@rlwings
This means that Soto has to be 6 time longer ( based on the price) than the knockoff. Otherwise, Soto is just not worthy….
That and quality control... Chinese knock offs are notorious for looking the same but lower quality materials and shotty quality in general.
@@SilvaDreamsthe original isn't exactly high end materials
Just my opinion, but I'd rather pay for quality than get a cheap knockoff...
Yup just yours
@@HuYeah-vg5dy😂 yup
Yep, after shipping it was about 24$. The other difference I experienced was the black paint on the prongs where the pot rests upon. It began to burn off and it smelled. I will be sanding it off.
and thats what a stove like this SHOULD cost because both are devices made of sh.. and sticks ....they can sell it for 12 that means its made for less than 6 dollars....which reflects actual material cost and cheap labour, and no fancy schmanzy brand name to bragg with. $75 for a construction like that is just HILARIOUS.
I have the Soto, it's NICE. Well worth the money.
I wonder if it's really a knockoff or it wasn't "in specs" enough to get branded Soto? We've seen plenty of other stoves and burners that look and perform virtually identical but under different brands or unbranded.
You get what you pay for.
No strength and honor giving free advertising to a rip-off.
Are you making an accusation?
I would go with Soto, for one, its designed with safety in mind whine the knockoff version is designed to 'just Burn' (whatever it can be) mindset. Achieving higher temperature means they may Not have accounted for long term usage and eventual catastrophic failure.
Kettle was already warm. Need to use 2 cold kettles.
The knockoff was first so it had the hardest task and still did it faster.
@@Spushed Oh I missed that. Thanks for the detail.
I think the real question is did he use the same can of fuel back to back or was there a break in between to let the can warm back up?
@@namelesuseryou can see that he used 2 different cans
@@ironboy3245 oh. derp lol.
Quality is important, especially if you are talking about the possibility of gas leak.
I can't believe this bloke is commenting favourably on a stove that he himself hears leaking during testing. It's grossly irresponsible and dangerous.
That means the knockoff is better because it's lighter. UL campers gonna love it. lol
In Australia a lot of portable gas stoves were recalled. It must meet au stds. Leaking gas is a major no no.
I have had the copied stove for some time and I got it before I ever see Soto ST-320 Stove
I had the knock off from Ali a few months ago , was about to do a video on it as I couldn’t find one before I ordered it . I 100% agree with your finding as it’s exactly like mine only issue was the gas connection being a little leaky on connection , but awsome trunk stove for quick brews on the go ! 👌 and £10 Uk delivery can get a McDonald’s for that these days