@@maxflight777 I agree the BMWs hold their value well, certainly better than their cars and SUVs. Less than a Ducati, more than the Japanese equivalents but there's something special about them for sure!
Hi Tony. There is also a revamped Moto Guzzi V85TT coming out in 2024. New TFT dash, adjustable screen, alloy subframe, also switchgear from the Mandello. There is a road biased version with cast wheels too. I got a good look at them and the Stelvio at ECIMA
As a new(but old) rider I would be considering the Himalayan or the NX500, but realistically I would more likely buy a 2nd hand bike anyway, so an interesting market they are targeting.
The Africa twin is so much better with the new front wheel. It’s been on the GS for years and most bikes stay on the road in the UK I would consider one now.
Great video. The BMW F750 and F850 were such a disappointment / step backwards compared to the previous gen F700GS and F800GS which were so much lighter. I was excited to buy one until I realized I would have been downgrading. Kept my F700GS instead... Hopefully these new F800 and F900 GS are a step in the right direction!
We have put a deposit on two 450 Himalayan's, hopefully arrive in a couple of months. Saw the MV at the NEC, stunning bike but way over my budget even though it has my initials!
My view on the smaller brands is that if you’re doing a RTW - or big long trips, you need to buy from a big brand, if something goes wrong, you can get out of the crap faster. That’s what would always steer me away from the likes Guzzi and CF Moto.
Honda is probably a good way to go, given the amount of dealers and service centres they have around the globe. or something simple like the himalayan that can be fixed pretty much anywhere
CFMoto 450 looks interesting. I live in a city of 2.2 million people (99.999% are 'anti-motorcycle' people) and there's only 1 CFMoto dealer, however that's better than no dealer at all. And the new liquid cooled RE Himalayan looks the business also (yes, even the welding isn't bad). The new Tenere's from Yamaha should remain a safe bet.
Yes My gs 700 is still a great bike, i too looked at the gs750/850 and was very very disappointed , kept my old 13 model 700 and very happy after almost 80,000 kms .
Just ordered the NX500 for my first bike having passed my MOD2 last week. Should be here mid January I’ve been told. Got the comfort pack to go with it. Can’t wait. Struggling to insure it as most if not all insurance companies don’t list this bike yet on their websites
Yes heated grip, main stand, 12 volt battery connector, wind defender, 3l tank bag and knuckle guards. Just a little worries riding it home from Blackpool uk, it’s going to be wet and with new breaks new tyres, new bike and me as a newbie I’ll be taking my time. Probably take the A roads home and give the motorway a miss lol
@@DeanArnold1066 literally just remember all the stuff you did to pass and ride 15-20% slower and give vehicles ahead more space. You'll be fine , I have no doubt
Thank you Tony for great video! I loved the Himalayan original retro look. Not a huge fan of the looks of the new 450. I bought a new to me 03 BMW Dakar. I'm obsessed with her. Hoping that BMW will bring them back. But the 900 GS looking great!
With the road focused Tenere and Transalp why do these manufacturers persist with tubed tyres?? After 2 flats on an Africa twin vowed never again will I have tubed tyres. Both cases inner tube wrecked so a sealant would not have worked.
Happy new Year Tony. Some interesting variants there. Personally, ive ordered the new Tiger 900 Rally Pro, stepping down from the 1200 due to the issues ive had with it. Was planning on the new AT AS, but the new looks and the 19" front wheel have put me off! Looking forward to your reviews of these bikes through the year. Thank you
Happy New Year to you & family Tony⭐️ The CFMoto 450MT is on my radar & it should be priced in the UK comparable to the RE 452 Himalayan. That is what it is here in Aus. Both are introductory pricing & the first shipment has sold out on the CFM450MT. Not a bad effort.
This is a selection of 'new' adventure bikes for 2024, theres no change in the 1290 SAR for this model year, except maybe from colour/graphics. But thanks for watching twice 😉
I probably going to go with the Honda CRF 300L Rally I need a light weight cost effective bike I can fix. Unless BMW can come up with a new 310 gs can’t see that
I know a lot of it is fashion, but it seems to me that the larger pavement oriented “adventure bikes” are competing with sport tourers and even sporty standards. I really do not see any advantage in an “off road” looking bike running street tires …except of course individual preferences about looks. Any thoughts?
The lines are getting blurred and there’s a growing ‘middle ground’ of bikes that straddle ‘adventure’ and ‘touring’. A lot is to do with riding comfort, but in the same way people buy SUV’s the rugged tall look of these bikes is a consideration.
People generally don't like change I guess, and despite having quite a counter cultural back ground, a lot of motorcyclists seem to be pretty conservative. I think it could well bring in new customers, I for one am more likely to try one out than I was before.
Hopefully the MTX Concept is released mid year by CF Moto. If going by early info, it ticks most boxes. It’s styled really well too unlike its rivals in KTM 890 and Norden 901. Here in Oz, CF Moto has a pretty good dealership representation .
It uses the KTM designed engine though which as an 890 ADV R owner I find very gutless low down in the revs. The styling of the MTX looks fantastic though, and CF Moto don't seem to have the same camshaft issues the KTMs have.
Along with two other darn good bikes, I own a fully farkled ‘18 Africa Twin DCT that wears upgraded suspension, exhaust, seat, steering damper and a host of other expensive thingamajigs, the new ‘24 with the 19” front wheel is the only bike I’d consider buying new.
The new CFMoto 450 could be a game changer in its category really putting the cat amongst the pigeons interesting times ahead of they bring build quality and good support to the table 👍👍
I got rid of my Tenere - I don’t know about others, but the gearbox was crap. Worst shifting of all the bikes I’ve had- my old DR was so much slicker then that.
I do my best to not buy anything from China. However, the most interesting bike on this list IMO is the CFM MT450. It looks incredible and looks to have tremendous value in the small CC ADV sector.
I wish the industry and the marketers would get the vernacular right with these big bikes. They are travel bikes at best. 575lbs average weight warrants it. 450 is all a guy needs... just not from the CCP.
Kudos to BMW for reducing the weight on their new mid and full size GS bikes, even though that's a bit like congratulating a 300 pound girl on slimming down to 250 pounds. The Chinese manufacturers are starting to attempt to fill the Goldilocks gap in every large motorcycle manufacturer's ADV lineup, between their heavy mid/full size ADV bikes and their low end 300 cc small ADV bikes that are clearly marketed as beginner bikes that get new riders on the upgrade path to their much more profitable proper ADV bikes in the 800-1300 cc class, with a 500 pound weight that makes them real wallowing pigs off road. CF Moto and Kove have some 450 cc offerings that are light enough to do well off road but with enough power to comfortably cruise on the highway when needed. I can't wait for Indian manufacturers to make a 450-500 cc single that's lightweight and off road oriented. Keep it simple. 5 gallon fuel tank, large rear rack, aluminum bash plate and maybe engine protection bars. Minimal equipment but high quality. No cheap switch gear.
Never been a fan of the big gs how they ride how heavy they are how the boxer produces power how wide they are etc but this new one seems more me than the old battleships aren’t sure why so many people are upset that they’re getting a better road bike when they don’t use them off-road anyway I still think how good the thing is will be blown massively out of proportion like previous models also wonder what the servicing is like on the cf if it’s like say a ktm 450 or wr 450 etc you’ll be servicing it as much as riding it 900 gs seems decent as well 220kg 105bhp sounds like I’d have it over the 1250 and 1300 Always liked the Africa twin as well but they’re asking 150+bhp money when they only offer 100 As for the t7 it’s about time they gave the thing a new motor cp3 geared for even more torque perhaps and some tech chucking a mudguard and some pegs on it is a bit lack lustre
After picking up my new 1250GSA Rallye, I can’t see me looking at another bike for years. Adv bikes to my eyes are NOT about looking pretty. They get dropped, scratched and dented. So folk that keep banging on about the 1300GS, well, you probably covet your bike rather then get it proper dirty off road - if you ride it the way BMW intend, it’s ain’t going to look pretty after a couple of months😂 so don’t worry about the damn headlight😂
A great review. However. I wish you had done the CFMoto Ibex 800 T. I just bought one and with all the standard equipment that others do not have. Comes with a marginal windscreen and road worthy tires, is a drawback.
like the RE Himalayan, CF moto 450 MT and Honda NX500 you mean? 🤔🙄 and I have no say over what the manufacturers launch, as the title says its 'new' adventure bikes for 2024
I had a slip of the tongue on the Himalayan, which I missed in the edit. It is of course a single not a twin!
I think the price of new motorcycles is getting out of hand.
It’s right along with the car prices!
I think the price of everything is getting out of hand…
Utter bollox ! The base model GS is phenomenal value.. it also holds its value well.
@@maxflight777 I agree the BMWs hold their value well, certainly better than their cars and SUVs. Less than a Ducati, more than the Japanese equivalents but there's something special about them for sure!
ya what ever@@maxflight777
Interesting times.
That cf moto is what Honda should be building on the new nx500.
Their loss. Good luck cf.
Ride safe. 👍
It looks a interesting bike! You too Buddy
Can't wait to see if it lives up to it's promise!
Hi Tony. There is also a revamped Moto Guzzi V85TT coming out in 2024. New TFT dash, adjustable screen, alloy subframe, also switchgear from the Mandello. There is a road biased version with cast wheels too. I got a good look at them and the Stelvio at ECIMA
As a new(but old) rider I would be considering the Himalayan or the NX500, but realistically I would more likely buy a 2nd hand bike anyway, so an interesting market they are targeting.
Yes, that NX500 could be the perfect 'in between' model among everything else on the market.
I'm the same and I got a new to me bmw f650gs DAKAR I absolutely love it
The Africa twin is so much better with the new front wheel. It’s been on the GS for years and most bikes stay on the road in the UK I would consider one now.
In the metal, not the flesh. Well said. I like the new 1300GS, too. The NX500 looks good. The AT has tubeless rims. About time. Nick
Nice one Tony. Thank you and happy new year. Personally, I’m looking forward to the Africa Twin with the 19 front.
Same here, it’ll be interesting to see how differently it rides.
@@mancavemoto will the 2024 AT come to the US? Any news?
Great video. The BMW F750 and F850 were such a disappointment / step backwards compared to the previous gen F700GS and F800GS which were so much lighter. I was excited to buy one until I realized I would have been downgrading. Kept my F700GS instead... Hopefully these new F800 and F900 GS are a step in the right direction!
Thanks
We have put a deposit on two 450 Himalayan's, hopefully arrive in a couple of months. Saw the MV at the NEC, stunning bike but way over my budget even though it has my initials!
I’m looking forward to having a ride on the Himi, looks like fun
My view on the smaller brands is that if you’re doing a RTW - or big long trips, you need to buy from a big brand, if something goes wrong, you can get out of the crap faster. That’s what would always steer me away from the likes Guzzi and CF Moto.
Happened to me. Had a Guzzi Stelvio that failed on me on a trip. Never again. You only own an Italian bike once in your life.
Like BMW? Lol.
Honda is probably a good way to go, given the amount of dealers and service centres they have around the globe. or something simple like the himalayan that can be fixed pretty much anywhere
Like to see you demo the updated Moto Guzzi V85TT.
So would I, but tricky to get hold of
I've got a Husqvarna Exp. on the way.
CFMoto 450 looks interesting. I live in a city of 2.2 million people (99.999% are 'anti-motorcycle' people) and there's only 1 CFMoto dealer, however that's better than no dealer at all. And the new liquid cooled RE Himalayan looks the business also (yes, even the welding isn't bad). The new Tenere's from Yamaha should remain a safe bet.
I'd also keep an eye out for Kove. Looks promising.
Yes I was thinking about including the new 800, but I had to draw the line somewhere!
Yes My gs 700 is still a great bike, i too looked at the gs750/850 and was very very disappointed , kept my old 13 model 700 and very happy after almost 80,000 kms .
And which of these bikes will sell the most? The Himalayan of course!
Just ordered the NX500 for my first bike having passed my MOD2 last week. Should be here mid January I’ve been told. Got the comfort pack to go with it. Can’t wait. Struggling to insure it as most if not all insurance companies don’t list this bike yet on their websites
Enjoy! it looks like a great bike, congrats on the pass!
You received good advice on the comfort pack. Hope it includes heated grips and a centre stand :) both essential.
Yes heated grip, main stand, 12 volt battery connector, wind defender, 3l tank bag and knuckle guards. Just a little worries riding it home from Blackpool uk, it’s going to be wet and with new breaks new tyres, new bike and me as a newbie I’ll be taking my time. Probably take the A roads home and give the motorway a miss lol
@@DeanArnold1066 literally just remember all the stuff you did to pass and ride 15-20% slower and give vehicles ahead more space. You'll be fine , I have no doubt
Some great choices of bikes there. Certainly one to get the mind working on what to pick next.
Um, the new Himalayan 452 is not two cylinders. It’s a water cooled single. Cheers
Good spot I hadn’t realised I’d said that! Slip of the tongue that I missed in the edit. Cheers
Thank you Tony for great video! I loved the Himalayan original retro look. Not a huge fan of the looks of the new 450. I bought a new to me 03 BMW Dakar. I'm obsessed with her. Hoping that BMW will bring them back. But the 900 GS looking great!
Cheers!
With the road focused Tenere and Transalp why do these manufacturers persist with tubed tyres?? After 2 flats on an Africa twin vowed never again will I have tubed tyres. Both cases inner tube wrecked so a sealant would not have worked.
It’s cost I suspect
Happy new Year Tony. Some interesting variants there. Personally, ive ordered the new Tiger 900 Rally Pro, stepping down from the 1200 due to the issues ive had with it. Was planning on the new AT AS, but the new looks and the 19" front wheel have put me off! Looking forward to your reviews of these bikes through the year. Thank you
Cheers Dave, Happy new year!
That was actually a really helpful vid, thank you.. I’m now looking at options I may not have previously thought of…. Cheers..
Glad it was helpful!
Happy New Year to you & family Tony⭐️
The CFMoto 450MT is on my radar & it should be priced in the UK comparable to the RE 452 Himalayan.
That is what it is here in Aus. Both are introductory pricing & the first shipment has sold out on the CFM450MT. Not a bad effort.
Cheers Steve, its certainly one to watch!
Wonderfull list, there is something for everyone, great time to be alive, cheers V!
Indeed it is!
I had to watch this video twice cause I couldn't believe that the KTM 1290 SAR wasn't on this list.
Did I miss something?
This is a selection of 'new' adventure bikes for 2024, theres no change in the 1290 SAR for this model year, except maybe from colour/graphics. But thanks for watching twice 😉
@@mancavemoto Hey, thanks for the reply. I was confused why the best adventure bike isn't mentioned.
Cheers
I probably going to go with the Honda CRF 300L Rally I need a light weight cost effective bike I can fix. Unless BMW can come up with a new 310 gs can’t see that
Yep, you can't go wrong with a CRF300!
Very informative information. Most appreciated.😊
With the possibility of testing 13 adventure bikes this year, you’ve got your work cut out for you 😉👍!
Yep, That's the plan! It should be a fun challenge too
Good informative vid. Lots of choices ! Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
I know a lot of it is fashion, but it seems to me that the larger pavement oriented “adventure bikes” are competing with sport tourers and even sporty standards. I really do not see any advantage in an “off road” looking bike running street tires …except of course individual preferences about looks. Any thoughts?
The lines are getting blurred and there’s a growing ‘middle ground’ of bikes that straddle ‘adventure’ and ‘touring’. A lot is to do with riding comfort, but in the same way people buy SUV’s the rugged tall look of these bikes is a consideration.
you missed ktm's 390 adventure R version.
There’s only spy shots and it’s a rumoured bike rather than a bike we know is coming to the market in 2024.
Basically the divide on the looks of the GS are based on focusing on future customers?
People generally don't like change I guess, and despite having quite a counter cultural back ground, a lot of motorcyclists seem to be pretty conservative. I think it could well bring in new customers, I for one am more likely to try one out than I was before.
Hopefully the MTX Concept is released mid year by CF Moto. If going by early info, it ticks most boxes. It’s styled really well too unlike its rivals in KTM 890 and Norden 901. Here in Oz, CF Moto has a pretty good dealership representation .
We shall see
It uses the KTM designed engine though which as an 890 ADV R owner I find very gutless low down in the revs. The styling of the MTX looks fantastic though, and CF Moto don't seem to have the same camshaft issues the KTMs have.
Where is the HD Pan America 975cc??
Effectively still only a rumour with no confirmed release date.
Along with two other darn good bikes, I own a fully farkled ‘18 Africa Twin DCT that wears upgraded suspension, exhaust, seat, steering damper and a host of other expensive thingamajigs, the new ‘24 with the 19” front wheel is the only bike I’d consider buying new.
I'm an Africa Twin Fan and I'm very excited to try out the new bike to see if theres much difference.
A staggering number of new bikes - crazy! What about the GS 1400 (or GS 1300 Adventure)?
Indeed! I could have made and entire video on the BMW's and I had to draw the lie somewhere 😂
Did I miss the KTM / Husqvarna bikes?
Nope, nothing new or no updates other than colours for 2024
Aprillia ?
No changes to the Tuareg for 2024 other than colours
@@mancavemoto but but “Bold New Graphics” 😂
Oh yeah I forgot that, Damn! 😂 Nice bikes though I like the Tuareg a lot
The new CFMoto 450 could be a game changer in its category really putting the cat amongst the pigeons interesting times ahead of they bring build quality and good support to the table 👍👍
Indeed, now they are distributed by KTM in the UK, support should be good.
Just remember that when the CCP/NPC make it the only bike available for you comrade..........
Yamaha still not offering the Tenere with tubeless wheels is a mistake imo.
Well presented and well researched. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I got rid of my Tenere - I don’t know about others, but the gearbox was crap. Worst shifting of all the bikes I’ve had- my old DR was so much slicker then that.
How much does the 450 weigh?
There's no confirmed information at this point in time
I do my best to not buy anything from China. However, the most interesting bike on this list IMO is the CFM MT450. It looks incredible and looks to have tremendous value in the small CC ADV sector.
great review as usual tony
Glad you liked it!
Excellent observations…. I agree with everything you said ! F900GS looks attractive and great value. Do you need more ?
I wish the industry and the marketers would get the vernacular right with these big bikes. They are travel bikes at best. 575lbs average weight warrants it. 450 is all a guy needs... just not from the CCP.
Kudos to BMW for reducing the weight on their new mid and full size GS bikes, even though that's a bit like congratulating a 300 pound girl on slimming down to 250 pounds.
The Chinese manufacturers are starting to attempt to fill the Goldilocks gap in every large motorcycle manufacturer's ADV lineup, between their heavy mid/full size ADV bikes and their low end 300 cc small ADV bikes that are clearly marketed as beginner bikes that get new riders on the upgrade path to their much more profitable proper ADV bikes in the 800-1300 cc class, with a 500 pound weight that makes them real wallowing pigs off road. CF Moto and Kove have some 450 cc offerings that are light enough to do well off road but with enough power to comfortably cruise on the highway when needed. I can't wait for Indian manufacturers to make a 450-500 cc single that's lightweight and off road oriented. Keep it simple. 5 gallon fuel tank, large rear rack, aluminum bash plate and maybe engine protection bars. Minimal equipment but high quality. No cheap switch gear.
AWESOME SUPERB ! ! ! !
Many thanks!!
hey blote wheres the pan america. i have had most of these bikes and to me i got the pan and it is the best
These are new bikes for 2024, oer significant updates. Nothing new on the Pan this year except for colours.
The F900GS must be a rebadged Honda, the front looks EXACTLY like the cb500x.
what do you think about the M.G. V85TT???
I like it. It wasn’t included in this video because there’s nothing new for 2024 apart from colours 👍
Never been a fan of the big gs how they ride how heavy they are how the boxer produces power how wide they are etc but this new one seems more me than the old battleships aren’t sure why so many people are upset that they’re getting a better road bike when they don’t use them off-road anyway I still think how good the thing is will be blown massively out of proportion like previous models also wonder what the servicing is like on the cf if it’s like say a ktm 450 or wr 450 etc you’ll be servicing it as much as riding it 900 gs seems decent as well 220kg 105bhp sounds like I’d have it over the 1250 and 1300
Always liked the Africa twin as well but they’re asking 150+bhp money when they only offer 100
As for the t7 it’s about time they gave the thing a new motor cp3 geared for even more torque perhaps and some tech chucking a mudguard and some pegs on it is a bit lack lustre
Does your keyboard not have a comma and period key?
@@henryvaneyk3769I’m glad that it bothers you enough to write a comment Henry.
After picking up my new 1250GSA Rallye, I can’t see me looking at another bike for years. Adv bikes to my eyes are NOT about looking pretty. They get dropped, scratched and dented. So folk that keep banging on about the 1300GS, well, you probably covet your bike rather then get it proper dirty off road - if you ride it the way BMW intend, it’s ain’t going to look pretty after a couple of months😂 so don’t worry about the damn headlight😂
Why are there no KTM products in the video? The 790 is new. Just curious.
The 790 adventure isn’t new for 2024, and theres no significant changes to the KTM adventure line up other than colours. That’s the only reason
A great review. However. I wish you had done the CFMoto Ibex 800 T. I just bought one and with all the standard equipment that others do not have. Comes with a marginal windscreen and road worthy tires, is a drawback.
It's not a new bike for 2024, hence not included
This might the year China make an impression
Could be and CFMoto seem to be leading the charge
Only pick the extremely heavy and super expensive
like the RE Himalayan, CF moto 450 MT and Honda NX500 you mean? 🤔🙄 and I have no say over what the manufacturers launch, as the title says its 'new' adventure bikes for 2024
Are you from Dagenham?
No I’m not
No Harley Pan Am on the list ?
Nothing 'new' for 2024 at the time the video was made
👍👍👏
Why are new adventure bikes totally useless on dirt roads.
But they are not though are they.....