Excellent and well put together vlog Tony! Thanks for the shout out!! Honestly, I hope BMW make the F450GS asap because id love to enter the GS Trophy on one!!
@@mancavemoto They will be going somewhere, that's exactly my point. PMG is going down and with it KTM, Husqvarna, GasGas and quite a few other companies under that same umbrella parent company. Suggesting bikes from this parent company are "bikes of the year" pushes your less educated audience into considering buying products from a dying company, which is pretty shady.
But I wouldn't consider it to be dying. There are financial issues to deal with, but KTM as a brand is the one likely to come out the best. If things were that bad they wouldnt be introducing new models. MV Agusta and Gas Gas I would say could be the brands to go/be sold off from the group. I never suggested any if these are 'bikes of the year' in that sense and to suggest featuring current models available for sale as being 'shady' is a little unfair.
The BMW is stunning. Hope it looks like this. Odd crank set-up. The GB350 is a looker. The Vitpilen will struggle to sell with KTM's woes, although I bet the Indian-built KTM 390 Adventure will sell. Certainly in India. I like the Bear. It looks like my Yamaha SCR950. I also like the DR-Z. I had a DR250SH when I lived in Tokyo. Very enjoyable video, Tony. Nick
The 450 BMW and 390 KTM are the most interesting to me in the bunch, having said that the Honda CB1000 Hornet is a lot of bike for the money and looks stunning. Me on the R9 is about as likely as me being Luke Littler at darts. Happy New Year, hope your leg is better and looking forward to your new sponsor content.
Some sound choices across a variety of brands, sure all the bikes featured should do well in what is 2025’s marketplace. Quite looking forwards to the bsa 650 scrambler too, not that I’d consider purchasing but looks the business.. for me, on that list the standouts are the BMW 450 GS which if priced sensibly will fly out of showrooms alongside the KTM 390 ADV..just not sure I could trade down from an 890R (mostly power related 😬😉) for either.. keep these vids coming from time to time they are very well put together and informative Tony 💪👌
The BMW 450gs looks great but as a 310gs owner I would like to see some upgrades to it. Like the tft screen and usb port on the dash. It’s a great bike but the lcd screen makes it look dated. The seat on the 450 doesn’t look as comfortable as the one on the 310. Those hard bench seats seem more enduro than adventure. Great video!
Riding a lovely 2022 V2S Multi I’m looking forward to test riding the new model, the lighter weight should make superb handling even better and the new engine apparently has more torque from low down and a very punchy top end😀 PS. Nice to see more mid range better vfm choices, like the new Tiger in yellow.
Really like the look of the BMW 450 and look forward to seeing it in the metal , other bikes I look forward to seeing in 2025 are the new BSA 650 Scrambler, KTM Super Duke GT, KTM RCR, the Moto Morini 1200 XCape and Moto Morini 3-1/2.
Very similar bikes, the Suzuki is heavier but has more power. The yamaha is a bit more 'revvy' and you tend to ride more at the top end of the rev range, the Suzuki has more low to mid range torque, so it really depends on how you ride and what you like from an engine
Hi bud, Hope your well, hope you don't mind me getting in touch, but could do with your help, on a totally off the wall problem. Sena SRL3. Having problems with voice commands (ei hello Sena.) myself and I see loads of other cannot get this function to work. Just wondering if it's something you've come across. And with you being a lot more savvy with the stuff than I will ever be, if maybe you know of a solution. Tried Sena not much help. Thanks either way love the channel keep it coming. Stay safe. 👍
I found it a bit 'Hit & Miss' too, until I learnt that you need to say 'Hey Sena' and the command without waiting for a reply. If you say for example "Hey Sena Volume up", "Hey Sena play music" etc. The comms won't respond audibly, but it will carry out the command. works fine now.
The DCT is available in the 1100's with the Africa Twin, NT1100 and CMX1100. I asked about the transalp at launch and Honda said not for at leat two years, maybe never on that bike. Maybe too much overlap with the AT? Obviously the NC750X and X-ADV have it, so its not something that they can't do. But I guess weight and cost are issues?
Interesting to see KTM/Husky pushing the troubled 790 engine. Amount of complains I’ve heard first hand is unbelievable. I wanted 790 Adventure but went with BMW F900GS instead few months ago.
Interesting to know how many complaints come from actual owners. No doubt there was a problem but I get the feeling it’s overblown? I’m one of those people that owned and original 790 adventure. It was a 2019 bike which gave 25,0000 miles with no trouble other than a weeping brake master cylinder
@mancavemoto I’ve spoke with 4 owners (Duke 790, 790/890 Adventure) that had issues with cam shafts & some minor issues. One resolved the issue by him self, one sold the bike broken, and two had dealer repairs, however they paid for some work. Interestingly enough guy that repaired by him self says he is very satisfied with the bike and won’t change, others were not so happy. One guy didn’t have any issue but he is at 8000 kms at the time we spoke. I tried to do my research before buying, there are some people online that claim large mileage with no intervention. But I was not willing to risk, even tho, 790 Adventure was the bike I wanted the most as price/value ratio was very good. F 900 GS had an somewhat reliable engine from 900XR, and local dealer has good reputation.
Thanks for the video Tony. It hit on two bikes I'm considering, the V2 Multistrada or the Tiger 800. I'm getting a bit worried about the Chinese invasion though, with the 900 Voge for example coming at around half the price of a specked up Multistrada. Do you there could be a resetting of prices to come on European bikes?
Bikes from china are competition to japaneese bikes. Both are ment for endurece reliability tooned down bikes that will work for ever so people can bring both wives, ten kids and a pig to the market place. Europian bikes are performance oriented
I don't get it why BMW choses a 19" front wheel for the upcoming 450, for a bike that is clearly dirt oriented. Well, at least that's how they market it themselves! ;-)
None of these bikes are practical or versatile. Would I want to take them on the highway with a passenger? How about on a long tour? Definitely some great styling on a few, but don't see qualities that make any an everyday ride. There's too much focus on one style of riding on a specific terrain. I'd pick the Honda GB350 as the most enticing. It's size seems like a more exciting and comfortable proposition than a Rebel if you are small enough. Looks small in the video. Thanks for putting the list together. I would love to see bikes that are innovative or bucking the fads and going about things their own way. Offering something that few others offer.
@@mancavemoto @mancavemoto @mancavemoto I just had my TFT display fail on my '21 Africa Twin. It's a known issue and Honda is extending their warranty on this part to 10 years. Mine was recently replaced by the dealer. If anyone can build a display that will last that long, I would think it would be Honda, but, unfortunately they are not immune to poor quality control, especially since they farm out manufacturing to different companies. What do you think will happen if you trust your electronics to Ducati and you head out on a multi-day trip? I'd put my money on the Triumph between the two, but, really, I'm looking at lower tech and not more riding modes. How about just traction control and ABS (both defeatable), cruise control, good adjustable and comfy ergos for rider and passenger and call it good?
Ktm.makes the best bikes on the market. Nothing can compare with it. Snall displacement bikes are vwry reliable. Once this crysis is ower , ktm will enhence reliability and it allready did, there will be no reason to buy anything else
I think you're right, but it's weird because they've done nothing out of their ordinary business as usual for them. They've never stood by the warranty, they've always had reliability and build issues.
The bmw 450 and dr will be too much money, why buy one when you.can get an RE himilayan or better still a cf moto 450 mt for far less ?. Surprised you.didnt mention the cf moto triples as they look pretty interesting.
Cool list. Not sure I'd pull the proverbial trigger on a KTM/Husqvarna right now, considering the recent financial developments, but they do have cool bikes
It’s a tricky one, I don’t think they’ll be going away. If they rationalise their portfolio, maybe dumping MV and GAS GAS and concentrate on KTM and Husky?
@@mancavemoto agree, and yes, that's how I see it evolving as well. I bet they'll divest MV and GG. But still, until the dust settles, I personally wouldn't spend my money on one of their bikes, and I say this as a Husky aficionado
Interesting times ahead.
Less is more, I think is a theme. About time, too.
Ride safe 👍
The BMW 450 prototype bike looks good.
Great Drz400 is back.
@@ruahinesrider depends on the price , misses a gear . So hopefully Suzuki surprises us
Good option for taller guys. Suzuki DR have been around for 20y. Lots of cheaper options in that class
But we don’t know the pricing yet…
True, my point is the DRs or KLR650 are available all over the place, difficult vertical to carve your space unless the offering is exceptional
Well put together without any of the blah, blah, blah.
Excellent video 👍
how did the Voge900 not catch your attention?? the price and equipment it comes with is impossible to ignore
Nobady cares about scam bikes from china
I think Triumph has a winner on their hands with the Tiger 800 Sport, especially with the return of the even firing order engine to this class 😉👍.
Some great bikes coming this year, Yamaha's new Tenere Rally is high on buy list.
@@NBMBC40 I'm really hoping yam makes a t9 in the next year or two. I'd sell whatever I have to buy a t9.
Excellent and well put together vlog Tony! Thanks for the shout out!! Honestly, I hope BMW make the F450GS asap because id love to enter the GS Trophy on one!!
Something for everybody there Tony. The smaller classes are definitely on the up. Thank you👍
Cheers Tony,
Happy New Year to you & all the best for 2025!
Lots of tantalising motorcycles no name a few!
Need a bigger garage & sell off the family.
Not much point in featuring KTM's now! Since you made this RE have announced a 650/750 Himi of sorts. Probably going to be their best bike yet.
Exactly what I thought. Why feature a Husqvarna and a KTM on your 2025 list...?
They still exist, and won’t be going anywhere, so why not?
If their parant company has troble it doeant mean that ktm isnin truble. KTM is here to stay under mobolility ag or some other parant group.
@@mancavemoto They will be going somewhere, that's exactly my point. PMG is going down and with it KTM, Husqvarna, GasGas and quite a few other companies under that same umbrella parent company. Suggesting bikes from this parent company are "bikes of the year" pushes your less educated audience into considering buying products from a dying company, which is pretty shady.
But I wouldn't consider it to be dying. There are financial issues to deal with, but KTM as a brand is the one likely to come out the best. If things were that bad they wouldnt be introducing new models. MV Agusta and Gas Gas I would say could be the brands to go/be sold off from the group. I never suggested any if these are 'bikes of the year' in that sense and to suggest featuring current models available for sale as being 'shady' is a little unfair.
The BMW is stunning. Hope it looks like this. Odd crank set-up. The GB350 is a looker. The Vitpilen will struggle to sell with KTM's woes, although I bet the Indian-built KTM 390 Adventure will sell. Certainly in India. I like the Bear. It looks like my Yamaha SCR950. I also like the DR-Z. I had a DR250SH when I lived in Tokyo.
Very enjoyable video, Tony. Nick
Cheers Nick, Happy New Year!
The 450 BMW and 390 KTM are the most interesting to me in the bunch, having said that the Honda CB1000 Hornet is a lot of bike for the money and looks stunning. Me on the R9 is about as likely as me being Luke Littler at darts. Happy New Year, hope your leg is better and looking forward to your new sponsor content.
Cheers David, hopefully see you soon
Nice one Tony. Thank you and Happy New Year.
Some sound choices across a variety of brands, sure all the bikes featured should do well in what is 2025’s marketplace. Quite looking forwards to the bsa 650 scrambler too, not that I’d consider purchasing but looks the business.. for me, on that list the standouts are the BMW 450 GS which if priced sensibly will fly out of showrooms alongside the KTM 390 ADV..just not sure I could trade down from an 890R (mostly power related 😬😉) for either.. keep these vids coming from time to time they are very well put together and informative Tony 💪👌
Difficulty is just choosin ten lol ! .. the R9 is very attractive 👍
Exactly!
Can’t wait to try the new Suzuki 400’s, be interesting to see how they price them.
The BMW 450gs looks great but as a 310gs owner I would like to see some upgrades to it. Like the tft screen and usb port on the dash. It’s a great bike but the lcd screen makes it look dated. The seat on the 450 doesn’t look as comfortable as the one on the 310. Those hard bench seats seem more enduro than adventure. Great video!
Good summary! Looking getting a second smaller bike and the 400 class is getting really interesting.
Happy new year to you so many beautiful bikes I’d love to own 👌
Riding a lovely 2022 V2S Multi I’m looking forward to test riding the new model, the lighter weight should make superb handling even better and the new engine apparently has more torque from low down and a very punchy top end😀
PS. Nice to see more mid range better vfm choices, like the new Tiger in yellow.
BMW 450 GS. I hope they don't wait too long into the new year to reveal/release this bike and I am really looking forward to testing one
Looking forward to your to man cave moto in the new year .
Really like the look of the BMW 450 and look forward to seeing it in the metal , other bikes I look forward to seeing in 2025 are the new BSA 650 Scrambler, KTM Super Duke GT, KTM RCR, the Moto Morini 1200 XCape and Moto Morini 3-1/2.
Thanks for the video. Just wanted to know your thoughts on Yamaha r7 vs suzuki gsx8r
Very similar bikes, the Suzuki is heavier but has more power. The yamaha is a bit more 'revvy' and you tend to ride more at the top end of the rev range, the Suzuki has more low to mid range torque, so it really depends on how you ride and what you like from an engine
Honda cb1000 sp Hornet, already enquired about this model. As long as it's not too small for me, seat and frame size, it's looking to be a winner..
It's a pipe dream at this point but, I was hoping for the Nighthawk version of the Hornet 750...how about it Honda? Plz?
I just bought a RE Bear 650
best choice ! best looking bike !
I hope the BMW has Cruise control. I'll have one if it does. Thanks for the video
Hi bud,
Hope your well, hope you don't mind me getting in touch, but could do with your help, on a totally off the wall problem.
Sena SRL3.
Having problems with voice commands (ei hello Sena.) myself and I see loads of other cannot get this function to work. Just wondering if it's something you've come across. And with you being a lot more savvy with the stuff than I will ever be, if maybe you know of a solution. Tried Sena not much help. Thanks either way love the channel keep it coming. Stay safe. 👍
I found it a bit 'Hit & Miss' too, until I learnt that you need to say 'Hey Sena' and the command without waiting for a reply. If you say for example "Hey Sena Volume up", "Hey Sena play music" etc. The comms won't respond audibly, but it will carry out the command. works fine now.
Liked the vid well done
Thank you.
For the most part, sensibly priced motors. 1000 Hornet should be a no-brainer.
Also possibly the Voge DS900X
I’m hoping for Honda’s DCT transmission in either the 750 or 1100 class ! Any thoughts ?
The DCT is available in the 1100's with the Africa Twin, NT1100 and CMX1100. I asked about the transalp at launch and Honda said not for at leat two years, maybe never on that bike. Maybe too much overlap with the AT? Obviously the NC750X and X-ADV have it, so its not something that they can't do. But I guess weight and cost are issues?
First video about upcoming bikes I’ve seen that didn’t mention the Ibex 450 or new Himalayan.
It’s a shame Kawasaki didn’t give us enough KLE500 details to throw that bike into the discussion…😢!
heh I'm buying scooter this year, probably Forza 350 or ADV 350, selling my Tracer 900
I owned a 650x and it sucked. Thier 450x was worse. Maybe they got it right this time.
Interesting to see KTM/Husky pushing the troubled 790 engine. Amount of complains I’ve heard first hand is unbelievable. I wanted 790 Adventure but went with BMW F900GS instead few months ago.
Interesting to know how many complaints come from actual owners. No doubt there was a problem but I get the feeling it’s overblown? I’m one of those people that owned and original 790 adventure. It was a 2019 bike which gave 25,0000 miles with no trouble other than a weeping brake master cylinder
@mancavemoto I’ve spoke with 4 owners (Duke 790, 790/890 Adventure) that had issues with cam shafts & some minor issues. One resolved the issue by him self, one sold the bike broken, and two had dealer repairs, however they paid for some work. Interestingly enough guy that repaired by him self says he is very satisfied with the bike and won’t change, others were not so happy. One guy didn’t have any issue but he is at 8000 kms at the time we spoke. I tried to do my research before buying, there are some people online that claim large mileage with no intervention. But I was not willing to risk, even tho, 790 Adventure was the bike I wanted the most as price/value ratio was very good. F 900 GS had an somewhat reliable engine from 900XR, and local dealer has good reputation.
Thanks for the video Tony. It hit on two bikes I'm considering, the V2 Multistrada or the Tiger 800. I'm getting a bit worried about the Chinese invasion though, with the 900 Voge for example coming at around half the price of a specked up Multistrada. Do you there could be a resetting of prices to come on European bikes?
Perhaps, but it’s more likely the Chinese bikes prices will slowly rise as the quality improves and or the front run them a bit less
Bikes from china are competition to japaneese bikes. Both are ment for endurece reliability tooned down bikes that will work for ever so people can bring both wives, ten kids and a pig to the market place. Europian bikes are performance oriented
I don't get it why BMW choses a 19" front wheel for the upcoming 450, for a bike that is clearly dirt oriented. Well, at least that's how they market it themselves! ;-)
I'd pop the CF MOTO 450NK in there somewhere.
None of these bikes are practical or versatile. Would I want to take them on the highway with a passenger? How about on a long tour? Definitely some great styling on a few, but don't see qualities that make any an everyday ride. There's too much focus on one style of riding on a specific terrain. I'd pick the Honda GB350 as the most enticing. It's size seems like a more exciting and comfortable proposition than a Rebel if you are small enough. Looks small in the video. Thanks for putting the list together. I would love to see bikes that are innovative or bucking the fads and going about things their own way. Offering something that few others offer.
Multistrada? Tiger Sport 800?
@@mancavemoto @mancavemoto @mancavemoto I just had my TFT display fail on my '21 Africa Twin. It's a known issue and Honda is extending their warranty on this part to 10 years. Mine was recently replaced by the dealer. If anyone can build a display that will last that long, I would think it would be Honda, but, unfortunately they are not immune to poor quality control, especially since they farm out manufacturing to different companies. What do you think will happen if you trust your electronics to Ducati and you head out on a multi-day trip? I'd put my money on the Triumph between the two, but, really, I'm looking at lower tech and not more riding modes. How about just traction control and ABS (both defeatable), cruise control, good adjustable and comfy ergos for rider and passenger and call it good?
Sadly, I don't think many will risk their money on a new KTM or Husky because of the uncertainty and quality issues.
The Indian-built 390 will be okay. I have had a 390 Duke for four years with no issues.
Ktm.makes the best bikes on the market. Nothing can compare with it. Snall displacement bikes are vwry reliable. Once this crysis is ower , ktm will enhence reliability and it allready did, there will be no reason to buy anything else
I think you're right, but it's weird because they've done nothing out of their ordinary business as usual for them. They've never stood by the warranty, they've always had reliability and build issues.
Kle 500
I don’t know why but I like the bmw 450
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The bmw 450 and dr will be too much money, why buy one when you.can get an RE himilayan or better still a cf moto 450 mt for far less ?. Surprised you.didnt mention the cf moto triples as they look pretty interesting.
They do, but too many bikes not enough time 😂 hopefully I’ll get to test them soon
They do, but too many bikes not enough time 😂 hopefully I’ll get to test them soon
Nice bikes but I would definitely go for one of the Chinese bikes that are very close in quality and a third of the price or more cheaper ..
say it with me:
🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹 DOO GAHDI🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
It's pretty hard to recommend a ktm to anyone these days
Cool list. Not sure I'd pull the proverbial trigger on a KTM/Husqvarna right now, considering the recent financial developments, but they do have cool bikes
It’s a tricky one, I don’t think they’ll be going away. If they rationalise their portfolio, maybe dumping MV and GAS GAS and concentrate on KTM and Husky?
@@mancavemoto agree, and yes, that's how I see it evolving as well. I bet they'll divest MV and GG. But still, until the dust settles, I personally wouldn't spend my money on one of their bikes, and I say this as a Husky aficionado
Husky should put proper Husky motors in the bikes,instead of them crappy Ktm motors,that you need to service every hour.....
Becouse they are like race engens.
3cylinder sound rubbish. inline4 is the way to go
It’s a shame Kawasaki didn’t give us enough KLE500 details to throw that bike into the discussion…😢!