I'm enjoying your programmes- you put across more in 18 minutes than some do in an hour or more. No frills, no gushing tributes from 'friends', just the facts, and some unique insights. Many thanks.
Your remarks at the end of the video are spot on. People and relationships are complex and can be contradicting. Whatever the exact truth is, I have a lot of sympathy for Christina and Christopher, who definitely suffered a lack of love and sincerity, no matter what Joan's friends say.
Growing up in a home that was totally different from what others saw, I believe Christina's story. You never know what happens behind closed doors. I call it "The lawn sure looks nice" syndrome.
Gordon Hall Agreed. I find that the people who very strongly defend Christina and condemn Joan are often victims of abuse themselves. And it makes sense that an abuse victim would tend to support someone like Christina, who claims to be a victim. But it also makes it almost impossible for them to even consider that Christina might have lied. I guess I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't doubt that Joan was abusive, at least by today's standards. I think that Joan, like pretty much every other movie star of her day, was a narcissist. Honestly, I wouldn't want her for a mother. But I don't believe everything Christina claimed. For one thing, some of her claims have already been proven untrue. Also, the way she writes just feels dishonest and manipulative to me. So I guess I believe Joan was a driven, narcissistic diva who could be cruel and Christina is a narcissistic diva who lies for attention/money but did have a shitty childhood for the most part thanks to her mother
@@carowells1607 To believe Christina has lied to gain "money" &/or "attention primarily based on how you "feel" about her writing style is a ridiculous basis for Christina's claims to be dismissed as you do when you say: "The way she writes just feels dishonest and manipulative to me"! You are ignoring the many accounts of Joan's extremely abusive behaviour towards her children, particularly the two eldest, provided - and this is critical - by fellow actors, film executives and others in the industry, numerous industry 'insiders' including crew on set, employees of Joan and many other adults - to name but a few - who are credible witnesses and who came forward with allegations of abuse (by Joan) well before Christina ever did. And you claim Christina has been proven to have lied but provide no sources to substantiate this claim of yours. Please look into the actual accounts - by adults, independently of Christina - of Joan's abusive 'parenting style' before you again claim Christina's exaggerating her "shitty childhood" by lying, in order to gain money and attention. Having a narcissistic mother will typically ensure the abused child grows up to be a 'people-pleaser', and if the one abused is female they are far more commonly empathic individuals, not narcissists like their mothers. There's no evidence Christina has become a narcissist like Joan Crawford was. On the contrary, only subjective 'assessments' like those you made about her writing style - which, to you, "feels dishonest and manipulative" - are used to point to Christina being a lying narcissist. Are you a literary expert who has somehow a proven way of analysing writing style to determine the veracity of the writer's subject matter? Such analysis is fraught with difficulties and has no legitimate claim to determining a writer's credibility. Critically, do you have any experience as a psychoanalytic psychotherapist or in the field of working with survivors of (childhood) abuse, including narcissistic abuse? Unless you do - indeed unless you are a trained, accredited and experienced psychologist with particular experience and expertise dealing with both the victims of narcissistic abuse(rs) and of other types of abusive by parents, your assessment of Christina - her claims of abuse by Joan, and her motivations for continuing to draw attention to it and to abuse by parents - has no credibility. There's indeed merely you falling back to your personal feelings about her style of writing being supposedly "dishonest and manipulative." That is no legitimate basis for your dismissing Christina's credibility as you have.
ehridawg I think that was the episode where Joan is blind and pays to have Tom Bosley give up his eyesight so she can see for 8 hrs, then there's a city black out so she's in the dark till the sun comes up where upon she once again loses her sight. Something to that effect. It's irony was brilliant.
My top favorite actress! Versatile and perfect timing/delivery! This woman had an extremely difficult life. Some respond by staying a victim, some get tough, some learn and turn their life around, and some just give up. No one knows how they will respond to tragedy.
@@js2702 exactly in accord with Heather....you have no idea what went on with Joan and Christina. Cathy and Cindy had nothing but praise for Joan. I suspect greed and jealousy on Christina's part.
Shame on Hollywood...for wanting to hold onto secrets ( they knew ) christina was a pioneer...a strong brave woman...god bless her for the positive impact she made
Christina was a disgruntled spoiled brat. Joan had done enough for her during her life. Note that Christina's book didn't come out until after Joan's death. Joan couldn't possibly defend those lies told by her nasty daughter.
Mikyla Smith.... if Christina Crawford was such a pioneer, why did she not have Mommie Dearest published while Joan was still alive??? Some pioneering!!!! It all comes back to haunt Christina for being greedy, jealous and resentful!!! What in hell was Christina thinking, and what was her problem??? I think she became the epitome of the spoiled brat who Joan did not want her to become. Christina Crawford certainly did not make a POSITIVE impact!!
Mr. Skinner, thank you so much for this great UPLOAD s! Your very good Research is impressing and a joy to watch!!!! Many loving greetings to you from Berlin👑🔝😆
I enjoyed this. The rare photos of her and how you shared more about her than what the world knew of her...I've always wondered what Christopher and christina did in joans eyes to warrant leaving them nothing
You can't deny that Joan was a great actress. Movies like Mildred Pierce and Whatever happened to Baby Jane are classics. It's just to bad she couldn't act like a kind human being to her own kids. Those poor kids were stolen from loving parents and given to someone with money who only used them as tools. This is proof that money doesn't buy happiness.
Hi, Jerry. Joan Crawford was truly a very classy lady, just like Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, and Kim Novak. What do you love about filming videos? Have a good day, Jerry.
Excessive drinking and smoking can destroy the collagen that supports healthy skin. By the 1950s, she became harder and harder looking with age, becoming almost masculine in her looks. She just didn't have an "eye" for what would work for her, but compared to Bette Davis, who looked really ancient by her fifties, Crawford looked pretty good for the times.
bach baroque Crawford’s Mother was a very pretty woman too. In order to get those high cheek bones for the cameras she either had to get cheek implants or have 6 of her back molars removed. I’m sure she underwent some kind of plastic surgery & beauty treatments/creams daily and weekly. They pay thousands of dollars today to keep from aging.
I'm new to your page and I must say is a huge Crawford and Davis fan I absolutely appreciated and loved your biography like Crawford it was done with class and taste thank you for a wonderful film and now I'm going to look to see what others you have you have a new fan
Gee. Thanks. I never knew that you fucking moron. They first chose "Joan Arden", but it was already in use. You can sit back in the corner, but sport your dunce cap.
I checked out most of the comments to see if what I'm about to say struck other people the same way as it did me, but I didn't see any. Why would a person "adopt" (I watched your video on the TN "adoptions") or buy children if she didn't want to be a mother? I loved (still do) being a mother and it was hard enough putting them on the bus for the first day of school. I just don't understand her motives. She does sound like a troubled woman. The movie that stood out for me was "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane." I remember hearing that those two didn't like each other, but I didn't know it was that bad. Thank you, Mr. Skinner, for an honest, non-biased bio on Joan Crawford.
Many people adopt, in this case buy, children just like they would jewelry. Because of the want to posess not the want to change someone's life for the better. She couldn't keep a man, either. Says alot.
Shame on this woman for living her life the way she did as far as her relationships with her family were. Also, what she did to bette Davis. She was a wonderful actress and whether or not her intentions were pure, she did a lot for many people. May god forgive her for the abuse she inflicted on her children
Bette Davis, since you're on this topic, was far worse than Crawford. It was Davis who persecuted Crawford. Look up "B.D. Davis" (Bette's daughter who wrote a biography of her mother), if you won't take my word for it.
Bette Davis i loved her as an actress but she was a mean sob and she was far meaner to Crawford during filming for What Ever Happened to Baby Jane when she hitting her in thebedroom scene she was actually really hitting and kicking her
Had Christina and Christopher remained in Georgia Tan's well respected Orphanage (by the State of Tennessee), they may not have lived the later life they knew for all those many years. It is well known that Joan Crawford helped out many of her friends and former husbands (including large monetary gifts to the Woodland Hills Motion Picture Retirement Home) including Franchot Tone. The book "Mommie Dearest" (and later movie rights) made a great deal of money for Christian Crawford from which she still profits from to this day.
Funny why Christina and Chris never tried to get in touch with their biological parents? Why did they continue to use the fake name Crawford? It was a made up studio name to begin with anyway. Joan Crawford was a single mother for most of that time. It was easy to run away & start over in that situation. At least they received an education and attended expensive boarding schools. Many abused kids have it much worse.
Beautiful and mesmerizing on picture yet difficult and misunderstood. This, ladies and gentlemen, is the classic example of what fame does to people. Always trying your hardest to be the perfect person with the perfect family for the public when all that is just causing more pain physically and mentally. Hell, you can still see this today with our current pop actors. Then again can you really blame them? Show business have always been a ruthless industry and it will bring either the best or worst out of you. Guess in Crawford’s case it was distortedly both.
Chris Gaga....there is a lot of truth in what you commented.... My question is: why did Christina simply not have Mommie Dearest published while Joan was still alive??? That would have eradicated so much speculation about greed, jealousy and resentment. I cannot consider Christina Crawford's points of view as valid.
I enjoy watching your videos. Thank you for your work. Would it be possible for you to make videos of the lives of Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, and Dorothy Lamour?
@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 Says the Word of GOD! Clearly you don't read the Bible. The fact that you can't read or understand it proves you're a devil.
the casting for Olivia on feud was amazing Catharine looks exteamly like her in that photo same with Susan not so much Jessica but she nailed the mannerisms.
It isn't just stars. I will never forget sleeping over a friends house, a friend I thought was normal, and her mom had a non wire hangers moment in front of me. I considered sneaking out that night... but waited for my mom. When My mom appeared I literally ran out of there like a hostage.
Very interesting,I never seen many of her films,she sure was beautiful when younger. It’s sad to see people get old and unattractive, and lose their competitive edge . But when you haven’t got your loved ones beside you! Because of your lifestyles you’ve chosen . I’m sure it’s twice as bad at the end of your life ! It all comes back for revenge against you soul . Very well presented but very sad and tragic ending Thanks Jerry 🙏👏👏
Publicly she was eloquent, classy, articulate and graceful. Her eye contact with whomever she was speaking was intense. Watching her old interviews leaves one longing for those kinds of days where people carried themselves with poised pride.
Ahh although much scandals occurred during Hollywood's golden age the people were so publicly poised and graceful beautiful that in some ways you see them only as they are on the silver screen where as today people will never again have such dignity class .grace and beauty Hollywood today is a sewage plant
Buying children back then was common for people in the movie business or very wealthy. Mr Steele, it was said by Christina, was very kind to her and her brother. Mr Steele gave Christina a baby doll she had long wanted. Joan took the toys Mr Steele gave them for Christmas and gave them away and that’s when the kids were shipped to the school. Christina said Joan was jealous of her and her brother. She didn’t want him to get to close to them. That was in the book mommie dearest by Christina. Christina had allot of behavior problems as a young woman. Joe Esposito told a story about him inviting Christina to Elvis house one night. Christina objected to Joe lightning Elvis cigars for him. Not that Elvis couldn’t do it himself but Elvis put the cigar in his mouth and asked Joe if he had a lighter. So Joe reached to light the cigar for Elvis just doing it like a joke. Christina reached up and grabbed the cigar out if Elvis mouth. She did that twice. Joe told her don’t do that the first time, when she did it again, Elvis got mad and ordered her out of his house never to return. That was in Hollywood hills where Elvis lived. Joe said Elvis was really mad. Elvis didn’t allow a woman to speak or behave the way Christina did towards a man. She really had no business jerking the cigar out of Elvis mouth and she was never allowed back. Joe said the most irritated at a woman he ever saw Elvis was at Christina. Lol
@@gracieg7601 I read that Christina annoyed Shirley Temple as well. Apparently when Miss Temple was giving Crawford a tour of her closets, Christina mistook the costumes for clothes. Shirley Temple bought many of her costumes from her studio to keep as a souvenir and she was annoyed that Christina kept pawing them.
I heard from a relative of hers that her step father sexually abused her and her birth mother physically and emotionally abused her. That was the source of her dysfunction and in the words of her relative "the whole family was really fucked up...pretending to be ok but really were not healthy emotionally". It's to her testament as an actress that she was able to create so many adoring fans who never really knew her
That would explain her deeply troubled soul. The pain from being that hurt as a young child messes you up like nothing else. Another great video, I love the comment section.
It's virtually ALL of Hollywood. Your favorites, so get ready to deal with it. It's all coming out. It's all celebs...made a deal with the real devil. Music, politics, anyone that's a rich celebrity in any way, at least most of them Another thing they do is sxual inversion. See The Shills Have Lies channel. I have a feeling there's going to be enormous bonfires of movies and "music."
As a abused child let me tell you my mother was a street angel house devil functioning alcoholic sociopath narcissist...she only abused us girls and had a favorite son...Joan reminds me of her and i believe Christiana...
Yes..my mother was her age, a Lucille Ball look alike and...a Dr. Jeckle Mr. Hyde. She was charming and elegant in public....at home, I was the scapegoat for my younger brother. It was rough!!! I eventually left for a modeling career in NYC in the late 60's...the verbal abuse never stopped. Such a strange generation. But I love her dearly....This year she's 110.
I was right there up to “I loved her dearly.” My mom died in 2018. I’ve never been so relieved. Not happy, but relieved- the B flick zombie that kept getting up and pursuing me no matter where I fled, finally stayed down
Yes i'm skepticle of tell all stories wben people are dead any itelligent person knows there are always more than one side to a story only gossips rumour mongers and rabble rousers side only one side
Unfortunately, Crawford isn't the only person in recent times to have been crazy in private but publicly a star. If the truth were known, there are plenty of stars just like this right now.
Paul Simmons just Nicole Kidman. She stood there laughing as the kids were tortured and molested by her father and the cult he was in. Look it up in TH-cam!
Ming The Merciless what about the bitch Marlene Dietrich? She told her daughter to basically get over it,after finding out the female nanny raped her!...don’t believe ? Look it up! Oh here you go, here is the story cos I know you won’t look it up. It’s even in one of the documentaries on here...I am not gonna do your homework again. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581864/Cruel-Marlene-lesbian-nanny-raped-daughter-grandson-claims-cold-emotionally-detached.html
Child abuse isn't really about the child or the child's behavior. It's actually about the abuser and their negative feelings toward themselves or the people who mistreated them (most often a parent). Children are easy targets because they can't fight back.
@3rrlia Of course she was a full blown narcissist! Lol! You've got to be that and a lot of other things as well if you are trying to make a living as an actor/actress. You really do sell your sole to the devil in the entertainment industry.
I absolutely love your narration! Your voice is soothing and you are most well informed and fair and balanced in your representation of these amazing but sometimes difficult movie stars. Much thanks to you for doing this and keep on!
3AM in Texas. I cant sleep and LOOKIE THERE!Mr Jerry dropped by with another great story. I really enjoy these........ Putting on a pot of coffee and going to visit with Jerry & Joan awhile ! Thanks JS! Great stuff buddy :) Herb
@@georgiesinclair6951 i disagree, we know what Jesus says about hurting the children. But why would you come out with a comment as ugly as you did? I rarely read ugly comments on TH-cam, that's why I left Facebook, rude uncivil people.
@@spookygirl7761 I wish every evil person gets exactly, what they deserve. Some of us believe hell is a good place for the evil to go, (so I won't have to get revenge on them.) I leave it for God to take care of. I wish that God would imprison all evil doers in hell.(He will) I think God's okay with what I think about hell, and the sinners that won't repent.. Please God give them what they deserve.
Sounds like Joan Crawford suffered with a serious personality disorder. Cluster B. Narcissistic, histrionic, (dramatic and attention seeking), anti -social with borderline traits. Sad. Back then it was very hard to understand and easy to cover up, especially when you’re Hollywood’s leading lady. Just unable to love.
She was so beautiful in the beginning of her career. Changing her eyebrows to overly thick & dark changed her face in an unflattering way, making her look older & harsh. On another note, « Mildred Pierce » was her best performance. Incredible movie.
Just had the thought that the thick dark eyebrows that are in fashion with teenagers and 20 somethings now are Crawford eyebrows! Maybe if they saw Joan Crawford's later films they would think again.......😄
I actually think her thicker eyebrows are an enormously striking feature. Brooke Shields has similar eyebrows. In Joan's case, in particular, a thicker eyebrow was needed to frame those huge blue eyes.
@@joshnosher3536 Thank you! I don’t know why anyone would say that “changing” one’s eyebrows would make them look older and harsh. That’s rubbish. They weren’t “changed” at all, just not plucked - they were wonderfully natural.
💎🕊️✌️🖖🫂 Mrs. Lucille Fay LeSueur Fairbanks ... AKA "Miss Joan Arden Crawford" ... Had Looked As Her MAMMA Did ... AT FIRST ... UNTIL HER DADDY'S FEATURES HAD TAKEN OVER HER EXTERIOR APPEARANCE; 🧬 It's ALL About OUR Dominant AND Recessive Genetics, From WITHIN Our OWN Bodies .... 🤓 🌟
Great video!! I love watching 1930's-40's films featuring Joan Crawford. She absolutely crackles with electricity and steals every scene. Amazingly beautiful. Thank you.
I love how people respond to abuse years after it happens ..... “oh get over it that was years ago “. And “You can’t live in the last “. It is a true crime when these monsters affect a kids childhood. Whether you know it or not the damage has been done and it is quite real for a lifetime.
Then we carry that damage with us as it weighs us down like where carrying it in a back pack. We're lucky we live in a time where we can start to shed those traumas through therapy, 12 step programs and many other ways. All of these people jumping in and trying to defend her narcissistic abuse are flying monkeys.
The wire hangers came from the local laundry which Joan sent her laundry to. Her children were taught to take the wire hangers out of their freshly laundered clothes and replace them with padded hangers but apparently Christina forgot to do this one time and the result was this..."NO WIRE HANGERS...EVER!"
Granny Omaha...you are so right ...Only a child who live with a narcissistic parent..who let her favorit sociopathic daughter cause strife within the whole family until she died..pure bliss when her favorit died
I think all parents secretly have their 'favorite'. Doesn't necessarily mean they love their other children any less, they just either see themselves or another loved one a lot in them or they gave them little trouble growing up. It's a fascinating phenomenon.
Many commenters seem to think she should have "taken care" of her brother; that it was sad he ended up working at a hotel. Why? He wasn't unable to earn a living. He had his own life to live. Why should Joan have given him any money? Who knows - maybe she did, and he blew it. For that matter, she had a perfect right to leave most of her money to charity too. It was hers to dispose as she wished.
Some of Joan's Hollywood visitor friends did witness some of her abuse of Christina and Christopher. Actress Natalie Schaeffer saw Joan force Christopher to eat an entire box of bonbon chocolates, as punishment for having eaten a second bonbon. Eve Arden (herself an adoptive mother of two) opined that Joan ought never have tried to be a mother. Another guest (perhaps June Allyson) saw Joan make Christina, all dressed up for a childhood friend's birthday party, sit alone on a chair in Joan's hallway the entire duration of the party, missing it all. (Shades of the headmaster cruelty to charity pupils in the film Jane Eyre).
@@margaretross9150Helen Hayes thought Joan was too strict of a parent but she never witnessed any outright abuse. For instance she wrote of throwing Christopher a surprise birthday party and Joan being upset about it. Hayes though never elaborated more about the incident. She never described Joan's body language or what words were said.
| believe Christina Crawford's recollection of her abusive childhood. Many siblings in families have different memories of their childhood especially when there is an age gap. If Christina republishes an updated version of Mommie Dearest why not even if it is for financial gain it does not change the truth. Grandchildren cannot say what their grandparents were like as parents. i say shame on anyone who knew what went on.
teresa harris, you are correct. I wish I didn't live a similar experience but I did. My younger sisters are much younger and have a different viewpoint, but it does not change what was done to me. I had an abusive mother and stepfather who treated me like dirt, and I don't care what their excuses for their behavior are. Unlike Joan Crawford, they were not alcoholics, narcissistic most likely, but they knew that if anyone ever found out the truth they would be in legal trouble. There is no way the twins would know what Christina and Christopher experienced before they were in the picture or when they weren't present and the grandchildren would know even less.
Joan Crawford was already a well known Star in Hollywood when Bette Davis arrived a struggling Actress. Joan Crawford donated a great deal of money over the years to the Woodland Hills Motion Picture Retirement Home and remain helpful to Franchot Tone until his death. She kept this secret over the years never wanting the publicity for the massive amount of charity work she did for other Actors in Hollywood.
One of the favorite things narcissists love to do is hide behind a veneer of decency and an image in general. They all do it so that when the rumors and gossip start to spread about them people will say but they did this and they did that so they can't be bad people. Study up on narcissists and sociopaths because their at least 10% of the population. You know one narcissist you know them all because they all behave in a similar manner.
Joan Crawford had a rough time, but she worked to get out of the life she had known in her younger years. An amazing actress with an even more amazing career!
Joan Crawford was never a "screaming mad woman", except for the role she played in certain movies. She is the most misunderstood Actress from the Golden Age of Hollywood. Many other Hollywood children have written similar exploitation books, but none as successful as such writing had become "Old Hat". The children of Judy Garland could have written such a book, but none did as they respected their parent, as was not the case with the 2 adopted children of Joan Crawford. The other 2 children always praised their mother and denied what was written in "Mommie Dearest".
Miriam Hopkins was the first (or one of the first) major Actresses in Hollywood to successfully adopt a child while still a single parent. She adopted a son, Michael Hopkins who went on to a successful career in the United States Air Force and is buried in Riverside, California at the National Cemetery. That one turned out a very good and loving relationship with Michael always having good things to say about his mother and his life with her. Much of what her son Michael said about his life was outlined in the recently published Biography titled Miriam Hopkins: Hollywood Rebel.
Excellent and personally, I have read everything ever written on her by her and her children, seen interviews etc and I believe Christina. Some don't. I do. Call it gut .
As far as Christina goes she had recanted and admitted she was jealous of mommie dearest and her carrer and she may have "exagerated about her behaviour" especially since the other siblings don't remember those incidents happening
@@mikefarrell734 that is not true. Christopher said is was true and the twins (who weren’t really twins I’ve read somewhere) wouldn’t say a bad word about Joan because they enherited from her. Tough one of them sold the Oscar statue and I dare say thAt doesn’t show much respect, does it???!!!!
I've seen other Jerry tributes and I love it when he- actually I love it when anybody- is unintentionally funny. The mix of glamorous topic and hayseed voice is a treat.
Right. The comparison is not entirely accurate, but he has a gentle, pleasing Southern drawl that is quite appealing and intriguing for all. I'm from Louisiana and have a Southern drawl as well, so I've been told. We're proud of our heritage!
Joan Crawford aged so strangely. She was a beautiful young woman and by her late 40's, you would not have known it was the same woman, her looks changed so much. It's not that she wasn't still attractive, she just looked like a completely different woman. If you look at most people who have aged in front of you, you can still see the young person that they were. Not so with Joan.
She was constantly "reinventing" herself throughout the years. She didn't get her trademark "Crawford look" (huge eyebrows, shoulder pads, etc.) until the late 30's and 40's.
I agree, always thought she aged oddly. Her looks became much harder. The huge eyebrows and heavy lipstick with short cropped hair didn't help. By the 50s her look was almost frightening, appearing nothing like the youthful beauty she once was. By the late 60s I thought she started looking better, older yes, but she was softening her look a bit. There no doubt her looks went through many changes during her life.
YaYa Says like some people with puppies...they don’t want them as they get older. Joan did it to look good and cos she was lonely. She didn’t know how to love children
Christina and Christopher fared much better with their adopted mother than would have been the case had they remained at the notorious Orphanage in Tennessee, run by Georgia Tan.
A thoughtful fair assessment of Joan Crawfords life. I found the Mommie dearest movie very distressing, it brought back too many horrible memories for me. The haircut scene showing crazy Joan with scissors really scared me, Christina has said it took many years for her to get over the fear and trauma.
How come everyone forgets how completely jealous Christina was and wanted to be a super famous actress also...?!!? Joan even tried to facilitate an acting career for Christina... But that is not how things work in life. Of course!
Christian also said the movie was completely off. Interesting how people pick & choose what is convenient or entertaining to believe. I'm personally happy I'm not so gullible .
No, Christina was never a big star like her mother. She was probably thinking in what other ways she could get notoriety and dough. Then the horrendous book was a thought. With the support of Christopher she continued with the slanderous mostly exaggerated book. It all comes down to Christina's greed and jealousy. Before Joan died, Joan caught word or had a premonition that Christina was up to something. That is probably why Joan disinherited Christina and Christopher. Cathy and Cindy never had a bad word for Joan, and they were not disinherited. Granted Joan was probably more strict than most Hollywood parents, but she wanted those kids to amount to something and be self-sufficient!!! Not like the namby-pamby spoiled brats that the Hollywood children were becoming.
"Mommie Dearest" was the first exploitation book written. The book was turned down 3 or 4 times before it contained enough sensational stories to make it financially successful enough for publication. Christina Crawford became a Millionaire after the movie and book The later exploitation books fy the children of major Hollywood Stars were not very successful as they had become "Old Hat".. After the publication, many similar exploitation books would be written including Bette Davis, Bing Crosby and most recently Shirley MacLaine.
actors and actresses are people not perfect, we all know alot of people with strange behaviour etc. just because they are famous but these early stars were poverty stricken and basically illiterate. Its hard to understand behaviour but what we see is a facade.
Joan crawford was a great actress and she loved the fans l have many pbotos of her when you watch her in the movie grand hotel 1932 ) that scene with john barrymore was so sexual that no actress today could match that today and that movies she did with clark gable were very sexual and it was the real thing my favorate actress of all time great video
I tend to believe her daughter because I KNOW how abusive and vile alcoholics can be. Joan LOOKS wicked(in my opinion)...and we already know how she held grudges. That being said, may she RIP.
Valerie Griner....one can look evil and not be evil. There is a big difference. If anyone was truly evil, it was Christina. Why did Christina simply not have Mommie Dearest published while Joan was still alive?? That certainly would have taken the speculation off of Christina being greedy, jealous and resentful!!
Okay, I've read the book and seen the movie, that said, I think I need I to set a few things straight. 1. Joan couldn't adopt legally because she was single. At the time JC adopted the Christophers and later Christina and the twins, Social services wasn't what we know it to be now.. Most adoptions were done through agencies and children were only given to rich families. This is the reason why Joan turned to black market adoption through Georgia Tann. 2. As for Christina, I do think there are some truth in her claims. I mean, why would she lie about the abuse she suffered? I'm sure to even write about that was painful for her as was the film. Real abuse victims tell a consistent story and her brother Christopher backed up her story. Why would either lie about it?
Robin Neher exactly. Why on earth would Cristina go through all his trouble if she had had a happy childhood with her « mother »? But the people who don’t believe Cristina are those who think that since Joan was a great actress, she couldn’t possibly be a cruel mother. Nothing to do with the 2 unfortunately.
It should also be noted that the book "Mommie Dearest" helped bring child abuse to world-wide attention and many people stated that they had similar experiences.
Some people (narcissists)...are not cut out for motherhood. I feel very sorry for her 4 children. It's weird how she named two of her children..CHRIST-ina and CHRIST-opher.
Jerry - I love your videos. They all seem "fair & balanced" in an effort to present the truth, as best we know. I also love your voice. It sounds familiar but I can't place it.
I think that Joan's literal buying of her children from the notorious criminal Georgia Tann is highly indication of Joan's personality failures. Joan did attempt legitimate adoption but was refused for several reasons.....she was single, a divorcee AND personality tests revealed that Joan LACK the qualities that a good parent should possess. This is a very telling thing about Joan's complex personality makeup. In videos of the twin girls (grown at the time), it is very apparent that they are both NOT telling the truth when asked about the emotional out bursts that Joan was given to in the home setting. The twins were provided for in Joan's will and life for the twins at the hands of Joan was much better than for Christina and Chris. These are probably the reasons they withheld the truth regarding the treatment of the older children. Wherever the truth lies, one thing is evident.....Joan had guts and drive to accomplish what she did considering what her beginnings were.
Uriah Peep Her I bringing was so abuse I’ve abd that brought in the mental illness I read that her father left so she and her mom lived in the back of a dry cleaner doing the clothes. Hence-no wire hangers to remind her of the abuse she was raped at 11 People dint want to admit or deal with mental illness It is real
Interesting that the two girls are referred to as twins. They actually were not even related. Joan wanted twins, Georgia Tann provided two girls who resembled each other closely. Basically,, to Tann, children were a product to be sold
Uninformed IDIOTS!! They WERE twins. They proved it in court. And until after Georgia Tann died everybody, Joan included, thought she ran a reputable adoption agency. How DARE you try and lay that at Joan's door! There's a little thing called the truth and it's our there. Why don't you find it instead of spouting your bull💩 on this thread!
Joan Crawford took a personality test and was found unfit to be a parent??? I highly doubt that but I wouldn't know that after reading your comment. Shame again!!
I'm enjoying your programmes- you put across more in 18 minutes than some do in an hour or more. No frills, no gushing tributes from 'friends', just the facts, and some unique insights. Many thanks.
Your remarks at the end of the video are spot on. People and relationships are complex and can be contradicting. Whatever the exact truth is, I have a lot of sympathy for Christina and Christopher, who definitely suffered a lack of love and sincerity, no matter what Joan's friends say.
Nonsense, it's the usual Mommie Dearest crap that was not only unsubstantiated but completely refuted by the twins.
Growing up in a home that was totally different from what others saw, I believe Christina's story. You never know what happens behind closed doors. I call it "The lawn sure looks nice" syndrome.
Thank you and i agree. Jerry
No you don't. But if you let your mind run naturally to the negative place then one comes out feeling just as you do.
Gordon Hall
Agreed. I find that the people who very strongly defend Christina and condemn Joan are often victims of abuse themselves. And it makes sense that an abuse victim would tend to support someone like Christina, who claims to be a victim. But it also makes it almost impossible for them to even consider that Christina might have lied.
I guess I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't doubt that Joan was abusive, at least by today's standards. I think that Joan, like pretty much every other movie star of her day, was a narcissist. Honestly, I wouldn't want her for a mother. But I don't believe everything Christina claimed. For one thing, some of her claims have already been proven untrue. Also, the way she writes just feels dishonest and manipulative to me. So I guess I believe Joan was a driven, narcissistic diva who could be cruel and Christina is a narcissistic diva who lies for attention/money but did have a shitty childhood for the most part thanks to her mother
Christopher supported Christina and also briefly talked about his own abuse: www.joancrawfordbest.com/latimes78oct29.htm
@@carowells1607 To believe Christina has lied to gain "money" &/or "attention primarily based on how you "feel" about her writing style is a ridiculous basis for Christina's claims to be dismissed as you do when you say: "The way she writes just feels dishonest and manipulative to me"! You are ignoring the many accounts of Joan's extremely abusive behaviour towards her children, particularly the two eldest, provided - and this is critical - by fellow actors, film executives and others in the industry, numerous industry 'insiders' including crew on set, employees of Joan and many other adults - to name but a few - who are credible witnesses and who came forward with allegations of abuse (by Joan) well before Christina ever did.
And you claim Christina has been proven to have lied but provide no sources to substantiate this claim of yours. Please look into the actual accounts - by adults, independently of Christina - of Joan's abusive 'parenting style' before you again claim Christina's exaggerating her "shitty childhood" by lying, in order to gain money and attention.
Having a narcissistic mother will typically ensure the abused child grows up to be a 'people-pleaser', and if the one abused is female they are far more commonly empathic individuals, not narcissists like their mothers. There's no evidence Christina has become a narcissist like Joan Crawford was. On the contrary, only subjective 'assessments' like those you made about her writing style - which, to you, "feels dishonest and manipulative" - are used to point to Christina being a lying narcissist.
Are you a literary expert who has somehow a proven way of analysing writing style to determine the veracity of the writer's subject matter? Such analysis is fraught with difficulties and has no legitimate claim to determining a writer's credibility.
Critically, do you have any experience as a psychoanalytic psychotherapist or in the field of working with survivors of (childhood) abuse, including narcissistic abuse? Unless you do - indeed unless you are a trained, accredited and experienced psychologist with particular experience and expertise dealing with both the victims of narcissistic abuse(rs) and of other types of abusive by parents, your assessment of Christina - her claims of abuse by Joan, and her motivations for continuing to draw attention to it and to abuse by parents - has no credibility. There's indeed merely you falling back to your personal feelings about her style of writing being supposedly "dishonest and manipulative." That is no legitimate basis for your dismissing Christina's credibility as you have.
One of Steven Speilbergs first directing gigs in Hollywood was a Night Gallery episode with Crawford in it.
ehridawg I think that was the episode where Joan is blind and pays to have Tom Bosley give up his eyesight so she can see for 8 hrs, then there's a city black out so she's in the dark till the sun comes up where upon she once again loses her sight. Something to that effect. It's irony was brilliant.
I just watched the episode yesterday morning on comet tv...she was good in the role.
Jerry, I could listen to you all day. So interesting and knowledgeable. Thank you
Great vid. like ur easy style & the back story U provide. Lots of info here. Keep up the Good work. 🌟
My top favorite actress! Versatile and perfect timing/delivery!
This woman had an extremely difficult life. Some respond by staying a victim, some get tough, some learn and turn their life around, and some just give up. No one knows how they will respond to tragedy.
No excuse. She didn't do the right thing. She has to answer for that.
@@js2702 you have no idea what she did 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@js2702 exactly in accord with Heather....you have no idea what went on with Joan and Christina. Cathy and Cindy had nothing but praise for Joan. I suspect greed and jealousy on Christina's part.
GRRRREAT video, Jerry. Thank you for all the work.
Another excellent video. Thanks for posting
Shame on Hollywood...for wanting to hold onto secrets ( they knew ) christina was a pioneer...a strong brave woman...god bless her for the positive impact she made
Christina was a disgruntled spoiled brat. Joan had done enough for her during her life. Note that Christina's book didn't come out until after Joan's death. Joan couldn't possibly defend those lies told by her nasty daughter.
Mikyla Smith.... if Christina Crawford was such a pioneer, why did she not have Mommie Dearest published while Joan was still alive??? Some pioneering!!!! It all comes back to haunt Christina for being greedy, jealous and resentful!!! What in hell was Christina thinking, and what was her problem??? I think she became the epitome of the spoiled brat who Joan did not want her to become. Christina Crawford certainly did not make a POSITIVE impact!!
She reminded me of my mother. Although my mother was not in show business she was a complete narcissist and mean as hell.
RedSpiralHand
I do sympathize. So was mine.
So sorry to hear this.
@3rrlia Yes when she said I'd wake up and the monster would be in the door! I know that monster!
Yes. Both my mother and grandmother were similar to Joan's personality.
The same as mine
Mr. Skinner, thank you so much for this great UPLOAD s! Your very good Research is impressing and a joy to watch!!!! Many loving greetings to you from Berlin👑🔝😆
I enjoyed this. The rare photos of her and how you shared more about her than what the world knew of her...I've always wondered what Christopher and christina did in joans eyes to warrant leaving them nothing
You can't deny that Joan was a great actress. Movies like Mildred Pierce and Whatever happened to Baby Jane are classics.
It's just to bad she couldn't act like a kind human being to her own kids. Those poor kids were stolen from loving parents and given to someone with money who only used them as tools. This is proof that money doesn't buy happiness.
Never knew Joan took care of Tone in his last days. Thanks Jerry.
Hi, Jerry. Joan Crawford was truly a very classy lady, just like Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, and Kim Novak. What do you love about filming videos? Have a good day, Jerry.
Thank you Byron, love the traveling. Jerry
Another wide eye opening thank you jerry
as usual very interesting video . Happy Memorial weekend .
Excessive drinking and smoking can destroy the collagen that supports healthy skin. By the 1950s, she became harder and harder looking with age, becoming almost masculine in her looks. She just didn't have an "eye" for what would work for her, but compared to Bette Davis, who looked really ancient by her fifties, Crawford looked pretty good for the times.
bach baroque Crawford’s Mother was a very pretty woman too. In order to get those high cheek bones for the cameras she either had to get cheek implants or have 6 of her back molars removed. I’m sure she underwent some kind of plastic surgery & beauty treatments/creams daily and weekly. They pay thousands of dollars today to keep from aging.
I'm new to your page and I must say is a huge Crawford and Davis fan I absolutely appreciated and loved your biography like Crawford it was done with class and taste thank you for a wonderful film and now I'm going to look to see what others you have you have a new fan
Thank you Rachael and i hope you find others you will enjoy. Thank you again. Jerry
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Well done documentary on her...she is one of my favorites
In that family photo her father looked like a lunatic. Some mental diseases are hieritable.
Lucille Lasuer real name is a more pretty name than Joan Crawford
Thank you Rebecca. Lucille Lasuer sounds like a movie star name to me. Thank you Rebecca and i agree with you. Jerry
Ummmmm... that would be "LeSueur". And it sounded like "sewer". Crawford was right to change it.
Gordon Hall she didn't change it dipshit. the studio wanted it changed and ran a contest .
Gee. Thanks. I never knew that you fucking moron. They first chose "Joan Arden", but it was already in use. You can sit back in the corner, but sport your dunce cap.
Gordon Hall
Yup. She said she hated the new name, though, because it sounded like crawfish 😙
THE ONE AND ONLY. I ADORE HER
Wonderful video. Thank you, sir.
You're a great storyteller sir. Thank you.
I checked out most of the comments to see if what I'm about to say struck other people the same way as it did me, but I didn't see any. Why would a person "adopt" (I watched your video on the TN "adoptions") or buy children if she didn't want to be a mother? I loved (still do) being a mother and it was hard enough putting them on the bus for the first day of school. I just don't understand her motives. She does sound like a troubled woman. The movie that stood out for me was "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane." I remember hearing that those two didn't like each other, but I didn't know it was that bad. Thank you, Mr. Skinner, for an honest, non-biased bio on Joan Crawford.
Thank you Phyllis. Jerry
Many people adopt, in this case buy, children just like they would jewelry. Because of the want to posess not the want to change someone's life for the better.
She couldn't keep a man, either. Says alot.
It was a publicity stunt that didn’t give her the attention she craved.
I'm really enjoying this informative documentary!!!
Shame on this woman for living her life the way she did as far as her relationships with her family were. Also, what she did to bette Davis. She was a wonderful actress and whether or not her intentions were pure, she did a lot for many people. May god forgive her for the abuse she inflicted on her children
Bette Davis, since you're on this topic, was far worse than Crawford. It was Davis who persecuted Crawford. Look up "B.D. Davis" (Bette's daughter who wrote a biography of her mother), if you won't take my word for it.
Tue Bible says, "It is better to have a milestone wrapped around your neck and cast into the ocean, then to harm one of Gods little ones."
Bette Davis i loved her as an actress but she was a mean sob and she was far meaner to Crawford during filming for What Ever Happened to Baby Jane when she hitting her in thebedroom scene she was actually really hitting and kicking her
@@gordonhall752 I’ll take your word for it! And I will check it out as well, thank you! 🙏🏼
Gordon Hall I didn’t know about BD. I need to look that up. Lol
Had Christina and Christopher remained in Georgia Tan's well respected Orphanage (by the State of Tennessee), they may not have lived the later life they knew for all those many years.
It is well known that Joan Crawford helped out many of her friends and former husbands (including large monetary gifts to the Woodland Hills Motion Picture Retirement Home) including Franchot Tone. The book "Mommie Dearest" (and later movie rights) made a great deal of money for Christian Crawford from which she still profits from to this day.
Good. Christina deserves every penny.
Funny why Christina and Chris never tried to get in touch with their biological parents? Why did they continue to use the fake name Crawford? It was a made up studio name to begin with anyway. Joan Crawford was a single mother for most of that time. It was easy to run away & start over in that situation. At least they received an education and attended expensive boarding schools. Many abused kids have it much worse.
Beautiful and mesmerizing on picture yet difficult and misunderstood.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the classic example of what fame does to people. Always trying your hardest to be the perfect person with the perfect family for the public when all that is just causing more pain physically and mentally. Hell, you can still see this today with our current pop actors. Then again can you really blame them? Show business have always been a ruthless industry and it will bring either the best or worst out of you. Guess in Crawford’s case it was distortedly both.
Chris Gaga....there is a lot of truth in what you commented....
My question is: why did Christina simply not have Mommie Dearest published while Joan was still alive??? That would have eradicated so much speculation about greed, jealousy and resentment. I cannot consider Christina Crawford's points of view as valid.
I enjoy watching your videos. Thank you for your work. Would it be possible for you to make videos of the lives of Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, and Dorothy Lamour?
Thank you Joe, when i can get around to it. Thanks for the suggestion. Jerry.
Sad life, sadder death: she rejected God’s gift of salvation in Christ on her deathbed 😢
god does not justify the wicked. he would never even hear from that demon
@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 Who are you to speak for GOD? If you don't accept Christ you are going to hell.
Were you at Joan Crawford's deathbed? Judge not lest you be judged.
@@ctruth6185 says who? not god!
@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 Says the Word of GOD! Clearly you don't read the Bible. The fact that you can't read or understand it proves you're a devil.
the casting for Olivia on feud was amazing Catharine looks exteamly like her in that photo same with Susan not so much Jessica but she nailed the mannerisms.
These videos about celebrities always make me sad
She frightened me as a child.
It isn't just stars. I will never forget sleeping over a friends house, a friend I thought was normal, and her mom had a non wire hangers moment in front of me. I considered sneaking out that night... but waited for my mom. When My mom appeared I literally ran out of there like a hostage.
Hello Jerry.
I am settling back to enjoy yet another of your documentaries on a Hollywood classic star of a by gone era. 😊
Very interesting,I never seen many of her films,she sure was beautiful when younger.
It’s sad to see people get old and unattractive, and lose their competitive edge .
But when you haven’t got your loved ones beside you!
Because of your lifestyles you’ve chosen .
I’m sure it’s twice as bad at the end of your life !
It all comes back for revenge against you soul .
Very well presented but very sad and tragic ending
Thanks Jerry 🙏👏👏
love the last sentence. I read 'mommy dearest' and believe every word. Crawford was a damaged woman.
Then you're just another member of the herd.
Gordon Hall... bringing people down wherever he goes
Cry me a river...
It's "Mommie Dearest" oh informed one. You don't know the first thing about Crawford. I imagine your news source is The National Enquirer
Gordon Hall why does everyone constantly bicker on here ?????
And thank you for admitting that at least part of Christina's book is true...
Great video thanks brother!!🙏
She looks like Amal Clooney.
Very interesting. Thank you Jerry. It seems like she was a very messed up woman psychologically.
And just so it's noted... I believe Christina
Look at her eyes compared to everyone else's...
Publicly she was eloquent, classy, articulate and graceful. Her eye contact with whomever she was speaking was intense. Watching her old interviews leaves one longing for those kinds of days where people carried themselves with poised pride.
Ahh although much scandals occurred during Hollywood's golden age the people were so publicly poised and graceful beautiful that in some ways you see them only as they are on the silver screen where as today people will never again have such dignity class .grace and beauty Hollywood today is a sewage plant
Buying children back then was common for people in the movie business or very wealthy. Mr Steele, it was said by Christina, was very kind to her and her brother. Mr Steele gave Christina a baby doll she had long wanted. Joan took the toys Mr Steele gave them for Christmas and gave them away and that’s when the kids were shipped to the school. Christina said Joan was jealous of her and her brother. She didn’t want him to get to close to them. That was in the book mommie dearest by Christina.
Christina had allot of behavior problems as a young woman.
Joe Esposito told a story about him inviting Christina to Elvis house one night. Christina objected to Joe lightning Elvis cigars for him. Not that Elvis couldn’t do it himself but Elvis put the cigar in his mouth and asked Joe if he had a lighter. So Joe reached to light the cigar for Elvis just doing it like a joke. Christina reached up and grabbed the cigar out if Elvis mouth. She did that twice. Joe told her don’t do that the first time, when she did it again, Elvis got mad and ordered her out of his house never to return. That was in Hollywood hills where Elvis lived. Joe said Elvis was really mad. Elvis didn’t allow a woman to speak or behave the way Christina did towards a man. She really had no business jerking the cigar out of Elvis mouth and she was never allowed back. Joe said the most irritated at a woman he ever saw Elvis was at Christina. Lol
@@gracieg7601 I read that Christina annoyed Shirley Temple as well. Apparently when Miss Temple was giving Crawford a tour of her closets, Christina mistook the costumes for clothes. Shirley Temple bought many of her costumes from her studio to keep as a souvenir and she was annoyed that Christina kept pawing them.
I heard from a relative of hers that her step father sexually abused her and her birth mother physically and emotionally abused her. That was the source of her dysfunction and in the words of her relative "the whole family was really fucked up...pretending to be ok but really were not healthy emotionally". It's to her testament as an actress that she was able to create so many adoring fans who never really knew her
That would explain her deeply troubled soul. The pain from being that hurt as a young child messes you up like nothing else. Another great video, I love the comment section.
Thank you Lucy. Jerry
@@pAusten hollyweird promotes sin
I believe it her kind of behavior usually stems from unresolved childhood trauma
It's virtually ALL of Hollywood. Your favorites, so get ready to deal with it. It's all coming out. It's all celebs...made a deal with the real devil. Music, politics, anyone that's a rich celebrity in any way, at least most of them Another thing they do is sxual inversion. See The Shills Have Lies channel. I have a feeling there's going to be enormous bonfires of movies and "music."
As a abused child let me tell you my mother was a street angel house devil functioning alcoholic sociopath narcissist...she only abused us girls and had a favorite son...Joan reminds me of her and i believe Christiana...
I totally believe Christina too
I believe her also
Yes..my mother was her age, a Lucille Ball look alike and...a Dr. Jeckle Mr. Hyde. She was charming and elegant in public....at home, I was the scapegoat for my younger brother. It was rough!!! I eventually left for a modeling career in NYC in the late 60's...the verbal abuse never stopped. Such a strange generation. But I love her dearly....This year she's 110.
I was right there up to “I loved her dearly.” My mom died in 2018. I’ve never been so relieved. Not happy, but relieved- the B flick zombie that kept getting up and pursuing me no matter where I fled, finally stayed down
Yeah no doubt the abuse Christina received as a child effected her all her life. It’s terribly sad.
Hard to defend yourself when you you have passed away.
Yes i'm skepticle of tell all stories wben people are dead any itelligent person knows there are always more than one side to a story only gossips rumour mongers and rabble rousers side only one side
A lot of Hollywood stars are narcissists
Which makes perfect sense actually.
They all are and nobody is perfect
@@edodlbarra Being perfect and abusing children is two different things!
“A lot”, is an understatement.
no they are not. they are not smart enough
Unfortunately, Crawford isn't the only person in recent times to have been crazy in private but publicly a star. If the truth were known, there are plenty of stars just like this right now.
Like who? Just out of interest
@@JohnQuilyQuinlan Sally Kellerman
Paul Simmons just Nicole Kidman. She stood there laughing as the kids were tortured and molested by her father and the cult he was in. Look it up in TH-cam!
Ming The Merciless what about the bitch Marlene Dietrich? She told her daughter to basically get over it,after finding out the female nanny raped her!...don’t believe ? Look it up! Oh here you go, here is the story cos I know you won’t look it up. It’s even in one of the documentaries on here...I am not gonna do your homework again.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581864/Cruel-Marlene-lesbian-nanny-raped-daughter-grandson-claims-cold-emotionally-detached.html
@@JohnQuilyQuinlan Dems?
Child abuse isn't really about the child or the child's behavior. It's actually about the abuser and their negative feelings toward themselves or the people who mistreated them (most often a parent). Children are easy targets because they can't fight back.
#christinacrawfordlied
@@FriendsofJoanCrawford Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
So many of these "Celebrity's that had it all", in REALITY, had NOTHING!
They did have money, property and lots of land!
@3rrlia Of course she was a full blown narcissist! Lol! You've got to be that and a lot of other things as well if you are trying to make a living as an actor/actress. You really do sell your sole to the devil in the entertainment industry.
@@codyluka8355 . Some say that she was a "he". I don't know.
@3rrlia who isn't a narcissist 🙄
@@nicholaosskiadas9083 some ask why it matters 😣
I absolutely love your narration! Your voice is soothing and you are most well informed and fair and balanced in your representation of these amazing but sometimes difficult movie stars. Much thanks to you for doing this and keep on!
I think he sounds like a hillbilly!
You did a great job of telling her story; I am so glad that you pointed out how some people can have two faces.
3AM in Texas. I cant sleep and LOOKIE THERE!Mr Jerry dropped by with another great story. I really enjoy these........ Putting on a pot of coffee and going to visit with Jerry & Joan awhile ! Thanks JS! Great stuff buddy :) Herb
Herb, save me a cup of that coffee o.k. Jerry Oh yes, old friend, are you staying out of trouble?
Yes sir I sure am...:) Take care my friend.
(Boy I miss my 'Mississippi'!!!) :)
I am always up in Texas at 3am. Are you anywhere near Lubbock, by any chance?
You and Herb sound so interesting; I wish I knew you both
Thank you for the kind words :) Take care - Herb
The agency she adopted her children from was really creepy. I hope the woman who ran it went to hell...
No but you will you fool hardy bitch
L S You’re an ass.
Don't wish people to go to Hell. Smh
@@georgiesinclair6951 i disagree, we know what Jesus says about hurting the children. But why would you come out with a comment as ugly as you did? I rarely read ugly comments on TH-cam, that's why I left Facebook, rude uncivil people.
@@spookygirl7761 I wish every evil person gets exactly, what they deserve. Some of us believe hell is a good place for the evil to go, (so I won't have to get revenge on them.)
I leave it for God to take care of.
I wish that God would imprison all evil doers in hell.(He will)
I think God's okay with what I think about hell, and the sinners that won't repent..
Please God give them what they deserve.
Always respect Miss Crawford for her Amazing Talent ! Never be another
Joan Crawford was a beautiful lady!💞
Sounds like Joan Crawford suffered with a serious personality disorder. Cluster B. Narcissistic, histrionic, (dramatic and attention seeking), anti -social with borderline traits. Sad. Back then it was very hard to understand and easy to cover up, especially when you’re Hollywood’s leading lady. Just unable to love.
She was so beautiful in the beginning of her career. Changing her eyebrows to overly thick & dark changed her face in an unflattering way, making her look older & harsh. On another note, « Mildred Pierce » was her best performance. Incredible movie.
Just had the thought that the thick dark eyebrows that are in fashion with teenagers and 20 somethings now are Crawford eyebrows! Maybe if they saw Joan Crawford's later films they would think again.......😄
I actually think her thicker eyebrows are an enormously striking feature. Brooke Shields has similar eyebrows. In Joan's case, in particular, a thicker eyebrow was needed to frame those huge blue eyes.
@@joshnosher3536 Thank you! I don’t know why anyone would say that “changing” one’s eyebrows would make them look older and harsh. That’s rubbish. They weren’t “changed” at all, just not plucked - they were wonderfully natural.
💎🕊️✌️🖖🫂 Mrs. Lucille Fay LeSueur Fairbanks ... AKA "Miss Joan Arden Crawford" ... Had Looked As Her MAMMA Did ... AT FIRST ... UNTIL HER DADDY'S FEATURES HAD TAKEN OVER HER EXTERIOR APPEARANCE; 🧬 It's ALL About OUR Dominant AND Recessive Genetics, From WITHIN Our OWN Bodies .... 🤓 🌟
@@fifthbusiness1678 🥰🥰😍😍
Great video!! I love watching 1930's-40's films featuring Joan Crawford. She absolutely crackles with electricity and steals every scene. Amazingly beautiful. Thank you.
Hal, her brother, was very handsome. Never realized that before now.
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I love how people respond to abuse years after it happens ..... “oh get over it that was years ago “. And “You can’t live in the last “. It is a true crime when these monsters affect a kids childhood. Whether you know it or not the damage has been done and it is quite real for a lifetime.
Christina recanted and admitted she was jealous of her mother and her carrer and "exagerated"about her behaviour
Not true
I totally agree.
It matters not how long ago the abuse happened, for the victim, it's as though it happened yesterday.
Then we carry that damage with us as it weighs us down like where carrying it in a back pack. We're lucky we live in a time where we can start to shed those traumas through therapy, 12 step programs and many other ways.
All of these people jumping in and trying to defend her narcissistic abuse are flying monkeys.
How did wire hangers get in home ? Staff knew of her dislike of them .. doesn’t add up
The wire hangers came from the local laundry which Joan sent her laundry to. Her children were taught to take the wire hangers out of their freshly laundered clothes and replace them with padded hangers but apparently Christina forgot to do this one time and the result was this..."NO WIRE HANGERS...EVER!"
jflan92 highly doubt she would even let laundry send her clothes in them. She was very thorough
That's what i always wondered
Plausible deniability. If it came to light and anybody blabbed about it, she could say everybody knows there were no wire hangers in the house.
Probably from the Local Dry Cleaners! The Maid usually picks up the cleaning!
Narcissists are very different behind closed doors and, as parents .they do have a favorite child, even if they deny it.
Natal charts can reveal *which child* might be their favored, too.
Granny Omaha So very true.
Granny Omaha...you are so right ...Only a child who live with a narcissistic parent..who let her favorit sociopathic daughter cause strife within the whole family until she died..pure bliss when her favorit died
I think all parents secretly have their 'favorite'. Doesn't necessarily mean they love their other children any less, they just either see themselves or another loved one a lot in them or they gave them little trouble growing up. It's a fascinating phenomenon.
@@Kaboomboo Yes they do have their favorites. And every child has their favorite parent as well. It's how we relate to each other I guess.
Mr. Skinner thank you for sharing your well researched video work.
Many commenters seem to think she should have "taken care" of her brother; that it was sad he ended up working at a hotel. Why? He wasn't unable to earn a living. He had his own life to live. Why should Joan have given him any money? Who knows - maybe she did, and he blew it. For that matter, she had a perfect right to leave most of her money to charity too. It was hers to dispose as she wished.
Some of Joan's Hollywood visitor friends did witness some of her abuse of Christina and Christopher. Actress Natalie Schaeffer saw Joan force Christopher to eat an entire box of bonbon chocolates, as punishment for having eaten a second bonbon. Eve Arden (herself an adoptive mother of two) opined that Joan ought never have tried to be a mother. Another guest (perhaps June Allyson) saw Joan make Christina, all dressed up for a childhood friend's birthday party, sit alone on a chair in Joan's hallway the entire duration of the party, missing it all. (Shades of the headmaster cruelty to charity pupils in the film Jane Eyre).
It was indeed June Allyson. She told of it in an interview
Helen Hayes also said Joan should never have had children.
@@arnepianocanadaAllyson told what pray tell? She described Christina being put in what we would call time-out.
@@margaretross9150Helen Hayes thought Joan was too strict of a parent but she never witnessed any outright abuse. For instance she wrote of throwing Christopher a surprise birthday party and Joan being upset about it. Hayes though never elaborated more about the incident. She never described Joan's body language or what words were said.
@@Garsons-oq4lh Her son, James MacArthur, saw Christopher being tied in bed. It's an opinion, that's all.
| believe Christina Crawford's recollection of her abusive childhood. Many siblings in families have different memories of their childhood especially when there is an age gap. If Christina republishes an updated version of Mommie Dearest why not even if it is for financial gain it does not change the truth. Grandchildren cannot say what their grandparents were like as parents. i say shame on anyone who knew what went on.
teresa harris, you are correct. I wish I didn't live a similar experience but I did. My younger sisters are much younger and have a different viewpoint, but it does not change what was done to me. I had an abusive mother and stepfather who treated me like dirt, and I don't care what their excuses for their behavior are. Unlike Joan Crawford, they were not alcoholics, narcissistic most likely, but they knew that if anyone ever found out the truth they would be in legal trouble. There is no way the twins would know what Christina and Christopher experienced before they were in the picture or when they weren't present and the grandchildren would know even less.
Very good video - and well balanced with the facts ! Thank you for sharing !
Joan Crawford was already a well known Star in Hollywood when Bette Davis arrived a struggling Actress. Joan Crawford donated a great deal of money over the years to the Woodland Hills Motion Picture Retirement Home and remain helpful to Franchot Tone until his death. She kept this secret over the years never wanting the publicity for the massive amount of charity work she did for other Actors in Hollywood.
One of the favorite things narcissists love to do is hide behind a veneer of decency and an image in general. They all do it so that when the rumors and gossip start to spread about them people will say but they did this and they did that so they can't be bad people.
Study up on narcissists and sociopaths because their at least 10% of the population. You know one narcissist you know them all because they all behave in a similar manner.
Couldn't agree more! Polished reputation is their trademark
@@brianwalsh1401 Joan was more abused than Christina? Why have you no sympathy for Joan? Christian could also be a narcissist and a sociopath.
That must’ve been a very difficult short film to do, well done you were very diplomatic
He definitely is. That's why I love Jerry's videos. He doesn't put his personal feelings about the person into it.
That was actually excellent
Thank you George. Jerry
Id agree!
That's categorically untrue.
Darran Clarke Thanks for the insightful and thoughtful post Darran.
Joan Crawford had a rough time, but she worked to get out of the life she had known in her younger years. An amazing actress with an even more amazing career!
Joan Crawford was never a "screaming mad woman", except for the role she played in certain movies. She is the most misunderstood Actress from the Golden Age of Hollywood.
Many other Hollywood children have written similar exploitation books, but none as successful as such writing had become "Old Hat".
The children of Judy Garland could have written such a book, but none did as they respected their parent, as was not the case with the 2 adopted children of Joan Crawford. The other 2 children always praised their mother and denied what was written in "Mommie Dearest".
Miriam Hopkins was the first (or one of the first) major Actresses in Hollywood to successfully adopt a child while still a single parent. She adopted a son, Michael Hopkins who went on to a successful career in the United States Air Force and is buried in Riverside, California at the National Cemetery. That one turned out a very good and loving relationship with Michael always having good things to say about his mother and his life with her. Much of what her son Michael said about his life was outlined in the recently published Biography titled Miriam Hopkins: Hollywood Rebel.
You have the best narrative voice. Thank you for this!
Excellent and personally, I have read everything ever written on her by her and her children, seen interviews etc and I believe Christina. Some don't. I do. Call it gut .
P Fletch • So do I. I lived what Christina did. So I know.
i've read everything too. I believe Joan.
Even Crawford’s secretary said (in another vid on TH-cam) , Joan was like Christina told!
As far as Christina goes she had recanted and admitted she was jealous of mommie dearest and her carrer and she may have "exagerated about her behaviour" especially since the other siblings don't remember those incidents happening
@@mikefarrell734 that is not true. Christopher said is was true and the twins (who weren’t really twins I’ve read somewhere) wouldn’t say a bad word about Joan because they enherited from her. Tough one of them sold the Oscar statue and I dare say thAt doesn’t show much respect, does it???!!!!
I like your voice Jerry. It reminds me of Mr. Haney from Green Acres!
haha. true
Wow, he does.
I think your voice is nice as well ..nicer than the comparison even some made
I've seen other Jerry tributes and I love it when he- actually I love it when anybody- is unintentionally funny. The mix of glamorous topic and hayseed voice is a treat.
Right. The comparison is not entirely accurate, but he has a gentle, pleasing Southern drawl that is quite appealing and intriguing for all. I'm from Louisiana and have a Southern drawl as well, so I've been told. We're proud of our heritage!
This woman was tenacious.. Well done Jerry..
Legend of Lizzie Borden
Famous story with ten books written about lizzie. Borden and. Her crimes
That's putting it very nicely...to the nnnth.
Joan Crawford aged so strangely. She was a beautiful young woman and by her late 40's, you would not have known it was the same woman, her looks changed so much. It's not that she wasn't still attractive, she just looked like a completely different woman. If you look at most people who have aged in front of you, you can still see the young person that they were. Not so with Joan.
She was constantly "reinventing" herself throughout the years. She didn't get her trademark "Crawford look" (huge eyebrows, shoulder pads, etc.) until the late 30's and 40's.
Plus, Joan smoked and drank a lot.
I agree, always thought she aged oddly. Her looks became much harder. The huge eyebrows and heavy lipstick with short cropped hair didn't help. By the 50s her look was almost frightening, appearing nothing like the youthful beauty she once was. By the late 60s I thought she started looking better, older yes, but she was softening her look a bit. There no doubt her looks went through many changes during her life.
Missditabomb, *most* people don't resemble their younger selves.
mattbernbabe, the vast majority of people of that era smoked and drank.
Funny how you didn’t mention her step dad was sexually abusing her from the age of 11! Maybe that’s why he HELPED her!
It's to bad she wanted babies as though they were toys then as they got older she didn't want to deal with them.
Sad
They were more like commodities to her in maintaining her career and image than just her "children".
YaYa Says like some people with puppies...they don’t want them as they get older. Joan did it to look good and cos she was lonely. She didn’t know how to love children
@@Briannafrancis-e9g You're right there. She didn't know how to love children...or anybody else for that matter.
that's horseshit
The remaining twin died last month
Thanks, Jerry. You did a very nice job narrating Joan's biography!!
Christina and Christopher fared much better with their adopted mother than would have been the case had they remained at the notorious Orphanage in Tennessee, run by Georgia Tan.
A thoughtful fair assessment of Joan Crawfords life. I found the Mommie dearest movie very distressing, it brought back too many horrible memories for me. The haircut scene showing crazy Joan with scissors really scared me, Christina has said it took many years for her to get over the fear and trauma.
How come everyone forgets how completely jealous Christina was and wanted to be a super famous actress also...?!!?
Joan even tried to facilitate an acting career for Christina... But that is not how things work in life. Of course!
Christian also said the movie was completely off. Interesting how people pick & choose what is convenient or entertaining to believe. I'm personally happy I'm not so gullible .
@@shaneculkin7124 exactly. Gullible people annoy me
No, Christina was never a big star like her mother. She was probably thinking in what other ways she could get notoriety and dough. Then the horrendous book was a thought. With the support of Christopher she continued with the slanderous mostly exaggerated book. It all comes down to Christina's greed and jealousy. Before Joan died, Joan caught word or had a premonition that Christina was up to something. That is probably why Joan disinherited Christina and Christopher. Cathy and Cindy never had a bad word for Joan, and they were not disinherited. Granted Joan was probably more strict than most Hollywood parents, but she wanted those kids to amount to something and be self-sufficient!!! Not like the namby-pamby spoiled brats that the Hollywood children were becoming.
"Mommie Dearest" was the first exploitation book written. The book was turned down 3 or 4 times before it contained enough sensational stories to make it financially successful enough for publication.
Christina Crawford became a Millionaire after the movie and book The later exploitation books fy the children of major Hollywood Stars were not very successful as they had become "Old Hat".. After the publication, many similar exploitation books would be written including Bette Davis, Bing Crosby and most recently Shirley MacLaine.
Is it just me or does Joan Crawford have the creepiest looking crazy eyes I’ve ever seen.
Websy88 that crazy sounding voice was the icing on the cake!
The eye brows LoL 😆
It's just you.
She does, tans the over drawn eyebrows didn’t help
actors and actresses are people not perfect, we all know alot of people with strange behaviour etc. just because they are famous but these early stars were poverty stricken and basically illiterate. Its hard to understand behaviour but what we see is a facade.
Good job! And so true about how people treat children behind closed doors, and in the dark...
Joan crawford was a great actress and she loved the fans l have many pbotos of her when you watch her in the movie grand hotel 1932 ) that scene with john barrymore was so sexual that no actress today could match that today and that movies she did with clark gable were very sexual and it was the real thing my favorate actress of all time great video
I still watch Mommie Dearest till this day
That's technically not a JC movie.
I haven't seen the film except for the infamous wire hanger scene. That was horrifying.
I tend to believe her daughter because I KNOW how abusive and vile alcoholics can be. Joan LOOKS wicked(in my opinion)...and we already know how she held grudges. That being said, may she RIP.
Valerie Griner....one can look evil and not be evil. There is a big difference. If anyone was truly evil, it was Christina. Why did Christina simply not have Mommie Dearest published while Joan was still alive?? That certainly would have taken the speculation off of Christina being greedy, jealous and resentful!!
Okay, I've read the book and seen the movie, that said, I think I need I to set a few things straight.
1. Joan couldn't adopt legally because she was single. At the time JC adopted the Christophers and later Christina and the twins, Social services wasn't what we know it to be now.. Most adoptions were done through agencies and children were only given to rich families.
This is the reason why Joan turned to black market adoption through Georgia Tann.
2. As for Christina, I do think there are some truth in her claims. I mean, why would she lie about the abuse she suffered? I'm sure to even write about that was painful for her as was the film.
Real abuse victims tell a consistent story and her brother Christopher backed up her story. Why would either lie about it?
Robin Neher she 'adopted through the Tennessee children's home society i.e. Georgia Tann.
Robin Neher exactly. I believe her.
Robin Neher exactly. Why on earth would Cristina go through all his trouble if she had had a happy childhood with her « mother »?
But the people who don’t believe Cristina are those who think that since Joan was a great actress, she couldn’t possibly be a cruel mother. Nothing to do with the 2 unfortunately.
Many people including, Bette Davis, Lana turner, her daughter and Marylin Monroe started thy all new about the abuse
It should also be noted that the book "Mommie Dearest" helped bring child abuse to world-wide attention and many people stated that they had similar experiences.
wow, she couldn't get along with anyone, not even her family and children.
Some people (narcissists)...are not cut out for motherhood. I feel very sorry for her 4 children. It's weird how she named two of her children..CHRIST-ina and CHRIST-opher.
Jerry - I love your videos. They all seem "fair & balanced" in an effort to present the truth, as best we know. I also love your voice. It sounds familiar but I can't place it.
Thank you KC. I am from Mississippi and i guess it shows. Thanks again. Jerry
KC Culp ....Richard Farnsworth is what he sounds like to me ❤
I think that Joan's literal buying of her children from the notorious criminal Georgia Tann is highly indication of Joan's personality failures. Joan did attempt legitimate adoption but was refused for several reasons.....she was single, a divorcee AND personality tests revealed that Joan LACK the qualities that a good parent should possess. This is a very telling thing about Joan's complex personality makeup. In videos of the twin girls (grown at the time), it is very apparent that they are both NOT telling the truth when asked about the emotional out bursts that Joan was given to in the home setting. The twins were provided for in Joan's will and life for the twins at the hands of Joan was much better than for Christina and Chris. These are probably the reasons they withheld the truth regarding the treatment of the older children. Wherever the truth lies, one thing is evident.....Joan had guts and drive to accomplish what she did considering what her beginnings were.
Uriah Peep Her I bringing was so abuse I’ve abd that brought in the mental illness I read that her father left so she and her mom lived in the back of a dry cleaner doing the clothes. Hence-no wire hangers to remind her of the abuse she was raped at 11
People dint want to admit or deal with mental illness It is real
Interesting that the two girls are referred to as twins. They actually were not even related. Joan wanted twins, Georgia Tann provided two girls who resembled each other closely. Basically,, to Tann, children were a product to be sold
Uninformed IDIOTS!! They WERE twins. They proved it in court. And until after Georgia Tann died everybody, Joan included, thought she ran a reputable adoption agency. How DARE you try and lay that at Joan's door! There's a little thing called the truth and it's our there. Why don't you find it instead of spouting your bull💩 on this thread!
Joan Crawford took a personality test and was found unfit to be a parent???
I highly doubt that but I wouldn't know that after reading your comment. Shame again!!
@@eviesmail5447 WOW she was. Running from her past.