The greatest judoka of all time | Travis Stevens and Lex Fridman
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Travis Stevens is the 2016 Olympic Judo silver medalist and BJJ black belt.
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RIP Toshihiko Koga. He was such a savage and inspiration back in the 90's
Oh crap...he died?
I'd add Yamashita to that list. 4 time world champ, olympic gold medalist. Guy was unbeatable for a large portion of his career.
Definitely! I agree! He would fight injured, too. He had guts, heart, strength and great dignity. I love the way he bowed also. He was humble (IMHO).
Unfair to judge past generations with today’s standards. Old time judokas would destroy in ne waza any modern champion hands down. What about judo original old rules allowing leg grabbing?Not a fair comparison IMO. Kano had no competitive achievements but he was philosophically, intellectually and pedagogically ahead of not only many judokas, but many human beings. But nowadays this side of judo is totally forgotten, especially by competitors
Yes and wasn't Kano kind of against the whole competition for the sake of winning? He was more into self development and your opponent was a tool towards helping you achieve that, whether you won or lost. Kano could also apparently hold his own with Saigo who was mean to be the best of that time wasn't he? Mifune alos highly rated him. On a side note I would also love to see Travis spar with Roger Gracie. Roger has good judo by all accounts but not at level of Travis and vice versa with Travis against Rogers ground work
Nomura was the generation after Koga...
But the reason the judokas now have the results they do is because they're riding on the shoulder of giants who have paved the way and evolved the sport incrementally to the point where it's at. So you have to respect the OGs its like that with anything.
bring shohei ono to the podcast!!!!
Kosei Inoue perfected him
Where is Teddy Riner ?
No Kimura?
Koga! The best
I had pleasure to fight with Namoura... the guy is amazzing fighter😭👍👍👍
No Ryoko Tani? 7 time World Champion and 2 time Olympic champion
Let's not forget Isao Okano & Katsuhiko Kashiwazaki!
masahiko kimimura could also be on that list
Helio Gracie didn't tap to Kimura's Kimura lock.
Teddy ??
They have forgotten masahiko kimura
Teddy Riner ?
Nomura came after Koga though.
What about Anton Geesink? He was a big deal back in the day.
What about kimura?
Kimura was the beast. ( they literally call him oni, and still they call him that .)
So i think the GOAT(😂) in judo in terms of pure FIGHT side of judo is kimura, but for skils, probably its koga, and for knowledge, it is kano.
thinking we are better then the old guys in my opinion is very short sighted....i dont think we do as good as we think we do
Surprised Masahiko Kimura wasn't put in the top three.
You weren't really paying attention. Travis stated that it would have to be someone of the 'recent' generations. Kimura was many generations before.
I don't think he necessarily has too much international Judo accomplishments but he's definitely a really good overall grappler and fighter. He also had some catch wrestling and karate training too.
Teddy Rinner bodying his division for an entire decade
I mean 10 years undefeated and lods of gold medals
@@MathisBesnier A 10 time world champion
Keep in mind judo didnt start as a sport. The new rules suck and self defense component of judo has vanished.
So does BJJ, if you look at the kinds of banned techniques that are banned in BJJ competition today, you can see that it is walking the path of Judo. If you want the sport to become popular, you need the protect the practitioners. Try pulling guard on the street, you'll get stomped on immediately
@@ericlee1226 exactly. Turtle up on the street & get curb stomped. Pull guard on the street 1v1 youre fine but with multiple attackers youre getting curb stomped.
@@redpilljujitsu9068 nope 1v1 on the street if you pull guard you still get your face smashed in or nut kick. high level BJJ players all have a good stand up game.
@@ericlee1226 closed guard? Doubt it. Btw all these stupid new guards are shit.
This is false. A throw can literally kill a person. Break their ribs and arms. A Judoka beat Helio Gracie in a fight. He didn't use double legs that everyone cries about. You can pin and submit with a kimura today just as you could then. Bjj guys are so stupid. They can't even take people down. Bjj guys are only effective against un-trained opponents. Butt scooting doesn't work in real life. If you can't take them down you're a fish out of water. I respect the gracies because they learned all aspects of fighting, but modern bjj players are deranged and helpless.
Teddy Riner should be rated the very best of all time.
i thought Kimura is greatest Judoka of all time !!!
What about Teddy Riner? 10 golds in World Championships, another 10 golds at IJF, including 2021 for Judo World Masters
People say he had no competition physically
Teddy Riner is just a freak physically, technically he is not as good as other judokas
@@ericlee1226 you really belive he won 10x world championnship, 2 gold in jo, won 100% of his fight between 2011 and 2019, just because he is a freak ? Come on : he is good technically too, if he was bad, other must have beat him in 8 years ! You can love or hate but the numbers are fact !
@@celineperret4331 he is the second heaviest judoka in the world, the first is Rafael Silva who is noticible less fit then Teddy. Yes he is a freak physically walking around at 287LBS of muscle. So yes, his weight and size have everything to do with his victory. I am not saying his technique is bad, BUT he does not have the best technique and relies heavily on his size and weight.
@1:25 Travis Stevens claims people today would dominate at ALL things? Like swords fighting or bow fighting? I doubt it.
Everything we have collective knowledge of
Travis was speaking about Judo. There’s no doubt Judo has evolved.
It’s not too much of a stretch to say that all athletic endeavors objectively improve over time.
@@jeffreyromeo3317 true. its like creating a textbook and newer guys releasing the same book with improvements whether small changes or significant ones, a new edition. improvement should be expected, would be more surprising if it got worse given knowledge they have access to. when comparing modern practitioners to old ones, perhaps better to look at their context and how far they pushed the sport more than who would win. new ones are given an advantage of also having older knowledge available to them
Even sword fighting and bow fighting. It's pretty impossible people in the past understand more intricacy of swords and bow then today's fencing and archery Olympic gold medalists.
If you creare a sport at leadt you dederce an honorable mention lmao