well, to be fair, at the time, every "accomplished" girl at the time was supposed to have some skill with the piano. When she said thats what she likes, they probably assumed that she was just another girl who only have the basic skills. They have no way of knowing her expertise
I took it as they wanted to know ”and what else” in terms of skills. Everyone of the time would’ve known a little pianoforte so they probably were looking for her other unique skills
I love how when John first meets her and simply asks to share the silence with her, it’s exactly what she wants and she’s a little giddy to meet someone like her, but she still doesn’t know what to do and nopes out after like 30 seconds, though not necessarily for a “bad” reason. 😂
This was my favorite part! That happens to me all the time. It doesn't mean I don't like you. It just means the environment is too much and I need to leave the party now.
That scene touched my heart and made me a bit flustered. I want a love like that, where you can be silent with eachother. I often feel obligated to converse sometimes because it's etiquette but it's nice to just exist with people. 😊
People she doesn’t like. Put social people around people they dislike, are harassing them or intruding, and you they will no longer be social. Put them in a fashion show, concert, movie, party and friends who of their choosing who they like and watch how social they can be, even to strangers. Responses are based on the environment you find yourself in. The solution to being around people you dislike isn’t to isolate yourself but to be around people you like, and being unapologetic about it. The solution to cancelling on boring people isn’t to stop meeting people but meeting interesting people. You can’t live your life as a secluded introvert especially if you’re an extrovert. That’s not assess by how you respond to family. It’s assessed by how you behave in public. Girls and women of high society do not interact with anyone and everyone. Till today, most women don’t interact with people from a lower social class. They interact with people of their society. That’s classism. You’re an extrovert amongst your own social class and amongst those who aren’t of your social class, you feel uncomfortable and avoid them. Not talking to people from a different social class doesn’t make you an introvert. It makes you a subject of your social status and social class. You interact with your social class and do it well. But you avoid a different social class because it’s counter productive to your goals, which in her case is to get married. Nowadays, it would include dating, marriage and a career all in one.
Love her! And love how she ZOOMED over to him while with her mother after Violet said how his family were a bunch of introverts! Music to Francesca’s ears!
@@marlena. Yes. It ended up being so thoughtful, but super weird at first. They would make a good, but odd match. Also that the other suitor wanted 8 kids and constant noise… 😂😂😂 Honestly that would’ve scared me off too, geez man!
The thing that stood out to me is initially the men were prodding her with questions and she said she expected a conversation not an interrogation. But when the Lord Petri took interest to have a conversation about the things she’s interested in she panicked when the conversation had more depth wasn’t shallow. This conveyed to me she has her interests but she likes to keep things shallow and simple. She isn’t actually longing for intellectual conversation, she isn’t even longing to be vulnerable or fully understood.
The exact scene played when i found this comment and i couldn't agree more 😂 i don't even want kids so the idea of 8 children is a hellish nightmare !!
As a neurodivergent myself, I found her EXTREMELY relatable. Francesca talks about piano music the same way I talk about movies/shows, books, and Broadway.❤
Auditory sensitivities, special interests, social awkwardness, wall flower syndrome, indifference to social customs, not understanding other people, masking and failing at masking and everyone finding out you're "not like them", needing leave functions early due to overstimulation....yep, ladies and gentlemen, my representation.
I LOVED that the Earl John LISTENED to her!! I cannot stress that enough. He LISTENED to her!! She said she felt the music was being played too fast and the man rushed off. Which I admit was not good, but when he comes back with the music altered to her specifications which is SUCH a hugely romantic gesture, I wish more people were talking about it!!
He rushed off because clearly his ass is autistic too. Literally how SO many of my friends will leave a conversation, especially in a group setting, especially if their brain just caught on a goal. "thank you, that was helpful" he says as he dashes off because his brain just went "oh, she told me A Thing She Wants, I know that means I must go Procure It to get a good grade in Courtship, a thing that is both normal to want and possible to achieve."
@@natashambulo3510 maybe we're reading the scene differently. To me, Francesca appeared slightly confused, and then she matter-of-factly switched the topic. But your interpretation is also worth considering. I have to rewatch the scene again
I could see a neurodivergence in her from a mile a way. As a neurodivergent myself, I teared up. Violet didn't know, and yet, she was such a supportive mother to Francesca, I wish every neurodivergent kid could have a supportive family as Francesca has. And the fact that she found someone who understands her the way John does makes my heart burst. Such a beautiful representation of us "quirky" kids.
I thought how it was cute how Violet's facial reactions were towards Frannie. To your point very supportive, but when Frannie said "No need to shout" and Violet gave like "well what do I do then" and when Violet awkwardly had to watch her daughter fail at flirting but said nothing...I mean yea. This season just confirmed Violet really is such a good and understanding mom (and I think part of the overall growth is after trying too hard with Daphne/Anthony at times she learned its sometimes better to just be there when she can).
@@Percyjackson183 it's the name given to refer the natural variations on human brain based on learning, cognitive functions, humor, attention, and sociability... Autism, dislexia, ADHD, and so many more... we all fit into this little wonderful box of remarkable People.
I have a mom like this, whom I work with now. She too is neurodivergent, so it's not exactly like Violet, but she knows. We work together in the same company now. Yesterday, I was really trying and failing not to have a massive meltdown over major technology issues for the second time in a row in a very important meeting, and instead of telling me to calm down or telling me off, she just said to me as soon as the call ended, _"come look at this tornado footage from last night!"_ and watched with me until I composed myself.
as someone with High-functioning autism I found both Francesca and Penelope relatable this season. Francesca because of her introverted nature, and Penelope for being misunderstood and dealing with a friendship breakup.
I think the show is far more realistic in its treatment of Pen than the book version. Book version: loses a bunch of weight to finally get noticed by the suitor she wants. happy go lucky friendship with her bestfriend even after finding out about her mean, spiteful gossip mongering persona that directly harmed her family members. can do no wrong trope. Show version: stays the same weight. strives to enhance what she has. does not want to be a wallflower. friendship broken. broken friend dearly not enthused by her approaching her brother. Her petty gossiping and mean, snarky words are not always treated as good things. Pen has faults of her own. She's a sad person with lonely surroundings and while I can understand her, her actions do show that sometimes she's not a good person either. initially naive to how terrible her public gossiping can be. She's....a real person.
@@FairyLotusUnicorn From the book: April of 1814 found Penelope back in London for a second season, and even though she attracted the same number of suitors as the year before (zero), the season wasn't , in all honesty, quite so bad. It helped that she'd lost nearly two stone and could now call herself "pleasantly rounded" rather than a "hideous pudge". She was still nowhere near the slender ideal of womanhood that ruled the day, but at least she'd changed enough to warrant the purchase of a completely new wardrobe. - That was 1814, the book plays in the year 1824, when she is 28. So no, she did not lose weight to especially attract Colin. Colin, from the book: She was soft, curvy, and lush, just as he'd always thought a woman should be. - So Colin loves Penelope's lush figure. I don't know why everyone is writing that Pen just lost weight for Colin, and he is only attracted to her, because she is slender. That is WRONG.
@@michaeladebayo2474 Ohhhh okay, yaaas, love this. Feels like I'm whispering into your ear on the internet. In my orginal comment I basically said that if you've read the orginal book, then you know getting attached to John is a heartbreak waiting to happen.
And she's constantly stimming/fidgeting with her hands and her ring. Due to the disability representation this season, i guess that's exactly what they were trying to bring, but maybe they won't name it as autism since there were no studies on this at that time
It would be nice if someone involved in the production would say it in an interview though. I agree it wouldn't make sense to say it in the show itself, but to bring it up off-screen would confirm that they intended Francesca to be autistic rep and bring it to the attention of neurotypical viewers
@@kyirose2995...it need not be said ....look at the characters and enjoy their personalities.. I enjoyed watching series like MONK ...the characters are different..not disabled or kooky ..just unique .. And in the Bridgerton extroverted sibling ..she is unique ..
I love how the second Lord Samadani says he wants eight children, Her immediate thought is "bail bail bail!" And when she hears Lord Kilmartin and his family are introverts, she's like, "target acquired!"
I love Francesca and John. They bring a fresh new energy to this show i didnt realise it needs. Its like they give us viewers an outlet to breathe and juat take everything in and their chemistry is off the charts
You forgot how she lit up when she realized BRO NYOOMED OUTTA THERE TO *_REWRITE THE FRIKKEN SHEET MUSIC TO HER LIKING_* Girl needs to become penpals with him asap and exchange compositions
@dustinjolicoeur6138 spoilers ahead, look away for the people who don't want to read. Francesca meets another man, and he's the one she ultimately falls in love with.
@@apespc9886Right. They making it seem like Frannie cheated and left John hanging or sumn lol. Like if u gonna spoil someone just do it instead of vague stuff like this .
Since I knew Francesca was going to be the diamond (or the closest example) for Season 3, I expected her to be like Daphne and Edwina so I wasn't expecting much, but Fran is possibly my favourite Bridgerton now 😅 she's absolutely brilliant and a refreshing addition to the show 💞
Eh, okay I don't watch this show but they are adorable. I love the way he sits, then turns forward away from her, giving her implicit permission to sit silently with him instead of trying to engage
As a book reader I hate it and I love just cause the book was so BLAND about them. Like yea they were a unit but why were they? The chemistry was there I suppose but it was more telling than showing. This is far more impactful and just what I wanted for them to expand her story.
@luciaellee Her story is unique as its about Widowhood and refinding love (in this case with John's Cousin, Michael). With the show's version, usually there is a common theme between the two couples and in this case, it probably would be Grief.
All the comments saying “I’m not autistic and I relate to her, she’s just introverted” She might not be confirmed as autistic and just because you relate doesn’t mean we’re saying you’re autistic either But nevertheless she is a character we can relate to heavily and it’s nice to be seen and recognised even if it’s not actual fact It’s nice for us to be seen in the show we love so much so let us feel represented You don’t have to dismiss everything just because you relate and don’t have autism Just let us have this, let us feel seen
Yes, thank you! Like c'mon, let us have some unofficial rep that's not Sheldon Cooper. Lowk think that some of these commenters just don't like it because they see autism as a negative thing and they don't like that they might have things in common with an autistic character 🤷
@@macyfisher5209 I really dislike it because autism is an actual "condition", not just a jacket you can wear and take off if you feel like it. You actually have to show certain traits to a degree and they have to impact your life, not be explained by something else and also have to have existed before a certain age. Diagnosing strangers is something that I always find stupid. You don't know the person, you aren't qualified to diagnose someone. Neurodivergent traits are human traits. Not everyone who is socially awkward or likes to stim is autistic, in fact most people are not. Running around and blindly labelling anyone as autistic just because they are a bit socially awkward is neither helping actual autistic people nor is it helping the person who got misdiagnosed. Also all this running around wildly diagnosing people just because you feel like it, is also perpetuating the notion that everyone MUST be diagnosed with something. Because clearly you can't have completely normal human traits like being shy, stimming, reserved, only having one time consuming hobby, enjoying silence etc. without being disabled right? If every person is neurodivergent then what's the point? Francesca is clearly not showing any autistic traits or neurodivergent traits to a degree that would be higher than your average introverted persons and she doesn't seem to be impacted by them either (which would both be signs that she is neurodivergent and not just your average shy introverted person). If she is autistic that's fine, if she isn't that's fine. But that's not for you to decide.
@@ducklingscap897 First of all, I have AuDHD, and I am very much like Francesca, so your argument that she shows no autistic traits to an "autistic" degree holds no water. But aside from that I get exactly what you mean about diagnosing strangers; I recognize that the practice can be harmful when it's done by unqualified people, aka the internet, to real people. I also agree that neurodivergent traits are human traits. But what we're doing here is harming nobody. Autistic people should be allowed to feel represented by characters and "headcanon" characters as autistic even if they're not explicitly described as such. With our current token representation being Sheldon Cooper, everyone I meet is surprised to hear I'm autistic, because in their minds being autistic means I should either be extremely antisocial and have extremely low EQ to the point of assholery, or be a stuttering childlike idiot who needs help doing basic tasks. So I don't think it's fair to criticize us for seeking out better autism representation for ourselves and finding hope in characters that we can identify with. Because that's ultimately the beauty of fiction, isn't it? Being able to relate to a princess, or a viking, or an alien from a billion galaxies away, because we're not so strictly constrained by real life. Like you said; if she's autistic that's fine, if she isn't that's fine too. The showrunners have not mentioned anything about it, and we have no official statement. So why are you so bent up about us saying she could be autistic when we have no evidence to the contrary? Sure, you can argue it's not up for us to decide, but it sure isn't up to you to decide either. The point is we can all headcanon whatever we want, because it's a fictional character in a tv show and "misdiagnosing" her is literally not even a possibility because her attributes are all made up by her creators in the first place and can change according to their whims. TLDR: She's not real, so none of the impacts you listed actually apply. We have limited reasons to call her autistic but you also have limited reasons to call her not autistic. Everyone loses, now chill.
But that’s it! An interesting story line. It’s sweet now, but she got a second chance. We can’t have all Bridgertone children live happily ever after with their first loves.
No but the 'enjoy the silence together' scene gave me so much mental relief. When I say that scene was made for the introverts and neurodiverse I'm not exaggerating.
One of the many reasons I LOVE THIS SHOW, is the Francesca story this season. The idea of romantic connections being different for people who are different. I love that moment when she was sitting on the couch with Lord Kilmartin and no words were exchanged but they were communicating sooo much to each other. I loved it!!
I'm very much like Francesca and I am not autistic. It could also be she is introverted, easily anxious, and just a bit more of a wallflower in the sense of not wanting to be in the limelight.
Oh you could just have another type of "neurodivergence". There are other conditions outside of the spectrum that are also classified under neurodivergence according to societal views. ADHD is one, for example. That one is very well-known :)
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Same. I see myself a lot in Francesca but I’m not autistic. Just introverted.
@@samf.s.7731 I'm sure you meant no harm but its probably not the best idea to suggest that someone might have that because they share these characteristics, they are quite common for someone who is shy, introverted or easily anxious.
Can I just say that the Idea of an Autistic Love Story in Bridgerton sounds beautiful? I'm not Autistic but as someone with social anxiety, it somehow makes me feel seen. We deserve love too! I'm so rooting for them!
Spoilers They allude to her being gay though I’m kind of sad because the last episode seems to imply that the reason she didn’t have a spark with him was not due to her Neurodivergence, but because she is interested in women She has a really long look at his sister when they meet There’s also an expression she makes after her first kiss during her wedding and it’s kind of fd up because I’m sure many people saw that as just an extension of her autism, but I honestly think it was to imply that she realized she wasn’t romantically interested in him
I find it incredible that John was not only able to understand what she was saying regarding the music, he was able to rearrange it exactly the way she wanted it. That takes some incredible musical genius in my book- or maybe it just seems that way to me because I’m don’t quite comprehend the composition of music at that level.
Mood, I’m autistic preteen. Special Interest has been acquired. @Iamtherian195 I suspect the group doc will be filled with Bridgerton for quite a while once I find where to watch it
I loveeeee that they just sit in silence together. So romantic. My ideal relationship is one where my partner and I are so content we only need each other's presence in the room to feel loved. I am also neurodivergent so I also don't enjoy typical things 😅
I think the scene where Francesca walks into the room with her mother to greet the queen to have her debut, would fit in. She walks in first and is nervously fidgeting her hands
Due to her background you can see her fighting with herself in several ways. When she meets someone with shared desires for simple quiet company, we can see her still try to uphold social norms to her best abilities. Like facing him on the couch expecting conversation, but then being pleasantly reassured of silence.
I can understand how people can feel seen in her personality traits. However, please do not use TH-cam, FB or TikToc for Psychology diagnostics for yourself or anyone else. Her traits can be found in a multitude of personalities, and conditions.
I have never looked at her behaviour this way. Just thought she was anti-social and just wanted peace from a busy family she has lived with her whole life. But now that i have seen this it all makes sense now
It’s always amazing when you can find someone who you be comfortable in silence with. My bff is a librarian by trade and we sit in silence reading weekends at a time. Our kids and spouses don’t know how to take it. ❤❤❤
As an autistic person, I could smell her ‘tism from a mile away. I loved how she connected with someone similar to her. Also she is DEFINITELY on the aroace spectrum, change my mind
Yeah, no. Francesca gets *railed* and loved every minute of it. Hers is the most romantic of all the books and she experiences a whole new kind of sexual awakening as she falls deeper and deeper in love.
@tata-yo9id always a possibility of demisexual rep, maybe they will alter it so she will only want to be deeply filthy after first forming an emotional connection with someone 😅
@tata-yo9id oh RIP 😭😭 I could have sworn they were hinting toward her not experiencing/understanding romantic/sexual feelings but I guess demisexuality is still a possibility?
Aroacespec Francesca for the win - when she told her mother she didn’t really experience those conventional butterflies and intense emotions, and didn’t WANT to, I felt so seen!
I gotta say though, John was the most romantic man so far. That was the greatest gesture in the entirety of Bridgerton so far. Nothing compares, NOTHING.
I'm so glad others see it too, I watched francesca in the 4 episodes that are out and immediately connected with her character she is so clearly coded to be neurodivergent it warmed my heart
I‘m not autistic (at least to my knowledge) but I‘m a 100% classic introvert and it spoke to me very much. Not wanting unnecessary conversation, being overwhelmed by big group talking, and opening up when I discuss my real interests instead of doing weird small talk
I have a brother and a sister with ASD and I laughed so hard when Francesca asks her mom if she knows much about John's family, Violet says she does not as John's family is very reserved, Francesca does not wait for Violet to finish her thought before she is like "perfect." Here Violet is trying to explain why knowing nothing about John's family isn't necessarily a problem and Francesca is fully like "it's not a bug it's a feature".
Both of those things are autism traits, a lot of high-masking autistics force themselves to make too much eye contact to compensate so prolonged eye contact is also a trait people look for
I was so happy when I saw this video! I have been thinking this since I saw her playing before her debut and every scene after confirming my suspicion. Thank you!
Yes! The entire time I was watching season 3 I kept coming back to how much I like Francesca & how relatable I found her. She is accomplished & elegant, but socially awkward in a way I completely understand. I don't know what I would do if I was expected to make small talk with strangers as often as she is. I might dive into one of my special interests & never come out.
Finally someone out there who notices the small details, I thought I was alone. I have never come across a series/ movie including someone like me. They are both made for each other, like a puzzle piece.
OMG I haven't watched any of bridgerton yet but seeing this makes me want to! It's so relatable! And yet respectfully portrayed, not like the typical robot-like asd representation!
0:54 I also don't see the point in talking for the sake of talking about something. It's exhausting to make up things to talk about or try to figure out what other people want to say.
"what do you like" "piano" "okay yeah but what else" "........piano" was so real and special-interest of her
she's like what part of piano forte do you not get? that is the only interest ha.
I read this as they felt predatory to her
@@kimdavies11 that too for sure but also that would just be my answer
well, to be fair, at the time, every "accomplished" girl at the time was supposed to have some skill with the piano. When she said thats what she likes, they probably assumed that she was just another girl who only have the basic skills. They have no way of knowing her expertise
I took it as they wanted to know ”and what else” in terms of skills. Everyone of the time would’ve known a little pianoforte so they probably were looking for her other unique skills
I love that Lord Samadani says he wants eight children and Francesca *immediately* peaces out of there.
I don't blame her. Wanting eight kids NOW is deadly. Back then, even more so. Lady Bridegerton was beyond magically lucky.
Nmms 8 hijos, eso sí es pasarse de verga
Who would tbf
Well, she did almost die that one time.
@@playfulpanthress And even then, Hyacinth's birth nearly killed Violet. That woman's stronger than any other character in the shows
I love how when John first meets her and simply asks to share the silence with her, it’s exactly what she wants and she’s a little giddy to meet someone like her, but she still doesn’t know what to do and nopes out after like 30 seconds, though not necessarily for a “bad” reason. 😂
This was my favorite part! That happens to me all the time. It doesn't mean I don't like you. It just means the environment is too much and I need to leave the party now.
@@LY43537 Yep, “let’s meet again on our own terms.” And they do exactly that, in the Bridgerton drawing room, again in silence.
Yeah the difference between introversion lol. He isn't socially awkward but doesn't really like social gatherings for too long. drains his battery
That scene touched my heart and made me a bit flustered. I want a love like that, where you can be silent with eachother. I often feel obligated to converse sometimes because it's etiquette but it's nice to just exist with people. 😊
All of that drama just to introduce MichaelA Sterling (eye roll)
I just love how she awkwardly bails on people
She's just like me fr
People she doesn’t like. Put social people around people they dislike, are harassing them or intruding, and you they will no longer be social. Put them in a fashion show, concert, movie, party and friends who of their choosing who they like and watch how social they can be, even to strangers. Responses are based on the environment you find yourself in.
The solution to being around people you dislike isn’t to isolate yourself but to be around people you like, and being unapologetic about it. The solution to cancelling on boring people isn’t to stop meeting people but meeting interesting people. You can’t live your life as a secluded introvert especially if you’re an extrovert. That’s not assess by how you respond to family. It’s assessed by how you behave in public.
Girls and women of high society do not interact with anyone and everyone. Till today, most women don’t interact with people from a lower social class. They interact with people of their society. That’s classism. You’re an extrovert amongst your own social class and amongst those who aren’t of your social class, you feel uncomfortable and avoid them.
Not talking to people from a different social class doesn’t make you an introvert. It makes you a subject of your social status and social class. You interact with your social class and do it well. But you avoid a different social class because it’s counter productive to your goals, which in her case is to get married. Nowadays, it would include dating, marriage and a career all in one.
Love her! And love how she ZOOMED over to him while with her mother after Violet said how his family were a bunch of introverts! Music to Francesca’s ears!
And how he zoomed past them and literally left them on the street to “get something.”
Yes because he was too hyperfocused on getting her that sheet music written in the way she said she'd like it ❤@@LotsofLisa
@@marlena. Yes. It ended up being so thoughtful, but super weird at first. They would make a good, but odd match. Also that the other suitor wanted 8 kids and constant noise… 😂😂😂 Honestly that would’ve scared me off too, geez man!
“TOTALLY NOT INTERESTED MOM, GOD” -Francesca
The thing that stood out to me is initially the men were prodding her with questions and she said she expected a conversation not an interrogation. But when the Lord Petri took interest to have a conversation about the things she’s interested in she panicked when the conversation had more depth wasn’t shallow. This conveyed to me she has her interests but she likes to keep things shallow and simple. She isn’t actually longing for intellectual conversation, she isn’t even longing to be vulnerable or fully understood.
the eye contact between violet and hyacinth when she said she’ll dance alphabetically is killing me
I was like wth ?🤦🏻
I mean, Violet named her children alphabetically, so fair enough.
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Time stamp pls
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You left out the part where she ZOOMS *HOME* to play the music he had re-composed *just for her* ND4ND
I'm sorry, but wtf is ND4ND? 😂
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 I believe it's used when both individuals in a relationship are nerodivergent.
i got a copyright strike from netflix for having too much of the last ep sadly 😭gonna do a part 2 after the second half of the season drops tho
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 “Neurodivergent for neurodivergent,” I assume in the same sense as F4M or M4M.
@@dianagoenaga7263oooh. Thank you. I’m neurodivergent and I didn’t know that.
When he said 8 children and she was like NOPE I felt that
The exact scene played when i found this comment and i couldn't agree more 😂 i don't even want kids so the idea of 8 children is a hellish nightmare !!
Francesca: OUTTA HERE HELP
i felt that too 😂😂 homeboy should have not came on too strong
Same
Because most of the time kids are the mom’s responsibility especially back then.
As a neurodivergent myself, I found her EXTREMELY relatable. Francesca talks about piano music the same way I talk about movies/shows, books, and Broadway.❤
How so? I think I'm like that also
YIPEE WE HAVE THE SAME INTERESTS!!
Same!
me with kpop and fantasy novels among other things heh
She talks about piano the way i talk about bridgerton 😂 i drive everyone mad lol
"I'm not too interested in him" girl, you ran across the street to meet him
And also ran home to play HIS sheet music AS WELL like girlie your not fooling ANYONE
Carriages be damned, I need to talk to ma man!!
“I’m totally not interested in him mom, GOD” 😂
🎶Denial, denial, denial! 🎶
I just realized he called her by her first name on the sidewalk lol man actually was head over heels ignoring social norms
Auditory sensitivities, special interests, social awkwardness, wall flower syndrome, indifference to social customs, not understanding other people, masking and failing at masking and everyone finding out you're "not like them", needing leave functions early due to overstimulation....yep, ladies and gentlemen, my representation.
These are also personality traits... I don't think we can necessarily come to the conclusion that this is someone who is truly neurodivergent.
@@CS-mf5unNow why are you so against someone being neurodivergent?
Sis, I possess all of these personality characteristics and I am not autistic. 💀
@@Momofukudoodoowindu good for you…but I think you’re missing the point.
@@prettynpetty8342 is the point you enjoy arm chair diagnosis and self-obsession via finding 'representation'?
Exceptional casting - her looks and mannerisms are so much like the woman who plays her mother.
The way they both fidget with their gloves is so perfect
She reminds me a lot of Daphne too!
She is a phenomenal actress.
I LOVED that the Earl John LISTENED to her!! I cannot stress that enough. He LISTENED to her!!
She said she felt the music was being played too fast and the man rushed off. Which I admit was not good, but when he comes back with the music altered to her specifications which is SUCH a hugely romantic gesture, I wish more people were talking about it!!
He rushed off because clearly his ass is autistic too. Literally how SO many of my friends will leave a conversation, especially in a group setting, especially if their brain just caught on a goal. "thank you, that was helpful" he says as he dashes off because his brain just went "oh, she told me A Thing She Wants, I know that means I must go Procure It to get a good grade in Courtship, a thing that is both normal to want and possible to achieve."
Actually, I'd say that Lord Kilmartin's sudden rushing off is quite autistic in itself, and it does not upset Francesca in the slightest.
@@slavchen it did upset her. She probably thought he was put off by her info dump like most ppl are.
@@natashambulo3510 It did upset her but it was quite autistic for him to leave that way. I get it to be honest.
@@natashambulo3510 maybe we're reading the scene differently. To me, Francesca appeared slightly confused, and then she matter-of-factly switched the topic.
But your interpretation is also worth considering. I have to rewatch the scene again
I could see a neurodivergence in her from a mile a way. As a neurodivergent myself, I teared up. Violet didn't know, and yet, she was such a supportive mother to Francesca, I wish every neurodivergent kid could have a supportive family as Francesca has. And the fact that she found someone who understands her the way John does makes my heart burst. Such a beautiful representation of us "quirky" kids.
I thought how it was cute how Violet's facial reactions were towards Frannie. To your point very supportive, but when Frannie said "No need to shout" and Violet gave like "well what do I do then" and when Violet awkwardly had to watch her daughter fail at flirting but said nothing...I mean yea. This season just confirmed Violet really is such a good and understanding mom (and I think part of the overall growth is after trying too hard with Daphne/Anthony at times she learned its sometimes better to just be there when she can).
@pollyanasilva8106 sorry what's neurodivergence
@@Percyjackson183 it's the name given to refer the natural variations on human brain based on learning, cognitive functions, humor, attention, and sociability...
Autism, dislexia, ADHD, and so many more... we all fit into this little wonderful box of remarkable People.
I have a mom like this, whom I work with now. She too is neurodivergent, so it's not exactly like Violet, but she knows. We work together in the same company now. Yesterday, I was really trying and failing not to have a massive meltdown over major technology issues for the second time in a row in a very important meeting, and instead of telling me to calm down or telling me off, she just said to me as soon as the call ended, _"come look at this tornado footage from last night!"_ and watched with me until I composed myself.
As a autistic person my self, i'm so happy of existence francesca's character ! It so important for us havin representation 😊
as someone with High-functioning autism I found both Francesca and Penelope relatable this season. Francesca because of her introverted nature, and Penelope for being misunderstood and dealing with a friendship breakup.
I think the show is far more realistic in its treatment of Pen than the book version.
Book version: loses a bunch of weight to finally get noticed by the suitor she wants. happy go lucky friendship with her bestfriend even after finding out about her mean, spiteful gossip mongering persona that directly harmed her family members. can do no wrong trope.
Show version: stays the same weight. strives to enhance what she has. does not want to be a wallflower. friendship broken. broken friend dearly not enthused by her approaching her brother. Her petty gossiping and mean, snarky words are not always treated as good things. Pen has faults of her own. She's a sad person with lonely surroundings and while I can understand her, her actions do show that sometimes she's not a good person either. initially naive to how terrible her public gossiping can be. She's....a real person.
Same here I can relate to Both Francesca and Penelope ❤
@@FairyLotusUnicorn
From the book:
April of 1814 found Penelope back in London for a second season, and even though she attracted the same number of suitors as the year before (zero), the season wasn't , in all honesty, quite so bad.
It helped that she'd lost nearly two stone and could now call herself "pleasantly rounded" rather than a "hideous pudge".
She was still nowhere near the slender ideal of womanhood that ruled the day, but at least she'd changed enough to warrant the purchase of a completely new wardrobe.
- That was 1814, the book plays in the year 1824, when she is 28.
So no, she did not lose weight to especially attract Colin.
Colin, from the book:
She was soft, curvy, and lush, just as he'd always thought a woman should be.
- So Colin loves Penelope's lush figure.
I don't know why everyone is writing that Pen just lost weight for Colin, and he is only attracted to her, because she is slender.
That is WRONG.
SAME
REAL
John is also super neurodivergent and they’re neurons diverge in the same way❤ they’re my new favourite part of Bridgerton
@@starsign0805 way to spoil 🤔
@@amelieb1013 oh damn I didn't realise how big a spoiler that was. I'm going to delete that comment.
@@starsign0805what was the spoiler idm could you tell me using a spoiler blocker
Like this
@@michaeladebayo2474 Ohhhh okay, yaaas, love this. Feels like I'm whispering into your ear on the internet.
In my orginal comment I basically said that if you've read the orginal book, then you know getting attached to John is a heartbreak waiting to happen.
So, what do you think now? Poor John.
And she's constantly stimming/fidgeting with her hands and her ring. Due to the disability representation this season, i guess that's exactly what they were trying to bring, but maybe they won't name it as autism since there were no studies on this at that time
It would be nice if someone involved in the production would say it in an interview though. I agree it wouldn't make sense to say it in the show itself, but to bring it up off-screen would confirm that they intended Francesca to be autistic rep and bring it to the attention of neurotypical viewers
@@stellasdoesstuff She is in the books, so it's obvious that's what they're going for
@@thelegacyofgaming2928not everyone has read the books
I have never read the books yet I knew instantly they gave her something like autism. @@kyirose2995
@@kyirose2995...it need not be said ....look at the characters and enjoy their personalities..
I enjoyed watching series like MONK ...the characters are different..not disabled or kooky ..just unique ..
And in the Bridgerton extroverted sibling ..she is unique ..
I love how the second Lord Samadani says he wants eight children, Her immediate thought is "bail bail bail!" And when she hears Lord Kilmartin and his family are introverts, she's like, "target acquired!"
YES whenever Francesca and Lord Kilmartin just basked in the silence I would squeal at the TV “YESSS NON VERBAL AT THE FUNCTION”
I love Francesca and John. They bring a fresh new energy to this show i didnt realise it needs. Its like they give us viewers an outlet to breathe and juat take everything in and their chemistry is off the charts
You forgot how she lit up when she realized BRO NYOOMED OUTTA THERE TO *_REWRITE THE FRIKKEN SHEET MUSIC TO HER LIKING_* Girl needs to become penpals with him asap and exchange compositions
The way she taps her fingers as a sensory stim .
Francesca and John are such awkward introverts and I love them together, I’m gonna be so sad when they’re story gets further along 😭
Y what happens? PLEASE I NEED TO KNOW!! Spoil amything and everything.
@dustinjolicoeur6138 spoilers ahead, look away for the people who don't want to read. Francesca meets another man, and he's the one she ultimately falls in love with.
@@shoujokadyan5502 This is not the full extent of it....
@@apespc9886Right. They making it seem like Frannie cheated and left John hanging or sumn lol. Like if u gonna spoil someone just do it instead of vague stuff like this .
Its ok. I cant watch the new season yet so im stuck getting all the new Bridgerton tea from TH-cam. Anything helps.
I love how violet and francesca look so much alike in terms of certain mannerisms such as their smile and the way they get stuck at a sentence.
Since I knew Francesca was going to be the diamond (or the closest example) for Season 3, I expected her to be like Daphne and Edwina so I wasn't expecting much, but Fran is possibly my favourite Bridgerton now 😅 she's absolutely brilliant and a refreshing addition to the show 💞
Also love that she's stunning, which is rare for tv like usually the ND girl has to be weird in some way.
Francesca is an unexpected gem. I’m really fond of her story and relationship with John. I am ready to be destroyed in 2 seasons
I absolutely love when they sit in silence on the couch. I was so giddy watching that scene. They are so cute together.
Eh, okay I don't watch this show but they are adorable. I love the way he sits, then turns forward away from her, giving her implicit permission to sit silently with him instead of trying to engage
as a book reader, I hate that Shonda made Francesca and John so cute together 😢
They were always meant to be a good couple. But they will have to make an extremely good job with the next guy. It is a hard task.
I mean hopefully they will just break with book canon in this case.
@luciaellee He is her first husband, so...
As a book reader I hate it and I love just cause the book was so BLAND about them. Like yea they were a unit but why were they? The chemistry was there I suppose but it was more telling than showing. This is far more impactful and just what I wanted for them to expand her story.
@luciaellee Her story is unique as its about Widowhood and refinding love (in this case with John's Cousin, Michael). With the show's version, usually there is a common theme between the two couples and in this case, it probably would be Grief.
All the comments saying “I’m not autistic and I relate to her, she’s just introverted”
She might not be confirmed as autistic and just because you relate doesn’t mean we’re saying you’re autistic either
But nevertheless she is a character we can relate to heavily and it’s nice to be seen and recognised even if it’s not actual fact
It’s nice for us to be seen in the show we love so much so let us feel represented
You don’t have to dismiss everything just because you relate and don’t have autism
Just let us have this, let us feel seen
Hyacinth is the autistic one.
Yes, thank you! Like c'mon, let us have some unofficial rep that's not Sheldon Cooper. Lowk think that some of these commenters just don't like it because they see autism as a negative thing and they don't like that they might have things in common with an autistic character 🤷
Also, high functioning neurodivergent people often go undiagnosed, so the commenters might actually be autistic themselves and have no idea.
@@macyfisher5209 I really dislike it because autism is an actual "condition", not just a jacket you can wear and take off if you feel like it. You actually have to show certain traits to a degree and they have to impact your life, not be explained by something else and also have to have existed before a certain age.
Diagnosing strangers is something that I always find stupid. You don't know the person, you aren't qualified to diagnose someone. Neurodivergent traits are human traits. Not everyone who is socially awkward or likes to stim is autistic, in fact most people are not. Running around and blindly labelling anyone as autistic just because they are a bit socially awkward is neither helping actual autistic people nor is it helping the person who got misdiagnosed.
Also all this running around wildly diagnosing people just because you feel like it, is also perpetuating the notion that everyone MUST be diagnosed with something. Because clearly you can't have completely normal human traits like being shy, stimming, reserved, only having one time consuming hobby, enjoying silence etc. without being disabled right? If every person is neurodivergent then what's the point? Francesca is clearly not showing any autistic traits or neurodivergent traits to a degree that would be higher than your average introverted persons and she doesn't seem to be impacted by them either (which would both be signs that she is neurodivergent and not just your average shy introverted person).
If she is autistic that's fine, if she isn't that's fine. But that's not for you to decide.
@@ducklingscap897 First of all, I have AuDHD, and I am very much like Francesca, so your argument that she shows no autistic traits to an "autistic" degree holds no water. But aside from that I get exactly what you mean about diagnosing strangers; I recognize that the practice can be harmful when it's done by unqualified people, aka the internet, to real people. I also agree that neurodivergent traits are human traits.
But what we're doing here is harming nobody. Autistic people should be allowed to feel represented by characters and "headcanon" characters as autistic even if they're not explicitly described as such. With our current token representation being Sheldon Cooper, everyone I meet is surprised to hear I'm autistic, because in their minds being autistic means I should either be extremely antisocial and have extremely low EQ to the point of assholery, or be a stuttering childlike idiot who needs help doing basic tasks.
So I don't think it's fair to criticize us for seeking out better autism representation for ourselves and finding hope in characters that we can identify with. Because that's ultimately the beauty of fiction, isn't it? Being able to relate to a princess, or a viking, or an alien from a billion galaxies away, because we're not so strictly constrained by real life.
Like you said; if she's autistic that's fine, if she isn't that's fine too. The showrunners have not mentioned anything about it, and we have no official statement. So why are you so bent up about us saying she could be autistic when we have no evidence to the contrary? Sure, you can argue it's not up for us to decide, but it sure isn't up to you to decide either. The point is we can all headcanon whatever we want, because it's a fictional character in a tv show and "misdiagnosing" her is literally not even a possibility because her attributes are all made up by her creators in the first place and can change according to their whims.
TLDR: She's not real, so none of the impacts you listed actually apply. We have limited reasons to call her autistic but you also have limited reasons to call her not autistic. Everyone loses, now chill.
I actually wouldn't mind if the Bridgerton executives changed certain aspects or gave someone a different storyline
*side eyeing John Sterling*
But that’s it! An interesting story line. It’s sweet now, but she got a second chance.
We can’t have all Bridgertone children live happily ever after with their first loves.
Love her! She is my favorite in the books! I adore seeing her with John!
I do too!
I know right, it makes me sad knowing how their story goes. 😭
Those three dudes, anybody would be creeped out by them!
"that. is. helpful" *runs away... - so cute. he's just as awkward as her. the Colin Penelope story line gives me the ick, but I love these two!
No but the 'enjoy the silence together' scene gave me so much mental relief. When I say that scene was made for the introverts and neurodiverse I'm not exaggerating.
3:31 I love the Queen's face in this moment. She was like: _"Dayum girl."_
The Queen is such an icon lmao. She has a bunch of great lines and facial expressions 😂
I'm living for her sweet neurospicy relationship with Lord Kilmartin, but it also makes me super sad thinking about the future tragedy to come.
What's the tragedy?
Francesca’s my favorite piano nerd. 😂
One of the many reasons I LOVE THIS SHOW, is the Francesca story this season. The idea of romantic connections being different for people who are different. I love that moment when she was sitting on the couch with Lord Kilmartin and no words were exchanged but they were communicating sooo much to each other. I loved it!!
I'm very much like Francesca and I am not autistic. It could also be she is introverted, easily anxious, and just a bit more of a wallflower in the sense of not wanting to be in the limelight.
Oh you could just have another type of "neurodivergence". There are other conditions outside of the spectrum that are also classified under neurodivergence according to societal views. ADHD is one, for example. That one is very well-known :)
Same. I see myself a lot in Francesca but I’m not autistic. Just introverted.
Thank you for saying this…thank you !
Same!
@@samf.s.7731 I'm sure you meant no harm but its probably not the best idea to suggest that someone might have that because they share these characteristics, they are quite common for someone who is shy, introverted or easily anxious.
I love how Pen communicates with Francesca.
Can I just say that the Idea of an Autistic Love Story in Bridgerton sounds beautiful? I'm not Autistic but as someone with social anxiety, it somehow makes me feel seen. We deserve love too! I'm so rooting for them!
Spoilers
They allude to her being gay though
I’m kind of sad because the last episode seems to imply that the reason she didn’t have a spark with him was not due to her Neurodivergence, but because she is interested in women
She has a really long look at his sister when they meet
There’s also an expression she makes after her first kiss during her wedding and it’s kind of fd up because I’m sure many people saw that as just an extension of her autism, but I honestly think it was to imply that she realized she wasn’t romantically interested in him
I love her so much…. autistic icon
The way she lights up when he arrives to call on her!! I love them
“I love my family dearly but it can be rather lonely to be among them all at once.”
I felt that. 😔
I find it incredible that John was not only able to understand what she was saying regarding the music, he was able to rearrange it exactly the way she wanted it. That takes some incredible musical genius in my book- or maybe it just seems that way to me because I’m don’t quite comprehend the composition of music at that level.
I'm 54 and have finally seen myself in a character... special interest activated 😂
Mood, I’m autistic preteen. Special Interest has been acquired. @Iamtherian195 I suspect the group doc will be filled with Bridgerton for quite a while once I find where to watch it
As soon as she found out his family is reserved and kept to themselves she was like “yes perfect! I want in”
I´ve only met Francesca for five minutes and I already love her
I love her shy smile and side eye with John 🥹 they are so cute together
I loveeeee that they just sit in silence together. So romantic. My ideal relationship is one where my partner and I are so content we only need each other's presence in the room to feel loved. I am also neurodivergent so I also don't enjoy typical things 😅
I love that she like the Homer Simpson meme for 2.5 episodes until John came into the picture.
Francesca and John 😍😍😍😍😍
I have been waiting for a compilation like this 😂 first thing I sent to my friend after I started watching was "okay so Francescas autistic"
I would call her introvert not autistic
@@Lex77755she is. Autism is not a caricature
I thought the same thing when I watched it. I think she's met her match.
Francesca and John - love on the spectrum
This vid needs her NOT DRINKING THE LEMONADE that Lord Samadani fetched her.
NON-SAFE FOODSSSSSS SHE TRULY IS AUTISTIC
(I am autistic)
I think the scene where Francesca walks into the room with her mother to greet the queen to have her debut, would fit in. She walks in first and is nervously fidgeting her hands
The last scene with her playing the music he gave her is really telling too~
Due to her background you can see her fighting with herself in several ways. When she meets someone with shared desires for simple quiet company, we can see her still try to uphold social norms to her best abilities. Like facing him on the couch expecting conversation, but then being pleasantly reassured of silence.
As an autistic whose special interest is music I am now going to watch Bridgerton because of this video
The way she struggles with eye contact makes me feel so seen
I can understand how people can feel seen in her personality traits. However, please do not use TH-cam, FB or TikToc for Psychology diagnostics for yourself or anyone else. Her traits can be found in a multitude of personalities, and conditions.
Exactly- I was thinking the exact same thing. Glad to see this comment.
Thanks for a sane comment under this video.
The irony of me being autistic and also called Francesca 😂 I've not watched the serious but I still related to much to her in this video
Idk about autistic but she was so relatable. She's the most introverted bridgerton
I have never looked at her behaviour this way. Just thought she was anti-social and just wanted peace from a busy family she has lived with her whole life. But now that i have seen this it all makes sense now
I can see surprisingly a lot of myself in this character and feel grateful you posted this! ❤
I thought she was just really introverted!?!?!?!
Aka, every scene with francesca in it lol
It’s always amazing when you can find someone who you be comfortable in silence with. My bff is a librarian by trade and we sit in silence reading weekends at a time. Our kids and spouses don’t know how to take it. ❤❤❤
As an autistic person, I could smell her ‘tism from a mile away. I loved how she connected with someone similar to her. Also she is DEFINITELY on the aroace spectrum, change my mind
Yeah, no. Francesca gets *railed* and loved every minute of it. Hers is the most romantic of all the books and she experiences a whole new kind of sexual awakening as she falls deeper and deeper in love.
@tata-yo9id always a possibility of demisexual rep, maybe they will alter it so she will only want to be deeply filthy after first forming an emotional connection with someone 😅
@tata-yo9id oh RIP 😭😭 I could have sworn they were hinting toward her not experiencing/understanding romantic/sexual feelings but I guess demisexuality is still a possibility?
I believe Eloise has more likely an aro/ace rep.
Aroacespec Francesca for the win - when she told her mother she didn’t really experience those conventional butterflies and intense emotions, and didn’t WANT to, I felt so seen!
This edit was great! Made me appreciate Francesca and the actress playing to role so much more.
I thought I was the only one to notice this, I’m autistic and saw myself in her in every scene lol
I gotta say though, John was the most romantic man so far. That was the greatest gesture in the entirety of Bridgerton so far. Nothing compares, NOTHING.
I'm so glad others see it too, I watched francesca in the 4 episodes that are out and immediately connected with her character
she is so clearly coded to be neurodivergent it warmed my heart
Yes!! Francesca has offically become my favorite Bridgerton! I see so much of myself in her, which is so lovely to see!
I‘m not autistic (at least to my knowledge) but I‘m a 100% classic introvert and it spoke to me very much. Not wanting unnecessary conversation, being overwhelmed by big group talking, and opening up when I discuss my real interests instead of doing weird small talk
I have a brother and a sister with ASD and I laughed so hard when Francesca asks her mom if she knows much about John's family, Violet says she does not as John's family is very reserved, Francesca does not wait for Violet to finish her thought before she is like "perfect."
Here Violet is trying to explain why knowing nothing about John's family isn't necessarily a problem and Francesca is fully like "it's not a bug it's a feature".
I’m both excited and nervous about future eps with her bc I am now so PROTECTIVE of her (and her representation) 💜
As someone who is autistic this makes so much sense , all i want to talk about is my special interests and the fidgeting is so me
Low eye contact during conversation is actually rather normal. Staring into someone's eyes incessantly during conversation isn't.
Both of those things are autism traits, a lot of high-masking autistics force themselves to make too much eye contact to compensate so prolonged eye contact is also a trait people look for
I was so happy when I saw this video! I have been thinking this since I saw her playing before her debut and every scene after confirming my suspicion. Thank you!
There is a sense kilmartin and Francesca both are divergent and each in the spectrum respectively ❤
They compliment each other wonderfully
Yes! The entire time I was watching season 3 I kept coming back to how much I like Francesca & how relatable I found her. She is accomplished & elegant, but socially awkward in a way I completely understand. I don't know what I would do if I was expected to make small talk with strangers as often as she is. I might dive into one of my special interests & never come out.
Autism: Strong genetic factor.
Edmund Bridgerton: Violet let's name our kids alphabetically! I find it orderly.
Definitely🥰 As Autistic Myself I was So Happy
To See an Aspie Girl 🌹Represented Here so Well 💙
SAMEE❤❤❤
Perfectly Agreed 💙
Same! 🌈🌈🌈
Finally someone out there who notices the small details, I thought I was alone. I have never come across a series/ movie including someone like me. They are both made for each other, like a puzzle piece.
6:23 so what I’m hearing is that the ‘tism runs in the family.
She's so pookie ❤️
YEEESSS❤
Every time i relate to a character, someone makes a video about them like this😭
it’s a sign 😭
Unrelated but her skin is so beautiful!
Introverts
I thought that she was on the spectrum and was convinced of it before watching this, but you point it out so well!
OMG I haven't watched any of bridgerton yet but seeing this makes me want to! It's so relatable! And yet respectfully portrayed, not like the typical robot-like asd representation!
7:44 THE OUTTRO SONG I LOVE U I SEE U I HEAR U with the community reference
I love that Lord Kilmartin stands and sits beside Francesca. Direct eye contact is very intense and creates anxiety.
0:54 I also don't see the point in talking for the sake of talking about something.
It's exhausting to make up things to talk about or try to figure out what other people want to say.
her first 5 seconds on screen this season shouted A U T I S T I C and i love her so much for that
I love Frannie so so much! 🥹 Hannah did a fantastic job.