A History of the Borg
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2015
- In this special episode, take a tour of the history of Star Trek's most intense villains, the Borg, by teasing details out of Trek canon.
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The Best Of Both Worlds, Part 1, TNG, 1990
Star Trek: First Contact, 1996
Collective, VOY, 2000
Star Trek: Generations, 1994
Child’s Play, VOY, 2000
Stone Age hand Axe Shaped By Complex Brain, Emory University TH-cam Channel, 2015
I, Borg, TNG, 1992
Endgame, Parts 1 & 2, VOY, 2001
Blood Fever, VOY, 1997
Dragon’s Teeth, VOY, 1999
The Matrix, 1999
Star Trek: The Motion Picture, 1979
Endgame, Parts 1 & 2, VOY, 2001
The Emperor’s New Cloak, DS9, 1999
The Forge, ENT, 2004
Twilight, ENT, 2003
Exile, ENT, 2003
Think Tank, VOY, 1999
Homestead, VOY, 2001
Hope And Fear, VOY, 1998
Scorpion Part 1, VOY, 1997
Maneuvers, VOY, 1995
Drone, VOY, 1998
Dark Frontier, VOY, 1999
Mortal Coil, VOY, 1997
Survival Instinct, VOY, 1999
The Omega Directive, VOY, 1998
Regeneration, ENT, 2003
Rivals, DS9, 1994
The Raven, VOY, 1997
The Neutral Zone, TNG, 1998
Emissary, DS9, 1993
The Best Of Both Worlds, Part 2, TNG, 1990
Descent, Part 2, TNG, 1993
Unity, VOY, 1997
Unimatrix Zero, Part 2, VOY, 2000
Images
Threshing of Grain in Ancient Egypt, taken and uploaded by Carlos E. Solivérez, 2006
Music
Confessin’
John Deley
TH-cam Music
Dubstep Light
Jason Shaw
Rhythm Changes
John Delay and the 41 Players - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
The Borg weren't so bad until they assimilated a Ferengi and learned about the Rules of Acquisition.
That'd make for a lousy drone...
@@mikiroony Iunno, Ferengi are very creative, and creative solutions can be helpful to the collective. Plug, they do have large brains, even if not used for the most intellectual pursuits. They do have technology comparable to the Federation, though (albeit, most likely due to trading).
The Rules of Acquisition may have been a contributing factor to the sometimes slow rate of assimilation, as some were quite contradictory.
For example Rule 42 iirc states "War is bad for business", but the next rule states "War is also good for business"
Way to throw an AI for a loop LOL
@@rsajay6256 I thought one rule was "War is good for business" and the next was "Peace is good for business". I think the underlying philosophy is that there's never a bad time for business.
@@Mr_Snek a bargain!
The scary thing about the Borg is not that they are the opposite of the Federation. It is that they are a *dark mirror* of them. Both cultures are about meeting others, learning things about them, and ideally incorporating that culture into their own. The Borg are just somewhat more direct about it, and don't give their targets any choice in the matter.
Exactly. Well said.
The borg seek perfection
Nailed it.
That's really good. Here I was thinking they were just space zombies
You have read my mind, Resistance is futile😊😅
the Borg are going to assimilate species logarithmically - slower at first, faster later on as their technology & numbers grow. You cannot estimate their age with straight-line growth. In other words, it probably took over 100 years for the Borg to assimilate their first 3 species, as they started with only their native skills and very small numbers.
I guess you mean exponential growth. In logarithmic growth, the increment decreases. :-)
@victor bruun I just pointed at the confusion of the logarithmic and exponential function.
For the applicability of the assumption of exponential growth, I most strongly disagree. Their expansion is not comparable to "ideal population growth", which also does not exist in reality, because of limitation of size, resources, political decisions, war, deseases, disasters leading to mass extinctions etc. Why do you even think you can assume an exponential growth for dating, like radioactive decay of isotopes can be used for radiometric dating (which actually describes a logarithmic function)? Why and how should they speed up the assimilation rate, while they have only one ship? I'd assume the rate to be rather constant, before they build a second ship, then it will probably make a jump. And there can be so many reasons why their assimilations may speed up or stagnate, in addition to those of population growth. And all that added to the pure assumption that the species counter really represents a chronologic counter (is not a calculated value), starting from 1, including all assimilated species (not only some or starting later), that was never reset or modified otherwise aso. And they can also have existed a long time before reaching stellar tech and assimilation tech and starting their expansion. There's really NO good reason to date the age of the borg based on some species names with high numbers in them.
It also seems that humans surpassed them. At a faster rate.
I is
The rate at which they encounter species will increase at the rate of the square of the distance of to the Borg origin point.
One minor correction. In VOY we meet a species that has never been assimilated, but Seven still has a numerical designation for that species. So the numerical designations actually represent every species they've encountered, not just the assimilated ones
Edit: looks like others have said the same thing in the comments lol
Yeah, you're correct; Species 8472 have never been assimilated, for instance...
2:50 he states that the numerical designation for a species is if they have assimilated OR been in contact with. Why so many people said that when he didn't say that? 🙄
@@thekillerbunny Probably because he based a calculation of x number of species assimilated per year off of the species designation number
Yes didn't Seven say the Kazon were never assimilated because they didn't have any valuable traits and that would only detract from perfection.
Species 8472 were never assimilated because the Borg couldn't assimilate them. They tried and failed.
If the Borg ever come here, I'll just send them a copy of Windows Vista. Every drone will be asking every drone for admin permission before any action is taken. And seeing there's no single admin within the collective, it will just keep going around and around.
Intelligence: 100
or that might just bulescreen after 30 minutes from boot up LOL
Windows stupidity would destroy all borg, windows is a virus made by gov spies illogical
As Mr. Data said, very funny!
Not going to work.
Since this is a history of the Borg, I thought it appropriate that I put in a word for the guy who actually created the Borg. He was a writer for the series "Star Trek, The New Generation" and his name was Michael Piller. He did a bunch of episodes, but that one is special. Michael, I think the Borg was the best Trek creation since Spock. I know you guys who write these episodes keep in the background, but I wanted to give you credit.
So if and when they decide to come up with a canonical backstory for the Borg's origins, he should be the one to write it.
@@dragonchr15 and the hated writer who created the borg queen, who was it?
@@dragonchr15 Uh, Piller died in 2005.
There has to be someone with access to the official series bible that can shed some more light 9n the Borg.
@@dragonchr15 Dunno if it is cannon, but there's a series of books that describes how Borg came to be and honestly, I like them tremendously. They're written by David Mack and are named DESTINY.
Not every species registered has to be assimilated.
I remember Seven and Neelix having a short talk about the Borg beeing picky.
didnt they only assimilate species that could benefit them, so any species who didnt have any tech or any other traits that where seemed good for the Borg they didnt bother with.
@@Weffi76 : Safety in mediocrity?
@@helmsscotta pretty much yes, the crappier you are the safer you are
They are only after technological knowledge to achieve the perfection they want biological perfection is secondary
@@Weffi76 Yes. Theres one episode where the Voyager encounters a medieval civilization that refused to advance in fear of the Borg.
But the species designations aren't just for species that they've assimilated, though.
There are plenty of species that they've passed up because they were already past the point of anything that species could offer, the Kazon, for example.
If I remember they still had a number designation. They just were not assimilated.
@@davidjones3165 that's exactly what he just commented lol.
I would have just assimilated them anyway. That way I get more drones and the resources of the planet. Make them breeding colonies and research outposts. Hehehehe
@@comcastjohn The problem is the Borg still expend energy like any mortal species. A good cash robber typically goes for the big notes and leaves the small notes and change behind. Why? Time is crucial during a robbery, it would take a lot more time to get a whole mountain bunch of 1's and 5's than a few wads of 100's. Put simply, the Kazon are a waste of resources.
agreed. And species 8472 was also another species they couldn't assimilate.
THE BORG - My absolute favorite villain!! Who here would like to watch a movie about how the borg came to be?
my second favorite villains are the Replicators from Stargate SG1
+Torben Rudgaard Replicators vs. Borg. Wonder how that will end.
+Torben Rudgaard
Jem' Hadar, are the best.
everyone
+Torben Rudgaard I wouldn't. It seems like the more people that get their hands on the Borg, the worse they get. I have my own thoughts on how the Borg came into existence. The last thing I want is to even take the chance of another writer that doesn't give 2 shits about cannon or common sense to take a crack at that topic.
Be careful what you wish for, you may not like the results. Sometimes, it's best(and more fun) to just use your imagination and speculate.
Actually, we don't know that the Borg assimilated at least 10,000 species, only that they have encountered that many. They do not consider all species worthy of assimilation. Seven has mentioned this in an episode of Voyager.
That was my slight quibble with the video. Seven was referring to the Kazon, I believe.
I agree, I think the best example is species 8472, which the Borg encountered, but haven't been able to assimilate.
@@TeslaMaster2 Yeah, Fluidic Space is a bitch to navigate! lol Plus, 8472 puts up a good fight! :-)
Came here to refresh my memory on borg history and that stood out to me too. For an example: the Borg had been trying to assimilate species 116 for ages but only was able to do so after they defeated species 8472 with the help of the Voyager.
Also about the age of the Borg. I would they are much older than assumed on the video. The Borg originate (or at least immigrated) in Delta Quadrant, which we can assume is pretty much one 4th of the galaxy. Milky way has somewhere between 100 and 400 billion star systems, so assuming delta quadrant would have somewhere between 25 billion and 100 billion star systems. But how many of them actually have M-class planets (or other kind of planets that suit another kind of life) and how many actually developed life, and more significantly, intelligent life capable of space travel. The Borg wouldn't just go searching for life from one planet to another as that's ineffective, but rather spread out and search for those who actually are capable of space travel so that they can add "biological and technological distinctiveness" (of said species) to their own.
And again, when it comes to the memory fragmentation, there are more possibilities than basically "getting old and forgetting about what happen". That's false assumption on the basis of what we have seen of the Borg. They regenerate on daily basis, and discard only unuseful information, but keep the useful information. The narrator in this video suggested that it was due to large amount of borg being killed in a short period of time that caused this, which is plausible, but I don't believe it was because the borg were a young species but just that there was another race that proved worthy opponent to them (which was probably assimilated).
@@TheAvathari One can assume anything, but IF we're going to talk about Canon, then we can only talk about what we know from all the various shows... books and short stories would not apply.
One of the things that is accepted is how many people in the Galaxy are very Humanesque...
Highly unlikely, first of all, unless we throw Panspermia into the mix,
which was done in a Next Gen episode, so we have to accept that as Canon!
Realistically, though, Highly doubtful... and it provides a feasible explanation as to why
many species would not be able to be integrated into the Collective...
No matter how long the Borg timeline has existed, there would still be a limited amount of species
that they COULD assimilate! They wouldn't want or couldn't use creatures similar to elephants or whales,
or even Humanesque creatures in a stone-age developmental stage...
there's no technological distinctiveness there, and if there are only ten thousand in their catalogue so far,
they ARE either very young as a Race, or they mean Humanesque creatures.
Well, Panspermia has already been established in Canon, so we have to assume that they DO mean
Human-like creatures, otherwise, they would have a lot more in their catalogue,
and many that they could not assimilate, like the Voth, who are probably millions of years more advanced...
Unless the Borg got lucky, of course! LOL
But I'm not an Expert on Star Trek! Just a very grateful fan! Have a nice day! :-)
Good synopsis on the Borg. Sadly the Federation has now faced a much greater threat to its existence than the Borg..... Alex Kurtzman.
Lower your shields. We are the secret base.
LOL!!!
I read that as kuntzman...
amen
hajaj i knew is going to be him.
Annie Wersching, who plays a Borg Queen in Picard this season says her role prep research included not only a review of all borg episodes on TNG and VGR but also watching a fan-made online History of the Borg as part of her prep for the role (re: Wil Wheaton's Picard aftershow). Pretty sure she meant your's!! Grats guys for providing a bit of inspiration to a very nice performance by Wersching.
Wait, what?!? Where can we confirm this?
may she rest in peace
I'd make a history of the Ferengi, but they'd charge me royalties for it.
LOL!
those greedy butts
Ferengi freak me out lol
That race makes me wonder about what their Clothing catalogs for women are.
Also if they think we're lewd because we let women cloth themselves. They should stay far away from the Middle East XD
Space Jews
As a kid, no adversary freaked me out as much as the Borg.
The chances of people from hundreds of different galaxies and planets all being able to use the exact same gravity and the exact same breathing atmosphere are a trillion to one. Every species uses speech to communicate, eyes to see with? Everyone has two eyes, two arms, two ears, two legs. Yeah, that's highly likely. Rather than use CGI to create logically credible aliens, let's treat the audience as if they were retarded children, and make every alien into a humanoid. Just slap on some cheap rubber bullshit mask and a dollar store halloween costume, no one will notice! After all, we are stupid, lazy, greedy and disrespectful. The only important rule in Hollywood is GET PAID--- so we can snort more co>caine while fuck>ing little boys up the as>shole. Why create SF that reflects LOGIC? It is all about the MONEY, so we can take more dr>ugs, and ra?pe more little boys.
SF fans are worthless mindless weak sheep scum. They will eat up any dogshit we shovel out.
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They will eat up any dogsh:it we shovel out.
They will eat up any dogshi:t we shovel out.
They will eat up any dogs"hit we shovel out.
SF fans are worthless mindless weak sheep scum. Let's ra:pe them for every penny they have.
Paramount Executive:
SCIENCE fiction? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! "Science", oh god, I can't stop laughing, pass me the coca:ine, and get me a fresh boy to r"ape...............Science!...... AS IF!......gag, chuckle................
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Oh, "its just a TV show?" No, it is MONEY and hours of your limited life you can never get back.
I love that the actress who played the Big Tit:s Empath character has gone public about how STUPID and irrational and pointless and shitty her role was.
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Genuinely good SF takes an unusual premise, then extrapolates LOCICALLY, in a linear fashion, to tell a story that answers "what if" in a manner that does not insult the intelligence of the audience.
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Why does this matter? Because every trailer trash retard can hold up Star Trek and say "That them there "science stuff" about evolution and Covid is just LIES, look at how DUMB "science" is"
YOU are the reason SF su"cks. You keep eating the dogsh"it, making things bad for everyone.
Oh, "its just a TV show?" No, it is MONEY and hours of your limited life you can never get back. You are making stupid, dishonest evil people RICH
@@noneone8726 uh you ok man?
@@noneone8726 Lay off the crack dude... get some therapy.
@@noneone8726 Most of the major species we see were seeded by a precursor race which is why so many similar bipeds exist.
There are also numerous different species in the Star Trek universe that are unique as well.
Your entire comment was just a long winded admittance to your complete ignorance on the subject.
Lay off the pipe, dude.
@@noneone8726 what is wrong with you?
Borg is basically super intelligent space zombie, it is possible they started as a weapon during a conflict which the fragments memory refers. It later lost control and consumed both conflicting factions
The Borg are fascinating. They're not exactly evil since they're not malicious, but like a machine they are cold and without empathy. If they could be controlled and evolve to know and accept empathy, and offered joining the Borg rather than forcing assimilation, I think it would be mutually beneficial. There would always be those willing to join them, and so offer their own uniqueness to the collective helping them evolve as they want to, while also not terrorizing other species.
The queen has proven to be evil, cold and calculating, CE
@@mbukukanyau
I'm talking about the collective and drones before she was a thing. They just assimilate. There is no mortality or pity, but no malice or excessive cruelty. Just cold force.
@@angelusumbra5741 before she was a thing? When was that?
@@jamesbizs “Origin
The Borg Queen was assimilated to the Collective from Species 125 around the age of 7-8, along with her parents, and was already present in 2354. (VOY: "Unimatrix Zero, Part II")”
The real fear of the Borg is losing your freedom and identity. At the time TNG was created We still were in the Cold War with communistic USSR. This series pitted The Federation (analogous to democratic NATO) and the Borg (analogous to the USSR). One is membership by choice retaining their individuality and sovereignty while the other is a forced collective making all worlds equals and cared for but it's peoples existence serve the collective because it has decided it is the best thing for all humanoid life. In the case of the Borg and the USSR, they are all technically and more closely to being democratic due to their hive mind. A vote would be directly from an individual and could be registered instantaneously from all across their entire empire. The will of the people is served BUT membership is not optional.
So, to someone living in the United States today the Borg philosophy appears "evil" for stomping on individual freedoms just as a person living in the US from the 1950s-80s Would have thought about the USSR. Yet elsewhere Western society is considered cruel and darwinistic in that many people are marginalized (aka living in poverty) without purpose (no employment opportunity) and given no voice in governance (little power in voting). It's a classic Star Trek exposition of ideology.
I've always wished Star Trek would do a Borg War series that explores the Borg history and requires an alliance of species between the species of the various quadrants to finally overcome. If anything the Borg provide a perfect shared threat for a unification event.
Shawn McRoberts They already did the alliance thing with the Dominion. It would just be the same thing.
Now, the legit Dominion and not it's puppets against the Borg would be something worth watching. The Alpha Quadrant wouldn't survive that.
Their is, there's a whole trilogy novel that explains the origins of the Borg and their ultimately their fate
nessunday Overton to which novels are you reffering? The Destiny series?
nessunday Overton That makes a more interesting premise for a series of movies than an alternate-timeline / parallel universe reboot of the original series.
christosvoskresye Anything is better than a reboot. A show centered on a group of tribbles would be better than a reboot lol
"The danger of the past was that men became slaves. The danger of the future is that men may become robots."
Erich Fromm, German sociologist and psychoanalyst
Those sociologists are irrelevant. They should be quarantined and eradicated. We should not waste our time listening to those pointless "ethical and moral" words for they tend to slow down scientific and technological advancement.
The Borg is the best thing ever in any science fiction franchise.
*Resistance is futile*
Erich Fromm is worth reading.
A person can learn bits and pieces from others, you re still you
I understood the feelings of Seven: the Borg being efficient, possessing knowledge and acquiring it. Working as one but each performing a single task. It must be fascinating however being disposable by the millions isn't really appealing. For some very weird reason, the Borg never seemed to assimilate the strategy of war, assimilating species by brute force and huge losses.
Isn't robot another word that means slave?
it also means "To not think" Ergo,, it has already happened.
I like how ambiguous the Borg origins are. There is nothing we fear more than that we do not understand, and having the Borg being such an ambiguous thing that we know little about makes them that much more terrifying.
I seem to remember in a Star Trek novel, the story of how the Borg were initially created. Humans from the 22nd century are taken back in time and far away by an advanced xenophobic civilization. The move ends up being a disaster and the survivors are forcibly changed into cybernetic hybrids (the Borg) to survive.
You may be thinking of the Star Trek Destiny novels. If I remember it rightly it wasn't humans but the xenophobic race who were sent back in time accidentally during a battle. At the end of the series the ones who weren't sent back make contact with the Borg and persuade them to change their ways and stop assimilating people.
your spot on, 3 part book series, and the species your thinking of are the Caeliar. Great story👍💯
I’m glad ST:TMP was mentioned. I always thought that Vjer, who met a machine race, actually met the original, non-organic, Borg. When Ilea and Decker merged, they created the current semi-biological form.
V'ger
Ooh that is an interesting theory actually
Interesting idea. From the history in this post that would not be the case.
This happened too recently.
In the return they postulate something very similar, in star trek online borg unimatrix vessels look like vger also. Iilea was also added to sto recently.
The exponential nature of the borg's growth makes sense considering that their power is augmented by every new species assimilated.
chiffmonkey Also, gaining transwarp capability and then recently gaining rapid implantation technology (remember early on individual drones did not carry implantation tubes, captives were taken to implantation rooms inside the cube) were probably huge aids in their rapid expansion in the few decades before Unimatrix one was destroyed.
22steve5150 I uh... clearly am not a trekkie.
+chiffmonkey lol, i wasn't either until i watched voyager, you should watch the first episode because as someone who doesn't like watching enterprise episodes i found voyager to be very entertaining
Kirito SAO I really really dislike Voyager. For me:
TOS - Good cheesy fun.
TNG - Mixed Good and Bad, tries to be serious but doesn't always pull it off. +1 for Picard. -1 for Wesley.
DS9 - Amazing, to me this is what star trek should be. Avery Brooks can't act but the rest of the cast make up for it.
Voyager - Horrible, bad writing, bad technobabble, bad twists, bad use of the holodeck for drivelly plots...
Enterprise - Mixed Amazing and Horrible, Archer is a grade A dick holding back an otherwise fantastic series. Oh and space nazis was stupid.
Then again what do I know, I think TMP was the best film :P
Hugh Janus I'm with you. I like all of the incarnations, with the acknowledgement that each series produced (and couldn't not produce) it's fair share of stinkers. Purists who feel the need to defend TOS or TNG solely, are pretty tiresome (to me).
The beginnings of the Borg is explored in the Destiny series of novels, short answer, they came into existence in 4527 BCE making them just shy of 7000 years old during the events of TNG.
Destiny series...is that considered Star Trek Canon???
@@michiganspencer6920 who cares. It was a great series and I'm tired of Disney deciding what is canon 15 years after I read it. The books are as important but because they're a visual media company they think that that is all diehard fans care about. Shortsighted and out of touch. It was a sad day when they bought both Star Wars and Star Trek franchises.
@@matthewbittenbender9191 Disney doesn't own Star Trek, CBS/Paramount does.
@@Dreqan ok. My bad. Still hate what Disney did to the last Star Wars trilogy and not very thrilled with what Paramount has done in the STU either.
@@matthewbittenbender9191 you do realize this is star TREK and not star wars right?
Or are you so mad about star wars and disney that u intentionally kept ranting about it anyways?
I almost skipped watching this video but I'm glad I didn't! Great research & the way you described everything was spot on.Thanks for putting in the work to show us this!
the book series Star Trek Destiny was written as official Canon of at least the next Generation universe and it goes into quite Exquisite detail on the origins of the Borg and how they came about as well as their eventual downfall
The books are, sadly, not canon. A shame, because many of them are very good.
Star Trek Vendetta comes to mind.....
The canon of the books are... Questionable, at best.
I think Star Trek (the original series): Doomsday Machine could be interpreted that way.
Spock spoke of a war from long ago, that both parties no longer exist, but a war of innumerable distances works equally well. A war between Borg and the makers of the Doomsday Machine.
Justin H it's a novel, not canon. Anything CBS/Paramount decided to do with the Borg now can change the origin story.
Reference books, novels, and tech manuals aren't canon, they're licensed for the companies to produce Trek merchandise.
I always found the Borg played upon the same fears that were explored in especially the first Terminator. "They can't be reasoned with, they can't be bargained with, they feel no remorse or pity."
Just like the Daleks. The Daleks were conceived by science-fiction writer Terry Nation and first appeared in the 1963 Doctor Who serial The Daleks
they were explored before that with any zombie flick you can mention
This has been the most comprehensive & in-depth history of the Borg I've seen... I've been watching Star Trek ever since I can remember my Dad watching it. Nicely done!
This is going to blow your mind, but.... they aren't even real. Someone made it all up!
One of the best narrated videos I have ever watched about the subject keep up the good work
Borg Origin movie would be awesome.
Star trek
The First Assimulation
Love it. Great title.
Perhaps, the new Picard show will cover this. I hope.
Borigins
@@Ralphieboy or the borginning
Paul Kachur GOOD one
7of9: Resistance is futile.
Me: Who's resisting?
💯😂
Her..Resistance is futile....
Me..I'm in...
@@MrRar66 and everything not compliant is irrelevant.
ROFLMFAO!! Who would, with that gorgeous ASS of 7 of 9...
Yeah boi
Just FYI...I have read hundreds and hundreds of Star Trek novels. The Borg, according to one of the novels I read initially were a forced combination of a sentinent machine race known as the Cailiar. At one point the NX-02 under the command of Erika Hernandez were thrown through some anomaly (I don’t recall exactly what) back in time to the Cailiars home planet, where they crashed. The met up with the machine race folks and found out they were dying off. The cailiar were desperate and one faction of them forced some kind of combination between themselves and a few members of the crew of the NX-02. And the borg were born...there is a lot more to the story, and I looked briefly for the novels to reference for you, but I have to many and gave up looking. If I find in the future I will let you know for your own reference.
It's the Destiny novels. Oh yes, very aware :)
Guinan was alive with Mark Twain in the late 1800's and early 1900's. I believe in that episode, she mentions to Picard about the Borg.
Nice work. Very detailed. Somewhere around 8:16 you say the El-Aurians didn't get to earth till something like 2293 (because the Borg scattered them), though Guinan was on earth in 19th century San Fransisco, in that TNG episode Time's Arrow.
Wasn't she in the old west when Data travelled back in time too?
Fist full of data's took place on the holodeck
Oh, was that the shoot out with Warf? I was hoping they'd have Warf sport the cowbow hat in other episodes... maybe have his bro make fun of it or something :)
Warf could enter a meeting, Troy and Riker exchanging a look with that knowing smile. Then Picard clears his throat and pretends nothing is weird.
Or maybe a mission on a desert planet, and aproaching the transporter platform Picard stops Warf with a look. Warf explains, "Sun protection, sir." Picard replies, "Ah yes, of course. Carry on."
I dunno. Lot's of funny scenes that can be imagined with Warf.
schitlipz It's not 'Warf.' It's 'Worf.'
I had always hoped that the Borg had started out in a not so scary way. Such as some small world in the Delta Quadrant had started experimenting with cybernetic parts. Such as replacing an eye with some type of better vision mechanical parts. Or a chip in the brain to store things or to understand different languages. And over time it got out of hand or some AI/computer virus took over and created the more machine driven Borg.
Uncle: That is an excellent premise for a Borg movie. And it is quite possible that the Borg were peaceful at one time. Recall the Borg Queen telling Data, "I bring order to Chaos". What if the Borg Queen is not actually Borg, but used and perverted the Borg into a predator species for her own agenda. Like Hillary Clinton highjacking the Democratic party for her own ambitions.
I think some cult or authoritarian nation-state like North Korea, China, or Russia used it to control their population. The "Queens" were just cloned, lieutenants to the leader at the time. Eventually the leader dies off or is killed off, leaving nothing but the hive.
Just give it time, with the fast rise of Artificial Intelligence and Genetic Engineering we will get there soon enough - To Become The Borg ! Just count the many artificial implants, like the heart, we have already ! Resistance to Becoming Borg is Futile !
yes yes down with Killary !!!
That would be far too scarier premise as it seems to be the way we're currently heading.
The Borg Wars, now THAT is a storyline i would watch
One of the better videos related to the series. Right on. Good job 👏
Amazing job you did ! Thanks for stitching this all together
The # of assimilated species doesn't necessarily correspond with their age, at least not 1:1; not all species they've encountered have been worth assimilating, they only assimilate if they find something unique that would be beneficial to the Borg.
Right. In one episode, seven talks about species 116 where she comments that 116 was never assimilated...yet. They seem to simply give any species they encounter a number to designate them instead of a full name. They probably have far less than 10,000 assimilated species especially since they only assimilate what they find useful.
Also.. There has to be a great number of species in the univserse... Pending on what theory one have regarding life in universe even 10.000 seems like a lot.... And as you said... it has to be benefits for assimilation
@@martinbertilsson1654 not all species must be intelligent. Animals on earth are species too. I guess it depends on system architecture. It may differ how some species have effect on a system. It maybe on different levels as hierarchy. Or it maybe dynamic graph depending on circumstances.
they only consider humanoid species for assimilation, and only number them as such. any humanoid species they encounter, they give a number, see if they are worth assimilating, move on if not, try to assimilate them all if they show technological or physiological advantages or something along those lines. For example, if they went on earth and went for a hike or whatever and found all the wildlife here, my guess is they might label them as 5618-1, 5618-2, 5618-3, and so on for each creature they find. i doubt they would hike around and take note of species and see if any could be assimilated, because they would be assimilating and destroying earth. btw, species 5618 is human, if you forgot. but man, a bord centipede would be scary as h311. please remember, this is my guess and theory, but if you cant disprove it, please dont try to argue with me, i came here to learn more, we all probably did. so if this adds to your theory, cool! if not, okay!
@@warpspeed8305 they might only consider sentient species for assimilation as well as semi-humanoid. that makes sense.
You should include books in your research of Star Trek “canon.” David Mack’s “Destiny” trilogy covers the beginnings of the Borg all the way to the Borg’s absorption by a higher species.
_Destiny_ contradicts and is contraindicated by on-screen canon.
A lengthy trilogy, with some good narrative and interesting characterization. But overall it's a juvenile exaggeration of too many things in too many ways, written to read like a Hollywood script of a bad superhero comicbook.
Ill take book cannon over tv/movie cannon for anything generally. The borg and mass effects reapers would get along nicely.
Jump forward to 2381 in the Books and you have the end of the Borg at the hands of the Caeliar who also unwittingly had a hand in their creation. Of course the new Star Trek: Picard ignores all that and instead follows up on what Voyager and Future Janeway did.
That would the Caeliar who inadvertently created the Borg almost a thousand years ago. With a little tweaking, the series COULD fall within the established canon.
@@pwnmeisterage With a little tweaking, the series COULD become canon.
While the Borg is fictional, I have absolutely no doubt the challenge of a Borg type civilisation is a very dynamic and real threat to human civilisation.
If you love the Borg, read the Star Trek: Destiny book. It is a collection of 3 books, that explain the Borg, and brings all the different shows together. Star Trek Enterprise (Different Ship, same era), TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Its a wonderful book.
great book
atomicdeath10 yup, great story but not officially canon.
species 8472 was never assimilated. the nano probes would not work in them. so your theory that the species numbers are species they have assimilated is wrong. it is the order of the species they have encountered.
other than that fact it was really good.
I thought it was said in the episode "Scorpion" that Species 8472 was the first species they'd failed to assimilate? (Don't quote me on that)
+Lady Piggy
But if designation numbers would equal assimilated civilisations, why should they ever give a number to 8472? You're right though, 8472 were the first (and, as far as we know, the only ones) they could not assimilate.
Species 8472 is the 8472 specie that borg encounterd they number every species.
you are so right! Seems like i wasn't the only one!
"worthy" of assimilation. i bet they really really wanted to.
I've seen some other explanations of the origins of the Borg and yours seems to be the best one!
Worth noting:
The thing that motivated me to watch Star Trek in the first place was a Doctor Who crossover comic series that played on the similarities between the Borg and the Cybermen. It was amazing seeing how these very rich, very detailed characters interacted with Amy, Rory, and The Doctor. And so I watched all the TNG films, and First Contact is what encouraged me to watch the TNG show, and I have been utterly in love with Star Trek since! Ironically, Data is my favourite character, and he is sorta the opposite of the Borg, because the Borg seek to become perfect and uniform, whereas Data seeks to become more flawed and to have a rich human personality.
One of the most well thought out analysis of the Borg. Well Done.
Thank you!
By chance, how did you find us here?
Is it just me? or would anyone else like to have seen even one Borg cube go up against the Jem'Hadar? :)
Hello. You may wish to know that the Borg's origins were already explained in the expanded universe novels that were published after Star Trek Nemesis. Because Nemesis underperformed, novels were written to continue the setting, and there were a lot of them. These novels eventually culminate in a final showdown between the Borg and the united forced of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants. During these novels, the Borg's origin was told, and it links back to the Enterprise era. Go ahead and look up these novels, there were some good stories there, and they took EVERYTHING and brought it all together for some great storytelling!
Arthur Dotson yet not canon, just great stories.
History of the borg:
In the beginning they were cool and threating... but then they made the borg queen to have someone Janeway could mud wrestle with. And from then all goes to shit.
L0LWTF1337 I am of the mind that the Borg Queen kind of watered down the Borg a bit. But the Unimatrix issue, the war with 8472...I think some of the post-First Contact Borg elements made them a little more interesting, yes?
Tin Watchman
This was Voyager the only time the Borg became look weak was at the last episode where they used technology from the future. The rest of the time they used tricks to fight them because of this Borgs called human cunning. The true is even after this episode the federation wasn't strong enough to push back a full invasion, so buying time is still the best strategy.
L0LWTF1337 i think the queen is fine...werent the borg chaotic before they assimilated the species that the queen is from, which has a unique telepathic ability capable of sorting through many minds and thoughts, which gave them the cohesion they have...or is that memory beta canon, i forget
L0LWTF1337
Janeway and Borg Queen mud wrestling? I would pay to see that!
Tr4newreck I always assumed t borgs minds were all cyberneticly linked due to mere mechanical means like via radio waves or like how my phone is connected to Utube. Surely they can do this. They do have enuf mechanical parts.
Always wanted to know more about them. Still don’t know how they started. But this was informative and entertaining. Thanks.
Seven of nine was the closest the Borg ever got to perfection. 😋
I heard THAT! 😍
And she is going to be the new queen..
If something is worth doing at all, it is worth doing correctly.
The chances of species from hundreds of different galaxies and planets all being able to use the exact same gravity and the exact same breathing atmosphere are a trillion to one. Every species uses speech to communicate, eyes to see with? Everyone has two eyes, two arms, two ears, two legs. Yeah, that's highly likely. Rather than use CGI to create logically credible aliens, let's treat the audience as if they were retarded children, and make every alien into a humanoid. Just slap on some cheap rubber bullshit mask and a dollar store halloween costume, no one will notice! After all, we are stupid, lazy, greedy and disrespectful. The only important rule in Hollywood is GET PAID--- so we can snort more co>caine while fuck>ing little boys up the as>shole. Why create SF that reflects LOGIC? It is all about the MONEY, so we can take more dr>ugs, and ra?pe more little boys.
SF fans are worthless mindless weak sheep scum. They will eat up any dogshit we shovel out.
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They will eat up any dogsh:it we shovel out.
They will eat up any dogshi:t we shovel out.
They will eat up any dogs"hit we shovel out.
SF fans are worthless mindless weak sheep scum. Let's ra:pe them for every penny they have.
Paramount Executive:
SCIENCE fiction? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! "Science", oh god, I can't stop laughing, pass me the coca:ine, and get me a fresh boy to r"ape...............Science!...... AS IF!......gag, chuckle................
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Oh, "its just a TV show?" No, it is MONEY and hours of your limited life you can never get back.
I love that the actress who played the Big Tit:s Empath character has gone public about how STUPID and irrational and pointless and shitty her role was.
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Genuinely good SF takes an unusual premise, then extrapolates LOCICALLY, in a linear fashion, to tell a story that answers "what if" in a manner that does not insult the intelligence of the audience.
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Why does this matter? Because every trailer trash retard can hold up Star Trek and say "That them there "science stuff" about evolution and Covid is just LIES, look at how DUMB "science" is"
YOU are the reason SF su"cks. You keep eating the dogsh"it, making things bad for everyone.
Oh, "its just a TV show?" No, it is MONEY and hours of your limited life you can never get back. You are making stupid, dishonest evil people RICH
@@noneone8726 - Sounds like SOMEONE'S SF pilot script got turned down...😆
@@noneone8726 there’s a whole lot of crazy in that head of yours isn’t there.
In my opinion the story origin of the Borg is the original series episode Return of the Archons. Everyone on this planet obeyed the will of Landru, a centralized computer consciousness (like the Queen) controlling the hive (the "body").
I'd like to add that just because a species has a designation number, doesn't mean that species was necessarily assimilated. Case in point: Species 8472 there's been no evidence that any of that species was assimilated (quite the contrary actually) yet they have a designation number.
Other than that, great video and my girl rolled her eyes at me while I watched it.
Actually, since there's never been a definitive explanation of the Borg species designation system, it's possible the Borg only give numbers to species worthy of it's attention. In the video Seven of Nine mentions a primitive species that was assimilated solely for it having legends about a potential weapon. While Species 8472 was never assimilated, its military and technological power obviously made it a species the Borg WANTED to assimilate.
It's entirely possible the Borg have encountered and wiped out entire species without giving them a designation because they had nothing the Borg found valuable. These species wouldn't have been given a designation because, from the Borg perspective, they were irrelevant.
@@cdevil9488 The Borg would just ignore irrelevant species. You might get swatted aside if you physically get in the path of a Borg ship... but other than that, you simply aren't a threat, aren't of any use, and thus aren't worth the time to even think about. There'd have to be a good reason to wipe them out.
@@cdevil9488 Didn't the species that they found unworthy of assimilation have a number?
Dump her
@@stephendevore That was the Kazon, and they did have a number, so CDevil's assumption doesn't necessarily ring true.
One of the crew on the bridge of enterprise in the clip shown at the start is in a few different star trek series. They are in voyager a few times like during the viyager episode where they all get memories of a massacre and janeway comforts him in the mess hall. He is also stood behind tuvok when neelix says goodbye and keaves the ship. He has served on more ships and been in more series than anyone else. He was in the delta quadrant with voyager at the battle of 001 against the borg and plenty if other places.
Seven's statement that their memory from 900 years ago is fragmentary means that it is split up, not tightly organized etc.
Which just implies that too old memories are not as clear to the collective.
Which makes sense, if you make an analogy of if the drones are our neurons, their regeneration is sleep, and the collective is a whole brain. Not everything is preserved
You did a fine job of research to come up with this Borg timeline. As a Star Trek Fan for over 50 years, I found you evaluation, "intriguing."
I have a theory(and it is only that), that species 001 would have used tech on themselves to try to live longer, but as time went on the tech took over more of the brain power and craved more information, so while on a scouting mission, they met species 002, they would not share the knowledge or the tech, so 001 captured some of 002 fitted them up with file transfer tech, took the knowledge from them, and felt that was making them stronger, move on a few and somewhere down the line maybe by 010 they acquired nano tech, thus creating the ability to assimilate with ease and so the story continues as they gain mow knowledge and power they grow stronger by the time they get to species 100 they are now looking for perfection and resistance is futile.
The nanotechnology could have been the source.
Maybe the queen was a just a scientist who strived for perfection and immortality in an even more perverted way than the chinese do and she invented and programmed the nanobots, starting the hive all on her own, inspired on both nature and technology.
To me that seems the simplest and most obvious solution, explaining the most.
And see, THAT is a Star Trek Anthology type story that I would love to see or read. Let's see the fucked up DC Comics Lobo type character that lobotomized her entire species simply for the goal of turning them into cultural acquisition zombies for the purpose of Imperialism. Borgs are basically the absolute Imperialist ideal.
Visit far away places. See exotic peoples. Carve out their insides and turn their skin a homogenous grey. Ignore their rights and individuality. Make them "stronger" and use the entire population to propagate and repeat. It's Imperialism perfected. Nothing about the newly encountered culture is respected or retained. Previous culture is wiped out. The doctrine of the dominant species is the only thing considered to be of any value.
My question is: "To what ultimate end?"
Say the Borg actually absorb every other species in the galaxy. Or fuck it. Say the universe. What's the point? Are they just trying to build the best star map ever? Who is going to use it? Why would they bother when everything looks the same? Are they trying to survive the eventual collapse of the universe into another? Is there some religious belief about GOD simply being the state of all beings in a universe being of one mind? Is there some greater prophesy of an enemy from another reality or dimension that will destroy us unless we are all united? Did the Borg assimilate the mind of God and determine that the world was Nihilistic nightmare that required all things to struggle and die in order to bring significance to existence in the first place? I am dyyyyyyyying to know. Shit. Maybe I should write it.
if species 001 used technology to extend life cycles,then the alpha quadrant specie which attempted steal the starfleet starship flag vessal enterprise D,in 2364,for urgent survival needs,but eventually helped ,by federation ,for repair of planet wide cyborg(electronic-technology-organic) computer network,would have been as powerful as the borg artificial consciousness,which was transformed into revolutionary utilization of fusional use of combination of artificial borg attributes(program consciousness with electronic technology),melted assimilation with organic attributes,(advanced technology;desired organic physical features of discovered species,such as long lifespans,etc.;and advanced organic brain features,such as telekinesis,telepathy,etc.)the borg consciousness,from over 1000 years ago,needed an organic specie for creation!
official canon states that the queen was a multiple copies of an assimilated specie ,which extremely advanced,but the females of that specie was excellent exceptionally mental superior,from any previous species which the borg had pre contacted,therefore,the ,(unintentionally corrupted by android civilization after accidental trap through wormhole ---),earth human probe v'ger(voyager),which occured a short time span before corrupted human probe voyager decided to return to earth.these artificial multicopies of the chosen assimilated advanced specie's female,would serve as physical primary field generals(or versatile links ,such as starbases,deep space stations,and interstallar trade routes,were united federation of planets)the earth human probe NOMAD,in 1960s' tos star trek was corrupted accidentally,with nomad's programming being changed from exploration,into extermination of "diseases" which was trillions of humanoid life,and genocidal path back to earth,before nomad corrupted probe was destroyed,but corrupted VOYAGER,(V'GER),PROGRAMMING WAS FORCED ASSIMILATION OF TECHNOLOGY,WITH ORGANIC ASSIMILATION OF ALL ORGANIC HUMANIOD LIFEFORMS,PRACTICALLY,GENOCIDE ,OF CULTURE,TECHNOLOGY,AND LIVING DEATH OF AN ENTIRE SPECIE,
therefore,the borg collective would have the power attempt continued assimilation of parallel universes,mirror universes,alternate universes,then ,possibly ,anti matter negative universes.if any of the one universe monolithic gods,within each other limitless universes,decided not to stop the borg collective,or if a multiverse entity,such as anti monitor,celestials,the darkness,star wars' abalox,or marvel's one above all,etc.!why has not the q continium stopped the criminal damage of q's created contact of the borg with the federation,before borg was suppose to contact federation,because earth human created probe corrupted voyager decided to return back star trek earth,after solidly programming borg collective mandate,for continued assimilation,in first feature film for star trek ,in 1980.Q showed starfleet captain picard that he could prevent humanity's existence,in 1994 star trek tng series' finale,by physically taking picard back 4 billion years into earth's past,to stop organic natural development of earth's lifeforms---dinosaurs,then post meteorite strike apocalypse allowance of mammal lifeform development,which eventually evolved into sub human then modern human,etc.!the q continium could violate their own law to finally stop the borg collective.if no other powerful lifeform,(cosmic origin,celestial origin,or whatever),takes action to protect the positive multiverse from the borg collective,assimilation of the positive matter omniverse(universes).
This was awesome!
Well done in explaining the Borg timeline.
Just a minor flaw in your thinking: just because the borg had only assimilated a handful of systems in the vaadwar's time doesn't mean they weren't around far longer. Assimilation is basically a military campaign. The borg could have been spreading without assimilating before then.
plus guinan literally says they have been around thousands of centuries, how could he misinterpret that
I like the Treks, and have watched them, as a general fan, but learning of the Borg with a timeline was very cool to watch! Very cool! Thank you !
I might be missing something, but at 2:14 Guinan said that the Borg "...are made up of organic AND artificial life which has been developing for 1000s of centuries", so she doesn't just refer to the components of the Borg but to their current combination (because the Borg = organic + artificial life, and this combination (which is the Borg themselves) has has been developing for 1000s of centuries). Why do you say that she doesn't technically refer to the Borg? I'm not questioning the other evidence that you've presented, only this interpretation of Guinan's statement. Could you please clarify? Thank you.
I agree "they" are too big to follow comment sections let alone answer like it's a customer service job. "They" make videos and get paid per view&time watched.
"they" are all around us, and control our lives
A birthday and a home town. So perfectly phrased!!!!!
I really loved how much personality they gave to the Cardassians as the the show went on, even though they were supposed to be the bad guys. Furthermore, the entire realpolitik theme of this show made it very compelling.
This is geek gold here, had my attention since I never konsidered the chronological history of the Borg beside the tidbits through the seasons, nice
For me the borgs are a way of Star Trek to say I love you to doctor who, as cybermen are one of the many villains in this British TV series, and they are very similar
Thankyou for briefly throwing in the V ger scenario
Awesome video! Excellent effort to gether such knowledge! Bravo.
Very nice analysis! Some of my thoughts. First the growth rate is most likely exponential as this holds for most growth processes (e.g. human population) And second not all encountered species were assimilated.
True, but we know intelligent species can receive a designation before being assimilated.
I do have issue with the designation numbers being used to date the Borg, as I see the Collective as a cultural feature that could post date the early existence of the Borg civilization. Species designation numbers could have started at the time of the Borg's loss of history, as a way of cataloguing what humamoid species they knew. That means up to 90% of previously known species would not be part of that system.
pretty good breakdown overall good research and development
Fun video! This is not an “um actually” comment, but more of an additional piece of the puzzle to deciphering the Borgs history. I suppose you were going for the average numbers of assimilated species over time. However, it’s likely there would be an exponential growth model. The bigger the borg are the easier it would be for them to encounter more species. Then as you mentioned once they’d assimilated transwarp tech it was basically game over..
Also, this video inspired me to think about the “borg problem” in ways I’d never considered! Lol, the fragmentation of early borg memory could very well be from a lack of a central collective or some other specific technologies that had yet to be assimilated. The borg don’t innovate they absorb unless I’m missing context from only having seen the TV shows. It could honestly be something as silly as a cube, assuming they even had that model of ship at the time, needed to actually interact with their home world through even our modern long range communications technologies to transfer the collective memory of a single cube into the main collective. It’s unlikely that a machine based system would start as a group of individuals once they crossed over into being borg vs whatever they were before they were borg.. maybe it was trend that organic beings thought was cool on some planet and over a generation these proto-borg turned on their none borg neighbors to the borg side. Perhaps these were even still individuals on some level (imagine 1000 Data androids mostly void of emotions, but still technically individuals), and it was a later technological advances that formed the collective as we understand it.. the possibilities are endless!
Thanks again!
I'm a casual Star Trek fan. I didn't know they discovered Borg wreckage from the events in First Contact. That's pretty cool.
9 months late, but yes. It happened in the "Enterprise" series, apparently another timeline from all other series. Funny thing too, they talk about Dr. Zefram Cochrane stating he was visited by people from the future, before he disappeared.
Enterprise is in the original timeline (afaik) but it takes place around 150 years before TOS.
nobody knew
well done sir, well done, I'll be back for more that's for sure.......
+Gregory Creswell Thank you very much for the endorsement =) Welcome aboard! There is plenty more coming down the pipeline.
Hi really liking your videos. Can you post a video about genetic enigeering in light of the development of gene editing and how it relates to the Star Trek universe with characters like Dr Bashir, Khan and the eugenics wars
+Trekspertise
Well, species numbers represents only order of encounters. it's not seqence of conqering.
Excellent. Well done.
there was a star trek novel and it basically had the origin of the borg in it. i can't recall the title right now and the book is packed somewhere, but it was basically a civilization sick from disease and pollution. they were replacing body parts, etc to try and stay alive but they were on their way to extinction. they ended up using some sort of network/a.i. or something and yah, it was implied this was the origin of the borg. i did a shit job of explaining this, so if i find the book again, i'll edit this with the title. was really good.
Im an instant subscriber may your channel live long and prosper
Already subscribed a while back, your ch is now part of my collective ! Great break down vid, it's possible and probable that the Borg went thru may phases and even differences in agenda and maybe even some civil war scenarios between factions, reducing information libraries, not to mention attacks by other races w var levels of success, some regions maybe being entirely wiped out or even large sections being eliminated and only a small % surviving by leaving that area to restart the collective, the human race has had this happen several times, almost being wiped out based on what experts ( I use that term loosely) have discovered in our DNA picture across the earth. Keep up the good work !
Thank you! My fav Trek aliens explained!
a thought that I once discussed with lore reloaded & that this review of things help me remember is in enterprise regeneration that maybe it wasn't just the location of earth but also giving them some knowledge of future tech
and with borg being mentioned in star trek:picard your video becomes EVEN more relevant
This is a great video that sums up the timeline of the lore very nicely. The only criticism I'd offer is that the assumption that all the numbered species were assimilated is hopeful, as they never assimilated 8472 and probably only encountered parts of some species (such as a transport vessels or deep space missions or alike). Also the math used to average out the species per year, would more than likely be exponential given the nature of the borg's organic method of growth or More Borg = More assimilation Therefore, the initial slow rate is due to less exposure and when more species were assimilated the more 'ground' was covered by the collective.
Any vessels they encountered would have records of their homeworlds, and likely also astrometric charts of other species' homeworlds (trade, war, etc.). Each species would lead to at least two others, allowing for exponential growth.
The use of averages is just that, averages to establish a paradigm of "productivity" not an actual fixed number. However i do agree that the species are numbered by encounter and not necessarily by assimilation as you state 8472 was not assimilated, and 7 of 9 (Voyager) on more than one occasion stated that some species were of "no value" physically and technologically and were not assimilated, but merely destroyed (an insinuation, not outright declaration of destruction). I also agree with the general theory that the rate of expansion was likely exponential.
I disagree with this idea that the Borg destroyed those species who were considered of no value. At one point, 7 described the Kazon as being primitive and considered by the Borg as "unworthy of assimilation". The fact that the Kazon were doing fine in their part of the quadrant suggests that the Borg merely ignored them.
Great video. Facts, calcutated details and backround stories, well done.
ps.: Seeing the Borg with that opening music, made me cringe :D Imagine u get hailed by the Borg "We are the Borg, resistence is futile!" (you hear that backround music on the Borg Cube 0:01)
Great editing to the music!
There is a 3 set book collection, Star Trek Destiny, by David Mack, which is all about how 'The Borg' came into existence, an absolutely fantastic read for any trekkie, book 1 is called Gods Of Night, book 2 is Mere Mortals, and book 3 is Lost Souls
Excellent book series! I've read it twice!
M'kay, assimilation is okay I guess ;)
Nice synthesis!
Thanks! Welcome aboard =)
Really loved this
Pissed me off they killed Hugh in Placate, I mean Picard.
Don't worry, it's not the real Hugh from TNG. The Hugh you saw die was from the Kurtzman universe.
Hopefully will bring back in season 2, they go back in time to “Fix” past...
-"I am Trekspertise, of TH-cam. Your front page, at it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will watch, us. Resistance, is futile."
Lol, im going to steal this and never mention it again and use it as material for my yt channel once i can get goddamn obs to work because i cant optimise it for shet
I loved your research on this amazing ! glad you showed veegr
Hands down the most frightening?
What about species 8472?
Love the channel.
Your videos always shine. Thank you. Given that in Picard Season 1, a great deal more of the Borg's story was shown to us, do you plan to update what you've outlined so far?
Thinking about it. Should we?
The Borg are terrifying because they spread, and they adapt. What makes them less scary is their vector of transmission. I would be more scared of them if the nanobots they spread were airborn and assimilated literally everything they touched.
Some of the games have given them this sort of thing. Armada 2, for instance, has them assimilate planets from space via beams from special ships. Star Trek Online has them assimilate even the air of a planet via spores and the like(Though I'm hazy on the details).
For species that is supposed to be so good at adapting, it always surprised me how unimaginative the Borg were with how they attacked and assimilated.
They DID develop airborne assimilation. 7of9 was ordered to configure the virus for humans at the end of Dark Frontier part 2 but she refused.
Anything thinking the Borg are scary should have a Lobotomy
Only retards couldn't defeat the Borg in combat!
I think humanoids of the Star Trek universe see the Borg drones collective as a species when really the nanoprobes are the Borg species.They are what binds all the assimilated species together.
I consider myself a Trekker, but I just noticed this channel today. SUBBED!!!!
+Sitizen Kane Welcome aboard!
I don't think species designations represent order of species assimilated but rather the order in which they have simply been encountered or became aware of, given that the Borg were likely unable to assimilate an individual belonging to Species 5973 (particle lifeforms) and 8472, which of course gave them so much trouble. If we include lesser/non-canon Star Trek works*, we could additionally include Species 29 (the long-dead Iconians) and 1732 (the Q), which would also not reasonably be able to be assimilated.
* Including the non-canon works introduces other issues such as Species 775 (dogs have a lower species number than humans?) and 95012 (the Pakleds with a ridiculously high number).
Now with Star Trek : Picard we see the cube and seven of nine. We can see it damaged the collective to the point ships became disconnected from the hive with the virus from Alternative time line Admiral Janeway . Love the discussion and subscribed
Damn, this is a really good video!
Plank Hill Dude. Thank you! This pleases me =)
Plank Hill I agree. Finally, a fresh take on the Borg's history (for me at least).
Trekspertise Good job ! Way more detail than I expected. But one thing you missed is that the Borg assimilate those species worthy of assimilation. So why assimilate the Enterprise if the Borg have higher technology ? Maybe they want every detail, or maybe they are just looking for more raw material, in both metal, fuel, and manpower. So would they assimilate the Earth in 2000 ? Why before warp ? Makes a good story anyway.
Do they pass up equal and lower technology if they have plenty of resources ? Always bugged me why Earth before warp drive but one of the best of the series movies. If only they would make another like DS9 with really good stories.
Tony Johnson The Borg also seem to highly value species that could pose a serious threat to them... As the Federation racks up victories against the Borg, they move up the list of assimilation priority. After repelling the second invasion attempt, the Borg queen decides humanity is too dangerous to the Collective and assimilation of their species becomes more important than their technology.
Jonathan Stuart Where do you get this from, one of the Star Trek books ? Either that or you have inside info, know some of the writers, or should be one yourself.
Since you seem to be an expert on Star Trek, maybe get everyone to make a new series with really good story writing like DS9. Maybe the DS9 and Babylon 5 writers can get together. Both had the best characters of any show. There is nothing even close on TV today.
Use your subscribers to promote a new spinoff with some really good writers. Yes, I know not much chance but given the ideas they do today they are clearly out of ideas so how about take off with the new reboot movie into a weekly. Or better, long story with 60 minute or longer with episodes designed for HBO, Netflix, Showtime like Game of Thrones, ETC. And no commercials. I can wish at least !
With the cost of cable the Sci-Fi channel should do it commercial free !
It's so refreshing to hear our Vulcan friends embracing the primitive medium of TH-cam.
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A very interesting and detailed video.
Very interesting, thanks. How sure are we though that the makers of the show were even thinking about the species numbers they gave out and the consequences they would have for the Borg timeline?
"Four Borg and Seven Years ago..."
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Amazing clarity, even with my ADHD I understood it, like trek for dummies thanks :P
I'm glad this video is helpful to non-trekkies :) I found it interesting myself
why would your apparent ADHD stop you from comprehending an idea? you seem to use your inherent ability as a negative aspect when you should be proud. People with ADHD would have been vastly useful in the era of hunter gatherers as they would have the energy to keep hunting or be alert to predation. respect who you are and stop labelling yourself.
Sounds like you think it's something else, it's a huge terrible disability since you can't concentrate @ all & your mind constantly wanders off & have terrible memory problems = bad grades in school but the drug for it has changed failing students to passing ones but I don't want to take any RX
Studies show that people who suffer from ADHD have a greater moral compass. So ... That´s good I think.
If the book “The Return” is considered cannon, then the V’ger (Voyager) Probe had discovered the primitive Borg home world. And it was the Borg who sent it back to complete its mission.
My thinking too. I always thought V'ger was the beginning of the Borg as we know it
Wow! I love the analysis of time line and methodology. As bad as they are they don’t truly destroy you, physically. They just add your body and mind to hive mind. Innoway he would be learning about thousands of other cultures as you were sit out to live your own life.