False Things You've Been Believing About Star Trek
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- With over 50 years of success, “Star Trek” has gained some very untrue urban legends and myths about it. Now, you’re probably thinking you’re impervious to lies and rumors because you are a true “Star Trek” fan. After all, being a true Trekkie is more than just knowing the difference between Data and Spock. Sure, you might be fluent in Klingon, and, yes, you probably also know how often Vulcans procreate (every seven years, for those wondering).
But even the truest of fans can be misled. Between famous phrases that no one actually ever said and deliberate lies the show itself tells, here are some false facts about “Star Trek” you always thought were true.
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A future without religion | 0:00
The All-New Next Generation? | 1:59
A future of Equality | 3:56
No conflict in the crew? | 5:27
Redshirts must die! | 6:46
The golden years? | 8:13
Chekov’s Soviet origins | 9:08
“Misquote me, Scotty.” | 10:24
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The red shirt theory is simple: they were the security officers so they had to put themselves in the line of danger. Comparing red to blue to gold is like comparing police to doctors to executives.
Ok, but the point is, are doctors and executives as likely to be killed as police officers? Apparently, a random red shirt was just as likely to be killed as a random blue shirt, and, exactly because they were the security force, it, if true, is surprising.
If I remember correctly, red was also the color security wore.
@@izd4 True enough, the number of medical casualities probably depends of where you are deploying the bulk of your military personnel. At the frontlines or at a heavily manned facility behind the lines. But it is surprising that, while Kirk mobilizes red shirts every time he gets near something potentially f
dangerous, the blue shirt population of the ship is being devastated too.
Speaking as a former Air Force Security Specialist, I am surprised about how poor security is aboard the Enterprise.
Scotty and the engineering crew wore red shirts, possibly related to the fact that in the U.S. Navy, engineering
rates E3 and below wear rate patches with red stripes.
ST: Discovery is so badly written, directed and acted that I refuse to accept it as canon.
Good for you, you little incel douche.
ajmittendorf According to story in STD: woman named Michael was punished for mutiny and what's next? She tell captain what to do. Seriously?
Same for Star Trek: Picard, tbh
@@user-oi8qx7ig4c Yup. I agree.
@@ajmittendorf Mr. Rodenberry is spinning in his Grave T^T
One of the best lines is in "Who Mourns for Adonais" when Kirk says "Mankind has no need for gods. We find the one quite adequate."
right. or the reading of the deceleration of independence where Kirk really hits the god line.
I don't understand the monotheism supremacy. Portraying "sun worshippers" so literally is very strong bit of religious intolerance against polytheistic people. I'd rather have the atheist show than a hypocritical monotheist one.
@@LethalBubbles I don't think it's intolerance to see degrees of religious development. By the same token, I wouldn't call atheists intolerant--just wrong.
@@bobbyrne8591 I don't think you're remembering correctly. Kirk, in The Omega Glory, reads the preamble to the Constitution, which doesn't mention God. Are you referring to something else?
Yes, Shatner was inferred the Judeo-Christian god. Keep in mind that episode was first aired in 1967, and Kirk wasn't really getting into a theological discussion with "Apollo", whose identity he's not convinced of anyway, he was simply emphasizing that mankind had progressed beyond a need for some pantheon of deities with their quirks and issues.
The best running quote, "He's dead, Jim."
No my favorite line is dammnot spock im.a dr not a .....!
Dr. McCoy actually does say that line in the the TV show, once and only once.
“You take his tricorder; I’ll get his wallet. . .”
He's dead Jim
Jim he's dead
Dead Jim
Dead
Dr. McCoy never really says that. He just says, "He's dead."
In the original Pilot with Captain Pike, he says "I can't get used to a woman on the bridge"
The thing that almost every piece of propaganda about this episode leaves out, is immediately after he says that, she verbally smacks him up. Why do people leave this out every time? It's a bad line from a Captain that should know better, but it was meant to send a message to the public about serving with women, and what to expect, and to expect them to fight you back if you speak out against them... Gotta remember the time period, and that for that time, that was a really progressive move.
It's a bad line that was cut out in The Menagerie
always people, idiotically, try to apply today's mores to a time decades ago. For it's day (mid-60's) it was a "progressive" (a puke word for me) show. "Woman's lib" had not even happened yet, at the time of the pilot for the original series. At least the cast's women were "naval officers and gentlemen" in Star Trek and not stuck in the kitchen 24/7 (where some may still think they should be) wearing peals whilst they baked cookies for their little urchins!
@@ronschlorff7089 Word Dude. Shitting on something that was made decades ago and trying to be progressive, for the time, shows a lack of Intelligence to me. Roddenberry did as much as the executives would let him get away with. People forget that he had to fight to have Black and Asian characters on the show. As to LGTB on the latter shows I grew up in the 80s and 90s. It was not like today at all. They got away with as much as they could at the time. Yeah some of it was a little cringy but so were the 80s and 90s. :) People forget that TV shows are made to make money and you can only push the boundaries so far before you alienate your audience. Something Discovery would learn if they pulled their heads out of the sand and paid some attention to their core audience. Marvel knows this and CBS/Bad Robot forgot it. If you make a good show for fans who watch the show for decades you can still tweak it to bring in a larger audience. Instead they look down their noses on the core fanbase as "nerds" and make badly written SCIENCE Fiction. You can't gloss over Science and Lore in a show like Star Trek, the fans notice.
@@ronschlorff7089 I absolutely agree. people are starting to get angry that the (jewish) bible was sexist because it talked more about men, but it was written in a time when men were considered superior. I hate it when people look at/judge old/ancient medias with modern ideas
Although it could also have been a reflection of the times, as it often was - except disguised by science fiction...
One of my favorite lines was from Trouble With Tribbles where Nilz Baris calls Kirk and says the space station was swarming with Klingons and Kirk's response was I was not aware Mr. Baris that 12 Klingons constitutes a swarm. Classic!
Another myth is that Kirk was a massive "skirt chaser", when you watch the series and pay attention to that, it turns out that it's hardly excessive.
Exactly! He respected woman and was written that way
Spock actually, for all his logic, got quite a bit of "tail"! Despite being in a pre-arranged relationship that was "more than a betrothal, less than a marriage", and he was mad enough with blood-lust to kill his Captain, and hell, I'd have wiped out mine own C.O. to bang the lovely Arlene Martel ca. 1967, Spock was quite the "babe magnet!".
As for Kirk, there's only TWO instances where it's strongly implied (as late 60s TV would allow) that James Tiberius Kirk got his freak on. The first was in season two, on the "Roman" planet (Bread and Circuses), where the Proconsul (Logan Ramsey) has his lovely blond slave girl, Drusilla (Lois Jewell), give Kirk some "special attention", since, facing execution for being "dangerous" to the conservative Magna Roman political and social structure, but having gained his respect, it was deemed appropriate that Kirk spend what he'd thought would be his last few hours of life "as a man". The second time was in the third season episode, "Wink of an Eye", where the zippy Scalosians, whom moved so fast they couldn't be seen (funny that Kirk and Spock didn't think of rewinding the video and running it at SLOW speed to see what was going on), but in need of breeding stock as whatever's in the water is keeping the lovely Deela (Kathie Browne) from getting knocked up! Of course, whether Kirk is simply trying to gain his adversary's confidence in order to figure out how to thwart their plans, or, he LITERALLY wants a "Fast" blonde, is debatable. We see Kirk putting his shoes back on and Deela fixing her hair after an apparent tryst in Kirk's quarters.
Other than the two instances, James Tiberius Kirk was involved in serious, meaningful relationships, with attractive, competent, and self-sufficient woman that weren't simply "pumped and dumped". The last episode, arguably the worst, "Turnabout Intruder", ends with Kirk being literally forced to switch lives with a jilted lover; it can be inferred that he'd already seen, years before, that this gal was batshit crazy, filled with jealously and rage over her misconception that her failings were due to gender discrimination.
Captain Kirk is either genuinely in love with the women he's involved with, on good terms with his ex-girlfriends, or seducing the enemy in order to get out of a life-threatening situation (which is a pretty cool thing, since that's usually a female character's thing!)
He's respectful and charming - he doesn't take shit, and puts his duty first... I still don't understand how fans thought of him as a chauvinist who bangs green alien chicks and then nopes out in the morning.
Literally, in the episode where the Air Force pilot from the 60s gets onto the Enterprise, and they're walking through the hallway and pass a woman in command gold, and the pilot looks at Kirk and asks, "A woman?"
Kirk just says, "A crewman."
I mean, barring alien viruses, transporter malfunctions, and possession by weird lifeforms, Kirk doesn't even get involved with the people working under him - which shows the integrity of a guy who wouldn't want to take advantage of those under his command.
I don't think Kirk was so much as a skirt chaser as much as his character got the girl far more than any other character on the show. He was far more sexual than anyone else.
Sure wish I could do a "sling-shot" around the Sun to take me back in time before I clicked on this video.
This wins the comment section. Exactly.
Great point
That's a feature TH-cam will soon be adding.
Tough shit.....11 minutes and 53 wasted seconds are gone forever........Deal with it.
lmao
Having been in the Navy I pedantically wish some obvious Navy nods would ever be acknowledged. The color code based on job goes way back in the U.S. Navy. Red is engineering, white/Navy blue is operations and medical, green is aviation, light blue is construction. Gold and silver are used for command in different ways. These colors appear on the uniforms.
Also the "pip" ranking symbols in all the non TOS shows are taken directly from U.S. Navy symbols for officer ranks. Ex. Navy officer shoulder board insignia: Ensign has 1 stripe, Lt Junior Grade has 1 whole and 1 half as thick stripe. This then becomes 2 full stripes for Lieutenant, then 2.5 for Lt. Commander, 3 for Commander, etc. The Star Trek pips follow this pattern with 1 for Ensign, 4 for Captain,J.G. and Lt. Commander having vacant pips that fill in gold in the next rank. Although all U.S. military branches use the same symbol for officer rank levels, only the Navy (and subsequently the Coast Guard) use this secondary rank symbol system.
When Roddenberry was running it, though, he made his Starfleet way too top-heavy with officers. Yes, we see the 'crew' in the background, but there'd be daily interaction with chiefs and other senior enlisted. It's somewhat fixed in NextGen with O'Brien, but again, if he's a CPO, he'd be a SUPERVISOR himself. At least CPO Rhozenko, Worf's Russian father, is implied had some supervisory duties when active. And Spock should have been an EXECUTIVE OFFICER (XO), as they tried to do with "Number One", Majel Barrett's original role (but then again, she'd not be at the Nav console, would she?), at least with Riker, this is somewhat fixed in NextGen. Also, a "Yeoman" is not simply a term for a female enlisted member, but an actual rating (akin to a scribe or secretary), Janice Rand MIGHT have been properly addressed so, as she effectively functions as Kirk's "Girl Friday", but other "Yeomen", like the lovely Theresa Ross ("The Squire of Gothos") would likely be of far more diverse ratings, or even Tamura in "A Taste of Armageddon", whom seems to function as security and can handle the Eminian lady Mea 3 (Barbara Babcock) quite easily.
A must take exception to your easy shot at Shatner’s “over-acting”. Yes, there are definitely some cringy moments, for sure, but Shatner made this, what could have been a cartoonish, or a maudlin, show - believable and humorous. The subtleties of Kirk’s relationship with Spock is poetic and very much appreciated by many (even spawning the slash videos). Shatner could communicate much without so much as a word. Even, Takei says that he used to sit and watch Shatner in admiration. This trope is tiresome and untrue.
Shatner could be very silly at times. You know what else could be? TOS. Campiest star trek by a mile and honestly I can't imagine it without that camp or shatner's occasionally silly performances.
Hear, hear!
Agreed on all counts! And Shatner can do subtle and emotional just as well as he can do over the top. Just watch Spock's death scene, that's proof enough.
Remember at very the end of the The Man Trap episode. When Kirk is just sitting in the Captain's chair being pensive? And MCcoy asks him something and he says ''I was thinking of the the buffalo''. That was amazing acting. Made an impact.
@@RobespierreThePoof Haha, it seems so. I just think that it's hard to watch many episodes in the third season without wincing. Shatner gave it his all, even when the script and direction led to awful stuff. I'm not saying that the guy hasn't ever overacted or been cringey, I am tired of the easy dismissal of his considerable talents. He was well-loved by many of the sci-fi writers and contributed a lot to the show's success.
There was a Chapel on the Ship:
In 2266, the wedding of Angela Martine and Robert Tomlinson was scheduled to be held in the USS Enterprise's chapel, but the ceremony was interrupted by an alert. Later, after Tomlinson's death, Martine sought solace there. James T. Kirk offered her his comfort. (TOS: "Balance of Terror")
Sorry I post this before I saw the thing about "Balance of Terror."
I just watched the entire TOS and, while Kirk never comes close to saying the words "Beam me up, Scotty," many episodes end with him saying something to the effect of "Mr. Sulu, take us into warp two."
Yep, it's true, Sherlock Holmes never said, "Elementary my dear Watson". It's also true that Watson never said, "No shit, Sherlock".
_THANK_ you. The "shit" _never_ hits that fandom often enough.
And Rhett Butler never said "Frankly Scarlett...".
But, he should have!!!!
Watson actually said, "Holmes, your deductions are utterly devoid of excrement".
McCoy always said “Good god man”. “Good lord” “God only knows”
He gets to use even worse in the movies.
Southerners get a pass.
Bones also said "according to myth the earth was cre-ated in 6 days" it's only a figure of speech.
God I'm a nerd! (See what I mean).
"Come to think of it, maybe I *am* a bricklayer, and not a doctor after all."
Which are all completely cultural. I'm an atheist, and I say "oh my god" "god knows" and the like. It's part of the language. It has nothing to do with belief.
I think this may be the most unexpectedly disappointing video I've watched on TH-cam.
#nopejustchucktesta
@@Annoyingbirds .....what?
yup!
Believe it or not there are some much worse😏
As soon as you hear the Billy Badass narrator with that fake tough-guy voice, you immediately know you're in for a major letdown.
Yeahhhhh. You seem like you dont know much about star trek. It seems as though you just read a few articles.
Yeahhhhh, a lot of Star Trek fans suffer from severe insecurity that they act out by trying to be know-it-alls about it.
@@MegaZeta I see you're some kind of Grunge fan soyboy. Do they pay you to white knight for this lame channel or are you just that lonely?
Agree
I wish they'd mentioned the "Kirk Drift" phenomena that casual viewers (or non-viewers) picked up about Kirk's character and personality. He was way more nuanced and intelligent in the show than people give him credit for... which really wasn't helped by the first two of the newer movies.
"I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer"
"I'm a surgeon, not a psychiatrist"
"I'm a doctor, not a coal miner."
"I'm not a magician, Spock, just an old country doctor."
TOS The show that just keeps on giving.
“I’m a doctor, not a doorstop.”
-the Hologram Doctor
"Damnit, Jim, I'm an ornithologist, not an ornithopter!"
You forgot, "I'm a Doctor not an escalator". When he was helping a pregnant Julie Newmar.
If I were a Star Trek writer...
Capt. Kirk: Bones, this man is dying.
Dr. McCoy: Damn it, Jim, I'm a doctor not a doct...I'll get right on that.
@@bonusbaby801 bonus laughs
Shatner, nemoy, bones & Scottie WERE IRREPLACABLE ACTORS.
Nimoy.
@@daveverplank thank u
Bones and Scotty are characters, not actors.
I love that Shatner is still out there doing things. One of the few aspects of Twatter that isn't a cesspool.
TOS was about the friendship/bond of the three main characters, Kirk, Spock and McCoy, all others were the supporting cast regardless of their listings in the billing.
The other thing to remember about the pilot episode is that the female personnel wore real uniforms, not the cocktail waitress get-up from the main series. In a forgotten scene from early in TNG, they had the junior male personnel on the bridge walking round in sleeveless tops and hot pants.
Another myth was that the "female crewmembers tunic", (that miniskirted dress), was created because the guys wanted to see women in them. Truth be told, actress Grace Lee Whitney hated the women's uniforms from the pilot episodes because they hid her "dancer's legs" so she collaborated with William Ware Theiss to create the tunics. She actually wanted it just for herself but Gene Roddenberry made it the standard women's uniform. She later admitted it helped sell the series. As for TNG, the short sleeved miniskirted dresses, known as "skants", were intended to be as unisex as the jumpsuits to show full sexual equality that existed in the twenty-forth century. I think the skant was a warm weather or warm climate uniform. What do you think?
Next time have a Trekkie help with a video such as this. Hurt myself rolling my damn eyes. Ugh.
Correction: false things YOU'VE been believing about Star Trek.
@Stephen Pegg TL;DR and a complete non sequitur. Popnecker didn't bring up any of that. You should have just posted it at the top as your own rant, weirdo.
I kinda miss the old Star Trek. It was light years ahead of today's remakes and additions. Yes, the didn't have the same special effects we have now, so guess what? They had to actually tell interesting stories with characters you cared about. What a novel idea...
You caught me thinking the same thing for the millionth time as I binge watch TNG.
"Religion is not a part of Star Trek"
Says the person who never saw a single episode of DS9.
After Gene Roddenberry’s death Trek fell away from the creator’s vision. If you like DS9 props to you but it’s far removed from the original outline.
@@jamescupp434 that's fine. Most trek series treats religion tolerantly. Look at commander chakotay always going on vision quests to talk to the spirit of his grandfather in Voyager, or Captain Kirk telling Apollo they only believe in one god, or Wesley Crusher on TNG deciding he would convert to the faith of the Bajorans.
No matter what you think, religion has always been a part of Star Trek, right from the beginning with episodes Roddenberry created.
Jack Metallica true it’s had elements of story but the soul of Star Trek is a warning to us about the dangers of dogma. True a lot of later Star Trek had season long arcs with alien religions. What gene was trying to say is that believing in fairy tales doesn’t happen in the twenty third century, because we evolved out of such an archaic existence. Religion is something that the cavemen practiced. Sure there are still some people that hang on to archaic ideas. The show says time and time again that this is not what you are to do in order to advance the human race. Very humanist. By the way gene was a humanist.
@@jamescupp434 "the dangers of dogma". I disagree, the show is literally about a space navy with crewman constantly being reprimanded for disobeying the chain of command. Rank is constantly invoked. Vulcans, the embodiment of adhering to logical dogma, appear very prominently throughout all Trek series. Sure, they are very often used as a lesson as to why we cannot solve every problem we encounter logically, but their logical assessments are also very often treated with admiration.
You're right, there are many episodes where an alien culture's religion is the obstacle of the episode's plot. However, there is also ample evidence Star Trek has treated religion with tolerance, and sometimes even favorably.
@james cupp PERFECTION! could not have said it better!
Star Trek has always been full of religious and/or spiritual references, it's just that they couch it in pseudo-scientific jargon. What we might typically call the "soul," is in Star Trek called something like "residual bio-energetic signatures" and stuff like that.
Well, in Star Trek III, Kirk refers to his soul which he says would have been lost if he had not broke a million laws, destroyed the Enterprise, lost his only son to get Spock back.
roddenberry was buddies with hubbard...
Star Trek is secular, not atheist. They don't pretend religions don't exist, they acknowledge and criticize them when it's opportune.
Christianity is mostly irrelevant in Star Trek, but I can tell you a lot about the Klingon's myths ;)
I've yet to meet an atheist who "pretends religions don't exist".
@@markblaze10
In a science fiction series you could imagine a future where superstitions don't apply.
Gene Roddenberry treated religion as what it is, something personal some people may have. I don't think he said "Religion [...is] not to be part of his universe." but it shouldn't play a central role in it. It's just like any other personal thing, you don't even see members of the crew bragging about how they only eat the blue and green cubes because they value animal amino acids or how they did Mok'bara three times a week....
On the other hand - I admire Seth McFarlane for doing so. ;)
@@jensalik I've yet to meet an atheist (or any non-religious person) who really ever uses the word "secular" to describe anything. An adjective to specifically isolate non-religion is useless when the default condition and default perspective of all things is already entirely non-religious: atheists simply don't measure things by how they relate to religious contexts and religious designations, there are plenty of other adjectives which describe things in terms which have actual meaning outside of religious understandings.
@@pwnmeisterage - I didn't use it either. But besides that, secular has about 5 different meanings, only one has anything to do with the church, so it has actual meaning outside religious understandings.
The comment section, ironically enough, has to be the best thing about this video.
"Thankfully Star Trek Discovery..." Yep, you've got nothing. Moving on.
Life must be very easy for the likes of you, who live without needing to think, just constantly knee jerking to buzzwords. Some of us are bound by facts and reason and standards.
@@AnonEyeMouse You should attempt to have a real response that contains substance and not just a long winded, self promoting attack. The video is clearly biased in it's comparison of Discovery to it's predecessors. This is video is more paid marketing material than anything else
Concerning religious belief, in the TOS episode *Who Mourns for Adonais*, Kirk tells Apollo, "We have no need for gods, we find the one sufficient."
Kirk was a Christian. That doesn't mean his society was Christian, that just means he leaned in that direction personally. Which stands to reason, he was an American after all. In a truly openminded, pluralistic society, there should definitely be plenty of room for Christianity.
Of the bridge crew, Kirk, McCoy and Uhura were openly Christian, I suspect Sulu was intended to follow Buddhism, Chekhov was probably an Atheist in keeping with Soviet dogma at the time, and I can't recall any of the others expressing a religious preference one way or another
Odysseus Rex .... he told who that?
@@albertschoise8091 Umm, to quote myself, "Kirk tells Apollo."
@@hagamapama Well, one thing Chekhov definitely was not, was Soviet.
whoa! good call. I do recall that.
Glad to see that "Discovery" is getting trashed much worse than "Enterprise." Thanks, CBS!
At least "Enterprise" *tried* to be a real "Star Trek" show!
Concur. Enterprise fighting Stukas over NYC - almost the best idea ever.
@@Tree_Dee Along the lines of TOS crew beaming down to an alien imitation of 1930s gangland Chicago, or 1940s NAZI Germany. I call that homage.
Season 2 of Disco is trying to fix the drek that was season one. I agree, season one was awful, Maybe the worst scifi I've ever seen. It made me long for the greatness that was Galactica 1980.
But season two is on the right track. 4 of the 8 eps so far have actually felt like Trek.
@@Wizardofgosz Still not paying money to see it. If they put it on Netflix along with the rest of the Trek shows I might watch it.
One big missed opportunity here: the "Kirk the Womanizer" myth. Kirk was in fact never a skirt-chaser on the old show despite jokes that have him regularly hooking up with "green-skinned" women. Hookups and/or seduction only happened, or were implied to happen, when he was mind-controlled or possessed or when some group of aliens had captured his crew or taken over the ship and he had to find a weak link among the captors (which, granted, was always a beautiful and susceptible woman -- I'm not saying the show wasn't pretty sexist). Other than that, he was faithfully married to the Enterprise.
The irony is that Riker was actually written as a womaniser but he was about as charismatic and sexy as an unflushed toilet.
I like the statement by the klingon officer " we have no devil kirk,but we know the habits of yours"
Everybody knows the "Beam me up, Scotty" one.
Yeah, but how bout.....
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I’ll remember that the next time I’m in a public restroom.
No mention of Star Trek Enterprise? It ran for four seasons with a good 4 year story line. I especially like the fact that the aliens don't speak English in that show. They had to learn each language from scratch and program the universal translators.
Loved Enterprise!
One of my favourites too. Good solid spaceship sci-fi set in a wilder and more interesting time, before the utopian Federation.
Overall my fav was STE.
Loved ST:E as well, save for the last episode which felt like the writers giving us, the fans, the middle finger (and it's been reported that was kind of the intent).
@@ArtofFreeSpeech I liked it from being used to "Archer" from his role in "Quantum Leap." Inspired me to binge re/watch all of them. That's a really good series.
That 'What does God need with a Starship' bit blew my mind when I was a kid.
Ditto! I was like.....speechless! Jaw dropping speechless!
And posting of Kirk's own godhood.
Except that IMO it is the worst Star Trek movie out of all thirteen of them. I just personally don't like anything that Shatner has written, although I enjoy his work as a performer. I have twelve of the thirteen movies on DVD--all except for Star Trek V, which I loaned to someone because I didn't care if I got it back--I was never going to watch it again.
A single good moment in the worst of the Trek films.
Data's character is much more likely taken from Gene Roddenberry's pilot episode for the Questor Tapes, a 1970's TV series that didn't get picked up, involving an android main character who is trying to be more human-like and save humankind and discover his creators. Also, Wesley Crusher's first name, Wesley, was Gene Roddenberry's middle name.
The Redshirt deaths was about away team members, not just anyone wearing redshirts. So the percentage of crew-to-color is utterly meaningless.
I saw a bit by a stand up comic years ago and in it kirk, spock and "3 disposable crew members" beamed down to a planet lol
Yeah, I feel its not about the rest of the crew but who we saw getting killed on camera.
Also need to note the red shirt death thing was more ToS specific trope, since it switched to gold shirts in later series.
You seem to be pretty upset about it for something meaningless
@@MegaZeta Unlike you, right? Coming in months after a conversation, in a comment you find "meaningless," to throw your worthless two cents in. Hypocrite much?
Long life and prosper to All Star Trek fans
except STD fans if they exist.
Whenever I see that acronym I always see "sexually transmitted disease"
This one hurts my head “Live long and prosper” reply “Peace and long life”
Alan S 🖕🏻
The principal reason the "red shirts" tended to be killed off was because they were the (spectacularly inept) security guards, positions and characters suitable for extras who could be quickly gotten rid of to demonstrate how dangerous the situation was without harming the big shots.
The yellow shirts who were killed off in early episodes like The Mantrap were actually security guards; at the time security guards were deemed "command" and not "engineering/ship's services", so they wore yellow instead of red. Uhura wore yellow in The Corbomite Maneuver for the same reason.
Someone may've posted this, but from "Balance of Terror," when Kirk officiates over a wedding: "...in accordance with our laws and our many beliefs...." See that? "Our many beliefs." I don't see that as being humanist.
As a "vintage" Star Trek Classic from its beginning, I can proudly say I knew all of these bits very well, except for the math regarding red shirts. To show how quickly being an obsessed fan caught on, I was witness to the following:
In 1975, at one of the infamous New York Star Trek conventions, Gene Roddenberry was doing an onstage appearance. As was his practice at the time, he also brought along a few film 16mm copies of episodes, and the Blooper Reel. When one of the episodes was run through a projector onto the screen onstage, the lights went out, and both Roddenberry and the fans were able to see the episode on wide screen. It was at that point that Gene could see, in the reflected flickering light illuminating the faces of the fans in the audience, that very large numbers of them were actually *reciting* the dialogue of the actors as the episode progressed. For someone in the TV industry like Roddenberry, it was a new and scary experience to see fans so completely absorbed by a series that was cancelled after three seasons. He never forgot that moment, and talked about it many times at conventions down the years. Such devotion was new to Hollywood. Star Trek still stands as a lesson to the entertainment industry about not underestimating the considerable power of fannish obsession.
The network didn't know what to do with it. They had seen it in kids, but not adults. They were used to spoonfeeding audiences with material low in nutritional value. It was a shock to see such a reaction.
Of course, there was no cable TV or Internet then. So any successful network show had to appeal quickly to a broad audience. ST pioneered a new model, of reaching an intense niche audience first, before spreading slowly into the general culture.
I heard Checkov was added because of Davey Jones of the Monkees.
And because the Russians complained about being left out.
Come to think of it was Dave Jones and Walter Koenig ever seen in the same place?
Correct, Jim.
@@oldbull11 Were you not watching this vid? They specifically said that It was not being aired in Russia at the time therefore no one had even seen the show and so could not complain about the lack of Russian character
Apparently Russians in the US didn't watch Star Trek. LOL @@tamiaugustson2562
Wow . What a poorly researched, poorly thought out, biased youtube video.
Terrible work
I agree...as lifelong Trek fan, he got many of his facts wrong...
Downhill Nut Big amen on that. My cat could produce a better show on Star Trek.
McCoy DID say "He's dead, Jim." Lots of times.
Of course. They lifted it for the song Star Trekkin'.
True. However. McCoy NEVER said it after he was dead. FACT.
What?
Look, I'm a bad taste joke teller, not a doctor!
That joke's dead, Jim, you wig wearing son of a bitch.
James T Kirk. What does the T stand for? It's NOT Tiberius. What a load of Vulcan turds. The T is for toupe'. The wig-wearing son of a bitch.
Star trek across the universe was awesome.
@@richardjones7984 The universe? Hardly. Star Sheep haven't even left the galaxy, apart from one or two exceptions. Why do you think Janeway had her knickers in a twist? Voyager was thrown on the other side of the galaxy and at full warp they were still looking at a journey home lasting many decades, perhaps beyond a century or so. So primitive.
While I'm on the subject of Voyager, I'd like to point out that Neelix was a gawd damned child molester. Kes was only a year or two when she joined Voyager. It was established that Neelix knew her BEFORE meeting up with Voyager and was clearly shagging her at that point. If Kes only lived 9 years... it means Neelix was shagging a 10 year old girl. This thought never crossed Janeway's mind. Or, Mr Logic himself, the token Vulcan.
If I met Neelix and he fooled me into saving his girlfriend, the second we all got back to my ship and I got Kes' back story, then my solution would be simple. I'd castrate that odd son of a bitch then dump him in an airlock and eject his perverted peedo alien ass into mutha fuckin space. =P
Duncan Disorderly While I may agree somewhat on your moral stance about the series, my comment was only about the ridiculous song.
I always felt that Uhura's declaration about the Son of God was one of the best moments in the show's history.
I can't imagine a "Utopian" future where a non-religious society as a whole is atheistic; that would imply a faith in God's non-existence.
To me, it was a low point, a sop to the superstitious segment of society.
She's describing an alien culture in the process of moving from the Roman Empire to the age of Christianity....if they keep following the human pattern, they would then take more than two thousand years to escape THAT silly mess.
This scene went over my head the first time ... I was 8 growing up in San Francisco and I thought all black women were just as smart as old white men and that Uhura piping up was as normal as normal could be ... here we are 50 years later and black women are still beat down and subjected to discrimination ... not because they're black but because they are women ...
Majel Barrett for President ...
@@russcrawford3310 Umm, where is all this beating down and discrimination taking place? Outside of the Muslim world, that is.
I love all of these comments. They warm the cockles of my heart. To know that this series has such significant personal meaning to people, and when something like Discovery comes around, it feels like an insult.
03:17 Great video. In addition, the actor who was cast to play Lt. Xon -- and missed out on the chance of a life time when Phase II was canceled, was given a "consolation" prize -- he was cast as the commander of the Epsilon Nine Station that witnesses the Klingon attack at the beginning of the film, and later calls the Enterprise with a distress signal just before V'Ger wipes out the station.
I thought he looked familiar. Thanks!
I remember one episode in which the people were worshipping "the sun", so the crew of the Enterprise thought, but it turned out to be an evolved, modified version of the Christian religion. They were on the bridge and Uhura, who was listening to their communications, figured out that they were talking about "the son" and everyone stood around in a reverent moment as if it were true.
"Bread and Circuses"
you obviously did not watch this whole presentation!!!
Sorry, but the "sun"/"son"... It's all the same. Jesus IS the Sun. God so loved the Earth that he gave us his only SUN. How many SUNS do we have? One. (Technically 3 but 2 are turned off for some reason)
Of course, it's never explained how, on a parallel planet (the revised edition doesn't make Magna Roma an exact copy of Earth) that a 20-century Rome (and why, being that it's in the 23rd century, the Magna Romans aren't a space-faring culture as well) would be speaking American English (since "Anglish", being a principally Germanic language, would have been derived from ancient Germans, whom were BARBARIANS). This Rome, for all practical purposes, is the USA with a Roman theme, right down to the "land yacht" automobiles (the Jupiter 8, for "maximum comfort"), smog, rifles, pistols, and sub-machine guns, policemen wearing hard plastic helmets that law enforcement of the late 60s and 70s favored, print magazines, and color TV with cliched programming. The clues are there that in this version of "Rome", Christianity, which the escaped gladiator, Flavius (which simply means "blonde" or "beautiful" in Latin, it was never a complete name of itself), dated back nearly two thousand years, as did the Empire itself (no mention of a preceding Roman Republic, and the ProConsul would presumably still be answering to an EMPEROR, would he not?), existed as an "underground" movement (hence the escaped slaves hiding out in caves), under the misconception that until Constantine that the early Christian Church was under a constant state of active persecution (in fact, one of the "good Emperors", Trajan, in describing the Christians as being suspected of disloyalty, gave direction that they were not to be "sought out"), and many nobles and prominent citizens of the first, second, and third centuries were, in fact, openly Christian. As for the "real" Rome not having any "Sun" worshipers, absolutely WRONG, not only were there several prominent sun-worshiping cults, the name "Sol" comes from the Roman solar deity, until merged with Apollo. And, of course, the episode completely disregards the extensive influence of GREEK culture and the Greek language, which although obviously the Romans conquered the Greek city-states militarily, it can be asserted that the Greeks took over the Latin culture of the Romans and ultimatley dominated it.
But it's fun to see a gladiatorial contest, LIVE, on TV (though in reality, gladiatorial contests were seldom fought to the death, as gladiators were expensive to train and in many cases had large followings, they weren't, as the episode implies, expendable at all), where you "name the winner"!
green and gold jerseys in the same shot. what an elaborate troll video.
Thankfully? The words Thankfully and Star Trek Discovery don't go together.
STD sucks ass!!
Yeah I HATED Discovery!!!! My most favourite shows were TNG and VOY - especially after Seven joined the crew.
Well they go together if thankfully is followed by cancelled.
@@SereniaSaissa present tense - watch your grammar, I WILL HATE STD. I HATE STD. I HATED STD. I HAVE (always) HATED STD. Practice & recite.
Amen Brother. As long as I have my TOS, TNG and the first 6 movies I have all the trek I will ever need. Well until I finish trying to make props from the Star Trek 5 and 6 era.
"Kirk's shirt was green, not gold!" Said as they show a clip in which Kirk in his green shirt walks past crew in markedly different gold shirt. Um, yes, he did wear green shirts, but most of the time he wore gold shirts. Shirts that looked "gold" in reality, not anything to do with "the quirks of film stock development." Otherwise how could you have a green shirt in the same shot (9:05) as gold shirts? Clearly the green and the gold are two different colors.
Yep. Wraparound was green, "regular" was gold. Plenty of shots of Kirk in the two different styles and colors.
I heard a rumor about this that implied that the camera simply didn’t pick up the color correctly. It was a common problem back in the day, and I believe filmmakers still have to consider how colors will appear on camera.
The velour of his regular command shirt reflected the light differently, appearing gold on film, when it was actually green.
You can see the different material used for the other shirts worn.
KIRK: Beam me up Scotty!
SCOTT: Och, jings! Someone's beaming up me!
Kirk: "Beam me up, Scotty... there's no intelligent life here!"
Scott: "But Captain, you're on Earth!"
Kirk: "I know, I know... get me outta here!!!"
Lol
@@nativewildman9335 LOL Thank you! :-)
@@PerplexiaX.m
Truth
@@MyJbryant :-)
Writers of the show had a name for the character that would die and his name was "Ensign Expendable"...
Pity it wasn't Acting Ensign Crusher.
The "Beam me up Scotty" actually started by fans when they were in situations that they wished to get out of. Wishful thinking.
"Beam me up Scotty" can only be said by someone on the ship who wants Scotty to be returned to the Enterprise. "Beam me up, Scotty" is a command that Scotty do the beaming. Punctuation saves missions.
"Very funny Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."
LMFAO! That's funny!
He's dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and i'll get his wallet
@@KurtSteinbach He's dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and i'll get his wallet
Doesn't know much about Star Trek does he?
It's like this guy completely left out the bajorans on DS9 when he talked about religion.
Not to mention Chakotay.
And the episode Sacred Ground of Voyager.
And in "Eminations" of the Voyager series, religion is presented as possibly rooted in a truth.
@April Zhan What about Sisko being their emmisary?
@April Zhan What about Chakotay?
@@audreyandremington5265 Cisco doesn't believe them to be gods and doesn't worship them. He just sees them as they are - very powerful aliens.
@@brokenphysics6146 But still Sisko is used to convey the idea that behind the myth of religion, there can be a real power.
I just watched emanations on Netflix last night, and it's funny how once you get outside the box, your eyes roll so many times when you watch TV. Like Sisco and his whatever it's called the spirits.
Re: A future without religion
Star Trek: The Original Series, Season 2, episode 24 Airdate: 8 Mar, 1968: The Ultimate Computer
M5: This unit cannot murder.
KIRK: Why?
M5: Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God.
@BLAIR M Schirmer
A non-human made by a human working for the federation who would not include God in how they program AI to not murder because they are all allegedly secular.
The context the historical reference is used in is not consistent with a future without religion.
Yeah, that's one that the video didn't catch
Yeah, religious allusions are all over the place in the original series. There's a kind of a higher, "we are all children of one Father" monotheism implicit in the show, sometimes explicit. It wasn't an anti-religious show, but mysticism and superstition were definitely looked down on as muddle-headed.
@ZoneFighter1 No. It literally isn't.
@ZoneFighter1 - Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief in the non-existence of God. I try not to go around believing things, I just *think* things are true based on current evidence. I try to limit my beliefs-without-evidence to things like the potential for goodness in people in general, or love.
If there is a God that wants to prove he/she/it exists, write something on the moon in giant letters of fire. That would be pretty convincing. A deity might have a hard time convincing me of their godhood, though, rather than just being a technologically advanced alien.
Hey there, this was an entertaining and though-provoking video. Thanks for taking the time to put it together!
"Star Trek, The Motion Picture," or as is otherwise known: "Where Nomad Has Gone Before."
I'll stop laughing next week...
TMP sucked, mostly for that one reason..
Nice!
"Star Trek: The Motionless Picture" is more like it.
@@johngregory4801
It was fair.
TMP is one of my favorites. It's also pure Roddenberry, and the most "trek" of all the films.
11:30 "If you don't want to obsess over the most minor details then it's probably not the fandom for you.", then explain why we should ignore all the inconsistencies in STD?
Preach it!
STD not Strek. Period.
It was produced and written by people that did not like the previous incarnations of Trek and had never watched any episode so were not “UP” on Trek Canon, and I doubt they gave a shit either way.
STD is too caught up in the current progressive, left wing politics of our time and as such, it will not age well. Where allegories of some of the previous Trek episodes still hold as well today as when they were originally made.
It's considered in the same u iverwse as the jj films
I REALLY like Michelle Yeoh (from other movies) but this is below is pure Flash Gordon BS, low-brow JUNK from the golden bustier, to the 8" epaulets, to the sword - screams "I hate sci-fi and love fantasy"
www.indiewire.com/2018/02/star-trek-discovery-michelle-yeoh-interview-emperor-georgiou-1201926766/
This is NOT Star Trek.
Hold up. Non sequitur.
First, yes, there was a chapel on the _Enterprise._ Does this indicate a specific religion? If so, which one? See, when I was in the Navy, we had regular religious services, and the Christian were the most prominent, but there was also a private chapel for _other_ religions, and for general, spiritual practices.
Second, yes, in _Generations,_ we see Picard's family celebrating Christmas, but at no point does anyone mention Christ. Christmas _did_ originate in Christianity, it's true, and Christ is a Christian figure, but Santa Claus is not. One does not need god belief of _any_ sort to enjoy trimming a tree and sitting down to a feast and exchanging gifts with friends and family.
This is rather like saying that, because schools in the US celebrate Christmas by giving school children two weeks off, the US must be a Christian nation. Really? Then why do we do the same with Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Pagan, Wiccan and nonreligious children as well? Why is it, Christmas celebrations in the _public_ schools in the US involve regular displays of Santa Claus, but no nativity scenes? A _Christian_ nation would be a nation in which every non-Christian is a second class citizen.
Same deal with Star Trek. Throughout the Star Trek universe, we encounter races with _different_ religious beliefs, and _none_ of them are accorded second-class-citizen status on their basis. This is what they mean by a non-religious universe.
What music did Scotty play on the Pipes at Spock's Funeral? I know they may not for the most part believe in The LORD but at funerals people are more open to Christianity because of that one fact in history that plagues non believers. The Resurrection of God's Son...
Christmas is a conglomerate of various festivals that just got piled together and planted during winter to try to convert pagans by squashing their myths out and replacing them with their own. It is as Norse and Celtic (and probably many others) as it is Judeo-Christian.
Pretty sure the sentence "beam me up Scotty" was spoken in the animated series
He's dead, Jim. You take his tricorder and i'll get his wallet
@5:18 - I think you mean, 'Thankfully The Orville corrected this with Bortus and Klyden.' Because we all know which is the real 'new' Star Trek.
Yeah I like them as a couple more than Stamits and the Doctor....see I can't even remember one of the couples names....That is how unremarkable it is. Crap Bortus and Klyden have re world problems in their relationship which makes them more memorable.
The Orville is so much better that DSC.
One of the things I really appreciate about Orville is how they have quirky characters that aren't one-note jokes. It would have been so easy to turn Bortus and Klyden into just "the gay guys everyone makes gay jokes about" but the writers have been not only incredibly respectful about their same-sex relationship but also given Bortus some of the best character moments I've ever seen. Particularly the debate over their daughter's gender surgery and the emotional fallout of that have been incredibly interesting to watch.
...from a guy who seems like he's new to Star Trek fandom.
I watch star trek when it first came on TV. I am the expert.
It is kind of like when Trump prefaces a statement with "A lot of people don't know this but . . ." When he really means "I just learned . . . "
@@bradmasiowski5233It's not like that at all. Why do you have to let your Trump Derangement Syndrome enter into this ? Can't you say a single thing without bringing politics into it ? Letting your entire life be defined by HATRED for our president is not only hypocritical, it's biased, bigoted, intolerant and divisive. Star Trek promotes inclusion, tolerance and acceptance in an effort to make the universe a better place. Why can't you ?
@@sanpat8760 Just because you watched it when it came out does not mean you are an expert, in fact I believe I know more than you do about it.
@@wassupnomesayin It's ironic how often some claim "TDS" when people are quoting things he's actually said or mentioning things he's opening and publicly done. The only derangement is your insistent that people's regular references to the man are the result of "hatred and bigotry," and not the man's insistence on making every news cycle about him, and demanding constant attention to the ways he's not being given special treatment, via his Twitter feed. In fact, thinking anyone is bigoted against Trump demonstrates that you have no idea what that word means, just as claiming anyone is 1/10th as divisive Trump is laughable, when the man makes up childish little nicknames for his political opponents, like he was kindergarten.
Also mentioning Trump's penchant for claiming he knows things everyone else doesn't is not bringing politics into the conversation, any more than referencing Reagan's dementia in relation to someone being forgetful, or for that matter mentioning Shatner's overacting in relation to a person being melodramatic. He was a public figure, known for exaggerated statements about his education and intellect, for decades before he became president. The person calling TDS, and trying to make everything people say or feel about Trump a product of their "political bias" - THAT'S bringing politics into the conversation. So perhaps, next time, you could just STFU and not bother to defend a man who would sell you in a heartbeat, to pay for the plaque on "his wall."
I always thought Kirk’s shirts were olive green. It was a shock to me when I later learned they were supposed to be gold.
The whole Section 31 thing would've ticked Gene off then. Quite a few things done in DS9 after Gene's death wouldn't have pleased him.
Aye! And yet, DS9 was probably the most interesting, compelling series of Star Trek. It was rather very dark towards the final series. And the final episode made me cry! Now that's GOOD script writing!
All that conflict will likely doom Discovery - and the overall darkness of the show. The same happened with the Stargate franchise - SG-1 - big success, same with Atlantis. There was a certain normal level of interpersonal conflict between the characters, but overall, they were a team - bonded by loyalty and friendship. They were the sort of people that a fan would want to be associated with - a team you could root for and would want to belong to. The came Stargate Universe - a very dark ship, filled with a lot of scheming, back biting bastards and that show tanked.
I guess TNG was similarly criticised when it first aired. And given how campy the first two seasons were, it's a small miracle it wasn't canceled outright during its first season.
First season of SG1 was also a bloody trainwreck, btw. And as a fan of the original movie, I was offended at the treatment it received. Thank god it picked up as it progressed, but it was still very formulaic and predictable. And while amusing, I would hardly call it a good show. Atlantis was better, and should've gotten a longer run.
SG:U was great, IMHO. But it was too adult and complex for the average TV audience. It also didn't help that the previous entries in the franchise were much lighter, much more "popcorn entertainment" in tone. As is often the case, anything that differs too much will be rejected immediately by the pre-existing fanbase. And it's hard to build an audience on people who weren't a fan of the previous series in the first place (although that didn't stop TNG from becoming popular, so it can be done).
@@EvenTheDogAgrees
No TNG was campy - but it stuck to the basic principles that tend to make science fiction shows survive. I will admit that Discovery could survive as an "All-Access" show - because that only requires a few fans. But look at Battlestar Galactica - the recent series was superior in almost every way to the original - except the tone. And it died as quickly as the original.
Now maybe Discovery will return to the roots of Trek and succeed, but MOST sci-fi fans are not into dark, dystopic futures. Literally EVERY long term successful sci-fi show so far has had a positive outlook. That's because MOST sci-fi fans are drawn to a better world - not just the same old shit or worse with better technology.
@monokhem
You got me on somewhat on Twilight Zone, and somewhat with Black Mirror - though it is more of a cult show - good enough to do well on Netflix, where a small but loyal audience is all you need. And neither of these shows - while definitely sci-fi (Mirror more than Zone) these shows are of a different genre than most, and not not always dark. Even some episodes that SEEM dark really aren't. Twilight Zone, for example, usually involved a twist plot where a bad or foolish person learns an important lesson- but what happens to them is often bad.
X-Files is built around a sci-fi premise, but is just a conspiracy drama. They chose aliens as the foil, but it could have been any deep dark conspiracy being investigated by the believing Mueller and skeptic Scully.
As for DS-9 it had a very positive outlook - as did every Star Trek Series - as did Stargate SG-1, and Atlantis, so does The Orville - doing well and hopefully for a long time. So did older shows like Buck Rogers, and FLash Gordon - both popular in their day.
@monokhem
You may think so - but it ran on TV (regular TV - not streaming) in nearly 100 countries for 10 years, and spawned three movies - not counting the movie the series was based on. Atlantis ran for five years on TV in over 50 countries. The very dark Stargate Universe was almost cancelled after one season, and was after the 2nd.
@@pdoylemi The original BSG was cancelled after one season. The Syfy reboot lasted one miniseries and four seasons, running from 2003-2009.
On the first point about Human religion actually being present in the series, Harry Kim has a Crucifix on the wall of his quarters in one episode of Voyager. There was a DS9 episode named after a bible verse from Ecclesiastes, where a dying soldier asks Jake Sisko to turn his eyes to face the sky, which was a Medieval Christian custom. One of the novels mentioned a non-denominational Christian chapel on a space station called Harbinger, and another novel mentions that Catholicism is still practiced in the 24th century.
A cross in the Enterprise chapel in TOS's "Balance of Terror".
@@section31fleetadmiral39 It was discreet and, as we used to say in high school, non-dominational.
10:23 I would say the line "Beam us up, Scotty." (twice used in The Animated Series) is the closest we ever get to the erroneous 'Beam me up, Scotty'
...but is the TAS canon?
@@qetoun absolutely. As are the radio plays. Sadly, the comics seem to be hit or miss when it comes to being canon- Star Trek: Countdown tells the story leading immediately up to the Kelvin timeline... We will have to wait till ST: Picard to know if that comic is part of Picard's history
The Enterprise also lost many engineers in explosions and electrical fires. Often they wore white or grey jumpsuits and their deaths were in greater numbers for a single incident, but fewer individuals depicted on camera.
TNG was loudly and proudly anti-clerical. Picard spent an entire episode desperately trying to stop a pre-industrial planet where someone saw a crew member teleport from creating a religion around the event. His final speech left no doubt about the shows stance.
@Kathy Kat You make a valid point about DS9 I hadn't considered.
@Kathy Kat You have a point. Didn't think about DS9, as I stopped watching it half way through the run when the soap opera elements came to the front of the stories.
I wish Star Trek would come back to television again.
why TV? Have you seen Star Trek Continues here on TH-cam?
It has, starting in 2017. It's called _The Orville_.
@@felgercarbful So true
Discovery is not Star Trek. That deligitimized the whole video from the start.
You missed one of the most famous (and most egregious) misquotes that was never said. From "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", the bandit leader is often repeated as saying "We don't need no stinking badges.", where he actually said, "Badges? We don't got no badges. WE DON'T NEED NO BADGES!"
Just, FYI.
Beam me up Scotty was in the Animated Series, which featured the original cast from the show.
Albert Nada Whoa! Are you sure? Do you know which episode? I just started re-watching those! I found a complete set of TAS on DVD at a flea market. Quite good quality for having been made from show that was recorded in the early 70s. I would love to find that line in the episode if you know it! Thanks!
@@InformationIsTheEdge Fairly certain. I haven't watched it in about a year, but I'm sure it's in there. I've got everything from the Star Trek: The Original Series to Star Trek: Enterprise. I've no use for the reboots or that shit stain Discovery.
@@albertnada4681 Well, thanks for the reply just the same! I started doing one episode of TAS every Saturday morning like when I was a kid and SM cartoons was still a thing. I'm only 6 or so episodes in and I don't recall having heard the line yet but I'll be on alert for it! Thanks again!
@@InformationIsTheEdge No problem. I'm certain it's there, but there's always a chance I'm wrong... a slight chance... very slim 😉😏
@@albertnada4681 can you believe that rubbish has been renewed for a THIRD season?! BARF! I won't be infected by STD. I'll watch The Orville, thanks. That's REAL Star Trek!
STD isn't Star Trek.
STD means Sexually Transmitted Disease.
If you need to refer to Star Trek Discovery to make a point, you haven't got one.
No I'm not
Who ever said STD was real Star Trek? Oh a big lie by CBS...
Even in STO, most of people talking about that ST Dysfunction is not Star Trek :)
As to religion...I wonder how a couple of Jewish boys like Nimoy and Shatner felt about Bread and Circuses? Especially Bill, waxing about being there, "to see it happen, all over again...'
Also, would've been worth mentioning in this vid that Nimoy got the Vulcan salute from a benediction given by Rabbi's at his childhood temple in Boston!
Yep, the hand gesture symbolizes the Hebrew letter Shin (which looks sort of like a W) and is the first letter in "Shalom". Very cool stuff.
Jonathan Frakes called "Code of Honor" the worst episode of TNG he ever appeared in. And considering he played the central character in "Shades of Gray," the awful season 2 finale, that's saying something!
Isn't it interesting how that one was a problem, but the one with the Irish wasn't?
The Irish one was a parking-lot bump compared to the 20-car freeway pileup of “Code of Honor.” Burton and Dorn threatened to quit over Code, and would have been well justified in doing so.
@@katherineberger6329 Not really, they were both over the top in their depiction of racial stereotypes. It is just one group is allowed to be depicted negatively, and another isn't.
I did not see anything wrong with code of honor. Seems like fake offense. So they were in African type garb. Big deal. Maybe they were like some kind of offshoot. It was a stylish thing for blacks in the 60's and 70's to wear African clothes. It's probably just a take from that. Also the show is "woke" because you find out the females are really the one's in charge. Because the guy wants a blonde it's racist? Please. Maybe he wanted some variety. A dude is a dude... Too much triggered snowflake stuff here..
@@thebes56 I was uncomfortable with "Code of Honor" in 1987, I just didn't have sufficient vocabulary then to express why. It's hard to believe you're not trolling this audience.
After Gene Roddenberry died, Star Trek gradually mutated into something unrecognizable. It lost all his philosophy and idealism. Only the names remain the same. The movie where Captain Kirk ridiculed the Prime Directive was the last one I watched. It's just another meaningless, corporate space adventure now.
I disagree to a point. Not all of Gene’s ideas were good ones.
Why, when your talking about Deep Space 9 ,do you show characters from Voyager?
Daniel Lopez probably because they are the most well know Maquis even if those two were never a part of DS9
For fun. And because he can.
I thought that too rewatched it myself to make sure ... so if you look again, he did continue his sentence to talk about Voyager though... so it fits but he just brought up those Voyager images a little sooner than necessary...
Because the Maquis figured more prominently in Voyager. They had names and faces. They weren't just some random people in ship during the war.
I've been watching Star Trek since I was a boy in the late 70s. I would watch re-runs of The Original Series, starring William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelley. I also enjoyed The Next Generation, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. I've noticed that some episodes of each generation of Star Trek series *do* show some religious themes.
Even a 'blue uniform' wasn't safe-Lt. Tracy was killed by the Jack the Ripper life form in "Wolf in the Fold"
The first blueshirt casualty is crewman Darnell by the M 113 creature (salt vampire), in "The Man Trap". And, hiya Nancy!
@@section31fleetadmiral39 Yeah, he was killed by 'Nancy'! Figures she'd have my name!
Don't forget the Andromeda invaders. Turned a red and blue shirt into dehydrated cubes... abd the alien crushed the blue shirted chick.
@@Deridus "By Any Other Name" is the ep. I just watched it and "Patterns of Force" earlier today! LOL Yeoman Leslie Thompson was the only female redshirt killed in TOS when Rojan crushed her polyhedron!
@@Deridus She had a red dress on, not blue
So the secret to good script writing is.... add gays?
Apparently virtue signaling is more important than the plot. Please ignore the cluster-F that is the latest ST iteration that people have rejected in favor of the Orville of all things.
Star Trek was about equality.I'm not sure how you have so far missed that
it was always about representation on-screen and the effect on us.
@@TheApoplastic Exactly! Finally _someone_ gets it.
I went to a Trek convention when I was in high school and the executives of the show was talking to some of the fans behind close doors to get ideas for a new serie . 2 years later came TNG.
8:10 nice to see Seth Macfarlane make an apperence 🤣
I might be the only one, but I love all the episodes from TNG, DS9 and Voyager!!
Go Tink!
But, I'll take TOS with it too.
Me too! @bobby: I grew up watching TNG and onward... STD... dunno what that is, but I'm currently loving Star Trek: Orville :)
@@jaqenhghar2970 I love The Orville! Seth McFarland rocks!
@@jaqenhghar2970 haha...Star Trek Orville. Love it!
You are not the only one. I also enjoy TOS, too. It's Star Trek.
"Beam me up Scotty" does appear in the animated series, along with "Beam us up Scotty." Shatner also says it in the audiobook version of Star Trek: Ashes of Eden.
Shatner also uttered that line in an episode of "Mork and Mindy" as well.
@@markschroeder2578 I haven't seen Mork and Mindy in many years. Lol.
@@markschroeder2578 "Shatner also uttered that line in an episode of "Mork and Mindy" as well."
No, he said, "Beam me up, Orson."
"Generations includes a celebration of Christmas, so some version of Christianity certainly seems to have survived"
Dumbest thing I've heard in a while. And I watch the news, so that's saying something.
Keith Tyler and don’t forget, in TOS it was mentioned that Captain Kirk made a “friend” at the Enterprise Christmas party one year 🧐
Even today, Christmas has become pretty secular. I'm an atheist, but I love me some Christmas.
I always thought the phrase was "Scott me up, beamy"
Stop taking examples of your points from Star Trek Discovery. It's not real Star Trek.
It's called Star Trek, it's owned by CBS, and it's canon whether you like it or not. It's *REAL* Star Trek, get over it.
It's crap. That's all.
It has problems. Many are fixed/improved in season 2. But it is canon and here to stay. It is getting at least a third season.
@@corey2232 It is alternative canon at best.
@@anonymousscience4095 There are so many lore inconsistencies in this series I'm not sure why anyone pretends it's in the same universe as any previous trek.
Did you mention the part when Chekov talks of the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve?
eden it was jusyt outside of Moscow
Even Spock had a painting of the expulsion from Eden hanging in his quarters
@@ssobcza7 Edenski. Must be collusion
That's become secular allegory as well. There other examples from TOS that are much more on point as have been mentioned. I think TNG is more what they were referring to with the "no mention of God" bit. It would be interesting to hear the backstory on those mentions in TOS, as it really does go against Roddenberry's view of the ST universe.
The Code Of Honor episode might as well be renamed Star Trek Wakanda.
Starring Pam Greer
Matt, your maniacal, foaming-at-the-mouth racism makes you look like a jerk. If you're a representative of the master race, we're in trouble.
Matt King Yeah why doesn’t Black Panther get the same stereotype criticism? He seems to use the same stereotype.
I didn't see anything wrong with that episode. Native Americans used to kidnap white women all the time.
Regarding religion, I can't speak for the chapel scene because I'm not familiar with that episode. But to say that Picard has some semblance of religion because there's a scene with him and a Christmas tree--so what? I'm an atheist and I celebrate Christmas culturally.
Here is Picard on religion:
""Horrifying... Dr. Barron, your report describes how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? No!""
Who Watches the Watchers, S3E04
There were plenty of religious moments in Star Trek. Some weren't even mentioned.
@@kemerson7358 How does what you said refute anything that I've said?
@@martini1179 wasn't trying to refute what you said, I was just saying.
If you were referring to the TOS chapel scene, it comes from the episode "Balance of Terror". Two crewmembers were do to be wed at the beginning, but the Romulans attacked some nearby bases while testing a new weapon. The chapel is designated as a "Non-denominational, inter-species meditation place".
people like you should not celebrate Christmas, it's like a Muslim celebrating yom kippur
STD will NEVER be part of Star Trek to me, Garbage show. I actually stopped watching your video when I saw that was the first thing you talked about.
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@@anonymousscience4095 Shanequa.
@@anonymousscience4095
Google trek std ... www.google.com/search?q=trek+std&oq=trek+std ... over 6 million results
Google trek dsc ... www.google.com/search?q=trek+std&oq=trek+dsc ... almost 60 results (mostly on wikipedia's article about the show)
@@pwnmeisterage That's probably because of that episode where Kirk got the clap.
@@anonymousscience4095 no he had it right. It is most definitely a STD
The original Star Trek was the best, no other version comes even close to it. The casting was perfect. Shatner, Nimoy Scotty and Bones were perfect. The story concepts reflected the problems and fears of that generation, it was easily relatable and still is. In the later versions more ideas were added to keep in touch with reality, for example the Borg, is used to explore the concept of the hive brain. Similarly there are several ideas exploring time & black holes.
The present Star Trek- Discovery is the worst piece of tripe I have ever seen. The stories are mostly about in-fighting and factionalism, there is no exploration of concepts or ideas, just constant bickering, and boring monologues. The dialogue is needlessly filled with techno jargon, that absolutely makes no sense at all.
The new Discovery version tries hard to be politically correct by including far too many women in their cast. I don't have anything against women, but that star ship looks more like a woman's convention. I just don't understand today's concept of film casting..Take any other Sci Fi film (Star Wars), the lead star is an anaemic looking girl, who we are supposed to believe has super powers....
The no conflict rule, there was ALWAYS conflict in Star Trek. Whether it was a simple argument to full force verbal confrontation.