Top Tips On How To Use Roundabouts for CBT, A1, A2 And DAS Training
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I recently obtained my cbt and this helped a lot as i was still a bit nervous about roundabouts. Doesn't help that 80% of cars will pass from the left hand lane and briefly cut through the right hand lane only to come back to left for the second exit. Which is why that right life saver is very important. Great video !
This was THE most helpful vid I’ve seen so far!! I have to go back to complete my CBT as I was completely intimidated by roundabouts and wanted to go home and learn more before approaching one! This video has helped so much!
Great to hear thanks
I took my CBTwith Roger at Wigan 4 Sept 2023. I"m 69 years old and had not sat on motorbike for more than fifty years. The only bike I had was a BSA C15 in 1970, I then pasted my car test and never rode a bike since.
So as you might expect, a little nervous on the day. No problem with road craft having been driving for over 50 years and during that time had a brief spell as a driving instructor. The slow riding and manoeuvres were the most difficult parts for me. The car park is quite small, but soon got the hang of it. Then onto the road, to my surprise it was almost like I had never been off a bike. Because I lived local, I knew most of the the roads, so it was was good.
My roundabout training was at Saddle Junction, not the easiest to navigate at 2 pm on Sat afternoon, we headed for Warrington and then took the bypass back to Wigan town centre, .
Being a cyclist for 30 years helped in some ways but not others. My main issue was staying in the command position, soon sorted that though, and not cancelling my indicator. Other than that all went well.
I can highly recommend RJH, and having been an instructor myself in the past, I have to say Roger was excellent.
Will be looking to get further training with RJH when I have had more time on the bike.
Great video thanks. Got to do that lifesaver over right shoulder before leaving the outer lane for an exit from the roundabout just in case somebody comes of the inner lane tries cutting in front of you as your coming to the exit.
Great video passed my CBT but I still struggle with roundabouts this video is a great reminder thanks
On my cbt there was a lot of stuf my instructor left out. Like I fell off hitting the front brake pulling out on a junction turn right. Never said rear only. Also told me dodge man hole covers etc but only when wet.
Changed my bike school and now have my mod 2 next week. Great video thanks.
Have my CBT on Tuesday your videos really do help appreciate it
Fantastic. Enjoy your CBT and good to hear the vids help.
RJH Motorbike Training Manchester how far do u need to read a license plate
@@jackmcardle1084 20.5 metres
Reckless. Don how’d it go
Yet another great video by Rob...unfortunately my instructor never explained all of this to me..I guess he assumed I should know this as a car driver...and unfortunately this is exactly what I failed my Mod 2, rear observation on roundabouts past 12 clock...will apply to my practice
What a shame. We ensure this is instilled at CBT level, it's so important. Lots of useful content on this Channel so thanks for watching.
Thank you for the help. Really appreciate all your videos. Helped me 100%.
Fantastic great to hear. Glad the videos helped you
Thanks for this, been a cyclist for many years and recently been diagnosed with COPD. Decided to take the plunge and get a motor bike and do my CBT. This vid helped as getting a little nervous about a few things.
Thanks glad you like the videos
Hi...having my theory in a few days.I will apply for practice a soon as I finish the theory 😂😂😂....I’m watching everything single video,as it helps a lot....great job !!!!
You got this!
Excellent video. Personally, most of the time, I'd drop down to 1st gear at a roundabout, unless it was large, clear and I could keep my speed. Now, if only more motorists would learn how to properly use a roundabout,
Great tip!
Thank you for another good video. Question - could you do video with more complicated roundabouts? Multiply lanes, 6 exits etc?
Thank you for this video it really helped me with my CBT 😊😊
Great to hear Lucy thanks and well done
THANKS A LOT .WELL EXPANDED
EXCELLENT video great Explanation.
Thanks and glad you like the video
Very helpful. Got my CBT tomorrow so hopefully it'll all go well.
Joe Mama good luck and have a great day
Hi, how was your CBT? 👍
great video! very helpful ..
Glad you like the videos
Thx for awesome info👍🏻👍🏻
Great to hear glad you like the videos
I get so much help from your videos, I’m currently on my DAS & mod 1 soon. Just a quick query...on the 3rd exit example, you gave a right shoulder life saver when you were cancelling your indicators. Do you have to right shoulder check as the last sequence when turning right on roundabouts?
Glad the videos help. No you don't do a right lifesaver when cancelling your indicators. New road, command position, check mirrors and cancel indicators.
Looking at the green line on the illustration at 1:20. if the green car was to exit the roundabout in the right hand lane would he still indicate left? As if so it would look like he was changing lanes when he isn't.
Thanks for this, watched it 3 minutes before my test today and ended up at a double roundabout. I passed!
Fantastic news well done. Glad our videos helped you. Where did you pass?
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining Lisburn in Northern Ireland!
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Thanks and glad you like the Channel
Trying roundabouts on my own tomorrow, this'll be really helpful!! Our instructor was constantly telling us what to do, so I never got a chance to rely on myself to do it, I think ill be alright now!!!
Great news glad the videos help
I have a problem when I took my theory test I pass the first part but Did not pass the next but and I have bee revising for 2 mouths what do I need to do please help me with this matter tank you .
So apart from the shoulder checks its exactly like you would in a car? Or am i missing something else?
Thanks for the video! I'll be taking my A2 tests in a couple of days and the only thing I'm not fully confident with is roundabouts. Any suggestions for taking 3rd and 4th exits off? I'm struggling a lot with lane discipline at the moment as I can't see around the roundabout and i'm not famililar with the areas I'm riding in. Thanks again!
Relax, don't overthink and listen to what your Instructors have told you. Keep us posted.
Hi there,
Did my CBT this weekend, and he said I need another lesson for lane discipline, I was okay when going through residential and the mini roundabouts, like what was shown in the video at 5:30 however on my CBT we can a roundabout similar to the one in the video and he was like "Ash take your 3rd exit" so I positioned myself in the far right lane, (3) but when going across the roundabout their was cars stuck infront of my 3rd exit, i paniced and slipped out of there and left on the 4th exit, what do i do when faced with something like that? Because i got told to not stop, but how? I am confused.
hi great video,got mod 2 coming up when i get back on motorbike im in wales still in lockdown,bit worried about speed limits because i will be doing my mod 2 in area i dont know,some roads have not got clear speed limits, lot of side streets i think are 20mph,how can i check speed if i dont see speed limit sign?thanks keep up good work....
Well I always say if you have not seen a change of speed limit sign then the speed limit should be the same. Always keep an eye for them when entering new roads. I wouldn't worry too much either as if you are taking your test in unfamiliar surroundings then you are generally more alert and aware. Keep us posted and if your in Cardiff remember those bus lanes ;-)
You are describing exactly the way I was taught to negotiate roundabouts. However, this relies on traffic joining a roundabout to give way to those already on it. I now live in Spain where I believe drivers/riders are instructed to follow the outside lane regardless of where they intend to exit...For those of us who were instructed the aforementioned this makes it pretty damn dangerous. From what I've seen on some TH-cam footage the general rule is, get in such a position, increase speed so that one can lean on the horn and scream abuse, so shifting the blame for their own stupidity...When I first started riding...59 years ago...negotiating a roundabout wasn't so fraught with danger, Now, you are lucky to survive the experience.... My only advise would be ...Be constantly aware and Treat all Gagers (car drivers) as possible assassins and act accordingly...
I’m in Spain currently. This video is for the UK. Now Spain is completely different so if your unsure hire an instructor there to show you how the Spanish way is done.
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining One thing is apparent, you can never stop learning, either via TH-cam, personal instruction, sometimes mistakes.... no point getting older without becoming wiser....I've had one or two 'bum clenching episodes' that I survived either by good fortune or past experience where self preservation kick in...I have been living and riding in Spain now for over twenty years and never, ever get bored with riding the Spanish country side. Spain is a great country to ride a motorcycle ....roundabouts and dodgy junctions excepted....Los Motociclistas son los Ultimos Espirtus libres ....
@@brianperry I did a video a few years ago riding in Spain for roundabouts. I deleted it in the end due to the keyboard warriors and abuse. I’ve been driving/riding in Europe most of my adult life and I’m still here. As you say keep an open mind and never stop learning.
We stay in Gaurdamar del Segura
9:00 someone could think you're going back around the roundabout and someone could collide with you?
If you indicate to early a car might think you are taking exit 1 instead of exit two and could pull out in front of you
I am doing my cbt with you on Tuesday at Eccles.
Correct answer look forward to it
A question on your oft used 'check mirrors, cancel indicator'. What could go wrong if I cancel indicators before checking the mirrors?
Maybe if you had looked in your mirrors you might not of cancelled your indicators? Can you think of why?
Hi, v good vid thks for sharing,
Two questions for you:
question 1, you mentioned an approach speed of 10mph approx., what average speed could you recommend for riding when on the roundabout itself?
question 2, should I be using counter steering to steer my bike around the roundabout?
Speed according to so many factors. Weather, Traffic, Size of Roundabouts etc....
You will be counter steering without even realising it, but could consciously introduce it if you feel the need.
indications for other road users to know where you heading,headchecks to make sure no cars beside you, indicating too early will cause confusion for other drivers.
one question is headchecks do you only need to do them before exiting roundabout onto new road or just before entering roundabout especially if stopped hope that is clear.
Never say Never so consider shoulder checks when moving off. How long you've been waiting or your 6th sense tells you to look. The really important lifesavers are on exit particularly turning right so look over your left shoulder as you are in a way changing lanes. There is a gap that could be filled there by something big and metal.
Thanks
Mod 2 coming up so need this
Great to hear
Brilliant video, really helpful. Could I ask you though, I see you pulled over into a cycle track, whilst explaining manoeuvres. On the test, when asked to pull over somewhere safe, would this be a fail, to stop in the track?. The highway code, is not very clear on this part.
Dotted white line ok, solid white line no.
On test stay out to be sure, unless it was an emergency
Thank you for your help. Your response sounds the best action.
There's a double mini roundabout in the area I live in and I mean there's quite literaly only enough room to fit two cars side by side between the central white circles of these conjoined roundabouts. Visibly its really odd trying to establish how to tackle them on approach. They're on a slight brow or possibly it's just severe chambers of the roads mating up, not sure. I tend to treat it as if it's a T junction except that the top of the T is a line straight across the centre of both roundabouts with two lanes spuring off the left roundabout and two lanes spring off the right one and then obviously the long leg of the T is yet another road that leads to the central join between these roundabouts (well slightly more to the left one than the right, this is in addition to the previously mentioned four roads. Boggling.
Thanks for this video. Very useful. I have two questions. First, at about 5.20, you take a right lifesaver only as you exit the roundabout even though there was an exit before your second exit. Is there no need here for a left lifesaver as well? I understand that there is no lane to your left, which probably means that a left LS isn't necessary. But I would be grateful if you could confirm. Second question, I was told that for roundabouts with two lanes or more, you select your lane and maintain command position in that selected lane throughout (I guess to stop cars trying to muscle you out of position). But you took up what looked like position three in the righthand lane. Again, would appreciate any thoughts on this. Thanks.
Spot on. Be flexible though and never say never, never say always.
I had to go on the magic round about in my cbt in Swindon had no confidence almost got hit off
yes you have to be confident on that one.
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I’ve been taking lessons. Pass mod 1 no issues. Road training I feel I’m not beeing taught. First road lesson was told speed up to catch up while he followed another learner. I was already doing speed limit. Second lesson was just me and was followed. And trainer said I made ride boring.And was told made no mistakes . Still feel I paid to be trained. Feel like should have some info giving to me while riding. What’s ur thoughts on this. Have the 4 or so cbt learned me enough over years. Either way I’ve learnt more from your videos
Here it all the time. If you are not happy with your school have a chat about your concerns and see what they say.
In a cbt for the highway code do they just ask questions about road signs and traffic light sequences and the name of pedestrian crossings or is it more than that?
Just a discussion on the Highway Code no set format
When you take the right hand exit, you indicated before checking mirrors or looking behind. Shouldn't it be mirror indicate shoulder check manoeuvre?
Good question. The system to apply is OSM PSL O being Observations so a mirrors or a lifesaver however a lifesaver would be more favoured in this situation. In a car you use MSM PSL which is Mirrors. So Indicator then lifesaver is ok. Mirrors, Indicator, Lifesaver then Manouvre is a lot don't you think? Effective Lifesaver is essential.
Got my cbt in 1 hours I'm just quickly watching this video to make me more comfortable but I feel like I'm going to fail , I'm so anxious
how was it?
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining passed with flying colours this video helped me a ton !
Hi there. Cbt booked for 2 weeks time. Absolutely dreading it but wanting and needing it at same time. The whole roundabout and certain corners(deep ones) and speed is really worrying me. Any tips? Or is it just a case of the whole fixing the confidence thing? Really concerned I'm going to get hit ir cause an accident before I've even started !!
Watch our videos. Listen to your Instructor. Relax and enjoy
Your videos are great and really help me. Only question is why do you not indicate Right when pulling away from stopped position at the curb? (Maybe because no traffic) I think I always have to indicate for my my mod 2
Only if someone would benefit from it. Otherwise you don’t have to.
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining thanks mod 2 tomorrow your videos have really helped me confirm alot of actions I have learnt, but was a little unsure about. You have cemented alot of my concerns and answered my lingering questions 👍👍👍
Hi Rob. On taking the first exit left at a round about, what lifesaver should you be making? Left or right check?
Good question. It could be either left or right or neither depending on positioning and approach. I would look left if there was a cycle lane for example or I was unable to take position 1. I would look right if I sensed a hazard. Or I might not look at all if I was in correct position 1 and it was clear to emerge. KEY is be flexible.
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining Brilliant, thanks Rob. Really useful info. I remember in your training videos about crossing cycle lanes when turning left to make sure you lifesaver left. I just wanted to make sure that being flexible under this scenario was key.
Thanks Rage, I had the same question and Rob's answer was helpful
Hi, stupid question, but I've had mix answers. Since doin my cbt and I go round roundabouts I've always applied a bit of rear break aswel as power, is this right or wrong. I came off my bike yesterday so I'm just questioning everything I might have done wrong
There is no right or wrong answer. More likely on a mini-roundabout. Bigger roundabouts always try and be in the correct gear and ride around, however if you need to brake then yes rear brake.
Be aware also your rear brake light is a signal which will be seen by those following you. Hope this helps. Coming off? Was this on a roundabout and what do you think caused it?
Indicate early = shows other cars you're wanting to turn left and not go ahead.
My instructor today said exactly on the roundabout going straight over - Left lane go around, life saver then indicate left not sure whats correct now or doesn't it matter?
Timing of indicator is crucial. Indicate off only after committing to the exit before the one you want. So indicate early is not necessarily correct.
Hey i have my CBT on wednesday i’m really nervous for it is there any advice for me to have my CBT will be on a moped
Relax and enjoy the course.
So on the green line when talking the third exit what if the blue line guy aint going straight and decides to take the third exit?
That’s reality and does happen. You need to always plan for this, be aware and do the safest thing, which might be going around again.
Just so I’m straight going left are u favouring the left hand side of the left lane
And turning right you favour the right hand side of the right lane.
This is the standard or is the standard staying in the command position
Many thanks
You got it. Positions 1 and 3 but be flexible that’s the key
When yo are turning right, I notice that you put indicator on without mirror first. Then before taking exit you do a life saver. My instructor does a lifesaver then indicate and then exit . I notice inconsistency between two approaches. Can you please comment on this?
I would always Indicate, lifesaver then exit over lifesaver, indicate then exit.
Can you tell me why?
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining between indicator and moving situation could have changed I think
@@MQureshi1 spot on well done. Raise this with your Instructor see what he says. He should praise you for that answer.
Hi, Thanks for the videos they are very useful. Question for you. What lane should I be in on approach where there are two lanes at the entrance to the roundabout, if the exit I want is the third exit, which is slightly past 12 O'clock, but is a continuation of the road I'm on, and also goes down to one lane on leaving the roundabout?
Hi thanks for the question. Any exit past 12 generally is right lane. But a question for you? Is your exit the only exit or are there others before it? That would give me more confidence in my reply.
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining One exit plus another road joining, before my exit, which is at 1 o'clock and is the continuation of the road I'm on, on approach to the roundabout. My exit also goes immediately down to one lane on leaving the roundabout. Thank again
@@seanmcguinness2697 OK I would say right lane on approach, right indicator on then switch the left indicator on after the exit before yours and look over your left shoulder and exit your single lane in the command position.
I am old to biking at 64. I have failed my mod 1 das twice on the collision avoidance part. 1st time 1kph too slow, second time, hit left hand blue cone. Can you give me any advice please ? Thanks Mark
Mark your not the first and you wont be the last. My advice is to have another lesson. You will do it. So many reasons you could hit the blue cone so identify the cause and develop.
Mark the big question have you now passed and got over the problem?
@@Cookie69697 Yes thanks, Frank, passed Mod I and 2 a couple of months ago. Mark
Other drivers think you turning if you go in White line can make a crash
try not to straddle the white lines.
Do you do life saver before left 1st exit?
Are you checking right shoulder then?
Maybe, maybe not. Can you think why you might consider? Can you think why you wouldn’t need?
Be flexible and never say never and never say always.
when u are going onto the 2nd exit can i just go straight and not indicate or always indicate when ur going out off a round about
ItzLaxyyG we always recommend indicating off. Can you think of any disadvantages of not indicating off?
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining people dont know where your going if u dont indicate off
and another thing if im going straight on a road and a car coming towards me wants to go left should i keep going straight or wait for them to turn left
ItzLaxyyG keep going.
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining okay thank u so much for the help im just new to the road i did my cbt and i messed up on round abouts and i also stopped when i should off kept going it was alot to take in cos ive never been on a road
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5.37 mins in video. I am training at the moment, should I not take a left shoulder check before exiting the roundabout. Would be grateful if you explain.
Good question.
If I was turning right yes absolutely. But I'm going straight on in the left lane. I would favour the right lifesaver as that is the area I'm moving into and anticipating the more likely danger as in someone in the right lane going straight on. Why look over the left shoulder when I can see there is nothing and Im moving to the right?
Speak with your Instructor who can explain things for you.
Why did you not look at mirror/lifesaver before your indicator
Should I of?
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My CBT on Wednesday 3 November. xx
@@sawsakonkhonjaidee1771 good luck where are you doing it?
In Wells
I come from Thailand. I living in England. for 14 years
Why didn't you do a life saver in your left turn?
Should I of?
Why you holding the clutch all the time when stationary
If I'm stationary and I have my clutch disengaged then its because I'm in 1st gear.
I like to hold my clutch in at stops ..because it makes for a clean manover....and I don't have to change leg positions from bk brake to1st gear ...then move... but I've been told holding the clutch in will create a lot of wear on ur system.... bleh .. it is so much smoother when clutch is held though... damm clutch replacements getting me down$$$ 😆 .
Indicate before a roundabout and other road users won't know you're going straight on in this case.
I truly hate roundabouts.my town has one exactly like this but if you are the green car according to markings on the road you cannot follow the path he is making. Causes absolute chaos and there have been many accidents.
Thanks. Glad you like the videos. All roundabouts are easier if you plan and act on what information is available.
Enything could happen
I always thought that green car is being a nob, they should exit on the right lane because they entered in the right lane, thus white car can actually pull out into left lane 🤷🏻♂️
Don’t emerge onto the roundabout if a vehicle is on it and coming around from the right, or if you do your playing a very dangerous game. That’s the way it works.
@@RJHMotorbikeTraining genuinely didn’t know that, I was always told unless you change lanes on the roundabout you’re supposed to leave on the same “side” that your joined on; I mean I never do this tactic of pulling out when a car is on the roundabout because I don’t trust anyone to be able to drive and is also why I have 360° Dashcams, but still
Section 184
Section 184 of the Highway Code is all about what to do when approaching a roundabout. To ensure you approach roundabouts safely you should look out for traffic signs, traffic lights and lane markings, all of which will help you to prepare for manoeuvring around the roundabout and identifying the correct lane.
When approaching a roundabout you should:
Use the mirror-signal-manoeuvre process
Decide which exit you need to take as early as possible
Use the appropriate signal at the optimal time to inform other road users of your intentions
Section 185 explains what you should do when you reach the roundabout. Again it is important to be aware of the traffic around you and look out for road users who may be signalling incorrectly or in some cases not signalling at all!
When reaching a roundabout you should:
Always give priority to the traffic coming from the right, unless you have been directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
Check if the road markings allow you to proceed without giving way (always look right before joining just in case)
Watch out for other road users on the roundabout
Check the traffic has moved off in front of you before you proceed to enter the roundabout
I have my cbt tomorrow morning im kacking it 😟
Good Luck
I find that entering a roundabout with the straight on and over technique works well as no observations are needed also saves on using indicator fluid too. If entered at high speed with front wheel slightly lifted its an advantage as the kerb works well as a tool to help launch bike over any obstacles the council may have placed on the roundabout.
I also must add though that upon landing a mirror check is usually necessary just in case someone behind you is using same technique. So Remember OSM/PMT / OBI 1 KINOBI.
Lmao the centre also works as a good parking spot in busy areas 👍
@@jayingy yes great idea but I bet it’s awful getting out that parking space during rush hour😝👍
what b and b are near your centre GUV
Loads fella. here is one but search google ivymountboutique.com/bed-and-breakfast-in-eccles-24-hour-special-offer-page/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI79S82Kbk6gIVgrTtCh1HYAy9EAAYASAAEgLgX_D_BwE
Most difficult is to prove to the instructor that you were looking. Sorry instructors but even if I'm driving a car 15 years without a crash I would still have a problem with that if need to pass my car driving license again. Instructors in A2B Livingston you are bonkers😂
You can crash
Because you mit com off