73 here, and still learning. Pre-loading with too much throttle never felt good to me, I like your method the best for slow speed turns.. Thank you for a great video!
Jay’s techniques greatly lessen the wear and tear on your machine but to master TCC (total clutch control) takes practice practice practice. I started with Jay in April of last year and by the middle of Summer Jay had me riding motor officer patterns which you will not be able to do well with the throttle set at 1800 rpm and you’ll be replacing your clutch. You’ll know you’ve got it when you don’t have to think about it. Your motorcycle becomes an extension of you. Did I mention it takes dedication and practice? Every day. Thanks Jay!
I've been riding over 20 years and I constantly practice but the way you make those tight circles so effortlessly makes me feel like I just started riding...
Hello Steve, anyone can do this, its just practice and understanding..Thanks for watching and hope you will subscribe, share and help us grow to reach more riders.
100% logical! I never understood forcing components to work so hard against each other while maneuvering. I'm glad I found your video that I'm not the only one thinking this way.
Thank you sir! Yes, it goes against everything that is being taught on other youtube channels but we are seeing others now saying rear brake is not needed and that it can be done with only clutch. I have been teaching this method to students for over 10 yrs and they pick it up much more quickly and have more control, and less wear and tear. Im just glad to see more folks training!
Because there are plenty of different motorcycles and road situations. The approach shown in this movie works. But it works for this particular motorcycle with a huge torque engine and for this specific perfect environment where the pavement is perfect and nothing is going on around. It's enough to replace the motorcycle with less powerful which easily starts jerking and the game is over. Besides, in the case of an uh-oh moment, again, you can't instantly straighten up a motorcycle by releasing a clutch or rear brake. Instead, you must turn the throttle and pray. So the combination of increased RPM, friction zone, and rear brake makes slow-speed maneuvers much safer in real-world conditions and regardless of the motorcycle, you are using. The clutch-only technique is useful, but it doesn't mean it would work in all circumstances.
Hello Alex, thanks for watching and your reply. Definitely give me a call or email me sometime, a call is better. There is quite a bit of mis- information in your response and i love to talk training with folks. Train hard, Ride safe! Jay
Great to have an opposing view when you can. Articulate succinctly , without attack. I certainly relate to that uh-oh moment. I am not a skilled rider, though I like having an assorted tool choice for slow, speed maneuvering@@AlexS-gn9tq
Glad I found this. It's the way I taught myself actually, years go with a Sportster. You learn the sense of how much added power to the rear wheel is necessary when you get proficient riding a bicycle as a child. And you learn to do tight maneuvers at slow speeds as a child. Never would you apply the rear brake, while pedaling a bicycle to do a slow speed turn. You just use your natural sense of balance and your instincts will tell you if you need to apply more power... like if you start to lean over too much like you're going to fall. Fast forward to today. 30 years on a motorcycle, and never a lesson. Just used the these instincts and balance and mastered the interplay between the clutch lever and the throttle tube. All was well until I bought I Triumph Rocket Touring. Must be the most difficult slow speed maneuverer on the planet. So I start watching other former police officers and now instructors. I just don't want to do it the way they teach. I will return to my old way, which is what you teach. Could you clarify for myself and others... everywhere you go on the internet it's a problem with terminology. When you say open the clutch do you mean release the lever or squeeze the lever? When you say engage the clutch do you mean release the lever or squeeze in the lever. I think this will help a lot of people who want to watch your videos...myself included. Thank you!
This is the best video yet from all of your videos because you’re talking through exactly at each point where your disengaging and rein engaging the clutch. Thanks so much.
Excellent video. Practicing these maneuvers with clutch ONLY at the beginning is incredibly helpful for development of clutch control. It also slows down your speed (if you’ve been using too much throttle to compensate) and allows the bars go to full lock easier. Starting to learn these exercises with clutch only is something I wish more people would talk about. Thank you for sharing that information.
Hello Francis, Thanks for the positive words. Im working on new videos, so please share the channel. We want to help others who may benefit from what we do.
I can personally testify to the benefits of Jay’s techniques. I have been riding tight cone patterns for the past 3 years using the throttle , friction zone, and rear brake techniques. I went through 3 clutches and 5 sets of rear brake pads in 25k miles. Then I discovered Jay and his no rear brake videos. I tried them and discovered that I was using the rear brake as a crutch and it was limiting further improvement. So i decided to learn the brakeless technique. It took a while to break old habits and learn to do the patterns brakeless. Additional benefits are that you have to be more deliberate with your body position, head and eyes to perform the maneuvers brakeless and you learn fine control of that clutch and throttle. Later, if you get this technique down you will be able to do even tighter turns and circles than you before with the brake and if you are in a tight space, you will only have to use the rear brake for speed control.
It doesnt take long to learn it. We are going to break it down even further in the next video. Thanks for your support amd make sure you share us with others.
@@motorofficertraining I know its probably not that hard if you start that way. What I was trying to say is learn brakeless first. If you start with dragging the rear brake, it becomes a crutch AND a habit that’s hard to break. And if you are currently doing the slow speed stuff dragging the rear brake…STOP… and start practicing brakeless. And BTW….all of the civilian motor schools; as well as competitions, are now incorporating brakeless into the curriculum. There are currently no Motorcycle Clutch Guards or Motorcycle Brake guards available so do brakeless…..✌️
@@haroldyazzie3538 As old-slo-locked-n-leaned stated, Training schools are starting to incorporate this technique, though I don't think I have heard of any course teaching just total clutch control from the start. As a police motor instructor for a large agency in Texas, I hope they will incorporate it because with the right process students learn to control their bikes quickly with proper clutch and throttle engagement, without the wear and tear . I have been using this technique and teaching this for many years but glad to see it's catching on. Train hard, Ride safe!
Just saw this video^^ I am a beginner and have been practicing in front of my yard (some gravel and mostly grass) for the past couple weeks. I mostly use clutch control (with little to no throttle) to get the bike moving and turning. Manual car can be done this way as well. That's how I learned to drive the stick.
Thank you for this video. I haven’t been able to ride a lot in the last few years. I started watching YT videos, and I’m seeing all of this clutch, hi rev, rear brake technique that seems overly complicated. What you’re teaching is how I learned. I’m glad that I haven’t been doing wrong for the last 20 years.
Jay what your teaching is truly a game changer!! It’s another tool in my riding/teaching tool bag. Your demonstration shows how TCC(total clutch control ) is more efficient than having the engine working hard and the brakes heating up. TCC will lead to total control of your bike when riding slow (which is the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of riding a motorcycle).I believe from looking at some of the statistics in MVA’s with motorcycles there is a lack of understanding of how to handle a motorcycle at slow speeds(who I was once ).Of course the rider needs to master that clutch engagement,slow and smooth to allow the stored energy to be released and become kinetic energy . Once I started using this technique I was amazed because it’s not taught that way. Thanks for engineering your drop guards and demonstrating your TCC technique
Thank you ! Practiced today without loading the throttle , works great! It takes the other steps ( rear brake , throttle)out of the equation . Thanks again!
Im glad you experienced it for yourself. Just keep practicing and hope you will continue with us, subscribe and share to help your fellow riders. Train hard, Ride safe! Jay
I did well at motorman training 20 years ago, but I did use heavy rear braking. Keeping power to the rear wheel with the throttle was also drilled into my head. I have my own Road King now and I would love to learn Total Clutch Control. I would not have to heat up the clutch and smoke my rear brakes! It is gonna take alot of mental retraining. I remember engaging to much clutch while deep into the turn and going straight down. Ofcourse, that is part of how I learned the friction zone and the timing of slow maneuvers. Thank you for demonstrating that decelerating can be done with just the clutch and the bike can stay up through the turn.
Unfortunatley, most riders never develop the correct use of the clutch throttle and rear brake. I have seen soooo many students burn clutches, brakes and rotors over the years. All because of mis-information from Instructors who dont have the total control themselves.
Thank you sir, for your great tutorial. It's a real eye opener. You not only give us your views on how to make a u-turn with the bike, you also show how it's done. As with a lot of things in life there are more ways than one to do something, but this is a very logical way to approach it. It's certainly worth practicing and doing in real riding conditions, not only on some parking lot. And if I practice it a lot, it will become what the Americans call "musclememory", very useful in staying alive and keeping the bike and myself in one piece. Thanks again for sharing, greetings from The Netherlands 😎🇳🇱🇺🇸🇳🇱🇺🇸
Thank you sir for the kind words! I hope you will subcribe and share us with your friends. I am trying to make it as clear as possible as to how total clutch control is really that easy to learn with proper throttle engagement. The use of applying brake pressure and raising the throttle to 1500-1800 rpm is a really good way to burn brakes and clutch plates over time and in many cases in a short period of time for many. I have seen many motor officers have to replace brakes and clutches because of that type technique. Proper clutch engagement with proper throttle engagement is the correct way to use any clutch, car or motorcycle.
your video's are great i ride a 97 Electra glide and the more i pay attention and try they all work thank you... learning and putting faith in trying makes all the difference
This is fantastic!! I've always been taught the throttle, clutch, brake, friction zone method. Yes, it works, but I was also concerned about premature wear and tear, but didn't know any other solution. This is PERFECT because I just bought a new Gold Wing. I have been able to turn my cruiser on a dime, but the Wing is a whole new animal, and I'm really struggling with slow speed stuff because of the sensitivity of the throttle and clutch. My cruiser had a much bigger "slop factor" with the throttle and clutch. Now I need to go find a good place to practice after I wrap my bike in bubble wrap. LOL
@@motorofficertraining Ya, the techniques are the same. It's just getting used to the totally different feel of the bike and working up my nerve a bit more...LOL
Excellent video! KUDOS! I've never been a "professional motorcycle policeman," but I began riding dirt bikes when I was 11-12 years old (I'm now 68), and I learned the absolute Importance of "keeping my center of balance in the center" and "clutch control" on the dirt course! It helps a lot to keep you from getting all banged up after a fall! After I got my driver's license, I've been using those same techniques "balance, clutch, & speed control" on my motorcycle ever since on the street course. It's even more important on the street! Because streets are paved, and "if" you fall on pavement, your body takes a beating! I don't know about anyone else, but personally, I don't particularly like "beating up my body," especially because I know that simple basic "COMMON-SENSE" is going to save me a lot of pain! And even though I've been riding legally on the roads for 52 years, every so often I turn into a big open parking lot and do some "figure 8's" and "circles" in each direction just to have a little fun... which also serves to give me some "practice" on my turns, balance, and clutch control! And those techniques are not just for in parking lots doing figure 8's and circles! I use those same COMMON-SENSE techniques on every road I ride on, at stop lights and stop signs, and they are especially helpful for avoiding obstacles in the road, and even finding a parking space and "maneuvering" my bike into that parking space in such a way that I don't have to "fight with my bike" to get back out of that parking space! I weigh 200 pounds, my bike weighs 800 pounds, I'm 68 years old and I don't have the strength that I had when I was 20 years old! Thank GOD that I have the knowledge combined with 57-years-experience on how to handle my bike with "balance and control" rather than "brute strength!" Because if I wasn't capable of handling my big cruiser correctly and safely, I would have to give up riding motorcycles! And that's just NOT on my bucket list! At least not for another 40 or 50 years! (wink, wink)!
Is it safely the best video I have ever found. I don't know how I missed something so simple and till I watched you clutching. I guess I never really thought of the clutch is that kind of controlling for some reason
Most use high rpm's for fear of dropping and damaging the motorcycle, that's why thousands are using Motorcycle Drop Guards to remove the fear or concern of dropping the motorcycle. Once a student sees their bike is protected its amazing they can focus on learning total and proper clutch and throttle engagement without the unnecessary wear and tear 99% of riders place on their bikes, especially over time.
I just took a Ride Like A Pro course and now, seeing this video, I feel like your approach is much simpler and easier on the bike. Can't wait to try this out in the parking lot - after I install my drop guards :)
Jay, this is a great refresher video from my lesson with you last year, man it’s so easy to go back to bad habits. Got my seat back today from Russell Day Long Seats & had them raise and move me forward in the saddle, really great slow speed control now. Practiced this evening & without any throttle or clutch, was doing 18’ u-turns right away, even took my right hand off the accelerator completely (still holding the handlebar, just not the accelerator) and let the bike do its thing by leaning and locking the handlebars. Of course my instinct is to slow down and try to control it but I put my faith in the technique and Red Mama did her thing, & she didn’t let me down, literally nor figuratively.
I watched your videos and went out to practice… it absolutely works and builds your confidence. I ride a bmw gs 1250 and though it s a different kind of bike it really helped me a lot. It s so relaxed, just working with the clutch. Just wanted to say, thank you sir.
Yes, I completely agree with you. This is exactly how I learned at the first time. Clutch opening will be replaced by the opening of the throttle. That's the way should be. Thank you for showing to everyone.
This is revelatory; thank you, Jay! You've helped me immensely in the few back-and-forth comments we've had on TH-cam, and I'm so grateful you did a lengthier instructive video. Your teaching style is plain-spoken with no fluff or complication, and that's incredibly helpful. For instance, for about a year, I was on the "1800 to 2000 RPM" train, but when I watched a video of you in a parking garage, I was so impressed I asked you about your RPMs. You told me how low they were, and for months I've been practicing getting them consistently lower (I'm generally around 1200 now, but still fearful of dropping my '21 Street Bob at anything lower). But this technique of essentially doing these maneuvers at idle has me so friggin intrigued, I can't wait to practice this weekend! Thank you again, man! 🤘✌
Peter, I'm glad i could help. There is a time and place for raising RPM's and rear brake use among other techniques, but for slow controlled u turns and such high rpms are not needed. I will be discussing this in a new video im working on.
@@motorofficertraining Practiced this weekend, Jay, and what an eye opener! Thanks a million! I was nervous at first because my Street Bob idles between 800-850, but after a few minutes on Friday afternoon, I was doing exactly as you instructed: no throttle, pulling the clutch all the way in to turn (which, wow! REALLY gets to full lock quickly), and focused on momentum. After about 20 mins, I went back to the "usual way," but even then, was able to run around 1100 RPMs, which was a huge improvement for me. Spent about 45 mins practicing again this evening, and it was even better. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us because, as far as I'm aware, you're the only one. What a gift!
This is the way I learned starting to ride. Driving stick shift cars for years before getting a bike I guess gave me a natural instinct for not wanting to wear out the clutch. New riders who have only driven automatic transmission cars don’t really have a good understanding if any on what a clutch is and how it functions which has to make it harder learning to ride. Anyway just found this channel, subscribed and it was great to see that I actually learned how to do something right in life 😅
Just bought a Electric Glide after riding a Yamaha Roadstar for 18 years. I find the Electric Glide much harder to handle. Going to practice what your teaching.
Wow I really enjoyed watching your video I found it to be very helpful I’m taking my riding course in 2 weeks I already passed the e-course and got my certificate. Thank you really appreciate your video great job 👍😎🙏
Man i definitely like Your training method better than some other American motorcycle instructors & the way they teach with 1500rpm /1800rpm & always on the back brake, Jerry Palladino teaches this & i brought into it & thought it was the way for me (i still like lots of his methods) But im being honest here im preferring You teachings 😊👍🏍 Think il stick with You for while from now & see how i go 🙏😉 Cheers from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺🍹🕺
Excellent explanation, congratulations on the video and thanks for sharing your technique. Half clutch, rear brake pressure, accelerator at 1500rpm = Extreme wear for sure. I'm from Brazil, 58 years old, now Electra Glide. Congratulations.
Thank you! A wet clutch will also burn with improper clutch and throttle engagement. Low rpm's are not needed for controlled slow speed maneuvers, even with new riders if they are taught properly how to learn it.
I will be in the Walmart parking lot tomorrow morning at 0600! It’s an everyday thing of late. I’m very excited about trying your techniques. Too bad for me I’m in Tennessee and you’re In Texas……
This is what i taught beginners for over 10 yrs. Its correct technique and it works amd you are not placing the unnecessary wear and tear on your bike.
Thanks Jay, good video! Never liked the friction zone method. Been riding for 50 years and just doesn't seem realistic. I did try it with some success, but why tear up your equipment. TCC makes way more sense.
Thank you, I have had 2 goldwings, a roadking, 14 ultra and now a 19 ultra and had never dropped One until the other day in a slow speed turn trying to park,, bike fell over and I came off of it..I felt I had done that maneuver alot and was comfortable doing so but then there I was picking up my bike..thanks again for the video, I will try your technique and hopefully not drop my bike again.
Luv how u say it's not the 'only' way, giving credit to all other instructors, but by far this 'no clutch' and tcc is the best/ safest for low speed maneuvers. I have improved greatly going from 3 parking spaces to 2 in uturns - very satisfying. Maybe worth mentioning not foolproof, especially uphill turns where power is needed- but very gd instruction.
That's just it! Learning total clutch control, then adding proper throttle engagement, those uphill turns or start offs are easy without having to sound like you don't have control!
You are a true Ninja Master on that there big bike 😉 1 day i hope to be close to your ability 🏍👍 Couple of Years of weekly practice & doing some advance bike courses 🏍 😊 & learning from all your Video's on repeat ! Knowledge is NOT a Burden ^ You have plenty to pass on ! Cheers from down under matey 🇦🇺🍹🕺
Well done! Nicely explained. Please continue to expand on this and do more videos and more slow speed maneuver tasks like cone weaves with explanations and instructional breakdowns. PS -I got my drop guards! Now I'm just waiting for the backordered saddlebag guards to come! LOL
I appreciate this info. I'm about to purchase a new bike that has a dry clutch and was wondering how i could do slow speed without wearing my clutch out.
Hello Karen, Glad you are practicing. We are definitely getting our videos ready to go finally on a regular basis. Make sure to share with others to help us grow to help others.
Late to this vid but damn I appreciate it! Been naturally riding slow speed turns like this forever on my Harley. Always works. But, u watch 99% of slow speed maneuvers vids and it’s all about rpms, rear brake, etc. I feel vindicated. 😂
It would help me to know what opening the clutch and engaging the clutch means do you mean squeezing the clutch handle and releasing the clutch handle that would help me out so much sir because I think you can teach me a lot I just need to understand your terminology so squeezing the clutch is opening the clutch and releasing the clutch is engaging the clutch I'm not quite sure, but thank you very much
Jay, I enjoyed watching the video. In fact, I immediately went out and tried it in a parking lot in which I train. Granted, it was starting to rain. But I was able to handle the motorcycle (HD Street Glide Special) very well. Hoping for some better weather as I want to try a host of exercises using this method. I have a Pro Rider course set up in 2 weeks, and have been practicing using the friction zone, as that is how the class is taught. I can tell the wear and tear on my motorcycle already. I am aware of the drills that will be taught in the class, I will try those out first using this method and I will let you know how it works out. Thank You for your service, I too am a retired Police Sergeant from Pennsylvania.
Hey Jack, that was just amazing to me and maybe the first time an instructor say and demonstrate this technic really works. Thanks a lot! Go to practice now,
I am confused Jay because both Jerry Palladino and Robert Simmons who are both retired motorcycle cops and have amazing YT channels teach riders to preload throttle at about 1500 RPMs, combined with using friction zone (clutch control) and rear brake. I am way more concerned about safety than having to replace clutch plates. So my question to you is what are cops taught when learning to ride? Are they taught the methods that Jerry Palladino & Robert Simmons recommend or your method which also makes complete sense? Just curious why two different schools of thought regarding low speed maneuvers and which method is taught to motorcycle cops who are some of the most proficient slow speed riders in the world. Thanks for another great video.👍
Great question! Long answer. Stay tuned for upcoming videos or refer to the U turns made easy video with Total Clutch Control where I briefly explain the basic reasoning, technique and beginning benefits of learning TCC first and then adding the proper throttle control and rear brake as needed. If safety is your concern, then the answer is simple! Learning and mastering TCC first, then learning to use proper throttle control with the fact you have total clutch control itself would tell you that you have developed more control just with those 2 alone, not yet considering learning proper use of the rear brake when needed. I will discuss this further in upcoming videos. Thanks! Train hard, Ride safe
I just bought my first bike last week. This is definitely good to know. Good stuff 🤔. I got some work to do. I can jump on my bike and go. Anybody can do that. It’s those slow pace movements that take people out. You REALLY have to focus on what you’re doing, in order to not drop your bike.
Love these concepts with TCC. Have an 09 Electra Glide Classic and bike idles really low, so it feels as if it's going to stall without throttle added from the start. I'm going to try the add throttle at the same time I open the clutch.
Great videos, I've been practicing a bit but find myself reverting to the throttle (1500-1800ish) and rear brakes and I do fairly well. My bike has a heavy cam and a distinct lope at idle/low rpm. Seems power is not constant/steady and fluctuates to the rear wheel at or near idle. Any suggestions and recommendations for a work around?
Thank you Jay. I’m a new rider, with a month and a half of and riding and Practicing. When I had to do a U turn in the street I only used the clutch, no rear brake, and when Im working on going in Circle I don’t use the rear brake. I don’t like using the rear brake I feel like when I do I’m going to drop the motorcycle so I try only using the clutch only thank you for proving that, and showing it on your video take care hope to link up with you in the great state of Texas, I live in Killeen Texas
Hello from motogymkhanaKyiv! Good idea to teach doing it without using brakes/clutch, The only thing it will work on stock RPM if bike has just enough torque and power not more and not less. For example on my old 800cc suzuki it is impossible without rising rpms a little because the bike will fall. I'm fully agree that it is a good instrument for the rider but imho technic with clutch/brakes is also necessary because it will cover more situations on the road and bikes which don't have enough power.
@deltaecho5221 except its all total clutch first to do the motor officer patterns, then u get to add throttle and then rear brake. Train hard, Ride safe
Hi Jay, love this technique, thanks for your videos! On my bike (Indian Chief 116), the engine lugs at idle (around 1000 rpm) so I can work around this by disengaging the clutch slightly into the friction zone, then I can do clutch, no throttle or rear brake. Is that correct? Roughly what rpm do your bikes idle at? Thanks again, I would love to train with you someday.
Awesome, great video. Thanks Jay. This is definitely a new take and not something I've come across before. I'm going to try this on the parking lot at the weekend 😎👍
Hey Jay , inspired by your tcc , I tried ttc, total throttle control , 18 ft figure 8 , no clutch , no brake , mostly on idle and use tiny bit of throttle when I felt like bike tipping over , that's it
Hello, thanks for.watching amd hope you will subscribe! When u feel like the bike is going over engage the clutch a little more, add a little rpm, and apply slight pressure to the rear brakes. You will feel the bike stabilize and no younare using the clutch, throttle and rear brakes properlynas needed. And u have applied little wear and tear to your bike. It takes practice and not once a week, but daily to until u get the skills and then you have to maintain them. Train hard, Ride safe!
First time seeing your channel. After viewing your video on slow speed u-turn with only clutch control I can't wait to try it. I have tried using the brake, throttle and clutch and I'm either going too fast or hitting the rear brake too much causing problems. Fortunately I have not dropped the bike but it was frustrating. I have a 2017 Road King which idles around 850-900. Is this rpm sufficient for your techniques? Thank you and can't wait for additional videos.
Well thanks for watching and i hope you will subscribe. If your bike idles at 800-900 rpm's thats fine, just use proper throttle engagement as you engage the clutch further out to that sweet spot in the friction zone where you can make the turns comfortably for you. I will be making a 2nd part to this video soon to further explain. Train hard, Ride safe!
wow, wonderful training. I have some queston about tcc. 1st gear and no throttle and rear brake, how to go forward with a steady speed with clutch? I feel like drop my bike without throttle a little bit.
If you mentioned it I missed it unfortunately, but what is your idle RPM? I guess if it's too low you would stop and too fast would be no good either? Thanks
At what rpm do you have idle set? Your bike has quite a bit of more power than my KLR 650 on just clutch speed, I’m finding I need throttle assist to get to you momentum. Thanks.
I see what you’re doing.That’s the way I want my turns to be. I will have to start practicing to get total clutch control.I need to know how much play the clutch should have,should it be loose or tight?😊
I like using the clutch man just because of my dirt bike experience. Wear and tear on the clutch is what makes everything fun on a bike. If you’re afraid to change the clutch out then drive a prius
I don't like spending money on replacing things that don't need to be replaced. But hey if you got money to burn, I could use some new tires. LOL Train hard, Ride safe!
It just takes practice and being able to lose the fear of dropping your motorcycle makes it even easier which is what motorcycle drop giards have done for thousands of riders now.
Hello, thank you for this video! When you are making these sharp low speed turns, are you initiating the turns with counter steering? Especially when you had one hand in the windscreen with the right hand, I was wondering if you were initiating the right hand turn by pulling backwards on the left handlebar to lean right? Thanks!
I think he is counter steering. From what I know, even at low speeds the most effective way to make a turn is to counter steer the handle bars, but I might be wrong on the matter. Hopefully you will get a proper response.
Curious, why don’t you teach clutch (friction point) throttle, and eye sight? I taught police motor school 30 years. Almost everyone of my students went on to place extremely high in several regional and national rodeos. I understand that civilian riding isn’t as demanding, but if you were to teach to a higher level, they are sure to come out excelling beyond just a standard rider which would put them extremely high on skills. Also do you teach off road, loose soil, inclines, declines, in wet grass? These equal out to life saving skills on the road.
Excellent points! Thanks for commenting. These are loaded questions, but I will try to answer as brief and to the point as possible, this may be better answered in a video about these points. I actually agree 100%, about training to a higher standard, and that is why I teach total clutch control first. The clutch is just a tension pull, such as the clutch cable when you engage it allows the clutch plates to freely move when tension is released. I have found students relate much better, and advance quickly when they know exactly what the clutch is doing when they operate it. As I always say in my videos, and tell my students, this is not competition riding we are doing here, its slow controlled maneuvers, and yes head and eyes among many other things are taught to those who train with me. Now to your point of training to a higher standard. That is why I teach total clutch control first. Im glad to see many police depts are now teaching officers who have been through the Motor Officer training, and are returning for yearly and monthly training, to ride the basic motor officer patterns, intersection, W, and others with no rear brake use, due to it being a higher level of training of control and skill. So I do that from the start, but one step further, using clutch control only. Though I was definitely not the first guy to do it, but I started teaching no rear brake use while riding the motor officer patterns over 12 yrs ago, and it kind of caught on due to TH-cam and Social Media as there was nobody else teaching this method. It was share slowly and then I started teaching students to use total clutch control, why not, and they excel with it quickly as you see in the videos. Not many are teaching total clutch control, but some courses are now teaching that as well. Now I also train students who train with me to do competition patterns with clutch only, but I always tell them that, its not the purpose of the patterns as they are done for time in competition. But of course it's always fun to do them with TCC. My main objective is to teach how these patterns relate to real world riding skills out on the street, so we use them in ways I don't see others doing but I found they work well for such as the intersection, W or even the Keyhole. The techniques I teach are what I did as a professional motor officer and instructor, and still do while performing escorts through grid locked traffic in the 4th largest city in the nation which include using the Clutch, Throttle and Rear Brake, but with minimal wear and tear due to having better clutch and proper throttle engagement. I see so many motor officers lacking in skill with their clutch, throttle and rear brake, even some competitive riders while placing so much unnecessary wear and tear on their bikes. I just trained 5 motor officers last weekend which we will have a video of, who had completed a week of motor officer training and were struggling in the class. Those who came to me before the class all passed, but those who waited and then came after being instructed to learn clutch, throttle (1500 rpms), and rear brake failed because bad habits are hard to break. I know many competition riders who have had more collisions out on the street than those who don't ride competitions. There is a difference is competitive riding, street riding, track riding, dirt riding, and I have found its first related to mentality, some become way to confident. We don't have much wet grass to ride in, but lots and lots of wet concrete, loose gravel, red dirt, obstacle avoidance (pot holes, Metro rails, missing man hole covers, alligators (Semi Truck Tire Treads everywhere), and millions of distracted drivers. But I do teach those who follow through with training to ride in all types of these scenarios, including incline, which we dont have hills. I dont' share everything I do on TH-cam for multiple reasons, most importantly mis-interpretations and keyboard hacks. But Im proud to say, that those who have trained with me, and have also trained with others, always leave saying it's the best training they have received. Hope that answers your questions Train hard, Ride safe
I have a question. Did you have the clutch fully disengaged while doing the slow turns, or do you feather the clutch. Also I can do sharp left hand turns but not so much when turning right. Do you have any suggestions on that, videos on that subject. Great video and thanks for them.
I demonstrate the u turns with the clutch totally dis-engaged, also engaging the clutch into the grey zone. Stay tuned for upcoming videos going deeper into this. Hope you will subscribe and share so that we can continue to grow and help educate others. Train hard, Ride safe!
Thank you! I am now seeing other TH-cam channels revising their takes and now talking about not having to use the rear brake, and not having to raise the RPM's to 1500, 1800 or 2000 as they have in the past. Total Clutch Control (TCC) with Proper Throttle engagement is all you need to use.
Wow! That was pretty cool. Definitely a different technique from the other videos I've been watching. It really helped to see from the riders view also, Made me feel like I was experiencing the lean required to make these tight turns. I find, however, in my riding that when I need to do a U turn, it's almost always from a complete stop, so no momentum. Open clutch only won't do it. But, I'm going to practice TCC anyway next time I'm in a parking lot. Less to think about when it's just clutch only. I've never been able to make a turn within a 2 parking lot space. 3 is the best I've done so far. Question . . . how fast are you going with no throttle and just an open clutch on those tight turns?
Hello Dave, Thanks for the kind words. Im really glad to hear you are practicing. To 1 point in your reply, you actually dont need the throttle to do a u turn from a stop. It can still be done without throttle input. (STAY TUNED). But even though it can be done, you should still use PROPER throttle engagement to do it, to save the wear and tear on your bike from using high rpms with improper clutch engagement. The goal is to develop Total Clutch Control (TCC) with proper throttle engagement. We will be doing a follow up to this video soon. I hope you will subscribe and share with others so we can get this message out to help as many as we can. Train hard, Ride safe! Jay
That’s all and good. But. In the real world of riding on gravel. Or on hills on the road all three ways , so I may have to use back brackets,,,, friction zone and throttle to keep my bike up on its wheels. 😊that you recommend are necessary
I am going to try this. I was using the friction zone method on my Road King for a while in a parking lot and after my clutch was making noise as I rode the bike.
Does Harley's hydraulic clutch make a difference? Looks like this video is using a hydraulic clutch. For a non-hydraulic clutch, where do you set Free Play and Run out adjustments? Are you using a stronger diaphragm? Assume you are operating with Harley's standard clutch friction plates, or are you using Screamin' Eagle or aftermarket Clutch components?
Never thought of it this way. Excellent. I'll be trying that soon. I'm 72 years old, 56 years on two wheels. Never to old to learn something new.
Absolutely
God bless you!
Beat you by one year, and I'm still riding. But a lot more careful than I used to.
73 here, and still learning. Pre-loading with too much throttle never felt good to me, I like your method the best for slow speed turns.. Thank you for a great video!
Jay’s techniques greatly lessen the wear and tear on your machine but to master TCC (total clutch control) takes practice practice practice. I started with Jay in April of last year and by the middle of Summer Jay had me riding motor officer patterns which you will not be able to do well with the throttle set at 1800 rpm and you’ll be replacing your clutch. You’ll know you’ve got it when you don’t have to think about it. Your motorcycle becomes an extension of you. Did I mention it takes dedication and practice? Every day.
Thanks Jay!
Thanks Greg! You did awesome
So basically just stay in the friction zone?
I've been riding over 20 years and I constantly practice but the way you make those tight circles so effortlessly makes me feel like I just started riding...
Hello Steve, anyone can do this, its just practice and understanding..Thanks for watching and hope you will subscribe, share and help us grow to reach more riders.
100% logical! I never understood forcing components to work so hard against each other while maneuvering. I'm glad I found your video that I'm not the only one thinking this way.
Thank you sir! Yes, it goes against everything that is being taught on other youtube channels but we are seeing others now saying rear brake is not needed and that it can be done with only clutch. I have been teaching this method to students for over 10 yrs and they pick it up much more quickly and have more control, and less wear and tear. Im just glad to see more folks training!
Because there are plenty of different motorcycles and road situations. The approach shown in this movie works. But it works for this particular motorcycle with a huge torque engine and for this specific perfect environment where the pavement is perfect and nothing is going on around. It's enough to replace the motorcycle with less powerful which easily starts jerking and the game is over. Besides, in the case of an uh-oh moment, again, you can't instantly straighten up a motorcycle by releasing a clutch or rear brake. Instead, you must turn the throttle and pray. So the combination of increased RPM, friction zone, and rear brake makes slow-speed maneuvers much safer in real-world conditions and regardless of the motorcycle, you are using. The clutch-only technique is useful, but it doesn't mean it would work in all circumstances.
Hello Alex, thanks for watching and your reply. Definitely give me a call or email me sometime, a call is better. There is quite a bit of mis- information in your response and i love to talk training with folks. Train hard, Ride safe!
Jay
Great to have an opposing view when you can. Articulate succinctly , without attack.
I certainly relate to that uh-oh moment. I am not a skilled rider, though I like having an assorted tool choice for slow, speed maneuvering@@AlexS-gn9tq
Glad I found this. It's the way I taught myself actually, years go with a Sportster. You learn the sense of how much added power to the rear wheel is necessary when you get proficient riding a bicycle as a child. And you learn to do tight maneuvers at slow speeds as a child. Never would you apply the rear brake, while pedaling a bicycle to do a slow speed turn. You just use your natural sense of balance and your instincts will tell you if you need to apply more power... like if you start to lean over too much like you're going to fall. Fast forward to today. 30 years on a motorcycle, and never a lesson. Just used the these instincts and balance and mastered the interplay between the clutch lever and the throttle tube. All was well until I bought I Triumph Rocket Touring. Must be the most difficult slow speed maneuverer on the planet. So I start watching other former police officers and now instructors. I just don't want to do it the way they teach. I will return to my old way, which is what you teach. Could you clarify for myself and others... everywhere you go on the internet it's a problem with terminology. When you say open the clutch do you mean release the lever or squeeze the lever? When you say engage the clutch do you mean release the lever or squeeze in the lever. I think this will help a lot of people who want to watch your videos...myself included. Thank you!
This is the best video yet from all of your videos because you’re talking through exactly at each point where your disengaging and rein engaging the clutch. Thanks so much.
I'm 74 years young and still riding brother , good for you keep on biking.
Excellent video. Practicing these maneuvers with clutch ONLY at the beginning is incredibly helpful for development of clutch control. It also slows down your speed (if you’ve been using too much throttle to compensate) and allows the bars go to full lock easier. Starting to learn these exercises with clutch only is something I wish more people would talk about. Thank you for sharing that information.
Hello Francis, Thanks for the positive words. Im working on new videos, so please share the channel. We want to help others who may benefit from what we do.
I can personally testify to the benefits of Jay’s techniques. I have been riding tight cone patterns for the past 3 years using the throttle , friction zone, and rear brake techniques. I went through 3 clutches and 5 sets of rear brake pads in 25k miles. Then I discovered Jay and his no rear brake videos. I tried them and discovered that I was using the rear brake as a crutch and it was limiting further improvement. So i decided to learn the brakeless technique. It took a while to break old habits and learn to do the patterns brakeless. Additional benefits are that you have to be more deliberate with your body position, head and eyes to perform the maneuvers brakeless and you learn fine control of that clutch and throttle. Later, if you get this technique down you will be able to do even tighter turns and circles than you before with the brake and if you are in a tight space, you will only have to use the rear brake for speed control.
It doesnt take long to learn it. We are going to break it down even further in the next video. Thanks for your support amd make sure you share us with others.
@@motorofficertraining I know its probably not that hard if you start that way. What I was trying to say is learn brakeless first. If you start with dragging the rear brake, it becomes a crutch AND a habit that’s hard to break. And if you are currently doing the slow speed stuff dragging the rear brake…STOP… and start practicing brakeless. And BTW….all of the civilian motor schools; as well as competitions, are now incorporating brakeless into the curriculum. There are currently no Motorcycle Clutch Guards or Motorcycle Brake guards available so do brakeless…..✌️
@@motorofficertraining WOW! I'll try your techniques. Like you said, I was watching other videos on friction zone, throttle, and rear brake.
@@haroldyazzie3538 As old-slo-locked-n-leaned stated, Training schools are starting to incorporate this technique, though I don't think I have heard of any course teaching just total clutch control from the start. As a police motor instructor for a large agency in Texas, I hope they will incorporate it because with the right process students learn to control their bikes quickly with proper clutch and throttle engagement, without the wear and tear . I have been using this technique and teaching this for many years but glad to see it's catching on. Train hard, Ride safe!
Just saw this video^^ I am a beginner and have been practicing in front of my yard (some gravel and mostly grass) for the past couple weeks. I mostly use clutch control (with little to no throttle) to get the bike moving and turning. Manual car can be done this way as well. That's how I learned to drive the stick.
Thank you for this video. I haven’t been able to ride a lot in the last few years. I started watching YT videos, and I’m seeing all of this clutch, hi rev, rear brake technique that seems overly complicated. What you’re teaching is how I learned. I’m glad that I haven’t been doing wrong for the last 20 years.
Jay what your teaching is truly a game changer!! It’s another tool in my riding/teaching tool bag. Your demonstration shows how TCC(total clutch control ) is more efficient than having the engine working hard and the brakes heating up. TCC will lead to total control of your bike when riding slow (which is the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of riding a motorcycle).I believe from looking at some of the statistics in MVA’s with motorcycles there is a lack of understanding of how to handle a motorcycle at slow speeds(who I was once ).Of course the rider needs to master that clutch engagement,slow and smooth to allow the stored energy to be released and become kinetic energy . Once I started using this technique I was amazed because it’s not taught that way. Thanks for engineering your drop guards and demonstrating your TCC technique
Thank you sir! Hope you will subscribe and share
Thank you ! Practiced today without loading the throttle , works great! It takes the other steps ( rear brake , throttle)out of the equation . Thanks again!
Im glad you experienced it for yourself. Just keep practicing and hope you will continue with us, subscribe and share to help your fellow riders. Train hard, Ride safe! Jay
I need to practice this. I'm always afraid of dropping my bike.
I did well at motorman training 20 years ago, but I did use heavy rear braking. Keeping power to the rear wheel with the throttle was also drilled into my head. I have my own Road King now and I would love to learn Total Clutch Control. I would not have to heat up the clutch and smoke my rear brakes! It is gonna take alot of mental retraining. I remember engaging to much clutch while deep into the turn and going straight down. Ofcourse, that is part of how I learned the friction zone and the timing of slow maneuvers. Thank you for demonstrating that decelerating can be done with just the clutch and the bike can stay up through the turn.
Unfortunatley, most riders never develop the correct use of the clutch throttle and rear brake. I have seen soooo many students burn clutches, brakes and rotors over the years. All because of mis-information from Instructors who dont have the total control themselves.
Thank you sir, for your great tutorial. It's a real eye opener. You not only give us your views on how to make a u-turn with the bike, you also show how it's done. As with a lot of things in life there are more ways than one to do something, but this is a very logical way to approach it. It's certainly worth practicing and doing in real riding conditions, not only on some parking lot. And if I practice it a lot, it will become what the Americans call "musclememory", very useful in staying alive and keeping the bike and myself in one piece. Thanks again for sharing, greetings from The Netherlands 😎🇳🇱🇺🇸🇳🇱🇺🇸
Thank you sir for the kind words! I hope you will subcribe and share us with your friends. I am trying to make it as clear as possible as to how total clutch control is really that easy to learn with proper throttle engagement. The use of applying brake pressure and raising the throttle to 1500-1800 rpm is a really good way to burn brakes and clutch plates over time and in many cases in a short period of time for many. I have seen many motor officers have to replace brakes and clutches because of that type technique. Proper clutch engagement with proper throttle engagement is the correct way to use any clutch, car or motorcycle.
your video's are great i ride a 97 Electra glide and the more i pay attention and try they all work thank you... learning and putting faith in trying makes all the difference
I just came off of a 07 shadow 750, on to a 97 Electra Glide and this thing's a way different animal than what I'm used to
This is fantastic!! I've always been taught the throttle, clutch, brake, friction zone method. Yes, it works, but I was also concerned about premature wear and tear, but didn't know any other solution. This is PERFECT because I just bought a new Gold Wing. I have been able to turn my cruiser on a dime, but the Wing is a whole new animal, and I'm really struggling with slow speed stuff because of the sensitivity of the throttle and clutch. My cruiser had a much bigger "slop factor" with the throttle and clutch. Now I need to go find a good place to practice after I wrap my bike in bubble wrap. LOL
I had a goldwing for many years, the techniques work the same.
@@motorofficertraining Ya, the techniques are the same. It's just getting used to the totally different feel of the bike and working up my nerve a bit more...LOL
@@motorofficertraining Great instruction!! In which gear would you have done these maneuvers on the goldwing? Thanks!
Excellent video! KUDOS!
I've never been a "professional motorcycle policeman," but I began riding dirt bikes when I was 11-12 years old (I'm now 68), and I learned the absolute Importance of "keeping my center of balance in the center" and "clutch control" on the dirt course! It helps a lot to keep you from getting all banged up after a fall!
After I got my driver's license, I've been using those same techniques "balance, clutch, & speed control" on my motorcycle ever since on the street course. It's even more important on the street! Because streets are paved, and "if" you fall on pavement, your body takes a beating! I don't know about anyone else, but personally, I don't particularly like "beating up my body," especially because I know that simple basic "COMMON-SENSE" is going to save me a lot of pain!
And even though I've been riding legally on the roads for 52 years, every so often I turn into a big open parking lot and do some "figure 8's" and "circles" in each direction just to have a little fun... which also serves to give me some "practice" on my turns, balance, and clutch control! And those techniques are not just for in parking lots doing figure 8's and circles!
I use those same COMMON-SENSE techniques on every road I ride on, at stop lights and stop signs, and they are especially helpful for avoiding obstacles in the road, and even finding a parking space and "maneuvering" my bike into that parking space in such a way that I don't have to "fight with my bike" to get back out of that parking space!
I weigh 200 pounds, my bike weighs 800 pounds, I'm 68 years old and I don't have the strength that I had when I was 20 years old! Thank GOD that I have the knowledge combined with 57-years-experience on how to handle my bike with "balance and control" rather than "brute strength!" Because if I wasn't capable of handling my big cruiser correctly and safely, I would have to give up riding motorcycles! And that's just NOT on my bucket list! At least not for another 40 or 50 years! (wink, wink)!
Is it safely the best video I have ever found. I don't know how I missed something so simple and till I watched you clutching. I guess I never really thought of the clutch is that kind of controlling for some reason
Most use high rpm's for fear of dropping and damaging the motorcycle, that's why thousands are using Motorcycle Drop Guards to remove the fear or concern of dropping the motorcycle. Once a student sees their bike is protected its amazing they can focus on learning total and proper clutch and throttle engagement without the unnecessary wear and tear 99% of riders place on their bikes, especially over time.
I just took a Ride Like A Pro course and now, seeing this video, I feel like your approach is much simpler and easier on the bike. Can't wait to try this out in the parking lot - after I install my drop guards :)
I'm glad it helped!
Jay, this is a great refresher video from my lesson with you last year, man it’s so easy to go back to bad habits. Got my seat back today from Russell Day Long Seats & had them raise and move me forward in the saddle, really great slow speed control now. Practiced this evening & without any throttle or clutch, was doing 18’ u-turns right away, even took my right hand off the accelerator completely (still holding the handlebar, just not the accelerator) and let the bike do its thing by leaning and locking the handlebars. Of course my instinct is to slow down and try to control it but I put my faith in the technique and Red Mama did her thing, & she didn’t let me down, literally nor figuratively.
I watched your videos and went out to practice… it absolutely works and builds your confidence. I ride a bmw gs 1250 and though it s a different kind of bike it really helped me a lot. It s so relaxed, just working with the clutch. Just wanted to say, thank you sir.
You are so welcome! I am glad it helped you!
Train hard, Ride safe!
Jay
Yes, I completely agree with you. This is exactly how I learned at the first time. Clutch opening will be replaced by the opening of the throttle. That's the way should be. Thank you for showing to everyone.
Thank you sir! We are trying to help more and more so please share our channel. Train hard, Ride safe
@motorofficerskilltraining I will, and yours is just so simple. I wish I am close by with you. :) we can have fun on mc. Take care
This is revelatory; thank you, Jay! You've helped me immensely in the few back-and-forth comments we've had on TH-cam, and I'm so grateful you did a lengthier instructive video. Your teaching style is plain-spoken with no fluff or complication, and that's incredibly helpful. For instance, for about a year, I was on the "1800 to 2000 RPM" train, but when I watched a video of you in a parking garage, I was so impressed I asked you about your RPMs. You told me how low they were, and for months I've been practicing getting them consistently lower (I'm generally around 1200 now, but still fearful of dropping my '21 Street Bob at anything lower). But this technique of essentially doing these maneuvers at idle has me so friggin intrigued, I can't wait to practice this weekend! Thank you again, man! 🤘✌
Peter, I'm glad i could help. There is a time and place for raising RPM's and rear brake use among other techniques, but for slow controlled u turns and such high rpms are not needed. I will be discussing this in a new video im working on.
@@motorofficertraining Practiced this weekend, Jay, and what an eye opener! Thanks a million! I was nervous at first because my Street Bob idles between 800-850, but after a few minutes on Friday afternoon, I was doing exactly as you instructed: no throttle, pulling the clutch all the way in to turn (which, wow! REALLY gets to full lock quickly), and focused on momentum. After about 20 mins, I went back to the "usual way," but even then, was able to run around 1100 RPMs, which was a huge improvement for me. Spent about 45 mins practicing again this evening, and it was even better. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us because, as far as I'm aware, you're the only one. What a gift!
This is the way I learned starting to ride. Driving stick shift cars for years before getting a bike I guess gave me a natural instinct for not wanting to wear out the clutch. New riders who have only driven automatic transmission cars don’t really have a good understanding if any on what a clutch is and how it functions which has to make it harder learning to ride. Anyway just found this channel, subscribed and it was great to see that I actually learned how to do something right in life 😅
Thank you for the kind words and for subscribing. We will work hard
OK I finally did my U-turn and two car links. I was scared but I turned my head and I did it. Thank you
That's awesome! Keep working on Total clutch control and proper throttle engagement and I promise you will see the difference.
Just bought a Electric Glide after riding a Yamaha Roadstar for 18 years. I find the Electric Glide much harder to handle. Going to practice what your teaching.
It works perfectly as you see in other videos how quickly beginners and tenured riders get control very quickly with this method.
Wow I really enjoyed watching your video I found it to be very helpful I’m taking my riding course in 2 weeks I already passed the e-course and got my certificate. Thank you really appreciate your video great job 👍😎🙏
Thank you! Hope you will subscribe and share to help us continue to do this for folks! Train hard, Ride safe!
Man i definitely like Your training method better than some other American motorcycle instructors & the way they teach with 1500rpm /1800rpm & always on the back brake, Jerry Palladino teaches this & i brought into it & thought it was the way for me (i still like lots of his methods) But im being honest here im preferring You teachings 😊👍🏍 Think il stick with You for while from now & see how i go 🙏😉 Cheers from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺🍹🕺
Excellent explanation, congratulations on the video and thanks for sharing your technique.
Half clutch, rear brake pressure, accelerator at 1500rpm = Extreme wear for sure.
I'm from Brazil, 58 years old, now Electra Glide.
Congratulations.
Its not that extream on newer bikes, its a wet clutch it can handle it, but good to know regardless
Thank you! A wet clutch will also burn with improper clutch and throttle engagement. Low rpm's are not needed for controlled slow speed maneuvers, even with new riders if they are taught properly how to learn it.
I will be in the Walmart parking lot tomorrow morning at 0600! It’s an everyday thing of late. I’m very excited about trying your techniques. Too bad for me I’m in Tennessee and you’re In Texas……
Let me know if you have any questions at all that i can help with.
I am also in Tennessee what Walmart are you talking about? Always looking to practice..
Many thanks Sergeant, you're a credit to the community. Thanks for sharing your expertise
This is next level clutch control skill that is very valuable in learning to master slow speed skill
This is what i taught beginners for over 10 yrs. Its correct technique and it works amd you are not placing the unnecessary wear and tear on your bike.
Thanks Jay, good video! Never liked the friction zone method. Been riding for 50 years and just doesn't seem realistic. I did try it with some success, but why tear up your equipment. TCC makes way more sense.
Thank you, I have had 2 goldwings, a roadking, 14 ultra and now a 19 ultra and had never dropped
One until the other day in a slow speed turn trying to park,, bike fell over and I came off of it..I felt I had done that maneuver alot and was comfortable doing so but then there I was picking up my bike..thanks again for the video, I will try your technique and hopefully not drop my bike again.
Its just practice!
Luv how u say it's not the 'only' way, giving credit to all other instructors, but by far this 'no clutch' and tcc is the best/ safest for low speed maneuvers. I have improved greatly going from 3 parking spaces to 2 in uturns - very satisfying.
Maybe worth mentioning not foolproof, especially uphill turns where power is needed- but very gd instruction.
Thanks for the kind words sir! Train hard, Ride safe
That's just it! Learning total clutch control, then adding proper throttle engagement, those uphill turns or start offs are easy without having to sound like you don't have control!
You are a true Ninja Master on that there big bike 😉 1 day i hope to be close to your ability 🏍👍 Couple of Years of weekly practice & doing some advance bike courses 🏍 😊 & learning from all your Video's on repeat ! Knowledge is NOT a Burden ^ You have plenty to pass on ! Cheers from down under matey 🇦🇺🍹🕺
Well done! Nicely explained. Please continue to expand on this and do more videos and more slow speed maneuver tasks like cone weaves with explanations and instructional breakdowns. PS -I got my drop guards! Now I'm just waiting for the backordered saddlebag guards to come! LOL
Thanks Bill, I plan on making some new videos. Please make sure to share the channel with others.
I appreciate this info. I'm about to purchase a new bike that has a dry clutch and was wondering how i could do slow speed without wearing my clutch out.
This method will work perfectly. Learn TCC first, then add proper throttle engagement and learn proper use of the rear brake, not dragging it.
Oh wow Jay! This is definitely going to challenge me! Looking forward to your next video! 😊
Hello Karen, Glad you are practicing. We are definitely getting our videos ready to go finally on a regular basis. Make sure to share with others to help us grow to help others.
I did it for the first time unbelievable never thought it could be done this way great info 👍🏿
It's easy! We teach brand new riders to make 18 foot u turns in less than an hour with total clutch control. Good job bud!
@@motorofficertraining Thanks
Late to this vid but damn I appreciate it!
Been naturally riding slow speed turns like this forever on my Harley. Always works.
But, u watch 99% of slow speed maneuvers vids and it’s all about rpms, rear brake, etc.
I feel vindicated. 😂
It would help me to know what opening the clutch and engaging the clutch means do you mean squeezing the clutch handle and releasing the clutch handle that would help me out so much sir because I think you can teach me a lot I just need to understand your terminology so squeezing the clutch is opening the clutch and releasing the clutch is engaging the clutch I'm not quite sure, but thank you very much
Jay, I enjoyed watching the video. In fact, I immediately went out and tried it in a parking lot in which I train. Granted, it was starting to rain. But I was able to handle the motorcycle (HD Street Glide Special) very well. Hoping for some better weather as I want to try a host of exercises using this method. I have a Pro Rider course set up in 2 weeks, and have been practicing using the friction zone, as that is how the class is taught. I can tell the wear and tear on my motorcycle already. I am aware of the drills that will be taught in the class, I will try those out first using this method and I will let you know how it works out. Thank You for your service, I too am a retired Police Sergeant from Pennsylvania.
Thank you sir, and thanks for your service as well! Call anytime with any questions
What a wonderful technique. I find this to be very helpful.
It makes a huge difference when you develop your clutch control prior to proper throttle engagement and proper use of the rear brake.
Hey Jack, that was just amazing to me and maybe the first time an instructor say and demonstrate this technic really works. Thanks a lot! Go to practice now,
Glad it helped!
When I took the basic riders course at gaston college, nc that's how they taught us, good instruction video
I am confused Jay because both Jerry Palladino and Robert Simmons who are both retired motorcycle cops and have amazing YT channels teach riders to preload throttle at about 1500 RPMs, combined with using friction zone (clutch control) and rear brake. I am way more concerned about safety than having to replace clutch plates. So my question to you is what are cops taught when learning to ride? Are they taught the methods that Jerry Palladino & Robert Simmons recommend or your method which also makes complete sense? Just curious why two different schools of thought regarding low speed maneuvers and which method is taught to motorcycle cops who are some of the most proficient slow speed riders in the world. Thanks for another great video.👍
Great question! Long answer. Stay tuned for upcoming videos or refer to the U turns made easy video with Total Clutch Control where I briefly explain the basic reasoning, technique and beginning benefits of learning TCC first and then adding the proper throttle control and rear brake as needed. If safety is your concern, then the answer is simple! Learning and mastering TCC first, then learning to use proper throttle control with the fact you have total clutch control itself would tell you that you have developed more control just with those 2 alone, not yet considering learning proper use of the rear brake when needed. I will discuss this further in upcoming videos.
Thanks!
Train hard, Ride safe
I just bought my first bike last week. This is definitely good to know. Good stuff 🤔. I got some work to do. I can jump on my bike and go. Anybody can do that. It’s those slow pace movements that take people out. You REALLY have to focus on what you’re doing, in order to not drop your bike.
You can do it!
Love these concepts with TCC. Have an 09 Electra Glide Classic and bike idles really low, so it feels as if it's going to stall without throttle added from the start. I'm going to try the add throttle at the same time I open the clutch.
Thats all ya gotta do! Train hard, Ride safe!
Great videos, I've been practicing a bit but find myself reverting to the throttle (1500-1800ish) and rear brakes and I do fairly well. My bike has a heavy cam and a distinct lope at idle/low rpm. Seems power is not constant/steady and fluctuates to the rear wheel at or near idle. Any suggestions and recommendations for a work around?
Yes I do! Practice my friend..Clutch Control with proper throttle engagement works on any motorcycle.
Thank you Jay. I’m a new rider, with a month and a half of and riding and Practicing. When I had to do a U turn in the street I only used the clutch, no rear brake, and when Im working on going in Circle I don’t use the rear brake. I don’t like using the rear brake I feel like when I do I’m going to drop the motorcycle so I try only using the clutch only thank you for proving that, and showing it on your video take care hope to link up with you in the great state of Texas, I live in Killeen Texas
Wesley, thank for the kind words. Feel free to come to Houston anytime on the weekends. We train as much as we can.
Amazing!! I’ve got a lot of practicing to do. Thank you for the video!
Glad it was helpful!
Hello from motogymkhanaKyiv! Good idea to teach doing it without using brakes/clutch, The only thing it will work on stock RPM if bike has just enough torque and power not more and not less. For example on my old 800cc suzuki it is impossible without rising rpms a little because the bike will fall. I'm fully agree that it is a good instrument for the rider but imho technic with clutch/brakes is also necessary because it will cover more situations on the road and bikes which don't have enough power.
Yes it has its place!
Thanks so much I looked at several other videos on this your way is awesome
Thank you! Its has worked well for lots and lots of folks.
Great video and makes perfect sense especially on bikes with a lot of torque. Can you please say what gear you made the tight turns in? Thanks
1st and 2nd...its easier in 2nd but can be done in 1st and using only the clutch.
@@motorofficertraining Thanks for your reply.
I just got a street glide for a song. I’ve not had a chance to practice. I’m going to try this guy first.
It will work very well for you!!
Been riding for decades but this is a complete revelation to me. How can I get in on your lessons ?
Just give us a call!
Nice work! Almost identical what we get taught as police motorman
@deltaecho5221 except its all total clutch first to do the motor officer patterns, then u get to add throttle and then rear brake. Train hard, Ride safe
YOU ARE THE MAN!
I wanna see you LAY IT DOWN on the competition course!
CMOWWN!
YOU CAN DO IT!
Been there done that!
Hi Jay, love this technique, thanks for your videos! On my bike (Indian Chief 116), the engine lugs at idle (around 1000 rpm) so I can work around this by disengaging the clutch slightly into the friction zone, then I can do clutch, no throttle or rear brake. Is that correct? Roughly what rpm do your bikes idle at? Thanks again, I would love to train with you someday.
I have a video with an Indian coming out soon and you will see how it works.
@@motorofficertraining amazing, thank you!
Awesome, great video. Thanks Jay. This is definitely a new take and not something I've come across before. I'm going to try this on the parking lot at the weekend 😎👍
Thanks
I like this so much more but is it normal for my engine to chuggle like it wants more power? Or am I just not being smooth enough with my clutch?
Open and closed clutch is confusing terminology. It’s engaged or disengaged.
Hey Jay , inspired by your tcc , I tried ttc, total throttle control , 18 ft figure 8 , no clutch , no brake , mostly on idle and use tiny bit of throttle when I felt like bike tipping over , that's it
Hello, thanks for.watching amd hope you will subscribe! When u feel like the bike is going over engage the clutch a little more, add a little rpm, and apply slight pressure to the rear brakes. You will feel the bike stabilize and no younare using the clutch, throttle and rear brakes properlynas needed. And u have applied little wear and tear to your bike. It takes practice and not once a week, but daily to until u get the skills and then you have to maintain them. Train hard, Ride safe!
Having constant power to the back wheel actually is helpful to pull yourself out of a sudden lean angle.
Absolutely, when needed it sure does. But remember high rpm's and rear brake are not needed for slow controlled maneuvers once TCC is accomplished.
Are you using the gray area in the turns or full clutch open?
We will be doing a follow up to explain even more
Hello...thank you very much...I will follow your advice...greetings from Chile
I am looking forward to try it. Simple question: when you open up the clutch in u turn, do you open it fully or in friction zone?
It's a slow amd steady controlled opening.
Amazing technique!
Thank you! Anyone can do it
i like that aproach will employ these stratagies, so thank you. My question is will the method work on an Indian springfield darkhorse with the 116
Clutch control and proper throttle engagement works on any bike
I like this way better
I will start practicing this way
Thank you!
I need your class, I’ve never ridden before
First time seeing your channel. After viewing your video on slow speed u-turn with only clutch control I can't wait to try it. I have tried using the brake, throttle and clutch and I'm either going too fast or hitting the rear brake too much causing problems. Fortunately I have not dropped the bike but it was frustrating. I have a 2017 Road King which idles around 850-900. Is this rpm sufficient for your techniques? Thank you and can't wait for additional videos.
Well thanks for watching and i hope you will subscribe. If your bike idles at 800-900 rpm's thats fine, just use proper throttle engagement as you engage the clutch further out to that sweet spot in the friction zone where you can make the turns comfortably for you. I will be making a 2nd part to this video soon to further explain. Train hard, Ride safe!
Great video. Completely opposite from what others teach. Thanks for sharing.
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing and looks so much easier.
good show mate loots a great stuff in there 👍👍
Thank you! Hope you share!
Great info. Will look for more of your videos.
Thank you!
wow, wonderful training. I have some queston about tcc. 1st gear and no throttle and rear brake, how to go forward with a steady speed with clutch? I feel like drop my bike without throttle a little bit.
If you mentioned it I missed it unfortunately, but what is your idle RPM? I guess if it's too low you would stop and too fast would be no good either? Thanks
At what rpm do you have idle set? Your bike has quite a bit of more power than my KLR 650 on just clutch speed, I’m finding I need throttle assist to get to you momentum. Thanks.
I see what you’re doing.That’s the way I want my turns to be. I will have to start practicing to get total clutch control.I need to know how much play the clutch should have,should it be loose or tight?😊
You should be able to use TCC with proper throttle engagement on any bike. Train hard, Ride safe!
Great video. Do you lean into the turns aswell or away from the turn
The bike turns under you. Do not shift your weight
I like using the clutch man just because of my dirt bike experience. Wear and tear on the clutch is what makes everything fun on a bike. If you’re afraid to change the clutch out then drive a prius
I don't like spending money on replacing things that don't need to be replaced. But hey if you got money to burn, I could use some new tires. LOL Train hard, Ride safe!
Hi Jay I really enjoy your videos I have been practicing and wanted to ask how to learn to go to full lock in a turn? Thank you
It just takes practice and being able to lose the fear of dropping your motorcycle makes it even easier which is what motorcycle drop giards have done for thousands of riders now.
You make it look sooo easy!
It is! Students are making u turns with TCC within 15-45 minutes all the time. Train hard, Ride safe
Hello, thank you for this video! When you are making these sharp low speed turns, are you initiating the turns with counter steering? Especially when you had one hand in the windscreen with the right hand, I was wondering if you were initiating the right hand turn by pulling backwards on the left handlebar to lean right? Thanks!
I was wondering the same thing about countersteering. Hope we get an answer.
I think he is counter steering. From what I know, even at low speeds the most effective way to make a turn is to counter steer the handle bars, but I might be wrong on the matter. Hopefully you will get a proper response.
Curious, why don’t you teach clutch (friction point) throttle, and eye sight? I taught police motor school 30 years. Almost everyone of my students went on to place extremely high in several regional and national rodeos. I understand that civilian riding isn’t as demanding, but if you were to teach to a higher level, they are sure to come out excelling beyond just a standard rider which would put them extremely high on skills. Also do you teach off road, loose soil, inclines, declines, in wet grass? These equal out to life saving skills on the road.
Excellent points! Thanks for commenting. These are loaded questions, but I will try to answer as brief and to the point as possible, this may be better answered in a video about these points.
I actually agree 100%, about training to a higher standard, and that is why I teach total clutch control first. The clutch is just a tension pull, such as the clutch cable when you engage it allows the clutch plates to freely move when tension is released. I have found students relate much better, and advance quickly when they know exactly what the clutch is doing when they operate it. As I always say in my videos, and tell my students, this is not competition riding we are doing here, its slow controlled maneuvers, and yes head and eyes among many other things are taught to those who train with me.
Now to your point of training to a higher standard. That is why I teach total clutch control first. Im glad to see many police depts are now teaching officers who have been through the Motor Officer training, and are returning for yearly and monthly training, to ride the basic motor officer patterns, intersection, W, and others with no rear brake use, due to it being a higher level of training of control and skill. So I do that from the start, but one step further, using clutch control only. Though I was definitely not the first guy to do it, but I started teaching no rear brake use while riding the motor officer patterns over 12 yrs ago, and it kind of caught on due to TH-cam and Social Media as there was nobody else teaching this method. It was share slowly and then I started teaching students to use total clutch control, why not, and they excel with it quickly as you see in the videos.
Not many are teaching total clutch control, but some courses are now teaching that as well. Now I also train students who train with me to do competition patterns with clutch only, but I always tell them that, its not the purpose of the patterns as they are done for time in competition. But of course it's always fun to do them with TCC. My main objective is to teach how these patterns relate to real world riding skills out on the street, so we use them in ways I don't see others doing but I found they work well for such as the intersection, W or even the Keyhole.
The techniques I teach are what I did as a professional motor officer and instructor, and still do while performing escorts through grid locked traffic in the 4th largest city in the nation which include using the Clutch, Throttle and Rear Brake, but with minimal wear and tear due to having better clutch and proper throttle engagement. I see so many motor officers lacking in skill with their clutch, throttle and rear brake, even some competitive riders while placing so much unnecessary wear and tear on their bikes. I just trained 5 motor officers last weekend which we will have a video of, who had completed a week of motor officer training and were struggling in the class. Those who came to me before the class all passed, but those who waited and then came after being instructed to learn clutch, throttle (1500 rpms), and rear brake failed because bad habits are hard to break.
I know many competition riders who have had more collisions out on the street than those who don't ride competitions. There is a difference is competitive riding, street riding, track riding, dirt riding, and I have found its first related to mentality, some become way to confident. We don't have much wet grass to ride in, but lots and lots of wet concrete, loose gravel, red dirt, obstacle avoidance (pot holes, Metro rails, missing man hole covers, alligators (Semi Truck Tire Treads everywhere), and millions of distracted drivers. But I do teach those who follow through with training to ride in all types of these scenarios, including incline, which we dont have hills. I dont' share everything I do on TH-cam for multiple reasons, most importantly mis-interpretations and keyboard hacks. But Im proud to say, that those who have trained with me, and have also trained with others, always leave saying it's the best training they have received.
Hope that answers your questions
Train hard, Ride safe
I have a question. Did you have the clutch fully disengaged while doing the slow turns, or do you feather the clutch. Also I can do sharp left hand turns but not so much when turning right. Do you have any suggestions on that, videos on that subject. Great video and thanks for them.
I demonstrate the u turns with the clutch totally dis-engaged, also engaging the clutch into the grey zone. Stay tuned for upcoming videos going deeper into this. Hope you will subscribe and share so that we can continue to grow and help educate others. Train hard, Ride safe!
Thank you for this video. You've provided a lot of great and useful information that I've not seen elsewhere.
Thank you! I am now seeing other TH-cam channels revising their takes and now talking about not having to use the rear brake, and not having to raise the RPM's to 1500, 1800 or 2000 as they have in the past. Total Clutch Control (TCC) with Proper Throttle engagement is all you need to use.
Wow! That was pretty cool. Definitely a different technique from the other videos I've been watching. It really helped to see from the riders view also, Made me feel like I was experiencing the lean required to make these tight turns. I find, however, in my riding that when I need to do a U turn, it's almost always from a complete stop, so no momentum. Open clutch only won't do it. But, I'm going to practice TCC anyway next time I'm in a parking lot. Less to think about when it's just clutch only. I've never been able to make a turn within a 2 parking lot space. 3 is the best I've done so far. Question . . . how fast are you going with no throttle and just an open clutch on those tight turns?
Hello Dave, Thanks for the kind words. Im really glad to hear you are practicing. To 1 point in your reply, you actually dont need the throttle to do a u turn from a stop. It can still be done without throttle input. (STAY TUNED). But even though it can be done, you should still use PROPER throttle engagement to do it, to save the wear and tear on your bike from using high rpms with improper clutch engagement. The goal is to develop Total Clutch Control (TCC) with proper throttle engagement. We will be doing a follow up to this video soon. I hope you will subscribe and share with others so we can get this message out to help as many as we can. Train hard, Ride safe! Jay
That’s all and good. But. In the real world of riding on gravel. Or on hills on the road all three ways , so I may have to use back brackets,,,, friction zone and throttle to keep my bike up on its wheels. 😊that you recommend are necessary
Very nice, gonna try this.
Thanks sir!
I am going to try this. I was using the friction zone method on my Road King for a while in a parking lot and after my clutch was making noise as I rode the bike.
High rpm usage will wear the clutch
Does Harley's hydraulic clutch make a difference? Looks like this video is using a hydraulic clutch. For a non-hydraulic clutch, where do you set Free Play and Run out adjustments? Are you using a stronger diaphragm? Assume you are operating with Harley's standard clutch friction plates, or are you using Screamin' Eagle or aftermarket Clutch components?
I have hydraulic clutches and cable and all my bikes are stock and no clutch is ever adjusted.
@@motorofficertraining Adjusting a cable clutch is regular maintenance... You're saying to forgo regular maintenance?
Very insightful. Thank you so much.
What about a bike that has a hydraulic clutch? I’m sure the principal is the same? I have a 2017 Road Glide Ultra.
@stacyodom1746 exactly the same! Thanks for watching!
I wish I could LIKE this MORE than once 🤘🤘
LOL. ME 2!
Nice video! The engine won't die with the clutch wide open (Full) without a throttle? I thought to stay in the friction zone.
Great video Jay
Thank you sir!