The New Budget Klipper SOVOL SV07 - how does it stack up?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2023
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This is the new Sovol SV07, Sovol's first foray into klipper. Is it any good? Watch and find out!
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Lines like "Don't bother telling me it's got wheels or that it's not CoreXY. I've actually noticed both of those things" will make me come back for more of your stuff.
Other than the actual useful content :D
Nice another vid to procrastinate with
enjoy! :)
LEDs can be plugged into the SV06's unused 3-pin "runout sensor" port on the printhead board. No idea how much current is available, but works fine for the 8x RGB board I plugged in.
I don't really get the point of putting LEDs on your printer, are you people printing in dark rooms or something?
@@allwoundup3574 for me, yeah. i usually hang out in my room in the dark (screens and my desk are all i need to see) and it's kind of a pain to have to turn on my life to see how the print is doing.
@@olivertrees I often have issues turning my life on as well.
@@allwoundup3574 It shows flaws in the print much better than any room lighting.
@@allwoundup3574 sigh. maybe it wasn't a typo after all.
Well the sovoll stream was entertaining. Their faces when you said that you had issues was priceless . Going to watch your review now. Cant wait
I think mostly I just confused them by talking with rory lol
Always warms my heart to see things that are just standard and moddable. Never a huge fan of soldered-on stepper drivers, but I suppose mods like dual extrusion would require a new board anyways - and since it's Klipper, that might not even involve removing the old board at all, if the SBC can handle multiple microcontrollers.
an interesting idea, adding a daughterboard for the drivers...would be interesting to see where that went, the mks SBC would presumably support it, the board is close to the qidi one that has a usb toolhead with rpi 2040...
Interesting as always
Yes, I'm the first one to make a comment on one of your videos completely by chance. Thank you for the Klipper video. I am struggling with the macros. If you could make a video about that. I got the starting macro down. Every time I finish a print it just sits on top of the print exactly where the last layer was. But if you don't still love your videos. Thanks man!
I plan to do a fair bit of klipper content, so I'll note this down
No it's actually part of the end_print macro in klipper -> github.com/Klipper3d/klipper/blob/master/config/sample-macros.cfg
@@ThantiK sigh next time try thinking before writing something in comment section ok
@@CrazyT0sser Are you suggesting effort? So cruel of you!
I ordered one. $299 is not a bad deal for a Klipper Printer. I paid $270 for my SV06 and a $169 Sonic Pad to Klipper it. I have been pretty happy with its performance and am actually looking forward to another cheap printer. My work gets done on my X1 Carbon and I like making toys and messing with stuff on the cheap printers. I just wish it was going to ship sooner than the end of June.
this is _much_ better integrated than a sonic pad + sv06, you won't be disappointed.
@@LostInTech3D I figured it would be. Anything I can keep stock is going to be more reliable than me dinking around with configs and accelerations…trying to go as fast as possible before I break something.
I Klipperized my SV06 Plus and it's even better than it was with Marlin. One thing that is still true (as with the SV06) is that the all-metal hot end allows nozzle temps to be lower for any given material. I now print IIID Max PETG at 195C and PLA+ at 180C - well below the mfg recommended temps of 190C and 210C - with success across the board.
Just curious what is the reason to purposely print at lower temps? I usually print towards the hotter end of recommended temps for strength even if parts come out looking fine at lower.
@@NiSE_Rafter It get's me nearly no stringing and a more matte finish and the cooling fan is more affective since it doesn't have to cool as drastically.. Whatever works for you is great, it's just what I've found with the Sovol all metal hot end and direct drive system.
@@brucoder Cool thanks for reply. I'll have to consider that if I swap to an all metal.
Does IIID Max recommend lower temps for PETG? Just wondering because most PETG brands recommend 230 to 250C. The PLA+ temps seem completely reasonable while still lower than normal but that PETG temp seems very low but if it works and gives the best results that's nice.
I'm not sure if you noticed but this is a bed slinger with POM wheels on V-slot aluminum extrusions... sorry. In all honesty though I think the SV07 was delayed for quite a while and they already had the BOM set some time before the SV06 was even released. With the success of the SV06 and SV06 Plus I have no doubt a similar design with linear rods and Klipper is probably planed. Who knows, maybe we'll see a CoreXY at some point from Sovol.
or sovol's engineering team is just reckless...
@@zola5584 Reckless or cheap? Sovol sets a shoestring budget. I like my SV06 but the bearings were trash, my bed was warped, and after squaring my frame I had to shim my Z motor mounts to keep the Z gantries from pitching out at the top. Newcomers aren’t going to know how to handle all that.
I'll be adapting my One-Stop-Shop Sovol SV06 Klipper Configuration for this printer as well. Currently supports the SV06/Plus, and SV06+Skr-mini-e3-v3.0.
I’ve been meaning to do the bedslinger curtain fan mod for quite some time. The oversized LED holder and screen bevels are ridiculous, but other than that, a solid printer. Especially rocks with those independent Z screws. Beating the MK4 to the input shaper punch. Did I miss the part about input shaper? Or accelerometer on toolhead?
the accelerometer has to be screwed to the toolhead, the toolhead is just a blank board I believe (didn't fully disassemble this one). It plugs into the oversized safety bezel :D
Great video as always mate, I like the idea of the giant secondary cooling fan. The only thing I would be worried about is cooling the bed. On that note so you think it would consume a lot more power trying to keep the bed hot with that fan going?
Oh yeah, undoubtedly it will, which is why I want separate control over it.
Thanks for showing TPU parts. I print a LOT of TPU parts for my small business and I always want to see how well TPU will print on a new 3D printer.
The player cards were so good lmao
One thing that your videos could improve a bit on is to go more in detail on the cube (which is awesome, by the way, thanks for that). A detailed exploration of all features of the cube can wrap in a nutshell most, if not all, key performance and quality capabilities of the printer. Also allows to explore where it falls short.
This would allow the viewer to anticipate what upgrades he should expect towards his use case, when acquiring the printer. Great work by the way. Having just recently discovered your channel, I have been finding content I can't find anywhere else. Love the sense of humor by the way. Cheers
Hi! The power button on the side of the screen is used to re-power the screen/Pi if you shutdown the system via the touchscreen or SSH but have left the printer mains switch on. 😊
Yeah....I guess that makes sense in theory but I don't think anyone is going to use it so I think it was a waste of a switch 😂
@@LostInTech3D Indeed probably not, I’ve used it one time only, just to see what it did basically. Nice to have it though I guess even if you never regularly use it, might save you a power cycle one or two times.
It was already on the board so I can see why they added it, but agree they could’ve just left the case blank over it & I’m sure no one would’ve minded.
So far, My biggest reasons not to jump to Klipper have been
- Marlin is *fine*, and with recent additions of LA and IS with standalone 2208 it's quite enough _1)_ (fixed-time motion could be another step forward)
- having unused unusable screen on printer (DWIN color screen -> can't home or heat up for filament change) and all control is "elsewhere" _2)_
- Raspberry Pi is hard to get & expensive, clones not much better (we are running OctoPrint on old PC, so we are _sort of modern_ :D )
- installation and configuration seems like a lot of work
Makerbase MKS + screen looks promising by having Klipper, screen and control in single unit, *bolted to the printer*, replacing original display.
Maybe there could be a video about converting Ender 3 (or V2 or some clone) to MKS Klipperscreen?
*_1)_* for poor slow MK8 hotend, with slow print speed and 1h+ Benchy. Fortunately it's quite easy to swap to bi-metal heatbreak, Volcano heat block and nozzle - but new part cooling duct (and raiser (lowerer ?) for ABL) needs to be printed in advance ;)
*_2)_* the printer easily becomes non-portable
Imho - try sonic pad, or even better - Bigtreetech Pad7 - new release, but they use clean klipper firmware, so you can do more and easier than Creality sonic pad.
Screens is usable on some printers. For example on sv06 it is.
Raspberry pi is overhyped s..t. Pick and alternative like orange pi or something. Yeah it's not a peak performance board but used board from 2016 handles way more than a single instance of klipper.
Install and config is basically one evening, maybe a full day if you start with zero knowledge about the topic.
I'll just say, as for the build quality of my SV06: I had to rebuild it completely from scratch, as only one aluminium extrusion frame piece was actually square and perpendicular. The rest were not, leading to the x gantry being twisted. The only way I'm able to counteract this now is using a manual bed mesh (all auto bed leveling algorithms don't work, I tried to fix it for a few days.) So, if you're fine with taking a few hours to rebuild your printer after you got it, Sovol machines are a good value, I guess. Maybe if you're a reviewer (or just lucky), you won't have such problems (my issues weren't an isolated case though, on sovol groups this was a common occurence).
Like all chinese made products, Sovol printers have huge variability in their quality control. The one I've got probably falls somewhere in the "average" area.
@@allwoundup3574 Prusa are no better for quality control
NO warranty support! I cancelled my order for 07
@@stuartalexander3cope
I'm using sv06 for a few month now, and have zero issues with it. Maybe except for lubrication, but this is issue on every sovol printer afaik. So i guess it's just a bit of luck involved.
Great analysis!
What mix of Dance Electric is the outro?
Maintenance and reliability, are you going to do a follow-up review in a few months time with thing like how many hours use this printer has had along with what you have had to do to keep it running.
I find with these cheaper printers they work great for a few weeks, then you spend more time diagnosing, waiting for parts to arrive (if you can get them that is) and fixing them than you do printing.
VORON card got a laugh out of me. Well done sir.
Uh oh, busted. :)
Ha! All good fun. That board does look weird. It looks like something from Makerbase, but I’ve never seen that exact layout before.
the closed captions claim there's a montage and there's no montage, what are we even here for
montage teasing
@@LostInTech3D cards didn't have the corners elegantly rounted, sending this video back to amazon
next time I'll get them graded
mks:makerbase and root:makerbase :P
At a pre-order price of $299 is by far the best bargain out there for a klipper unit with good quality components (corexy or not). Makes the corexy $399 Qidi look like the joke garbage that it is.
Hi... Is it possible to put a glass plate on the sovol sv07? And once the plate is placed in the glass, is the automatic self-leveling sensor able to read through the glass?
not without modification of the Z-stop mechanism, no. The sensor needs to be used with metal beds of some kind.
that secondary big ass fan would be killer in vase mode
The engineer has repeatedly verified that the fan will not hinder the printing in vase mode.😊
Did you notice that it had wheels and was not a core XY? LOL LOL😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣. Great video as always, your commentary is best on YT!!! I always enjoy it so much I wind up watching it again!!!!!!!!!!
Not bad actually, I only dislike the shroud, but we can design and print those, and teeny tiny icons on the screen, are white pixels a scarcity or something? Probably could be replaced too.
I'd like to see the filament sensor on the shroud too, all that space has to be used for something ;)
I don't expect it will spend a lot of time costing $399 and Qidi is $450 even now, the base price is $599, and is smaller, so are they really competitors?..
What is the build volume of its big brother the sv07 plus?
But for me the questions is it possible to use marlin on the printer?
If Turns out klipper is not working for me?
(As my first printer)
technically: yes
realistically: no
pragmatically: you probably won't need to. Klipper is pretty unobtrusive on these printers. It's intended to be for beginners, apparently.
5 month later the sv07 isnt 400$ anymore got mine for 270$ a few days ago. coming from only marlin used , i frckn love that thing, except the shroud and the loudness of that extra part fan xd
is this good value for the money for first 3d printer or i should wait for a deal on another one?
it would work pretty well as a first klipper printer I think, but you will eventually get dragged into klipper config no doubt :)
@@LostInTech3D is marlin easier to work with?
yes....because it is precompiled. But marlin is going out of fashion so I don't know which I would advise at this point for a beginner. Tough call.
@@LostInTech3D Fair enough thank you for the review, I ordered mine.
Sovol sv 07 or the Ender 3 s1 pro?
Can the SV06 plus be made faster like the sSV07?
yes absolutely, loads of people have klippered the sv06
@@LostInTech3D Okay, then. I am ordering one today.
Thanks!
can we make it bigger?
ok I lol'd at the CCG cards...
Just disappointed that it's not bigger. I'm glad they addressed the cooling unlike some others out there. But what's the point in high speed and better quality if you may still end up needing to split objects into multiple parts then gluing them together? Also disappointed they have lvling wheels, we have seen other non klipper printers with auto lvling even within SOVOL, the sv06 and sv06 plus. Should have just used the plus platform and added the extra cooling and klipper stuff why use a different style bed that is a step backwards?
check the subtitles at the end of the vid :)
@@LostInTech3Doh I thought your mention of wheels was to pom wheels instead of linear rails. I just hate manual bed lvling, so I was referring to the wheel like lvling knobs when both the sv06 and sv06 plus don't use them. Lol
What's wrong with the option of additional adjustment? If you don't like them just tighten them all the way and never touch them again.
@@NiSE_Rafter there is nothing inherently wrong with the ability to make adjustments. But if you have a product that doesn't require adjustments and works well why take that out of the equation for your new and ultimately( non presale price)more expensive printer? It's offering less for more feature wise, I know it does klipper but and that's the main point but then they should have just used the sv06 changed the hotend and added klipper.
@@chasedown26 I absolutely despise the lack of easy fine grain bed leveling adjustment in both of my corexy printers. This isn't a bug and the FDM community is honestly kind of annoying in how they latch onto what is the "new meta" in 3D printing and immediately dismiss anything else.
You need to take a look at the Neptune 4 or 4 pro before I spend money. Please
I have a 4. It's fine.
lol. bro. the wind was "going left" because the actual device was blocking it and directing it to the fan when you got it over to that side. While on the far right and in the middle, the bulk of the device was off to the side and not in the airstream, so it wasnt help direct that flow into the fan (sensor). repeat the test coming in from the opposite direction and it would appear that the right side is the bulk of the airflow
nope I test separately to filming, more thoroughly
No coreXY printers apart from Bambu? Aren't here several, namely ther Sapphire SP5 with all linear rails at 350$?
oh the two trees, yeah....never caught on
Yeah its a CoreXY but it is still slow. There is no speed advantage to it. The recommended print speed is 60MM/s and max is 200.
@@TVCColin Well, 200mms is quite nice out of the box. And as its all linear rails, you have a future proof solid frame at 350$. Cant really beat that.
With klipper, you can tune it to a really high end printer rivalling the best printers out there. All that really matters in the end, is the frame.
@@LostInTech3D Still the best bang for your buck printer out there. I haven't seen anything that comes even close, 5 linear rails & 2208 drivers at 350$ shipped.
the fan blows 3.7 what? m´s ? can u tell me how much is that in m3/h or CFM ?
You can't convert air speed to CFM sadly
@@LostInTech3D i want to trade the fan for a quiet One but need to now the airflow of the original first :(
In your anemometer test of the huge fan in the gantry you found that it goes most to the left... Because you blocked the rest of the duct with the anemometer, next time flip over the anemometer and check if that gives you better readings
it made no difference, I did it various ways while not filming, this is sorta how fans work hence why I knew to try it
@@LostInTech3D oh wow, it looked that way in the video, thanks for the clarification. Also I loved the anemometer test, that's something one does not often see in a review!
I apologize that my last comment came in a harsh tone, keep up the good work!
I thought the same, I guess it must be due to some vortex action of the air then?
Maybe a smoke test to show?
What bothers me is this plethora of models without any cohesion. Seems like just throwing stuff on the wall to see what sticks. Why not build the SV07 on top of the better motion system of the SV06?
they did talk about it a bit on the live stream earlier but I only caught half of it as I was busy finishing this lol
I've watched 4 reviews now. Looks like each of you got slightly different machines. Reviews so far range from OK to it sucks. Will be interesting to see what gets shipped to me this June.
I think tripod had his settings wrong but it's hard to say - for sure these were pre production units so that's also a thing although the extruder is tried and tested so I'm surprised at those issues. I'll make sure to provide some profiles on the website before june, I suspect in reality you can't get "good" quality at even half the top speed, I was using the printer to test for next video so I think I was going around 80mm/s in the samples I showed - to be clear, this is actually pretty normal. An ender 3 can go 150mm/s in the specs, but good luck with whatever comes out, haha.
What you need to complain about, that you really didn't: It uses wheels on the motion system, this is the weakest motion system possible, and the sv06 had the rods, so what where they thinking. I just cancelled my pre-order of this.
9:40 unfortunately they cannot compete with QIDI's support and parts service
qidi are good, but the stickers everywhere with "the rods are not replaceable" are cause for some concerns lol
@@LostInTech3D noone stickerbombs printers like qidi
It's got wheels and is not a coreXY. Can't believe you didn't notice them.
Oh, I get it! It uses V-Groove wheels! Haha. But seriously, your jokes are too meta sometimes.
Shame about the v-wheels. I'd rather pay more for linear rails.
It a 2 step back and 1 step forward .....there is no precise bearings, but we have the hater roller wheels with excentric nuts...heavy toolhead...4010 boower fan what suck the air from the heated bed (soo its suck the warm air for cooling)....BUT we have meanwell psu(what i dont know why not include kn sovol sv06 what could be the most seller by sovol) the sovol team is soo reckless....they almost did a great movement with sv06 and then they dont fixed the issues, but instead the realease a printer what is most likely an ender s1 with klipper but less reliable .....1 step forwarf 2 step back
Do you think the bearings were precise?
@@LostInTech3D I have read so many comments and most of the times there is a problems with lubrication but there are good....but if not you can buy proper bearings and even so you have a good printer with accurate linear mechanics under 350$ what is great....but actual problem with sv06 is the cheap power supply ,but most of the customers dont has problem with that
Sv07 plus wäre eher mein Upgrade vom sv06 rollen will ich nicht mal abwarten
Looks exactly like an ender 3 s1 lol
oh wow.. It's a panzer as an extruder.
at some point someone's going to make an extruder wider than the print bed
The support Forget it... I had a problem with my SV01Pro Fan, and no matter what I do, I can't level the 4 corners of my bed, it has been 6month now,. no Resolition
qidi has every leg over sovol here if you ask me at this price point comparing to the x smart 3, qidi has some of the best support in the game where as sovol has some of the worst haha
The problem with the x smart 3 is the build size. Its tiny. The build volume is not very big already on the SV07 but the x smart 3 is 40mm even smaller.
same size as the kp3s, but yeah significantly smaller than the ender size printers.
but.. it's vwheels....
but it's not a corexy
you got me
Not a core xy
Not much of a review, sounds like you read off the marketing pr release, that's unfortunate. Was hoping for an actual in-depth review... But yeah I still don't see why you would buy this over the SV06+
It's definitely a swing and miss on Sovol part. This would have been great 6 months ago but not now. It's like two steps back one step forward, they should have released a Klipper version of the Sovol SV06 and SV06+ instead of wasting R&D on this...
I realise it's fashionable to arbitrarily belittle other peoples' hard work, what is truly "unfortunate" is that you couldn't verbalise what you feel is missing from the review. That would at least have been useful.
Bro forgot about the v400
I said slingers! Didn't I? 😂
@@LostInTech3D you still mentioned the x1 carbon so no excuses lol
Sovol: "QA? Whats that? Customer Service? What do you mean?"
Sovol is not known for that. My SV01 pro had a dead cooling fan, loose screws for all bed wheels. Disconnected wires at the motherboard and PID out of whack.
This is my first printer so it took me close to a month to fully dial in and diagnose my machine.
Based on the above and this video comment on customer service and QA, i will NOT be buying the SV07, or any other Sovol product in the foreseeable future
FLSUN V400 BUDDY HAS KLIPPER
didn't I say "slinger"? If not, I meant to. I have a v400 :)
V wheel rollerz no thank u....
Nothing but problems
BED SLINGER OLD TECH I WONT BOTHER
If the printing is similarly fast and high quality, then why does it matter?
@@Ry_TSG but it's not corexy!
Corexy requires more maintenance and is less dependable than a bed slinger. So at $299, it has the speed and klipper to do away with anything at $499 or less, corexy or not. BTW, Prusa just released the MK4 and guess what? It is a bed slinger as well and they sell 100s of thousands of units at 3x the price.
LOL That has to the be dumbest looking hotend setup I have ever seen.
It's just soo ugly.