Which BNR Turbo is Right For YOU??? | FOCUS ST | Edge Autosport
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Today, Alan has two Focus STs on the dyno for some tuning. Both cars have BNR turbos and other mods along with Ethanol, so you can expect big power from these builds. Alan walks us through the pros and cons of both turbos in order to to help you better understand which turbo is a smarter choice for YOUR Focus ST.
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3 yrs late but that Lego battery box goes crazy
I like my BNR a bit quiet but the power is so much more useable. It almost feels like stock ST sped up. My FBO/E30 stock turbo was fun but it would just spin tires which was fun but now the cars so much more functional.
"I'm not gonna get into all the details and specs on these turbos, I'll let JP handle that in a product video."....where's that product video JP????
Awesome content! Can’t wait to bring my ST for you guys to tune 😎
I've learned a few things.
-Every $1,000 gets you about 45whp more.
-E30 will make a turbo performance as good as the next turbo up on 91/93.
-oem, pmax, and 2860 is on the same ball park with E30. With improving power curves respectively. On oem fuel system.
Finally dyno results for the bnr!!!
How in the $hit do you only have 9.14K subs!! There is no way that is correct. The content, tuning, the dynos, as well as the many platforms you work with would have me guess 1 MIL plus! Love it. I have a FoST, and wanted to looking into a new turbo, and I had been thinking about the "hybrids", and I like this one!
To be honest, we haven't been going hard on TH-cam for too long. I expect the audience to grow a lot over the next couple years as we continue to publish content.
@@EdgeAutosport Yes, it should. Do it. I wish I was closer to you folks (Georgia).
Edge still has the best Focus ST turbo content on YT by far...fast forward a year from my last comment...im literally pulling hairs trying to decide on the BNR67 or 71 kit.. i like the quicker spool of the 67 but the 71 isnt 'that' much slower to spool, has room for more power, and makes the 400whp'ish easier. I believe most top out around 370-390 on stock fueling, ive heard of some getting over 400whp on stock fuel...but i plan on upgrading the HPFP not too long after the turbo anyways. But I'm hoping to keep my stock clutch for a while longer (at 81k miles) and i think 400/400 would be a solid number for track/street and to keep the clutch somewhat happy.
@ballinonabudget3313 thats a good deal! I actually ended up going with the BNR3071 and paired it with an XDi35 HPFP and RS injectors. I'm making a lot of power and need to upgrade my clutch (driving daily/casual or even a 4th gear pull isnt bad), if I try to attempt a 3-4 or 4-5 power shift while doing a run, i get major slippage and its just terrible. The install of the BNR turbos is pretty easy tbo...not sure about those GTX turbos, but it cant be too different. Main thing is prepping for clearance and some even go as far as removing the pass side axle, but I didnt need to. Main thing is annuling the copper washers, making sure the oil/coolant supply/return line fittings are tight, and that your supporting mods are in place...Even on stock fuel with the turbo maxing out the fuel system, you can make 380whp or so on 93 (about the limit on 93 without meth or something) and it still screams over a stock turbo set up. Add a fueling upgrade, and man it hauls... I have a 93 and E40 tune from JST... car has walked quite a few respectably high powered V8's that tried to pick on me XD
Very interesting also was the wastegate pre loaded on the 71 at all
Whats up with the tq peak on the 71 at 4000 and the quick drop after? Is that due to the cat back exhaust?
What Mishimoto Intercooler does that red ST have?
What size is the factory catback exhaust?
hey curious on what you think a fbo catless dp e30, St 67 would be making?
nice! its amazing how much torque you can squeeze out of the stock K03, but its power is so weak at 290-300fwhp. Im always desiring more power up top when WOT...but i do enjoy the instant torque too. Have you guys dont a comparison on the hybrid options? Obviously wont make nearly the top end power but it would be nice to bolt on 50-70more hp without having to do any other upgrades besides swapping the turbo out.
I can't totally remember but I think Alan did some hybrid turbo stuff on the channel at some point. He's definitely tuned plenty.
Also, can you do an install video on one of these?
Alan, Where is the spec video from JP?
Would you suggest an upgraded internal waste gate
ATP 2867 g2 or BNR 67? Which would you choose
@Alan, has BNR changed their elbow to the head to be like the Juntis elbow since this video was posted?
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Heck yeh good Job Alan
So...fast forward to today...I have the BNR3071 installed on stock fueling, final revision about 2 weeks ago (still learning to drive this car all over again lol).
I'm on 93oct currently and my tuner is saying theres no real gain from tuning for E30 right now, but I do have an XDi35 sitting in the garage. My question is, will i gain much WHP if i install the XDi hpfp (stock injectors) and tune for 93/E30 on that, or will i need injectors to go past 400whp? In this video, if the 2-port aux was not active, you hit 408whp on stock fueling and E30. Everything online says stock fueling maxes out around 360-380whp (big range depending on the site or forum you read it)...but no one is claiming to hit 400whp on stock fueling (without the aid of meth/water injection). So was this a rogue dyno, adjusted figures, etc? I'm also in south/central TX, so elevation is about 750ft compared to CO's 5,000+.
I looked and RS injectors, while only flowing 100cc more than ST injectors, are only $200 shipped. I could toss in some RS injectors with the XDi35 pump, and would it be worth it?
Can i break 400whp on E30 with the stock fueling? what would be my limit on E30 with the XDi35 pump (no injectors)? This video was the reason i bought the pump but didnt bother with injectors, to hit the 400 mark..I'm almost wondering if i see about tuning for E30 as-is, selling my XDi hpfp, and calling it a day, is my best option if theres no real gain from the pump alone without spending another $1k+ on injectors.
What rims on the red
What wing?
Not sure if you’re still answering questions on this video, but from the pictures of all the kits on various sites there’s no actual lines or intake elbow included with the ST67 so do you reuse oem lines and need to make your own elbow?
What about a comparison on the 10th gen civic platform between the 27won, pure turbo and the smallest prl turbo kit.
Enjoyed the video even tho I own a Si👌🏾
Stay tuned. It's been a little difficult for us to get content out right now. Lots going on. But we'll get to this soon. We won't be doing the 27Won but the Pure turbo is something we might get into. We already have the PRL kit ready to go on the car. Just need to get to it.
Was the blue car FBO and would water methanol injection increase hp/tq gains? With a tune for it that is. If so what would you estimate ballpark?
And was the bnr 67 a .64 or . 86? Thanks and great info and videos. Love your channel.
Alan, Could you please tell me which turbo I could run on my Focus ST without modifications stock location, internal wastegated fitting to stock down pipe & intake, I’m wanting to buy the Garret 2860RS but I just don’t know enough about it to spend $2k, Just came from Subaru world my fbo wrx I had for 8 years just got totaled & I grabbed my race red st, Greatly appreciated Alan.
we have many stock location options, I would suggest you call the shop and we can guide you! We even just got a bit delivery of turbos so we have lots of options!
How much more power could u squeeze out with a better fuel pump? Btw love the content! Looking forward to getting a tune from u guys
All I can say is get ready. Be on the lookout for one of the next couple videos.
Do you think porting my tb is worth doing on my 2013 st?
No.
Wondering about the ST grill on that dark red ST, does anyone know where to get it?
Still looking for it?
@@emmanuelochoa908 yes I am too
Thats a lot of horse power from a stock engine! Thats like double HP from stock 👌👌 im getting bnr71. Its cheaper than gtx and gets the power i want.
With the right supporting mods do you think the 2867 will hit 400whp?
On 30% enthanol yes.
Would a 3071 with e30 and water/methanol injection get me to 400whp?
Probably.
How does the 3071 hits 408whp on e30 if we’re limited in fuel at 370-375. He wasn’t using 2port in that map?
that was my question...the 2 port supposedly wasnt active during the initial comparison... so if he was on factory fuel limits, does that mean the 71 can get the car to 400whp? I have mine sitting in the garage..waiting to install. I would love to be around 400/400 since im stll factory fuel/factory clutch. Then ill upgrade the hpfp and clutch in a few months or so when im ready to bump up to the 440 range (if the hpfp alone will hit it..)
Wonder what the afr and fuel pressures look like. Was the car running the 3071 on aux fuel? Running a Garrett 2867r Gen 2 I ran outta fuel on e30 during the pull (dropping below 1400 on high side). I had to pull back to e20 which then the hpfp could keep up. I just installed some aux fueling just waiting to be tuned now.
what exhaust do you have and were you using 91 or 93 with the ethanol?
The 3071 car was running Aux Fuel. Its easier to run E30 at higher altitude, but for sea level cars, you can get a bit further with a lower blend like 20%.
@@bobbydouglas16 Its a Ford Performance exhaust. I was running 93 oct mix with my E20.
@@TMTMS3 but was the 2port active during the first e30 comparison? or was the 408whp on factory fuel?
Would I be able to run an E50 blend on stock fuel system or would I have to get aux fuel
E30 is the most you can get away with on the stock fuel system. If you have aux fuel then you can run E50 without an issue. As a better (but more expensive) alternative, you can run XDI pump and injectors and use a higher concentration.
@@EdgeAutosport couldnt just the xdi35 pump upgrade allow e50/e85? or would it require injectors also? as far as e85 bnr3071 combo to hit a 450whp range?
I know i’m kinda late but can i just run with this a tune and no upgraded intercooler ?
No, that would be the worst possible thing you could do. If you are even considering a bigger turbo, don't cheap out, cause you'll blow your shit up. The stock intercooler is so utterly horrible and it is that way with the STOCK turbo. Before you even get a tune on the stock turbo, your first mod should be an upgraded intercooler, which does not require a tune.
awsome video thanks and send me the sticker i need the extra 15hp jajajajajaj
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Where do you get that Lego battery box? I want it!!
Good question, not sure where the customer got it. It is cool though!
Can you do this install without axle removal?
Yes you have to remove the RMM to give more play but still a tight fit.
Honest question here because I am looking for one myself, why would someone get the 67 over the 71? I understand there is a "quicker" spool with the smaller compressor, but the 71 does flow better and makes a good amount more power. The pricing seems to be similar on both.
I got the 67 (my car is the blue one in this video) because I have no desire to change the stock fuel system or stock internals of the engine and wanted a quicker spool for daily driving.
It's just all about what you're using the car for and what you want it to do. If you never upgraded the fuel system on your ST and wanted to get the most power out of it, both turbos could do that. But in that case, it would make more sense to get the 67 because of the better response. If you planned on fueling upgrades and wanted to make more power than the 67 could make and had the fueling to match it, the 71 would be the better choice. That's probably the most common scenario for choosing between the 2.
@@EdgeAutosport @Sam Yoder I have not, and do not plan to upgrade the fueling on the car. 67 might be the best for me then. I have a Depo Catted DP, Resonator Delete, and just have the open airbox. The car is currently E30 Tuned and I love the tune.
@@joelml7921hey whats up!!! After 2yrs, how has the turbo help up? I recently purchased the BNR67 & am pretty exited to have it installed! (:
So BNR s are considered hybrid turbos?
Negative
If I purchased a BNR turbo from your company does it come with an e tune?
We do not offer free tunes with turbos.
@@EdgeAutosport How much is a typical e tune that you usually bring up on your videos?
@@polo4life90640 They start at $225. Here is the link for the ST tune - edgeautosport.com/edge-autosport-etune-ford-focus-st-2013-2018-focus-rs-2016-2018/
With the right variables, quality FMIC, XDi HPFP, XDi injectors, E50, @29psi, lower altitude (Texas), full free flowing intake and exhaust, what is the potential for this turbo? Can it hit or break 500whp?
Add built top end with valve springs/retainers and cams to that list. The absolute minimum for 500 hp is the 3071, but it will be MAXED out and not super happy about it. Check out this video for some better options:
th-cam.com/video/Zrw9T4uhF2s/w-d-xo.html
@@EdgeAutosportyeah i have watched the 500 Herspers video a bunch of times 😅
Y'all put out some awesome content. I just got word my built engine is ready, but unfortunately i just went with a rebuilt oem head. My initial goal was mid 400s, then 500 once I realized i was going to forge the bottom end. Looks like I'll be considering a 'phase 3' build once this engine pops or has to come out for any reason..maybe build a head in the mean time that I can swap out. Thanks for the info!
Was the 67 car on aux fuel or stock?
stock fuel..it was supposedly at about the limits on factory fueling..but supposedly the 3071 car's first comparison was on stock fuel and hit 408..so im confused about that bit. most parts sites say 370-380whp is the absolute limit on stock fuel. I think there is more room but thats a common quote
@@dham99 my car tapped out around 370whp 380wtq on stock fuel e30 with a 2867
I know im about 3 years late lol but how come the 67 is making significantly less hp and torque then the atp 2860 in one of your other videos? From my understanding the bnr 67 is basically the same as the atp 2867 but so it should make more power then the 2860 just spool a bit slower but it looks like this bnr 67 makes less power and spools slower which kinda has me scratching my head.
There are a lot of factors that contribute to the actual dyno number on a given day: Engine condition, fuel quality, airflow, supporting mods, and even the weather can make a big difference. Dyno numbers are for the birds, a better measure is lap times.
are this cars stock internals?
mine is the blue one and yes it is. i believe the red one is too
@@cubsbaseball2011 what's up man... Just curious because I'm planning on purchasing a bnr turbo as well. Which option are you running the . 64 or. 86? And are you FBO in this dyno comparison video? And what plugs/gap are you running? How's the turbo been so far, seems reliable?.... Thanks bro.
@@keithr5591 hey man yeah I have the 2867 which comes with the .64. I have cpE everything, except I do have a stock catback still. With a resonator delete. But 3” catted downpipe and the big cpE intercooler with their exhale kit. I just like the sound of the exhaust and it doesn’t drone at all and I wasn’t looking for a huge HP number in the first place. It’s been very reliable so far and spools quickly for daily driving. 370hp is plenty for me! If you have a 3” catback you can definitely make more power.
@@cubsbaseball2011 Do you know if your car (and the other) are running Aux fuel?
Thanks!
Edit: Just watched through the end of the video, and they mention the red car has a 2 port AUX fuel setup.
@@RobbieE56 yeah the red one has 2 port and the logs were on the last of the runs. Mine is a completely stock fuel system
Alot of people complain about these turbos. What is wrong with them?
i have literally seen zero complaints about the BNR turbos. You simply have to assemble some of it yourself is all, saves tons of money. Its a high quality journal bearing turbo...what are the complaints? Id bet a lot of it has to do with installation/assembly errors
@@dham99 people complain about oil leaking or black smoke coming out after install
@@IPhonesCrash i believe theres an oil restrictor that can be put in to resolve that...i think a few of the BNRs (less than 1/4th or something) have that issue. Unfortunately you wont know until after you've installed/run it lol