What Torah laws are Christians supposed to observe?
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Thank God for the book of Galatians.
LOL! Romans and Galatians destroyed the real message of Jesus, which is keeping of Torah and Prophets. Paul is a total fraud who called James and Peter 'So called super-apostles' and 'dogs'. Just think!
indeed. paul points out in galatians that if the gentiles allowed themselves to be circumcised, they would come under the authority of the covenant, its obligations, and subsequent 'blessings for obedience' and 'curses for disobedience' (gal 3?). again, if they conceded to circumcision, they would be OBLIGATED to obey the entire law (gal 5:3). should they later regret it, finding it too difficult, upon abandoning their oath, the curse of the law falls upon them (duet). any orthodox rabbi today would give the same advice for the same reasons, which is why much study and training are required for potential converts. the judean jews from the same jewish sect (as paul and barnabus) called "the way" (believers in the "gospel" received through "the 12") were pressuring the gentiles in antioch (a large diaspora community in asia minor) to convert fully to, well, judaism. it was an option, as paul wanted timothy to be circumcised and timothy agreed (having been raised like he was a jew, though uncircumcised, presumably, because his father, a greek, opposed it) but upon meeting paul, and already in good standing with the "believers" already in... lystra? derbe? either way. everyone there, at that time was fine with it.
sorry. we imagine a drama where it doesn't really exist. i think paul's reaction in galatians, wishing the "judaizers" would emasculate themselves is a bit over-the-top. unnecessarily hyperbolic. he, though having grown up in tarsus really should have known from being in jerusalem how tightly wound they were, in my opinion. but in the synagogues outside the "bible belt" gentiles were a common feature... not curious... they, like cornelius, prayed to gd, believed in the gd of the jews, and followed a smattering of laws probably to reduce problems with proximity to other jews at the synagogue. paul already understood this, whereas peter and the 12 probably thought this an odd thing when visiting these diaspora communities. peters mind was changed when he met cornelius, a gentile already accepted by gd. we think we need to "accept" gd. no, we need gd to accept us.
Circumcision of the flesh was only intended for Messiah's line. Notice women were not circumcised. However, Paul speaks of circumcision of the heart. It's not new. He got that from Deuteronomy 10. That is for all believers.
There are other things to follow. The 2 great commandments are quoted by Jesus and for all believers. He stated, "all the law hangs on those two commandments." John 14:15 ESV - “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
"And you shall hear a trumpet in those days, trumpets, and it shall be a command for my people to listen to the collected work with their hearts. And the number of it shall be , for those who have wisdom, 424." - Hezekiah 11:13. Most scholars agree this command is to listen to the album Kind of Blue by Miles Davis. Others say that the original manuscripts don't have anything passed Hezekiah 6:10 and the additions were likely added in the 1960s by those who don't consider the book of Hezekiah to be Scripture.
😂 That's a good one.
The greatest commandments are love the lord thy God with all your heart and love your neighbor as thyself
The Torah is summed up in two commands - love God and love other people. There is a third command, do unto others a you would have them do unto you. All of Torah is essentially kept if you obey these commands. The Torah is not about legalism, it's about pointing people to faith Deuteronomy 31:13 - ...they too may hear, learn, and revere God all of their days. See the Sermon on the Mount for the best interpretation of Torah. Jesus tells you how to follow Torah. Other resources are "The Pentateuch as Narrative" by John Sailhammer, "Reading Moses Seeing Jesus" by Eitan Bar, and "Unseen Realm" by Michael Heiser. Why learn it today? It teaches you how to make difficult decisions in a fallen world.
i was about to say Galatians because its pretty much paul being like “how many times do i have to tell you STOP CIRCUMCISING PEOPLE! ITS OF THE HEART!” (paraphrasing but you get it)
Paul vs Ezekiel 44:9 Thus says the Lord God: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter into my sanctuary.
Not only in the heart.
You should go with Ezekiel every time not Paul.
@@Leon-jp7chRead between the lines, that Scripture applies to Foreigners, not Israelites (Whites; see TruthVids), Whites do not have cut off their foreskin.
@@Leon-jp7ch Yes. Abraham is our example, first the heart then the flesh. It is so important to provide the Full Answer to believers. The Messiah said to keep his Commandments of which are the same as Yah's... No difference. The Messiah even provides a warning if you will, to those telling others what to believe concerning Obedience to GOD. Its Matthew 5:17-19! Its very Important that we realize that no man has any right to alter GOD's Law. The Act 15 decision was just saying that Gentiles would have to, at a minimum, do these 4 commands and that they would get the rest every Sabbath from the reading of Moses in the Synagogues. Meaning "baby steps'. By hearing the Royal Law and having Love for God, their hearts would be pricked to want to be obedient and receive HIS full blessings. Choosing Life over Death.
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Paul isn't talking about "paying" ministers or especially about salaries. He's talking about sharing with them ...hospitality, providing meals, gifts for traveling expenses. See the Didache for confirmation and comparison to Paul. Elders and even apostles were bi-vocational as much as possible, but we are to be generous and helpful to those who are so involved in ministry that it takes some time away from their occupation (in the context of teams and plural ministry of EQUALS-- so that no ONE person is burdened with all the responsibilities and is unable to work their occupation.) This also relieves the congregation of trying to figure out how to fully support a "pastor" and a million dollar facility, and neglect their own duty of every-member ministry. It would have prevented the extreme clergy/laity divide if we had kept to it, and most of the money going to help the poor and evangelism instead.
@@angelamc2923 meeting someones needs is a form of paying them.
@@DiscipleDojolook, I highly appreciate you, but that's not how modern English works and you are not even engaging with what I said...which isn't just my own opinion, entire denominations have practiced this for hundreds of years, and I try to be very historically informed and have scholars to back me up too.
If I have my friends come help me move, and then feed them pizza, no one considers that I'm "paying" them or that they are not volunteers just helping ("ministering") me. It's completely different to me hiring a moving team or moving corporation for a fee and "paying" them to move me. Also same if I host missionaries for the weekend, or if those missionaries live as one of the people in the jungle and the jungle people help them build a hut and help them out with food. That's not "pay." We don't "pay" the ox a specific contractual amount of grain...he gets to eat some WHILE working...as well as we provide food and water when he's resting. And when we run out of food and have to go without...he might have to also! I know that you know this is literally what Paul is talking about with "I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me."
Jesus' ministry was supported but He didn't get a salary. In both Jewish and Greek culture it wasn't considered appropriate to charge for teaching people religious or philosophical truth. Synagogues didn't have rabbis, salaried ministers, the same person teaching every week, or paid ministry. Plenty of human groups run totally on volunteer labor. Even the priests didn't get salaries per se under Mosaic Law, and certainly in Jesus' day all the priests must have had other income to survive. Every Jewish boy was required to learn a trade...especially "rabbis." Even since most religions have morphed into salaried ministry--vast amounts of the necessary labor is done by volunteers, and often guilt manipulation and spiritual threats used to get that volunteer labor, but it's also not respected as much since the paid minsters get all the glory and deference. This is abusive and a class system, when the local church is supposed to be an example of a classless family. Also pastors regularly burn out or are miserable from all the excess responsibility. My brother was a pastor as well as many friends of mine, and I have served on staff of s church myself. I'm criticizing a system that harms people and our flexibility and witness, as well as out ability to care properly for the poor. We are like the bloated government.
Paul and team is THE example for the Gentile church, and Paul set a high standard. Plus I'm speaking as an American to mostly Americans where we have seriously turned ministry into a business. I am cross-culturally informed as well and know what success has been found in missions doing things in flexible non-traditional ways.
I appreciate that you don't require subscriptions to access your content, nor is this an attack on individuals who may be in salaried ministry. I'm critiquing a bad system that leads to abuses. We could apply NT principles much better then we do, and we only have tradition to stand on, not apostolic example. But AT LEAST we can stop reading modern ideas into the NT context in order to justify our bad systems. We might as well be Roman Catholic then instead of Protestants or evangelicals. Methodists should still be Anglicans if we are going to just accept loose justification of the status quo.
I know there are specifics to avoid but Paul taught in 3 letters that very specific manifestations of the flesh will keep us from the kingdom of God. {1 Corinthians 6:9-10} {Galatians 5:19-21} {Ephesians 5:5-7}. Also, what did Jesus mean when he said; "to him who overcomes"?.....We have to stop thinking of eternal salvation as a (Romans 10:9-10) only thing! Obedience and deep rootedness comes through faith but it is clear that the law is still useful if used correctly. I see the law as a re-a view mirror. It can help tell us generally how we are doing. If we stare too long in the rear-a view mirror, or side mirrors, we might crash, thus the windshield is our faith. Please understand, I don't claim to have all the answers, but it says clearly in 1 John, God is light, in him is not darkness at all, if we say we have fellowship with him yet walk in darkness, we lie (at least to ourselves) and do not have the truth. Yet also note those 3 places Paul spoke of above did not include the Sabbath or eating traditions or feast days.
Judaism had already worked out what moral laws God-fearers needed to conform to. Paul didn't make this stuff up...he applied it, and just opposed the extremist Shammai-type Pharisees that demanded full proselytization. (Just as Jesus had opposed their burdensome extras for Jews. Jesus and Paul were both oriented toward Hillel and "love your neighbor" interpretations. What they taught didn't happen in a vacuum..it was all about the controversies of the time.)
So you are right...Paul's "sin lists" are non-negotiable moral standards for everyone who wants to follow Jesus properly, just as his virtue lists are goals for everyone to aim for. Just as Jesus said "keep the commandments" to the folks who asked Him.)
Deuteronomy 13 says that if anyone changes the law, they are a false prophet even if they can perform miracles.
And that was clearly said to the Hebrews so that they would stay in promised land. Law is and was never for salvation
@@User02-fk1re What do you mean by that?
@@Pomni740 Read Deuteronomy 28 and you will know the purpose of the Law of Moses. It is clearly said there
@User02-fk1re Thank you for telling me that hebrew changes the law. Now I know that the athour of hebrews is a false prophet.
@@User02-fk1re Thank you for telling me that the book of hebrews says that you don't have to follow the law. Now I know that the author of hebrews is a false prophet.
The moral law (10 commandments) and precepts about avoiding sexual immorality.
What is Your understanding of "sexual immorality"?
I would say no rape, no sexual assault, no man-on-man, no anal, and nothing to do with children, at all.
One can't really say no family because the Torah is replete with family sex.
Obviously, I am not pro-incest, that should not have to be said, but it is hard to draw a complete outline of what is and isn't considered "sexual immorality."
@@Blessed2XS Incest is sexual immorality.
I was considering this topic earlier, and I'd be curious for your opinion. Why does the Acts 15 decree not explicitly state that the gentiles were expected to keep the moral law of the 10 commandments, etc.? Obviously the apostles did not regard the Acts 15 decree as an exhaustive list for gentile morality since it doesn't cover murder, theft, or even the teachings of Jesus. Whoever edited the western text of Acts seems to have been similarly disturbed and felt compelled to add the golden rule as a catchall for other moral provisions. When most commentators discuss the apostolic decree in Acts 15, they typically draw a distinction between the "ceremonial" law and the "moral" law in the Old Testament, arguing that the Acts 15 decree is the only portions of the former we need to keep while the later is still in force. I'm honestly not aware of people bifurcating the Old Testament law in this manner in the 1st century, yet it's the only way I can make sense of the Acts 15 decree.
When was the Law written and what language was the Law written in?
There is a saying “ There is no sabbath in the Temple”. Christians began to view that every day is a Sabbath if you are daily engaged in Sacred activities which include support roles , even financially supporting, and speaking about the Kingdom of Jehovah and His son and our King Jesus the Messiah. Since there is no longer a Temple a Christian must be their own Temple.
Keeping away from Blood is no longer due to the Law of Moses. It is in force from the Law God gave to
Noah . It applies to all humankind. Does it apply to merely the act of eating blood or would it also apply to the act of accepting a transfusion? Think about this, if a person is unable to eat or drink ( picture someone with a swallowing problem) how is nutrition delivered to that one? Now ask, what is blood? Bone marrow and meat is acceptable as food according to the scriptures, therefore many things found in blood which are also found in meat and bone marrow are not blood. But those relatively large components of blood such as Res Blood cells , White blood cells, platelets, and plasma are not found in muscle or bone marrow. They do not cross the placenta , the blood/brain barrier. Or cell walls. Smaller components like fibrinogen, water, minerals, glucose, antibodies, even stem cells , are therefore not strictly blood.
Good works done in Gods name are likened to Temple service on any day they are done.
John 5:17-48. Straight from Messiah. 10 Commandments Rev. 12:17. There were Israelites and Gentiles that were in attendance to most of Yeshua’s sermons. And HIS lessons were for all to hear and abide in. So yes we keep the 10 Commandments which includes Sabbath. Sunday worship is a great time to worship and give your offerings. On Sabbath no financial transactions can take place. So a day of rest Sabbath and you can worship on Sunday and still eat out after services at a place that requires payment.
when in babylon, it is evident that the loss of the temple did not, in anyway, effect the "real" relationship between gd and his people. they were not abandoned, only being disciplined. you can't read daniel and think the jews believed they were without "forgiveness" because of the destruction of the temple and "blood". ergo, post 70ce, the loss of the temple and sacrifices, while tragic, were not cataclysmic.
so... jews in the diaspora (and evidenced by cornelius, a gentile already deemed in good standing with gd, according the angel), understood that prayer and charity was an appropriate substitution for sacrifce ("your prayers and your charity have gone up as a sacrifice before gd"), just as judaism still teaches. so the loss of that ancient form of charity for people being able to "glean" your fields, ought to be a part of our service to gd. hiring someone to clean your house. charity with dignity is better. its becoming mindful in all of life.
no longer a christian... but appreciate what you are doing.
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Great points!! . . . I only wish that most Jews understood their 𝓣𝓞𝓡𝓐𝓗 better than their Rabbi's Oral Traditions!! . . . Also, it amazes me how I have been debating Muslims for over 10+ years and not one of them has any knowledge whatsoever about what the 𝓣𝓞𝓡𝓐𝓗 is, or what it is supposed to do or be!! . . .
"What then? . . . Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, *_and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written,_* 𝓖𝓞𝓓 *_hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear)_* unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. . . . I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? . . . 𝓖𝓞𝓓 forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy." - Romans 11:8-11
If you do not mind me asking, what, or which 𝓕𝓪𝓲𝓽𝓱 have you chosen to follow (𝓲𝓯 𝓪𝓷𝔂) now? Thank you.
@@HoggRidduh i call myself a gd-fearer, mainly because i'm surrounded by christians (family and friends) and its easier to explain what i am by a reference i can show them in the new testament, itself. i believe in gd, as described within jewish tradition. i regard jesus as a righteous jew, but only a man. and i concur with peter's statement to cornelius, "gd accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right". which was also the historay view of judaism in general. now its not correct because peter said it. peter realized that his judean view of gentiles was wrong.
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everything pertaining to the strangers in the land were suppose to do.
@@jsphfalcon the Holy Spirit in Acts 15 didn't say that. So... 🤷
TY, JM🌹🔥⭐🔥🌹
I do know this..in Leviticus 23..four times Yah says "a law forever throughout all your generations in all your dwellings." So keeping the Appointed Times are obvious. fir anyone saying "Jesus done away with that", please note..the antichrist is the one who does away with the Law !! Blessings 🧡 SHALOMIE HOMIES !!
@@theencouragingcommunity7485 yes, YHWH says that...to the Israel...under the Sinai Covenant. :-)
@DiscipleDojo yes and Covenants stack. Not replace one another. just upgraded, updated. Only thing we do not do is stone people for their transgressions, they can Repent for that now !! Love your channel fam !!
@@DiscipleDojo where'd my response comment go? That's odd..
@@theencouragingcommunity7485 I don't know. Did you put a link in it? TH-cam deletes comments they they are spam (usually anything with links), but I never delete comments. So if something doesn't appear, that's a youtube decision, not mine.
@@DiscipleDojoTH-cam also deletes any comments that you copy and pasted a large portion of your comment. It has to be mostly typed out and very little copy and pasted contents.
I'm a little confused about something. The book of Acts says not to eat food sacrificed to idols, but in 1 Corinthians Paul said it's okay as long as it's not a stumbling block. Can you clarify this for me?
Paul never says you can eat meat knowingly sacrificed to idols. He says you can eat meat sold in the marketplace (some of which may have been used in a pagan sacrifice), but if your host tells you it definitely was sacrificed to an idol then not to eat it. What Paul is saying is that it's not the food itself, but rather the *knowing participation* in idol worship that is forbidden to Christians.
@@DiscipleDojo So, in South Africa, most food are Halal. Which kinda sucks. But Islam has control over the government there. What would you do in that situation?
@@DiscipleDojo THANK YOU!!
@@DiscipleDojo So still not understand? Paul also Jesus never said no more clean-unclean meat, still the pork and other unclean animals not eatable, they are criticized the Kosher Pharisees practice. So for normal eat beef or lamb or goat you can buy in a marketplace, do not need a "Kosher" regulation. Understand this you need deep research in Torah, Talmud to see what is the different between Torah and Talmud. Kosher just partly Biblical, Kosher is a over killed Biblical food law.
LOL! That is a fine treatment of "don't Muzzle the ox as it treads out the grain." I recall that from Deut 25. You explained it well JM. There are plenty more "laws" in Deuteronomy, in that 25th chapter as well. I just read through it before I made this comment. I would post some of these other laws and ask how you would apply them to modern life but you would think I was trolling.
But really, how do the other things in Deut 25 apply in 21st century America? What deep truths do the represent? Read that chapter again, there does not seem much there that is helpful in the Christian walk with Christ in America in this time.
@@joestfrancois I would only think you're trolling if you asked in a snarky or insincere/dismissive manner.
Perhaps check out video where I teach through that chapter in our Deuteronmy: The Heart of God's People playlist here on the channel. That will be more helpful in understanding how I'd answer your question than a comment response, I believe.
@@DiscipleDojo wrote "I would only think you're trolling if you asked in a snarky or insincere/dismissive manner."
Ok then JM. How does a law about a woman intervening in a physical fight between her husband and another man by grabbing the other man's junk apply in 21st century America? Should such a woman still have her hand cut off? What lesson does that teach?
What about the marriage stuff? Spit in a guy's face and say he is of "the house of him whose sandal was pulled off?" Where is the lesson in that?
@@joestfrancois the ox doesn't get a salary. The ox gets shared with. Just like family members who live with you don't get salaries. Everyone pulls together on chores and shares in food and shelter and any extras that are available. If multiple people have jobs they may keep control of their own money but also contribute to the bills and common needs proportionally to their resources. In the first century it was considered an honor to recieve a teacher into your home and show lavish hospitality (according to your ability.) In the Gentile world, Paul enjoin us to emulate this Middle Eastern standard of hospitality and sharing resources that continues to this day in that area.
@@joestfrancois deep reading gives deeper rewards. Those of us who have studied and pondered for 40 years find this to be true of any passage, and if we don't get much out of something, we assume it's because we haven't dug into it enough yet...we don't assume the passage is worthless.
@@angelamc2923 Ok then MC. How does a law about a woman intervening in a physical fight between her husband and another man by grabbing the other man's junk apply in 21st century America? Should such a woman still have her hand cut off? What lesson does that teach?
So are we allowed to pierce our bodies and ink it with different tattoos?
@@wereldatlas what does Acts 15 say?
@@DiscipleDojo Peter argued that God had shown no distinction between Jews and Gentiles, giving the Holy Spirit to both and cleansing their hearts by faith. He emphasized that salvation comes through the grace of Jesus Christ, not by adhering to the law (Acts 15:7-11).
Not one jot or tittle nuff said. Jesus and apostles never ate unclean and observed the festivals. We're to do as they did. The oral law and Levitical laws are abolished.
@@TonyaSloan-hn7ml Paul was one of Jesus' Apostles. Jesus' Apostles specifically ruled on the issue in Acts 15. So you are going against Jesus' Apostles by *requiring* gentile Christians to hold to Sinai food laws and festivals, I'm afraid.
@@DiscipleDojo The problem I see is that Paul is not the only Apostle we have letters from telling us to Keep the Commandments of GOD. I mean, even the MESSIAH says it. James specifically says its faith plus works (Works of the Law). Our GOD is not the GOD of Confusion, He already told us there is only ONE LAW, not two or any number of people doing what they choose, like its a smorgasbord to pick from. I think this is why we read, "the Path is narrow and few find it."
I understand what you saying but my experience is when I study more and more become more and more faith in God I want to keep the whole law without circumcision and sacrifice. I keep Sabbath, dietary laws ( what the Bible teach not what the Kosher laws in Talmud etc), keep feasts from the bible only, not what jews do in Israel and what the pagans do, and now Im in the transition change the calendar what the Bible teach. I never was Jewish I not born Jewish, my family not Jewish but I learned from the Bible what God wants from us. My transition started almost 2 years ago and keep on process. Nobody force me to do that I not follow any organization I study the Bible and try follow. So that is my experience. Oh also I study the Mazzaroth, that is a brand new confirmation the Bible and God. Recommended.
@@Apredikator I think anyone is free to try and practice various elements of the Sinai Covenant they find appealing...it's just not something all people are required by God to do in the Messianic New Covenant age to which the Sinai Covenant pointed.
Of course, Jews in the first century would say that someone keeping the festivals and dietary laws WITHOUT being circumcised or offering sacrifices is NOT "keeping God's law" and therefore (as James puts it) are guilty of breaking ALL of it. 🤷
@@DiscipleDojo Not that simple is that. If you study on the right way God said circumcised your hart also said do not scarifies if you not repent even even talk about spiritual sacrifice. This is how come in the picture Jesus all Hebrews scriptures telling you how Jesus become a high Priest in the Heavenly Temple. That is what the Jews dont want to understand, and Cristians not understand either. Jews repeat obey God only this why they reject Jesus but he is Emanuel, Cristians repeat Paul when say the law take you bandage, but they are not understand what law his talk about. Not hard, hard is come a point see the truth. Not much people understand we are not waiting the Rapture we are waiting a 2nd exodus. Written everything in the stars. That is not a horoscope not divination from stars God named all the stars and call them on they name. More approve that in Hebrew ABC have 22 letters all letters have numeric value and multiple meaning and a possible variation 10 on a 21ns. Nasa and other space searchers estimated the number of stars raffly 10 on 21ns.
@@DiscipleDojo Recommend Deuteronomy 6 understand more
Read Matt 19:16-30. Jesus tells the young man which commandments he should follow. Note how Paul repeats these almost exactly in Romans 13:7.
@@davidreinker5600 Matthew 5;17 -20. So why I not confused? Because I study first the Old testament and after the new. You have to keep the whole Law. If you not understand that just read Deut 6.
muzzling an ox!!!!
rabbi adin steinsaltz, in "the essential talmud" writes that (chapter 21 - civil law) one of the sages said "anyone who thinks an "ox" in the talmud (torah) is about an ox, does not understand the first thing about the talmud. i believe the timeframe of the "sages" would have been around the time of codifying the oral tradition. anyway, r steinsaltz explains the approach to understanding these ancient commands is from seeing them as "technical symbols" and examining the relationships within (ox, grain/flour, muzzling, man). so paul was using the law precisely as he would have been taught, if he sat at the feet of gamaliel. and his uses of "for does the law not say..." tell you the law IS given to show us how gd looks at the world?
i use the muzzled ox frequently because of the steinsaltz reference. now, why are you not permitted to muzzle it while its working? you'd think... well... the grain is being used to make the flour for bread, a staple of life for people... it was sometimes more precious (the growing season being too dry or too wet) and so one might feel quite justified in muzzling it. seems reasonable. but gd says NO. you must not. so how do i stop the beast from eating my children's food? you can't. all you can do is mitigate it. how do i do that? you're a jew, you're smart... figure it out. i'm not a jew so i just made this part up... perhaps you don't have him work when he's hungry. or you make sure he's well fed, etc. to avoid the negatives of not muzzling you must proactively minimize what you do not want it to do. and to paul's point, the other apostle's were receiving "shelter and food" in the same way as when they were sent out on their training run (matthew's version: "the worker is worthy of his wages"). paul's complaint was that he worked to provide for himself on many occasions and depended on friends to also work with him, or from gifts sent.
and so, not surprisingly, the command regarding muzzling an ox was an important part of the laws within the torah which forms its view on labor. sometimes you are the ox. and sometimes you are the person hiring an ox. the torah shows us how gd sees the world. and to be holy as he is holy, means you need to learn to see the world as gd does.
Why are You quoting the Talmud on a Christian page? Genuine question.
@@Blessed2XS 2 reasons. firstly, paul did not interpret the torah literally, obviously.. secondly, his interpretation on this matter (and others) is NOT a consequence of "inspiration". according to the new testament narrative, paul sat under the teaching of gamaliel, grandson of the highly regarded r hillel, head of one of the pharisaical schools. this command is one of many that influence the jewish view of "labour relations" and this was at the heart of his use of the "muzzled ox". the "12" received what jesus said they were entitled to (find a house worthy, stay there, eat what they give you and sleep in the bed they provide).
and for clarity, i wasn't quoting the talmud, only a book explaining the talmud to the uninitiated, "the essential talmud". the sage quoted, lived 100-200 years after the time of paul. but what became written or codified (the mishnah and talmud) was the preexistent oral tradition which rabbis (such as hillel and gamaliel) taught. to understand things like this reveals a less "mystical" new testament and that paul and the 12 were very much jewish not merely wearing a "uniform". paul's claim regarding the advent of a "new covenant" was not revelation, it was based on his belief that they were at the dawn of the messianic era, believing jesus was about to return. it was not a "replacement" as paul also makes clear that anyone who undergoes circumcision IS OBLIGATED to the ENTIRE law. he could not say this if he honestly believed a new law, without circumcision, replaced the old law.
at that moment in time, this explanation makes more sense than the rearview mirror offered over the last 2000 years later. mirrors switch the view left to right.
@@PrescottJohnson-gfh The Talmud is disgustingly abhorrent and not of the actual Israelites, only of Canaanite imposters with a superiority complex. The real Israelites shall be known by Isaac's Name and are: the Saxons (Isaac's Sons), see TruthVids. Saul of Tarsus WAS absolutely a Pharisee but after His Encounter with Yeshua The Messiah repented from the non-Spiritual strict teachings and chose the freedom of Christ. Do You believe the Millenia of Peace has already happened as UnderstandingConspiracy and lots of other Truthseekers do?
"Gentile" is someone who is out of Covenant... bc "the nations" were out of Covenant; ie: they were not Yisra’AL. Remember: a mixed multitude left Egypt.
Exodus 12:49 (ISR) 1998 👑
“There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”
Jew or Gentile both have to have Yeshua as their cornerstone of faith.
In Acts 15, they were instructing these gentiles right from Leviticus. Moses is taught in the Synagogues every Sabbath where these converts will learn the rest of Torah. If the Torah is for Israel and we become grafted in, then we should be living as Israelites. His Torah belongs to us and applies to us. Paul in Romans 3 declares that the whole world will be judged by the Torah. So, the Torah (His teaching) applies to everyone (Adam was the son of God), but especially believers who are Israel, His Bride. We are priests charged with making His Ways known to humanity.
That is specifically NOT what the council in Acts 15 decided. They very specifically spelled out what was required. Reading into their words that they were actually requiring all of the Sinai commandments is not only eisegesis of the highest order, but is 100% antithetical the the entire message of Galatians.
@DiscipleDojo Did I say they were requiring them to obey all of the "Sinai commandments"? I did not. What I did say is clear enough.
Yes, Jesus came with the Grace but i think people dont read and even if they do they maybe dont want to hear everything Jesus says because he says.. if you love me you keep my fathers law! Time to wake up people , Jesus is coming back any day now! So if you really love Jesus deep in your heart Jesus sees this and than you will get help and be led by the holy spirit so he helps you to do whats right and he going to fill you with life, love, strength and selfcontrol and the holy spirit wants you to hold the law and be holy as our lord is holy.
NONE!
What part of Christ is the end of the Law do people not understand.
The meaning of "telos" and "nomos"...obviously. Both words are capable of numerous translations so we shouldn't build our theology on a single verse that can be translated differently with different implications.
@@DiscipleDojo When one makes "end of the Law" to mean "not end of the Law," one should step back and reassess. I have people using "exegesis" to tell me that Jesus saying "no one is good" REALLY means lots of people are good. One should be cautious when the plain meaning seems reversed by "careful exegesis."
But I admit words are too broad in meaning so one must indeed actually ask the author what was meant.
@@DizernerHe’s speaking of the Mosaic Law of course, Paul believed he was under God’s New Covenant Law.
*1 Corinthians 9:21*
“To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.”
Paul became like a gentile to those who were outside the Mosaic Law, non-Jewish persons, but not outside the Law of Christ, so that he might convert them to the faith. And of course Christ’s law consists in the commandments from Him you see in the four gospel accounts.
@@christsavesreadromans1096 I disagree with that. Self-righteousness always wants to sneak the Law in there somehow again no matter what, it's just standard spiritual warfare against grace.
@@Dizerner It only matters what Scripture says, not whether or not you agree with it. Paul said he was under the law of Christ. And what is Christ’s law if not that which He commanded? Unless you’re going to say there are no commands in Christ’s law…
I would highly recommend discussing this topic with Rob Vanhoff, Caleb Hegg, or David Wilber. The fact is that Christ Himself states that, to be great in the Kingdom of Heaven, one is to do and teach others to do even the least of the commandments found in the Law and the Prophets (though not that the obedience is what gets us in; it's not meritorious toward Justification). We're also warned by Peter that the writings of Paul were already being twisted while the New Testament was still being written. All of God's commands are good and for His people. The whole reason mankind is at enmity with God is because we do not submit to His Law; why would we seek to perpetuate that disobedience after being redeemed?
By the way, I hope you don't view this as an attack. I'm very grateful for the work you do. I especially like the scholar interviews. Jay Sklar was one of my favorite guests of yours.
Hmmmm… big trouble.
@@RaptureReadyMamaBear ...in Little China is the greatest movie of all time.
There, I finished your sentence. 😉
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I think Paul does instruct Gentiles to keep Jewish things - like keep the Festivals. Doesn't Paul basically tell the Corinthians to get the leaven out of the church (1 Cor. 5:7-8) so that they can celebrate the Passover without malice and wickedness?
I know there are other references in Paul's writing where he is instructing Gentiles to do Jewish things.
I mean this is a Jewish book written by Jewish Prophets and Apostles about a Jewish Messiah. Are we not trying to become an Israelite (God's chosen people) as we graft ourselves into this nation?
The Apostles were not instructed to go out and make Gentiles to live like Gentiles - the were already living like that. The Apostles were instructed to go out and make disciples; instruct people to be Israelites. To hear the truth and good news and follow. Why else would Paul bless out Peter for acting like a hypocrite when "certain Jews" came to town and Peter walked away from the Gentiles?
@@paulwiederhold7629 because Peter was following cultural Jewish customs and wreslting with what the New Covenant means for those customs in light of Torah's purity practices. Paul regularly used imagery from Torah to derive principles for living in the New Covenant (such as "get rid of leaven" being appied to church discipline of unrepentent sinners or "don't muzzle the ox" applied to compemsating faithful teachers). But he never instructs *non-Jews* to keep those customs as part of their being "grafted in" as members of "all Israel" (Romans), "the Israel of God" or "Abraham's offspring" (Galatians).
@DiscipleDojo Yes part of the problem with the New Covenant was the mixing of "Jewish Law", man made traditions into God's Law. So Peter is partly guilty of that.
I'll see if I can bring more references to my side of the table.
I know there are more references of Paul asking Gentiles to keep God's Law
@@DiscipleDojo I am not sure how many or most people account/balance all the statements of "One, Keep, Obey, Fulfill" in the New Covenant.
"For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word...Love your neighbor" Gal. 5:14, "for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law" Rom. 13:8b. What are we fulfilling if the Law is done away with (or at least for Gentiles)?
"Do not think I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; ...I came to fulfill" Matt. 5:17
Paul instructs us to be One; Ephesians 4:4-6...one body, one spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father.
"that they all may be one; even as You, Father are in Me and I in you." John 17:21
I don't know how we can be One if we all believe different things and keep different days and Festivals. Seems to me the only way for Oneness to happen is if the Creator of all gave us (both Jew and Gentile) a set of instructions. And if we keep them we will be blessed. If we do not we will hear "depart from Me, you who practice Lawlessness" Matt. 7:23
Again, how can one practice Lawlessness if the Law has been done away with?
This is a trash teaching and very low effort. Paul was telling the audience of his letters that they were wrong for pursuing the man-made traditions of certain sects of Judaism and not required to keep what would be the equivalent of the modern rabbinic teachings. For example, circumcision is not a command (except for babies) but it was a man-made tradition for converts to Judaism to get it done. Not one jot or tittle of the law will be removed until heaven and earth pass away... but you know that already.
Read - INVENTION OF THE FIRST-CENTURY SYNAGOGUE by Lidia D. Matassa
Luke Acts is a second century document.
@@dunk_law Nah. Acts was finished before Paul died in 67 CE.
@@DiscipleDojo And yet shows no knowledge of his letters.
@@dunk_law How many ancient Greco-Roman historiographies include personal correspondences?
And how many ancient historiographies about key figures who were martyred end before the actual death is depicted--or even hinted at? No, a 2nd century date for Luke-Acts is the most implausible of theories.
@@DiscipleDojo What are you comparing ACTS with? You just said this was completed during his lifetime, not after the fact. Neither circumcision nor the use of the codex were first century concerns. There all became issues after the second Jewish revolt in the time of Hadrian.
@@DiscipleDojo As for martyrdom you are trying to read between the lines & there was no circumcision committee and judgment in Jerusalem, they were just one of many small messiah factions of the time. This whole Nero and the Christians was a second century invention. Resent archaeology in Rome has found no evidence for a major fire at that time. The same is NOT true for the great fire of London.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Please becareful what you teach.
PAUL is the most misquoted, miscontexted😂 and mistranslated apostle and writer of any genre in the world.
Example: regarding shabbat, shabbat has blessing for mankind it was blessed by God before noah,
even working animals are required to keep it what more for gentiles. What more grafted israelites (gentiles). How can gentiles honor the creation and become blessed by it if its not keeping it.
Keep in mind, Jesus is a jew and the lord of the Sabbath.😊
Amen to all of that. That is why we teach much more on this in our Bible for the Rest of Us course and work through Paul's use of the Law very carefully, rather than prooftexting. It's also why I am a Hebrew Bible teacher who loves Torah and believes we are to live by its principles--filtered through the reality of the New Covenant that Tanakh promised would one day transcend it.
@@DiscipleDojo what do you say then about the festival? If youre a hebrew bible guy you would know that in messianic age gentiles are required to keep torah festival such as sukkot otherwise they (nations) would not received rains.
Apply the weightier matter principle on this is the God intended to have festival for all nations it should be applied now so that all nations would know Gods appointed times and how to go near to him.
@@keso0011457You insist on reading the OT with a veil on. Jesus and the Apostles give the definitive interpretations and applications of the OT.
@keso0011457 It's pointless to try and refute the lawless masses. Only the Father can call them. These are very low-effort beliefs.