I actually read the Baal myth...here's what I found! (Part 2)
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- In this series we are looking at the story of Baal from the Ras Shamra texts found at Ugarit. Baal is one of the main Canaanite gods whom Israel was tempted to worship in the Hebrew Bible alongside their pagan neighbors. The more we know about the Baal myth, the more we recognize when the Biblical authors use imagery associated with it and what Scripture proclaims about the TRUE “rider on the clouds”, YHWH!
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In my humble opinion, the more of these "myths" I come to understand, from all over the world, with all their many similarities & "mighty gods" & all their violence. I truly believe that they are ancient accounts of the Fallen Ones, or fallen Angels or Watchers, whatever you wish to call them...
No for real for real, reminds me of Genesis 6 and the descriptions in Enoch
I was thinking the same thing. The Nephalem.
Do you often have arrogant opinions?
@@kayakMike1000 No, I just know I'm not an expert on this topic...
@kayakMike1000 Maybe YOU should look up the definition of arrogant... This post was anything BUT... 😒🙄
That description around 5 minutes sounds like a description of Kali
@@miguelcano2608 it does indeed!
That is what I thought, too.
I wonder how far people of that time traveled to trade, how many were displaced from other parts of the world; bringing their religions and myths with them.
All these stories r similar like how every culture has a flood story..i love this kinda i fo man feels like it fills in alot of gaps n makes my fsith even more real 2 me
I thought the exact thing, too!
Just another demon /idol all followed by foolish people.
This is FASCINATING!
I now see why God sent a drought where neither dew nor rain entered the land of Israel leading up to the event on Mt Carmel because of their Ba'al worship. It was the Lord demonstrating power over the "cloud rider" and THEN the rain came down RIGHT AFTER Ba'al was humiliated by YHWH and Ba'al's "prophets" where unalived! This is simply fascinating depth of insight into one of my favorite periods in the Bible!
Interesting to contrast Baal's demand for a "house of bricks" to YHWH's ambivalence to David's proposed "house of cedar" in 2 Sam 7/1 Chron 17 and Solomon's admission that his new temple can no more contain God's entire essence than can the very heavens and earth (2 Chron 6:18). The similarities of these mythological comparisons (Ras Shamra, Enuma Elish, etc.) with biblical texts are instructive, but the contrasts even more so--and, as I see it, even carry into the New Testament with Paul's statements on the heavenly powers in Ephesians 6, 2 Cor 10, etc., as the one true God exerts dominion over the would-be usurpers that have populated temples and altars since pre-history.
@@dannykoop exactly! The contrasts are FAR more profound than the similarities. Too many Christians dismiss it all, and thus end up missing out on significant Biblical teachings, such as your observation above. 👊
@@DiscipleDojo
I doubt we miss much at all.
You enjoy giving the occultic satanical a platform.
Using dojo alone significantly puts u in that genre.
@@user-qe1tv1bu2f what a terrible option to have…don’t think any words could help you at this point
@@leodoamaral9359 It is pretty weird that he makes his figurines the focal point of every video. Pretty childish if you ask me.
The content is decent in this series, but he's still a pretty immature Christian.
@@josephpchajek2685 that’s literally the point of reading these stories - to expound on them. And you take that as a sign of an immature Christian? Pray and examine your heart 🙏🏽
Just found this channel this morning and when I seen Professor Aquaman I fell in love! This is incredibly helpful and down right awesome content. Thank you 👍🏼
Just truly informative! I have been studying for many years and I was aware that in Scripture, especially in the Tanakh, that pagan motifs were used by the writers to teach the people that the things ascribed to pagan gods were actually the traits, characteristics and power of Jehovah. However, I was not aware of the depth and expansion used. For example, we see the "window of heaven(s) " as a pagan expression of where the rain comes from in Gen 7:11, 8:2 and Mal 3:10. This is eye opening info and very helpful. It leads to more clarity when studying Scripture. I just came across this channel today and regret that it has been unknown to me for the last 25 years! Channels such as this and many others show that the only way to learn about Scripture, for the regular people, people who don't have the time required to learn Scripture on their own, that true learning doesn't come from the pulpits, but is found on TH-cam.
@@bobcorrigan5540 it CAN come from pulpits...but teaching allows one to go into more detail than preaching most of the time. I think both are necessary and serve partially overlapping functions. Glad you found the channel! Welcome to the Dojo!
Absolutely grand. Excellent reading and interpretation. Madd love ❤️!
I like how you go through things and explain them
Hope this helps: The Baal Cycle was written around the 14th century BCE. The Enuma Elish was written around the 13th century BCE. Genesis was written between the 10th and 6th centuries BCE in ancient Israel and Judah.
Whoa
So basically, those other stories are the originals, and the writters of the made bible its own version? So are we just continuing ancient Mesopotamian myths in modern times?
@@divinelyautistic Not exactly (there is always borrowing from what came earlier) For the most part I think for the most part these are based on actual events. The timeline helps to understand who replaced who. It actually simple if we don’t delude ourselves with blind opinions.
Genesis was written around 1513Bc after he escaped from Egypt and was in the house of Jethro for 40 years.
@adebayoonakoya6243 but studies from the text shows that Moses could not have written the torah.. It was written well after his time and by many authors... I have a few ways how I found out..
Yes wine is very important to pagan religions, as a matter of fact: Halakha (Jewish law) mandates the use of wine in various religious ceremonies (such as sanctifying the Sabbath and festivals with wine at their start and conclusion, and at circumcision and at marriage ceremonies). The rabbis also prescribe wine for other central Jewish rituals: Kiddush, Havdalah, Passover, and so forth. And it's not just people - God also appreciates wine! Wine is poured out as a libation offering in the holy Temple. At the same time, Judaism recognizes critical dangers of over-consumption.
Judaism is not a pagan religion.
With this is mind, is there a possible connection to the Nazarene wow where you were to abstain from the fruit of the vine?
@@briteddy9759 yes I think so.
Water often had stuff on n it that could give you the shits.
@kayakMike1000 * The older gentleman from 'The Lost Ways' would say that you need a silver coin.
Funny how these gods can never seem to build their own houses, and gotta find some Shlomo to use rocks and dead plants to make something better than a tent. Also wine. Only the twice-born son of the highest god Zeus and mortal Semele, the new high god Dionysus, can make his own wine... until that Iesou guy comes around, at least.
ONLY 1 God my friend. Too much evidence pts at Jesus of Nazareth tho this world tried hard to dissuade you. Be wise! 🙏🏻 ✝️
@@Davido50 Any gods are welcome to show up and start presenting solid evidence. If they don't want to, that's on them.
@@sparrowthesissy2186 No, it's on you to do the proper research as the information's out there.
@@AkbarZeb-p6f You don't sound like you have much faith in any god showing up to give everyone good evidence. Funny, I feel the same way.
Sounds like Thor and the world serpent and OG from the book of giants
Reading these stories really does help to bring the old testament to life! It's evident that the God of Abraham Isaac and Isreal spoke to the people in a way they were used to hearing and using the imagery of the false gods to reveal Himself. Awesome!
evident to you
They may have created us in their image but it is evident to me non of them is the creator of all
@@hilkovanwalraven3111 The only Creator that made us in his image is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
@@jdaniel11405822 It could be interesting to look op the father of Abraham and the city he came from.
The civilization it was part of .
The origins of that civilization and the stories it produced .
I don't think Yahweh borrowed imagery from false religion; it's clear in the Bible that concept is repulsive to Him. But, like the Flood, the Genesis account preserves it in accurate though scant detail, whereas after the Flood when people again began to deviate from True Worship, they spread distorted versions of the Memory of real events. I think that's what's happening here. The Canaanites have distorted notions. I mean, if we're arguing from the Biblical perspective, Revelation describes Satan as a 7-headed monstrous serpent 'who misleads the entire inhabited Earth', so it follows that it is he and his agents that spread misinformation since ancient times to becloud the Truth.
To me, this is just the proof that men invented all those stories. Quite clearly
Holy crap these are interesting. I didnt even know these stories existed.
I once worked at a car wash during a summer where we had waaaay more grasshoppers than usual. People would come in to wash their cars, and I'd clean up the wash bays after them, and there'd just be piles of dead grasshoppers everywhere; it was so gross to clean them up lol. So that one part with the warrior goddess and the hands just instantly took me back to that summer, lol. That imagery definitely meant something to me!
This is the inComplete Caananite Elohim,or list of gods.
AKLM: Creatures who attacked Bal in the desert. Some say these creatures are grasshopper-like.
ANATH: This was a Love and War Goddess, the Venus star. She is also known for slaying the enimies of her brother Baal much in the same way Hathor slaughtered much.of
mankind (Anath is heavily related to Hathor). After the Defeat of Mavet and Yam, a feast was thrown for Baal. Anath locked everyone inside, and proceeded to slay everyone (as
they had all been fickle toward Baal with both Mavet and Yam, as well as Ashtar). Baal stopped her and conveinced her that a reign of peace is what was needed. She also has
confronted Mavet and was responsible for Baal's liberation from the underworld. She is the twin sister of Marah. Daughter of Asherah She is also known as Rahmay-
"The
Merciful", and as Astarte. Astarte is the Canaanite Name of Ishtar; just as Ishtar is the Babylonian Name of Inanna. In all cases the Name means, simply, "Goddess" or "She of the
Womb'
ARSAY: She of the Earth. Daughter of Baal. An underworld Goddess.
ASHERAH: The Mother of the Gods, Qodesh (just like El), Lady of the Sea, Wife of El. (see El). When the gods decided- to entreat Yam to ease his reign of tyranny, it was Asherah
who went to him and even offered herself. The gods agreed to let her do this, except for Baal who was enraged at the idea. (See Baal). Asherah is said to have given birth to
seventy qods
ASHTAR: Possibly a male version of Ishtar (Astarte in Canaan), the Venus Star. When Baal was killed by Mavet, Asherah had Ashtar, her son, placed on the throne, However,
Ashtar was not big enough to fill the position, and resigned (quite possibly a relation of the Venus star being the last star to shine before the Sun takes over). Ibelieve one of his
titles is Malik (the King) and other names for him are Abimilki and Milkilu
ASTARTE: A Name of Anath which means "Goddess`, or literally "She of the Womb . Astarte is simply the Canaanite version of the Name Ishtar.
ATIK:
The Calf of El. Enemy of Baal slain by Anath
BAAL: He is the Canaanite Ruler God (like Marduk). Baal and Yam-Nahar origonally competed for kingship of the gods. The mattes
brought before El, who decided in favour of
was
Yam. Yam then proceeded with a reign of tyranny over the gods, and none of them felt they had the power to defeat Yam. So, they sent Asherah to entreat him to lossen his grip.
Asherah even. offered herself to Yam. Upon hearing this, Baal was enraged, and decided to defeat Yam. Yam got wind of Baal's plan and sent messengers to El with the demand
that (driver). Baal - He be struck delivered Yam to on him. the E. chest afraid, with agreed Yagrush to Baalthen no avail taunted Then.he thes gods struck for him their on the cowardice- torehead and withz went tO Aymur face and Yam. fell He Yam had to the two earth. weapons After made, Yam's Yagrush defeat, Baal (chaser) had and. palace Aymur built
for himself; closely resembeling the story of Marduk. It also resembles Marduk's story in that the Primeval Waters threatened the gods, and the High God and others were afraid
to face them, with the exception of the soon-to-be Ruler God. The Baal epic then continues to describe his fight against Mavet. Baal is also a Storm God like Marduk, and a fertility
god like Tammuz. Dagon is his father. Baal is the Canaanite God-force (the goddess force seems to De split between Anath and Asherah). Baal's proper name is Hadad, relating to
his storm-god aspect. Baal is really a title, meaning
"Lord"
Baaľ's residence is upon Mt. Zaphon. He is known as Rapiu (Shade) during his summer stay in the underworld
BAALAT: Patron Goddess of Gubla. Fertility Goddess associated with Hathor and Isis
DAGON: A vegitation God (especially corn). Father of Baal
EL: The Father of the Gods the Creator of Created Things, The Kindly, Kodesh. Asherah is his wife. When he was young, El went out upon the sea, and there met Asherah and Her
companion Rohmaya. He then roasted a bird and asked them if They would be HIs wives or daughters. They chose to be His wives. El mates with these Goddesses and Shachar
and Shalim (Dawn and Dusk) are born. This family then builds a sanctuary and lives in the desert for eight years. This episode may be the closest we have to a Creation story
involving El. El wears bull hors upon his helmet, and He is a grey haired and bearded patriarch. He resides at the Source of Two Rivers' upon Mt. Lel.
ELSH: Steward of El and Baal's house. His wife is the steward of the Goddesses
ESHMUN: God of healing. A great God of Sidon
GAPEN: A messenger of Baal. His name either means Vine or Field. Probably the former.
HELEL: Or Lucifer. The Light Bringer, the Moring Star. Son of Shachar. Helel once attempted to take his Father's Throne, but falled (another myth concerning Venus' place as the
HADAD: See Baal. Originally the Sumer-Babylonian 'Adad
last star in the sky each morning, as if trying to defy the Sun). This is the very Myth which spawned the Christian Myth of the War in Heaven (see Issaliah 14:12- which, in Hebrew,
says "Helel' and not Lucifer").
HIRIBI: God of Summer.
HIRGAB: Father of Eagles. Husband(?) of S,umul.
HAURON: A God that is related to Ninurta of Mesopotamia and Horus of Egyp
YAHWEH: Yahweh is added here because there was a short time in which He was simply
cupbearer along with Baal. Later, as the National God of lsrael, Yahweh was equated with'El, and Asherah became His wife. H.
part of the Canaanite pantheon. He was a Son c of El; and he was part of the court of El as
YAM-NAHAR: Yam-Nahar is the Primordial Waters that were defeated by Baal (see Baal and Asherah). His
name
means Sea-River. He was originally given kingship by El, and ruled
as a tyrant over the Gods. Baal finally rose up against him.
I keep hearing people say that Yahweh was part of the Canaanite pantheon, adopted later by the Israelites. The problem is, I never read that from anyone in Academia who can point to ancient written sources. Till now, when archaeologists and scholars find an inscription that mentions Yahweh, they immediately know it's Israelite, because Yahweh wasn't worshipped by the surrounding nations...-which is weird! Everyone shared their deities...except for Yahweh. Egyptians didn't worship him, nor Canaanites, nor Syrians or Mesopotamians...
Can you site any ancient Canaanite inscriptions that mention Yahweh?
@@Bimfirestarterthe Caanaites are the Hebrews, Jacob (Israel) came from Ur, which was Mesopotamia/Babylon.
@@Bimfirestarter 😀
@@Bimfirestarter get it
The window is how lilith (don't know her ugaritic equivalent) gets in, no window so she can't slip in while he sleeps and steal his seed.
got my sub. This is good stuff.
Kind of like Osiris being scattered
Wen baal is asking for a house... that word house means body... he wanted to be in physical form . In this time he was just in the etheric... this was a mistake
The son of god that crushes the head of the serpent is very similar to someone
Is it true that in the Bible, sometimes when it says 'feet', it actually means 'genitals'
@@Cherokeeseeker yes
This is awesome. My mind is exploding with connections. You’ve surely noticed that paganism is coming in hot these days, filling the void left by the apostasy of the Western world. We need to know these stories and their symbols so that when we see them, as we did at the opening ceremonies of that weird sportsy event everyone watches, we will recognize them for what they are. Don’t kill me, but I’d love to hear Jonathan Pageau and Richard Rohlin walk through this story and give us their take on it.
Another connection is with ancient myths the world over about one (or more) of the great global catastrophes of the late Pleistocene and early to mid Holocene. That would include Noah’s Flood but also the events that happened at both ends of the Younger Dryas chronozone (one of which may align with Noah’s Flood, I don’t know - it’s hard to put the pieces together with the currently available evidence). In the Bible, other ANE literature, and oral traditions of people groups from Australia to Siberia to Peru, the references to devastating lightening storms and floods are not merely descriptions of God’s capabilities. They are memories of global catastrophes that occur once ever few thousand years. Sometimes, they are mostly about water, sometimes mostly about fire. It’s been a few thousand since the last one (the Flood). St. Peter told us that the next destruction of the world would be by fire. It may be almost upon us.
Asherah and Baal are both titles, rather than proper names; do you have any idea where these deities first became worshipped?
Also, it always fascinated me how "El" or "Il a" keeps recurring in Middle Eastern cultures as the Creator or Father of the pantheons.
Allah
Not too surprising. El seems to be in common use for ancient Hebrew. The names Samuel, Daniel, and Gabriel all revolve around a relation to God through the word El.
5 min sounds like the 10 fearful spies of Canaan describing themselves as grasshoppers before the peoples of that land!
Respectfully, in the confusing part, it seems the author by having Anatu express what she has done to Yamm is clearly showing her support / direct involvement (perhaps the warriors she slaughtered was supporters of Yamm) for Balu and accepting equal "credit" for dispersing and disassembling Yamm. On a side note if you read closely neither Balu nor Anatu actually claims to have "destroyed or killed" Yamm but rather has dispersed, bound and destroyed his jaw and smitten (struck) Yamm.
What is it with every single mythology, in every part of the world, having a storm god defeating a serpent/dragon?
I suspect the demons were attempting to fulfill the prophecy God gave in the garden that the offspring of the woman shall crush [the serpent's] head.
Hosea 2:16 (NASB20)
“And it will come about on that day,” declares the LORD,
“That you will call Me my husband
And no longer call Me my Baal.
In Norse mythology, and clearly a retelling of this story, Thor, the Norse storm god destroyed the Great worm/serpent.
One can see similarities as well with Hercules fighting the hydra.
@@fargomonkey5133 yes, almost every ancient religion has a "hero vs. serpent" motif. To me that argues heavily for a shared primordial memory among humanity that is paradigmatic.
Honestly I don’t think it’s a sin to study mythology we just aren’t supposed to practice or give praise to the God or Gods of other religions/mythologies. And learning about Baal actually does help, because God was evolving the Hebrew Jews away from these sinful practices of human sacrifice and such on.
I feel like us as humans are susceptible to following what’s not right just due to our fleshly attributes. But one should always remember that these gods are lower case compared to our God Yahweh 💯
Anath sounds a lot like Kali.. The way she makes jewellery out of people's heads and limbs.
I’m curious about this myself. Have you ever heard about the Bible heaven, also in the Vatican vaults, which has 777 books?
A lot of phrasing and words I recognize from Hamlet's Mill and the procession myths
Mills and boon
So learning about ancient myths of Gods is not idol worship....because you are learning about the ancient stories...you are not worshipping them.... or as I have always said....Know your enemies... the Italians have a better way of saying it..... Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer! See my rant below for my theory about who these so called Gods really were.
I think the reason Baal said not to put a window was to make sure they completed building the house before making a window for his clouds to go out from. Safety insurance
The story sounds very similar to the horus and osirus story in the anunnaki tablets.
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7:30 GOT: The Red Wedding.
Rob Stark and his mother and the heads of his army were slaughtered during a toast before the meal.
Doesn’t Shiva wear a necklace of skulls?
Psalms 22:12 (KJV) Many bulls have compassed me: strong [bulls] of Bashan have beset me round.
Beshan has a lot of significance throughout biblical text. That's a location to pay attention to. It's below Mt Hermon.
We do know a few events that happen on or around Mt. Hermon 🤣
That window section reminds of Dr Seuss, and this is the Ba'al that all the Christians are scared of? 😂
I'll bet this is euphemism for casual sex, and storms is euphemism for virility.
So Thanos was Yammu and Thor was Ba 'lu. First time "You should have gone for the head" second time thanos is slain and the entire audience cheers.
11:07 Anatu (is this Hel?) Thors sister?
15:37 house (temple)
35:52 "the earth shakes" so its not literal.
Sounds like the power struggle within the world of Edlen Ring. Spoiler, it doesn't end well for the kingdom. On a serious note, similarities between ancient texts regarding the "gods" and God the Father would be expected if they are the fallen trying to emulate the one true God. They witnessed the Glory first hand before the fall and would be very familiar with what to copy in order to deceive mankind as their final act of rebellion.
This is fascinating stuff! I've never really delved into the myths of the Canaanites, their literature and all that. I think perhaps it might be better to look at the similarities in the same vein of Flood stories. It's not that the Bible is ripping off older stories, but rather, everyone has a memory of these things. In this case, perhaps there was more data on the events of the Garden of Eden, the prophecy of the Offspring who would crush the serpent's head. You gotta know that this got distorted among the pagans. Seven-headed serpent? Like how Satan's depicted in Revelation? Wild stuff. Maybe the Israelites were already familiar with the concept well b4 Revelation was penned.
Semitic languages use roots and then they use further conjugation or context to modify them.
Although, keshet generally means bow, it does not intrinsically mean a bow weapon. For example, keshet is also a rainbow. We derive that the meaning of KShT is (arcing forth in a trajectory). Therefore in this context with "matoth", keshet probably means a spear thrower and matot are probably javelins.
This is good content. Especially if you've dabbled in the other myths and can connect the dots. He gives subtle hints in his dialog... that nearly all myths either retell the same story or are further developments of said story.
I wonder what the world will be like be like when the majority is finally able to realize this manipulation. We are decieved in many ways but this deception of how everything came to be is probably the greatest.
I'm beginning to think it's all by design though. Just how everything fell apart by design, everything will come back together by design.
Pretty much
Yahweh, Indra, Zeus, and Thor are all described like Baal as thunder/storm gods. interesting similarities.
Yahweh isn't. He is the God of creation, sovereign over everything. Wind, lightning, the sea, fire, the land, light, plants, everything obeys Him.
Did you even watch this???
Exactly
@xn85d2 there was no Yahweh in whole story.
@@i_nehatiwari There's Yahweh in the Bible, though; YHWH is the name of God often translated as LORD in the Old Testament, which could be Jehovah or (more likely) Yahweh when you add the vowels back in. And it's @richardkersey4960 who I was replying to who attempted to compare them.
32:45 70 sons. This has interesting parallels in the Bible.
It seems this translation assumes animals and wine are given. It seems possible. The wine is the blood of those animals.
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'Storms' seems like it might be a euphemism for virility.
I wonder if anatu is a corruption / parallel of anantaa, which is another name for durga, a "benign" form of kali - who is exactly as described here.
You dont seem in the least bit interested in the father of Baal who seems to be a fallen angel
How shamedul that a god begs and complains that he has no house. Can't even build his own house. Wouldn't that tell anyone at any time and space that baal has no powers?
The snake, serpent, the alike is referring to the sea also. The coiling serpent can equate to the sea waters. 7 headed serpent of chaos, 7 sea faring bad "rears" (apologies for original wording).
Alot of this imagery reminds me of a time following cataclysmic events, giving idea of the seven headed serpent of chaos.
It's just a bunch of puzzle pieces to what happened in ancient times. Just rolling theory over a lot of research. I may be way off, and if I am, I apologize, but I really think this theory may apply.
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The origins of what pagans believe originates from the righteous and Godly man Noah and his 3 sons. The Lord almighty, through Abraham, restored what what had become corrupt.
The orgins of the Bi(bull) are stolen and plagiarized stories from the ancient Kingdoms of Mesopatamia and Egypt. The civilizations of Akaidians, Sumrians, Babyalonians, and Egyptians are the roots of the Abrahamic Death Cult religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
The Hebrews spent 420 years in Egypt.
The Tabernacle was modeled after the Egyptian Pharoah's mobile home on trips and war campaigns.
The Moses Exodus would not have had Baal imagery. The people knew Ra and Egypt.
After the Hebrews took control of Canaan with such dominance as the walls of Jericho falling down AND the Bible says that generation or the next followed God well before rebellion began to really become a problem, therefore IS it possible Baal and Asherah polls were created in response to the Hebrews powerful God?
There is a lot of language similarities between this and the Bible, but we don't know who influenced who?
Sounds like Anatu is Kali -- righteous feminine anger. I thought I saw that Ba'al cast his eyes on her daughters?
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Anatu is Kali from Hinduism! Look up Kali in google images. She wears heads around her neck and hands around her waist.
Cotor (spelling might be wrong but the guy who make's Baal's weapons from the last video) sounds like the greek god Hephaetus who fashioned Zeus's lighting bolts (his weapons).
I'm wondering if Anatu could have been male. @17:54 El - "I know you, my daughter, that you are a manly sort".
Given that Transgender is being prevalent today and most likely back then.
Is there an estimated date of these writings? 🤷♀️
'Vir' in Sanskrit means “to subdue, to overpower, to tear open, to display heroism.” 'go' means Cow. together they create the Latin word for Virgin, in Latin, 'vir' means Man, 'gin' is from Greek 'gyne' mean Woman.
Dumu means son or Daughter, 'nin means Lady, there is no Girl in Sumerian, other than dumu munus, woman or young woman maybe. The wife of the Door Keeper is Nisaba, the goddess of grain, the star Spica in Virgo.
September 4th thru the 8th 2040 is when all the visible planets align with Spica, looking like the Sword of Judgement, the 8th is the birthday of Mary, the New Moon took place on the 6th, the 8th is the first day you see it's little horns.
@@MrBlazingup420 that all has nothing to do with this video.
@@DiscipleDojo This is about the dying and rising vegetation god, isn't it, they are all the same, I use Damu is all, take a look at Alla-gula, the Sukkal (Messenger)for lord of the Good Tree. I'm waiting for a taxi, or I would show you more, I'll try and get back to this comment in a day or two, when I get back, This isn't my only comment, I have a couple more.
So Baal is Marduk. He is Nimrod.
When she wears the parts of her enemies it reminds me of Indian myths.
I appreciate your willingness to explore the myths and legends of other cultures. However, I can’t help but chuckle a bit at your reference to “Stock” terms or phrases instead of acknowledging that the “Hebrews”, formed and altered their “Scripture” whenever another culture was encountered. I often wonder what their scriptures and beliefs would look like without the obvious influences of the Canaanites, Philistines, Babylonians, and Persians! Would “Satan” be as powerful without exposure to Zoroastrianism? What would the “Hebrew” calendar look like if they didn’t have the Canaanite calendar for a “Stock” calendar?😂
@@dewaynemiles1245 you mean what would Scripture look like if it weren't written within an actual historical setting with other cultures surrounding God's people? Who knows? Unlike the other religions of the ancient Near East, the Hebrew Bible is predicated upon YHWH interacting with His people within human history. 🤷
I believe that I understand your position and I respect your right to believe whatever you choose! However, it would appear that YHWH stepped out and consulted with the Gods of the surrounding cultures periodically before interacting with his “people”!
Regarding the similarity to the Hebrew and Caananite calendars- could the similarity be because Abrham was from Ur of the Chaldees?
@@donnaruby1304 While I believe that many things are possible, I must say that this particular thing might be a bit less likely. I say this for a number of reasons but the most basic ones come down to geography. UR was located in Sumer and while not too far away it was certainly farther away than their Caananite neighbors. Another reason would be all of the months in the "Hebrew" Calendar named after Caananite Gods!
Satan is called the prince of the AIR....pretty close to storm god...
Lucipher is helel
There is no satan
I see a lot of similarities. I was thinking about this the other day, well came down through Noah and his family, and they knew about God before this. Adam walked with God. God spoke to Noah and most scholars believe that Job was around her before Moses and Jacob and all of that. The old world before Judaism knew of God and so much of this was probably known by all these people, Noah and his sons knew stuff about God. They knew of God they knew these rules and ways to live in, though the law hadn’t been created and handed down to Moses, officially, God still spoken to people before this and no one has sons had stories from generations before and a lot of this sounds to me like a lot of very primitive beliefs from people who worship animals and stuff that’s just in their geographical vicinity and sort of make things up around it on his throne, and these things were probably things that everybody knew about God God just hadn’t given us the law at that time but had walked with God and they saw some of this face-to-face and I’m sure he talked to them and especially after they had send God interacted with others and lot of this seems to take basic elements that are kind of a given and then a lot of it just kind of Reminds me of primitive cultures that just sort of make things up about animals and stories and sort of turn into something else like a lot of mythology. Then a lot of it, especially about the brutality and the fighting and all of this stuff you see this a lot and primitive cultures too, and even in modern cultures where people try to boast and liking gang culture where people try to sort of empower themselves by their weaponry, see gang mentality people, and videos, holding their gun sideways and trying to show off and sitting around talking about how bad they are with their weapons and all the things they can do and a lot of it sort of, getting psyched up and adrenaline flow from feeling powerful because of these tools and weapons, and a lot of that from a psychological standpoint comes out of insecurity and trying to present yourself as dangerous so people will respect and fear you. When you’re reading about how he makes a weapon and it doesn’t work so he makes another weapon and crushes the head, I just kind of imagine like these dudes playing with nunchucks and have these cheap swords and stuff sitting around partying and talking about how bad they are, vicious and powerful they could be with their sword as they swing around and break. Mom’s lamp freak out because they’re about to get their butt whooped. I don’t mean to be rude and make fun of people, but this is just the general impression I get from a lot of this is these people who are sort of may be higher ranking and a tribal group or just amongst their friends like a gang sort of thing sitting aroundtalking smack about how cool they were showing off their weapons and talking about how hard-core and bad they were and all that they could powerful weapons😂😂 you see this in a lot of aspects of cultures, guys will come over and show off their tools and weapons and kind of talk. Smack about how no one can mess with them now because they’ve got all these or whatever. now they kind of play with their weapons and show off kind of boasting and showing often trying to put out this image that they’re really really hard-core and dangerous😂 I think a lot of the stuff at the core was probably at one time stemming from the truth about the real God, but then they get off into talking about weird stuff and it just seems very boastful and like bragging and showing off and just kind of petty fake showboating element of it, and we see that in modern society, especially in like a gang society or something where people are growing up in dangerous areas and kind of banned together and try to psych each other up as a way of dealing with the pressures of living in a danger zone, like some of the stuff was talking about some of their gods sounds like a giant anaconda, snake or something they saw and just started calling it a God like a lot of primitive cultures in the Amazon and stuff, worship, jaguars, and tigers and big snakes and just kind of tough animals that are dangerous.
From our religious standpoint, a lot of this seems very foolish, but from a psychological standpoint, it seems very common and reminiscence of behavior, monks, people throughout the ages and generations, and just sort of a common behavior of how people just sit around and talk smack and make stuff up and then a few generations down the line the stories get a little exaggerated on and puffed up a little and it goes from. He was the toughest dude in the neighborhood and a few generations later all of a sudden now he’s the toughest God in this part of the world or whatever . It’s all very predictable. That’s one thing I noticed about reading the Bible and the old testament. Is you kind of surprised a lot because things aren’t quite as predictable and normal as if they were derived out of common human behavior and folklore, the Bible is very specific and it was a lot of God just telling people how it is And unusual situations that were obviously the hand of God. The story sound like some dude built primitive, handmade weapon and smacked a snake over the head like one of those 30 foot anacondas or something and sort of part of a big story in the neighborhood through the telephone game and being repeated over and over through the years, turned it into, a primitive religion. And we still see that in modern times there’s culture even just a couple decades ago that would like about bad bad Leroy Brown and they wrote songs about him and stuff and a dude from a big fight sort of turned into an urban legend, who is bigger than life, and a lot of this kind of has that same sort of tone to it
Obviously the house which Baal wanted to send rain at the proper time (!) means a constellation of the zodiac to which Baal didn't belong at that time.
The dragon Baal defeated is not Tiamat. It is obviously identical with Seth of the Egypts, Typhon of the Greeks and Vrtra of the Hindus which all refers to an space object, hitting the earth but also to the constellation Ophiuchus (the snake bearer).
As 2. Peter 2, 4 shows, Jahweh is identical with Zeus (who has defeated Kronos and thrown into the Tartaros) who has defeated Typhon also. Maybe that was the reason that Israel identified Jahweh with Baal (Hosea 2, 16).
@@penoge I don't think any of that is "obvious"...or even plausible. 🤷
@@DiscipleDojoYour problem
Great videos btw.
Maybe you answer this in other videos, so apologies if so. But how do we know that the writers of the Bible were taking from the Baal myth? Just because there is similar wording doesn’t necessarily mean one is taken from the other. But I’m genuinely asking how we know.
Perhaps it means the existence of other gods was also known to other nations of time before, and they believed in it, not necessarily that the writers of the Bible have taken from Baal myth. Perhaps God has given that knowledge to others, apparently, such knowledge has been circulating for ages until this day.
When speaking of "thrones" and "resting places", it is important to remember that to Canaanite and proto-hebraic polytheists, God's resided within physical localities. Temples, nations, geological features. To invade those places was to invade that god's power. To lose those locations was,for those gods to lose a, measure of their power. Historically, the Hebrews were never slaves in Egypt, but they were slaves in Babylon. When their temples were burned down and they were removed from their ancestoral lands there was a crisis of faith. Where did their gods reside now? How could their gods be with them? This was a big part of Yahweh taking acsendency over all of their other gods. As a foreign god, he was always seen as not having a physical domain, which was a weakness before. Now, in exile and slavery, it became a strength as he was not bound to those localities that were lost. (This also explains why Hebreww mythology adopted so many Babylonian themes and imagery.)
It also Has a familiarity To North mythology.
wouldn't the Zodiac age have been in The Bull during this time? I think that's why they thought "god" was a bull.
31:20 - It's written that all Scripture is inspired by God, so it's hard for me to believe that an Israelite scribe would just copy and paste from a pagan scribe and insert God's name in place of Baal. 🧐
That's right, it actually sounds ridiculous that they would do that. Really, they couldn't come up with their own story? Let's just remember that Satan is a liar, a FATHER of lies as the Bible depicts him, he has knowledge and knows how to lie from the beginning of this world.
If I'm inspired to write a piece of Bible now a days, and I know about the 'make America great again' speeches of Trump. Then I wrote in the Bible... God will make America great again.
I use known stories, and people will recognize it. But still, it will give full glory to God. So both can be truth, also in this ancient days. Using old and familiar stories is even mandatory, I think. To make clear, there is no possibility to use both deities...
Of course, you use concepts that are very familiar at that time.
And I'm from the Netherlands, so abusing mister Trump for this example, but I guess most people don't recognize a local example😂
Hope you can follow my thoughts since English is not my first language.
In America we do that. We have pagan holidays but we celebrate Christ on those days. So it's not that far-fetched. And plagiarism does exist. We arguably live during the most educated time frame of human existence. There are some people like my father who believe God appoints our president..... I'm Taking all the information with a grain of salt.
11:40 The issue with saying it's a figure of speech is, and that God is merely copying or alluding to Ancient Near East beliefs is basically saying the ultimate reality (which includes physical reality) of the statements aren't true, and that He just mouths that off for our understanding, but basically just fluff of what potential He has, but nothing more.
In the Bible, figures of speech become literal true fulfilled things. For example, the Messianic prophecy that Jesus would not break any bones is a Hebrew idiom and figure of speech for moral integrity of spirit - it became literal and physical in the cross, He literally did not break any physical bones.
God's victory over the Leviathan Satan will be a physical, literal, real one, not just a conquest of and victory over generic evil concept.
That doesn't follow logically.
@@DiscipleDojo what makes the Bible the word of God is it makes the figurative and metaphorical real and physical in the real world.
Or else the Bible is just like any other religious book with fancy metaphors about their god but no reality, it's just different gods (and God) saying I did this and that, I'm the cloud rider, NO, I'm the cloud rider, you're not, with no substance since cloud riding didn't actually happen if it is just an allusion.
Peter calls the Bible the word of prophecy, and the test of prophecy is if something will actually happen in physical reality, not in metaphorical sense.
If the stuff the Bible says only is metaphorically true, then it fails its own test. By JUST alluding to ANE stories, it's just God trying to flatter Himself with delusions of grandeur in Job or wherever UNTIL it actually happens.
Who is Baal today:
Baal
Ba'al
Ba'alah
Ba'al Lah
Allah
Al Lah
Ilah
Bel
Bal
Hubal
There are many more names.
Same jurk entity. And all relate to the fallen angel Azazel who thaught the Canaanites the metals of the earth.
"Bind Azazel hand and foot in the desert." 🕋
The moongod ( male ) came from Assyria and was brought to Mecca!
Totally missed it, dude. This is a song or poem depicting the actions of the worshipers as the acts of their deities. They were in drought, and after sacrifices didn't work, they built a temple and dedicated it with sacrifices. When none of thos worked the built a window in the temple. After this the rain came. It is the typical worship of pagans. Nothing more. The Bible didn't take anything from it. They just used phrases and imagery that was common during the era.
@@patrickd.mccallister4723 literally talk about that in this series. Stay tuned.
Also nimrod gets dismembered too
Bohemian grove
So I wonder if it has something to do with the same aspects that Jehovah witnesses do not place windows in their churches for example Jehovah's' Witnesses do not want to be associated with Christianity and they don't want their buildings to look remotely related to a house of worship.
Job predates these myths. They made up their dates and timelines to make their kings seem more divine.
The letter W was invented in 1700 to replace 2 u's together, Yahuuah is the true name of our Creator and the letter J was invented in 1574 to create the name Jesus to replace Yahusha. Please do some research.
Anatu story sounds like the story of isis after her mate was killed and dismembered.
In parts of Texas and Louisiana they eat that stuff. Those people are wrong. Lord bless their hearts
Eat what stuff?
@@DiscipleDojo it was late. I think I was talking about reptiles😂. Forgot to time stamp
Not sure what to make of this but we all come to terms with the truth at our death bed. I just wish we could have death bed consciousness when we are up and living.
JM, you have done nothing in this series so far to separate the God of the Hebrew Bible from the surrounding religions that pre-date it in that region. You assert the earlier religions are false but that the Hebrew beliefs are true. You have not shown how or why the Hebrew is any more than an evolution of the religions of that time and place.
This series has been educational, but not in the way you meant it to be. I know it is frightening, but look at the data without presuppositions.
@@joestfrancois what makes you think this is intended as an apologetic series? Not everything is aimed at skeptics.
@@DiscipleDojo Interesting, so are you conceding the God of the Hebrew Bible is simply an evolution of the religions of that time? That is not the only option of course, but many scholars will posit that position. With lots of references and so on.
@@joestfrancoiswhy take that assumption? Where are you getting that implication from JMs response and the series itself?
@@passionatetechnology8306 wrote "why take that assumption? Where are you getting that implication from JMs response and the series itself?"
Because he said it himself in comments on the first video. He has also spoken in other videos about rejecting things because they contradict the supernatural elements of the Judeo-Christian claims. He called them miracles, but whatever. JM's position on this stuff is no mystery.
I would have to agree with you on this. In India reading and seeing thier depictions in statue form ,what I see is all the stories were taken and new names put in place.
Which people calls the Almighty Father by name? Only those who are not His children. Which message provides salvation? Writing style? Is there any significance to salvation of the whole creation by referring to writings for demon idols which has human behavior, weaknesses and mind, which were worshipped by those who are not children of the ONLY ONE AND ETERNAL GOD? The time spent not in service of God is for service of the enemy.
Isaiah 34:16 - "Look in the scroll of the Lord and read: None of these will be missing, not one will lack her mate. For it is his mouth that has given the order, and his Spirit will gather them together."
Because it’s in the book of Ruth. Ruth was going to be sacrificed because she was a Canaanite as a child But she was saved by God because a blemish or a mark came on her and she was deemed not perfect So she was not sacrificed she later goes on to marry a Jewish guy Name, Joseph, and yada yada yada she is part of the bloodline of Jesus.
@@kira5868 literally everything you just said other than the last 8 words above is incorrect. 😅
Stock imagery?? Bro, you are just pointing out that the one called YHWH is really Baal. Do you think the Father of Christ, which is Christ himself, caused the plagues of Egypt? WWJD? Does that seem christ like? Jacob and eesau
Since I'm not a Marcionite or a Gnostic...yes.
Stock imagery?? Bro, you are just pointing out that the one called YHWH is really Baal. Do you think the Father of Christ, which is Christ himself, caused the plagues of Egypt? WWJD? Does that seem christ like? Jacob and Esau? That was fair? To trick your brother, let him die, trick your father as he dies, and take it all? Thats a messed up way to found a holy religion. Which ends up being based on peace and love.
If his victory was so great. A-Why didn’t dad already know B-why did his “manly” sister/lover need to use it as a negotiating tactic C-dad didn’t bother asking his daughter to site some sources before he became the ruler D-how weak was the sea god that he got beat by a derelict, petulant, “god” in his own mind, HOMELESS (wonder how that happened?sniff), whiny, bully in only certain rooms, loser like BAAL?
'Atiratu is Athiratu. Often Hebrew sh becomes t or th in other Semitic languages.
A storm god riding a chariot through the sky fighting a giant sea dragon/serpent with a mace/hammer and killing it by hitting it on the forehead...
This is very much an Indo-European derived myth.
@@mver191 other way around
@@DiscipleDojo Unlikely. The Baal cycle cannot be older than the introduction of the chariot from the north, which was an Indo-European invention. Meaning it cannot be older than around 2000 BC at max. The Egyptians adapted it around 1650 BC.
These same Indo-European inventors of the chariot spread the chariot to India and also introduced Rigvedic gods to India. Of which Indra has the same story of defeating a Serpent as a stormgod with a mace/hammer like Thor and Baal for example.
"Vritra (Sanskrit: वृत्र, lit. 'enveloper', IAST: Vṛtrá, Sanskrit pronunciation: [ʋr̩.ˈtrɐ]) is a danava in Hinduism. He serves as the personification of drought, and is an adversary of the king of the devas, Indra. As a danava, he belongs to the race of the asuras. Vritra is also known in the Vedas as Ahi (Sanskrit: अहि, lit. 'snake' IAST: ahi Sanskrit pronunciation: [ɐ.hi]). He appears as a human-like serpent blocking the course of the Rigvedic rivers, and is slain by Indra with his newly-forged vajra."
"Both Indra and Thor are storm gods, with powers over lightning and thunder, both carry a hammer or an equivalent, for both the weapon returns to their hand after they hurl it, both are associated with bulls in the earliest layer of respective texts, both use thunder as a battle-cry, both are protectors of mankind, both are described with legends about "milking the cloud-cows"
Much of Syria, Lebanon and northern Mesopotamia was ruled by Indo-Europeans at some point (Hittites etc) and especially the Mitanni were interesting :
"In a treaty between the Hittites and Mitanni (between Suppiluliuma I and Shattiwaza, c. 1380 BC), the deities Mitra, Varuna, Indra, and Nasatya (Ashvins) are invoked. Kikkuli's horse training text (circa 1400 BC) includes technical terms such as aika (Vedic Sanskrit eka, one), tera (tri, three), panza (pañca, five), satta (sapta, seven), na (nava, nine), vartana (vartana, round). The numeral aika "one" is of particular importance because it places the superstrate in the vicinity of Indo-Aryan proper (Vedic Sanskrit eka, with regular contraction of /ai/ to [eː]) as opposed to Indo-Iranian or early Iranian (which has *aiva; compare Vedic eva "only") in general."
The storm god defeating a dragon/serpent seems to have its origins in the northern Black Sea area and spread from there by the Indo Europeans all over the known world.
This kinds of the god story telling sounds very similar to the Hindu gods stories!
These gods like to live in objects. This is why some religions wordhip with objects. Bowing in front of them, placing food and drinks around them and so forth.
So if there are similar myths and stories from each culture with different names- Marduk(Baal) Tiamat(Yom), is there a source document that they derive from?
I imagine it all comes from the story of the tower of Babel and then they all went out with their own languages.
@@colorsflight6432 Very likely
I thought Bale didn’t sacrifice food. I thought they sacrificed children? At least that’s how it’s depicted From the Christian aspect.
@@kira5868 no, that was Molech and Chemosh, and another god worshipped in Carthage. I'm not aware of humans sacrificed to Baal (though given the fluidity of beliefs and lack of coherent theology, it may have happened on occasion).
What are some thoughts about El Shaddai/Yhwh being originally being local and corporeal deity moving to a more transcendent, still corporeal, deity after the Babylonians destroyed his temple. Then NT moving into a completely transcendent deity.
Does it come across as natural progression of culture or adapting the deity to fit the current circumstances? Or both? If the latter two, does this create a theological problem?
SN: Rehab and Deber are deities often translated as pestilence I believe within Hebrew bible. Will have to look at the Hebrew to see it. Logos Bible Software is a great tool for this if anyone doesn't know.
(Excuse any grammatical errors please lol)
Ba'lu is not Ba'al.
Are El (Ilu) and Ywh the same? Or distinctly different characters?
El is a biblical name for THE God, which yes, would be Ywh. Elohim is a biblical name for the entirety of celestial beings, other gods such as Sons of God, angels, and many other spiritual beings God created, the so-called "godhead". But El is the creator.
How do you know for sure that Habbakuk draws from this epic and rather that it's not the other way around? Perhaps there were older oral traditions concerning Yahweh that the Baal worshippers drew from. It also draws from the story of the Israelites in Exodus describing themselves as grasshoppers. Personally, after archeological study, I believe Abrahams leaving Ur to have occurred the era either during immediately following Sargon the Akkad. Many believe there to be a similitude between Ea as described by priestess Enhuedanna (Sargon's niece) and her Goddess Inanna (supposedly the niece of Ea who stole all the maces/me's by getting Ea drunk and seducing him. I believe this because of how Inanna is discussed in I believe this story to be a deeper metaphor for what was described in Genesis concerning the early days of man (in Mesopotamia). It says that in the early days, man called upon the Lord (Yahweh) for they still knew him. But as time went, they fell for the seductions of the Nephilim (sons of God) who had fallen from Heaven. These fallen ones taught the humans things like child sacrifice, seduction/manipulation, witchcraft and sorcery/divining, imperialism and domination, etc When you start to look at things through this lens, these mythologies compared to the Biblical accounts make actual historical sense! I definitely recommend diving more into the old testament books. There is a lot there to explain the differences and similitudes. One could write an entire book on it!