I Bought 2 UNTESTED Xbox 360 ELITE Consoles in 2021... I GOT SCREWED!
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I decided to buy 2 more untested Xbox 360 consoles... (I bought 3 untested xbox 360 consoles from goodwill a while back). For this video, I bought 2 untested Xbox 360 ELITE consoles - 1 from eBay and 1 from Mercari. Buying untested consoles is sketchy, and this is my first time purchasing from Mercari, so check out the video to see how it went...
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“Untested” is often a way of people selling broken consoles for an inflated price
Yup
@@jrob0021 hi
Just throw it away at this point if it’s completely red ringed
I agree with this. Listing as untested outside of parts only is fraud. If you cannot verify function of a device, it should be considered parts only until verified.
@@zero9112 not really fraud, more a rip off. Sellers are not required to test them if the listing specifies it is untested. They should be in parts only, that i can agree with, but they do not have to be under any Terms of Services. Of course it is a problem because there is no real way to show the console is untested, most consoles are tested and found to be in a non working order, leaving the buyer as the one to blame because by purchasing the “untested” console, they knew that the odds were likely stacked against them. This means the seller almost always wins.
I wouldn't say you got super screwed for the price you payed! Totally cleanable, just some work. Definitely wouldn't trash them, it may not matter much since the Xbox One and newer consoles are backwards compatible, but some people can't afford those consoles. Maybe give it away if you don't feel like cleaning it. Good video though!
Yeah "Backwards Compatible" for like a fraction of the overall Library, and even if we take into account Remasters/Re-Releases (a lot of which later had the X360 Versions made BackCompat instead of other games without Remasters which was bloody pointless 🤔) which even then it's still like 1/1,000,000th of the Library
OG Xbox is even worse, think of the THOUSANDS of games for that System... 48... You get 48 of those 🤣
@@MrRhysReviews would you rather have nothing?
@@Galahad993 It's more a matter of preservation... It's fine for now, but what about when the Servers/Files are no longer available? Then it isn't BackCompat AT ALL so what I said was relevant (also I was bringing up how they wasted time "Porting" games through the program that already had native PS4/Xbone releases instead of games stuck on PS3/360 so that is also somewhat relevant, especially if they don't go back to doing more OG/360 stuff at some point 🤷♂️)
I'm a PlayStation guy though first and foremost and I keep all my Hardware (and still have my PS3 and even PS2 hooked up alongside my PS5/X1X/Switch/Wii U) so I'm good 👍
@@MrRhysReviews Microsoft will keep it around as long as Xbox is a brand. It’s literally one of their flagship features.
@@Galahad993 Obviously, it's all hypothetical at this point but it remains that it is finite, you need the Servers for anything to be "BackCompat" which basically defeats the purpose of such "BackCompat"... Every other System with BackCompat is actually running the games off the Disc (the X360 did this with OG Xbox games for example, PlayStation basically started it as we know it today on PS2 which had Full BackCompat with PS1 and then the same with the Launch PS3 which could do PS1/PS2 Natively)
Very cleanable consoles right there. If either one has the Kronos 1 motherboard they are highly sought after. They’re easy to clean an re paste. Don’t toss them!
For anyone out there wanting to buy a 360, please know that "Service date" and "Manufacturing date (MFR)" are *NOT* the same.
wait so what's the difference between "service date" and "MFR date"?
from r/xbox360
“Service date means it went to Microsoft for ANY type of work.
They put a new warranty sticker on after a service.
It could have been a DVD drive repair, or it was a refurb, anything.
It's probably the original board, though. And if not, likely the same model of board.
As far as I know, there's no way to tell what board you got except for maybe the power supply it came with.”
Manufacturing date is when it was made, when it first rolled off the assembly lines. Service date is the date it was serviced for quality, repair, etc..
360s that are serviced by Microsoft usually have their defective GPU chips replaced so they are generally a safe bet for reliability
Or if the shell breaks and you need a new one
Just do a cleaning job on the smoker console as a test to see if it is actually possible to clean.
What you want to do is just take it apart as much as possible, and then dunk all the non-electronic bits into a tub full of soapy water and let it soak.
For the electronic bits, I found that just plain IPA and lots of scrubbing will take care of any bad smells.
i would do the same as well
They CAN be cleaned. Take it apart completely, soak all the plastics overnight in dish soap and hot water, and run the board through the dishwasher on air dry. Apply new thermal compound, replace the fan assembly.
Wait what?? The motherboard in the dishwasher?
You didn't get screwed lol, you literally bought them UNTESTED and they were listed as parts/ not working, you set yourself up to get faulty consoles.
And they worked! You got the opposite of screwed! Bro says he got screwed cause one of ‘em smelled bad.
Exactly. I was gonna say the same. 15 bucks each for parts. Untested means untested.
Guy paid 5 dollars “i got screwed” lmfao
@@toolsonabudget7763 AND he got a refund on the 2nd one AND got to keep it, if you watch towards the end. Like wtf
The smell could of been something that could be a problem in the future
Just FYI, I bought a New OG Xbox 360 from eBay a few weeks ago... So that video should be coming sometime soon. Should be pretty cool and should have the original blades dashboard (hopefully the Xbox actually works lol)
Sick I really like Xbox 360s
Same
@@jrob0021 I’m looking for a Xbox 360 what would you recommend
Nice man also before you throw away the gross Xbox you should take the disc tray plate off and clean is really good to get the smell off and stick it on the $30 one to make it look complete
@@Bxbysxul I know I'm not jacob but anyway,
I personally think the slim is the best because it has the feel of the og xbox 360 while being way more reliable.
If you want the most reliability then the 'E' is probably the best but if you want a nostalgic feel then the phat(?) Is the one you want.
Like i said I would reccomend the slim but it is what you personally prefer.
Don’t throw it away keep it clean it out
Bro I’d take it if he don’t want it. Been looking for a 360 on a cheap and can’t really get any good deals...
Its garbage
Don't worry he's going to get it repaired then flip it, he scammed it off of the Mercari seller remember?
@@acumenium8157 this is a joke right?
I'm not actually throwing it away but it's not worth my time to clean it. It's been sitting in my garage. I'm going to give it away
I love these videos because you always say the dumbest things. I can’t tell if it’s satire or not. There is no way you really said “someone selling consoles for parts is scamming you” wtf. If you pay $20 for a console that is listed “for parts” you’re lucky it boots lmao. “I might throw it away because it’s dirty” it’s a WORKING console.
like literally i’ve been spammed his videos mf act like a karen like bro opens up consoles all the time but he can’t be bothered to clean one
yeah that pissed me off lol, that console was fine just needed a good cleaning.
At the very least, his "fake" wii video from a while back HAD to be. He either realized he didn't want to do satire anymore, or got much smarter very quickly.
I agree, there is far too much whining for a $20 working console. And no, he didn't get "screwed" as Mercari issued a full refund AND let him keep a fully functional 360. I've repaired and cleaned perhaps a dozen 360s, and cleaning is one of the easiest flips. You can even buy repop shells and all the bits and bobs to make it look like new.
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YAY BONUS GAME, always the best part of buying an untested console, (after it turns on of course)
Bonus games are awesome. I've actually gotten a lot of them from 360s lol
@@jrob0021 I’ve found a lot of Wii’s mostly without cables and I think the majority has had games! One time wii sports :)
@@jrob0021 they love people and are genourace to the player
As some one who does this kind of stuff as a hobby it’s honestly pretty easy to get rid of the smell as long as you clean it properly
I just don't wanna touch it anymore lol
I purchased an E model for $50. ( 250G) 2-ea controler, charger and kinect.
But man...it had a FUNKIE smell..( purfume or whatever the heck air they were breathing in their house)..i sprayed that bad boy down with disinfectent.
Let it air out outside for a day..lol
I got xbox1 s the other day..it just had sticker goo and scuff marks..it looked
bad...but with a little elbow grease. It looks NEW.
Ive been lucky so far...(EVERYTHING WORKS) even though I purchase it in person through FB..I actaully never plug it in before handing over my money...I'll never see those people again..lol
They're mostly just normal people, They dont want any trouble/problems/drama in thier lives.
@@jrob0021 do you plan to open the 360 up and clean it?
@@CautionusJay no
Most likely the disc reader needs cleaning and a bit of lubrication, in my experience that removes the weird noises, also you can at least take the disc tray cover thingy from the stinky console and put it in the working one.
I’d actually clean the stinky one as it’s actually the better of the two consoles. It’s a newer motherboard revision that’s more sought out after.
How did you get screwed? You got 2 consoles that work. The smoker one can be completely dissembled and cleaned in a tub of soapy water.
Man, I miss the old dashboards ;(
Same
The blades were the best
The date on the first 360 was a service date, so that’s not when it was made. It was probably made around late 2007-early 2008. It’s a falcon motherboard, so not the best one.
Jepp, but the dirty smelly one was a jasper. It should survive if one can see through the smell:-)
@The tricky tick He he, agree, but some noses smell cigarette fumes, just by knowing they have been there:-) I do not, by the way.
I wouldn't say you got screwed... I mean 20 Dollars for a 70 Dollar device that needs a clean; bet someone would buy it as is tested for least 35 to 50;
"2010-11-05 :Service Date"
This was when it was sent in for repair by Microsoft, not when it was made. Just a fact
Bruh. Dude got a perfectly fine console pretty much for free cuz he got a refund, and has the audacity to say that "he got screwed" and thinks about throwing it away 💀
There was no reason for the refund anyway, he got more than what he paid for (fully working console that could've been completely dead and not salvageable). You buy untested items knowing that there could be anything wrong with it, it's basically the same as "for parts". I've bought "for parts" items on eBay before and had them arrived fully working, just needed a clean.
I'm under the impression he's making a fuss about it for views
Looks like the seller has dug that out the back garden 😂
Lolol
I would want that smelly 360 if it were put up for sell!
Imagine that humming sound was copyrighted by Microsoft
Lol
So I've been informed that the first console I opened was actually serviced in 2010 not manufactured in 2010 (says it right on the sticker but I didn't notice it)... So not a jasper motherboard. Unfortunate
Dang
Bro it clearly said for both of them they parts only or don't work, you didn't get ripped off you just can't read
Sorry man my motherboards are for select consoles only
On the note of that smoker X360 - if you have a dishwasher you could do a full teardown of the console and put all the parts into a dishwasher, throw some detergent in there and let 'er rip. I've had computer mainboards that were in smoker environments come up a treat like that. no need to trash perfectly good hardware when you can definitely un-stinkify it.
I repair electronics as a side business and dirt like this ist totally normal. Don't know why people treat their stuff like this, but I usually use screen cleaning foam to clean the case which works great for cigarette dust. I do wear gloves and a mask when working on these things though, don't want to inhale anything...
Love this style of video man. It's classic, keep it up
Im surprised the disc tray even worked on the first one considering how freaking dirty it was
Ikr lol
@@jrob0021 i started on a 360
if you're gonna clean up the smoker xbox, maybe you can get rid of some of the smell by taking apart the case parts and soaking them in some isopropyl alcohol or something
I would soak it in soapy water, dry it and wipe it down with isopropyl alcohol
I'm gonna soak the motherboard in soap and water 🙂
@@jrob0021 make sure to power it on while in the water for faster cleaning
@@Lettuce1 😂😂😂
I got a used console from Mercari one time that smelled like smoke so bad no matter how much I cleaned it. I actually put it in a bag with some dryer sheets for a couple days and the smell completely went away!
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You should of cleaned it before trying you making the Xbox suffer more than it already should by trying a disk
You could always swap the shell you do know that
35 min late
No.
True bro
For the prices even if you had to put the parts from 1 into the other to get a single working console it’s not really a bad cost at all.
The second console you tested probably has some games on it, because the 3,000GS profile was on it
You could put the smoker’s Xbox 360 in the dishwasher (i.e. plastic, rf shielding, fan, heat sinks, fan shroud, and if you’re feeling adventurous also the motherboard) this method gets rid of all the cigarette smoke smell, but make sure it’s completely dry before powering it back on
I love your videos a lot keep it up!
watching these videos just make me have good 360 memories
Great video. Depending on the cleaning materials used, you can get rid of the cigarette smell. (I've managed to do that)
The smokers console can be easily cleaned but you’ll need to open it and that jasper motherboard is awesome
Jasper is great. I've personally had a jasper since 2009 with no issues
@@jrob0021 I have a xenon which has red ringed 5 times since when it was made in 2006!
Just curious why the misleading title about getting screwed, basically got a dusty free 360, a free DVD, aand mutiple free games xD sounds like a good deal imo
Yeah, I’ve noticed the misleading titles a lot more recently.
Guy got "screwed" from a working console listed as untested. 💀
No way bro actually said if they tryna sell you a 5$ console then they the type to to steal yo account passwords too. That’s the craziest transition into a sponsored ad ever.
I feel like there's a lot of stuff sold on ebay as "untested" even though the seller knows damn well it doesn't work because they have tested it. Not saying this person is scamming you, only because there's no way to prove it. The whole untested thing is literally just a scapegoat for sellers to sell something broken knowing they can get a bit more money out of it that way instead of just listing it as for parts or repair.
Oh yeah for sure. I think the ebay listing was legitimately untested. And for a console like the 360, there are a lot that are actually untested because the power brick is proprietary and not something people usually have laying around (unless you're like me). A lot of people that sell consoles like this just get them in a big lot or other random places, and they aren't a gamer and don't have the right power supply. Now with newer consoles, that's a little bit different because most of the new consoles just need a standard pc power cord
Sir, how is listing a untested console under "parts only" a ripoff? If you are looking for a working console look under "used working". Just because an item has no use for you does not make it a ripoff. Do not disappoint yourself. You can do better.
you can remove profile and keep game, I bought some game accounts a few years ago, installed games, and removed profiles and games still work
okay this guy just makes intresting gaming videos and this dude makes my day better honestly
Ikr hes goated
yes
I’ve been recently collecting and playing games for the Xbox 360
Like what games?
@@jrob0021 maybe mc
@@jrob0021 Call of Duty Black Ops, Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing + Banjoo-Kazooie, GTA V despite the GTA Online being discontinued on the PS3 and Xbox 360. I also have Halo 4, Assassins Creed 3, Skate, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, and Fallout New Vegas.
sorry if this comment is to long.
@@vcoottworld_mexicangaming96 i would say that collecting xbox 360 games now would be a good idea as it will soon be a retro console if it already one
@@dankcaillou I agree
Another great vid Jacob 😀
I got one for cheap too. It was partially messed up, but it worked fine.
Your one of the most underrated youtubers out there imo
What do you do with all the consoles you buy after each of these videos ?
Great video! I took a gamble on eBay a couple of weeks ago and ended up with a $25 working 250 gb slim with loaded games. I was very pleased to say the least!. Also bought another slim with a Kinect and 12 games for around $50 from goodwill and got a bonus bo4 disc in the tray.
niiiice
Im miss the xbox 360 elite :( im need the old dashboard
The second console near the hdmi port it look like it was open because the case clip isn’t closed
A fix to the disc tray not opening: Press the eject button and give the console a slap. Or, pick the console up 1cm and then drop it quickly. Should work.
The Jasper system is worth keeping despite it needing to be deep cleaned. The Falcon system, not so much. I had bad luck with systems dying that were Falcon and older from RRoD.
Falcons are arguably better than jaspers in some regards.
@@ohioxboxcollection4838 why is that? I have not heard that before.
@@driverdis3488 the disk drives that are paired with the falcons seem to work better and last longer, I’ve had fewer issues with falcons over Jaspers. But both are what I consider to be the best 360 revisions.
@@ohioxboxcollection4838 thanks for the reply. I really wish disc drives were easier to swap like the original Xbox days. I had bad luck with some is the original drives and all I had to do was swap them vs spoofing the drive on 360 and potentially risking a ban.
@@ohioxboxcollection4838 The Jasper legitimately is objectively better than Falcon in every way. The Falcon systems I've had which were 2007 models actually had the same disk drives that my Jasper systems have. Phillips Lite-On drives. Every single Jasper I look at, I can buy with basically 100% confidence that the system will work just fine. Falcons are another story. I just don't even touch Falcons because I've had bad luck with them in the past. My Jaspers have been more reliable than even my 2011 Slim Trinity systems. They are fantastic consoles.
Just by the thumbnail this looks like a good one
I thought it was gonna have the red ring
I have a 360 elite and it has the ring on it thats red
i mean if you bought old xbox 360 elite from ebay or gamestop always expect 3 things:
1- some durt inside it and dusty cooler fan
2-disc tray stuck and sometimes wont read some games because of lazer being dusty
3- missing gears
Pretty much, I expect dust/dirt in all consoles, but this one was next level dirty. It made my room smell. I have this thing sitting in my garage now. It probably has cockroaches
Bought two Xbox 360 consoles, one was a slim and the other was the 2008 original Xbox 360. Was able to replace thermal paste and it started up right after I put it back together. Same goes for the Original Xbox 360. I bought a Power brick and a 500GB hard drive for the slim, and plan on getting a larger hard drive for the original Xbox 360. I only spent 40 for the two plus a few dollars for shipping. As of right now I have 5 Xbox 360s. One Halo 4 limited edition console, two Xbox 360 slims, and two Original Xbox 360s. I think the Xbox 360 slim I bought had been taken apart before. But it works fine since replacing the thermal paste
Its crazy how a simple wipe down made a world of difference on that nasty console
The motherboard revisions of these two Elites in order are a Falcon and a Tonasket. The Falcon was manufactured on the 8th week of 2008 and serviced in late 2010
jacob r if you dont want the one with smokey smell.... ill take it off your hands.... my nose is used to smells like that. also great video. :)
Lol I met you channel recently n been watching a lot of your videos and this one by far is the funniest 😂 the way you say disgusting like you said it about 30 times your the best man
In answer to what you can do with the very smoky one, perhaps you could take the front of the CD tray and put it on the better one of the two to make it more complete? Just a thought.
I just bought another tray cover off eBay for like $7
@@jrob0021 What was the point of that? Cleaning the cover off of the other xbox wouldn't have been much effort at all.
Excellent video. On the smoker console you would need to take it down to the board and soak and clean every piece of the case and dowse the motherboard in IPA to even have a chance.
I'm gonna soak the motherboard as well 🙂
I once operated a computer repair business. Dirty equipment is ultra common. Some people have REALLY dirty electronics because they never do anything to protect them or clean them. Dirt is very bad for them however and will lead to all sorts of issues. If you are going to buy used equipment, I recommend investing in a basic computer repair tool kit and plenty of canned air and canned electronics cleaning spray. Most of what you get used will be very dirt and often will smell bad.
Learning how to correctly open the cases and work inside is not hard to do. Be SURE to wear a grounded wrist strap when handling any electronics parts. That will eliminate harmful static electricity discharges that can harm internal parts. The tool kits have good brushes for cleaning hard to reach spots and proper tools for unfastening and grasping parts. Obviously, if a part like a disk drive needs replacing, that can be done easily enough. Plenty of videos showing how. All you need is the proper tools and procedures to follow, plus a good working drive.
At minimum, people should cover their consoles when not in use to keep dirt out. Ideally, every 6 months to 1 year, the inside of the units need to be blown out with compressed air. If just those two things are done regularly, the equipment should stay clean and work well.
Geez, the first elite has no drive tray door. That has happened to me too
Look into buying an ozone generator, it can remove fire and smoke smells easily. Fire fighters use it to remove the smoke smells from burned buildings.
I brought a untested ps Vita for $45 very good deal. Just always make sure they don't have current or sold listings of selling things similar because it will almost always be faulty. Brought the vita from a seller who mostly only sold clothes and stuff and I took the risk and it worked perfectly
Jacob R drinking game: take a sip every time he says the word "console".
I got rid of smokers smell by putting a gamecube and controllers in a backpack with a bunch of dryer sheets and it worked.
This one would need a full deep clean and then some dryer sheets. Still not convinced it'd be clean even after all of that
for future reference, get yourself an ozone generator, if something like this happens again, take the console or device apart, clean it up, then stick all the parts in a sealed container with the ozone generator and let it run for about an hour or 2, the ozone generator will eliminate bacteria as well as odors
It's possible to fix the red ring but u need like a 400 dollar machine to remove the GPU/CPU from board and another 20 dollars for a stencil and solder balls if you're doing reballing or 7-19 if you're replacing the chips
You can order the piece thats missing on ebay too.
That sound you hear from that disk drive, comes from the plastic part that is inside the top cover (the label side of the dvd), it gets pulled magnetically into place, and because of dust and dirt, it doesn't get pulled level against the disk and rotor, so when the disk spins at high speed, you hear this sound, i had this with a pc optical drive, if it is to bad, the damage is permanent and the sound will never go away again, but if it is in an early stage, you can clean it out and hope that this plastic "disc thing" get pulled to the rotor correctly. You can always replace that plastic "disk thing", its part of the top cover and mostly held in place by a plastic sheet that is glued over this thing, it has to sit loose inside of the top cover of the drive. I know my explanation isn't a 100 percent, but english isn't my native language, so i hope you understand what i am referring to
I've had good luck using dryer sheets to help dissipate smokers smell. Open it up, give it a good cleaning, and the parts into a sealable bag with a bunch of dryer sheets. Afterwards, I'd leave the parts sitting outside for a day or two to air them out.
I tried dryer sheets ages ago on old consoles like this and all it ever really did for me is mask the smell
Cool video thanks for the tip
Imagine dumping a perfectly good system just because you're scared of cleaning it
Sell on the RROD, someone will take a crack. Just clean it if you can. It probably just needs a reflow of the solder around the main chips which can be done with a rework station. Even spares and repair it has some value.
I drove at 200mph and died. I got screwed!
Don't throw it away, try to save it/ I know it will probably be really hard, but hopefully you can get the smell out.
Always clean untested xboxes.
The first console is a refurbished one from Microsoft,notice the very wide barcode and numbers and it’s a falcon mother board which wasn’t made at that time.the second console is a jasper motherboard and that was the proper manufacturing date
Thx I didn't realize that. Just looked at the date and assumed it was made in 2010
Next time you should test some apple watches or airpods LOL
$70 for a elite system? Can get them here In the UK for £10 obviously ik American prices are ridiculous but definitely wouldn’t pay £70 for a console that old but anyway good video always 👍
You could find them for that much here in the US if they're broken, but not working. Unless you just come across a great deal, which is possible if you're looking locally
@@jrob0021 fair enough, like you can get a full boxed elite system on eBay for £40 which is about $55 👍
Honestly the first console looks like it would clean up pretty good, id Honestly buy that lol
Still have my 360 elite, cables, controller and all still works like new.
Niice yeah they work great for a long time if u take care of em
That unit full of cig smoke - that's how criminally awful was the white Falcon I got a few days ago. I managed to knock 2 SMDs (I got them soldered back) under the GPU but hopefully it still works after soldering those 2 back. Also repasted it w/MX6. It's gonna be a lot of work (the front bezel, DVD drive and RF board all look nasty) but hopefully, after much effort, I feel like I'll have a nice modded unit.
Probably too late but you should check what Title Update Minecraft is on... if it hasn't been updated in awhile... Some of those older tus could be worth something to someone .
God tier content! Thanks man for the good vids! Keep them goin
You could take out the Chrome piece of the smoker box, and put it on the other one
I was curious if the serial numbers match on the listings vs what you got.
I've had that rattling happen to me.
it happened when I tried to turn on my Xbox and I just had to hit the top of the console
not too soft, not too hard
Man you just need to clean them, I bought an original Xbox a while ago and it smelt of smoke, I opened it up and cleaned all the dust out and the fan was disgusting thick clogged dust in like a ginger brown colour from the smoke, but I cleaned it up it now looks great and the smell has gone.
I just got one of these 360s for 20 bucks at a yard sale, pretty much brand new with box and controller
I scored 2 original PS3 systems one BC model. Both 80GB. And an Xbox 360 S with two controllers, AV Cable and Power Supply all for only $58!
At least take disc tray cover from dirty one, to put it on good one.
I'll probably just buy a new cover, I don't want to take any of the smoke smelling components out of my garage lol
Yeah, you shouldn't buy those 'untested' rip-offs. Rather buy 'broken', as I have done with two PS2s and both where fully working with one controller included, and cost less than a single controller on itself xD
That is the trey motor for spinning the disks
The Elite was also the first model with HDMI
I would love the have and do some modifications on it
Bought a ps4 off ebay other week, which came from a reseller.. It still had someones full psn account on it lol... I just removed it and put mine on as who ever owned it seemed young and i wasn't going to mess with his day. The sell was like, factory reset and working controller.. The controller was up the duff as well! so i got 20 quid back, luckily the console itself was sound as a pound.