I don't hate the send in a vacuum. This play required two perfect throws by the OF and IF to gun down Torres. I hate the send given the situation - 0 outs with Judge and Stanton coming up. If you send a man in this situation, you better be 110% sure he will be safe at home
Great breakdown! Thanks for the video! Is there something for each defensive player to do on every play? What can we teach kids about what to do when the ball isn’t hit to them and it’s not obvious they will have a roll to play right away? Any thoughts on this!
Think you covered everything. Pitcher backing home, first baseman should trail the runner. I'd usually would get on the left fielder for standing around, but this is one of those instances he really didn't have anything to back up. Most importantly. Why send him? Second and third with no outs. I can live with that. Especially with Judge and Stanton coming up. Who knows? That could have been the situation that got Judge's bat going. I do that a lot analyzing plays. Baseball is just one of those games. That one ball or strike call, one error, can drastically change the outcome. Just the odds. Notice everything is 3 or 4 or 9. Everything is a 25%-33% chance.
Thank you for the great break down (as always.) I'd agree, he should have been held - especially considering that Cleaveland is strong defensively on that side. BTW - 3B coach Phil Nevin's contract was not renewed. Probably not that play, but it couldn't have helped.
Holding the runner and letting Judge or Stanton bring them home was probably a safer choice, but I think this was worth a gamble. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, it’s not a big deal because it’s still very early in the game, and Yankees had a significant 3-1 series lead too. They could afford to gamble.
@@thomasmaher3438 depends on a lot of stuff. You get a feel for it after a while. How hard the ball is hit, positioning of the outfielders, their ability and arm strength, size of the field, batters speed. It all goes into a formula that your brain processes pretty quickly after you have played for a while
Yea on the defensive perspective you are taught when there is a ball that is hit all the way to the wall it is always three bases ahead of the lead runner. So in this case the defense creates this cutoff with the second baseman and shortstop being the cutoff man. But you are taught as a first baseman to trail the runner just in case he misses the bag to be the eyes on the runner. Then you are taught to cover second base on a play like this because if the runner at second gets too far off of the base then you can get him at second. So on the offensive side of things as a third base coach there is a reason why third base coaches get this far down the line. Because he needs to see if this ball goes down in the corners but he also needs to see what kind of angle that the outfielders take. But you also have to know what kind of speed that you have on the bases and so I'm assuming that Torres can run. So I think that the third base coach thought that he could have sent him and he could have scored easily. So I think I would have sent him because it could have been a key run in the game especially in the postseason. Because in the postseason you have to push the envelope at times because the pitcher on the mound that they are facing might not give up too many runs. Plus even if Torres gets thrown out at the plate you still have a man in scoring position at second base and you still would have felt good on who was hitting behind Soto
Torres should have been held. If there were 2 outs, send him. But, one out or no outs don't send him. Giminez has won the last three gold gloves. Though is glove work is fantastic, he has a great arm. I'm sure the Yankees scouting department was well aware of that.
If Soto never stopped running, he would’ve made it to 3rd safely. Especially with no one near 2nd, he could’ve sped through the bag as Giminez got the ball
Exactly my take. It would require precision on the part of the defense, and the odds are pretty good that the play wouldn't be executed perfectly, I'd estimate about 85% chance. Unfortunately for Torres, they did execute with precision. It happens.
I suppose it would depend on how the runners got there. If the pitcher looks shaky, hold the runner because you'll have more chances and the situation induces stress. That ball was smoked, contributing to the belief that they may be about to light the guy up. Holding the runner makes more sense. If hits are hard to come by, then maybe you send there, but it's way too early to come to that conclusion.
I don't who the right fielder was that day (Cleveland used a lot of different players in right), but Giminez (the second basement who handled the relay) is a three time gold glove recipient (in his third year). He has a great arm, and Torres isn't known for his speed. I agree with Matt on this one. Hold him.
I have a perfect question and video idea on the exact same subject. Would you have sent Alex Gordon in game 7 in the 2014 WS? Part of me says it is a no-brainer to hold him because Crawford had one of the best and most accurate arms in the game, but on the flip side of that coin, Bumgarner was dealing. The next batter popped out. Obviously, hindsight is 20/20.
Yankees really gave us month's worth of content in one postseason
I don't hate the send in a vacuum. This play required two perfect throws by the OF and IF to gun down Torres. I hate the send given the situation - 0 outs with Judge and Stanton coming up. If you send a man in this situation, you better be 110% sure he will be safe at home
Very helpful commentary, as usual. Could you talk more sometime on when the on-deck hitter has things to do on balls in play?
Matt,
Love your analyses. Thank you!
@@Paul1958R thanks!!!
Great breakdown! Thanks for the video!
Is there something for each defensive player to do on every play? What can we teach kids about what to do when the ball isn’t hit to them and it’s not obvious they will have a roll to play right away? Any thoughts on this!
Andres Giminez is a defensive monster at 2B
Gimenez routinely makes throws like that.
Think you covered everything. Pitcher backing home, first baseman should trail the runner. I'd usually would get on the left fielder for standing around, but this is one of those instances he really didn't have anything to back up. Most importantly. Why send him? Second and third with no outs. I can live with that. Especially with Judge and Stanton coming up. Who knows? That could have been the situation that got Judge's bat going. I do that a lot analyzing plays. Baseball is just one of those games. That one ball or strike call, one error, can drastically change the outcome. Just the odds. Notice everything is 3 or 4 or 9. Everything is a 25%-33% chance.
They went from a 80% of a big inning to a 50% of scoring a run.
Thank you for the great break down (as always.) I'd agree, he should have been held - especially considering that Cleaveland is strong defensively on that side. BTW - 3B coach Phil Nevin's contract was not renewed. Probably not that play, but it couldn't have helped.
Holding the runner and letting Judge or Stanton bring them home was probably a safer choice, but I think this was worth a gamble. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, it’s not a big deal because it’s still very early in the game, and Yankees had a significant 3-1 series lead too. They could afford to gamble.
What is your rule on what is an automatic double? Basically how does a fielder know when it’s an automatic double?
@@thomasmaher3438 depends on a lot of stuff. You get a feel for it after a while. How hard the ball is hit, positioning of the outfielders, their ability and arm strength, size of the field, batters speed. It all goes into a formula that your brain processes pretty quickly after you have played for a while
@ makes sense thank you!
Yea on the defensive perspective you are taught when there is a ball that is hit all the way to the wall it is always three bases ahead of the lead runner. So in this case the defense creates this cutoff with the second baseman and shortstop being the cutoff man. But you are taught as a first baseman to trail the runner just in case he misses the bag to be the eyes on the runner. Then you are taught to cover second base on a play like this because if the runner at second gets too far off of the base then you can get him at second. So on the offensive side of things as a third base coach there is a reason why third base coaches get this far down the line. Because he needs to see if this ball goes down in the corners but he also needs to see what kind of angle that the outfielders take. But you also have to know what kind of speed that you have on the bases and so I'm assuming that Torres can run. So I think that the third base coach thought that he could have sent him and he could have scored easily. So I think I would have sent him because it could have been a key run in the game especially in the postseason. Because in the postseason you have to push the envelope at times because the pitcher on the mound that they are facing might not give up too many runs. Plus even if Torres gets thrown out at the plate you still have a man in scoring position at second base and you still would have felt good on who was hitting behind Soto
Torres should have been held. If there were 2 outs, send him. But, one out or no outs don't send him. Giminez has won the last three gold gloves. Though is glove work is fantastic, he has a great arm. I'm sure the Yankees scouting department was well aware of that.
If Soto never stopped running, he would’ve made it to 3rd safely. Especially with no one near 2nd, he could’ve sped through the bag as Giminez got the ball
Like to know how many times the Yankees were throw out at the plate the whole post season
4:27 , Because big leaguers have egos and they're not going to stick to certain fundamentals 100% of the time over the course of a long season.
In a game that's still early, I like to go for it since the throw has to be perfect and more times than not, it isn't.
Exactly my take. It would require precision on the part of the defense, and the odds are pretty good that the play wouldn't be executed perfectly, I'd estimate about 85% chance. Unfortunately for Torres, they did execute with precision. It happens.
I suppose it would depend on how the runners got there. If the pitcher looks shaky, hold the runner because you'll have more chances and the situation induces stress. That ball was smoked, contributing to the belief that they may be about to light the guy up. Holding the runner makes more sense. If hits are hard to come by, then maybe you send there, but it's way too early to come to that conclusion.
I don't who the right fielder was that day (Cleveland used a lot of different players in right), but Giminez (the second basement who handled the relay) is a three time gold glove recipient (in his third year). He has a great arm, and Torres isn't known for his speed. I agree with Matt on this one. Hold him.
I have a perfect question and video idea on the exact same subject. Would you have sent Alex Gordon in game 7 in the 2014 WS? Part of me says it is a no-brainer to hold him because Crawford had one of the best and most accurate arms in the game, but on the flip side of that coin, Bumgarner was dealing. The next batter popped out. Obviously, hindsight is 20/20.
@@ajaded1 I’d have to look back at the exact situation. I’ll try to find it tomorrow morning
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If Alex puts on a bit more speed he scores. I'm a Dodgers fan I wanted him to score so bad lol.