I am 85 and still quite healthy. I grew up in UK during the war years when food was limited to simple varieties. We had a little meat, oats, onions, potatoes, carrots, peas, green beans, cabbage, celery, milk, jam, a little butter/margarine, bread, apples in season. The situation has changed, but I have gone vegan and stick with the same simple foods less meat and dairy, plus broccoli, lentils/beans, tomatoes, mushrooms, rice, no oil/fats, fruit. I cannot run marathons any more, but have been advised my arteries are not clogged, still do light gardening. shopping, most household tasks, and best of all pass the medical test for my driving license.
Good on you Sexton! I am trying to get my Dad (who is now 76 and healthy) to live at least to 100. He is still swimming 2km daily and does very similar things to you :)
@@ethicsexistentialism4191 Dear Mary, Thank you for your comment. However, I think I was wrong in regard to my diet. I have been putting on weight so am modifying what I was doing. I have cut out carbs and am currently trying Keto. I am envious of your fathers exercise regime. My plan is to reach 90 plus. Hopefully the big 100. Will keep you posted if I can.
@@sextoncardew903 hi again Sexton! I don't think keto is great, especially for people I've 70. I am a health scientist... Look up Valter Longo... And his book, The Longevity Diet. In my opinion it is the best evidence based diet BY FAR, which includes specific recommendations for people over 70. I am trying to get my Dad to stick to it and while he's not perfect he's doing pretty well 😁😉👍 Id love to hear what you think of it and if you decide to try it (and I have no affiliation with Valter Longo, I just find his work fascinating and very credible!)Kind regards, Mary 😊(from Australia)😎
@@sextoncardew903 and PS. I was saying well done for being 85 and in good health, and especially living through the war years 🙏👍 Valter's Longevity diet is mostly vegan with a little fish 👌😉
That's great, but a sample size of "1" means nothing. George Burns smoked into old age, for instance. There are always outliers. It's important for people to understand that.
I am from Sardinia. We don't eat meat or dairy where I live. It was a poor section. So legumes, greens, and fruit is what we've aways ate. We eat bread and pasta also. We use olive oil also. We live well over 100.
I make a big batch of savory beans once a week, canned beans with bell peppers, onion, garlic, greens, whatever, and lots of spices. I spoon them on top of whatever potatoes I have on hand - white or sweet. I also batch cook potatoes. Then I make a lovely nut/seed-based sauce, once or twice a week. I pile greens on top of beans on top of potatoes and drizzle with sauce, maybe sprinkle with minced red onion and cooked mushrooms (which I also batch cook once a week). Preparation is the key! Find some recipes you like, batch cook, be prepared.
I do the same and it works really well. I love always having a big variety of good, wholesome, home cooked food to eat depending on what I'm in the mood for. I don't buy anything in metal cans anymore bc of the health reasons... batch cooking allows me to control what seasonings are in my food, there's no metals or plastics leaching into my food, it's way cheaper and I just feel everything is yummier when its homemade.
Love this idea. Frozen veggies may be healthier than store bought (not knowing how long they've been traveling to and fro). Sounds like good crap. Lol.
The big key to not going overboard on healthy fats (nuts, seeds etc.) is to add them to your meals and not have them as snacks. Making *complete* meals and only eating when that *whole meal* is prepared is really the trick to making everything click.
Yes that's great as a rule and I love your suggestion but some people aren't able to even have nuts in the house, even if they're raw, unsalted, because they'd be eating them by the handfuls.
Akuma, long time man. I use the same technique of only eating the nuts and seeds as part of a meal, typically alongside beans and greens as a designated NutraTarain meal. Are you still Shredded?
Dude.what? not to eat nuts and seeds as snacks.....huh? I eat walnuts, almonds sunflower seeds and much more as snacks and I assure you I couldn't be healthier. I am slim extremely health below 150 cholesterol and more. You are wrong about not eating them as snacks
You can do both diets at the same time... In the Starch Solution by John McDougall the basis of the diet is eating: 1. Half a plate of non-starchy vegetables. 2. Half a plate of starchy foods from tubers like potatoes and sweet potatoes, from legumes and beans and/or from whole grains. And fruit as dessert...eating nuts infrequently. In Joel Fuhrman's nutritarian diet he recommends... 1. 2 pounds of vegetables, half cooked and half raw including greens and mushrooms. 2. 1-2 cups of beans And a variety of other foods in his GBOMBS - greens, beans, onions, mushorooms, berries, nuts and seeds Furhman's diet recommends 30%-60% of calories from vegetables (those vegetables can include sweet potatoes) 10%-40% of calories from fruit 10%-40% of calories from beans and legumes 20% or less of calories from whole grains and/or potatoes. 10%-40% of calories from seeds, nuts and/or avocados. So you could definitely follow a McDougall diet if you were following Fuhrman's nutritarian diet because McDougall classifies beans and legumes as a starch source. The only difference would be actively eating nuts and seeds as at least 10% of calories instead of eating them sporadically. To put that in context that's ensuring you eat around 7 walnuts a day on a 2,000 calorie diet. eg. half a plate of non starchy vegetables including some greens, mushrooms and raw onion 10%-30% of calories from sweet potato 20%-40% of calories from beans and legumes 20% of calories from potatoes fruit as dessert (10%-40% of calories) including some berries like blueberries or strawberries 10% of calories as nuts and seeds eg 7 whole walnuts a day.
This is very well said. I find it so much easier to eat a starch-based diet. But I do eat a fairly decent amount of non-starchy vegetables and fruits. I just feel so great on a starchitarian diet. Perpetually satisfied and content, full of energy, I have excellent bloodwork and everything is perfectly in range, and it's so easy to maintain a trim figure even though I'm eating giant platefuls of food.
I love your point about longevity. Why live your life overwhelmed by thoughts of nutrients when u can live a long and healthy life in a much more relaxed way. It’s Starch solution all the way for me.
Can it not be the best of both worlds, that is fuhrman and McDougal? I like both. I also like the fuhrman 90% rule were he even allows a little meat/dairy. But that might be my confirmation bias because I am not a big fan of supplements and if I can have a little meat instead of vit b supplements then that suits me better.
@@youngkevinsmith I have to say: I used to love meat, so this would be a HUGE NO for me. And if you're in it for your love of animals and not just for your health, all the more reason to refuse any animal products.
Your video is going on my Watch Later list forever. I think my confusion/guilt between the McDougall and Fuhrman plans have actually prevented me from jumping the fence completely into a sustainable eating plan. I find myself reading and listening to these two doctors and feeling a bit overwhelmed, particularly with Fuhrman’s precise recommendations. Thank you a million for your common sense approach and helpful support! Amazing presentation. Thank you so much💕👍
I think sometimes, we unconsciously take all these little differences and use them as an excuse for throwing up our hands and saying none of it works. Sheesh, try one approach if you need to, see how it works/how you feel, then try the other. Either one is better than the SAD.
And I’m primarily an Esselstyn person but need some nuts (he oks if not a heart disease patient) & starches but I know I can OD on potatoes in a blink! While I’m put off my Fuhrman’s manner a LOT, I think he knows his science. (Tho he seems to defer to Esselstyn when they are together) Net result-I’m corn 🌽fused…never feel I’m doing it right, especially cause am allergic to onions, most beans, & soy! I’d love to know with whom I can talk who can clarify & simplify for me!???
Wow... I feel so much better after listening to your take on all this. Even if it is over two years old at this time, it speaks to me right where I am today. Thank you so much. I feel as if a little weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I can go forward with more confidence about what I can do and what I just don't wanna..! I am 75 and in good health but can't (or won't) spend my day standing in the kitchen... It is a bit draining and I have so many more equally creative things calling to me that I want to do. Yay!!!! Love ya...
I found Eat to Live 7 years ago and it was all I knew. I adopted his plan and it became habit so it isn’t hard. Also I really don’t think being aware of a few of the major health benefits of various classes of foods (GBOMBS) is reductionist. In other words there is no conflict with the synergistic effects of whole plant foods for health. It’s really a point of emphasis. Getting more of the foods with higher nutrient density and lower caloric density. I guess this information does impact me because I would tend to overdo on starch and displace the more nutritious veggies and fruits. They are more addictive for me. I’m not doing this for some long term longevity goals. I really notice that I feel lighter and more energized when eating more of those high nutrient/ lower calorie foods. But of course everyone needs to do what works for them. I do include nuts, seeds and avocados for example and those are not addictive for me, nor do they cause weight gain. I’m just putting this out there in case someone wants to try the nutritarian approach. It has been incredible for me. I reversed high cholesterol, high blood pressure and pre-diabetes plus lost over 60 pounds. I transformed in 9 months time and have sustained it over 7 years. I think it is a fun way to eat and live.
OMG... this is my first introduction to you. You are the male version of me! I love that you are so pragmatic: what am I really willing to do? It is so easy to let perfection get in the way of progress, as they say. If you're eating plants, and not processed vegan stuff, you are 99% of the way there.
I had to return to this rant because my sister called me yesterday to tell me she was doing Dr. Fuhrmans 6 week program from his book. I've been wfpb for almost 4 years, mostly following the Starch Solution, but just basically eating starches and veg and frut I like. I started listening to Dr. Fuhrmans daughters podcast with him, and after 2 episodes, I had my mind blown with the over abundnace of information, and the hacks he has to make things healthier, which honestly, make me crazy, and makes me feel for the moment, like I'm not doing it right!!!!! UGH, I like your simple approach Dylan, and Furhman definitely doesn't promote ease in my opinion. You are so right in attaching Dr. Lisle's idea of don't major in minor things in this instance. I am so glad Furhmans plan works for some people, it's certainly not hurting them! But, I feel like all these methods and plans are like religions, it's good to have some in your life, and to take parts that work for you from all of them. I have never agreed with someone as much as I do in this rant! I hate when someone sidelines me with something I haven't done! Thanks for making me feel better about my diet!
Having cruciferous vegetables in high amounts daily is important for me, vs all the starch. The nutrients in them keeps my autoimmune diseases in check and my numbers normal. I’m also reversing a lifetime of bad nutrition, so for some of us, nutritarian foods work better and are worth the effort. Otherwise I don’t have the energy I need for my life. Wish I could afford to just be simple 😊
I agree with your thinking 100%, My philosophy is I don't want to, nor can I, live forever. I'm not afraid to die, but I don't want to LIVE a life worse than death. So, I eat as healthy as I can. Do I fall off the wagon occasionally, yes. But, I don't stay there. I hop right back on. Find the best, healthiest diet possible with foods that you love and continue doing that for the rest of your healthy life.
I agree 💯! I utilize both. I stay away from nuts because I can't stop at 1oz. Sometimes I want potatoes, sometimes I want beans. Snacking what gets me in trouble so I don't do it!
This was really helpful! I’ve been trying to eat starch solution for a while, and it’s been difficult because I’m a type 1 diabetic and I find that the white potatoes hit me hard. Harder than beans or sweet potatoes. (Also, I realize I’m in the minority here, but I don’t really like white potatoes unless they have fat on them. Don’t come for me please😉). You bring up a great point, instead of trying to follow one doctor perfectly, I should eat what I like and what works! Eat beans, whole grains, and sweet potatoes and don’t worry about it.
Your comment is from a year ago, but I had the same problem of having white potatoes cause a blood sugar spike for me. I could only eat them by putting them in a soup and adding some beans and veggies. I tried a vegan broccoli/potato soup but I ended up craving sugar so much that I never made it again (but I probably could have done better if I added beans)
I'm half way between the two. I understand the importance of greens, seeds and fruits/berries. At the same time I appreciate starch/beans and see them as the foundation of my diet and as a simple, cheap, fast way of eating. Dr. Fuhrman tends to overcomplicate things.
You are absolutely right and made so much sense. I think it would help so many people if the Doctors you referred to supported each other’s approach. When Dr Fuhrman compared his diet to McDougall’s I immediately thought of a saying I have heard many times throughout my life and that is, it’s OK if you sing in a high voice and I sing in a low voice as long as we’re singing from the same song sheet. When I listened to Dr Fuhrman I thought it’s dangerous for these very influential Doctors to sing very different songs. They need to tweak a few lyrics but sing the same song otherwise it all becomes too confusing and people lose confidence, when all they really need to is ditch the rubbish and eat more healthily. Imagine how strong these Drs would be if they all formed one choir singing in harmony to the world. I am looking to improve my diet and regularly juice, enjoy a starch based approach to cooking but I still occasionally eat meat and I love a coffee and a gin and tonic! However, I seem to have acquired dozens of very expensive books over the last few months which as you say confirm pretty much the same message while appearing a little contradictory. I think this is dangerous because it confuses people, nuts and seeds are a prime example. Your last question in the Fuhrman interview was spot on. TH-cam has been inspirational for me and yourself, the Krocks in the kitchen, the brand new vegan and many others are doing a fantastic job. So a huge thank you for the fantastic work you’re doing and apologies for the very long comment. I wonder if anyone ever reads it! 😂
I am following Dr. McDougall's plan. Easy for me. By the way, thanks for posting the 'cheeze sauce' recipe. It will be a staple in my fridge. Love your channel.
I love how blunt, honest and straight to the point you are. Human nature is to energy conserve, and that is my ultimate goal while eating optimally. Glad I found your page.
You are so real and straightforward! Thank you. I have tried plant based before and failed. I am ready to give it another go. Your suggestions make me feel optimistic that I can do this.
I follow a whole food plant based diet which combines points from both Nutritarian and Starch based. If you are concerned about the glycemic index of white potatoes there are some tricks to help lower the index. Eat at least a half cup of beans daily, keep the potato chilled before cooking, and eat the skin of the potato. These factors help to lower the index. Good health to you all!
WOW! THANK YOU for bringing my attention back to the big picture! Trying to stay educated and on top of all the plant-based information out there is key to remaining committed for me, but the downside of listening and reading all that is that I can get caught up in the details of all the different approaches and beliefs. Trying to figure out which “guy” is RIGHT, makes me just lose sight of the bigger picture. What I basically got from this is, eat more greens and then eat the whole plant foods that work best for YOU. I needed this reminder ..... so thanks!
Love you back as our mentor. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on two doctors I greatly respect, as you do. Your balanced perspective is positive and constructive. It makes sense to me.
Such excellent advice. I have listened to Fuhrman, Mcdougall and Chef AJ and take all their recommendations in to account. I eat totally plant based whole foods and feel fantastic, so full of energy . I have easily eliminated all meats, fish ,dairy, oils and sugar and really it is a breeze. Can’t recommend it enough and that is now my lifestyle without another thought .🙂
I'm doing some McDougall and some Fhurman. I eat mashed sweet potatoes and beans and that's about it for the starch, then I eat vegetables the rest of the time. No nuts, no meat and no dairy. I take a B12 supplement and one Garden of Life Organic Vit & Mineral. I also do Intermittent Fasting 16/8. Good video!
I didn't like this video....I LOVED it!!! I watch all of your videos (except the live ones....my archaic browser doesn't support live video) but this is definitely one of my favorites. You address the issues that I have mentally wrestled with for a long time, having followed the work of these same doctors over the years. I think the overall benefits of plant based eating often gets lost in the rigid adherence to a particular plan of a particular doctor. The general precepts are basically the same and if followed in a comfortable and sustainable way, as you articulated it so well, the benefits to the environment, the animals, and your health will inevitably follow.
I was about to leave a comment, but when I read this I thought, well, this is exactly what I was thinking but much more articulate, so let me just say... I couldn't agree more.😊❤️
Very balanced and practical. The general thrust of your diet is the main thing which is plant based and low fat. It may be that these disputes between doctors who essentially promote the same thing is good for public attention but the more important point is that both approaches are infinitely better than paleo or animal product diets.
I did dr. McDougalls and Furhman. My body takes well to Dr. Furhmans way of eating. I think it depends how the persons body and their preference. I lose weight on Furhmans and I feel amazing.
The way I found works best for me is to add frozen greens to my meals. So when you are heating up your beans on the stove, throw some frozen greens in. After your starch blaster is done, throw some frozen greens in. Every little bit helps :) For me the nutritarian diet leaves me feeling hungry. I have to have my starch! But with the amount of plant foods I'm eating, I'm getting all the nutrients I need :)
The strict nutritarian way is low starch and is more for weight loss. But he does have a section iirc were some people can eat more starch than others. Even a little olive oil also. And as is stated here fuhrman and McDougal are more similar than not. It would great to see them talk about some of these subjects!
So good to hear you discuss this. I feel the same way about potatoes too. So I'm not the only one who can't stop at one handful of nuts either, I'm thinking of crushing them and sprinkling a little on my breakfast along with my flax. Maybe that would work. Thank you for the video. Do you ever do live chats ?
Great video, I can tell you from experience that both of these diets work well. Dr. Fuhrman’s does allow you to eat a lot more as it’s not centered around tubers and starches. Yeah he adds beans and does say that you can eat potatoes as well. To put this in perspective I placed myself on a 1600 calorie a day diet. I couldn’t eat more than 1200 to 1300 calories a day. I would eat an apple and a banana for breakfast, 200 calories. A pound of greens for lunch 100 calories with another pound combined of cucumber 🥒 corn 🌽 celery, carrots🥕 onions 🧅 mushrooms 🍄 a ounce of nuts totaling 300 calories. My total thus far is 500. For dinner I would add a can of bean at 350 calories and a can of Amy’s soup and oftentimes I would add a can of Amy’s organic soup 🍲 adding another 200 to 300 calories for a daily total of 1000 to 1100 calories and I was full all day long and couldn’t eat a drop more. Sometimes I would eat a potato white in the evening with the soup but I could never consume more than around 1200 calories and the weight just melted off. Again both diets are solid but Dr. Fuhrmans is healthier. This is just my opinion
You have articulated my thoughts as I have followed many of the doctor's for about a year now. The most thoughtful summary I have heard to date. Thanks!
To get more fruits in your diet batch cook some steel cut oats then get frozen berries put a cup to cup and a half in a bowl with a 1/2 banana. Let them sit for 20 minutes. Then heat your oatmeal and pour over the fruit. Add hemp heart chia seeds and flaxseed. Best breakfast ever
Also figuring out what works best. Just making it “simple” for myself. As long as I cut out all/most processed foods, cut out all animal products, dairy and most oils, I think that works best for me. I definitely keep GBOMBS in my mind daily to ensure I’m getting what my body needs, but eating starch like various potatoes to fill me up definitely makes this sustainable so I don’t feel like I’m being deprived. (Just limiting nuts and seeds right now so that I can lose weight easier).
Excellent pragmatic summation of the various plant diets. I know I will never achieve a 100% perfect diet, i.e I have just enough oil and sugar, as I can get away with to make plant-based foods palatable to me. These little cheats mean I stick with the diet. If I can achieve 90% or 95% perfection that's good enough for me. This works for me.
My idea for eating nuts and seeds would be to make nut/seed based dressing or sprinkle some onto your daily salad. For me that would be an easy way to not get crazy with the nuts/seeds.
Great video. First of yours I've watched as well!! I completely agree with all you say. I mostly follow Dr McDougall's diet because it suits me perfectly. I want to be a healthy vegan and I need to loose some weight but I do not want to ever feel hungry. Dr F's diet is also great but too complicated for me to follow to the T as I'm also feeding two kids and a non vegan husband (he only eats the vegan food if it's tasty) Anyway, this was a tonic! To hear someone use common sense and diffuse all the stress we seem to generate out of simply eating real food, thank you :)
As a plant based person our food choices are as close to the ethnicity and culture of our family roots France and Mediterranean which include nuts and regional grains. Even when we have eaten plant based American, German British fare we gain weight and just don't feel well. Eating is also a communal activity where we sit savour our food and love the preparation.
Dillon, you've hit the nail on the head when it comes to my thought process as well. I like salad, but it's sooo time consuming to make, unless everything is pre-prepped. So, if I'm not "in the mood" or on a time constraint, I'm going to go grab something quick to eat, weather that's a Larabar or a bowl of granola. Right now, with my chronic health issues, having the energy to prep and cook meals, is sketchy, so I do the best I can in that moment. Canned or frozen food items that you can just heat and serve...like beans, really helps!! Great explanation of things in this video.
Word brother!! I feel like this when weighing up starch vs fruit too. Go starch, it’s easier, cheaper, more satisfying and overall far more sustainable!
It seems like I'm doing kind of a hybrid. I'm not afraid of starch or even bread, but because of Fuhrman's observations I've started doing some things like combining greens with my beans and throwing raw onion on as garnish. I never took nuts and seeds out, but don't eat them as a snack as much as a garnish. I gravitate toward stir fry and rice and beans but when I'm with my wife she wants potatoes so I go that way. I eat a ton of fruit too, mostly bananas,, which I'm not sure fits into either
I like and admire both, but I think the starch based "diet" is easier to follow long term. Btw, my insulin sensitivity drops when I eat lots of nuts and avocados (that's why I ended my vegan keto + fasting diet).
Just a note to say that my insulin sensitivity is no longer. My doc/np said, after my last blood tests, that she can see nothing that indicates anything that might lead to diabetes. Yay!
I agree with you so much. It has taken me a lot of years to get where I am…eating WFPB/no SOS. I had a hard time letting go of salt and sugar. I think we each have preferences that can get us to a much healthier place we can sustain and I think that’s what we all have to do. I’m happy, feel healthy and my upcoming doctor’s visit will tell if I’m successful. Thank you for your insights! 🌻
@@lynns7262 Hey Lynn, my results were great. I was able to cut one of my blood pressure medicines in half. I still fall back into the sugar trap from time to time but I keep trying. Congrats to you!
Your exactly right I just transitioned to plant based and been on nutritarian for a few days, shredded 10 pounds in a few days, but yes it’s not sustainable so I’m of your opinion- great video
Nothing beats potatoes and beans. There’re so many ways to combine’em: vegetables and beans, vegetables and potatoes, vegetables and beans and potatoes, zucchini and potatoes, zucchini and beans, broccoli and potatoes, broccoli and beans, purple cabbage and potatoes, purple cabbage and beans, brussel sprouts and beans, brussel sprouts and potatoes, etc., etc., etc. See? Endless possibilities 🤗
I was 145 pounds 6 feet tall at 22. At 215 pounds with asthma, arthritis, hemorrhoids, diverticulitis, no energy. Went on Mcdougall diet initially was 166 pounds now at 175 feel much better. Thanks for your personal insights... It makes it make sense. You are an inspiration for us! Bless you Dillon and keep it up!
I have read both Drs books and followed both food plans at different times.. They are both right. I will say Dr McDougal is WAY easier and WAY WAY WAY cheaper
You don't need as much food by a long shot if the quality is there. You'll be shocked. You can use head lettuce to dilute the more expensive stuff. Go to Aldi's, stay out of Whole Foods for the most part.
I've lost weight doing both of these plans. I tend to stick with DrF's plan with a little more organic potato/bread because I feel better mentally with some healthy fats (nuts, seeds, avocados) in my diet. I also try to buy organic whenever possible...especially ww breads/flours/oats...too many chemicals being sprayed on our crops these days.
Couldn't have said it better. Well done. To follow either of these guys or creating a combination of both, will still mean you will be healthier than 99% of the population.
Wash it all and cut it all up and cook it at once. Use it as meditation time or family time with everyone helping. Some things are ok with being frozen, too.
After 3 years doing McDougall with cravings & binging I have switched to Fuhrman .I need fat & beans to stay satisfied.. I have given up potatoes too..my cravings are completely gone.
I have the exact same experience with potatoes. I stayed hungry when eating potatoes and ate too little fat on the Starch diet. Now with more nuts and seeds and a lot of beans (didn't ate them at all before) I finally begin to lose weight, dropped my BP in two weeks from 140/80 to 115/70. My cholesterol went down too. I'm more satisfied, don't need to eat in between snacks anymore, don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore because of a hungry growling stomach. All gone now. I'm glad I transitioned from Starch to Nutritarian.
Well said video. Echos a lot of my sentiments. As a plant based eater who has to travel the world I can tell you it is much much easier to communicate to people( with english as a second or third language) and restaurants a meal based on potatoes and rice and beans. These are the staples that keep you going day after day and week after week. From the poorest to the richest countries, these are everywhere. Greens and such are rare and not everybody has them and you have to take the fruits and veggies that are prevalent to that region. So while I respect Dr. Fuhrman for the help that he has given to so many and the expertise that he brings to the table, I will always be a Mcdougaller.
My newest hack is a huge raw salad then use canned beans as a base of a dressing. Put some beans, soaked nuts, water with various spices and apple cider vinegar in a blender. This makes a great substantial and savory dressing which make the huge salad absolutely mouthwateringly amazing…
I like the starch-based diet so much that I kept thinking that it had to be bad, especially when you listen to folks like Fuhrman. However, like you, I need to incorporate more greens. I'm just not the salad type so I throw spinach into my smoothies or mix it up with a bowl of veggies, including potatoes.
Thanks Dillon for this video!!!! This makes it more clear to me to not worry so much about exactly which doctor to follow. I'm going to follow what is best for me and my body which is a combo of all of the doctors that I respect so much.
Great explanation of starch based vs. nutritarian vegan diets. I was intrigued that Dr. Fuhrman stated he doesn't eat before working out or playing tennis. When I was eating the SAD way if I didn't eat something before exercise I would feel dizzy and sick. Now that I eat an exclusive WFPB diet emphasizing starch I can exercise and not eat anything, just drink water, until hungry. So I am guessing what I was feeling was toxic hunger. Also, now hunger is no big deal and it is not an emergency. I can wait to eat without feeling yucky.
I have tried all the different ways of plant based eating and now I have settled on Dr McDougalls because it is what works best for me, I love potatos and they always keep me feeling full along with other starches such as oats, brown rice and beans. Dr Fuhrman's way of eating leaves me feeling hungry, I'm not a big salad eater, I would rather eat cooked greens and fresh fruit with my starches.
You're so right. Coming off the Standard American Diet as a family I find it the most difficult for my young kids. My kids wanna eat what they used to eat & it's difficult when family feed it to them whenever they're together. I try to make the old food with a healthy twist. I see other vegan/veg parents killing it, but on my budget I try to go all in but I know I can do better in areas.
Just take your time and be patient. The kids will be fine. Teach them the ideas about why you’re making this change and they will WANT to follow you as they mature. Do your best of course to keep the bad food away but don’t lose your mind fighting it. Peace and love.
Well Your World, thanks brother. I appreciate your kind & motivating reply. You're absolutely right. Gonna keep fighting the good fight against drive thrus & processed garbage.
Fuhrman spent 10 minutes talking about how great nuts and seeds were but his first error was saying that all the known centenarian populations had high nut intake. The Okinawan's who are the best example for many reasons have very high omega 3 to 6 ratios and longevity. Guess what? They hardly eat any nuts. According to a 1950 summary they eat got LESS than 1% of calories from nuts. If you follow Fuhrman's advice and eat 2 ounces of nuts a day you end up with 300 calories from nuts which would be a full TWENTY percent of calories from nuts alone...compared to ONE for the Okinawans. I don't know about you, but realistically for me nuts are so addictive and easy to overeat that I could easily eat a diet with 60% of calories from nuts. Fuhrman was right that moderate calorie restriction improves health and longevity. The Okinawans averaged about 1800 calories a day. I can barely fit that much in so it is impossible to overeat. Of course, it is interesting to ponder than rice, corn, wheat are all seeds, right, and like McDougall points out many civilizations have grown on these grains. Yet, the Okinawans are maybe "nutritarian" because they got 69% of their calories form sweet potatoes and 11% from grains which adds up to 80% of calories from starchy grains and vegetables, AND their total fat intake was only 6% of calories which is way down from Fuhrman's suggestion. Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, the ONLY cardiac doctor to have proven results in his study of reversing heart disease recommends against nuts too so if you are interested in clearing you cardio system of plaque you should go with Dr. E and McDougall most definitely.
I thought Dr. Ornish had proven results also with heart disease. Dr. Esselstyn quotes him. Anyway, it looks like you had a good time today splitting hairs.
Nice post. One thing that's not mentioned enough about the Okinawan diet is the high intake of greens...sweet potato leaves in particular. They also ate a lot of bitter melon...a low glycemic, low calorie vegetable. One of the problems with looking at the calories or weight in a diet is that greens have very little weight and very low calories. Growing food in the tropics I always have a good laugh at the Okinawan diet because everything they're eating is just what grows easily in a tropical climate. So if you live in the tropics grow all of your own food and you'd end up pretty close. Sweet potatoes grow like weeds and to get maximum sized tubers you should cut the vines when they get longer than 1 metre (which happens really fast). By the time you harvest the sweet potato at 4-6 months you will have harvested a huge volume of vines and leaves both of which are edible. The staple of the Okinawan diet is a sweet potato with deep purple flesh which is not easy to come by. I have 4 different varieties, all different colour profiles and I've been growing them years and still haven't found one with deep purple flesh.
There is a hell of a lot of overlap between the various schools - I go WFPB with no SOS and mix and match and like a lot of people - go to the kitchen and make what I fancy. I do experiment and some get incorporated into my eating ideas and some we mark down to experience.
I am 85 and still quite healthy. I grew up in UK during the war years when food was limited to simple varieties. We had a little meat, oats, onions, potatoes, carrots, peas, green beans, cabbage, celery, milk, jam, a little butter/margarine, bread, apples in season. The situation has changed, but I have gone vegan and stick with the same simple foods less meat and dairy, plus broccoli, lentils/beans, tomatoes, mushrooms, rice, no oil/fats, fruit. I cannot run marathons any more, but have been advised my arteries are not clogged, still do light gardening. shopping, most household tasks, and best of all pass the medical test for my driving license.
Good on you Sexton! I am trying to get my Dad (who is now 76 and healthy) to live at least to 100. He is still swimming 2km daily and does very similar things to you :)
@@ethicsexistentialism4191 Dear Mary, Thank you for your comment. However, I think I was wrong in regard to my diet. I have been putting on weight so am modifying what I was doing. I have cut out carbs and am currently trying Keto. I am envious of your fathers exercise regime. My plan is to reach 90 plus. Hopefully the big 100. Will keep you posted if I can.
@@sextoncardew903 hi again Sexton! I don't think keto is great, especially for people I've 70. I am a health scientist... Look up Valter Longo... And his book, The Longevity Diet. In my opinion it is the best evidence based diet BY FAR, which includes specific recommendations for people over 70. I am trying to get my Dad to stick to it and while he's not perfect he's doing pretty well 😁😉👍 Id love to hear what you think of it and if you decide to try it (and I have no affiliation with Valter Longo, I just find his work fascinating and very credible!)Kind regards, Mary 😊(from Australia)😎
@@sextoncardew903 and PS. I was saying well done for being 85 and in good health, and especially living through the war years 🙏👍 Valter's Longevity diet is mostly vegan with a little fish 👌😉
@@ethicsexistentialism4191 Thank you. I will seriously look at it.
My father is 95 and been eating beans all his life. He eats beans for dinner 5 to 6 times a week and he is in perfect health.
That is great! Thank you!
That's great, but a sample size of "1" means nothing. George Burns smoked into old age, for instance. There are always outliers. It's important for people to understand that.
Ama call him Mr. Beans
How blessed you are to still have your 95 year old father in perfect health. God bless him.😊
Hey, pull my finger.
My rule..Whole foods, plant based, no oil. I like the gbombs and I like the starches...I eat them.
We sound alike there!
Sounds like a Good and Easy rule to follow😊
... yup, HCLF.
whats a gbomb ?
@@kurtsbills185 foodrevolution.org/blog/gbombs-healthiest-foods/
I just want to thank you for putting Dr Fuhrman back on my radar. I love the changes I’ve made, love the simplicity of the G-BOMBS 🌱
Totally agree, I love being able to take sound advice and mold it into exactly what works for me while still knowing it’s totally healthy!
Awesome! Thank you! Great info!
What's G-BOMBS? I have not heard of that, yet. Or, I forgot it.
@@arlettasloan6453 Greens Beans Mushrooms Berries Seeds. It’s what dr Fuhrman says you should eat everyday
I am from Sardinia. We don't eat meat or dairy where I live. It was a poor section. So legumes, greens, and fruit is what we've aways ate. We eat bread and pasta also. We use olive oil also. We live well over 100.
Wow!
That’s my kind of eating!
I love your very common sense approach. I agree it has to be sustainable for the long term and we each have to figure out what works best for us.
Thank you!!
I make a big batch of savory beans once a week, canned beans with bell peppers, onion, garlic, greens, whatever, and lots of spices. I spoon them on top of whatever potatoes I have on hand - white or sweet. I also batch cook potatoes. Then I make a lovely nut/seed-based sauce, once or twice a week. I pile greens on top of beans on top of potatoes and drizzle with sauce, maybe sprinkle with minced red onion and cooked mushrooms (which I also batch cook once a week). Preparation is the key! Find some recipes you like, batch cook, be prepared.
Sounds like you have a very successful method in place. Awesome!
I do the same and it works really well. I love always having a big variety of good, wholesome, home cooked food to eat depending on what I'm in the mood for. I don't buy anything in metal cans anymore bc of the health reasons... batch cooking allows me to control what seasonings are in my food, there's no metals or plastics leaching into my food, it's way cheaper and I just feel everything is yummier when its homemade.
I'm right on with You! I do the same exact thing. I do both and they both work for me!
Love this idea. Frozen veggies may be healthier than store bought (not knowing how long they've been traveling to and fro). Sounds like good crap. Lol.
Preparing is key😊
Sustainability is everything! Eat the diet you can eat for the rest of your life that both makes you happy & keeps you HEALTHY. 🌱🥦
The big key to not going overboard on healthy fats (nuts, seeds etc.) is to add them to your meals and not have them as snacks. Making *complete* meals and only eating when that *whole meal* is prepared is really the trick to making everything click.
Sounds very reasonable to me! Thank you!!
Yes that's great as a rule and I love your suggestion but some people aren't able to even have nuts in the house, even if they're raw, unsalted, because they'd be eating them by the handfuls.
Yes it is definitely not something everyone can do. Might help some but not others.
Akuma, long time man. I use the same technique of only eating the nuts and seeds as part of a meal, typically alongside beans and greens as a designated NutraTarain meal. Are you still Shredded?
Dude.what? not to eat nuts and seeds as snacks.....huh? I eat walnuts, almonds sunflower seeds and much more as snacks and I assure you I couldn't be healthier. I am slim extremely health below 150 cholesterol and more. You are wrong about not eating them as snacks
You can do both diets at the same time...
In the Starch Solution by John McDougall the basis of the diet is eating:
1. Half a plate of non-starchy vegetables.
2. Half a plate of starchy foods from tubers like potatoes and sweet potatoes, from legumes and beans and/or from whole grains.
And fruit as dessert...eating nuts infrequently.
In Joel Fuhrman's nutritarian diet he recommends...
1. 2 pounds of vegetables, half cooked and half raw including greens and mushrooms.
2. 1-2 cups of beans
And a variety of other foods in his GBOMBS - greens, beans, onions, mushorooms, berries, nuts and seeds
Furhman's diet recommends
30%-60% of calories from vegetables (those vegetables can include sweet potatoes)
10%-40% of calories from fruit
10%-40% of calories from beans and legumes
20% or less of calories from whole grains and/or potatoes.
10%-40% of calories from seeds, nuts and/or avocados.
So you could definitely follow a McDougall diet if you were following Fuhrman's nutritarian diet because McDougall classifies beans and legumes as a starch source. The only difference would be actively eating nuts and seeds as at least 10% of calories instead of eating them sporadically. To put that in context that's ensuring you eat around 7 walnuts a day on a 2,000 calorie diet.
eg. half a plate of non starchy vegetables including some greens, mushrooms and raw onion
10%-30% of calories from sweet potato
20%-40% of calories from beans and legumes
20% of calories from potatoes
fruit as dessert (10%-40% of calories) including some berries like blueberries or strawberries
10% of calories as nuts and seeds eg 7 whole walnuts a day.
Which is the best program for losing weight
We’ll done❤
This is very well said. I find it so much easier to eat a starch-based diet. But I do eat a fairly decent amount of non-starchy vegetables and fruits. I just feel so great on a starchitarian diet. Perpetually satisfied and content, full of energy, I have excellent bloodwork and everything is perfectly in range, and it's so easy to maintain a trim figure even though I'm eating giant platefuls of food.
What a sensible speech! "Do what you can and dont overdo it!"
Thank you!!
You do exactly what I do. I take the best and most practical points from both guys and it makes life a lot simpler. Thanks bro for the video! 😃
Thank you!!
I love your point about longevity. Why live your life overwhelmed by thoughts of nutrients when u can live a long and healthy life in a much more relaxed way. It’s Starch solution all the way for me.
Beautiful perfect thank you, Niamh
Can it not be the best of both worlds, that is fuhrman and McDougal? I like both. I also like the fuhrman 90% rule were he even allows a little meat/dairy. But that might be my confirmation bias because I am not a big fan of supplements and if I can have a little meat instead of vit b supplements then that suits me better.
@@youngkevinsmith I have to say: I used to love meat, so this would be a HUGE NO for me. And if you're in it for your love of animals and not just for your health, all the more reason to refuse any animal products.
Your video is going on my Watch Later list forever. I think my confusion/guilt between the McDougall and Fuhrman plans have actually prevented me from jumping the fence completely into a sustainable eating plan. I find myself reading and listening to these two doctors and feeling a bit overwhelmed, particularly with Fuhrman’s precise recommendations. Thank you a million for your common sense approach and helpful support! Amazing presentation. Thank you so much💕👍
You’re not alone in feeling overwhelmed by all the little differences. Sometimes we just have to take a step back and look at the big picture.
I think sometimes, we unconsciously take all these little differences and use them as an excuse for throwing up our hands and saying none of it works. Sheesh, try one approach if you need to, see how it works/how you feel, then try the other. Either one is better than the SAD.
And I’m primarily an Esselstyn person but need some nuts (he oks if not a heart disease patient) & starches but I know I can OD on potatoes in a blink! While I’m put off my Fuhrman’s manner a LOT, I think he knows his science. (Tho he seems to defer to Esselstyn when they are together) Net result-I’m corn 🌽fused…never feel I’m doing it right, especially cause am allergic to onions, most beans, & soy! I’d love to know with whom I can talk who can clarify & simplify for me!???
Wow... I feel so much better after listening to your take on all this. Even if it is over two years old at this time, it speaks to me right where I am today. Thank you so much. I feel as if a little weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I can go forward with more confidence about what I can do and what I just don't wanna..! I am 75 and in good health but can't (or won't) spend my day standing in the kitchen... It is a bit draining and I have so many more equally creative things calling to me that I want to do. Yay!!!! Love ya...
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Just eat a variety of wholes foods that you can afford 👍 that's my tip 😜🤓
Great tip! Thank you!
Love watching you. I follow Dr Michael Greger’s Daily Dozen. Easy to follow and super healthy.
I've changed from SAD to vegan and have combined that with intermittent fasting. Both changes have been earth shattering healthy for me.
I found Eat to Live 7 years ago and it was all I knew. I adopted his plan and it became habit so it isn’t hard. Also I really don’t think being aware of a few of the major health benefits of various classes of foods (GBOMBS) is reductionist. In other words there is no conflict with the synergistic effects of whole plant foods for health. It’s really a point of emphasis. Getting more of the foods with higher nutrient density and lower caloric density. I guess this information does impact me because I would tend to overdo on starch and displace the more nutritious veggies and fruits. They are more addictive for me. I’m not doing this for some long term longevity goals. I really notice that I feel lighter and more energized when eating more of those high nutrient/ lower calorie foods. But of course everyone needs to do what works for them. I do include nuts, seeds and avocados for example and those are not addictive for me, nor do they cause weight gain. I’m just putting this out there in case someone wants to try the nutritarian approach. It has been incredible for me. I reversed high cholesterol, high blood pressure and pre-diabetes plus lost over 60 pounds. I transformed in 9 months time and have sustained it over 7 years. I think it is a fun way to eat and live.
OMG... this is my first introduction to you. You are the male version of me! I love that you are so pragmatic: what am I really willing to do? It is so easy to let perfection get in the way of progress, as they say. If you're eating plants, and not processed vegan stuff, you are 99% of the way there.
I had to return to this rant because my sister called me yesterday to tell me she was doing Dr. Fuhrmans 6 week program from his book. I've been wfpb for almost 4 years, mostly following the Starch Solution, but just basically eating starches and veg and frut I like. I started listening to Dr. Fuhrmans daughters podcast with him, and after 2 episodes, I had my mind blown with the over abundnace of information, and the hacks he has to make things healthier, which honestly, make me crazy, and makes me feel for the moment, like I'm not doing it right!!!!! UGH, I like your simple approach Dylan, and Furhman definitely doesn't promote ease in my opinion. You are so right in attaching Dr. Lisle's idea of don't major in minor things in this instance. I am so glad Furhmans plan works for some people, it's certainly not hurting them! But, I feel like all these methods and plans are like religions, it's good to have some in your life, and to take parts that work for you from all of them. I have never agreed with someone as much as I do in this rant! I hate when someone sidelines me with something I haven't done! Thanks for making me feel better about my diet!
Happy it helps! Thanks for the super nice comment. 🥰
Having cruciferous vegetables in high amounts daily is important for me, vs all the starch. The nutrients in them keeps my autoimmune diseases in check and my numbers normal. I’m also reversing a lifetime of bad nutrition, so for some of us, nutritarian foods work better and are worth the effort. Otherwise I don’t have the energy I need for my life. Wish I could afford to just be simple 😊
I agree with your thinking 100%, My philosophy is I don't want to, nor can I, live forever. I'm not afraid to die, but I don't want to LIVE a life worse than death. So, I eat as healthy as I can. Do I fall off the wagon occasionally, yes. But, I don't stay there. I hop right back on. Find the best, healthiest diet possible with foods that you love and continue doing that for the rest of your healthy life.
Beautiful!!! Yes!!!
I agree 💯! I utilize both. I stay away from nuts because I can't stop at 1oz. Sometimes I want potatoes, sometimes I want beans. Snacking what gets me in trouble so I don't do it!
This was really helpful! I’ve been trying to eat starch solution for a while, and it’s been difficult because I’m a type 1 diabetic and I find that the white potatoes hit me hard. Harder than beans or sweet potatoes. (Also, I realize I’m in the minority here, but I don’t really like white potatoes unless they have fat on them. Don’t come for me please😉). You bring up a great point, instead of trying to follow one doctor perfectly, I should eat what I like and what works! Eat beans, whole grains, and sweet potatoes and don’t worry about it.
Your comment is from a year ago, but I had the same problem of having white potatoes cause a blood sugar spike for me. I could only eat them by putting them in a soup and adding some beans and veggies. I tried a vegan broccoli/potato soup but I ended up craving sugar so much that I never made it again (but I probably could have done better if I added beans)
I'm half way between the two. I understand the importance of greens, seeds and fruits/berries. At the same time I appreciate starch/beans and see them as the foundation of my diet and as a simple, cheap, fast way of eating. Dr. Fuhrman tends to overcomplicate things.
Do your best and I think you will thrive!
You are absolutely right and made so much sense. I think it would help so many people if the Doctors you referred to supported each other’s approach. When Dr Fuhrman compared his diet to McDougall’s I immediately thought of a saying I have heard many times throughout my life and that is, it’s OK if you sing in a high voice and I sing in a low voice as long as we’re singing from the same song sheet. When I listened to Dr Fuhrman I thought it’s dangerous for these very influential Doctors to sing very different songs. They need to tweak a few lyrics but sing the same song otherwise it all becomes too confusing and people lose confidence, when all they really need to is ditch the rubbish and eat more healthily. Imagine how strong these Drs would be if they all formed one choir singing in harmony to the world. I am looking to improve my diet and regularly juice, enjoy a starch based approach to cooking but I still occasionally eat meat and I love a coffee and a gin and tonic! However, I seem to have acquired dozens of very expensive books over the last few months which as you say confirm pretty much the same message while appearing a little contradictory. I think this is dangerous because it confuses people, nuts and seeds are a prime example. Your last question in the Fuhrman interview was spot on. TH-cam has been inspirational for me and yourself, the Krocks in the kitchen, the brand new vegan and many others are doing a fantastic job. So a huge thank you for the fantastic work you’re doing and apologies for the very long comment. I wonder if anyone ever reads it! 😂
I am following Dr. McDougall's plan. Easy for me. By the way, thanks for posting the 'cheeze sauce' recipe. It will be a staple in my fridge. Love your channel.
Thank you!!
I love how blunt, honest and straight to the point you are. Human nature is to energy conserve, and that is my ultimate goal while eating optimally. Glad I found your page.
“Drop dead 💀 peacefully ✌🏼 at the end of it all”. 😆 One of the best ways of putting it yet 😆
#goals
Drop dead is not nice for people who find or are with U...die in your sleep is slightly less messy ..my dad did
Thank you for you’re words of encouragement. Transitioning is hard enough, I do think for me Dr. McDougals program has been the easiest.
Wow! Thank you for answering every single question and worry I had in an 18.41-minute video! You are my hero!
I’m glad you thought it helped! Thank you
Yes, please do the micro greens educational videos!!! Thanks, WYW
My pleasure. I will do that for sure! Thanks for the support!
You are so real and straightforward! Thank you. I have tried plant based before and failed. I am ready to give it another go. Your suggestions make me feel optimistic that I can do this.
I follow a whole food plant based diet which combines points from both Nutritarian and Starch based. If you are concerned about the glycemic index of white potatoes there are some tricks to help lower the index. Eat at least a half cup of beans daily, keep the potato chilled before cooking, and eat the skin of the potato. These factors help to lower the index. Good health to you all!
WOW! THANK YOU for bringing my attention back to the big picture! Trying to stay educated and on top of all the plant-based information out there is key to remaining committed for me, but the downside of listening and reading all that is that I can get caught up in the details of all the different approaches and beliefs. Trying to figure out which “guy” is RIGHT, makes me just lose sight of the bigger picture. What I basically got from this is, eat more greens and then eat the whole plant foods that work best for YOU. I needed this reminder ..... so thanks!
Glad to hear it helped you, thank you!!
Love you back as our mentor. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on two doctors I greatly respect, as you do. Your balanced perspective is positive and constructive. It makes sense to me.
Thanks for the kindness! XO
Such excellent advice. I have listened to Fuhrman, Mcdougall and Chef AJ and take all their recommendations in to account. I eat totally plant based whole foods and feel fantastic, so full of energy . I have easily eliminated all meats, fish ,dairy, oils and sugar and really it is a breeze. Can’t recommend it enough and that is now my lifestyle without another thought .🙂
Glad to hear it! Thank you!
I’m so glad I came across this video. So well reasoned!
Thank you! I am glad too!
I'm doing some McDougall and some Fhurman. I eat mashed sweet potatoes and beans and that's about it for the starch, then I eat vegetables the rest of the time. No nuts, no meat and no dairy. I take a B12 supplement and one Garden of Life Organic Vit & Mineral. I also do Intermittent Fasting 16/8. Good video!
Sounds like you are doing well. Thank you!!
This is the absolute most no nonsense channel ever. Love it. Thank you dude.
I didn't like this video....I LOVED it!!! I watch all of your videos (except the live ones....my archaic browser doesn't support live video) but this is definitely one of my favorites. You address the issues that I have mentally wrestled with for a long time, having followed the work of these same doctors over the years. I think the overall benefits of plant based eating often gets lost in the rigid adherence to a particular plan of a particular doctor. The general precepts are basically the same and if followed in a comfortable and sustainable way, as you articulated it so well, the benefits to the environment, the animals, and your health will inevitably follow.
Beautiful write up! ❤️❤️ you’re always so good to me! Thank you for the support always!
I was about to leave a comment, but when I read this I thought, well, this is exactly what I was thinking but much more articulate, so let me just say... I couldn't agree more.😊❤️
Excellent, cannot agree more!
Very balanced and practical. The general thrust of your diet is the main thing which is plant based and low fat. It may be that these disputes between doctors who essentially promote the same thing is good for public attention but the more important point is that both approaches are infinitely better than paleo or animal product diets.
This video was exactly what I needed. I was coming to the same conclusions you have! Its like you read my mind!
We make a lot of sense ha ha 💪
I did dr. McDougalls and Furhman. My body takes well to Dr. Furhmans way of eating. I think it depends how the persons body and their preference. I lose weight on Furhmans and I feel amazing.
The way I found works best for me is to add frozen greens to my meals. So when you are heating up your beans on the stove, throw some frozen greens in. After your starch blaster is done, throw some frozen greens in. Every little bit helps :)
For me the nutritarian diet leaves me feeling hungry. I have to have my starch! But with the amount of plant foods I'm eating, I'm getting all the nutrients I need :)
Great advice on the greens Laura!! Thank you!
I only eat frozen stuff I made myself. I think the food always tastes yucky and feeezer-burnt unless it's all mine that I made.
The strict nutritarian way is low starch and is more for weight loss. But he does have a section iirc were some people can eat more starch than others. Even a little olive oil also. And as is stated here fuhrman and McDougal are more similar than not. It would great to see them talk about some of these subjects!
Excellent review of both diets and I agree that whatever eating plan, or combo of eating plans you choose to follow, it must be sustainable.
Good video! I agree that you need to do what is sustainable! Thank you for you honest opinion,it is good to hear!
Thank you, I appreciate that! 🙂
So good to hear you discuss this.
I feel the same way about potatoes too.
So I'm not the only one who can't stop at one handful of nuts either, I'm thinking of crushing them and sprinkling a little on my breakfast along with my flax. Maybe that would work. Thank you for the video. Do you ever do live chats ?
Yes join us in the well your world facebook group. I have not done any youtube live videos yet. I'm sure I will in the near future...
Have you tried raw unsalted?
Great video, I can tell you from experience that both of these diets work well. Dr. Fuhrman’s does allow you to eat a lot more as it’s not centered around tubers and starches. Yeah he adds beans and does say that you can eat potatoes as well. To put this in perspective I placed myself on a 1600 calorie a day diet. I couldn’t eat more than 1200 to 1300 calories a day. I would eat an apple and a banana for breakfast, 200 calories. A pound of greens for lunch 100 calories with another pound combined of cucumber 🥒 corn 🌽 celery, carrots🥕 onions 🧅 mushrooms 🍄 a ounce of nuts totaling 300 calories. My total thus far is 500. For dinner I would add a can of bean at 350 calories and a can of Amy’s soup and oftentimes I would add a can of Amy’s organic soup 🍲 adding another 200 to 300 calories for a daily total of 1000 to 1100 calories and I was full all day long and couldn’t eat a drop more. Sometimes I would eat a potato white in the evening with the soup but I could never consume more than around 1200 calories and the weight just melted off. Again both diets are solid but Dr. Fuhrmans is healthier. This is just my opinion
You have articulated my thoughts as I have followed many of the doctor's for about a year now. The most thoughtful summary I have heard to date. Thanks!
To get more fruits in your diet batch cook some steel cut oats then get frozen berries put a cup to cup and a half in a bowl with a 1/2 banana. Let them sit for 20 minutes. Then heat your oatmeal and pour over the fruit. Add hemp heart chia seeds and flaxseed. Best breakfast ever
Also figuring out what works best. Just making it “simple” for myself. As long as I cut out all/most processed foods, cut out all animal products, dairy and most oils, I think that works best for me. I definitely keep GBOMBS in my mind daily to ensure I’m getting what my body needs, but eating starch like various potatoes to fill me up definitely makes this sustainable so I don’t feel like I’m being deprived. (Just limiting nuts and seeds right now so that I can lose weight easier).
Excellent pragmatic summation of the various plant diets. I know I will never achieve a 100% perfect diet, i.e I have just enough oil and sugar, as I can get away with to make plant-based foods palatable to me. These little cheats mean I stick with the diet. If I can achieve 90% or 95% perfection that's good enough for me. This works for me.
Yes!! Thank you!
My idea for eating nuts and seeds would be to make nut/seed based dressing or sprinkle some onto your daily salad. For me that would be an easy way to not get crazy with the nuts/seeds.
Great video. First of yours I've watched as well!! I completely agree with all you say. I mostly follow Dr McDougall's diet because it suits me perfectly. I want to be a healthy vegan and I need to loose some weight but I do not want to ever feel hungry. Dr F's diet is also great but too complicated for me to follow to the T as I'm also feeding two kids and a non vegan husband (he only eats the vegan food if it's tasty) Anyway, this was a tonic! To hear someone use common sense and diffuse all the stress we seem to generate out of simply eating real food, thank you :)
Aw thank you very much! Glad to hear you agree!
I like both views. I actually feel better without nuts and seeds. But Furhmans focus on greens and beans is awesome imo. Thanks
As a plant based person our food choices are as close to the ethnicity and culture of our family roots France and Mediterranean which include nuts and regional grains.
Even when we have eaten plant based American, German British fare we gain weight and just don't feel well. Eating is also a communal activity where we sit savour our food and love the preparation.
It’s definitely in our blood to be social with our food
Dillon, you've hit the nail on the head when it comes to my thought process as well. I like salad, but it's sooo time consuming to make, unless everything is pre-prepped. So, if I'm not "in the mood" or on a time constraint, I'm going to go grab something quick to eat, weather that's a Larabar or a bowl of granola.
Right now, with my chronic health issues, having the energy to prep and cook meals, is sketchy, so I do the best I can in that moment. Canned or frozen food items that you can just heat and serve...like beans, really helps!!
Great explanation of things in this video.
Word brother!! I feel like this when weighing up starch vs fruit too. Go starch, it’s easier, cheaper, more satisfying and overall far more sustainable!
Thank you! Keep it up!
We managed many years before we had the ability to make bread. Not long could we live without fruit...
It seems like I'm doing kind of a hybrid. I'm not afraid of starch or even bread, but because of Fuhrman's observations I've started doing some things like combining greens with my beans and throwing raw onion on as garnish. I never took nuts and seeds out, but don't eat them as a snack as much as a garnish. I gravitate toward stir fry and rice and beans but when I'm with my wife she wants potatoes so I go that way. I eat a ton of fruit too, mostly bananas,, which I'm not sure fits into either
I like and admire both, but I think the starch based "diet" is easier to follow long term. Btw, my insulin sensitivity drops when I eat lots of nuts and avocados (that's why I ended my vegan keto + fasting diet).
Just a note to say that my insulin sensitivity is no longer. My doc/np said, after my last blood tests, that she can see nothing that indicates anything that might lead to diabetes. Yay!
that's great. It is important to understand the mechanism(s) of insulin resistance as early as possible.
I'm diabetic also. Do you eat white potatoes & white rice?
Michelle, I'm not diabetic. Consult with your doctor.
I agree with you so much. It has taken me a lot of years to get where I am…eating WFPB/no SOS. I had a hard time letting go of salt and sugar. I think we each have preferences that can get us to a much healthier place we can sustain and I think that’s what we all have to do. I’m happy, feel healthy and my upcoming doctor’s visit will tell if I’m successful. Thank you for your insights! 🌻
Hi Joy. Since I’m kind of late to this video, I was wondering how your doctor visit went? I’m expecting great results. 🤞
@@lynns7262 Hey Lynn, my results were great. I was able to cut one of my blood pressure medicines in half. I still fall back into the sugar trap from time to time but I keep trying. Congrats to you!
@@joywhitley3141 Congratulations!!
@@lynns7262 Thanks!
Thanks for this. ENJOYED THIS INFORMATION. Very real !!
Thank you!
Your exactly right I just transitioned to plant based and been on nutritarian for a few days, shredded 10 pounds in a few days, but yes it’s not sustainable so I’m of your opinion- great video
Good sense in your video.... thanks for sharing your take on this small differences.
Thank you!
Nothing beats potatoes and beans. There’re so many ways to combine’em: vegetables and beans, vegetables and potatoes, vegetables and beans and potatoes, zucchini and potatoes, zucchini and beans, broccoli and potatoes, broccoli and beans, purple cabbage and potatoes, purple cabbage and beans, brussel sprouts and beans, brussel sprouts and potatoes, etc., etc., etc.
See? Endless possibilities 🤗
Oh I liked this breakdown and I totally agree. Great job!
Many thanks! ✊️
I was 145 pounds 6 feet tall at 22. At 215 pounds with asthma, arthritis, hemorrhoids, diverticulitis, no energy. Went on Mcdougall diet initially was 166 pounds now at 175 feel much better. Thanks for your personal insights... It makes it make sense. You are an inspiration for us! Bless you Dillon and keep it up!
finally found someone with common sense, thanks.
I appreciate that!
Amen!
I love The starch solution, I love beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, rice or brown rice.... for me is the best
what beans is the best for you?
I have read both Drs books and followed both food plans at different times.. They are both right. I will say Dr McDougal is WAY easier and WAY WAY WAY cheaper
You don't need as much food by a long shot if the quality is there. You'll be shocked.
You can use head lettuce to dilute the more expensive stuff. Go to Aldi's, stay out of Whole Foods for the most part.
I've lost weight doing both of these plans. I tend to stick with DrF's plan with a little more organic potato/bread because I feel better mentally with some healthy fats (nuts, seeds, avocados) in my diet. I also try to buy organic whenever possible...especially ww breads/flours/oats...too many chemicals being sprayed on our crops these days.
I eat all the nuts, and then I go eat the seeds outta bird feeder 😂.... can't have nuts at all in the house.... ♡
LOL!!
Ah..hahahaha..good one!
I absolutely love your philosophy! I totally agree that we each need to do what works best for us.
Couldn't have said it better. Well done. To follow either of these guys or creating a combination of both, will still mean you will be healthier than 99% of the population.
I totally agree on the salad chore.
It’s real but we will get there.
Wash it all and cut it all up and cook it at once. Use it as meditation time or family time with everyone helping.
Some things are ok with being frozen, too.
i like your approach and understanding, you show common sense which isn't very common, thank you for sharing
Buy the greens already prepped and mix them with the beans. It's easier.
Thank you so much for sharing all that awesome INFORMATION AND TIME AND IDEAS for someone like me WHO is New to the PLANT BASE WAY OF LIFE
After 3 years doing McDougall with cravings & binging I have switched to Fuhrman .I need fat & beans to stay satisfied.. I have given up potatoes too..my cravings are completely gone.
Great to hear that it’s working for you. Only you can decide what’s best. 💪✊️
I have the exact same experience with potatoes. I stayed hungry when eating potatoes and ate too little fat on the Starch diet. Now with more nuts and seeds and a lot of beans (didn't ate them at all before) I finally begin to lose weight, dropped my BP in two weeks from 140/80 to 115/70. My cholesterol went down too. I'm more satisfied, don't need to eat in between snacks anymore, don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore because of a hungry growling stomach. All gone now. I'm glad I transitioned from Starch to Nutritarian.
Mirella van Es ..that's great!!🙌
Peter Rabitt .....It's like magic! You were right!
A good mix of Fuhrman and Greger pretty much covers all bases. Healthy Crazy Cool is also a great channel for ideas... just throwing that out there.
Best video on this subject I’ve seen, thanks for the tip on no starchy veggies before starch
Search for my calorie density video too. Thank you!
Top video☺ As long as you don't eat animal food and oil it is the best Start ❤
Totally, thank you!
Well said video. Echos a lot of my sentiments.
As a plant based eater who has to travel the world I can tell you it is much much easier to communicate to people( with english as a second or third language) and restaurants a meal based on potatoes and rice and beans. These are the staples that keep you going day after day and week after week. From the poorest to the richest countries, these are everywhere. Greens and such are rare and not everybody has them and you have to take the fruits and veggies that are prevalent to that region. So while I respect Dr. Fuhrman for the help that he has given to so many and the expertise that he brings to the table, I will always be a Mcdougaller.
Thank you very much Dillion, You make things so simple. Simple common sense, what you said is so true.
Heck yes! Have been waiting for this!
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My newest hack is a huge raw salad then use canned beans as a base of a dressing. Put some beans, soaked nuts, water with various spices and apple cider vinegar in a blender. This makes a great substantial and savory dressing which make the huge salad absolutely mouthwateringly amazing…
That's an awesome idea, thanks for sharing!
17:31 "Don't allow your diet rules to get so specific that it stops you from sustaining a health-promoting diet."
Thank you Dylan...great recap! And I agree...simple and sustainable is what will work long term.😊
Nice intro. Organized. Makes sense. I’m of same mindset.
Thank you!
Your comments are exactly how I feel and how I eat!
I appreciate that!!
I like the starch-based diet so much that I kept thinking that it had to be bad, especially when you listen to folks like Fuhrman. However, like you, I need to incorporate more greens. I'm just not the salad type so I throw spinach into my smoothies or mix it up with a bowl of veggies, including potatoes.
Thanks Dillon for this video!!!! This makes it more clear to me to not worry so much about exactly which doctor to follow. I'm going to follow what is best for me and my body which is a combo of all of the doctors that I respect so much.
Sounds great! Thank you!
Great analysis
Thank you!!!
Great explanation of starch based vs. nutritarian vegan diets. I was intrigued that Dr. Fuhrman stated he doesn't eat before working out or playing tennis. When I was eating the SAD way if I didn't eat something before exercise I would feel dizzy and sick. Now that I eat an exclusive WFPB diet emphasizing starch I can exercise and not eat anything, just drink water, until hungry. So I am guessing what I was feeling was toxic hunger. Also, now hunger is no big deal and it is not an emergency. I can wait to eat without feeling yucky.
Nailed it!!! 😊
I have tried all the different ways of plant based eating and now I have settled on Dr McDougalls because it is what works best for me, I love potatos and they always keep me feeling full along with other starches such as oats, brown rice and beans. Dr Fuhrman's way of eating leaves me feeling hungry, I'm not a big salad eater, I would rather eat cooked greens and fresh fruit with my starches.
Thanks for your input!
You're so right. Coming off the Standard American Diet as a family I find it the most difficult for my young kids. My kids wanna eat what they used to eat & it's difficult when family feed it to them whenever they're together. I try to make the old food with a healthy twist. I see other vegan/veg parents killing it, but on my budget I try to go all in but I know I can do better in areas.
Just take your time and be patient. The kids will be fine. Teach them the ideas about why you’re making this change and they will WANT to follow you as they mature. Do your best of course to keep the bad food away but don’t lose your mind fighting it. Peace and love.
Well Your World, thanks brother. I appreciate your kind & motivating reply. You're absolutely right. Gonna keep fighting the good fight against drive thrus & processed garbage.
Fuhrman spent 10 minutes talking about how great nuts and seeds were but his first error was saying that all the known centenarian populations had high nut intake. The Okinawan's who are the best example for many reasons have very high omega 3 to 6 ratios and longevity. Guess what? They hardly eat any nuts. According to a 1950 summary they eat got LESS than 1% of calories from nuts. If you follow Fuhrman's advice and eat 2 ounces of nuts a day you end up with 300 calories from nuts which would be a full TWENTY percent of calories from nuts alone...compared to ONE for the Okinawans. I don't know about you, but realistically for me nuts are so addictive and easy to overeat that I could easily eat a diet with 60% of calories from nuts. Fuhrman was right that moderate calorie restriction improves health and longevity. The Okinawans averaged about 1800 calories a day. I can barely fit that much in so it is impossible to overeat. Of course, it is interesting to ponder than rice, corn, wheat are all seeds, right, and like McDougall points out many civilizations have grown on these grains. Yet, the Okinawans are maybe "nutritarian" because they got 69% of their calories form sweet potatoes and 11% from grains which adds up to 80% of calories from starchy grains and vegetables, AND their total fat intake was only 6% of calories which is way down from Fuhrman's suggestion. Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, the ONLY cardiac doctor to have proven results in his study of reversing heart disease recommends against nuts too so if you are interested in clearing you cardio system of plaque you should go with Dr. E and McDougall most definitely.
I thought Dr. Ornish had proven results also with heart disease. Dr. Esselstyn quotes him. Anyway, it looks like you had a good time today splitting hairs.
Nice post. One thing that's not mentioned enough about the Okinawan diet is the high intake of greens...sweet potato leaves in particular. They also ate a lot of bitter melon...a low glycemic, low calorie vegetable. One of the problems with looking at the calories or weight in a diet is that greens have very little weight and very low calories.
Growing food in the tropics I always have a good laugh at the Okinawan diet because everything they're eating is just what grows easily in a tropical climate. So if you live in the tropics grow all of your own food and you'd end up pretty close. Sweet potatoes grow like weeds and to get maximum sized tubers you should cut the vines when they get longer than 1 metre (which happens really fast). By the time you harvest the sweet potato at 4-6 months you will have harvested a huge volume of vines and leaves both of which are edible.
The staple of the Okinawan diet is a sweet potato with deep purple flesh which is not easy to come by. I have 4 different varieties, all different colour profiles and I've been growing them years and still haven't found one with deep purple flesh.
There is a hell of a lot of overlap between the various schools - I go WFPB with no SOS and mix and match and like a lot of people - go to the kitchen and make what I fancy.
I do experiment and some get incorporated into my eating ideas and some we mark down to experience.
LMAO "drop dead peacefully at the end of it all"
damn right 😁