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- It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it! Number 2 drivers get the rough end of the stick in F1 and don't get the respect they deserve. The toll it can take on a driver can be enormous and can either wreck careers or put them on an upward trajectory. Following team orders and doing a job for the team to benefit the other driver is a big ask but the question is who can do it and why? So then, What's the deal with number 2 drivers??
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Do you believe in having a Driver 1 & 2 system?
It really seems to be the best way to run a team these days. Maybe if the top teams were open from the get-go about the situation with the second driver, it would be better. But then, in the present day with all of social media and people being so fixated on the personality of the drivers, it would do the 2nd driver a lot of harm in terms of brand image and also in terms of career after F1.
Times are changing as drivers have their brands to look after!
I do because it's so obvious in pretty much all teams that there is a driver 1 who they chose to focus on and priorities more (ig: Max, Lewis, Lando, Charles, Pierre ect..) I don't think there is anything wrong as such with that, but I do feel bad for when it's situations like Bottas in Merc because he went years behind Lewis and I can imagine it's quite taxing on the mental health and ego
@@gauravrudramalik5869 Not exactly a "modern" phenomenom... my memories go back to the late 70s, when Gilles Villeneuve was the designated #2, first to Carlos Reutemann and then Jody Scheckter... when Gilles thought it was his turn finally, he had another thing coming, but that's a different and rather tragic story.
Yes, but the right balance is important. If your number 2 isn't good enough you end up effectively with a one driver team. That's fine if you're red bull this year, but in 2021 or last season if Ferrari didn't implode it would've been a problem.
Neither Barichello nor Bottas knew they would be nr. 2 drivers the moment they were signed. Barichello stated many times they didn’t discuss this before they signed, and that he came as an equal driver, and Bottas moved to Mercedes after Rosberg beat Hamilton, so at the precised moment when it was proved that it can be done.
The problem with no 2 drivers is:
1. They never came in F1 to be no 2. You absolutely need to have a rock-solid belief that you are no 1 otherwise you will never get into F1 to begin with.
2. Once they become a no 2 driver they become delusive, which sets them up for failure. Both their self-belief system and social environment create an unbearable pressure for them that they should be no 1. If anything, this pressure negatively impacts their performance and thus confirms even more that they are no 2 only.
As a result, no 2 drivers often become a mental wreck. Both Bottas and Perez have been known to rely on psychologists to get them through their no 2 driver period.
And when Michael's broke his leg in Silverstone '99, Eddie was good enough to almost bring the title home.
Oh I know, Eddie was absolutely robbed that year!
Finally someone explicitly said that modern drivers grew up wealthy and likely haven’t faced much adversity. As a working class person it always makes me laugh and be cynical when you hear a driver saying they didn’t grow up wealthy when their parents funded massive portions of their multi million dollar karting/jr careers!!! Like come on man🤣🤣🤣
Being a no2 driver can work quite well for someone at the right stage of their career. Eg. A young driver who wants to build their experience with a view to becoming a title contender (Russell) or a journeyman who wants an opportunity to win races in a top team (Perez).
You never start as a number 2. But if you get dominated then yes, you will become a number 2 driver. Because overall you wont be good enough to be consistent enough over a season.
It was a pleasure you bringing up Eddie Irvine who I always admired for his chutzpah about life. He used to berate drivers for being glum and boring back then, can only imagine now.
"Being in the same team as Michael Schumacher is like being hit over the head with a cricket bat, four days in a row." - EI
He also said, if you are at a restaurant with the most beautiful woman in the world, the girl on the next table always looks better.
Glad you enjoyed!
Okay you definitely cooked with this one pal. Great job with the recent uploads 👏
Thanks very much, appreciate that!
I think the thing is nobody reaches the level of F1 striving to be the best #2 driver on a team and getting second place in the driver’s championship at best. And even if they have to swallow their pride one year, their drive to top the podium more than any other and win the championship for themselves remains at their core.
But for many number 2s they can at least feel useful to the team. Without them maybe the #1 doesn’t win the championship. Without them their team doesn’t with the constructors.
This is where I can see Sergio Perez having an awful year mentally at Red Bull. He looked like a challenger and it started unraveling. Verstappen hasn’t needed Perez. Red Bull hasn’t needed Perez. Verstappen has single handedly gained enough points to secure the constructors championship and he was miles ahead of Checo. And every time Perez missed Q3 or failed to finish on the podium it was a reminder that how wide the skill gap is to Verstappen. Every other driver on the grid can ease their ego and say it’s the car. The RB is too fast. But Checo doesn’t have that luxury. Yeah he’s also had some very bad luck this season too, but that could only add fuel to the fire burning away at him.
I don’t envy any driver in the shadow of their teammate.
Excellent Video once again bud! I think the recent era has built the expectation from drivers to be ruthless and be in it for themselves. There's just no number 2's out there anymore in mentality anymore.
Cheers man, definitely a dying breed
Even drivers like yuki have in their mind that they are the best or one of the greatest drivers. Once you don't believe you are the best, then your physiology is definitely going to suffer. I am sure all the build-up pressure got to him after he lost the miami race.
He is starting to get his grove. His confidence is still not all there, though. He should have beat Leclare. The Las vegas track was Perez track.
Your points in this video are spot on, Paul.
Thanks very much!
I agree times have changed, whether its social media, drivers more then ever being national symbols, sponsors demanding more of a driver they individually sponsor and ego's. Combine these things with the era of "fake/unsustainable equality", and you've got a volatile balance F1 needs to recalibrate themselves in.
They shouldn't have first or second driver, as you said it's a team effort, the only place I see a 1 and 2 driver working would be when you have an experienced driver and a rookie on the team
It should be equal at the start of the season between drivers until theres a clear points difference between the 2, and then the points leader becomes #1 driver for the rest of the season imo
Not bad for a number two driver. Cheers
I'll have that
Meanwhile at Ferrari: No. 2 driver has more points than the No. 1 driver
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They apparantly have an equal standing but they might have to change this to beat Red Bull
The 3 best seconds in the history of F1... 1/ Rubens Barrichello. 2 Valtteri Bottas 3/ Eddie Irvine. Since a team can only have one winner , the one who wins the most usually leads the team. Its not a driver is hired to be a second. At least that's the way it should be. The problem comes when pairing a driver to say Max. The organization wants Max to win. The second has to accept that . Not many true racers are going to do that.
anyone partnering Max has a hell of a job
Has nothing to do with the organizers. It’s on track where the stopwatch is the determinator. Just be quicker than your teammate.
wtf are you talking about why would they get rid of Gasly and Albon and go outside the Red Bull family to hire Sergio Perez then….They’d of kept Albon if that was the case and despite what you think or heard they never wanted Daniel to leave either…
I thought teams only really care about manufacturers standings? If so, and your two drivers are running 1-2 with your #1 guy in 2nd, why would you swap positions?
Although constructors is the priority, they still want to win the drivers. Prize money, prestige, commercial benefits etc. Switch those boys around!
How many times has Perez sabotaged his own race to help Max? most of the time he was not even close enough to be of any help
No2 driver term has started when barichello moved to ferrari
If you want to think that then that's fine
A number 2 driver sacrificing his win for the number 1 driver doesn't really seem earned on merit to that number 1 driver.
If 1 really is *that* good, he'd be able to pass 2 on the track without requiring team orders.
If I'm the owner, I don't want to have both my cars racing against eachother
@@thegridgab yeah, but if chance so happens number 2 is in front of 1 and they're heading for a 1-2 podium, it would depend on the championship standings before considering gifting an, I dare say, undeserved win to the number 1. And if the championship is between the number 1 and 2 drivers, not letting them race for it would feel like a cheat to whomever is gifted the championship.
Also depends on respect between the drivers and the team. Nobody wants a Hamilton/Rosberg repeat for their team.
When someone says they are about to take a number 2.. what does it mean?
I rest my case. U get the point
Not really
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Cheers!
Since giving Red Bull Racing that precious 1-2 which Horner coveted so much in Vegas, Sergio Pérez is arguably the greatest #2 driver... ever.
Coming from the back of the field, Checo completely annihilated a seven-time world champion in the fight for P2 in the WDC, with a race to spare! A feat only ever achieved by Kimi (who wasn't a #2 driver) when he beat Michael to P2 in 2005... that's HOW good Checo is! 😂
Seriously, Checo has proven that he can do "rear-gunning" with the best of them. David Coulthard, Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello, Valtteri Bottas have nothing on Sergio Pérez.
Perez is a great number 2 but he never seems totally comfortable about it
@@thegridgab Well, we've rarely seen Valtteri or Rubens being all smiles about the job either.
In terms of nr 2 driver, there s nobody above Bottas, from 2017 up to 2021 all we ve heard on the radio was Valtteri it s James! Please aboard fastest lap/hold position/do not fight Hamilton… and some others like testing tyres for him during a race
@@vladaltreilea1431 When we compare their respective first three seasons on the "wingman" job, Checo has "bested" Valtteri (P4/3/2 vs P3/5/2) and equaled Rubens (P4/3/2). But they're all very good in their own right.
This season was so boring that all of a sudden P2 in the WDC was hyped as the Holy f*cking Grail... in reality nobody ever gives a sh*t. In the quiet words of Ayrton Senna, "Nobody remembers second place, it's the first of the losers." 😉
@@thegridgabthen tell him to beat Max
I feel like with Checos case is that next year he will have that mentality where he is a second driver, and if he does get sacked he will have alot more expirence from a top field team he could give to a midfield or backfield like Buttass is doing right now
I think he'll be much more stable next year
@@thegridgab He did not really improve over the last 3 years, he only took P2 in the championship because the other teams were very inconsistent, he only scored 9 podiums where Max scored 20
@@StevenQ74That's not how you measure improvement. Improvement is relative to your own performance, not relative to others. And results not always follow performance. Perez has improved much more than you can see. He's improved so much that he had room to start tweaking his driving style to fight Max, tho he crossed a line and got drowned in a rut, then he got desperate because Max has had the best season in history, and that's tough, plus he had to endure the endless stream of bad press and constant attack from outside and within RB, much more than ANYONE in F1. Comments and mentality like yours, totally oversaturating the F1 community with ignorance and bad takes just for the sake of novelty.
People always forget that if Perez was to win a WDC, he would have to not only beat Max on track, but beat his own team's bias towards their billion dollar investment (which if I was RB would never do). Not a conspiracy, just business for the best outcome to the company.
@@anameyoucantremember He was 149 points behind Max last season and 276 points behind Max at this moment, that is certainly not improvement
@@StevenQ74lmfao, again, that's not how you measure improvement.. on the other hand, Perez has 167 more points than Michael Schumacher in 2000. So, he's better than Schumacher now 🤣
A hidden toilet joke ?😉
Ah you got me
You're wrong, checo is not a very good driver.
All have opinions mate
@@thegridgabBut mine is right this time, his record shows it this year. Five races in a row no q3. A very good driver would do that, he's only good.
60th view, let’s gooo