I would really liked to have seen some more thorough testing of game genres to get a better sense of the latency. Fast paced games like an FPS, or even a soulslike, would have been a really easy way to test if the input delay is noticeable and detrimental. Also, big cities in the US gotta be inflating that “average internet speed” metric because I’m in the US and I’ve got nowhere near that speed, despite literally having the fastest available network in my area.
@@Danielruni I believe he’s said before he lives in LA, and is a content creator, so his perspective is skewed. But man, it’s a good day for me if my speeds are 40-50mbps so I just don’t think this product is for me.
30mbps isn’t ideal in today’s world. Where I live I have access to fiber and multi gig speed. Obviously all areas are different but I feel by now every area should have access to at least 100mbps at the bare minimum
You can't play digital either its only for remote play. Regardless you need a ps5. If you have the disk inserted into the ps5, I'm pretty sure you can play that game remotely.
yes i can confirm you can play whatever game is in the disc drive. when i was on buisness i had my wife switch my games for me at home when switching discs. and plays everything you got installed. i used a Galaxy tab S7+ and an extra Ps5 controller. works very well!
@@chrisgarciaj16the point is if your library is all physical and you want to just take your portal with you on vacation, you have to choose your game ahead of time and insert the disc before you leave. You only have the choice of that 1 game until you get back home. This device is designed to encourage you to buy all digital, because that gives you more options while you're away.
@@Ash_Yu Unfortunately if you wanna play your PS5 games on the go, they kinda have to be digital, there's no real way a device like this would be able to play physical games unless it was basically a whole PS5 crammed into a portable device with disc drive included, which would make it super bulky and heavy, and would probably cost a ton.
30 megabits being considered slow is the definition of “everything is relative”. I know I live in a third world country but that would be considered rather fast.
@@princegroove not sure if this makes sense but maybe the quality of the mbps is different. For example you need 400mbps for smooth internet, while in Uk we only need 30 for smooth internet
As someone who loves portable gaming, I really enjoyed this review, through for $200 “only” to stream games, it,s still not worth it for me atm. Also I will say to the “a phone is more expensive” bit (a small point tbf) it’s not that it’s less expensive than a phone, but that you probably already have a phone, and wouldn’t buy this over one
I appreciate your comments and comparisons to other devices you have used for remote play. I have this on pre-order but have been on the fence on whether I want to stick with it since my iPad mini works fairly well. The shortcomings of using my iPad mini is when I’m in different areas of the house. Sometimes it struggles and I’ve never found a comfortable way to use it while laying in bed which is usually where I like to play remote play if I’m not using the TV. It’s good to hear that the performance feels better than that of other devices so I think I’m going to stick with my pre-order. The one thing that is such a kick to the teeth is the fact that it doesn’t support Bluetooth. I don’t know why Sony continues to use the strategy to force people to buy their hardware. It never works out in their favor.
There definitely are very few if any better devices than this for PS5 streaming, though I feel like few people will be able to justify it when a Switch Lite costs the same, and a Steam Deck is not much more. Then there are certain features that are lacking, such as bluetooth, hdr, or 120hz (both for native 120fps games and 40fps modes).
This is looking pretty good, would love to see a direct comparison of the Portal VS on a phone with remote play, if it's similar, it might not be worth it, but if it's a big difference it might be worth it
Can you see if USB-C audio out is supported? No review has covered this so far. Either via a USB-C dongle (a la the Arctis 7) or via wired USB-C headphones. Great review!
That's a curious question, though I don't think it matters that much. The Arctis should connect via the headphone jack too (and preferable to using a dongle IMO), and most purely wired usb-c headphones are pretty poop.
Would love if it could connect as an external display through USB-C to the PS5 and thus not have to rely on internet connection, similar to the cinema mode in PSVR2. I have 1.2 Gbs wired internet connection between my PS5 and Mac and still the PS Remote play has been quite a crappy experience, so buying a device that only relies on Remote Play (through WiFi on top) is a no go for me.
After a decade Sony came up with the brilliant idea of bringing back the Wii U gamepad, but A) much more expensive B) with less features. C) in need of a constant Wifi Connection to even work D) in the most lazy "this is just a regular controller with a screen attached to it" design ever. As someone who has played a lot of Wii U games just on the gamepad alone I definitely see the appeal and market for such a product, but this is just too little too late imo. On a related note - though that isn't a direct jab at Sony and the PS Portal - I wish the second screen experience would've stuck with the industry. Having a gamepad that displays your inventory, hud, map etc. was such a game changer and made gaming experiences more seamless. With the Wii U and 3DS-era now long gone, I begin to realize how much I'm actually missing that feature especially when playing games like Splatoon which made good use of that second screen in the past and feel now weirdly more restrictive due to the lack of it. Sony could've been bold enough to bring that style of gameplay back with the Playstation portal, but of course they didn't because that would've meant doing more than the absolute bare minimum, which is understandable of course, but also so lame given the actual potential of the PS Portal.
I'm less so talking physically and more so how it runs games. If I ever get into remote play (I won't), I'd choose this device because it seems to avoid my biggest issue with remote play
Question: When you tested the Portal on the 30mbps internet connection, did you have the PS5 local to that connection or was the PS5 still connected to your internet? Thanks
Like some real test mentioned, the Portal works horrible if it is not connected to the same network as the PS5. It is very laggy on hotel Wlan or Hotspots, independent of the quality of the wlan.
@@klapauzius101 My pre-order came in today. I’ll do my own test away from my home network but It personally wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me. I bought it expecting to use it throughout my house. I appreciate the comment back 👍🏼
Nice review! Question... I understand it can only remote play PS5 (which is a major oversight IMO) but can you just bluetooth pair or connect this to a PC to act as an xinput device? Or are we going to have to wait for someone to "jailbreak" this?
Something that is not being said is, your internet connection only matters if you are away from your network. When you are in your house, the local wireless connection is vastly much faster (unless you have an OLD router or cheap router).
@@CorynSilver If you have your network connected but not the internet, Yes, technically, it will work. The Portal needs a local network (Router) not necessarily connected to the Internet.
@@CorynSilveryou can use PlayStation Remote Play purely on a local network without any need for a internet connection. The PS5 and the Portal just needs to be on the same local network. The Best way would be connecting the PS5 via Ethernet to your Router and the Remote Play Device (like Portal, Smartphone, PC) via Wifi from same router or if possible connecting the remote play devices via Ethernet too (through for example Dongles) Wired connections are always better and more stable then wireless like Wifi
@CorynSilver you just need a (VERY) consistent 5mbs and up internet connection no matter where you are with the portal. Some phone hotspots might not work due to mobile internet providers having a (nat type) that might block the portal. But a (vpn) might let you bypass and it'll work.
have you noticed any image quality degradation while playing? That's the only concern I have, something akin to a low res blockiness that pops up form time to time. (it would be faint and not super obvious, but it would be noticeable if compared to the image on the TV) I imagine if you have a stellar connection it will be fine. But I've seen some people on youtube complain about this.
Hi Steve. Regarding the 30Mbps download speeds at your family member's address, in this scenario your own network's upload speeds matter too. I know you said you had 2.5Gbps down at home, are you comfortable telling us your home upload speeds too please?
I agree with you and cannot understand why SONY won't mention "upload" speed. I have spectrum with 500 down, but they only offer 20 up in my area. 500 down is overkill, but 20 up is just okay.
Really liked this review, it's nice casual take that I think compliments other more technical reviews you can find elsewhere. Sometimes one person's experience of normal use is valuable too.
This review is what I was looking forward to. Tell me how button latency is vs an occasional dip which doesn't really affect gameplay. I know technology is getting better with latency issues. If you watch a tv show on streaming vs over the air, there could be a a few seconds delay but as long as the audio matches the video then the show is in sync and watchable. This is what is happening to remote play. It is a few milliseconds off, but as long as the buttons I press match what is on the screen then it's irrelevant if there is a delay.
Bruh. The explorers earbuds doesn’t connect to your phone so you can take calls while gaming. It’s for voice chatting on apps like discord with the people you’re playing with. 😂
I have a feeling that in the future they might make a game card adapter to plug in the bottom and release games that you can take with you. I would if it we me in charge, but it would be a pretty big oversight if they don't.
Would be pretty hard to do that without local processing power...lol. This thing is literally just a display with controllers and wireless networking. It doesn't have a powerful enough chip to handle games locally. You're asking them to make a new handheld platform, aka PSP. That's NOT what this product is, at all.
Wonderful choice of background music. Thanks you for not adding EDM POP music that detracts from you excellent content. Nice comparison to other options
@@MatthewLeavitt The only issue with that is the screen though. It’s a basic 7 inch 1080p 60 LCD. No oled, no vrr, no HDR. That ain’t worth that 120$. And the little bits and pieces of hardware for the streaming technology? That’s cents on the dollar. Let’s say those are 10$. And the real crime is the regional price differences. Sony is pricing this thing at 30.000¥ in Japan. Now you might look up the dollar to yen rate and say hey that’s exactly right but that’s not how regional pricing has ever worked. Because of the weak yen and the corona pandemic companies have begun to ditch the regional pricing structure and orient it along the US dollar. I live in Japan and earn Yen. To me 30.000¥ is 300$ and that isn’t worth it. Nintendo is the only company who hasn’t changed their pricing and I commend them for that.
The price is definitely impressive. That said, even as a techie, I don't personally have a solid enough wireless connection to reliably hit the entire house (such is the life of a renter). I could probably see this being more of a must-have if it supported even just downloading and playing PS Classics, like PS1, PS2, or PSP/Vita games. I suppose that could bump the price up, but I feel like it would hold a lot more value. That said, I've been really disappointed with the build quality of the PS5 controllers, and I'm not hopeful that this would fair much better. Still, I'm honestly very pleasantly surprised with the price point. I imagine this will be an item with fairly niche appeal, and may still be a bit ahead of its time (and issue that unfortunately applied to the Vita). I hope Sony isn't investing too much into this, because I could see this very much being something people gradually adopt over time, and again, at that price, I think it will absolutely find its market over a year or two. Particularly once PS5's start getting into more peoples' hands over the holiday season.
No thanks. A few points: With the new AMD APUs being as powerful as a ps5, the currently released ones like the ROG Ally, and Steamdeck would have been an amazing template for a PSP3. But a 'dumb' screen you cant use without GOOD internet or wifi, no thanks. Im not going to spend HUNDREDS on a screen to play in bed. Ironically, you can use a proper portable like a steamdeck or Ally to use the PC based remote connect feature to do this same thing but on a proper portable.
The connection speed isn’t your internet speed, it’s your network speed. The image and input outputs are not going over your internet, it’s going over your LAN.
I can't believe every comment is not this lmao. Listening to this guy talk made me question why I'm even watching this video. This guy clearly does not understand how the device operates.
@@Hedgeyyas someone who is working in the IT, I’m crying while watching all the videos about the PlayStation Portal. Because 99% of people don’t understand this. They don’t know the difference between WAN and LAN connections. They mix internet speeds together with local network speeds.
@@TooEazyy you might pay for a plan and its rated speeds, but what you actually get in your house depends on many factors. population density in the area, location, how many people use wifi in the house, and what they do on the wifi.
This is a very Nintendo-Life-eque video title. (I mean, I get it in this case. The practicality of this device for that price is the biggest question.)
yeah, and considering PlayStation has been putting there games on PC, you might as well just spend money on a Steam Deck. At least you won't be restricted by your PS5 and the wifi network its connected to.
I will take this thing as seriously as I did the Logitech Cloud Gaming "Console" that came out for Xbox. I didn't take that one seriously either. All of the portability with none of the hardware to back it up. Exact same situation here, only now it's even bulkier and more awkward. If you guys wanna copy the Switch, at least do it right!
Sony never intended to copy Switch at all. At least they're transparent on what PS Portal is and does instead of lying. Sony already stated years ago that they moved away from handheld console market and I highly doubt Sony have a chance to return when handheld PC market is slowly picking up the pace Sony left and Nintendo's upcoming console that most likely continuing Switch's success if they don't fuck it up. Just another niche accessory everyone will forget in a few days unless you're looking for it.
But like, we all know EXACTLY where the form factor came from. It feels like Sony wanted in on the portable PC/Switch market without actually allowing the full power of a portable console? Still a missed opportunity in my opinion.
It's the exact same concept as the Nintendo switch. The switch is better and the winner for multiple reasons. The controllers are literally split in half and connected to the console to make it a one piece console with the option to take the controllers off or use a completely different controller. Sony ain't copying anyone right?😅
They should have made the dual sense and the LCD screen seperate, like a detachable controller, like the razer edge, because if anything happens to the controller on the portal, stick drift ect its basically useless, buying a new detachable controller would obviously be cheaper than buying a whole new ps portal,
I've been using remote play on my phone. Totally looking forward to the playstation portal. My wife can now watch her TV shows while I game on the couch.
Yes, and I can't wait for my unit to get here. Now I can really get caught up on my backlog without leveraging football games or buying a second screen for the bedroom to move around the house
I was definitely baffled by the reveal of this device, so it was nice to see the perspective of a person that would actually use it. At least it works well. Judging how it sold out, there’s enough people that want this.
Being sold out doesnt mean anything when the seller doesn't reveal its stocks or sales number. It only means that Sony either correctly estimated or underestimated how many units would sell day one. Whatever this quantity is.
As someone who have 8 Dualsense with various degree of drift, I'm concern when this thing start to drift too. it going to be expensive. If only Sony make it easy to change like Edge.
Yea this review confirms the purchase…literally only want something reliable to play when the wife or kid have the tv, or staying at family’s house…all the other reviews ive seen seem to have expected way more out of this than i did
It's funny how hostile people are to this thing. It's a PS5 accessory that is beyond optional. If you're treating it as an alternative to a Switch or Steam Deck that's on your comprehension skills, not the products. It's a gimmicky little thing consisting of a controller, a screen and some networking devices. It costs the price of two Duel Senses. It's fine. Is it expensive? Yes. Is it niche? Big yes. Do you need it? Obviously not. But if you have that kind of money to burn and want to play your PS5 in the bathroom or other similar Switch-friendly scenarios? It's pretty dope. But people gotta take everything personally. It's a disaster because it's not *for them". Yeesh.
@@NeilSecor It probably depends on where you are. In my neck of the woods, Portal is 219.99€ and a Dual Sense is 69.99€, which makes a Portal 3.15 x Dual Senses.
I see the invention of the Playstation Portal is a way to manipulate consumers to purchase digital instead of hard copies of games. If your games aren't digital, the only game you can play is the game in the tray. They could've at least allowed you the ability to use the Playstation+ library. But they didn't. They could've used micro USB high-speed cards. They could've given the device memory to allow to download full games. But they didn't. I believe that if this device becomes a success. In the future, a new version, "Pro" or upgrade, will be introduced so it can be used as a standalone unit such as the PSVita was or their own variation of the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, etc. You can use wired headphones. You should be able to use any headphones that support the use of a USB dongle.
Though it could of cpurse be much better i hope the success of this thing keeps sony making them into the future cause yeah being a dad is amazing. Being a gamer dad kind of sucks sometimes
Im taking this review with a huge grain of salt, if u have good wifi at ur home then I'm sure the latency won't be that bad (using it like a wii u gamepad) , but i wonder how it will work when you're very far away from ur home, and ur using ur phone's hotspot or a public wifi. At 200 dollars for a streaming device, in addition to having to own a ps5, it's a very hard sell.
PlayStation Link, huh. Reminds me an awful lot of just... normal sync buttons like on the Wii. Back when everyone wished they could just sync controllers like on PlayStation by just plugging in the cable for a second :D
I live on my own and i was wondering can i play it at my mum when i go see her? and Does my ps5 have to be plug in to play with it? i don't bring my ps5 to my mum beucase it's to much to carry?
It bothers me when talking about something like the PS Portal or cloud gaming everyone seem to focus only on input latency and image quality, nobody seem to bring up the fact it eats up your internet cap. You know, not everyone has the luxury to have unlimited or lightning fast internet, most people outside of the United States use capped internet with varried download speeds, also unlike TH-cam and Netflix where the video is pre-recorded and is highly compressed streaming games require a constant refresh in high quality.
I was also blown away when Steve said the average internet speed in the US is 200mbps. I’m in the US and have the fastest internet available in my area and it’s not 200mbps. I think big cities like LA and NYC are inflating that average by a lot.
@@NoonDragoonwell yeah. If you're in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere you're not gonna get gold internet. My homie in Arkansas barely got internet that's not from the early 2000s lmao
@@666slateran666 I'm not even in "bumblefuck nowhere", I live in an average sized city for my state (about 100k population). And my internet is way less than 200mbps.
@@NoonDragoon blame American infrastructure. If you're not in a big city like you said you're screwed. I'm in Cali and have Faster than business internet. Haven't been able to relate to bad internet in years lol
No, your internet speed doesn’t matter at all IF your ps5 and the ps portal is on the SAME network. You have to understand the difference between internet speeds AND local network speeds. They are two completely different things. Only if you go outside with the Portal to a friends home or use cellular then the internet speeds at your home and the friends home/Cellular speeds matter
See when i use my phone for remote play i have the controller connected to the console so my phone is just acting as a display (you have to have a dummy account set up on the console to get it to work ive also done this using my laptop as the screen instead of my phone and never had any issues with remote play)
"30 megabits, which is really slow by modern standards..." *Me, an Australian, having recently been upgraded to a 50 Mbit connection I thought was amazing last year* :/
Can someone clear this up for me once and for all - does the portal need to be connected to the same Wi-Fi network as your PS5 for it to work? Is it possible to connect to the Wi-Fi at my friend's house while my PS5 is still at home?
Your internet doesn’t matter at all. Your local network has the problems. Connect your PS5 through Ethernet. And analyze your Wifi and Wifi signals of other people around you. Choose 5GHz WiFi or even better 6GHz WiFi if you have a Router or Access Point which supports it. And look that your Wifi Signal uses a Channel which isn’t used already by other people router/access points. Even if you got a 1Gbit Internet speed, it doesn’t matter as long as your local Network (LAN) is the bottleneck
Sony's very own clapper. One way I can see this succeeding if there is a specific PS5 bundle with the Portal, and it markets itself as bootable without the need of a TV. In essence that would make it a half solution to an all-in-one system without being an-all in-one device.
Im in the demographic for this product and ill be getting it but i think its BS that theres no Bluetooth connectivity for a headset and forcing you to buy there expensive headset/earbuds running on proprietary connection
How much smaller are the thumbsticks vs the dual sense controller I wanna use thumbstick grips on it but people have said there smaller is it like Xbox stick size or switch
At the end of the day, I see something like this and then look at my phone and wonder what the point is. The point of “well you need a phone,” who has a PS5 and not a smart phone? It’s just a pointless product. If I’m that desperate to play a PlayStation game, I’d just remote play on my ROG Ally or just go the few hours without that precious “gamer time”
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*A moment of silence for the parents who buy a PlayStation Portal for their kids without a PS5*
Second market sweep 🎉
Hey it'll be a good paperweight tho
Hell, even WITH a PS5. Portal is not worth getting.
@@pest174 sweeping what? Dust?
Except for those who find it worth it. Playing in bed alone will make it worth it@@cliffturbo2146
I would really liked to have seen some more thorough testing of game genres to get a better sense of the latency. Fast paced games like an FPS, or even a soulslike, would have been a really easy way to test if the input delay is noticeable and detrimental.
Also, big cities in the US gotta be inflating that “average internet speed” metric because I’m in the US and I’ve got nowhere near that speed, despite literally having the fastest available network in my area.
Yeah it was crazy to hear him say 30 mbps was a bad connection because anyone in my area would kill for those speeds haha
@@Danielruni I believe he’s said before he lives in LA, and is a content creator, so his perspective is skewed. But man, it’s a good day for me if my speeds are 40-50mbps so I just don’t think this product is for me.
@@NoonDragoon this is why people make fun of America's internet infrastructure
30mbps isn’t ideal in today’s world. Where I live I have access to fiber and multi gig speed. Obviously all areas are different but I feel by now every area should have access to at least 100mbps at the bare minimum
@@NoonDragoon I actually live in a small town in WA!
I never hear anyone mention that this becomes less useful if you have mostly a physical library. Can’t play without the disc in it.
You can't play digital either its only for remote play. Regardless you need a ps5. If you have the disk inserted into the ps5, I'm pretty sure you can play that game remotely.
yes i can confirm you can play whatever game is in the disc drive. when i was on buisness i had my wife switch my games for me at home when switching discs. and plays everything you got installed. i used a Galaxy tab S7+ and an extra Ps5 controller. works very well!
@@chrisgarciaj16the point is if your library is all physical and you want to just take your portal with you on vacation, you have to choose your game ahead of time and insert the disc before you leave. You only have the choice of that 1 game until you get back home.
This device is designed to encourage you to buy all digital, because that gives you more options while you're away.
@@Ash_Yu Unfortunately if you wanna play your PS5 games on the go, they kinda have to be digital, there's no real way a device like this would be able to play physical games unless it was basically a whole PS5 crammed into a portable device with disc drive included, which would make it super bulky and heavy, and would probably cost a ton.
Yea but your issue isnt with the portal…your issue is just remote play as a whole
30 megabits being considered slow is the definition of “everything is relative”. I know I live in a third world country but that would be considered rather fast.
In London that’s standard
Damn, that’s my dilemma about ten years ago. 😆
Now, I’m fortunate enough to have about 450-500 mbps wired and 350-400 wireless.
@@isaacm419 Maybe it’s due to an ancient infrastructure? Here in L.A. everyone’s downloading at blazing speeds, thankfully.
@@princegroove not sure if this makes sense but maybe the quality of the mbps is different. For example you need 400mbps for smooth internet, while in Uk we only need 30 for smooth internet
As someone who loves portable gaming, I really enjoyed this review, through for $200 “only” to stream games, it,s still not worth it for me atm. Also I will say to the “a phone is more expensive” bit (a small point tbf) it’s not that it’s less expensive than a phone, but that you probably already have a phone, and wouldn’t buy this over one
I appreciate your comments and comparisons to other devices you have used for remote play. I have this on pre-order but have been on the fence on whether I want to stick with it since my iPad mini works fairly well. The shortcomings of using my iPad mini is when I’m in different areas of the house. Sometimes it struggles and I’ve never found a comfortable way to use it while laying in bed which is usually where I like to play remote play if I’m not using the TV. It’s good to hear that the performance feels better than that of other devices so I think I’m going to stick with my pre-order. The one thing that is such a kick to the teeth is the fact that it doesn’t support Bluetooth. I don’t know why Sony continues to use the strategy to force people to buy their hardware. It never works out in their favor.
There definitely are very few if any better devices than this for PS5 streaming, though I feel like few people will be able to justify it when a Switch Lite costs the same, and a Steam Deck is not much more. Then there are certain features that are lacking, such as bluetooth, hdr, or 120hz (both for native 120fps games and 40fps modes).
This is looking pretty good, would love to see a direct comparison of the Portal VS on a phone with remote play, if it's similar, it might not be worth it, but if it's a big difference it might be worth it
I could make that happen!
That would be awesome!@@GVG
Please do!
I can't wait to get mine, im not into gaming on my phone, so I'm really looking forward to using this.👏
U need a ps5 tho
@XEXoTic_World Yes you do and I have one.
Can you see if USB-C audio out is supported? No review has covered this so far. Either via a USB-C dongle (a la the Arctis 7) or via wired USB-C headphones. Great review!
Yes would be nice to know
That's a curious question, though I don't think it matters that much. The Arctis should connect via the headphone jack too (and preferable to using a dongle IMO), and most purely wired usb-c headphones are pretty poop.
Would love if it could connect as an external display through USB-C to the PS5 and thus not have to rely on internet connection, similar to the cinema mode in PSVR2. I have 1.2 Gbs wired internet connection between my PS5 and Mac and still the PS Remote play has been quite a crappy experience, so buying a device that only relies on Remote Play (through WiFi on top) is a no go for me.
After a decade Sony came up with the brilliant idea of bringing back the Wii U gamepad, but A) much more expensive B) with less features. C) in need of a constant Wifi Connection to even work D) in the most lazy "this is just a regular controller with a screen attached to it" design ever.
As someone who has played a lot of Wii U games just on the gamepad alone I definitely see the appeal and market for such a product, but this is just too little too late imo.
On a related note - though that isn't a direct jab at Sony and the PS Portal - I wish the second screen experience would've stuck with the industry. Having a gamepad that displays your inventory, hud, map etc. was such a game changer and made gaming experiences more seamless. With the Wii U and 3DS-era now long gone, I begin to realize how much I'm actually missing that feature especially when playing games like Splatoon which made good use of that second screen in the past and feel now weirdly more restrictive due to the lack of it.
Sony could've been bold enough to bring that style of gameplay back with the Playstation portal, but of course they didn't because that would've meant doing more than the absolute bare minimum, which is understandable of course, but also so lame given the actual potential of the PS Portal.
I love how hard you tried to break it. These efforts can show how good a well-made product is
Try same thing with switch
It's not that well made lol.
I'm less so talking physically and more so how it runs games.
If I ever get into remote play (I won't), I'd choose this device because it seems to avoid my biggest issue with remote play
@@chackbro1 So many better options though, look around with this your secluding yourself into one ecosystem
I tried cloud gaming and remote play on multiple occasions. It's really not my thing, sorry
Thanx for the review! I'm feeling alot better about my preorder now! I was on the fence about it.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Question: When you tested the Portal on the 30mbps internet connection, did you have the PS5 local to that connection or was the PS5 still connected to your internet? Thanks
Like some real test mentioned, the Portal works horrible if it is not connected to the same network as the PS5. It is very laggy on hotel Wlan or Hotspots, independent of the quality of the wlan.
@@klapauzius101 My pre-order came in today. I’ll do my own test away from my home network but It personally wouldn’t be a dealbreaker for me. I bought it expecting to use it throughout my house. I appreciate the comment back 👍🏼
I'll wait for the OLED PS Portal coming next year 😜
Nice review! Question... I understand it can only remote play PS5 (which is a major oversight IMO) but can you just bluetooth pair or connect this to a PC to act as an xinput device? Or are we going to have to wait for someone to "jailbreak" this?
Short answer: No, you'd have to wait for a jailbreak to do that.
Man, I miss Sony making actual handhelds
vita is still one of the best handhelds ever.
@@thecunninlynguist it was way ahead of its time. Especially with it's OLED screen
Vita is great even now but sadly the public decided the handheld markets fate, I doubt sony will ever do it again
@@Gazeycovers public? nah sony decided their own fate when they abandoned it so early. the public and third party fevs kept it alive.
@@thecunninlynguistthat's because no one bought the vita. It was a commercial failure my guy
Something that is not being said is, your internet connection only matters if you are away from your network. When you are in your house, the local wireless connection is vastly much faster (unless you have an OLD router or cheap router).
What do you mean, can you remote play without an internet connection? Cuz i've not been able to figure out how if so
@@CorynSilver If you have your network connected but not the internet, Yes, technically, it will work. The Portal needs a local network (Router) not necessarily connected to the Internet.
@@CorynSilveryou can use PlayStation Remote Play purely on a local network without any need for a internet connection. The PS5 and the Portal just needs to be on the same local network.
The Best way would be connecting the PS5 via Ethernet to your Router and the Remote Play Device (like Portal, Smartphone, PC) via Wifi from same router or if possible connecting the remote play devices via Ethernet too (through for example Dongles)
Wired connections are always better and more stable then wireless like Wifi
@CorynSilver you just need a (VERY) consistent 5mbs and up internet connection no matter where you are with the portal. Some phone hotspots might not work due to mobile internet providers having a (nat type) that might block the portal. But a (vpn) might let you bypass and it'll work.
have you noticed any image quality degradation while playing? That's the only concern I have, something akin to a low res blockiness that pops up form time to time. (it would be faint and not super obvious, but it would be noticeable if compared to the image on the TV) I imagine if you have a stellar connection it will be fine. But I've seen some people on youtube complain about this.
Hi Steve. Regarding the 30Mbps download speeds at your family member's address, in this scenario your own network's upload speeds matter too. I know you said you had 2.5Gbps down at home, are you comfortable telling us your home upload speeds too please?
I agree with you and cannot understand why SONY won't mention "upload" speed. I have spectrum with 500 down, but they only offer 20 up in my area. 500 down is overkill, but 20 up is just okay.
Really liked this review, it's nice casual take that I think compliments other more technical reviews you can find elsewhere. Sometimes one person's experience of normal use is valuable too.
if you're talking about adam savage tested..... then im rolling my eyes so hard right now.
This review is what I was looking forward to. Tell me how button latency is vs an occasional dip which doesn't really affect gameplay. I know technology is getting better with latency issues. If you watch a tv show on streaming vs over the air, there could be a a few seconds delay but as long as the audio matches the video then the show is in sync and watchable. This is what is happening to remote play. It is a few milliseconds off, but as long as the buttons I press match what is on the screen then it's irrelevant if there is a delay.
Bruh. The explorers earbuds doesn’t connect to your phone so you can take calls while gaming. It’s for voice chatting on apps like discord with the people you’re playing with. 😂
I have a feeling that in the future they might make a game card adapter to plug in the bottom and release games that you can take with you. I would if it we me in charge, but it would be a pretty big oversight if they don't.
Would be pretty hard to do that without local processing power...lol. This thing is literally just a display with controllers and wireless networking. It doesn't have a powerful enough chip to handle games locally. You're asking them to make a new handheld platform, aka PSP. That's NOT what this product is, at all.
Wonderful choice of background music. Thanks you for not adding EDM POP music that detracts from you excellent content. Nice comparison to other options
I always try to use music that matches the platform! Thanks for noticing!
I just wish it was 50 bucks or rather 10.000¥ cheaper. Can’t justify a streaming only screen with a controller for 3/4 of the price as the Switch.
But a Dualsense itself is $70, so the screen and being a dedicated remote device it's not that bad .
@@MatthewLeavitt
The only issue with that is the screen though. It’s a basic 7 inch 1080p 60 LCD. No oled, no vrr, no HDR.
That ain’t worth that 120$. And the little bits and pieces of hardware for the streaming technology? That’s cents on the dollar. Let’s say those are 10$.
And the real crime is the regional price differences.
Sony is pricing this thing at 30.000¥ in Japan. Now you might look up the dollar to yen rate and say hey that’s exactly right but that’s not how regional pricing has ever worked.
Because of the weak yen and the corona pandemic companies have begun to ditch the regional pricing structure and orient it along the US dollar.
I live in Japan and earn Yen. To me 30.000¥ is 300$ and that isn’t worth it.
Nintendo is the only company who hasn’t changed their pricing and I commend them for that.
equal to the price of a switch lite..!
The price is definitely impressive. That said, even as a techie, I don't personally have a solid enough wireless connection to reliably hit the entire house (such is the life of a renter).
I could probably see this being more of a must-have if it supported even just downloading and playing PS Classics, like PS1, PS2, or PSP/Vita games. I suppose that could bump the price up, but I feel like it would hold a lot more value.
That said, I've been really disappointed with the build quality of the PS5 controllers, and I'm not hopeful that this would fair much better.
Still, I'm honestly very pleasantly surprised with the price point. I imagine this will be an item with fairly niche appeal, and may still be a bit ahead of its time (and issue that unfortunately applied to the Vita). I hope Sony isn't investing too much into this, because I could see this very much being something people gradually adopt over time, and again, at that price, I think it will absolutely find its market over a year or two. Particularly once PS5's start getting into more peoples' hands over the holiday season.
No thanks. A few points:
With the new AMD APUs being as powerful as a ps5, the currently released ones like the ROG Ally, and Steamdeck would have been an amazing template for a PSP3.
But a 'dumb' screen you cant use without GOOD internet or wifi, no thanks.
Im not going to spend HUNDREDS on a screen to play in bed.
Ironically, you can use a proper portable like a steamdeck or Ally to use the PC based remote connect feature to do this same thing but on a proper portable.
The connection speed isn’t your internet speed, it’s your network speed. The image and input outputs are not going over your internet, it’s going over your LAN.
I can't believe every comment is not this lmao.
Listening to this guy talk made me question why I'm even watching this video. This guy clearly does not understand how the device operates.
@@Hedgeyyas someone who is working in the IT, I’m crying while watching all the videos about the PlayStation Portal. Because 99% of people don’t understand this. They don’t know the difference between WAN and LAN connections. They mix internet speeds together with local network speeds.
We need this explained further lol
@@TooEazyy you might pay for a plan and its rated speeds, but what you actually get in your house depends on many factors. population density in the area, location, how many people use wifi in the house, and what they do on the wifi.
This is a very Nintendo-Life-eque video title. (I mean, I get it in this case. The practicality of this device for that price is the biggest question.)
Same dad situation here. Lurking amazon rn cause I missed the early preorder. Nice review
Can you please do a video about the interface and showing the initial setup, also please talk about how does it compare with de PC app
I’d rather spend my money on the Steam OLED, if anything.
yeah, and considering PlayStation has been putting there games on PC, you might as well just spend money on a Steam Deck. At least you won't be restricted by your PS5 and the wifi network its connected to.
@@dragon1130you can also stream to the steam deck. This tech is straight redundant
That, and if you wanted to use your Steam Deck as a device to stream games from your PC (for some reason), that's an option too!
I’d like to see someone do a comparison of this device and Chiaki on a Steam Deck.
I will take this thing as seriously as I did the Logitech Cloud Gaming "Console" that came out for Xbox.
I didn't take that one seriously either. All of the portability with none of the hardware to back it up. Exact same situation here, only now it's even bulkier and more awkward. If you guys wanna copy the Switch, at least do it right!
Sony never intended to copy Switch at all. At least they're transparent on what PS Portal is and does instead of lying. Sony already stated years ago that they moved away from handheld console market and I highly doubt Sony have a chance to return when handheld PC market is slowly picking up the pace Sony left and Nintendo's upcoming console that most likely continuing Switch's success if they don't fuck it up.
Just another niche accessory everyone will forget in a few days unless you're looking for it.
@@emperorfaiz yeah. this is more of a wii u
@@thecunninlynguist Absolutely.
But like, we all know EXACTLY where the form factor came from. It feels like Sony wanted in on the portable PC/Switch market without actually allowing the full power of a portable console? Still a missed opportunity in my opinion.
It's the exact same concept as the Nintendo switch. The switch is better and the winner for multiple reasons. The controllers are literally split in half and connected to the console to make it a one piece console with the option to take the controllers off or use a completely different controller. Sony ain't copying anyone right?😅
They should have made the dual sense and the LCD screen seperate, like a detachable controller, like the razer edge, because if anything happens to the controller on the portal, stick drift ect its basically useless, buying a new detachable controller would obviously be cheaper than buying a whole new ps portal,
your not real
If you can use it as a regular controller as well it might be worth the price.
I certainly wasn't expecting you to bring up Jerry rig everything
What happens when you get stick drift?
Which is better overall: this or a backbone?
Great video. Did he mention anything about battery life? I kinda skimmed throught it ha
It would’ve been worth it to me… if PlayStation didn’t cancel my preorder yesterday…🤬
I've been using remote play on my phone. Totally looking forward to the playstation portal. My wife can now watch her TV shows while I game on the couch.
Yes, and I can't wait for my unit to get here. Now I can really get caught up on my backlog without leveraging football games or buying a second screen for the bedroom to move around the house
This is the moment of having a smile of joy for this great review thank you
I think I would consider it a little bit if it’s OLED, but even still, no, because why.
I was definitely baffled by the reveal of this device, so it was nice to see the perspective of a person that would actually use it. At least it works well. Judging how it sold out, there’s enough people that want this.
It’s perfect for gaming on the go provided the WiFi is decent.
Being sold out doesnt mean anything when the seller doesn't reveal its stocks or sales number.
It only means that Sony either correctly estimated or underestimated how many units would sell day one. Whatever this quantity is.
As someone who have 8 Dualsense with various degree of drift, I'm concern when this thing start to drift too. it going to be expensive. If only Sony make it easy to change like Edge.
What’s the name of that game that you were testing at your neighbor’s house (the game after the Spiderman 2)?
Yea this review confirms the purchase…literally only want something reliable to play when the wife or kid have the tv, or staying at family’s house…all the other reviews ive seen seem to have expected way more out of this than i did
Great review. Quick quesiton. If my PS5 has an external drive attached with PS4 games, would that be accessible to play PS4 games via the PS5?
if you had a digital library you wouldnt have to worry about that...
(i have about 20 physical 80% digital just fyi)
Yes
It's funny how hostile people are to this thing.
It's a PS5 accessory that is beyond optional. If you're treating it as an alternative to a Switch or Steam Deck that's on your comprehension skills, not the products.
It's a gimmicky little thing consisting of a controller, a screen and some networking devices. It costs the price of two Duel Senses. It's fine.
Is it expensive? Yes. Is it niche? Big yes. Do you need it? Obviously not.
But if you have that kind of money to burn and want to play your PS5 in the bathroom or other similar Switch-friendly scenarios? It's pretty dope.
But people gotta take everything personally. It's a disaster because it's not *for them". Yeesh.
The headphones coming out next year seem cool though
You meant the cost of three dual sense controllers.
@@HalfpennyTerwilliger 2.66 controllers
@@NeilSecor It probably depends on where you are. In my neck of the woods, Portal is 219.99€ and a Dual Sense is 69.99€, which makes a Portal 3.15 x Dual Senses.
This is a great review!
Between the Australian price point and the quality of the internet over here… nyeeeaaah
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Also no.
Would your answer be different if Shawn Layden came up with the Portal?
Your ps5, is it connected via wifi or Ethernet?
I see the invention of the Playstation Portal is a way to manipulate consumers to purchase digital instead of hard copies of games. If your games aren't digital, the only game you can play is the game in the tray. They could've at least allowed you the ability to use the Playstation+ library. But they didn't. They could've used micro USB high-speed cards. They could've given the device memory to allow to download full games. But they didn't.
I believe that if this device becomes a success. In the future, a new version, "Pro" or upgrade, will be introduced so it can be used as a standalone unit such as the PSVita was or their own variation of the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, etc.
You can use wired headphones. You should be able to use any headphones that support the use of a USB dongle.
Though it could of cpurse be much better i hope the success of this thing keeps sony making them into the future cause yeah being a dad is amazing. Being a gamer dad kind of sucks sometimes
Well, buying that space harrier game now.
Im taking this review with a huge grain of salt, if u have good wifi at ur home then I'm sure the latency won't be that bad (using it like a wii u gamepad) , but i wonder how it will work when you're very far away from ur home, and ur using ur phone's hotspot or a public wifi.
At 200 dollars for a streaming device, in addition to having to own a ps5, it's a very hard sell.
No, absolutely not.
Based
what’s up with your name?
PlayStation Link, huh. Reminds me an awful lot of just... normal sync buttons like on the Wii. Back when everyone wished they could just sync controllers like on PlayStation by just plugging in the cable for a second :D
I live on my own and i was wondering can i play it at my mum when i go see her? and Does my ps5 have to be plug in to play with it? i don't bring my ps5 to my mum beucase it's to much to carry?
It bothers me when talking about something like the PS Portal or cloud gaming everyone seem to focus only on input latency and image quality, nobody seem to bring up the fact it eats up your internet cap.
You know, not everyone has the luxury to have unlimited or lightning fast internet, most people outside of the United States use capped internet with varried download speeds, also unlike TH-cam and Netflix where the video is pre-recorded and is highly compressed streaming games require a constant refresh in high quality.
I was also blown away when Steve said the average internet speed in the US is 200mbps. I’m in the US and have the fastest internet available in my area and it’s not 200mbps. I think big cities like LA and NYC are inflating that average by a lot.
@@NoonDragoonwell yeah. If you're in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere you're not gonna get gold internet. My homie in Arkansas barely got internet that's not from the early 2000s lmao
@@666slateran666 I'm not even in "bumblefuck nowhere", I live in an average sized city for my state (about 100k population). And my internet is way less than 200mbps.
@@NoonDragoon blame American infrastructure. If you're not in a big city like you said you're screwed. I'm in Cali and have Faster than business internet. Haven't been able to relate to bad internet in years lol
No, your internet speed doesn’t matter at all IF your ps5 and the ps portal is on the SAME network. You have to understand the difference between internet speeds AND local network speeds. They are two completely different things.
Only if you go outside with the Portal to a friends home or use cellular then the internet speeds at your home and the friends home/Cellular speeds matter
I wonder how many people will buy this thinking it's a "Switch" instead of a "Wii U"
im honestly starting to see the appeal of this thing, maybe if its a lot cheaper ill get it
Does this work if my ps5 is home connected to my home internet and I’m somewhere else connected to a different network?
See when i use my phone for remote play i have the controller connected to the console so my phone is just acting as a display (you have to have a dummy account set up on the console to get it to work ive also done this using my laptop as the screen instead of my phone and never had any issues with remote play)
"30 megabits, which is really slow by modern standards..."
*Me, an Australian, having recently been upgraded to a 50 Mbit connection I thought was amazing last year* :/
For the stability tests you performed, were these all done with the ps5 connected to an ethernet cable or wifi?
PS5 was tested both on WiFi and ethernet. Ethernet was noticably quicker to connect, but both were stable!
Can someone clear this up for me once and for all - does the portal need to be connected to the same Wi-Fi network as your PS5 for it to work? Is it possible to connect to the Wi-Fi at my friend's house while my PS5 is still at home?
you can play it anywhere as long as you have internet to connect your portal to !
in the uk unless you live somewhere with fibre optics (cities mainly) 30 mbps is insanely good (I get 20mbps)
Very informative video. I get issues with remote play on phone even though my internet is like 140mbps. Been wondering if Portal would be better.
Your internet doesn’t matter at all. Your local network has the problems. Connect your PS5 through Ethernet. And analyze your Wifi and Wifi signals of other people around you. Choose 5GHz WiFi or even better 6GHz WiFi if you have a Router or Access Point which supports it. And look that your Wifi Signal uses a Channel which isn’t used already by other people router/access points.
Even if you got a 1Gbit Internet speed, it doesn’t matter as long as your local Network (LAN) is the bottleneck
@@NeoReibert Thanks Man. That’s actually really useful.
I would love to see some Call of duty on the Portal. Curious to know how it would work.
The latency makes it unplayable in multiplayer mode.
@@busterhoodstar6598 any footage??? I play cod on my phone with remote play no issues
I think $160 would have been the perfect pricing for this thing
Normal it will be 400 or something but they make it 200 dollar because you need a ps5 so I think 160 is to low
I wonder if it works with phone hot spot internet or it has to be both ps5 and portal on same wifi
It's been around (remote play) since the PS3 but we get what you mean
Sony's very own clapper. One way I can see this succeeding if there is a specific PS5 bundle with the Portal, and it markets itself as bootable without the need of a TV.
In essence that would make it a half solution to an all-in-one system without being an-all in-one device.
Hi! do I need an internet connection for local remote play? Bacause PS Vita doesn't need internet and is using direct connect to ps4
Im in the demographic for this product and ill be getting it but i think its BS that theres no Bluetooth connectivity for a headset and forcing you to buy there expensive headset/earbuds running on proprietary connection
I think this has modding potential for Wii U emulation
Surprising that there is no guarantee that the PS Portal isn't as good or better at off TV Play as the Wii U Gamepad from 11 years ago
Do you know if it’s safe to use a USBc charging box that I use for my iPhone?
As long as output is the same as original charger you are fine
The hell is that shooter game with all the mushrooms
Air Twister, the new game from Yu Suzuki.
@@SIXminWHISTLEno wonder it looked like space harrier
Can you hook headphones into this and talk to your friends in chat?
yes, you can connect to bluetooth and playstation at the same time
Can you join PlayStation party or in game voice chat?
I want a real Playstation handheld.
How much smaller are the thumbsticks vs the dual sense controller I wanna use thumbstick grips on it but people have said there smaller is it like Xbox stick size or switch
Its so stupid how you need get a PS5 in order for this to work. Its like Sony tried to copy the Wii U idea from Nintendo.
Can you use it on your hot spot on your phone to play it
If you can get above 15mbps on your phone it would work!
I’ve seen travel bags for the portal on Amazon
Short answer: No
Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
What was the game being shown at 11:41?
A backbone controller for your phone does the same thing cheaper I cannot see the point of this
At the end of the day, I see something like this and then look at my phone and wonder what the point is. The point of “well you need a phone,” who has a PS5 and not a smart phone? It’s just a pointless product. If I’m that desperate to play a PlayStation game, I’d just remote play on my ROG Ally or just go the few hours without that precious “gamer time”
I still don’t see how this has any advantage whatsoever over the Backbone.
Considering I have about a 5th of the recommended internet speed, I'm gonna say no for me.
In Australia my connection is 25mbts a second. Do you think it would still work?
The minimum recommended speed is 15mbps, so you should be fine!
@@GVG cool thanks
Wifi only though? I guess there's no lte or something like Vita?
Awsome video dude thankyou
Fantastic info regarding connecting in various places around your house. Can't wait for Wednesday.