Here's a vid talking about the Great Swamp and Chaos for a bit. Let me know what you think! Great Swamp lore has been barely covered so lets take a big fat step into the unknown. #CuculusIsBestGirl
Laurentius might be a bit anti-social but to say he's uncaring about others is rather unfair. He shares his pyromancy with you (which seems to be a part of himself) and he seems to care about the player character " Good bye then. Be safe, friend. Don't you dare go Hollow."
Great vid! Here's a tidbit: Pyromancy in the Japanese is called jujutsu (呪術) which means "witchcraft/shamanism" - that's why it's associated with witches and dudes who live in huts in the swamp. It literally reads like "curse-craft" - and in fact their predecessors, the Conjurators, are just called noroi-shi (呪い師) "Curse Users". I wonder if that implies Pyromancy has a closer connection to the Undead Curse than the other magics. Just a thought.
Good video, just wanted to point out that Pyromancer probably have multiple pupils, since in the game it is stated that Carima is Slamans best pupil. Being the best must mean that there were others aswell.
What if the Millwood Knights are a sec of nature channeling Pyro (or in their case Terra)mancers? It makes sense, they worship or are intune with nature, and are not as advanced as the rest of the world. Perhaps they have ties to the great swanp.
Matt Doe 2 years late to reply, but I think it's because he makes his clothes out of those. Pyromancers think it's a form of protection, kinda like barbarians or natives.
Finally someone doing lore on the pyromancers, my favorite class and my favorite tidbit of lore from the series; I'm very happy I've found your channel, you offer really great lore vids. Thank you!
I love the speculation you bring up through out the video for it gets everyone to produce their own theories and relay them to you. very well done cant wait for more lore.
I'm very surprised you do not have more likes/views/subs! The video is extremely informative, more so than most of the more popular lore TH-camr's videos I've seen!
Out of all the lore series' I watch, I find yours to be the most informing or at least helps me come to conclusions about theories with dark souls so thanks a million
It is very interesting how the Great Swamp is mentioned quite a lot and there are characters from there but no one has really done lore videos or talked about it too much. Great video, keep up the good work!
:D keep up the good work! Are you thinking of discussing the pilgrims? I've been wishing for a vid about them since I noticed how the cleric uniform has a little shell-like thing on the back, that and the statues showing their formation in the cathedral.
saedt I think so, yes. If the second DLC turns out to be about Londor I'll probably wait as it'll explain some more things, but if it's not about Londor then I'll do it earlier.
Your videos are amazing. It's always great to get more info about anything in this game, especially things that there aren't many good videos on. Have you considered making a video centered on the crystal sages and their influence on things in the series.
I think it's more likely that his own pupil is the one who imprisoned him. he refused to teach her certain pyromancies so she rebelled and set out on her own. she later returned to his cell to show that doesn't need him anymore. as to whether or not she took her own life, it's hard to say.
Could be those same pyromancies that drove our dear Laurentius (spell check and name check, haven't touched DS1 in ages) to hollowing. Basically the chaos pyromancies. I don't know, I'm just throwing an idea out there.
Excellent video, I love it when something usually ignored is finally covered, it makes me want to go out and find lore myself! Could you do a video on Nito, the Grave Wardens, and the tradition of the latter in areas affected by the undead
Awesome video! I too am surprised by the lack of lore videos covering the Great Swamp and its pyromancers... I never had any idea how much there was hidden in the game about them until I found this video. Thank you for sharing this! In regard to the Ghrus, they are described as "descendants of the acolytes of Farron Keep", making them followers/part of the Undead Legion, which makes me believe that they were once human, but became corrupted by the Abyss they were always situated so close to. It is possible they were taught pyromancies when they were still in their human state. The witches of Izalith are said to have taught the pyromancies to some humans, after all, and considering the Ghrus apparently know how to use Poison Mist, they may even have been taught by Eingyi?
I always doubted wether or not the ghru were made by the abyss or the chaos flame. The deeper you go, the bigger the ghru... the game never outright states anything about their actual descent.
remarkably refreshing as always! And great improvement of your editing, though you really need to tell me how you got that "cinematic" look, I mean it looks like you applied some bloodborn-like filter in pp and it defenetely looks fantastic! Big congrats for you 2.5 k subs, awesome job! :)
Hey mate, good to see you here. I've been using Cinematic Tools for DSIII which is a Cheat Engine table that allows the camera to move around and even use the controller to make for smooth movement. I hadn't noticed the Bloodborne-y filter until now but you're right. I'm using a SweetFX preset called "Revenant" so if you're on PC give it a try :) Thanks dude, onwards and upwards!
In retrospect it´s amazing how small the world of dark souls is like: everything seems to be bunched together on some kind of floating island: Lost Izalith, being covered by that giant bell structure, can be seen from the tomb of giants, Blighttown located between two massive mounds that separate it from New Londo, which appears to be built in an egg shaped cavity below the undead burg and the unnamed village visible from Firelink Shrine, which is located right above Blighttown so the two bells actually have some sort of vertical alignment (ironic that the place associated with filth and decay sit´s at the heart of the land of gods) And now the giant crater formation where Anor Londo once stood sank down having Irithyll at it´s bottom and through a hole not only access into another huge cave concealing the Profane Capital but also the smouldering lake being hidden away under a mountain in the other direction with Lothric Castle now holding the geographical position of the Dukes archives yet there is one thing I don´t get: When you travel to the edges of Lordan you see the surrounding landscape as if viewing it from somewhere really high up, with clouds and mist being the only thing beyond the huge mounds beyond the undead burg (just like in the ringed city) but when you travel or look at the edges of Lothric, all of a sudden you see the sea, mountains, no clouds, no endless mist, no archtrees down below does that mean that when the fire was linked first, the last stumps of the arch-trees holding up Lordran aloft eroded completely and dropped it down? It almost looks like the remains of Lordran are located behind Lothric Castle where Firelink shrine is - in the opposite direction to the Undead Settlement and Anor Londo, as if were we, in the first game, traveled around in the lands before the great mound with it and the archives always looming over us, then up the mound and straight into the cathedral of Anor Londo and now the journey starts at the previous position and height of the Archives on the rock formation that appears to be seemingly what´s left of the mound and travel all across the valley which we saw below Anor Londo previously, but that has now corroded and drifted apart due to the landmass possibly expanding horizontally? But that can´t be right, following that thesis is to imply that the rest of Lordran was drawn inwards, breaking down the mound and all the Lands of Farron, Carthus and others are by that string of though forced to have risen, existed, flourished and fallen on this incredibly small and narrow strip of land between Lothric and Anor Londo which is.... claustrophobia-inducing to say the least Then again societies did always seem to exist in really narrow places in Dark Souls, just look at blighttown and New Londo or the profaned Capital And if Lordran was ever aloft, how did people get into the damn place from the great swamp, Thorolund or anywhere? There are clear indications of a world existing outside Lordran already in the first game yet it seems to be located at the literal edge of the world or just really high up... I know this does not really have much to do with the topic in the video and I am probably very late for the party but those were the thoughts you raised in my head showing all that footage Such a small land but soo many shenanigans going on in it
The geography in DS1 was victim to the constraints of being a video game I believe. The world is very small and cramped together in order to keep the 'connected world' possible. Given absolute freedom I'm sure the world would be much more fleshed out. Izalith, Anor Londo and Undead Burg are all 'cities' but we only explore a tiny portion of them making them seem much smaller. In DS3 the different lands from which the lords of cinder come from are converging together due to the dying age of fire. They are not necessarily meant to be so close together or connected as the world has been changing. It's important to remember that while the lore is extremely fleshed out, From couldn't implement the same detail in the game world
I’m curious - Is it possible that the pyromancer’s Flame is not just a simple flame but an ACTUAL shard of the Lord Soul of the Witch of Izalith? (spelled wrong I’m sure) It’s at least part of the chaos flame for if it wasn’t, then it wouldn’t have been able to use chaos pyromancies, which are actually the original pyromancer spells. Before the chaos flame, the witches used staff catalysts to cast fire sorceries, an ancient art long lost and I’m surprised you didn’t mention it in the video for it’s an important detail that the original spells required a staff catalysts which was replaced with the flame. Also, isn’t it strange that the staff aligns with dark sorceries when it was original used for fire? Anyway, I’m more or less convinced the pyromancer flame is a demon flame (chaos) and/or has strong ties to the lord soul if not a broken shard.
Another great video. The witches of Izalith and all things to do with pyromancy and the great swamp is probably my favourite lore in the souls games. Have you heard the theory that Engyi was banished because his poison pyromancies are the reason the great swamp became poisonous in the first place? It makes perfect sense to me.
Hey, good to see you here again! I agree, it's fascinating stuff. The theory is definitely interesting and perhaps it did grow out of his control and poison the Swamp, however from Cornyx's dialogue we can sort of assume that the Great Swamp is still inhabited, so either the poison was extracted, it didn't bother them, or it was there all along. Difficult to say.
Another excellent lore video. As for the Ghru, it may be possible Eingyi was the one who taught them Pyromancy (or a pupil of his). The Ghru do after all use the banned pyromancies of Eingyi. It would also somewhat explain why there are Ghru in the Demon Ruins. Speculating that perhaps they traveled with Eingyi to seek out lost pyromancies as well.
Interesting. This would take us down the path of thought that the Ghru didn't contribute to the end of the Demons, at least at first, as they would have had to learn pyromancies in peace first, I imagine. Maybe the Demons invited in their own end.
+Mitch L I also doubt that the Ghru fought against the Demons. First they seem to have no problem to get along with the fire spitting demon and second the black knight (a demon hunter) attacks the Ghru. On a second note: could the four-armed Ghru be the result of crossbreeding with demons? This could explain the mutation as well as the fire afinity.
+David Gantenbein I agree that that are friendly with the demon statues but I did notice something recently about the multiple appendages. The normal Ghru actually have small arms sprouting from their back! You can see this on their corpses.
I have an interesting idea to try. Don't talk to cornyx, keep him in the cage, then go to demon ruins and summon the apprecience chick, and see what happens when you go back to the cage for her stuff
I don't understand how the teleporting mechanic fits into the lore. Why would the pyromancy teacher be trapped in the cage and his pupil committing suicide when not finding him in it, if he could just simple teleport out and be free again?`Same with Greirath...
I don't take that. Requiring a homeward bone in your inventory in order to give it to an npc if needed could have been a game mechanic if that is what is going on. My theory is this: Souls veterans are used to having freed npcs from dungeons and cells for years now, and we don't care about the minimalistic npc interactions...now that Dark Souls 3 is the biggest hit with the weidest audience (and most mediocre combat design), they figured they can't just have a recently from a cage freed npc just stand there and not walk away or whatever, so lets just have em teleport away, so the people don't think it's not AAA quality (I believe many game design choices where made this time with a wider audience in mind).
great video well edited and thorough, i was wondering about why the old lady (shop) in the firelink shrine was also at the darkened firelink shrine and is she really a goody because considering the amount of souls she receives from the players she must be the most powerful being there!
I saw another video about the lore of demons which suggests that the demons might have been the ones to teach pyromancies to the ghru. the idea comes from the supposition that the demons are trying to preserve their culture before dying out (evidenced by their statues in the smouldering lake) and that the ghru in the area appear aligned with the demons (they don't attack each other). Demons could have taught the Ghru pyromancies in exchange for their protection.
I could see that being a possibility, although pretty much the only pyromancy that normal ghru use is Poison mist, and not any fire pyromancy. The Shamans can do more, but still. Have you watched my video on the Demons? I essentially talk about the same thing.
Hey mitch I'm new to the souls series but i had a thought about your question of who taught the grus pyromancies. My thought was: it was Eingyi who taught the grus pyromancies and i have some loose evidence to prove it that is interesting. The Gru socerrors are called heretic sorcerors, much like Eingyi was called a heretic and they use the pyromancy toxic mist which he created. Just though i'd let you know
I always thought of her like beatrice, a sort of hedge sorceror. Tinfoil hat time: velka is described as a black haired witch with a wide range of influences. Truly, she has miracles and sorceries in her name, it would not surprise me she has pyromancies as well. There seems to be a form of witches unrelated to izalith that practice all forms of hedge magic. Velka uses the dark and thus humanity in most of these. My belief: the ds3 witch can learn these pyromancies because she, via the wide range of influences, is a bit of a jack of all trades when it comes to casting. And unlike any of the other teachers she has no qualm in using humanity.
Sorry for the years late answer. Also more interestingly miyazaki acknowledges that the darkmoon blades are based on a pagan religion that developed in isolation. If you believe that Velka is the darkmoon goddes... it only strengthens the line of thought :)
Another great video. Really enjoy the way you weave all the souls games together. Another youtuber (BlueLizardJello) pointed out that Cuculus is a genus of cuckoos. Not sure how relevant the choice of name is, but interesting.
Something I probably should have touched on is that Cornyx in Latin means "crow" and Cuculus relates to cuckoo birds. Pair this with the fact that Cornyx's set is adorned with raven feathers makes a link between both master and apprentice with birds. Unsure of what it could mean but cool nonetheless.
It's an interesting idea especially with the Old Sage's Blindfold "The large blindfold blocks out unnecessary light, allowing one to observe a pyromancy's true essence. The flame reveals all, and obscures all." could he not tell if Cuculus was a replacement because the "flame obscures all". Like I said, not really my idea BlueLizardJello, brought it up in his "Everything Possible" series
altershape I'd like to know if Cornyx is actually blind or something. Being blind might help him channel the flame in some way but impair general sight.
Everything regarding pyromancy in Dark Souls is so mesmerizing to me, great video! Some thoughts: Cornyx doesn't seem to be imprisoned against his will when you find him, and how would Cuculus know how to find him at such a remote location after she returns from the Demon Ruins? The word used for 'pyromancy' in the japanese versions of Dark Souls translate more accurate to something along the lines of 'Primal arts', not specifying fire. A good translation of this could be 'Hexes', especially as hexes in DS2 are called 'Dark arts' in the japanese version. I guess dark Pyromancies are possible for humans to cast, as humanity is Dark, so it is their primal nature. I think the witches taught humans the art of pyromancy to prevent history from repeating itself. Pyromancy is well centered around the need to fear the alluring flame. I wonder what would happen if a human tried to create a new Flame, just like the Witch did. Last wild thought; can Demons hollow?
Some very interesting thoughts! What I assumed is that maybe Cornyx and Cuculus were traveling as a pair, then Cornyx might have been taken by one of the big blokes with the cage on his back. Still, the evidence given on Cuculus is so small that it's hard to say anything decisively. I like how pyromancies are really at their base just different ways of channeling ones humanity. As for the Demon hollowing, in a way, I guess? The Taurus and Stray demons that are still alive in Dark Souls 3 are basically made of ash, and you can actually shatter the legs of the Stray demon to slow it down. I'm still working out my thoughts on each races relationship to the lord soul that they were born from. Might make a dedicated video on it at some point.
I always thought that it was odd that in DS1/2 pyromancies didn't directly require INT or FTH to use yet they changed it in DS3. Maybe that had something to do with their "primal nature", but the idea was scrapped in DS3.
I think you should really take a long thought over the Chaos / Deep theory i mentioned a few videos back. I'd be delighted to discuss it in a more efficient medium if ever you'd want to.
Personally I think Eingyi was shunned because he was creating Poison pyromancies and those were considered either too dangerous or cruel or perverse, or maybe just because they weren't considered "real"pyromancies because they didn't deal with fire. Maybe the reason he was able to create those spells was because he was already infected with the blight, so what was within him expressed itself in clouds of poison. Then, when he was shunned, he sought the Fair Lady, who saved his life.
Late reply but hey. The strange thing is the Great Swamp is riddled with poisonous hazards, thus the residents of that area must have been resistant to any poisonous Pyromancies as well. Either they were, as said in the video, afraid of innovative Pyromancies being created (take Warmth, which was only preserved in the Undead Crypt alongside the rare Soul Vortex Sorcery), or they were afraid of poisoning outsiders. If the latter was true, then that would imply the Great Swamp residents didn't wish to tarnish their (already terrible) reputation. This could be because they either wished for trade with the outside world like any reasonable group would (though again they were forced there, so I doubt it'd be a fair trade) or foolishly thought they may be later liked enough to able to return to their outside homes.
I think you should do a video of that one prisoner chick in irythill dungeon where she can teach you dark arts as there is very little known about her. also, gywnevere, the daughter of sunlight, married the flame god Flann. was he also a Pyro pyromancer? what role did he play aside from marrying gywnevere? what became of him?
Flann doesn't need to be a Pyromancer. DS1 states somewhere that there was an ancient fire magic before Pyromancy was invented. So not every fire caster needs to be a Pyromancer, specifically not when he descends from the first age of fire like Flann.
Also take into account that the Conjurator's Set talks about the "predecessors" to Pyromancers, meaning that a form of fire magic may have come before.
I’m watching these videos as I replay all from soft games after 609 hours of Elden ring. Can’t play it anymore. Why did you stop making videos? Your content is awesome. If you do read this, please start making videos again
Well made videos, just a little suggestion, it may be more interesting to the viewers to hear the quotes directly from the npc's and not from you, i know it will make these videos harder to make, but it gives variety to it, and it seems to work for other youtubers. :)
The fact you said "self actualization" makes me think of philosophical and spiritual journeys of the self and how suffering is always mentioned when talking about pyromancy, makes me think pyro would be strength of character?/ a type of charisma or will not necessarily or limited to extraversion. Either introverts who have gained internal strength or extroverts who learn how to always be humble could learn the pyromancy and its been honed by suffering which makes sense. Not talking initiative for the introverts and for extroverts regret i suppose. As not fearing the flame but being strong with the flame would mean having a big ego, being very powerful but then quickly burning up and destroying yourself. But you cant let the fire die out either like a candle in a snow storm. Its very interesting. In ds1 you didnt even need stat requirements essentially just souls (experience) but good experience from souls youve kept not ypur soul memory. As in making mistakes and mastering them or not making mistakes but not being inactive, taking on a challenge and coming out. Vs soul memory experience would be the equivalent of a boomer who has "been doing this for 40 years" but has nothing to show for it and still has poor technique. Which i think is interesting. Especially since describing what gives life "life" its described as that "spark". Which in relationships is used for the word "passion" "attraction" "love" etc but also seen as the "on" switch essence of breath. The will to live. Having "fight". Where blood and bloodborne symbolism would be having blood, which is another association with life like you are literally a vessel full of red liquid and red cheeks and lips are seen as healthy like snow white. And if you run out or spill too much youre literally dead. But if you have a brain (magic, intelligence, blue, cold, frozen, fixed, math) and you have a heart (body, blood, red, liquid, hp) and faith (wisdom? Belief, sky, yellow, electric, energy, ancient truth, ignorant of sciences, bigger picture) you can still not have the "will" to operate these things (fire, orange, red, dark? Warm, aethery-matter like, air, breath). It becomes more interesting and lines up more with the fact that i believe the blood in flammable in ds3? So theres 4 or 5 different cross duality sections. Light, dark, heat, cold - blood/matter. Or faith, pyro, magic - dark/faith/int (dark hits with physical) dark is definitely lore wise and in reality the most human element as it really is a mixture of all these things. In ds2 you have to have faith and intelligence to use dark hexes which as i suspected actually came from miracles. A dark miracle. And isnt visually like magic or miracle but is most like black flame. Many things in dark souls has also been described as "warm, dark, soft". The human is like the ultimate paradox to the nth degree. We are tied to the flame, belief, come from the dark are thinking and not an insect yet are somewhat parasitical (choas bug reference and likeness as well) but can also do good for our environment despite being parasitic if we choose. We need light to see, but not necessarily feel, which means we need flame, which destroys our flammable bodies, turning us to ash. The only way to do this is to have intelligence which is scorned by faith and to have ego/fire/will which is scorned by faith and intelligence and if you have too much or too little of literally any one of these things you will be destroyed quickly, or slowly a gradually. But were going to all die anyway. It is, without doubt 100% insanity inducing. You really need to try and capture the whole idea without words in your mind. Then i guess you would get the human, or dark souls. Which is actually very meta of the human experience on earth being a game created by humans giving critique? Of our own nature, trying to understand it, but in essence dividing it up and greying all the edges at the same time.
Obviously this is your opinion but your videos are really well made you should make videos on other games/topics to expand your channel Just a suggestion love your videos :)
Could it be that Cornix accidentally created the chaos demon we see in the Undead Settlement? The demon is quite far from home. That would be a good reason to lock him inside a cell.
Ehhh, I doubt it. The Bed of Chaos is very unique. The ability to create Demons, I think, requires the power of a Lord Soul. Same goes for the Stray Demon. We aren't sure how he got there but he is a guard.
Mitch L (Rubbing chin). The demons certainly have some kind of awareness of what they´re doing, we know that because The Capra Demon and Taurus Demon were sent to stop the Chosen Undead in DS1. So what was he doing there...? Could it be that he was trying to kill followers of the Deep since they worship the dark?
+Takezo Kimura The Demons are definitely sentient beings. They are a lot more intelligent than we assume. The Stray Demon guard is hard to talk about in clear objectivity. For instance, there is of course, 2 Taurus demons in the beginning of Dark Souls 1, presumably there to keep undead from escaping. We would assume that fulfilling the needs of the humans would not be high on their list of priorities, protecting their mother would. Cross this with the fact that we find Havels set next to the Stray Demon and the soul of the Demon can be used to make Havels ring, and we end up with more questions than answers.
Mitch L Maybe the Stray Demon(from DS3) killed the Havel Knight and accidentaly consumed his ring.There are cases were the enemy isn´t necessarily the thing he yields.For example Aldrich´s soul yields the Lifehunt Scythe miracle but that doesn´t mean he ate Priscilla(although for a time people speculated he did). The description says he dreamed about a hiding girl instead of eating said girl.
so basically the gru are the old pyromancers of the great swamp but something happened - possibly their use of poison mist from engiyni - causing them to become the creatures they r. cornyx never teaches either of engiyni's pyromancies, does he? I'm not sure so ull have to check. maybe that's the reason engiyni was banished.
by the way. I know farron keep is oolacile but is it the great swamp to because if my theory above is right, the old pyromancers are there and so is the swamp tome. yet i cant see how this fits with dark souls 1. ?
He's more related to Chaos, and Hawkshaws theory about him being a part of Izalith is interesting, however the theories about him are rooted in speculation, and it's hard to find the truth. I'm going to do a video on Rosaria's Fingers at some point in which I'll talk about Heysel, so Jerimiah will probably get some talking time there.
Me too. The only thing at the moment that I haven't said already is that the "angels" that Gertrude encountered might be Pilgrim Butterflies, the flying hollows that have sprouted wings, would would make the battle between the Kingdom of Lothric and the Angelic Faith would actually be a battle between the Kingdom of Lothric and the Sable Church of Londor, but it's hard to say.
+Mitch L Yeah that makes sense, I also think the little pilgrim guys are on a pilgrimage to become pilgrim butterflies, or to become dragons but end up as those things.
From what i learned last year in school,(High school student) it is about being one with nature; away from organized society. I think it originated in China during the Warring States Period as a way to find a solution to the conflict. From what I understand it is a personal journey in exclusion of modern society; following life where ever it may lead to.
Meh. I'd kick a guy out of my house if he was deliberately making poisons after all the work I did to defend against it. In my mind, Eingyi was kicked out not just for making these pyromancies but probably infecting someone like he himself was infected. Except, unlike him, the other victim didn't have a fair lady... or maybe they did... New head canon: Eingyi poisons Salaman and Carmina dies trying to burn the toxic out of him and her dying wish was to have him exiled. In her mind, it'd be simple. Eingyi was dying of the same toxin she was. He'd run around alone and afriad then die. Seems fun.
This is the biggest gripe I have with Dark Souls: for a series we’ll know for its *deepest lore* it is terrible for explaining anything to do with Pyromancy or demons, arguably the most intriguing story of the three original lords, the Witch of Izalith is terribly underdeveloped and is probably a result of rushed development. It also made the Bed of Chaos a dogshit boss.
i always hated the part that cornyx is not teaching quelaanas spells because he is male...... then in the darkmoon tomb, i found the reversal ring and immidiately thought that this must be the way to learn these spells, equiped it and talked to cornyx.... but nope... doesnt work :( that made me really sad back then
the question of who the Witch of Izalith partnered with to produce her children is a big one in my mind, and I think the lack of any hint of "his" identity is significant. I never thought of some type of asexual reproduction, but I think you may be on to something there. Perhaps the Witch's Lord soul allowed her to create other beings?
Well, in the Intro of DS1, when the Witch of Izalith get his Lord Soul, she had her daughters, so, unless the WoI used the Soul to create her descendants just after getting it, the daughters where born naturally.
I think it's fairly unimportant, in the same way that Gwyn's wife is unimportant. What matters is they existed at some point but had no major bearing on the story. alternately, sisters could be non-literal, as a way of referring to her followers rather than actual offspring. Is there any evidence of their being blood related outside of referring to one another as family?
Tom Goldberg Well, there's no evidence of the Witch being blood related with her daughters, but the daughters can be related, because they have a pretty similar name. Quelaag, Quelana, some people say that the Fair Lady is called Quelan (If that's right we have more evidence), and we know that usually the family names in DS are similar, like Gwyn, Gwynevere, Gwyndolin, (in DS2 the Daughters of Darkness have a "Na" in their names), Siegmeyer, Sieglinde, etc. So, after all, maybe the Witch is not related to the Daughters of Chaos, but the daughters maybe me related among them.
What if the humanity that was being given to the fair lady was not used to feed her, or empower her, but thru the power of the chaos flame change/corrupt the humanity into forming new demons.
again comming back with my theory about salaman. my believe is even bigger knowing that salaman had spells never thought to his pupil nor the play. again to me this applies more pressure to my theory that salaman is indeed the old demon king. knowing that the old demon king has spells we have never seem before. maybe the npc summon for old demon king ? I see to much signs of salaman as a whole here. let me know what you guys think. ps. before u scream at me about my salaman theory take a look at the lore episode before this I posted a comment about salaman and the rest of my theory. thank you for reading.
That's an interesting theory, but I think the chaos demons are their own entity. The forms quelaag and the fair lady have are from being twisted by the bed of chaos. Demons were spawned from the bed of chaos. I don't know of any humans who became chaos demons, though I might be forgetting something.
+Karshe Oberon maybe humans won't become demon's but maybe we don't know everything about the chaos flame. what if it can consume a human soul an twist it and malform it. but I know for sure that more wil come from the dlc. but I have been looking at this theory in detail and there is just alot to this theory that goes with the events of salaman and that time period. also if it's indeed quelana that can be found that one of the witches corpses holding the tomb, it's likely she stumbled upon the old king and because salaman was his only pupil this was hard on quelana. I think she didn't die because she chose to but because she had no other choise. again the flame was dying out so this could also be one of the reasons. if you look at her corpse so see her giving up kneeled in front of possibly the fair lady to have her final resting place. thank for reading. ofcourse comment your theory and share them.
I thought Carmina is a woman? Even if there is no specification on gender, such as pronouns or specific mentions of his/her gender, I think that her name alone, "Carmina", sounds femine and Carmina is widely referenced as a woman within the fanbase as far as I know. Just because a lot of people believe it doesn't make it true of course, but I think in this case we're right. Pyromancy seems to have been birthed by women, and it would only be fitting for a woman to revolutionise pyromancy by creating the first spell that uses self-actualisation of the flame.
Maybe so. I had heard Carmina actually referenced as a man, and his name in the code of Dark Souls I is "Prince_Izalith," (if you believe that the big wall spider monster thing in Blighttown is Carmina, there is proof for it). I just did it for conveniences' sake.
I might list a short list of amendments in the description. I didn't think that the series specifies whether it is a he or a she. I would have thought Alva, Seeker of the Spurned is a female name, but that's a guy.
+Mitch L well I'm just asking your thoughts on it, I always "assumed" it was a female. Also, good to note that Carmina is considered the most accomplished pupil of salaman so with that we know he had several pupils. When you referred to Carmina as male I automatically thought, "old withering frog" could be Carmina (Laurentis dialogue). The old sage blindfold in the catacombs could be Cuculus' since she already possess the whole cornyx set anyways and she is found within the ruins.
Laurentius might be a bit anti-social but to say he's uncaring about others is rather unfair.
He shares his pyromancy with you (which seems to be a part of himself) and he seems to care about the player character " Good bye then. Be safe, friend. Don't you dare go Hollow."
If I remember right, the passing of the pyro catalyst is in essence passing on a part of one's self
Great vid! Here's a tidbit: Pyromancy in the Japanese is called jujutsu (呪術) which means "witchcraft/shamanism" - that's why it's associated with witches and dudes who live in huts in the swamp. It literally reads like "curse-craft" - and in fact their predecessors, the Conjurators, are just called noroi-shi (呪い師) "Curse Users". I wonder if that implies Pyromancy has a closer connection to the Undead Curse than the other magics. Just a thought.
Interesting! Thanks for letting me know :)
Copydot That make sense, since in the game, Fire and Dark scales in the same way, INT/FTH
I think they're taking a chunk of their dark soul lighting it on fire and throwing it at you
Jujutsu kaisen
Good video, just wanted to point out that Pyromancer probably have multiple pupils, since in the game it is stated that Carima is Slamans best pupil. Being the best must mean that there were others aswell.
Next video will be on Ornstein and his role in Dark Souls III, or perhaps Archdragon Peak as a whole.
Life about mimics????
What if the Millwood Knights are a sec of nature channeling Pyro (or in their case Terra)mancers? It makes sense, they worship or are intune with nature, and are not as advanced as the rest of the world. Perhaps they have ties to the great swanp.
Thank you so much for these dude!
Very thorough. Any insight as to why there are animal corpses and dead crows all around Cornyx's rug in the Firelink Shrine? Are those his snacks?
Matt Doe 2 years late to reply, but I think it's because he makes his clothes out of those. Pyromancers think it's a form of protection, kinda like barbarians or natives.
Finally someone doing lore on the pyromancers, my favorite class and my favorite tidbit of lore from the series; I'm very happy I've found your channel, you offer really great lore vids. Thank you!
Omg, it's a Drinky Crow! My the fires never fade for you.
Happy to help!
Could it be possible Eingyi taught the Ghru? He was a servant of chaos and he did create the poison mist spell
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I am going through my 4th playthrough and I am listening your videos at the same time. Its fascinating !
I love the speculation you bring up through out the video for it gets everyone to produce their own theories and relay them to you. very well done cant wait for more lore.
Thank you! I may be talking about Ornstein for my next video.
I'm very surprised you do not have more likes/views/subs! The video is extremely informative, more so than most of the more popular lore TH-camr's videos I've seen!
Out of all the lore series' I watch, I find yours to be the most informing or at least helps me come to conclusions about theories with dark souls so thanks a million
Thanks man! That means a lot. There will be some Bloodborne content coming up as well so look forward to that.
Keep the good videos coming. I'm addicted to lore videos and yours are good quality.
Many more to come in the future as well :) and thank you!
Keep up the good work mate, the production values are excellent in these videos.
Cheers mate!
So underrated.. You deserve much more views/Subs
It is very interesting how the Great Swamp is mentioned quite a lot and there are characters from there but no one has really done lore videos or talked about it too much. Great video, keep up the good work!
Your videos are really good and well done! Keep up the awesome work dude!
Thank you!
More great video's! your content is great. keep it coming!
Great video. You content is always getting better.
Good to see you here again, and thanks!
Dude you go in depth, definitely one of the best Dark Souls lore channels. I cant believe I've missed your work!
Glad to have you!
:D keep up the good work! Are you thinking of discussing the pilgrims? I've been wishing for a vid about them since I noticed how the cleric uniform has a little shell-like thing on the back, that and the statues showing their formation in the cathedral.
saedt I think so, yes. If the second DLC turns out to be about Londor I'll probably wait as it'll explain some more things, but if it's not about Londor then I'll do it earlier.
Ooh I hope it is :D
Your videos are amazing. It's always great to get more info about anything in this game, especially things that there aren't many good videos on. Have you considered making a video centered on the crystal sages and their influence on things in the series.
I have, especially on why they split between the Farron Swamp and the Grand Archives. This will hopefully be a fully-fledged video at some point.
I think it's more likely that his own pupil is the one who imprisoned him. he refused to teach her certain pyromancies so she rebelled and set out on her own. she later returned to his cell to show that doesn't need him anymore. as to whether or not she took her own life, it's hard to say.
Could be those same pyromancies that drove our dear Laurentius (spell check and name check, haven't touched DS1 in ages) to hollowing. Basically the chaos pyromancies. I don't know, I'm just throwing an idea out there.
Excellent video, I love it when something usually ignored is finally covered, it makes me want to go out and find lore myself! Could you do a video on Nito, the Grave Wardens, and the tradition of the latter in areas affected by the undead
That's an idea I hadn't considered yet, I'll add it to the list! and thank you.
Awesome video! I too am surprised by the lack of lore videos covering the Great Swamp and its pyromancers... I never had any idea how much there was hidden in the game about them until I found this video. Thank you for sharing this!
In regard to the Ghrus, they are described as "descendants of the acolytes of Farron Keep", making them followers/part of the Undead Legion, which makes me believe that they were once human, but became corrupted by the Abyss they were always situated so close to. It is possible they were taught pyromancies when they were still in their human state. The witches of Izalith are said to have taught the pyromancies to some humans, after all, and considering the Ghrus apparently know how to use Poison Mist, they may even have been taught by Eingyi?
I always doubted wether or not the ghru were made by the abyss or the chaos flame. The deeper you go, the bigger the ghru... the game never outright states anything about their actual descent.
Really good video, and some really interesting speculation. Hopefully the upcoming DLC will provide more evidence.
Hope so! and thanks!
love your videos. making my love DS more and more. :-)
Great video again!
Good stuff man, really good and interesting. Looking forward to more. And thank you for posting.
Thank you, I really appreciate it!
This channel is so good at making lore videos, it's a shame you don't get more views. Keep at it!
Thanks!
This was awesome!
Good job, that was pretty interesting. I wasn't even considering all the lore involved with pyromancies.
Good stuff man, i would like to see a videi about ludleth, its pretty interesting and nobody has done it yet!
I'll consider it, for sure!
Awesome video!keep with good work! :)
Thank you!
remarkably refreshing as always! And great improvement of your editing, though you really need to tell me how you got that "cinematic" look, I mean it looks like you applied some bloodborn-like filter in pp and it defenetely looks fantastic! Big congrats for you 2.5 k subs, awesome job! :)
Hey mate, good to see you here. I've been using Cinematic Tools for DSIII which is a Cheat Engine table that allows the camera to move around and even use the controller to make for smooth movement. I hadn't noticed the Bloodborne-y filter until now but you're right. I'm using a SweetFX preset called "Revenant" so if you're on PC give it a try :) Thanks dude, onwards and upwards!
nice thank you, definitely need to give it a try :D
amazing videos!!
In retrospect it´s amazing how small the world of dark souls is
like: everything seems to be bunched together on some kind of floating island:
Lost Izalith, being covered by that giant bell structure, can be seen from the tomb of giants, Blighttown located between two massive mounds that separate it from New Londo, which appears to be built in an egg shaped cavity below the undead burg and the unnamed village visible from Firelink Shrine, which is located right above Blighttown so the two bells actually have some sort of vertical alignment (ironic that the place associated with filth and decay sit´s at the heart of the land of gods)
And now the giant crater formation where Anor Londo once stood sank down having Irithyll at it´s bottom and through a hole not only access into another huge cave concealing the Profane Capital but also the smouldering lake being hidden away under a mountain in the other direction with Lothric Castle now holding the geographical position of the Dukes archives
yet there is one thing I don´t get:
When you travel to the edges of Lordan you see the surrounding landscape as if viewing it from somewhere really high up, with clouds and mist being the only thing beyond the huge mounds beyond the undead burg (just like in the ringed city)
but when you travel or look at the edges of Lothric, all of a sudden you see the sea, mountains, no clouds, no endless mist, no archtrees down below
does that mean that when the fire was linked first, the last stumps of the arch-trees holding up Lordran aloft eroded completely and dropped it down? It almost looks like the remains of Lordran are located behind Lothric Castle where Firelink shrine is - in the opposite direction to the Undead Settlement and Anor Londo, as if were we, in the first game, traveled around in the lands before the great mound with it and the archives always looming over us, then up the mound and straight into the cathedral of Anor Londo and now the journey starts at the previous position and height of the Archives on the rock formation that appears to be seemingly what´s left of the mound and travel all across the valley which we saw below Anor Londo previously, but that has now corroded and drifted apart due to the landmass possibly expanding horizontally? But that can´t be right, following that thesis is to imply that the rest of Lordran was drawn inwards, breaking down the mound and all the Lands of Farron, Carthus and others are by that string of though forced to have risen, existed, flourished and fallen on this incredibly small and narrow strip of land between Lothric and Anor Londo which is.... claustrophobia-inducing to say the least
Then again societies did always seem to exist in really narrow places in Dark Souls, just look at blighttown and New Londo or the profaned Capital
And if Lordran was ever aloft, how did people get into the damn place from the great swamp, Thorolund or anywhere? There are clear indications of a world existing outside Lordran already in the first game yet it seems to be located at the literal edge of the world or just really high up...
I know this does not really have much to do with the topic in the video and I am probably very late for the party but those were the thoughts you raised in my head showing all that footage
Such a small land but soo many shenanigans going on in it
The geography in DS1 was victim to the constraints of being a video game I believe. The world is very small and cramped together in order to keep the 'connected world' possible. Given absolute freedom I'm sure the world would be much more fleshed out. Izalith, Anor Londo and Undead Burg are all 'cities' but we only explore a tiny portion of them making them seem much smaller.
In DS3 the different lands from which the lords of cinder come from are converging together due to the dying age of fire. They are not necessarily meant to be so close together or connected as the world has been changing.
It's important to remember that while the lore is extremely fleshed out, From couldn't implement the same detail in the game world
I’m curious - Is it possible that the pyromancer’s Flame is not just a simple flame but an ACTUAL shard of the Lord Soul of the Witch of Izalith? (spelled wrong I’m sure)
It’s at least part of the chaos flame for if it wasn’t, then it wouldn’t have been able to use chaos pyromancies, which are actually the original pyromancer spells.
Before the chaos flame, the witches used staff catalysts to cast fire sorceries, an ancient art long lost and I’m surprised you didn’t mention it in the video for it’s an important detail that the original spells required a staff catalysts which was replaced with the flame. Also, isn’t it strange that the staff aligns with dark sorceries when it was original used for fire?
Anyway, I’m more or less convinced the pyromancer flame is a demon flame (chaos) and/or has strong ties to the lord soul if not a broken shard.
thank you for teaching me more about my home the grate swamp,😊
Another great video. The witches of Izalith and all things to do with pyromancy and the great swamp is probably my favourite lore in the souls games. Have you heard the theory that Engyi was banished because his poison pyromancies are the reason the great swamp became poisonous in the first place? It makes perfect sense to me.
Hey, good to see you here again! I agree, it's fascinating stuff. The theory is definitely interesting and perhaps it did grow out of his control and poison the Swamp, however from Cornyx's dialogue we can sort of assume that the Great Swamp is still inhabited, so either the poison was extracted, it didn't bother them, or it was there all along. Difficult to say.
It's still poisoned though, I guess they still live there because they have no place else to go and must have gotten used to the conditions.
Great review thank you so much, one sub more!
Epic as always :)
Thanks dude!
Another excellent lore video. As for the Ghru, it may be possible Eingyi was the one who taught them Pyromancy (or a pupil of his). The Ghru do after all use the banned pyromancies of Eingyi. It would also somewhat explain why there are Ghru in the Demon Ruins. Speculating that perhaps they traveled with Eingyi to seek out lost pyromancies as well.
Interesting. This would take us down the path of thought that the Ghru didn't contribute to the end of the Demons, at least at first, as they would have had to learn pyromancies in peace first, I imagine. Maybe the Demons invited in their own end.
+Mitch L I also doubt that the Ghru fought against the Demons. First they seem to have no problem to get along with the fire spitting demon and second the black knight (a demon hunter) attacks the Ghru. On a second note: could the four-armed Ghru be the result of crossbreeding with demons? This could explain the mutation as well as the fire afinity.
+David Gantenbein I agree that that are friendly with the demon statues but I did notice something recently about the multiple appendages. The normal Ghru actually have small arms sprouting from their back! You can see this on their corpses.
I think the Gru learned pyromancy from Eyingi*, since they also use poison mist etc.
I have an interesting idea to try. Don't talk to cornyx, keep him in the cage, then go to demon ruins and summon the apprecience chick, and see what happens when you go back to the cage for her stuff
Mitch L, the spotted whip is the poison one. Notched is the bleed one from the cathedral of the deep.
I read the thumbnail as corny the great swampy. I think i need to go to bed.
I don't understand how the teleporting mechanic fits into the lore. Why would the pyromancy teacher be trapped in the cage and his pupil committing suicide when not finding him in it, if he could just simple teleport out and be free again?`Same with Greirath...
I don't take that. Requiring a homeward bone in your inventory in order to give it to an npc if needed could have been a game mechanic if that is what is going on. My theory is this: Souls veterans are used to having freed npcs from dungeons and cells for years now, and we don't care about the minimalistic npc interactions...now that Dark Souls 3 is the biggest hit with the weidest audience (and most mediocre combat design), they figured they can't just have a recently from a cage freed npc just stand there and not walk away or whatever, so lets just have em teleport away, so the people don't think it's not AAA quality (I believe many game design choices where made this time with a wider audience in mind).
I think teleportation is used more as a story item,I’m not gonna watch these characters try to slay hoards just to get to firelink
Mitch, were some of the top pieces of clothing you used in the video mods? I don't recall many of them aside from Cornyx's set and the Robe of Prayer.
great video well edited and thorough, i was wondering about why the old lady (shop) in the firelink shrine was also at the darkened firelink shrine and is she really a goody because considering the amount of souls she receives from the players she must be the most powerful being there!
I might do a fire link shrine vid in the future discussing her.
And thank you!
Wouldn't it be cool if they made a subseries of games about the smaller regions?
Cool video :)
Thank you!
Hi, could you please elucidate what tracks you used for second half of your video? It adds great atmosphere to your narrative :).
I'll check when I get home :) They are basically a mish-mash of Grimdark-sounding tracks but I'll find out the exact titles when I can.
Love this video. My current character is a Pyromancer
Anyone know the name of the middle eastern style track when mitch talks about cuculus?
So would the Desert Pyromancers also be an offshoot of the Izalith pyromancy like Carthus?
I find it interesting that they mention hinterlands, reminds me of hintertomb from bloodborne
I came here to learn about the crosses in the swamp. Does anyone know why they take that shape?
I saw another video about the lore of demons which suggests that the demons might have been the ones to teach pyromancies to the ghru. the idea comes from the supposition that the demons are trying to preserve their culture before dying out (evidenced by their statues in the smouldering lake) and that the ghru in the area appear aligned with the demons (they don't attack each other). Demons could have taught the Ghru pyromancies in exchange for their protection.
I could see that being a possibility, although pretty much the only pyromancy that normal ghru use is Poison mist, and not any fire pyromancy. The Shamans can do more, but still. Have you watched my video on the Demons? I essentially talk about the same thing.
Hey mitch I'm new to the souls series but i had a thought about your question of who taught the grus pyromancies. My thought was: it was Eingyi who taught the grus pyromancies and i have some loose evidence to prove it that is interesting. The Gru socerrors are called heretic sorcerors, much like Eingyi was called a heretic and they use the pyromancy toxic mist which he created. Just though i'd let you know
It's definitely a possibility! I like the theory.
I’m in Love with The Witch of Izalith ❤️
What about the witch the teaches you the dark pyros Cornyx won't take? Is she connected to izalith or the swamp?
I always thought of her like beatrice, a sort of hedge sorceror. Tinfoil hat time: velka is described as a black haired witch with a wide range of influences. Truly, she has miracles and sorceries in her name, it would not surprise me she has pyromancies as well. There seems to be a form of witches unrelated to izalith that practice all forms of hedge magic. Velka uses the dark and thus humanity in most of these. My belief: the ds3 witch can learn these pyromancies because she, via the wide range of influences, is a bit of a jack of all trades when it comes to casting. And unlike any of the other teachers she has no qualm in using humanity.
Sorry for the years late answer. Also more interestingly miyazaki acknowledges that the darkmoon blades are based on a pagan religion that developed in isolation. If you believe that Velka is the darkmoon goddes... it only strengthens the line of thought :)
Great video. You must have really put some time into it.
Indeed! But they're a lot of fun to make and the lore community is (mostly) a good one to cater to.
Another great video. Really enjoy the way you weave all the souls games together. Another youtuber (BlueLizardJello) pointed out that Cuculus is a genus of cuckoos. Not sure how relevant the choice of name is, but interesting.
Something I probably should have touched on is that Cornyx in Latin means "crow" and Cuculus relates to cuckoo birds. Pair this with the fact that Cornyx's set is adorned with raven feathers makes a link between both master and apprentice with birds. Unsure of what it could mean but cool nonetheless.
Some species of cuckoos place their eggs in another birds nest. Maybe Cuculus replaced Cornyx's real apprentice?
altershape Now wouldn't that be interesting. You might be onto something here.
It's an interesting idea especially with the Old Sage's Blindfold "The large blindfold blocks out unnecessary light, allowing one to observe a pyromancy's true essence. The flame reveals all, and obscures all." could he not tell if Cuculus was a replacement because the "flame obscures all". Like I said, not really my idea BlueLizardJello, brought it up in his "Everything Possible" series
altershape I'd like to know if Cornyx is actually blind or something. Being blind might help him channel the flame in some way but impair general sight.
Everything regarding pyromancy in Dark Souls is so mesmerizing to me, great video!
Some thoughts:
Cornyx doesn't seem to be imprisoned against his will when you find him, and how would Cuculus know how to find him at such a remote location after she returns from the Demon Ruins?
The word used for 'pyromancy' in the japanese versions of Dark Souls translate more accurate to something along the lines of 'Primal arts', not specifying fire. A good translation of this could be 'Hexes', especially as hexes in DS2 are called 'Dark arts' in the japanese version. I guess dark Pyromancies are possible for humans to cast, as humanity is Dark, so it is their primal nature.
I think the witches taught humans the art of pyromancy to prevent history from repeating itself. Pyromancy is well centered around the need to fear the alluring flame. I wonder what would happen if a human tried to create a new Flame, just like the Witch did.
Last wild thought; can Demons hollow?
Some very interesting thoughts! What I assumed is that maybe Cornyx and Cuculus were traveling as a pair, then Cornyx might have been taken by one of the big blokes with the cage on his back. Still, the evidence given on Cuculus is so small that it's hard to say anything decisively. I like how pyromancies are really at their base just different ways of channeling ones humanity.
As for the Demon hollowing, in a way, I guess? The Taurus and Stray demons that are still alive in Dark Souls 3 are basically made of ash, and you can actually shatter the legs of the Stray demon to slow it down. I'm still working out my thoughts on each races relationship to the lord soul that they were born from. Might make a dedicated video on it at some point.
I always thought that it was odd that in DS1/2 pyromancies didn't directly require INT or FTH to use yet they changed it in DS3. Maybe that had something to do with their "primal nature", but the idea was scrapped in DS3.
I think you should really take a long thought over the Chaos / Deep theory i mentioned a few videos back. I'd be delighted to discuss it in a more efficient medium if ever you'd want to.
@@davidnoel2893 it could be a balance thing, ds3 does appear to be less gimmicky in it's design the it's preducessors.
Isn't the witches ring just the orange charred ring from ds1? They look exactly the same.
Personally I think Eingyi was shunned because he was creating Poison pyromancies and those were considered either too dangerous or cruel or perverse, or maybe just because they weren't considered "real"pyromancies because they didn't deal with fire. Maybe the reason he was able to create those spells was because he was already infected with the blight, so what was within him expressed itself in clouds of poison. Then, when he was shunned, he sought the Fair Lady, who saved his life.
Late reply but hey. The strange thing is the Great Swamp is riddled with poisonous hazards, thus the residents of that area must have been resistant to any poisonous Pyromancies as well. Either they were, as said in the video, afraid of innovative Pyromancies being created (take Warmth, which was only preserved in the Undead Crypt alongside the rare Soul Vortex Sorcery), or they were afraid of poisoning outsiders.
If the latter was true, then that would imply the Great Swamp residents didn't wish to tarnish their (already terrible) reputation. This could be because they either wished for trade with the outside world like any reasonable group would (though again they were forced there, so I doubt it'd be a fair trade) or foolishly thought they may be later liked enough to able to return to their outside homes.
I think you should do a video of that one prisoner chick in irythill dungeon where she can teach you dark arts as there is very little known about her. also, gywnevere, the daughter of sunlight, married the flame god Flann. was he also a Pyro pyromancer? what role did he play aside from marrying gywnevere? what became of him?
Flann doesn't need to be a Pyromancer. DS1 states somewhere that there was an ancient fire magic before Pyromancy was invented. So not every fire caster needs to be a Pyromancer, specifically not when he descends from the first age of fire like Flann.
Also take into account that the Conjurator's Set talks about the "predecessors" to Pyromancers, meaning that a form of fire magic may have come before.
I’m watching these videos as I replay all from soft games after 609 hours of Elden ring. Can’t play it anymore. Why did you stop making videos? Your content is awesome. If you do read this, please start making videos again
Well made videos, just a little suggestion, it may be more interesting to the viewers to hear the quotes directly from the npc's and not from you, i know it will make these videos harder to make, but it gives variety to it, and it seems to work for other youtubers. :)
Thanks for the feedback! If you check my latest videos, I've been doing that now, and I agree it's a big improvement :)
that's exactly what i'm doing right now xD
whats that armor set you have in the original dark souls?
I believe in the shots when I'm talking to Eingyi its Armour of a Lord which is Gwyns armour.
The fact you said "self actualization" makes me think of philosophical and spiritual journeys of the self and how suffering is always mentioned when talking about pyromancy, makes me think pyro would be strength of character?/ a type of charisma or will not necessarily or limited to extraversion. Either introverts who have gained internal strength or extroverts who learn how to always be humble could learn the pyromancy and its been honed by suffering which makes sense. Not talking initiative for the introverts and for extroverts regret i suppose. As not fearing the flame but being strong with the flame would mean having a big ego, being very powerful but then quickly burning up and destroying yourself. But you cant let the fire die out either like a candle in a snow storm. Its very interesting. In ds1 you didnt even need stat requirements essentially just souls (experience) but good experience from souls youve kept not ypur soul memory. As in making mistakes and mastering them or not making mistakes but not being inactive, taking on a challenge and coming out. Vs soul memory experience would be the equivalent of a boomer who has "been doing this for 40 years" but has nothing to show for it and still has poor technique. Which i think is interesting. Especially since describing what gives life "life" its described as that "spark". Which in relationships is used for the word "passion" "attraction" "love" etc but also seen as the "on" switch essence of breath. The will to live. Having "fight". Where blood and bloodborne symbolism would be having blood, which is another association with life like you are literally a vessel full of red liquid and red cheeks and lips are seen as healthy like snow white. And if you run out or spill too much youre literally dead. But if you have a brain (magic, intelligence, blue, cold, frozen, fixed, math) and you have a heart (body, blood, red, liquid, hp) and faith (wisdom? Belief, sky, yellow, electric, energy, ancient truth, ignorant of sciences, bigger picture) you can still not have the "will" to operate these things (fire, orange, red, dark? Warm, aethery-matter like, air, breath). It becomes more interesting and lines up more with the fact that i believe the blood in flammable in ds3? So theres 4 or 5 different cross duality sections. Light, dark, heat, cold - blood/matter. Or faith, pyro, magic - dark/faith/int (dark hits with physical) dark is definitely lore wise and in reality the most human element as it really is a mixture of all these things. In ds2 you have to have faith and intelligence to use dark hexes which as i suspected actually came from miracles. A dark miracle. And isnt visually like magic or miracle but is most like black flame. Many things in dark souls has also been described as "warm, dark, soft". The human is like the ultimate paradox to the nth degree. We are tied to the flame, belief, come from the dark are thinking and not an insect yet are somewhat parasitical (choas bug reference and likeness as well) but can also do good for our environment despite being parasitic if we choose. We need light to see, but not necessarily feel, which means we need flame, which destroys our flammable bodies, turning us to ash. The only way to do this is to have intelligence which is scorned by faith and to have ego/fire/will which is scorned by faith and intelligence and if you have too much or too little of literally any one of these things you will be destroyed quickly, or slowly a gradually. But were going to all die anyway. It is, without doubt 100% insanity inducing. You really need to try and capture the whole idea without words in your mind. Then i guess you would get the human, or dark souls. Which is actually very meta of the human experience on earth being a game created by humans giving critique? Of our own nature, trying to understand it, but in essence dividing it up and greying all the edges at the same time.
Obviously this is your opinion but your videos are really well made you should make videos on other games/topics to expand your channel
Just a suggestion love your videos :)
Thanks man! I will have to at some point because eventually Dark Souls lore will dry up.
I think you meant to say Carthas had CONvergent evolution of pyromancy, not DIvergent.
Good video man but its the "Spotted Whip" not the "Notched Whip" :)
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I've made an annotation fixing this :)
6:55 what body armour are you using in ds1 ? it looks amazing and also good lore video :)
Gwyns set. I think it's called the lords set or something. Buy it from Zena outside the gaping dragon arena. It might only be available in NG+
Thanks!
Mitch L Thank you :)
Are you going to make a video about the Ghru?
Could it be that Cornix accidentally created the chaos demon we see in the Undead Settlement? The demon is quite far from home. That would be a good reason to lock him inside a cell.
Ehhh, I doubt it. The Bed of Chaos is very unique. The ability to create Demons, I think, requires the power of a Lord Soul. Same goes for the Stray Demon. We aren't sure how he got there but he is a guard.
Mitch L (Rubbing chin). The demons certainly have some kind of awareness of what they´re doing, we know that because The Capra Demon and Taurus Demon were sent to stop the Chosen Undead in DS1. So what was he doing there...? Could it be that he was trying to kill followers of the Deep since they worship the dark?
+Takezo Kimura The Demons are definitely sentient beings. They are a lot more intelligent than we assume. The Stray Demon guard is hard to talk about in clear objectivity. For instance, there is of course, 2 Taurus demons in the beginning of Dark Souls 1, presumably there to keep undead from escaping. We would assume that fulfilling the needs of the humans would not be high on their list of priorities, protecting their mother would. Cross this with the fact that we find Havels set next to the Stray Demon and the soul of the Demon can be used to make Havels ring, and we end up with more questions than answers.
Mitch L Maybe the Stray Demon(from DS3) killed the Havel Knight and accidentaly consumed his ring.There are cases were the enemy isn´t necessarily the thing he yields.For example Aldrich´s soul yields the Lifehunt Scythe miracle but that doesn´t mean he ate Priscilla(although for a time people speculated he did). The description says he dreamed about a hiding girl instead of eating said girl.
so basically the gru are the old pyromancers of the great swamp but something happened - possibly their use of poison mist from engiyni - causing them to become the creatures they r. cornyx never teaches either of engiyni's pyromancies, does he? I'm not sure so ull have to check. maybe that's the reason engiyni was banished.
by the way. I know farron keep is oolacile but is it the great swamp to because if my theory above is right, the old pyromancers are there and so is the swamp tome. yet i cant see how this fits with dark souls 1. ?
Cornyx does teach Poison Mist if given the Great Swamp pyromancy tome.
Shame.
But with the fluidity of time in Lordran that two hundred years should be taken with a grain of salt, yes?
Precisely. To be honest, I wish that From Soft would specify where that definition begins and ends, however.
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so the great swamp can be blighttown?
Nah, I mean you don't encounter great swamp pyromancers which is odd, you only encounter pyromancers that aren't from there
Where do you think Xanthous King Jeremiah fits into things. He uses Pyromancies too. Unless he's entirely unrelated.
He's more related to Chaos, and Hawkshaws theory about him being a part of Izalith is interesting, however the theories about him are rooted in speculation, and it's hard to find the truth. I'm going to do a video on Rosaria's Fingers at some point in which I'll talk about Heysel, so Jerimiah will probably get some talking time there.
That's cool. I wanna know more about the angelic faith.
Me too. The only thing at the moment that I haven't said already is that the "angels" that Gertrude encountered might be Pilgrim Butterflies, the flying hollows that have sprouted wings, would would make the battle between the Kingdom of Lothric and the Angelic Faith would actually be a battle between the Kingdom of Lothric and the Sable Church of Londor, but it's hard to say.
+Mitch L Yeah that makes sense, I also think the little pilgrim guys are on a pilgrimage to become pilgrim butterflies, or to become dragons but end up as those things.
+Mitch L Aren't the angels the 3 winged knights?
So Pyromancy is similar to Daoism/Taoism in a way?
How do you mean? I don't know a whole lot about Daoism/Taoism.
From what i learned last year in school,(High school student) it is about being one with nature; away from organized society. I think it originated in China during the Warring States Period as a way to find a solution to the conflict. From what I understand it is a personal journey in exclusion of modern society; following life where ever it may lead to.
+Luiz Nanini Then I would agree with you and say they are very comparable ideologies.
Nah, I just the wall and there she was.
Meh. I'd kick a guy out of my house if he was deliberately making poisons after all the work I did to defend against it. In my mind, Eingyi was kicked out not just for making these pyromancies but probably infecting someone like he himself was infected. Except, unlike him, the other victim didn't have a fair lady... or maybe they did...
New head canon: Eingyi poisons Salaman and Carmina dies trying to burn the toxic out of him and her dying wish was to have him exiled. In her mind, it'd be simple. Eingyi was dying of the same toxin she was. He'd run around alone and afriad then die. Seems fun.
I was under the impression that Carmina was a she, though I don't have any evidence for that.
Is it stated somewhere?
This is the biggest gripe I have with Dark Souls: for a series we’ll know for its *deepest lore* it is terrible for explaining anything to do with Pyromancy or demons, arguably the most intriguing story of the three original lords, the Witch of Izalith is terribly underdeveloped and is probably a result of rushed development. It also made the Bed of Chaos a dogshit boss.
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i always hated the part that cornyx is not teaching quelaanas spells because he is male...... then in the darkmoon tomb, i found the reversal ring and immidiately thought that this must be the way to learn these spells, equiped it and talked to cornyx.... but nope... doesnt work :( that made me really sad back then
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the question of who the Witch of Izalith partnered with to produce her children is a big one in my mind, and I think the lack of any hint of "his" identity is significant. I never thought of some type of asexual reproduction, but I think you may be on to something there. Perhaps the Witch's Lord soul allowed her to create other beings?
Well, in the Intro of DS1, when the Witch of Izalith get his Lord Soul, she had her daughters, so, unless the WoI used the Soul to create her descendants just after getting it, the daughters where born naturally.
I think it's fairly unimportant, in the same way that Gwyn's wife is unimportant. What matters is they existed at some point but had no major bearing on the story.
alternately, sisters could be non-literal, as a way of referring to her followers rather than actual offspring. Is there any evidence of their being blood related outside of referring to one another as family?
Tom Goldberg Well, there's no evidence of the Witch being blood related with her daughters, but the daughters can be related, because they have a pretty similar name. Quelaag, Quelana, some people say that the Fair Lady is called Quelan (If that's right we have more evidence), and we know that usually the family names in DS are similar, like Gwyn, Gwynevere, Gwyndolin, (in DS2 the Daughters of Darkness have a "Na" in their names), Siegmeyer, Sieglinde, etc. So, after all, maybe the Witch is not related to the Daughters of Chaos, but the daughters maybe me related among them.
What if the humanity that was being given to the fair lady was not used to feed her, or empower her, but thru the power of the chaos flame change/corrupt the humanity into forming new demons.
again comming back with my theory about salaman.
my believe is even bigger knowing that salaman had spells never thought to his pupil nor the play.
again to me this applies more pressure to my theory that salaman is indeed the old demon king. knowing that the old demon king has spells we have never seem before. maybe the npc summon for old demon king ? I see to much signs of salaman as a whole here.
let me know what you guys think.
ps. before u scream at me about my salaman theory take a look at the lore episode before this I posted a comment about salaman and the rest of my theory.
thank you for reading.
That's an interesting theory, but I think the chaos demons are their own entity. The forms quelaag and the fair lady have are from being twisted by the bed of chaos. Demons were spawned from the bed of chaos. I don't know of any humans who became chaos demons, though I might be forgetting something.
+Karshe Oberon maybe humans won't become demon's but maybe we don't know everything about the chaos flame. what if it can consume a human soul an twist it and malform it. but I know for sure that more wil come from the dlc. but I have been looking at this theory in detail and there is just alot to this theory that goes with the events of salaman and that time period. also if it's indeed quelana that can be found that one of the witches corpses holding the tomb, it's likely she stumbled upon the old king and because salaman was his only pupil this was hard on quelana. I think she didn't die because she chose to but because she had no other choise. again the flame was dying out so this could also be one of the reasons. if you look at her corpse so see her giving up kneeled in front of possibly the fair lady to have her final resting place.
thank for reading. ofcourse comment your theory and share them.
+HorizonFear I'm not saying you're wrong by any means. I like discussing this stuff.
+Karshe Oberon I know I know but just giving more information about quelana being in her state in ds3 :p
+HorizonFear Could Xanthous King Jeremiah be Salaman?
Lore about mimics?????
I've added it the list of future videos.
Great video, but Carmina issupposed to be a woman. Or at least, so says the wiki.
darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Carmina
Why does the commentator constantly refer to Carmina as a dude?
Because dude is not gender-specific. Like, duh?
I thought Carmina is a woman?
Even if there is no specification on gender, such as pronouns or specific mentions of his/her gender, I think that her name alone, "Carmina", sounds femine and Carmina is widely referenced as a woman within the fanbase as far as I know. Just because a lot of people believe it doesn't make it true of course, but I think in this case we're right. Pyromancy seems to have been birthed by women, and it would only be fitting for a woman to revolutionise pyromancy by creating the first spell that uses self-actualisation of the flame.
Maybe so. I had heard Carmina actually referenced as a man, and his name in the code of Dark Souls I is "Prince_Izalith," (if you believe that the big wall spider monster thing in Blighttown is Carmina, there is proof for it). I just did it for conveniences' sake.
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I see. Thanks.
Are you implying that Carmina is a man? Isn't that a female name?
How about Gwyndolin...?
I might list a short list of amendments in the description. I didn't think that the series specifies whether it is a he or a she. I would have thought Alva, Seeker of the Spurned is a female name, but that's a guy.
+Mitch L well I'm just asking your thoughts on it, I always "assumed" it was a female. Also, good to note that Carmina is considered the most accomplished pupil of salaman so with that we know he had several pupils. When you referred to Carmina as male I automatically thought, "old withering frog" could be Carmina (Laurentis dialogue). The old sage blindfold in the catacombs could be Cuculus' since she already possess the whole cornyx set anyways and she is found within the ruins.
+Manuel Cubilete True. The Great Swamp is a great little nugget of lore and I hope we learn more about it in the future.