I didn't despise it like some but you can't blame the channel for not "giving them enough episodes" when they had so much filler in the first half and then suddenly "STOMP ON THE GAS, IT'S PLOT RESOLUTION TIME."
It also only need Season 1, Season 2, Battle for Mewni, then maybe just maybe you can have season 3 for Elicapsa and Meteroa, but as good as Elicapsa was, a lot of the monster racism stuff was really not handled well.
@MegaChickenfish Actually I do blame the channel, because from what I understand they asked for the filler under the impression that comedy episodes do better than action/adventure episodes of SvFoE.
The whole season was garbage what a fucking train wreck of a season especially episode 20 where like game of thrones many character assassinations were made and the whole plot was a dumpsterfire
It felt like that person who just remembered in the middle of the night they have an essay due to tomorrow and tries to cramp everything they can into a sheet of paper.
I’d just have preferred if it had remained like season 1 and 2, where Marco or Star fucks something up, they try to fix it, Monsters appear, they get their ass kicked, and then star and Marco keep... star and marcoing
That was it, they expected a 5 season since they didn't get it they had to rush and entire plot and made up a finale with no plot hole or unsolved issues .... the solution lets kill everyone
I shipped Starco up until the last season when it felt forced and stopped making sense. I don’t ship TomStar purely for the reason that I believe Tom deserves better
We all knew Starco was gonna happen. But HOW it happened is the real problem. 1: Star and Tom breaking up in "Lake House Fever" would've been better for the character development. Plus your right. Tom puts in so much effort and change that when he confronts Star about her and Marco kissing, he doesn't explode in anger he's hurt and betrayed.😢💔 (But "Teenagers Are Dumb! They Break Up All The Time!". Right Daron Nefcey!😠)Them breaking up that early would have taught Star that she was a bad girlfriend and should've just focused on helping Eclipsa not suck at being queen. 2: In "Kelly's World" Marco and Kelly shouldn't have started dating at all! Kelly did need to move on from Tad. But not by dating Marco, but by exploring and trying new things. Also, if Marco really loved Star he wouldn't get together with someone because he's conflicted about ruining his friendship with both Star and Tom. Someone in the comments said that there was no point to Starco because Star and Marco didn't learn any impactful lessons before getting together. Also, if they used The Photo from "Booth Buddies" as plot device to remind them of their feelings for each other after having the Blood Moon Curse lifted it would've made them getting together feel more satisfying.
They could have transformed Mina into a more serious villian while still maintaining her charm, like they did with Ludo. They could've had her actually go nuts seeing monsters living among mewmans and everyone being fine. They could've showed Mina actually supporting racism and getting a large following of mewman supermesists, and even have the audience sympathize for her in the end because of her insanity, but no. Doing THAT would take away from Starco, which is all anyone cares about. RIghT?!
Assuming that the writers actually properly developed the idea by having likeable Mewmans, I feel like Moon would have worked the best as a season 4 villain. She is the one who pushed Mewni back into the war against the monsters, so having her be the bad guy in a plot about bringing together both sides makes sense. If she bonded with some Mewmans who feel like they were wronged by Eclipsa I could see her growing to see herself as a defender of those people. Instead the idea barely gets developed and she helps Star at the end despite no realization that she was in the wrong, only that Mina was insane.
Writers be like: end after defeating antogonist? Thats boring... lets make our main character(it is not marcos plan its all star) do war crimes but not like steven universe did. I mean consiouss and intended way Some people will say star had to do that but her mother did "180°" in same season... it could be seperated completely at least Her mother was at least reasonable and trusting nina is illogical xddddd. Nah it is just a story about how season 4 ended to me
she did, but on a much smaller scale than mina and on a group of beings that were made solely to aid magic and its users, and without magic they would have no reason to exist anyway. sort of a Mr meseeks situation
I think the most upsetting thing about season 4 is how badly it screwed over the main characters. I always praised this show for its central cast, all the characters were great and played off each other. Star was my absolute favorite, I jokingly called her my favorite Disney princess all the time. But in season 4 she’s terrible, her personality shifts constantly to push the writer’s agenda, and it makes her ridiculously unlikable. Everyone (in the show) always compliments her for “how far she has matured” when honestly, all she did this season was regress as a character. Marco and Moon were pretty unpleasant this season as well, but I digress. Tom is the real MVP this season
spookiew Kelly was also the only characters that was consistent in that season as well. Kelly deserves just as much love as tom especially since they did her more dirty then they did Tom. At least that’s my opinion.
Moon! She was one of my favorite characters! She started out as the unlikable posh strict mom caricature, that literally caused psychological problems for Star, but overtime we see there is more to her. We see that she is actually quite mature and see her acknowledge Star‘s good sides as opposed to only criticizing her. We see her being genuinely worried about Star, slipping out of her perfect „everything under control facade“. And we see why she became the way she is: she used to be just as awkward and carefree as Star, but had to take an enormous responsibility at only 14 years old and therefore had to grow up too fast. We even get to witness her first steps at that. We see her struggle with the loss of her mother and her new responsibilities before succeeding. I was very interested in seeing her grow further, but unfortunately she kind of slips back into the old posh strict mom caricature in season 3. She is not understanding of Star anymore and treats her like a nuisance and forgets her previously learned lessons (monsters are similar to mewmans, battle for mewni) and refuses to learn any new ones (Eclipsa isn’t evil, proven numerous times). In season 4 she just lazes around for the majority of her screentime and ignores all trouble, which just completely contradicts her responsible nature. And at the end... wow! The twist makes absolutely no sense. It was always important to Moon that Star got more responsible, so why would she destroy everything Star worked for? Not only that, but she put her beloved daughter in mortal danger. Her motive doesn’t make sense either. Eclipsa didn’t mean to curse Moon. She only wanted to protect her daughter, something that moon should understand, and the fact that Moon went missing was beyond her control and not done on purpose, also she redeemed herself by cursing Meteora. Why would Moon still be upset enough to betray her? The thing about twist villains is, that the villain has to be not only surprising, but also logical. Moon would be one of the most shocking twist villains of done right, but as this completely disregards her personality and values, it just doesn’t make sense and doesn’t have this shocking effect. You can’t just randomly make a character a twist villain to make the story more interesting. It doesn’t and on top of that ruins the character. Sry, if this got too long, I got carried away as I used to really care about the characters of SVTFOE, but it got kinda ruined in S3 and obviously ruined in S4. Also let’s not talk about this dumpster fire of a finale, thanks.
Sa Kura Exactly this!! I didn’t touch on Moon’s character in my original comment since I didn’t want it to run too long, but she was certainly one of the most disappointing aspects of season 4. The fact that the show was able to do grossly misunderstand one of their most important characters is baffling to me. I see what they were trying to do, I really do, but like most of the pieces of this season, there was no buildup to her betrayal and it made it feel unsatisfying and out of character. It sort of feels like, in these last few episodes, the writers wrote her as a twist villain first and a mother to Star second. There is no way Moon would ever act this irrationally and put her daughter in such danger. BfM Moon and season 4 Moon are just not the same character anymore.
It’s why I wasn’t a fan of Korrasami. Why did they need to be a couple in the end and not just be friends along with Bolin. We can forget about Mako though.
Honestly, the show would've been better off if they just made Cornonation the series finale. It wasn't perfect, but it definitely would've been a better ending than the one we actually got.
@@danielkrause1357 Right?! I was so hyped for a final battle, that Star would snap out of her stupid tantrum and actually come up with a plan that makes sense. I thought that, since they have the book of spells back and all, they might use one of the old queens' spells like Skywynne's time-stopping spell or maybe use Eclipsa's "evil" magic to save the monsters or best yet, maybe they go through Solaria's chapter and find a way to reverse the magic on the Solarian warriors. There were so many options! And that's just with the spellbook!
@@keenahgamboa well now I've got to ask. What do you think about Toffee and how his character was handled in the last season? And also, Marco's cheek marks? Naming his sister Mariposa (Spanish for Butterfly). Marco being affected by Eclipsa's Dark Chapter. My question is; "Is Marco related to Eclipsa?"
Star vs has the interesting distinction of being about the only program I've ever seen where the fanfiction is consistently better than canon. The characters and settings are so good that almost anyone can do a better job with them than the actual writers.
I've seen Miraculous Ladybug fanfics that handled a lot of things better than the actual show. I still like it, but it's actually a pretty bad show. It's like entertainment junk food. It's gotten better recently, but it's still not great. The show has a lot of the same flaws as svtfoe, some really bad, and really lazy writing, especially in season one where it was *very* formulaic, and dragging out the whole "will they won't they" of the main characters, even introducing two alternative love interests for both of them to make the audience think they won't ever end up together, but I think we all know that's not true. Just like we all knew that Star would end up with Marco.
I love your suggestion of how the Blood Moon Curse should have gone, so much better than how it actually happened. As you described your idea for it, I actually felt the physical urge to go watch it as if it was real. God, someone needs to write that fanfic.
Or, everything was hectic, they just removed a curse placed upon them that had manipulated their feelings, and wanting to return something more comfortable they clung to each other, which while good friends aren't the best for each other romantically as they can drag out each other's worse vices and after the moment passes, they will realize this and realize that they threw away at least three perfectly fine relationships between them for what amounts to "The main boy and main girl need to kiss at the end"
A Fallen Knight by Code Name I am NRG www.fanfiction.net/s/12733555/1/A-Fallen-Knight and its sequel www.fanfiction.net/s/12801097/1/A-Fallen-Dark-Knight
Seth should have been the main villain of S4. He could be revealed to be manipulating mina for the entire season and start a war between humans and monsters while he prepares his own army to take over and kill both sides. He was teased in the guidebook and could have been built up to be the big bad of the series.
Like, let’s be honest here Seasons 1 & 2 were fantastic and just... pure joy in a can Season 3 started walking to a cliff And Season 4 it jumped off with glee
T. Thomas season 3 episode 1-4 is when it decided to go towards the cliff, with minor stops where an episode was just nice, though the general trend of the season was just rushing towards that cliff, and I’d say that between the season 3’s final 4 episodes and season 4’s first 4 episodes it jumped off, and in the last 6 episodes of Season 4 it managed to break past terminal velocity and it the ground dick first
In my opinion season 1 was a little lame. Season 2 was really enjoyable but season 3 was just fantastic for me. And season 4 was ok. I would rank the seasons like this: 1. season 3 2. season 2 3. season 4 4. season 1
Season 1: cool show, kinda cute and very bubbly. :) Season 2 and BoM: wow, it’s getting serious :0 I‘m really hyped now :D Season 3: ok, I’m beginning to see a few problems, but there are still interesting elements :) Season 4 and the finale: why... how could they make the show so boring and shallow and obnoxious at the same time. There were so many interesting things inside the show they could have elaborated. But they chose the societal problems of all things and developed them in the most uninteresting way possible! So many things are rushed, came out of the blue and defy things from before. And don’t let me get started on the finale!
You guys are talking about ludo well toffee has done by the writers very dirty like,they just killed him off very quickly and btw while I do like the redemption of tom in my book him and eclipsa are the only good character left in season 4.
The whole thing about magic was that the Queens of Mewni had managed to abuse the monsters like they did because they had the unfair advantage of magic, and that if magic didnt existed, they would be at the same level, like, the cause of genocide and abuse would be gone. Which makes sense in theory but is a faulty premise. Its the equivalent to make all guns disappear to end murder; people will find another way to kill each other. What should have been done was to introduce bureocracy to mewni and restrict spell making, magic usage, ban it from military choices and so on and on. Is specially jarring because with Eclipsa and then Meteora as queens, those things werent likely to happend again.
Well stated😃. As always, good plot, continuity(and I cannot stress that enough😡), and good writing makes a story worth coming back to for more.😔 But instead we got "Gitter In A Bowl Of Jello" of a 4th season😕. It looks all good and shiny😍, but just doesn't sit in your stomach right, leaving you upset.😒😞
Naoru Reimarch what do you mean to “stop a genocide” they didn’t stop one they said fuck it and caused another one themselves killing Magic’s beings because royalty fucked up and snowballed there problems
The dumbest thing is that the mewmens NEEDED magic to fight of monsters like Toffee. Even with magic the mewmens were driven back to the castle. Now immortal monsters can just wipe out the mewmens without problems.
Forgot to point out that with Mina still alive & running about, it's only a matter of time before she discovers guns & politics & will gain a even bigger army made of humans from Earth who just had all this dropped on them without warning. Not to mention Toffee's boss, Seth, (the guy responsible for most of the problems in the show) is still canonally alive & is probably lurking around somewhere planning to go after the rest of the Butterfly family, who are probably unaware of his existence cause was never introduced in the show, & without any more magic to protect themselves, they F'ed themselves & society in the long run.
I liked Marco and Kelly together. Yeah, I always knew they weren't gonna be the end couple but surely the writers could have treated their relationship a little better than unceremoniously ending it between episodes. I did ship it (ships don't have to be canon) but if I had known how short it would ultimately be and the ridiculous way it would end, then I'd rather the writers hadn't done it at all.
@Dark Shadow Storm yes. I just liked their chemistry and would have wished that it had a point. That's all. Relationships don't have to be final to have a point.
Dark Shadow Storm I’m sorry but with how much time they devoted to developing Marco and Kelly’s relationship, that “red herring” excuse holds no water. They devoted a lot of scree time to this pairing, similar to Star and Tom’s relationship, and keep in mind that this little romance arc spanned over two seasons and they even had an episode in season 4 dedicated to their relationship, you can’t just spend that much time on a relationship only to drop it OFFSCREEN. I’ll be blunt with you here, all of that time spent with them is POINTLESS now because they didn’t even conclude it on screen. And it doesn’t make ANYONE happy. The people who were invested in Kellco will only be disappointed and outright angry at this and people who wanted the show to develop Starco will only be pissed that it wasted so much time on Kellco that could’ve been used to develop Star and Marco’s relationship, which would’ve been a much better decision since Starco was the ship they actually finalized. Overall this was just stupid and weak writing that makes me question how much the writers actually thought through the story.
KellCo was honestly my favourite ship, didn’t like starco because I saw them more as friends, and not every friend has to get tougher. But what annoyed me was that kellco ended off screen because of the writers Biased for starco
@Dark Shadow Storm I honestly still think that it wasn't originally meant to be despite the references. It honestly shouldn't have happened either, with how they were starting to settle into relationships that were healthier for them both, though Tom deserved hell of a lot better than Star, because she's too immature.
I think we just wanted more toffee. I just wish did many things different. They should not of forced starco. Mina should have never been a final villain. I don’t think Star and Marco should end up each other, I think be better if they stayed best friends.
I also wanted more Toffee... The "Toffee was right" quote was a bit satisfying at least. lol And yeah, especially with the way the relationship was going, I also would've preferred and liked Marco and Star to stay just best friends.
I’m a 22 year old man who likes Star vs and I agree the shipping got stupid in the final season. The whole Marco and Kelly thing felt like they thought this show was gonna have another season so they had to prolong the “ the will they, won’t they” only to scramble at the end basically amounting to Marco using Kelly to avoid his feelings with Star. In a way making it just as or even worse than how Star treated Tom.
Instead of destroying magic, Star should've created a means that would decide who's fit to use it or not; like a sort of failsafe. For example, Moon's actions towards Eclipsa would've caused this failsafe to momentarily or permanently cut off her magical power. But destroying it altogether also destroys billions of lifeforms who live off of it or were born from it. As for idiots like the High Commission, they were failures at their job anyway. So, their deaths weren't very tragic. If anything Glosseryck was the only capable one who managed magic. As far as I'm concerned, I only cared about two things in Season 4; Globgor and Eclipsa's history and Princess Penelope Spider-Bite getting together with Slime
Back when Season 1 aired, I was all for Star and Marco, but by the finale, not so much. It ended up feeling forced with a needlessly complicated love... I wouldn't call it a triangle... more like an hourglass or something. And they had ideas that seemed to hint at something, only to not go anywhere. Like when Ludo pulled out those handmade statues of Star and Marco, but it never leads to anything. I also remember hearing that the voice actor for Tom hated the finale because of how his character was basically pushed aside. Also, realistically speaking, a small group of teens can't expect to end racism when it's been so prevalent for thousands of years in a single day or in a few days. That stuff takes a lot of time and tensions simmering down naturally. Forcing two races and cultures together only cause a culture clash in which both sides start to hate each other more.
i've heard this before somewhere... can someone PLEASE send me a source of an instance of rider strong saying he didn't like tom's treatment in the show?
@@aesthedicks5103 Sorry if this reply is one year too late but there is something: From tvtropes, the trivia entry off the show, the trope off creator backlash: Tom's voice actor, Rider Strong, wasn't very happy with how his character was handled in the latter half of Season 4, mainly the fact that he broke up with Star with a poor excuse just so she could get together with Marco in the end.
Oh I wish the blood moon did what it did and ended on tomstar and kellco. Having the blood moon be some allegorical message that main characters can remain friends and overall its toxic to push people together because they're friends when its against what they want. That would've been AMAZING, and shown a lot of growth for the characters while also subverting a cliche. In fact it feels like their desperate attempts to make starco work just drag down the show and make it more cliche and less interesting. Tomstar is a genuinely fascinating relationship with problems and bonding and star and Tom work with each other like a real couple, they're not perfect but being imperfect doesn't mean they can't improve. Not to mention I liked the idea of them getting back together better then before and improving each other, not to mention the potential for Tom to help star further advocate for monsters. But the show didn't do this because of starco, they avoided this potential to be like "nah, they can't work things out, they don't need to move on or learn to let go". Starco serves no purpose thematically, theres no reason to get them together because nothing is really stopping them and they never conquer anything internally before they date. Jarco was about Marco coming out of his shell and gaining courage and not putting jackie on a pedistle and recognizing her as a person instead of a fantasy. Tomstar was about learning to do better for someone and to respect people's wishes and all about second chances and that they're ok. Kellco was about moving on and finding happiness elsewhere instead of focusing on what you don't have or on a dream. Marco and Kelly wanted to move on instead of wallowing in misery about star and tad for the rest of their lives. Starco has none of this, theres no emotional hurdles to go through to get them together. Star nor Marco changes themselves as a person for the other in a romantic way, neither ever put the other on a pedistle, they don't learn anything that make them getting together more satisfying for their characters. They both wave off their previous relationships as if they meant nothing and don't appear to learn anything from then so instead after watching star be awful to Tom for awhile we're just supposed to be ok with her in another relationship instantly despite how bad it was. The idea of then moving on from each other could've been touching but based on the ending the show seems to think if you just string along your partners eventually the person you should be with will eventually reciprocate your feelings and you can ditch that love with no repercussions. Moving on doesn't work when the characters don't actually move on and end up with said person anyway. Starco could've been more interesting but it wasn't, nothing was really learned, there were no insightful things it had to say romance wise, there was little about it that made it different from other relationships like it, and it feels like the show could've removed it for the most part and little would change. They got together cause people wanted them to and for no other reason without any consideration for anything else. I want the show to be rebooted someday. It has great potential under the right crew, but this end was a mess and you get the impression the crew put what they wanted to do over what made sense for the story, characters, world, ect. Cause boy, it sure doesn't feel like they realized the problem with removing magic till twitter bursted about star committing genocide.
@Dark Shadow Storm you're talking about what happened in the show, I'm talking about what they could've done instead to make everything less pointless.
@Dark Shadow Storm they were given 4 seasons and they even admitted they knew they would probably get four seasons. If you know how much time you have before the show will end you'd think they'd use the time they had more wisely. They may not have enough time for everything but that's no excuse on their part for not trying to wrap everything up more carefully when they knew how much time they'd have.
@Dark Shadow Storm that doesn't justify them not answering them. Because most of the questions? They didn't even try to answer them. We got several episodes dedicated to things that didn't end up mattering, they had time if they really wanted to answer some things.
Dark Shadow Storm Um that’s not true, Tom was actually the BETTER partner in his and Star’s relationship, he was extremely patient and understanding, even at times where he would be justified in being angry, while Star was just kinda pulling him along and literally tried to walk away from his house when he tells her that Marco told him about the booth kiss and that his mother knows instead of dealing with this like a mature person. Honestly I wanted Tom to dump Star simply because he deserves better than how Star treats him. And if Kellco wasn’t important than why did it’s development span TWO SEASONS? And why did it have its own episode in season 4 if it wasn’t important?
Tbh any Marco ship (excluding Marcapoo) feels creepy considering he's mentally much older than the others. Yeah the writers tryed to make us forget that by making him act his physical age, but we haven't forgotten
This is something I've also thought about, because those who ship Marco and Eclipsa gets seen as creepy as well. I don't ship it (Globgor is best boi), but attacking that ship for the age reason has always bugged me. But I guess it's a classic vampire like shipping. You know, hundreds of years old vamps getting with teenagers, but it's okay, they look like teenagers themselves. The things you think about when shipping isn't your whole goal in shows. xD
@@YujiUedaFan I didn't say it was right. I was just saying people find it creepy as well. Because in actuality Marco is an adult dating teenagers. Writers didn't think that far, I think. So, that's actually creepy, but you know, Starco for life, right? Who cares, am I right? 😂
"Can write two characters together but when you add a third one things are not good" Sounds like they only know how to write development when its shippable.
@@reasyrandom it's frustrating how their poly relationships could have geniuenely worked in the show. they all care for each other, they all were supportive when others were dating, they all complimented each other in three-side way. and wouldn't come out of nowhere. that would have been perfect! sigh.
Star treated Tom like shit (she even CHEATED on him?! And drooled over Marco), and had the audacity to start making out with Marco A DAY after smh Star’s character development just got thrown out the window, and they somehow made her character WORSE than when she was in S1 the first few episodes. The ending just proves how self centred she is as she basically caused a panic, not in her world, but in the ENTIRE damn multiverse, but it’s fine, cause she gets to stay with her TWO DAY boyfriend :) The fact they kept hovering over the “is Eclipsa evil or not?” scenario makes it a lot worse because we’ve seen that she is willing to KILL her own child for the sake of a kingdom which ultimately hates her :/
A major issue of the last two seasons as a whole was the lack of build up for...everything. Season 2 built up Toffee for a full season that culminated into a very exciting final battle, even if the end to that story was a huge disappointment. Season 3 and 4 was mostly made up of a couple episodes of buildup before solving the issue. Examples include: Meteora was a threat for three episodes before being taken down, Moon’s disappearance is only a problem for a few episodes, and the most egregious of this example, the buildup for destroying magic was a SINGLE episode. Star‘s decision to uproot the entire multiverse, killing millions of innocent people, destroying countless societies, and cut off any sort of interdimensional relationships was from a fucking TEMPER TANTRUM.
Thats cause nefci said there are no true villains every person has good and bad to them which i agree but in the series it translated to a boring trama with no villains so yh she was a terrible writer
@@latioswarshowdown1202 Villains can be written well without actually being pure evil. The problem is, it's weather or not you make the "good guys" cause more damage, to make the villains look less evil.
The worst part in my opinion, disney will probably never trust the writers with creative freedom for a while, because of the bad pr and publicity (the creators response to the controversy really didn't help) they basically now have daddy disney looking over there shoulders
@Dark Shadow Storm Actually, no. They say they had the ending figured out since the start of the show, so they had like 4 years to flesh it out. That's enough time. Still they didn't even try to flesh it out. That's the problem.
I am reminded of Once Upon A Time where the line "magic always comes with a price" was a mantra stated since the first episode. Blaming magic on all problems ever is just lazy. Instead SVTFE could have focused more on being responsible with magic and creating that order in the chaos that was created by the irresponsible stewards of magic.
The finale is horrible because it flips what was happening in Mewni. In Mewni, the monsters were under the heels of humans, which led to many conflicts and many wars.There was a lot of discrimination and hate and murder, and it was revealed that there were more human settlements than monster ones. Mewmans and monsters slowly began to get over their differences and the vestiges of a racist kingdom's history (personified by Meenah) were mostly rejected by the populace. But then the Mewni and Earth dimensions fused. FUSED. Every geographical location got squashed together. Humans were seen, in the finale, running around in terror because of the appearance of monsters, who no one on earth has any experience with. Cars and houses were destroyed. Now we have a story of humans being displaced by monsters. They are NOT going to take this well, and Star has to deal with a victimized group suddenly being put on the side of unwilling victimizers. Everyone is going to be confused and angry and afraid. And because magic is dead, all the portals to all the different universes have closed. Commerce has been limited to only being inside your own universe. Imagine the economic impact of multi-universe businesses suddenly being literally cut apart because some idiot girl decided that "oooo magic is sooo bad there's no way to use it responsibly". Friendships were torn. All of Stars friends were pushed back into the worlds they were born in (except Ponyhead, which makes no sense because she's also from another dimension, so basically she's now stranded away from all her family and her father, King Pony). I hazard to say that if Eclipsa and Globgor were married, then there were other intelligent inter-species relationships across the multiverse. Star basically said "fuck you" to all of them and destroyed families. And every magical creature ever, both good AND bad, is now dead. ALL of them. Star is basically a goddess who got bored with her creations and decided to wipe the sandbox clean. And she was too stupid to realize that. And the worst part is, Meenah is still around. Meenah is still alive and hateful and angry. And she's in the new earth with all the mewmans and humans and monsters. Who are displaced humans going to listen to? A girl with hearts on her cheeks whose grandmother is married to one of the people who crashed into their houses and buildings? Or a girl who knows how to tug on people's heartstrings and is a primed manipulator and war strategist? Star. Made. Her. Problems. 100. Times. Worse. And now she has no one to turn to for help. Because, once again, all the worlds are closed off forever.
I think cartoon writers are just in over their head trying to talk about racism. I'm glad that people want to talk about complex issues but if you are going to you have to put a lot more effort into it than making some basic af analogy where there are mewmans and monsters and the mewmans were all racist but then most of them realized that racism was bad and everyone lived happily ever after.
@@hazy5552 Exactly, Zootopia represents these problems very well, but by the end of the movie suddenly everything is resolved. Uhh... NO, that's not how it works, in the real world if any of that happened, people would STILL be very racist and judgemental, even if it was revealed that the events were a conspiracy. The animals shouldn't have changed their ways just because a Bunny Cop revealed that it was one person's mastermind plan, most of them would've actually thought that was some lie to prevent the riots from happening, so in actuality they would still be racist towards carnivores. The only reason the ending exists is because DISNEY, so EVERYTHING has to be resolved, even it it doesn't make sense.
It's not that they try to tackle racism, it's that they don't know HOW to tackle it. Most cartoons are trying to resolve everything with a simple solution, but in reality there's no simple solution, it's actually a very long and complicated process that can't be resolved in a short amount of time that TV series allow.
I think the purpose of making eclipsa a selfish person was to show the poor individuals that had magic but the writers where fumbling around so much this season that they failed to convay that correctly
@@miss.nobody2713 yeah, but it always came off brotherly. Mire comradery than sexual attraction. It is a bit of bias. I'm just sick of characters in a show being forced to be gay rather than making new characters In new shows or media. Holleywood has hijacked so much i have to remind myself not evergshow will go down that rabbithole.
Hello I'm here to spit [?] What I hated the most is that Nefcy tried to pitch this idea for like 8 years? (Not sure, but it was a lot) and you tell me she didn't had the time to make a good ending IN ALL THAT TIME? WHY SHE WANTED SO BADLY TO MAKE THIS SHOW IF SHE WAS GONNA DISRESPECT HER OWN CREATION whyyyy
When she first pitch her idea of Star vs it was about a fourth grader who thought she was a magic princess, but nobody want to air it and then she said it was because in 2007 nobody wanted to air a show with a female lead even though Kim Possible, Powerpuff Girls, and My Life as A Teenage Robot all air that same year
@@cheese4434 Yeah it doesn’t make sense the whole ‘no one wants a female Protag’ when their were so many animated shows with female protags happening.I’m guessing the real reason why the original idea didn’t air on Tv was probably due to something with the Premise or something she did.
@@cheese4434 That's indeed very suspicious from Nefcy. But seeing what Star Vs. turned out to be, I'm not surprised. In fact, Nefcy said herself that "teenagers are dumb". Yeah, she just called the majority of her fans "dumb". Someone who disrespects her fans doesn't deserve their praise in my book.
Season 4 was a Dumping Ground for all the ideas that the writers had prior. And didn't want to let Any of them go to waste. Regardless of how it would affect the story.
Star did not grow or change or even be in a static good place by the end of the series and thats why Star ended up sucking in my opinion. She might be the worst cartoon protagonist in modern history. She is for me.
Me during the first 10 seconds: DID YOU NOT SEE GAME OF THRONES!? Seconds later: Ah... good... as you were. Also love how you handled the horse-who-will-not-be-named, Mewman subplot, and the support characters.
I think the show should have decided to have an overarching story early on, maybe half way into the first seasons or in the first few episodes of the second seasons. Season 3 ended pretty nicely so if Season 4 had built on that instead of trying to add a whole new story, it could have worked. Just find Moon and ditch the Mewmans on Earth if they don't want to live under Eclipsa. Magic could stay the same and the Mewmans wouldn't have to deal with monsters.
*"Star would be a bad person if she broke up with Tom"* That reminds me of how in Naruto, the creator, Kishimoto, forced Sakura and Sasuke to end up together (despite their complete lack of chemistry and how he tried to kill her twice and assaulted her unconscious at least once.) because *"Sakura would be a bad person if she gave up on Sasuke"* - The guy who never loved her and has a history of being violent and abusive towards her. Yeah. Sure.
Greatsaiyakirby Well in context here I can see that opinion. I mean with how poorly Star treats Tom in season 4 and just how unlikable she can get in certain episodes, “Lake House Fever” being a big example of this, it would Star look like a bad person if she did so due to how shitty of a girlfriend she was in previous episodes. I honestly wanted Tom to break up with her due to how he can clearly do better.
@@diyagore1784 Sounds like Boruto's trying to make up for the shockingly bad develoment between Sakura and Sasuke. A shame most of that development happened OFFSCREEN.
@@PlanetZoidstar I agree. My point was that the fact that it was shocking that their relationship was functional in the first place should have been a red flag. But then, I should have made that clear.
I Agree with everything said, but I have more complaints. Yes, I admit that the pure magic's lotus-eater effect was disturbing, but that was literally it for clues that it caused trouble. Honestly, the final would have been better if they had to destroy magic due to the entire pool being tainted by eclipsa's magic. Don't get me wrong I don't understand how her magic can taint the pure magic I mean she created it from that source, and even if it was different due to that spell making process, it is in essence just normal magic. Star made a huge point of that when she was defending eclipsa in her trial. Wait that brings up an even more anger-inducing point. They made absolutely sure that we knew that her forbidden spells were not that bad I mean other queens made spells that sliced people in two and or literally pulled squirrels inside out, but HER magic has the corrupting influence? Becouse of this, the magic high commission were right about her needing to be locked up due to her indirectly causing magic to go violent and destructive. My god, I didn't realize until now that in the last few episodes that the ruined all of the eclipsa plotlines, she is a force of destruction that I assume would have destroyed the entire multiverse if all magic went dark. I mean toffee almost destroyed all magic the exact same way, and this version seems to be even more destructive to the point that most magical items would probably go on killing sprees if they got the chance. Then there are the two conflicting plot points about magic and monsters that make everything more frustrating. Monsters wanted magic to make there lives easier, but they showed that magic made the mewmans too reliant on it, turning them into overgrown children. Were they suggesting that no one should have magic, or are they saying that everyone should? It is possible that if everyone had some contact to the magic, then it would be much safer do to the common sense that would start to develop in a larger magic-using society, and they would have a much stronger grasp on magic as a whole due to institutions being able to study it.
Okay here's my question about Star VS: Since when were mewmans activley hateful towards monsters? No think about it for a second, When this idea was introduced in mewnipendence day what was Stars reaction to the story when Marco pointed out how fucked up and horrible the holiday and the events it's actually based around were: She was Horrified. Star didn't hate monsters, she faught them because they were trying to steel her shit but she treated them like a nusance, she faught when they showed up then left them alone, hell she was casually talking with buff frong and acting as a babyswitter for Buff Frong. And this was Mewni's Princess, as in the person who benifited from the past the most and will have grown up in an area surounded by this stuff.; and she wasn't hateful, she was ignorant. In my opninon that should have been how the whole show worked, not actively hateful, but ignorant and missguided; thus Star could actually make changes. Also we wouldn't need to nuke magic for whatever fucking reason.
I'm so glad someone appreciates Tomstar... And yes I KNEW from episode 1 the hour that it premiered in 2015 as a teen.. Even liked it for a couple months..
Star Vs, handled the themes of colonialism and racism as neatly as a toddler handling a Lego set. S3 and S4 were both disappointing and I do still like the S3 finale. This show is honestly to me a prime example of a cartoon that doesn't need an overarching story and would have been better as a monster of the week with smaller arcs.
Now that tehir worlds are fused it would be amazing to see all those weird diseases and stuff you described in the video but they won't do it. I bet Disney won't pay for another season.
I'm conflicted. The shipper in me is willing to ignore the major issues because Starco happened... But, the writer in me _knows_ that this season was a train wreck and needs a major re-write.
the shipper and mean felt like star and Marco had no romantic chemistry and it was just kind of awkward, literally Tom and Marco had more chemistry and they were friends
I personally hate how the show acts like Globgor is a good person, despite having an entire palace full of celebratory mementos of his many horrible atrocities, and the only reason we are supposed to want to forgive this guy, who literally burned down villages and ATE PEOPLE, is that his new GF convinced him to be a vegetarian. Not helped by the fact Globgor spends an exponentially longer time frozen in ice than ever being an actual character. Cause once they get him out, it's time to instantly incapacitate him again for the entire rest of the finale, and thus, series ! Boy the Eclipsa x Globgor dynamic is so fun, what with him.......existing.
5:00 There was this sub-plot where Toffee's corpse was polluting the magic dimension, which was being built up as why the dimension would be destroyed... then they forgot about that. The weird ending showed magic creatures not being dead, so there's that.
one thing I didn’t like is how we hardly see just how bad toffee actually is? It’s implied that he’s a rlly bad guy and we only see like one battle with toffee. He isn’t actually shown as a proper threat. When we see younger moon defeating him we don’t actually see any of the damage he did to the kingdom, we only see moon cut off his finger. I just never really felt like he was an actual threat. Also that purple stuff on eclipsa and moons arms was never explained like uh what was that about?
To be honest, star never really wanted to be queen. So other than her finding out she wasnt a true butterfly,( still royalty cause of river though) I felt that she returned the kingdom to eclipsa to get out of being queen even though she wouldve been bad at it cause she wasnt mature enough for it. And most of that is her own fault. And for the dark millhouse. Weve seen it twice. Once when star went to the realm of magic to find moon,( it was drinking the dark magic moon washed off and got corrupted) and again in the finale when it's all grown up
I really loved this show and was following it for so long, it was actually a big part of my life for a while. Even watching several people react to it. I was really disappointed by the missed opportunities and the direction they went near the end of the show.
Without "Cleaved" and the last 5 mins. of "Tavern", Season 4 still would've been either pretty good, or lukewarm. The problem is, they exist, and somehow, literally none of the characters...none of them come off sympathetic as a consequence. While everyone calls out Star, quite rightly, she did have to think quickly and she was arguably manipulated by Glossaryk with The Tapestry into the decision... Glossarayk, who was the one that gave mewmanity the magic in the first place and decided to give Meteora the boost needed to implicate her, a baby into the mess. But whatever, it's because of Moon's stupidity that the whole situation even happened. And we're supposed to see it as a small error of judgment. Then there's Eclipsa, whose actions as queen brought the backlash to cause the final act, and she herself enabled Star. Marco's only concern is a teenage selfishness of wanting to be w/ Star. Hekapoo just wanted her own death at any cost. And not one of them even stopped to think of the consequences. Not one of 'em. Also, the audience surrogate of S4 is clearly Tom.
You know? This could been fixed in season 3 with a B plot or 'Meanwhile with Ludo/Toffee' plot line. Ludo still had Toffee's eye, so Toffee could've snuck out wherever Ludo is keeping the eye, slowly regenerated from that. maybe during the meteora vs Queen moon fight, he could've accidentally stumbled upon Moon get blasted by Meteora and flee into the portal. At the End of season 3, an epilogue with the head of Toffee talking to Seph about the whole ordeal. They talk about it's a good time to strike. Seph is now the series finale boss instead of Mina. Edit: and then Toffee can get scaramouche'd when it's revealed that the star family wasn't truly weakened.
I think one of the biggest flaws of the series as a whole is they never fully explained what Toffee's goal actually was. If he wanted to destroy magic ( which we find out in a filler episode in season 4 ) that's fine, but you could've given us an episode in season 1 or 2 to explain that. I love him as a villain, but they really didn't do a good job explaining what it was he was doing at all. Why did he kill Moon's mother? What was his motivation for that?
i actually really how youre one of the only youtubers who mentions how the racism issue in the story could be easily solved in the show but is way more complicated in real life, which is a good point that everyone tends to ignore. also i agree that the mumins were annoying as hell
Toffee was incredibly effective at the start when we knew for damn sure that he had some kind of fucked-up plan, but what that plan was was a complete mystery. He was in that perfect Magnificent Bastard zone. Then he kind of vanished for a while, we got occasional nifty hints that he was still at play, and then he showed up in the Season 3 finale to get blasted by Super Saiyan Star and then crushed by a rock. And we all thought "Oh, he'll be back, this is just the beginning, this is going to be so good." Then he just didn't come back.
@@SarcasticChorus I thought it was funny. Idc if the character is a boy or girl. It is just one of the best things to point out for continuity failure to push shipping bait. I'm more surprised if isn't brought up more than I am angry at it.
@@xenosayain1506 They probably decided when they were "planning" out S4 they wanted to go back to the abs dimension and wanted to do a Eclipsa/Diez combo. Then decided their dynamic would be better as sisters than another guy/girl pair.
I think it was planned from the beginning. Tbh I always thought it was gonna be a girl. There was no way they were actually gonna let Marco have a little brother with the same name as him. And Mariposa (butterfly in Spanish) was to good a name to pass up.
Don't know if it's an unpopular opinion but I somewhat like it better when Star and moon were Royal. Eclipsa doesn't really seem to care that much and maybe she should have just let moon continue rolling since they accept her and maybe try to push changes.
I stopped watching as soon as he ditched Jackie to go to Mewni to be a knight. Same as when I stopped watching Last Man On Earth as soon as he didn't sleep with the hot blond
@@njnjhjh8918 you did the right thing. You know what happened in season 4 but Season 3 was very boring... it focused way too much on Starco and some moments were creepy.
I especially hate how the show treated Jackie. I'm thankful she was portrayed as a good person, but when the Blood Moon started forcing Starco to happen, it made Jackie look like an obstacle, not a character. That's the reason she never appeared again after she broke up with Marco, she was just a tool for the ship-war plot to happen. I DESPISE that, I really wanted Jackie to be a consistent character throughout the entire series, even if she wasn't going to end up with Marco.
You know what the worst thing about Season 4 was? It was delayed for almost an entire year. One entire year where they could have just developed and given us more lore and story based plot lines and even explain some of the monsters like Toffee & Seth and yet...they didn't even do that!
*"So, I basically sacrificed the multiverse to be with my boyfriend, sure millions or even billions died, sure, and most of them are probably good people, but, I get to be with my boyfriend so whatever :)"*
I know I’m late to this but I saw this in my recommended list and I agree with everything in this video except one thing. Eclipsa does care about her kingdom. Hear me out. In the book of spells, when Solaria was queen, the monster mewman war was bad. And I mean brutal. I don’t know when globgor and Eclipsa met or how they developed a relationship because the book of spells never implied any of that, but Eclipsa and globgor developed a relationship in their youth, and while solaria despises monsters and has the goal to erase the universe of them, Eclipsa had a fascination with them. So when she met globgor, they had to meet in secret because of the monsters and mewmans being aggressively genocidal/homicidal with each other and solaria would’ve sliced him up. And that’s what happened. Solaria hurts globgor making Eclipsa cry which made solaria feel hurt by this for upsetting her daughter so she backs off and spare globgor’s life at least. Despite he was the prince of darkness. There were so many nicknames that suggested globgor being a brute who slaughtered and consumed mewmans in the past, but that could’ve been due to the monster mewman genocide and we know globgor tends to be defensive when it comes to his subjects and his family being threatened. He did change drastically and even became vegetarian possibly even before he and Eclipsa actually started developing feelings for each other. Solaria was somewhat understanding of Eclipsa being in love with globgor but would not accept their relationship. She puts in her will that she should be married to the biggest douchbag himself, king shastican of the spider bite kingdom. And his sole purpose was to marry for status and didn’t care much about anyone or anything else. When solaria was assassinated, Eclipsa abide her mother’s wishes and married king shastican whom she didn’t even like. Her marriage to shastican only made the monster-mewman war much more brutal and the solarian warriors were still active and we all know how brutal and how their powers are basically in god mode. And the septarians weren’t easy to defeat either, they were immortal and couldn’t be killed properly. The solarian warriors do not obey the deceased queen’s daughter since their loyalty is to solaria and solaria alone, while the septarians couldn’t be diplomatically swayed by the prince of darkness, globgor, and they do whatever the hell they please despite the prince of darkness being strongly against toffee’s plan for mass mewman genocide. So globgor and Eclipsa tried their best to establish peace between both of their people and they would meet in secret in order to do so. They were desperately trying their hardest to make peace but that wasn’t possible because of the septarians set in their ways as well as the solarian warriors. Globgor did try to talk Eclipsa into running away with him in which she did turn down his offer at first because she wouldn’t feel right betraying her kingdom. Globgor told Eclipsa, “you already betrayed your kingdom by falling in love with me”. She does have her kingdom and her people’s best interest at heart no matter how hard it is because she so desperately wants to be with globgor. But then king shastican wanted Eclipsa to bare him an heir and understandably she didn’t want that, not with him. She did tell him that it wasn’t too late to have their marriage annulled. King shastican claimed to have possibly fallen in love with Eclipsa (bullshit) in which she replied “I’m in love with the prince of darkness, and I believe my marriage towards him could create everlasting peace between monsters and mewmans”. King shastican laughs in her face like she’s some foolish child. She got the name the queen of darkness when she declared her love to the prince of darkness. Meanwhile, globgor recounted his dealings with the septarians, at least enough to dull down their uprising, but he needed Eclipsa’s word that the solarian warriors wouldn’t act so aggressively towards monsters which would be like asking cows to stop grazing so she couldn’t promise that. So globgor once again asked her to run away with him to save both of their kingdoms in which she hesitated but eventually agrees. But of course the MHC and king shastican had to ruin everything by crystallizing Eclipsa, taking Meteora which enrages globgor. Globgor chose peace but they threatened his family which is a declaration of war which is in his right as the king of monsters. Eclipsa does care for her kingdom, she just didn’t know how to handle the pressure and did try to become a better queen, she just didn’t go about it the right way. You can’t blame her for wanting her family back after being separated from them for over 300 years. Eclipsa can be selfish but she’s not entirely selfish, I mean, she was willing to kill her own daughter to save the kingdom. You said all she cares about is her family and no offense but that makes you kind of sound like the MHC. Well what about the other queens. Queen Moon puts the protection of her daughter above her kingdom. Hypocritically, moon cares more about her family than her kingdom. Eclipsa did put the safety of the kingdom first when she willingly offed her own daughter and always did. And because she tried saving both of their kingdoms only to be imprisoned and separated from her husband and daughter for so long and killed her own daughter to save their kingdom after being separated from them for centuries which could cause severe PTSD for anyone, she has the right to be a bit selfish, but at least she was willing to give up on liberating her husband and put the kingdom first. And at least she confronted globgor before attempting her mother’s crystal breaking spell. Almost as if she wasn’t sure if she should free him and needed his thoughts on the idea. It’s like she tries to be responsible but she can’t help but want her family together again. Star just becomes overly responsible to the point that it gets annoying and other times she is irresponsible like when she left Eclipsa and Rhombulus in a room alone despite them trying to kill each other (well rhombulus was trying to supposedly kill her while Eclipsa was just having her defenses up). Honestly, Star may try to be responsible for her age but she’s no better, not really. She’s just all over the place. She’s all like “I’m a teenager, I don’t have to worry about shit” when she leaves rombulus and Eclipsa alone to kill each other, is childish and mean towards Tom, and is unnecessarily mean towards rasticore with short jokes, she irresponsible in surviving the spider bites at simple noticeable things on tour, a brat in junk in Jenna ( don’t know if I remember that correctly), acts dumb and rude in curse of the blood moon, an asshole in doop doop and cleaved. She may have pushed Eclipsa into being responsible but star is still making problems for everyone around her and not just with her friends and family but for Eclipsa and the MHC as well. Did she even take responsibility for causing problems for Eclipsa towards the spider bite family when she causes a misunderstanding that caused the spider bite family to feel mocked by Eclipsa for her husband eating king shastican (which he deserved)? no she didn’t. She just yelled at Eclipsa. True Eclipsa might share some blame for forgetting the spiderbite family but star was having her take all of the responsibility even for her own mess ups when she didn’t pay attention to specific details and didn’t apologize for any misunderstandings while Eclipsa did all of the apologizing. Eclipsa does try to be a queen, but nobody is willing to compromise because they hate her and are a bunch of racist biased assholes. Eclipsa went through years of conflicts that she tries so hard to resolve with no support from her people and no matter what she does she can’t catch a break and on top of that, she gets separated from her family for 300 years and at least she does get a second chance with her daughter, whom she killed but turns into a baby with no explanation because that’s not what the “black velvet inferno” spell does, so it’s easy for her to be a bit morally conflicted when all she ever does is try her best to do the right thing but constantly gets dumped on and lacks support from everyone except star. Star is the only one to ever try with Eclipsa. And like you said, the mewmans don’t deserve sympathy for the reasons you’ve mentioned but Eclipsa does still try with them. She even faced a solarian warriors head on solo in order to defend the civilians even the ones who hate her. She could’ve died and came pretty close and she knew that. She didn’t use the total annulation spell until star was threatened because it keeps going and destroys everything in its path. She was hesitant with risking the destruction of parts of the kingdom to defend herself but uses it to defend star. She’s actually quite selfless but the majority of the fan base doesn’t own the book of spells because it costs money.
One thing I never understood, if Moon and everyone after Festivia was actually just a normal Mewman, why did they have magic ??? Or well, the butterfly form? I mean Eclipsa and Meteora had the butterfly form and the cheekmarks...so did everyone after Festivia? But..they aren't related? Could someone explain?
The queens/butterflies are just like regular mewmans, but since they use the wand and wield magic even after they give it to their kid, the cheek Mark's are a sign of that magic descended in them (hence why Star and meteora have it before they ever had the wand.) So after a while the wand gave Festivia checkmarks and descended from there.
@@danielkrause1357 honestly the booth buddies photo was the absolute most useless plot of fanservice ive ever seen in a show. we easily could have a lived without it, and even tho i am/was a starco shipper im still furious at how they pulled that.
@@lumibaire5180 I'm also a starco shipper but at that time Booth Buddies aired, I let the excitement get to me so I didn't know what I was thinking. Now looking back at the entire show, I completely agree we could've lived without that episode. Season 3 was basically fanservice for Starco shippers which was very boring and season 4 made little to no sense.
@@ElectroBlastLuigi YESSS omg... when it happened i was on cloud nine but it served little to no use in the plot, the only thing im glad came out of it was tom saying "if i had kissed marco" because that was holy
@@lumibaire5180 lol i actually uploaded a clip of that for that reason. I'm surprised everybody talked about it in the comment section. Honestly, StarTom (or TomStar) and Marco x Tom were handled better than Starco but that TomStar breakup was out of nowhere and felt forced (but we knew it was coming at some point for obvious reasons) just like Starco kiss and when that ship became canon. I'm sorry if my comment confused you :/
Eclipsa never cared for being queen though, she never felt or took the responsibility seriously, so Star just flat out giving it to her then expecting her to fulfill the role, was Star’s own fault. She might have been acting queen, but Moon was still default Queen because her fate was unknown. So, Star didn’t have the right to give the throne back to Eclipsa. She could abdicate, but as soon as Moon returned the role should’ve been returned to her.
SVTFOE is a great show overall but it got bad on s4. They could've done anything else like the freeze time spell or simply made s4 fun episodes full of the show's original and individual awesomeness. Not all episodes were bad tho, it was the finale that ruined everything. Better finale would've equaled good s4 in my opinion
Honest Question for everyone: Do you think this finale is better, worse, or just as bad as the Voltron finale? I genuinely can't decide and I'm trying to articulate just how bad it is to my friend, who's a big Voltron stan.
Oh hell to the nah voltron was way worse there finale was terrible at least star vs the forces of evil was on to something but voltron just said I want this show to be over already and did most halfass finale I've ever seen in my entire life
Star handing the thrown to elipsa made no sense. While yes elipsa Is the rightful heir, her family has been over thrown for centuries. Making star and her family the rightful Queens. Also she made this decision without talking to her mother and father first and sent them into poverty, it wasnt right. I like elipsa but she had no right to the wand. Especially since nobody trusted her, in the end all of this was stars fault. If she didnt give eclipsa the wand then mina wouldnt have started that army nor would have moon make those citizen fight for the kingdom. Star wants to blame the magic when she should have blamed herself. Giving a queen that is seen as evil by everyone wasnt going to make the people, like monsters. It was going to take time.
@@gigachadgaming1551 except there were very much still two races. It's was like trying to stop the KKK from slaughtering millions of black people by dropping a bomb on the private island of some russian internet trolls.
You know what, I actually think Moon becoming the antagonist because of racism would've been really stupid. You know why? Because people forget that she had friendly relations with Luto's mom! Everyone forgets that! Apparently even the writers forgot that! My gosh, I hate this idea of trying to "wing it" when it comes to children cartoons that want to be serious. Look, that kind of idea works well for episodic type shows (which works best for pure comedy shows), but in terms of shows with an ongoing narrative and message, that's a terrible way to run things! It makes it so you forget things about your own story, and can make things feel rushed, clunky, or half baked. And it's especially not a good sytem for shows that want to tell a message because that makes things messy and poorly thought out, and might imply things you didn't mean. Honestly, I do still like shows like Steven Universe and Star vs., but I just wish they were more thought out before airing.
I always questioned the idea of the Whispering Spell. Assuming a queen made it, which Queen thought of making a spell that not just destroys their royal marker. But is also capable of being utilized to begin a collapse of the entire Multiverse?! If the theory of Glossaryck being some sort of deranged puppetmaster that lead to this conclusion is correct, then that means he knows that the Whispering Spell already existed and which Queen was going to invent the Spell. But if Glossaryck knew that if Magic goes, than he goes too. WHY WOULD HE TELL A QUEEN ABOUT THE WHISPERING SPELL IF HE KNOWS THAT IT CAN KILL HIM IF USED CORRECTLY?! If Glossaryck isn't some evil puppetmaster like the theory states, and he just is able to be like...the Watcher and see everything that goes backwards and forwards. Did Glossaryck just become... apathetic to Magic as a whole? Did he care that the Whispering Spell existed, or did he not know it existed until Star did it at the end of season 1? And on that, why is the Whispering Spell able to destroy all of Magic as a whole? I was under the assumption that the Whispering Spell was meant to be the wand's self destruct button, not the main binder of the Multiverse itself! And assuming again that the Whispering Spell is made by a former Queen. Would that not mean that there is no wand anymore? Or did the High Commission make a new wand because some queen blew up their old wand, and didn't bother telling anyone about it?! They're not above changing royal bloodlines, so I'm not surprised if they're quick to change a royal fuck up like "oops I made a spell to blow up my wand!" and even then, THAT SPELL WOULD BE SCRUBBED FROM HISTORY! WHY IS IT A THING?!
Even if the entirety of season 4 was pretty weak I was really hoping for the finale to be the best part because the best part of any season of any show is the finale
I really think the show always suffered from being unfocused. Because that was the style of narrative they are going for, episodic plots. And that ended up hurting the show in the long run, because they set up so many things, and keep going back and forth with plotlines. never commiting to one way or another. Most, or every flaw you pointed out is caused by this. They had countless opportunites to flesh out relationtships, and integrate themes but they rather waste on filler episodes for some reason. Always keeping the status quo to generate a conflict that is not necessary, like "Is Eclipsa evil? Oh.. I dont know". "Is Starco going go be a thing? It can't be now because otherwise there is no "conflict"". Characters keep going back and forth in a endless cycle for no reason. I really don't understand why they decided to take this approach, consdering they walso wanted to tackle more complex situatons. I always loved this show, but this was always holding it back to become something great.
Finally, someone who gives valid reasons to call SVTFOE season 4 average. You even taught me things dude. Thank you. I don't agree that season 4 is the weakest (I have reasons to think season 2 is bad) but I'll roll with it for how disappointing it was.
@@InazumaSensei I could get into detail, but there's no way I can summarize the explanation; I'd need a full vídeo for that. I mean is not that I don't like season 2. I actually learned to enjoy it. But the more I thought about it I found problems.
Can we also Talk about why Star and her mother can use magic, have the magical cheek marks and turn into butterflies when they are not actually descendants of the butterfly family?!
The realization that Star could have just made a new spell that would remove all the magic in someone. Basically a killing spell with no deaths. But why make new spells.
Oh boy, I can't wait for Owl House to end with Luz casting a spell that obliterates all magic rendering all this world building to be completely pointless, because that's totally how you're supposed to end a show like that, right?
honestly seeing how season 1 turned out i'm i know what going to happen season 1 it's good you just need to chill out season 2 THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER season 3 how did this show turned out so bad
My SVTFOE Ending: Have Toffee or Seth be the endgame villain and possibly have Toffee’s original ideals be correct in the end for some nice philosophical imagination for people to speculate about (that sounded pretentious) Marco and Jackie are together Tom and Star are together (i’d prefer not to have this but itd be more likely) Mewni and Earth DO NOT merge, it makes no sense; Magic also is not destroyed as this caused mass genocide over MULTIVERSES High Commission are actually good characters, you could have Rombulous switch to a Villain possibly but at least have development
I didn't despise it like some but you can't blame the channel for not "giving them enough episodes" when they had so much filler in the first half and then suddenly "STOMP ON THE GAS, IT'S PLOT RESOLUTION TIME."
It also only need Season 1, Season 2, Battle for Mewni, then maybe just maybe you can have season 3 for Elicapsa and Meteroa, but as good as Elicapsa was, a lot of the monster racism stuff was really not handled well.
And it was said they were fully aware of being limited to what they had and they still went along with what they did
Its not disneys fault anyway they knew they were only getting 4 seasons from the get go
they knew they had 4 seasons as well right??? i can excuse it in shows that get cancelled but they KNEW how much time they had
@MegaChickenfish
Actually I do blame the channel, because from what I understand they asked for the filler under the impression that comedy episodes do better than action/adventure episodes of SvFoE.
Toffee wanted his finger back so he could flip people off effectively.
yup
He wanted to flip the writers off. He knew how it would all turn out after all.
Before he could only give 50% effective fuck yous
He could do it with his other hand, but when both hands can stick it up, his flipping is God-tier
@@darkuscarlet lmao
The entire last season felt like it was either wasting time, or trying to burn through the plot as quickly as possible.
The whole season was garbage what a fucking train wreck of a season especially episode 20 where like game of thrones many character assassinations were made and the whole plot was a dumpsterfire
It felt like that person who just remembered in the middle of the night they have an essay due to tomorrow and tries to cramp everything they can into a sheet of paper.
I’d just have preferred if it had remained like season 1 and 2, where Marco or Star fucks something up, they try to fix it, Monsters appear, they get their ass kicked, and then star and Marco keep... star and marcoing
The part I hated the most was the destroyed the magic on impulse
That was it, they expected a 5 season since they didn't get it they had to rush and entire plot and made up a finale with no plot hole or unsolved issues .... the solution lets kill everyone
I shipped Starco up until the last season when it felt forced and stopped making sense. I don’t ship TomStar purely for the reason that I believe Tom deserves better
We all knew Starco was gonna happen. But HOW it happened is the real problem.
1: Star and Tom breaking up in "Lake House Fever" would've been better for the character development. Plus your right. Tom puts in so much effort and change that when he confronts Star about her and Marco kissing, he doesn't explode in anger he's hurt and betrayed.😢💔 (But "Teenagers Are Dumb! They Break Up All The Time!". Right Daron Nefcey!😠)Them breaking up that early would have taught Star that she was a bad girlfriend and should've just focused on helping Eclipsa not suck at being queen.
2: In "Kelly's World" Marco and Kelly shouldn't have started dating at all! Kelly did need to move on from Tad. But not by dating Marco, but by exploring and trying new things. Also, if Marco really loved Star he wouldn't get together with someone because he's conflicted about ruining his friendship with both Star and Tom.
Someone in the comments said that there was no point to Starco because Star and Marco didn't learn any impactful lessons before getting together.
Also, if they used The Photo from "Booth Buddies" as plot device to remind them of their feelings for each other after having the Blood Moon Curse lifted it would've made them getting together feel more satisfying.
#thankyou!!!! Tom was the greatest
Tom, his only sin was fell in love with a Thot
@Kay Gregory Garcy Heck yeah, Tomco shippers rise up!
@Kay Gregory Garcy PERFECT, because BOTH deserved better
in my opinion, making mina the final villain was the fatal flaw, she's not threatening at all I don't care about her. she's a joke
They could have transformed Mina into a more serious villian while still maintaining her charm, like they did with Ludo. They could've had her actually go nuts seeing monsters living among mewmans and everyone being fine. They could've showed Mina actually supporting racism and getting a large following of mewman supermesists, and even have the audience sympathize for her in the end because of her insanity, but no. Doing THAT would take away from Starco, which is all anyone cares about.
RIghT?!
They could have kept moon as the villian, but make sure it didn't come out of nowhere
@shaquille mccray
Wait a minute, remind me who Seth is. I can’t remember him.
Assuming that the writers actually properly developed the idea by having likeable Mewmans, I feel like Moon would have worked the best as a season 4 villain. She is the one who pushed Mewni back into the war against the monsters, so having her be the bad guy in a plot about bringing together both sides makes sense. If she bonded with some Mewmans who feel like they were wronged by Eclipsa I could see her growing to see herself as a defender of those people. Instead the idea barely gets developed and she helps Star at the end despite no realization that she was in the wrong, only that Mina was insane.
@@nixxdra Seth trained toffee
Star basically committed genocide at this point.
Magical dimensions, any sort of inter-dimensional family would probably be shattered, etc
Writers be like: end after defeating antogonist? Thats boring... lets make our main character(it is not marcos plan its all star) do war crimes but not like steven universe did. I mean consiouss and intended way
Some people will say star had to do that but her mother did "180°" in same season... it could be seperated completely at least
Her mother was at least reasonable and trusting nina is illogical xddddd. Nah it is just a story about how season 4 ended to me
@shaquille mccray closer to say she committed 2 counts of assisted suicide (Glssyryck and Heckapoo) and 1st-degree serial murder.
Yup
she did, but on a much smaller scale than mina and on a group of beings that were made solely to aid magic and its users, and without magic they would have no reason to exist anyway. sort of a Mr meseeks situation
I think the most upsetting thing about season 4 is how badly it screwed over the main characters. I always praised this show for its central cast, all the characters were great and played off each other. Star was my absolute favorite, I jokingly called her my favorite Disney princess all the time. But in season 4 she’s terrible, her personality shifts constantly to push the writer’s agenda, and it makes her ridiculously unlikable. Everyone (in the show) always compliments her for “how far she has matured” when honestly, all she did this season was regress as a character. Marco and Moon were pretty unpleasant this season as well, but I digress. Tom is the real MVP this season
Tom deserved the whole world and the writers just SHAFTED him.
spookiew Kelly was also the only characters that was consistent in that season as well. Kelly deserves just as much love as tom especially since they did her more dirty then they did Tom. At least that’s my opinion.
Star became unlikable in season 4. Season 4 was a horrible let down.
Moon! She was one of my favorite characters! She started out as the unlikable posh strict mom caricature, that literally caused psychological problems for Star, but overtime we see there is more to her. We see that she is actually quite mature and see her acknowledge Star‘s good sides as opposed to only criticizing her. We see her being genuinely worried about Star, slipping out of her perfect „everything under control facade“. And we see why she became the way she is: she used to be just as awkward and carefree as Star, but had to take an enormous responsibility at only 14 years old and therefore had to grow up too fast. We even get to witness her first steps at that. We see her struggle with the loss of her mother and her new responsibilities before succeeding. I was very interested in seeing her grow further, but unfortunately she kind of slips back into the old posh strict mom caricature in season 3. She is not understanding of Star anymore and treats her like a nuisance and forgets her previously learned lessons (monsters are similar to mewmans, battle for mewni) and refuses to learn any new ones (Eclipsa isn’t evil, proven numerous times). In season 4 she just lazes around for the majority of her screentime and ignores all trouble, which just completely contradicts her responsible nature. And at the end... wow! The twist makes absolutely no sense. It was always important to Moon that Star got more responsible, so why would she destroy everything Star worked for? Not only that, but she put her beloved daughter in mortal danger. Her motive doesn’t make sense either. Eclipsa didn’t mean to curse Moon. She only wanted to protect her daughter, something that moon should understand, and the fact that Moon went missing was beyond her control and not done on purpose, also she redeemed herself by cursing Meteora. Why would Moon still be upset enough to betray her? The thing about twist villains is, that the villain has to be not only surprising, but also logical. Moon would be one of the most shocking twist villains of done right, but as this completely disregards her personality and values, it just doesn’t make sense and doesn’t have this shocking effect. You can’t just randomly make a character a twist villain to make the story more interesting. It doesn’t and on top of that ruins the character.
Sry, if this got too long, I got carried away as I used to really care about the characters of SVTFOE, but it got kinda ruined in S3 and obviously ruined in S4. Also let’s not talk about this dumpster fire of a finale, thanks.
Sa Kura Exactly this!! I didn’t touch on Moon’s character in my original comment since I didn’t want it to run too long, but she was certainly one of the most disappointing aspects of season 4. The fact that the show was able to do grossly misunderstand one of their most important characters is baffling to me. I see what they were trying to do, I really do, but like most of the pieces of this season, there was no buildup to her betrayal and it made it feel unsatisfying and out of character. It sort of feels like, in these last few episodes, the writers wrote her as a twist villain first and a mother to Star second. There is no way Moon would ever act this irrationally and put her daughter in such danger. BfM Moon and season 4 Moon are just not the same character anymore.
man apparently its a sin to keep boys and girls best friends for one single show
Infinity Train Book 2 did it.
@@DarknesstheHedgehog6 i know that it happens, im making a joke about how starco was useless
Espically if it is on Disney Channel. Your a main boy you're a main girl kiss. So cliched.
It’s why I wasn’t a fan of Korrasami. Why did they need to be a couple in the end and not just be friends along with Bolin. We can forget about Mako though.
Brandon Lyon bro mako’s decent bolin is just an overstretched joke that got stale
Honestly, the show would've been better off if they just made Cornonation the series finale. It wasn't perfect, but it definitely would've been a better ending than the one we actually got.
Or they could've just fought Mina and had an epic battle without destroying magic. But as always, the season could've been written better!
Yes!👏👏👏👏
@@danielkrause1357 I know right?!😎
@@danielkrause1357 Right?! I was so hyped for a final battle, that Star would snap out of her stupid tantrum and actually come up with a plan that makes sense. I thought that, since they have the book of spells back and all, they might use one of the old queens' spells like Skywynne's time-stopping spell or maybe use Eclipsa's "evil" magic to save the monsters or best yet, maybe they go through Solaria's chapter and find a way to reverse the magic on the Solarian warriors. There were so many options! And that's just with the spellbook!
@@keenahgamboa well now I've got to ask. What do you think about Toffee and how his character was handled in the last season?
And also, Marco's cheek marks? Naming his sister Mariposa
(Spanish for Butterfly). Marco being affected by Eclipsa's Dark Chapter.
My question is; "Is Marco related to Eclipsa?"
Star vs has the interesting distinction of being about the only program I've ever seen where the fanfiction is consistently better than canon. The characters and settings are so good that almost anyone can do a better job with them than the actual writers.
theres rwby where the fanfiction is also better than the main show
Wow, really? If I wrote a fic after that ending, I'd have almost everyone die in WW3.
Steven universe is like that too. Theres so many creative and fun aus the fans literally take the characters and give them a better development
I've seen Miraculous Ladybug fanfics that handled a lot of things better than the actual show. I still like it, but it's actually a pretty bad show. It's like entertainment junk food. It's gotten better recently, but it's still not great.
The show has a lot of the same flaws as svtfoe, some really bad, and really lazy writing, especially in season one where it was *very* formulaic, and dragging out the whole "will they won't they" of the main characters, even introducing two alternative love interests for both of them to make the audience think they won't ever end up together, but I think we all know that's not true.
Just like we all knew that Star would end up with Marco.
@@goldenapple3952 I consider the main characters well handled in that show. But BOY are the villains wasted.
I love your suggestion of how the Blood Moon Curse should have gone, so much better than how it actually happened. As you described your idea for it, I actually felt the physical urge to go watch it as if it was real. God, someone needs to write that fanfic.
It’s pretty much a huge jab at shippers too, and I mean the crazy ones. Like the fan fiction episode of Big Hero 6.
Ikr Thought that was how it would go too! Upsetting tho can't change it..
Glad to hear people's thoughts I never heard before
Or, everything was hectic, they just removed a curse placed upon them that had manipulated their feelings, and wanting to return something more comfortable they clung to each other, which while good friends aren't the best for each other romantically as they can drag out each other's worse vices and after the moment passes, they will realize this and realize that they threw away at least three perfectly fine relationships between them for what amounts to "The main boy and main girl need to kiss at the end"
This is the REAL purpose for fanfiction
A Fallen Knight by Code Name I am NRG
www.fanfiction.net/s/12733555/1/A-Fallen-Knight and its sequel www.fanfiction.net/s/12801097/1/A-Fallen-Dark-Knight
Seth should have been the main villain of S4. He could be revealed to be manipulating mina for the entire season and start a war between humans and monsters while he prepares his own army to take over and kill both sides. He was teased in the guidebook and could have been built up to be the big bad of the series.
Hell they should have had you write the season, you already out pace the real writers by having continuity from the extra material
If the delivery was great, it sounds like a badass idea
Like, let’s be honest here
Seasons 1 & 2 were fantastic and just... pure joy in a can
Season 3 started walking to a cliff
And Season 4 it jumped off with glee
By that logic, what episode from season three would have stopped from the free fall walk? I like to hear it. XD
Yeah that's pretty much how it went.
T. Thomas season 3 episode 1-4 is when it decided to go towards the cliff, with minor stops where an episode was just nice, though the general trend of the season was just rushing towards that cliff, and I’d say that between the season 3’s final 4 episodes and season 4’s first 4 episodes it jumped off, and in the last 6 episodes of Season 4 it managed to break past terminal velocity and it the ground dick first
In mg opinion season 3 was pretty good. Having meteors as the villain was a pretty awesome idea ESPECIALLY with her back story.
In my opinion season 1 was a little lame. Season 2 was really enjoyable but season 3 was just fantastic for me. And season 4 was ok.
I would rank the seasons like this:
1. season 3
2. season 2
3. season 4
4. season 1
Season 1: cool show, kinda cute and very bubbly. :)
Season 2 and BoM: wow, it’s getting serious :0 I‘m really hyped now :D
Season 3: ok, I’m beginning to see a few problems, but there are still interesting elements :)
Season 4 and the finale: why... how could they make the show so boring and shallow and obnoxious at the same time. There were so many interesting things inside the show they could have elaborated. But they chose the societal problems of all things and developed them in the most uninteresting way possible! So many things are rushed, came out of the blue and defy things from before. And don’t let me get started on the finale!
The finale is basically just Doom Eternal, but Disneyfied, no hero to save the Earth, and causing multiversal genocide
I will never forgive them for how they treated Ludo in the 4th season.
same with tom
Neither i, but i'm happy of how he ended
Bro Tom is my all time favorite character I loved Him so much
You guys are talking about ludo well toffee has done by the writers very dirty like,they just killed him off very quickly and btw while I do like the redemption of tom in my book him and eclipsa are the only good character left in season 4.
Ludo was one of my favorites😌✊
The whole thing about magic was that the Queens of Mewni had managed to abuse the monsters like they did because they had the unfair advantage of magic, and that if magic didnt existed, they would be at the same level, like, the cause of genocide and abuse would be gone. Which makes sense in theory but is a faulty premise. Its the equivalent to make all guns disappear to end murder; people will find another way to kill each other. What should have been done was to introduce bureocracy to mewni and restrict spell making, magic usage, ban it from military choices and so on and on. Is specially jarring because with Eclipsa and then Meteora as queens, those things werent likely to happend again.
Well stated😃. As always, good plot, continuity(and I cannot stress that enough😡), and good writing makes a story worth coming back to for more.😔
But instead we got "Gitter In A Bowl Of Jello" of a 4th season😕. It looks all good and shiny😍, but just doesn't sit in your stomach right, leaving you upset.😒😞
Except that isn’t true. Without magic the monsters are way more powerful than mewni so they could just reverse the tides and oppress them.
Or make it so everyone has equal amounts of magic, so no one can overpower someone else using magic.
Naoru Reimarch what do you mean to “stop a genocide” they didn’t stop one they said fuck it and caused another one themselves killing Magic’s beings because royalty fucked up and snowballed there problems
The dumbest thing is that the mewmens NEEDED magic to fight of monsters like Toffee. Even with magic the mewmens were driven back to the castle.
Now immortal monsters can just wipe out the mewmens without problems.
Forgot to point out that with Mina still alive & running about, it's only a matter of time before she discovers guns & politics & will gain a even bigger army made of humans from Earth who just had all this dropped on them without warning.
Not to mention Toffee's boss, Seth, (the guy responsible for most of the problems in the show) is still canonally alive & is probably lurking around somewhere planning to go after the rest of the Butterfly family, who are probably unaware of his existence cause was never introduced in the show, & without any more magic to protect themselves, they F'ed themselves & society in the long run.
Plus I think that when they stopped being magic they should have stepped down as rulers.
@shaquille mccray Well its a kids show not real life
@shaquille mccray But they wished for it.
@shaquille mccray Right and it's never taken seriously and don't forget that there's not any actual real life violence I
Yeah, with Mina will most likely team up with the government from Earth since they will all have a common enemy: monsters
I liked Marco and Kelly together. Yeah, I always knew they weren't gonna be the end couple but surely the writers could have treated their relationship a little better than unceremoniously ending it between episodes. I did ship it (ships don't have to be canon) but if I had known how short it would ultimately be and the ridiculous way it would end, then I'd rather the writers hadn't done it at all.
@Dark Shadow Storm yes. I just liked their chemistry and would have wished that it had a point. That's all. Relationships don't have to be final to have a point.
Dark Shadow Storm I’m sorry but with how much time they devoted to developing Marco and Kelly’s relationship, that “red herring” excuse holds no water. They devoted a lot of scree time to this pairing, similar to Star and Tom’s relationship, and keep in mind that this little romance arc spanned over two seasons and they even had an episode in season 4 dedicated to their relationship, you can’t just spend that much time on a relationship only to drop it OFFSCREEN. I’ll be blunt with you here, all of that time spent with them is POINTLESS now because they didn’t even conclude it on screen. And it doesn’t make ANYONE happy. The people who were invested in Kellco will only be disappointed and outright angry at this and people who wanted the show to develop Starco will only be pissed that it wasted so much time on Kellco that could’ve been used to develop Star and Marco’s relationship, which would’ve been a much better decision since Starco was the ship they actually finalized. Overall this was just stupid and weak writing that makes me question how much the writers actually thought through the story.
KellCo was honestly my favourite ship, didn’t like starco because I saw them more as friends, and not every friend has to get tougher. But what annoyed me was that kellco ended off screen because of the writers Biased for starco
@Dark Shadow Storm They weren't supporting Starco in season 1 at all. There were possible hints, but Marco and Star clearly weren't meant for that.
@Dark Shadow Storm I honestly still think that it wasn't originally meant to be despite the references. It honestly shouldn't have happened either, with how they were starting to settle into relationships that were healthier for them both, though Tom deserved hell of a lot better than Star, because she's too immature.
I think we just wanted more toffee.
I just wish did many things different.
They should not of forced starco.
Mina should have never been a final villain.
I don’t think Star and Marco should end up each other, I think be better if they stayed best friends.
Personally, I'm a light Starco shipper but I agree with the forcing of the ship. If it had built up better, I would have been okay with it.
Hooded Raire I do agree with that
I also wanted more Toffee... The "Toffee was right" quote was a bit satisfying at least. lol
And yeah, especially with the way the relationship was going, I also would've preferred and liked Marco and Star to stay just best friends.
Exactly.
@@47ratsinahoodie how was it forced? There was development since season 1.
I’m a 22 year old man who likes Star vs and I agree the shipping got stupid in the final season. The whole Marco and Kelly thing felt like they thought this show was gonna have another season so they had to prolong the “ the will they, won’t they” only to scramble at the end basically amounting to Marco using Kelly to avoid his feelings with Star. In a way making it just as or even worse than how Star treated Tom.
Instead of destroying magic, Star should've created a means that would decide who's fit to use it or not; like a sort of failsafe.
For example, Moon's actions towards Eclipsa would've caused this failsafe to momentarily or permanently cut off her magical power. But destroying it altogether also destroys billions of lifeforms who live off of it or were born from it.
As for idiots like the High Commission, they were failures at their job anyway. So, their deaths weren't very tragic. If anything Glosseryck was the only capable one who managed magic.
As far as I'm concerned, I only cared about two things in Season 4; Globgor and Eclipsa's history and Princess Penelope Spider-Bite getting together with Slime
hekapoo was a good person though and she didn't deserve to die
Glossarick screaming GLOBGORRRRRRRRRRE
Back when Season 1 aired, I was all for Star and Marco, but by the finale, not so much. It ended up feeling forced with a needlessly complicated love... I wouldn't call it a triangle... more like an hourglass or something. And they had ideas that seemed to hint at something, only to not go anywhere. Like when Ludo pulled out those handmade statues of Star and Marco, but it never leads to anything. I also remember hearing that the voice actor for Tom hated the finale because of how his character was basically pushed aside.
Also, realistically speaking, a small group of teens can't expect to end racism when it's been so prevalent for thousands of years in a single day or in a few days. That stuff takes a lot of time and tensions simmering down naturally. Forcing two races and cultures together only cause a culture clash in which both sides start to hate each other more.
Really? Tom's VA hated it too?
@@YujiUedaFan Yeah. I can't remember where he mentioned his disdain for the finale, though.
i've heard this before somewhere... can someone PLEASE send me a source of an instance of rider strong saying he didn't like tom's treatment in the show?
@@aesthedicks5103 Sorry if this reply is one year too late but there is something:
From tvtropes, the trivia entry off the show, the trope off creator backlash:
Tom's voice actor, Rider Strong, wasn't very happy with how his character was handled in the latter half of Season 4, mainly the fact that he broke up with Star with a poor excuse just so she could get together with Marco in the end.
Oh I wish the blood moon did what it did and ended on tomstar and kellco.
Having the blood moon be some allegorical message that main characters can remain friends and overall its toxic to push people together because they're friends when its against what they want.
That would've been AMAZING, and shown a lot of growth for the characters while also subverting a cliche.
In fact it feels like their desperate attempts to make starco work just drag down the show and make it more cliche and less interesting.
Tomstar is a genuinely fascinating relationship with problems and bonding and star and Tom work with each other like a real couple, they're not perfect but being imperfect doesn't mean they can't improve. Not to mention I liked the idea of them getting back together better then before and improving each other, not to mention the potential for Tom to help star further advocate for monsters.
But the show didn't do this because of starco, they avoided this potential to be like "nah, they can't work things out, they don't need to move on or learn to let go".
Starco serves no purpose thematically, theres no reason to get them together because nothing is really stopping them and they never conquer anything internally before they date.
Jarco was about Marco coming out of his shell and gaining courage and not putting jackie on a pedistle and recognizing her as a person instead of a fantasy.
Tomstar was about learning to do better for someone and to respect people's wishes and all about second chances and that they're ok.
Kellco was about moving on and finding happiness elsewhere instead of focusing on what you don't have or on a dream. Marco and Kelly wanted to move on instead of wallowing in misery about star and tad for the rest of their lives.
Starco has none of this, theres no emotional hurdles to go through to get them together. Star nor Marco changes themselves as a person for the other in a romantic way, neither ever put the other on a pedistle, they don't learn anything that make them getting together more satisfying for their characters.
They both wave off their previous relationships as if they meant nothing and don't appear to learn anything from then so instead after watching star be awful to Tom for awhile we're just supposed to be ok with her in another relationship instantly despite how bad it was.
The idea of then moving on from each other could've been touching but based on the ending the show seems to think if you just string along your partners eventually the person you should be with will eventually reciprocate your feelings and you can ditch that love with no repercussions.
Moving on doesn't work when the characters don't actually move on and end up with said person anyway.
Starco could've been more interesting but it wasn't, nothing was really learned, there were no insightful things it had to say romance wise, there was little about it that made it different from other relationships like it, and it feels like the show could've removed it for the most part and little would change.
They got together cause people wanted them to and for no other reason without any consideration for anything else.
I want the show to be rebooted someday. It has great potential under the right crew, but this end was a mess and you get the impression the crew put what they wanted to do over what made sense for the story, characters, world, ect.
Cause boy, it sure doesn't feel like they realized the problem with removing magic till twitter bursted about star committing genocide.
@Dark Shadow Storm you're talking about what happened in the show, I'm talking about what they could've done instead to make everything less pointless.
@Dark Shadow Storm they were given 4 seasons and they even admitted they knew they would probably get four seasons.
If you know how much time you have before the show will end you'd think they'd use the time they had more wisely.
They may not have enough time for everything but that's no excuse on their part for not trying to wrap everything up more carefully when they knew how much time they'd have.
@Dark Shadow Storm that doesn't justify them not answering them.
Because most of the questions? They didn't even try to answer them.
We got several episodes dedicated to things that didn't end up mattering, they had time if they really wanted to answer some things.
@Dark Shadow Storm why would you plan a larger arc if you knew you'd only get 4 seasons tho?
Dark Shadow Storm Um that’s not true, Tom was actually the BETTER partner in his and Star’s relationship, he was extremely patient and understanding, even at times where he would be justified in being angry, while Star was just kinda pulling him along and literally tried to walk away from his house when he tells her that Marco told him about the booth kiss and that his mother knows instead of dealing with this like a mature person. Honestly I wanted Tom to dump Star simply because he deserves better than how Star treats him. And if Kellco wasn’t important than why did it’s development span TWO SEASONS? And why did it have its own episode in season 4 if it wasn’t important?
Tbh any Marco ship (excluding Marcapoo) feels creepy considering he's mentally much older than the others. Yeah the writers tryed to make us forget that by making him act his physical age, but we haven't forgotten
This is something I've also thought about, because those who ship Marco and Eclipsa gets seen as creepy as well. I don't ship it (Globgor is best boi), but attacking that ship for the age reason has always bugged me. But I guess it's a classic vampire like shipping. You know, hundreds of years old vamps getting with teenagers, but it's okay, they look like teenagers themselves. The things you think about when shipping isn't your whole goal in shows. xD
@@Sigrid.Magnus But that's still wrong.
@@YujiUedaFan I didn't say it was right. I was just saying people find it creepy as well. Because in actuality Marco is an adult dating teenagers. Writers didn't think that far, I think. So, that's actually creepy, but you know, Starco for life, right? Who cares, am I right? 😂
@@Sigrid.Magnus I don't like Starco.
The bigger question is: why even bother making him an adult at all?
"Can write two characters together but when you add a third one things are not good"
Sounds like they only know how to write development when its shippable.
Reminder that there are fans who like Star, Tom and Marco to be in a relationship.
Ishimaruuuu.
@@reasyrandom it's frustrating how their poly relationships could have geniuenely worked in the show. they all care for each other, they all were supportive when others were dating, they all complimented each other in three-side way. and wouldn't come out of nowhere. that would have been perfect! sigh.
@@DeathKitta Sadly, this is Disney, so anything other a hetero relationship was never going to happen
@@diyagore1784 Yeah( They would rather tease so they'll look progressive without actually being.
Star treated Tom like shit (she even CHEATED on him?! And drooled over Marco), and had the audacity to start making out with Marco A DAY after smh
Star’s character development just got thrown out the window, and they somehow made her character WORSE than when she was in S1 the first few episodes. The ending just proves how self centred she is as she basically caused a panic, not in her world, but in the ENTIRE damn multiverse, but it’s fine, cause she gets to stay with her TWO DAY boyfriend :)
The fact they kept hovering over the “is Eclipsa evil or not?” scenario makes it a lot worse because we’ve seen that she is willing to KILL her own child for the sake of a kingdom which ultimately hates her :/
A major issue of the last two seasons as a whole was the lack of build up for...everything. Season 2 built up Toffee for a full season that culminated into a very exciting final battle, even if the end to that story was a huge disappointment.
Season 3 and 4 was mostly made up of a couple episodes of buildup before solving the issue. Examples include: Meteora was a threat for three episodes before being taken down, Moon’s disappearance is only a problem for a few episodes, and the most egregious of this example, the buildup for destroying magic was a SINGLE episode. Star‘s decision to uproot the entire multiverse, killing millions of innocent people, destroying countless societies, and cut off any sort of interdimensional relationships was from a fucking TEMPER TANTRUM.
Thats cause nefci said there are no true villains every person has good and bad to them which i agree but in the series it translated to a boring trama with no villains so yh she was a terrible writer
@@latioswarshowdown1202 Villains can be written well without actually being pure evil. The problem is, it's weather or not you make the "good guys" cause more damage, to make the villains look less evil.
You're talking about something completely diffrent showdown.
@@YujiUedaFan the only time that works if they point it out to the characters so they can fix it.
@@sweetbabyrodney No it's not. Star caused more damage and killed more people than Mina wanted to.
The tangled 2017 series is better. It felt like I wasted 4 years on star. I just got into the tangled series last year it's so much better.
I can't watch Tangled because the animation reminds me of 6Teen.
@@YujiUedaFan and that's a bad thing? Futhermore, the artwork is gorgeous in that series especially the background art it's better than 6teen.
@@xblade149 Just the art style is like 6teen.
@@YujiUedaFan so, the story is good
@@xblade149 Something about I just can't get into it. Sure, I can appreciate things about the show but I just can't watch it without being bored
The worst part in my opinion, disney will probably never trust the writers with creative freedom for a while, because of the bad pr and publicity (the creators response to the controversy really didn't help) they basically now have daddy disney looking over there shoulders
Yeah... that's believable :(
Could be for the better, could be for the worse.
It's their fault for giving creative freedom to idiots who don't know what they're doing.
@@ginogatash4030They did know what they were doing. It's just they didn't know it was stupid.
@Dark Shadow Storm Actually, no. They say they had the ending figured out since the start of the show, so they had like 4 years to flesh it out. That's enough time. Still they didn't even try to flesh it out. That's the problem.
I am reminded of Once Upon A Time where the line "magic always comes with a price" was a mantra stated since the first episode. Blaming magic on all problems ever is just lazy. Instead SVTFE could have focused more on being responsible with magic and creating that order in the chaos that was created by the irresponsible stewards of magic.
Season 1: good
Season 2: great
Season 3: ok
Season 4: Dumpster fire
Agree
It's like a slow plane crash
The finale is horrible because it flips what was happening in Mewni. In Mewni, the monsters were under the heels of humans, which led to many conflicts and many wars.There was a lot of discrimination and hate and murder, and it was revealed that there were more human settlements than monster ones. Mewmans and monsters slowly began to get over their differences and the vestiges of a racist kingdom's history (personified by Meenah) were mostly rejected by the populace.
But then the Mewni and Earth dimensions fused.
FUSED.
Every geographical location got squashed together. Humans were seen, in the finale, running around in terror because of the appearance of monsters, who no one on earth has any experience with. Cars and houses were destroyed. Now we have a story of humans being displaced by monsters. They are NOT going to take this well, and Star has to deal with a victimized group suddenly being put on the side of unwilling victimizers. Everyone is going to be confused and angry and afraid.
And because magic is dead, all the portals to all the different universes have closed. Commerce has been limited to only being inside your own universe. Imagine the economic impact of multi-universe businesses suddenly being literally cut apart because some idiot girl decided that "oooo magic is sooo bad there's no way to use it responsibly". Friendships were torn. All of Stars friends were pushed back into the worlds they were born in (except Ponyhead, which makes no sense because she's also from another dimension, so basically she's now stranded away from all her family and her father, King Pony). I hazard to say that if Eclipsa and Globgor were married, then there were other intelligent inter-species relationships across the multiverse. Star basically said "fuck you" to all of them and destroyed families.
And every magical creature ever, both good AND bad, is now dead.
ALL of them.
Star is basically a goddess who got bored with her creations and decided to wipe the sandbox clean. And she was too stupid to realize that.
And the worst part is, Meenah is still around. Meenah is still alive and hateful and angry. And she's in the new earth with all the mewmans and humans and monsters.
Who are displaced humans going to listen to? A girl with hearts on her cheeks whose grandmother is married to one of the people who crashed into their houses and buildings? Or a girl who knows how to tug on people's heartstrings and is a primed manipulator and war strategist?
Star. Made. Her. Problems. 100. Times. Worse. And now she has no one to turn to for help. Because, once again, all the worlds are closed off forever.
Hopefully Mina NEVER Discovers Guns.
season one- was perfect and fun
Season two- pure gold
Season three- issue but watchable
Season four- fan service and train wrack
I think cartoon writers are just in over their head trying to talk about racism. I'm glad that people want to talk about complex issues but if you are going to you have to put a lot more effort into it than making some basic af analogy where there are mewmans and monsters and the mewmans were all racist but then most of them realized that racism was bad and everyone lived happily ever after.
I feel the same way about Zootopia.
@@hazy5552 Exactly, Zootopia represents these problems very well, but by the end of the movie suddenly everything is resolved. Uhh... NO, that's not how it works, in the real world if any of that happened, people would STILL be very racist and judgemental, even if it was revealed that the events were a conspiracy. The animals shouldn't have changed their ways just because a Bunny Cop revealed that it was one person's mastermind plan, most of them would've actually thought that was some lie to prevent the riots from happening, so in actuality they would still be racist towards carnivores.
The only reason the ending exists is because DISNEY, so EVERYTHING has to be resolved, even it it doesn't make sense.
It's not that they try to tackle racism, it's that they don't know HOW to tackle it. Most cartoons are trying to resolve everything with a simple solution, but in reality there's no simple solution, it's actually a very long and complicated process that can't be resolved in a short amount of time that TV series allow.
I think the purpose of making eclipsa a selfish person was to show the poor individuals that had magic but the writers where fumbling around so much this season that they failed to convay that correctly
Okay but what about.....
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Tom and Marco
So everything can be gay? Everything doesn't have to be gay.
@@xenosayain1506 So everything can be straight? Everything doesn't have to be straight.
Xeno Sayain Tom and Marco strangely had more of a bond than any of Stars relationships
@@miss.nobody2713 yeah, but it always came off brotherly. Mire comradery than sexual attraction. It is a bit of bias. I'm just sick of characters in a show being forced to be gay rather than making new characters In new shows or media. Holleywood has hijacked so much i have to remind myself not evergshow will go down that rabbithole.
@@xenosayain1506 I'm just sick of characters in a show being forced to be straight rather than making new characters in new shows or media.
Hello I'm here to spit [?] What I hated the most is that Nefcy tried to pitch this idea for like 8 years? (Not sure, but it was a lot) and you tell me she didn't had the time to make a good ending IN ALL THAT TIME? WHY SHE WANTED SO BADLY TO MAKE THIS SHOW IF SHE WAS GONNA DISRESPECT HER OWN CREATION whyyyy
When she first pitch her idea of Star vs it was about a fourth grader who thought she was a magic princess, but nobody want to air it and then she said it was because in 2007 nobody wanted to air a show with a female lead even though Kim Possible, Powerpuff Girls, and My Life as A Teenage Robot all air that same year
@@cheese4434 Yeah it doesn’t make sense the whole ‘no one wants a female Protag’ when their were so many animated shows with female protags happening.I’m guessing the real reason why the original idea didn’t air on Tv was probably due to something with the Premise or something she did.
@@cheese4434 That's indeed very suspicious from Nefcy. But seeing what Star Vs. turned out to be, I'm not surprised. In fact, Nefcy said herself that "teenagers are dumb". Yeah, she just called the majority of her fans "dumb". Someone who disrespects her fans doesn't deserve their praise in my book.
Season 4 was a Dumping Ground for all the ideas that the writers had prior. And didn't want to let Any of them go to waste. Regardless of how it would affect the story.
Star did not grow or change or even be in a static good place by the end of the series and thats why Star ended up sucking in my opinion. She might be the worst cartoon protagonist in modern history. She is for me.
Me during the first 10 seconds: DID YOU NOT SEE GAME OF THRONES!?
Seconds later: Ah... good... as you were.
Also love how you handled the horse-who-will-not-be-named, Mewman subplot, and the support characters.
Horse who will not be named?
I wouldn't say Tom was support, but he was the best character in Season 4.
@@delphoxhoopa7289 You-Know-Hoof.
@@reasyrandom Ponyhead?🤔
@@delphoxhoopa7289 Of course!
I think the show should have decided to have an overarching story early on, maybe half way into the first seasons or in the first few episodes of the second seasons. Season 3 ended pretty nicely so if Season 4 had built on that instead of trying to add a whole new story, it could have worked. Just find Moon and ditch the Mewmans on Earth if they don't want to live under Eclipsa. Magic could stay the same and the Mewmans wouldn't have to deal with monsters.
*"Star would be a bad person if she broke up with Tom"*
That reminds me of how in Naruto, the creator, Kishimoto, forced Sakura and Sasuke to end up together (despite their complete lack of chemistry and how he tried to kill her twice and assaulted her unconscious at least once.) because *"Sakura would be a bad person if she gave up on Sasuke"* - The guy who never loved her and has a history of being violent and abusive towards her. Yeah. Sure.
Greatsaiyakirby Well in context here I can see that opinion. I mean with how poorly Star treats Tom in season 4 and just how unlikable she can get in certain episodes, “Lake House Fever” being a big example of this, it would Star look like a bad person if she did so due to how shitty of a girlfriend she was in previous episodes. I honestly wanted Tom to break up with her due to how he can clearly do better.
but at the same time, Sasuke nearly killed Karin and Naruto, and for all this is normal.
Still, in Boruto, their relationship is shockingly functional and sweet. But yeah, they shouldn't have gotten together.
@@diyagore1784 Sounds like Boruto's trying to make up for the shockingly bad develoment between Sakura and Sasuke. A shame most of that development happened OFFSCREEN.
@@PlanetZoidstar I agree. My point was that the fact that it was shocking that their relationship was functional in the first place should have been a red flag. But then, I should have made that clear.
I Agree with everything said, but I have more complaints. Yes, I admit that the pure magic's lotus-eater effect was disturbing, but that was literally it for clues that it caused trouble. Honestly, the final would have been better if they had to destroy magic due to the entire pool being tainted by eclipsa's magic. Don't get me wrong I don't understand how her magic can taint the pure magic I mean she created it from that source, and even if it was different due to that spell making process, it is in essence just normal magic. Star made a huge point of that when she was defending eclipsa in her trial.
Wait that brings up an even more anger-inducing point. They made absolutely sure that we knew that her forbidden spells were not that bad I mean other queens made spells that sliced people in two and or literally pulled squirrels inside out, but HER magic has the corrupting influence? Becouse of this, the magic high commission were right about her needing to be locked up due to her indirectly causing magic to go violent and destructive. My god, I didn't realize until now that in the last few episodes that the ruined all of the eclipsa plotlines, she is a force of destruction that I assume would have destroyed the entire multiverse if all magic went dark. I mean toffee almost destroyed all magic the exact same way, and this version seems to be even more destructive to the point that most magical items would probably go on killing sprees if they got the chance.
Then there are the two conflicting plot points about magic and monsters that make everything more frustrating. Monsters wanted magic to make there lives easier, but they showed that magic made the mewmans too reliant on it, turning them into overgrown children. Were they suggesting that no one should have magic, or are they saying that everyone should? It is possible that if everyone had some contact to the magic, then it would be much safer do to the common sense that would start to develop in a larger magic-using society, and they would have a much stronger grasp on magic as a whole due to institutions being able to study it.
Seeing this made me realise we had 3 villians in the finale. 3 bad villians, all were pulled out of nowwhere and they did nothing
I feel bad for Tom he did not deserve what happened to him and star was just a terrible girlfriend to him he deserved way better
Okay here's my question about Star VS: Since when were mewmans activley hateful towards monsters? No think about it for a second, When this idea was introduced in mewnipendence day what was Stars reaction to the story when Marco pointed out how fucked up and horrible the holiday and the events it's actually based around were: She was Horrified. Star didn't hate monsters, she faught them because they were trying to steel her shit but she treated them like a nusance, she faught when they showed up then left them alone, hell she was casually talking with buff frong and acting as a babyswitter for Buff Frong. And this was Mewni's Princess, as in the person who benifited from the past the most and will have grown up in an area surounded by this stuff.; and she wasn't hateful, she was ignorant.
In my opninon that should have been how the whole show worked, not actively hateful, but ignorant and missguided; thus Star could actually make changes. Also we wouldn't need to nuke magic for whatever fucking reason.
Just because isn't hateful doesn't mean others wouldn't be. It's probably one the only examples of star being nuanced with it's ideas.
I'm so glad someone appreciates Tomstar...
And yes I KNEW from episode 1 the hour that it premiered in 2015 as a teen..
Even liked it for a couple months..
Star Vs, handled the themes of colonialism and racism as neatly as a toddler handling a Lego set. S3 and S4 were both disappointing and I do still like the S3 finale. This show is honestly to me a prime example of a cartoon that doesn't need an overarching story and would have been better as a monster of the week with smaller arcs.
Now that tehir worlds are fused it would be amazing to see all those weird diseases and stuff you described in the video but they won't do it.
I bet Disney won't pay for another season.
They know it was a disaster disney probably wont trust them after all the bad publicity they got
The talking horse who will not be named? Huh
PONYHEAD
how dare you
I'm conflicted.
The shipper in me is willing to ignore the major issues because Starco happened...
But, the writer in me _knows_ that this season was a train wreck and needs a major re-write.
the shipper in me is upset because Starco was rushed and unsatisfying
the shipper and mean felt like star and Marco had no romantic chemistry and it was just kind of awkward, literally Tom and Marco had more chemistry and they were friends
Alright how about this....
Star and Janna
There's Fanfiction.net for that shit
I'll raise you a tomco
@@PeruvianPotato give me the best Janstar fanfic off from that website please
@@robbiebrewer6153 Last time I checked a ship from that shitehole, I wanted to kill myself
Nah janna deserves better
I personally hate how the show acts like Globgor is a good person, despite having an entire palace full of celebratory mementos of his many horrible atrocities, and the only reason we are supposed to want to forgive this guy, who literally burned down villages and ATE PEOPLE, is that his new GF convinced him to be a vegetarian.
Not helped by the fact Globgor spends an exponentially longer time frozen in ice than ever being an actual character. Cause once they get him out, it's time to instantly incapacitate him again for the entire rest of the finale, and thus, series !
Boy the Eclipsa x Globgor dynamic is so fun, what with him.......existing.
5:00 There was this sub-plot where Toffee's corpse was polluting the magic dimension, which was being built up as why the dimension would be destroyed... then they forgot about that.
The weird ending showed magic creatures not being dead, so there's that.
one thing I didn’t like is how we hardly see just how bad toffee actually is? It’s implied that he’s a rlly bad guy and we only see like one battle with toffee. He isn’t actually shown as a proper threat. When we see younger moon defeating him we don’t actually see any of the damage he did to the kingdom, we only see moon cut off his finger. I just never really felt like he was an actual threat. Also that purple stuff on eclipsa and moons arms was never explained like uh what was that about?
To be honest, star never really wanted to be queen. So other than her finding out she wasnt a true butterfly,( still royalty cause of river though) I felt that she returned the kingdom to eclipsa to get out of being queen even though she wouldve been bad at it cause she wasnt mature enough for it. And most of that is her own fault. And for the dark millhouse. Weve seen it twice. Once when star went to the realm of magic to find moon,( it was drinking the dark magic moon washed off and got corrupted) and again in the finale when it's all grown up
Season 4 doesn’t exist. I wish for season 3 to be the canon ending.
I don't blame you.
I really loved this show and was following it for so long, it was actually a big part of my life for a while. Even watching several people react to it. I was really disappointed by the missed opportunities and the direction they went near the end of the show.
Without "Cleaved" and the last 5 mins. of "Tavern", Season 4 still would've been either pretty good, or lukewarm.
The problem is, they exist, and somehow, literally none of the characters...none of them come off sympathetic as a consequence. While everyone calls out Star, quite rightly, she did have to think quickly and she was arguably manipulated by Glossaryk with The Tapestry into the decision...
Glossarayk, who was the one that gave mewmanity the magic in the first place and decided to give Meteora the boost needed to implicate her, a baby into the mess.
But whatever, it's because of Moon's stupidity that the whole situation even happened. And we're supposed to see it as a small error of judgment.
Then there's Eclipsa, whose actions as queen brought the backlash to cause the final act, and she herself enabled Star.
Marco's only concern is a teenage selfishness of wanting to be w/ Star.
Hekapoo just wanted her own death at any cost.
And not one of them even stopped to think of the consequences. Not one of 'em.
Also, the audience surrogate of S4 is clearly Tom.
You know? This could been fixed in season 3 with a B plot or 'Meanwhile with Ludo/Toffee' plot line. Ludo still had Toffee's eye, so Toffee could've snuck out wherever Ludo is keeping the eye, slowly regenerated from that. maybe during the meteora vs Queen moon fight, he could've accidentally stumbled upon Moon get blasted by Meteora and flee into the portal. At the End of season 3, an epilogue with the head of Toffee talking to Seph about the whole ordeal. They talk about it's a good time to strike. Seph is now the series finale boss instead of Mina.
Edit: and then Toffee can get scaramouche'd when it's revealed that the star family wasn't truly weakened.
I think one of the biggest flaws of the series as a whole is they never fully explained what Toffee's goal actually was.
If he wanted to destroy magic ( which we find out in a filler episode in season 4 ) that's fine, but you could've given us an episode in season 1 or 2 to explain that. I love him as a villain, but they really didn't do a good job explaining what it was he was doing at all.
Why did he kill Moon's mother? What was his motivation for that?
Agreed :'(
Season 4 to me was so bad Thats it’s not canon. Also anyone found it strange when marco’s sibling was changed from a boy to a girl out of nowhere
i actually really how youre one of the only youtubers who mentions how the racism issue in the story could be easily solved in the show but is way more complicated in real life, which is a good point that everyone tends to ignore. also i agree that the mumins were annoying as hell
How is “flaming magical rainbows” simultaneously one of the gayest things I have ever heard and the one of least 🤣
Toffee was incredibly effective at the start when we knew for damn sure that he had some kind of fucked-up plan, but what that plan was was a complete mystery. He was in that perfect Magnificent Bastard zone.
Then he kind of vanished for a while, we got occasional nifty hints that he was still at play, and then he showed up in the Season 3 finale to get blasted by Super Saiyan Star and then crushed by a rock.
And we all thought "Oh, he'll be back, this is just the beginning, this is going to be so good."
Then he just didn't come back.
toffee just makes me sad with the ending of his character
I love how no one talks Bout Marco's brother being sex changed so he can have cute sister moments.
Xeno Sayain I’m perfectly okay with Mariposa being a girl. Just because the Marco JR thing was unnecessarily weird
@@SarcasticChorus I thought it was funny. Idc if the character is a boy or girl. It is just one of the best things to point out for continuity failure to push shipping bait.
I'm more surprised if isn't brought up more than I am angry at it.
@@xenosayain1506 They probably decided when they were "planning" out S4 they wanted to go back to the abs dimension and wanted to do a Eclipsa/Diez combo. Then decided their dynamic would be better as sisters than another guy/girl pair.
That implies there was planning for season 4
I think it was planned from the beginning. Tbh I always thought it was gonna be a girl. There was no way they were actually gonna let Marco have a little brother with the same name as him. And Mariposa (butterfly in Spanish) was to good a name to pass up.
Don't know if it's an unpopular opinion but I somewhat like it better when Star and moon were Royal. Eclipsa doesn't really seem to care that much and maybe she should have just let moon continue rolling since they accept her and maybe try to push changes.
I stopped watching as soon as he ditched Jackie to go to Mewni to be a knight. Same as when I stopped watching Last Man On Earth as soon as he didn't sleep with the hot blond
and now that I happen to know the magic's destroyed at the end, I really don't care
@@njnjhjh8918 you did the right thing. You know what happened in season 4 but Season 3 was very boring... it focused way too much on Starco and some moments were creepy.
I especially hate how the show treated Jackie. I'm thankful she was portrayed as a good person, but when the Blood Moon started forcing Starco to happen, it made Jackie look like an obstacle, not a character. That's the reason she never appeared again after she broke up with Marco, she was just a tool for the ship-war plot to happen. I DESPISE that, I really wanted Jackie to be a consistent character throughout the entire series, even if she wasn't going to end up with Marco.
You know what the worst thing about Season 4 was? It was delayed for almost an entire year. One entire year where they could have just developed and given us more lore and story based plot lines and even explain some of the monsters like Toffee & Seth and yet...they didn't even do that!
*"So, I basically sacrificed the multiverse to be with my boyfriend, sure millions or even billions died, sure, and most of them are probably good people, but, I get to be with my boyfriend so whatever :)"*
The finale of Star vs. Evil tries to pass off the final conflict of Gravity Falls as a good thing.
Let that sink in.
I know I’m late to this but I saw this in my recommended list and I agree with everything in this video except one thing. Eclipsa does care about her kingdom. Hear me out. In the book of spells, when Solaria was queen, the monster mewman war was bad. And I mean brutal. I don’t know when globgor and Eclipsa met or how they developed a relationship because the book of spells never implied any of that, but Eclipsa and globgor developed a relationship in their youth, and while solaria despises monsters and has the goal to erase the universe of them, Eclipsa had a fascination with them. So when she met globgor, they had to meet in secret because of the monsters and mewmans being aggressively genocidal/homicidal with each other and solaria would’ve sliced him up. And that’s what happened. Solaria hurts globgor making Eclipsa cry which made solaria feel hurt by this for upsetting her daughter so she backs off and spare globgor’s life at least. Despite he was the prince of darkness. There were so many nicknames that suggested globgor being a brute who slaughtered and consumed mewmans in the past, but that could’ve been due to the monster mewman genocide and we know globgor tends to be defensive when it comes to his subjects and his family being threatened. He did change drastically and even became vegetarian possibly even before he and Eclipsa actually started developing feelings for each other. Solaria was somewhat understanding of Eclipsa being in love with globgor but would not accept their relationship. She puts in her will that she should be married to the biggest douchbag himself, king shastican of the spider bite kingdom. And his sole purpose was to marry for status and didn’t care much about anyone or anything else. When solaria was assassinated, Eclipsa abide her mother’s wishes and married king shastican whom she didn’t even like. Her marriage to shastican only made the monster-mewman war much more brutal and the solarian warriors were still active and we all know how brutal and how their powers are basically in god mode. And the septarians weren’t easy to defeat either, they were immortal and couldn’t be killed properly. The solarian warriors do not obey the deceased queen’s daughter since their loyalty is to solaria and solaria alone, while the septarians couldn’t be diplomatically swayed by the prince of darkness, globgor, and they do whatever the hell they please despite the prince of darkness being strongly against toffee’s plan for mass mewman genocide. So globgor and Eclipsa tried their best to establish peace between both of their people and they would meet in secret in order to do so. They were desperately trying their hardest to make peace but that wasn’t possible because of the septarians set in their ways as well as the solarian warriors. Globgor did try to talk Eclipsa into running away with him in which she did turn down his offer at first because she wouldn’t feel right betraying her kingdom. Globgor told Eclipsa, “you already betrayed your kingdom by falling in love with me”. She does have her kingdom and her people’s best interest at heart no matter how hard it is because she so desperately wants to be with globgor. But then king shastican wanted Eclipsa to bare him an heir and understandably she didn’t want that, not with him. She did tell him that it wasn’t too late to have their marriage annulled. King shastican claimed to have possibly fallen in love with Eclipsa (bullshit) in which she replied “I’m in love with the prince of darkness, and I believe my marriage towards him could create everlasting peace between monsters and mewmans”. King shastican laughs in her face like she’s some foolish child. She got the name the queen of darkness when she declared her love to the prince of darkness. Meanwhile, globgor recounted his dealings with the septarians, at least enough to dull down their uprising, but he needed Eclipsa’s word that the solarian warriors wouldn’t act so aggressively towards monsters which would be like asking cows to stop grazing so she couldn’t promise that. So globgor once again asked her to run away with him to save both of their kingdoms in which she hesitated but eventually agrees. But of course the MHC and king shastican had to ruin everything by crystallizing Eclipsa, taking Meteora which enrages globgor. Globgor chose peace but they threatened his family which is a declaration of war which is in his right as the king of monsters. Eclipsa does care for her kingdom, she just didn’t know how to handle the pressure and did try to become a better queen, she just didn’t go about it the right way. You can’t blame her for wanting her family back after being separated from them for over 300 years. Eclipsa can be selfish but she’s not entirely selfish, I mean, she was willing to kill her own daughter to save the kingdom. You said all she cares about is her family and no offense but that makes you kind of sound like the MHC. Well what about the other queens. Queen Moon puts the protection of her daughter above her kingdom. Hypocritically, moon cares more about her family than her kingdom. Eclipsa did put the safety of the kingdom first when she willingly offed her own daughter and always did. And because she tried saving both of their kingdoms only to be imprisoned and separated from her husband and daughter for so long and killed her own daughter to save their kingdom after being separated from them for centuries which could cause severe PTSD for anyone, she has the right to be a bit selfish, but at least she was willing to give up on liberating her husband and put the kingdom first. And at least she confronted globgor before attempting her mother’s crystal breaking spell. Almost as if she wasn’t sure if she should free him and needed his thoughts on the idea. It’s like she tries to be responsible but she can’t help but want her family together again. Star just becomes overly responsible to the point that it gets annoying and other times she is irresponsible like when she left Eclipsa and Rhombulus in a room alone despite them trying to kill each other (well rhombulus was trying to supposedly kill her while Eclipsa was just having her defenses up). Honestly, Star may try to be responsible for her age but she’s no better, not really. She’s just all over the place. She’s all like “I’m a teenager, I don’t have to worry about shit” when she leaves rombulus and Eclipsa alone to kill each other, is childish and mean towards Tom, and is unnecessarily mean towards rasticore with short jokes, she irresponsible in surviving the spider bites at simple noticeable things on tour, a brat in junk in Jenna ( don’t know if I remember that correctly), acts dumb and rude in curse of the blood moon, an asshole in doop doop and cleaved. She may have pushed Eclipsa into being responsible but star is still making problems for everyone around her and not just with her friends and family but for Eclipsa and the MHC as well. Did she even take responsibility for causing problems for Eclipsa towards the spider bite family when she causes a misunderstanding that caused the spider bite family to feel mocked by Eclipsa for her husband eating king shastican (which he deserved)? no she didn’t. She just yelled at Eclipsa. True Eclipsa might share some blame for forgetting the spiderbite family but star was having her take all of the responsibility even for her own mess ups when she didn’t pay attention to specific details and didn’t apologize for any misunderstandings while Eclipsa did all of the apologizing. Eclipsa does try to be a queen, but nobody is willing to compromise because they hate her and are a bunch of racist biased assholes. Eclipsa went through years of conflicts that she tries so hard to resolve with no support from her people and no matter what she does she can’t catch a break and on top of that, she gets separated from her family for 300 years and at least she does get a second chance with her daughter, whom she killed but turns into a baby with no explanation because that’s not what the “black velvet inferno” spell does, so it’s easy for her to be a bit morally conflicted when all she ever does is try her best to do the right thing but constantly gets dumped on and lacks support from everyone except star. Star is the only one to ever try with Eclipsa. And like you said, the mewmans don’t deserve sympathy for the reasons you’ve mentioned but Eclipsa does still try with them. She even faced a solarian warriors head on solo in order to defend the civilians even the ones who hate her. She could’ve died and came pretty close and she knew that. She didn’t use the total annulation spell until star was threatened because it keeps going and destroys everything in its path. She was hesitant with risking the destruction of parts of the kingdom to defend herself but uses it to defend star. She’s actually quite selfless but the majority of the fan base doesn’t own the book of spells because it costs money.
You forgot about the most important overarching story this season: the beach photo. Because that was a plotline that needed to be stretched out.
One thing I never understood, if Moon and everyone after Festivia was actually just a normal Mewman, why did they have magic ??? Or well, the butterfly form? I mean Eclipsa and Meteora had the butterfly form and the cheekmarks...so did everyone after Festivia? But..they aren't related?
Could someone explain?
Magic exposure. And remember the mewmin are actually humans. It's was gloserick who introduce humans to magic
@@xblade149 true true!
But then why didn't other mewmen develop magical powers?
@@catgames703 gloserick used meterora rattle and insert a magic unicorn which transform into wand and gave it to humans yeah
The queens/butterflies are just like regular mewmans, but since they use the wand and wield magic even after they give it to their kid, the cheek Mark's are a sign of that magic descended in them (hence why Star and meteora have it before they ever had the wand.) So after a while the wand gave Festivia checkmarks and descended from there.
@@ravenpatronus9431 But Moon's aunt had cheelmarks???
but starcos all we care about, so its fine right?
right?
The one plot hole that could've fixed it was the "Booth Buddies" photo.
@@danielkrause1357 honestly the booth buddies photo was the absolute most useless plot of fanservice ive ever seen in a show. we easily could have a lived without it, and even tho i am/was a starco shipper im still furious at how they pulled that.
@@lumibaire5180 I'm also a starco shipper but at that time Booth Buddies aired, I let the excitement get to me so I didn't know what I was thinking. Now looking back at the entire show, I completely agree we could've lived without that episode. Season 3 was basically fanservice for Starco shippers which was very boring and season 4 made little to no sense.
@@ElectroBlastLuigi YESSS omg... when it happened i was on cloud nine but it served little to no use in the plot, the only thing im glad came out of it was tom saying "if i had kissed marco" because that was holy
@@lumibaire5180 lol i actually uploaded a clip of that for that reason. I'm surprised everybody talked about it in the comment section. Honestly, StarTom (or TomStar) and Marco x Tom were handled better than Starco but that TomStar breakup was out of nowhere and felt forced (but we knew it was coming at some point for obvious reasons) just like Starco kiss and when that ship became canon. I'm sorry if my comment confused you :/
Like with voltron, only two seasons exist, the rest is nightmare
The 3rd ain't that bad.
It's not that good either.
every thing went down hill onces they switched the lions. some parts in the later seasons were good
0:31 is a great visual of how to describe this season in a nutshell
Eclipsa never cared for being queen though, she never felt or took the responsibility seriously, so Star just flat out giving it to her then expecting her to fulfill the role, was Star’s own fault. She might have been acting queen, but Moon was still default Queen because her fate was unknown. So, Star didn’t have the right to give the throne back to Eclipsa. She could abdicate, but as soon as Moon returned the role should’ve been returned to her.
SVTFOE is a great show overall but it got bad on s4. They could've done anything else like the freeze time spell or simply made s4 fun episodes full of the show's original and individual awesomeness. Not all episodes were bad tho, it was the finale that ruined everything. Better finale would've equaled good s4 in my opinion
Honest Question for everyone: Do you think this finale is better, worse, or just as bad as the Voltron finale?
I genuinely can't decide and I'm trying to articulate just how bad it is to my friend, who's a big Voltron stan.
Oh hell to the nah voltron was way worse there finale was terrible at least star vs the forces of evil was on to something but voltron just said I want this show to be over already and did most halfass finale I've ever seen in my entire life
Man I really liked seasons 1-3. Its was sad seeing this show going out on a lackluster note.
Star handing the thrown to elipsa made no sense. While yes elipsa Is the rightful heir, her family has been over thrown for centuries. Making star and her family the rightful Queens. Also she made this decision without talking to her mother and father first and sent them into poverty, it wasnt right. I like elipsa but she had no right to the wand. Especially since nobody trusted her, in the end all of this was stars fault. If she didnt give eclipsa the wand then mina wouldnt have started that army nor would have moon make those citizen fight for the kingdom. Star wants to blame the magic when she should have blamed herself. Giving a queen that is seen as evil by everyone wasnt going to make the people, like monsters. It was going to take time.
2019 is like an curse year
Bruh are you even on 2020?
2 bait comments in a row
Screams in 2020
2020...
Star: "I SOLVED RACISM BY COMMITING GENOCIDE!"
#TomcoOTP
Can’t be racist, if there’s only one race
@@gigachadgaming1551 except there were very much still two races.
It's was like trying to stop the KKK from slaughtering millions of black people by dropping a bomb on the private island of some russian internet trolls.
You know what, I actually think Moon becoming the antagonist because of racism would've been really stupid. You know why? Because people forget that she had friendly relations with Luto's mom! Everyone forgets that!
Apparently even the writers forgot that!
My gosh, I hate this idea of trying to "wing it" when it comes to children cartoons that want to be serious. Look, that kind of idea works well for episodic type shows (which works best for pure comedy shows), but in terms of shows with an ongoing narrative and message, that's a terrible way to run things! It makes it so you forget things about your own story, and can make things feel rushed, clunky, or half baked. And it's especially not a good sytem for shows that want to tell a message because that makes things messy and poorly thought out, and might imply things you didn't mean.
Honestly, I do still like shows like Steven Universe and Star vs., but I just wish they were more thought out before airing.
I always questioned the idea of the Whispering Spell. Assuming a queen made it, which Queen thought of making a spell that not just destroys their royal marker. But is also capable of being utilized to begin a collapse of the entire Multiverse?!
If the theory of Glossaryck being some sort of deranged puppetmaster that lead to this conclusion is correct, then that means he knows that the Whispering Spell already existed and which Queen was going to invent the Spell.
But if Glossaryck knew that if Magic goes, than he goes too. WHY WOULD HE TELL A QUEEN ABOUT THE WHISPERING SPELL IF HE KNOWS THAT IT CAN KILL HIM IF USED CORRECTLY?!
If Glossaryck isn't some evil puppetmaster like the theory states, and he just is able to be like...the Watcher and see everything that goes backwards and forwards. Did Glossaryck just become... apathetic to Magic as a whole? Did he care that the Whispering Spell existed, or did he not know it existed until Star did it at the end of season 1?
And on that, why is the Whispering Spell able to destroy all of Magic as a whole? I was under the assumption that the Whispering Spell was meant to be the wand's self destruct button, not the main binder of the Multiverse itself!
And assuming again that the Whispering Spell is made by a former Queen. Would that not mean that there is no wand anymore? Or did the High Commission make a new wand because some queen blew up their old wand, and didn't bother telling anyone about it?! They're not above changing royal bloodlines, so I'm not surprised if they're quick to change a royal fuck up like "oops I made a spell to blow up my wand!" and even then, THAT SPELL WOULD BE SCRUBBED FROM HISTORY! WHY IS IT A THING?!
Star vs the forces of evil season 4 was so underwhelming. It had so much filler episodes, I was ready to stop watching the season.
“Toffee, the most overhyped character in the show.”
Instant subscribe.
Even if the entirety of season 4 was pretty weak I was really hoping for the finale to be the best part because the best part of any season of any show is the finale
*me waiting for a season 5 so they can explain what the fuck they were thinking with season 4*
I really think the show always suffered from being unfocused. Because that was the style of narrative they are going for, episodic plots. And that ended up hurting the show in the long run, because they set up so many things, and keep going back and forth with plotlines. never commiting to one way or another. Most, or every flaw you pointed out is caused by this. They had countless opportunites to flesh out relationtships, and integrate themes but they rather waste on filler episodes for some reason. Always keeping the status quo to generate a conflict that is not necessary, like "Is Eclipsa evil? Oh.. I dont know". "Is Starco going go be a thing? It can't be now because otherwise there is no "conflict"". Characters keep going back and forth in a endless cycle for no reason. I really don't understand why they decided to take this approach, consdering they walso wanted to tackle more complex situatons. I always loved this show, but this was always holding it back to become something great.
the entire Season 4 of Star vs the Forces of Evil was a Complete Dumpster Fire of a Mess and there series finale was Complete Garbage Starco SUCKS
Finally, someone who gives valid reasons to call SVTFOE season 4 average. You even taught me things dude. Thank you.
I don't agree that season 4 is the weakest (I have reasons to think season 2 is bad) but I'll roll with it for how disappointing it was.
Season 2 bad? _Legasp_
@@InazumaSensei I could get into detail, but there's no way I can summarize the explanation; I'd need a full vídeo for that.
I mean is not that I don't like season 2. I actually learned to enjoy it. But the more I thought about it I found problems.
There's plenty of valid reviews calling out season 4 aljandro.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Alright, but I never found one of those
@@darryl0745 you can check out blue orders breakdown of it.
Can we also Talk about why Star and her mother can use magic, have the magical cheek marks and turn into butterflies when they are not actually descendants of the butterfly family?!
I like to pretend this story never existed
Doesn't everyone?
13:42
There's a comment here that says, "SVTFOE:
Target audience: innocent children
Real audience: *we never had a teenage love*
(Sad adult noises)"
The realization that Star could have just made a new spell that would remove all the magic in someone. Basically a killing spell with no deaths. But why make new spells.
Oh boy, I can't wait for Owl House to end with Luz casting a spell that obliterates all magic rendering all this world building to be completely pointless, because that's totally how you're supposed to end a show like that, right?
honestly seeing how season 1 turned out i'm i know what going to happen
season 1 it's good you just need to chill out
season 2 THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER
season 3 how did this show turned out so bad
At least with the owl house destroying magic might be plausible considering the whole titan thing and day of unity
My SVTFOE Ending:
Have Toffee or Seth be the endgame villain and possibly have Toffee’s original ideals be correct in the end for some nice philosophical imagination for people to speculate about (that sounded pretentious)
Marco and Jackie are together
Tom and Star are together (i’d prefer not to have this but itd be more likely)
Mewni and Earth DO NOT merge, it makes no sense; Magic also is not destroyed as this caused mass genocide over MULTIVERSES
High Commission are actually good characters, you could have Rombulous switch to a Villain possibly but at least have development
I'd rather have Rombulous being lied to or manipulated since his goals are good but he is not the smartest cookie.
This show had such potential, yet so many things were left untouched and unfinished. So many plot threads left and just, god I hated it.