Which is better: Games Workshop or One Page Rules? Part 4
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video we'll look at the models that are produced and used by One Page Rules and Games Workshop.
If you haven't already, check out the first three videos in the series looked at the cost, worldbuilding, and community associated with each game system.
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Added to the minis agnostic side - OPR allows other companies to create not only miniatures for use in their games, they allow them to create army rules for those minis.
And OPR even puts those armies in their online ArmyForge, so people can easily find and use them.
Could be a whole discussion just on their army builder app compared to GW's, but I'm not guessing he will go there.
This the main one I know of is the Dragon Trappers Lodge. Those evil monkeys they made are amazing
Just remember it's against the terms of service to trade, barter, sell, or even lend OPR models. Single seat licences are single seat.
If you want to legally play with a friend, you need to buy the STL files individually.
@@jtjames79 we are talking about how people make thier own factions, with thier own sculpts and OPR integrates said factions into thier games.
@@jtjames79 Which has nothing at all to do with what I wrote about.
Nothing.
Look at the Armyforge - go to the Community list. You will see a number of companies listed, as well as generic lists for things people wanted to build.
THESE AREN"T OPR MODELS THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! -_- I AM TALKING ABOUT COMMINITY WRITTEN LISTS.
Enjoying your content. OPR is so good, I just wish more people in my area would give it a try.
I have the same issue
I'm currently building up a Human Defence Force for Grimdark Future, avoiding GW as much as possible (not even the bases 😅).
This has become a fun challenge born not from a dislike for GW's stuff but as a creative process and some good old fashioned searching for the right models.
So far I have the Raumjäger infantry from Wargames Atlantic, a Psyker kitbashed from a female Frostgrave mage and some sci-fi bits, and OGRE unit consisting of Ghar Battlesuits from Warlord Games (they're droids in my army) and a Light Walker from Archon Studio.
As soon as my order for more Raumjäger infantry comes in I'll be kitbashing and converting a set of snipers and I have my eye on a few tanks also from Archon Studios whereas the Dropships will probably come from Mantic Games' GCPS range.
All of it will be painted in a suitable WWII Germany-vibe.
So far it's one of the armies I had the most joy with in building, painting, thinking and searching!!!
Not only do you not need to worry about models, you can play with paper minis if you want. Draw yourself some blessed sisters, or robot legion units, stick em on litko paper mini bases and have a good time. The barrier for entry is sooo much lower, and why I think OPR has massive potential to take a large share in the wargaming market.
The peasant bowmen will be packaged as 32 bowmen including command and stakes. At even $4.50 apiece, which is about as low as GW goes these days, we're looking at a $150 a box.
Current rumors are that the starter set will contain Bretonnia vs Tomb Kings at £185, a price point that translates to the price for the Necromunda Ash Wastes box most of us skipped in order to buy groceries.
Interestingly enough, the AnyCubic Mono 2 will be on sale this Christmas for $159. With a $99 wash/cure station and several bottles of sale price abs-like resin, we're at the same price as the starter set.
A $10/month patreon to OnePage and $12.50 to Highland Miniatures gets you the new monthly releases, empire/space dwarf and Tomb kings respectively for October, plus ample welcome packs from each company. Both also offer 50% off stls in their myminifactory store.
There's also an excellent and very free High Elf army to be found if folks happen to check out Warhammer Armies Project and Ninth Age.
The different kinds of resin is a good topic. Even before 3D printers, the term 'resin mini' could mean vastly different things depending on the company making them.
Very nice breakdown, thank you for posting it.
The thing that annoys me the most about GW not allowing proxies is that they have model options and no official models for them, or discontinued models, i play Druhkari ( i know they aren't the only army with this problem) the court of the archon, grotesque, beast masters (and beasts) Urien Rakarth, and mandrakes all don't have official playable models, that's 1/5th of the data sheets available to the army ....... and with no immediate plans from GW to actually give plastic versions of those models they basically don't exist, yes kit-bashing is possible but it isn't a budget friendly option. So i very much love that OPR is model agnostic
Yep. All kinds of models that have been discontinued, or weapon options that are on the model but not the datasheet.
Hopefully they are working on replacing every armies missing models and not space marine lieutenant #45. I mean those models look great but how many do players really need? And i can only imagine it has to be tiring for Space Marine players to constantly have to buy new stuff more and more to complete an army@@Good.Nuff.Gaming
If you want to play MESBG, better cross your fingers because there's a 50-50 shot that most of your army isn't in stock and may not be in stock for a long time
OPR will give GW a problem in the next few years I believe. OPR is working on the lore and once it takes off I think GW will not last.
Based on the trajectory of other small up and coming rules designers/game manufacturers I'm predicting OPR will get a bit greedy after the next big influx of players - and a few fundamental changes they will make in order to capitalise on this will see players turn on them. They'll hang around competing for the same niche as companies like Privateer Press and Mantic.
I don't think it's the lore. I bet 99% of OPR players still just use Warhammer lore.
The main thing that will make opr grow will be if 3d printing keeps growing
I’m in love with OPR Saurians
I loved all of the analysis here.
I have a different attitude to proxies - beanie-b lord kroak sounds cool, leeman russ - replace it with a box or say ok, that is your token for the unit but you have to treat it as if it were leeman russ size and benefit of the doubt goes to me on lnee of sight etc
I LOVE building, but I also kitbash the heck outta my models. Also, the pop up terrain from kickstarter is very high quality, great stuff
While I am a fan of OPR, I am not 100% sold on the argument that being model agnostic means they have better models. I feel that using whatever you want in the table falls under rules comparisons. Based on quality and materials GW probably has the advantage until you get to the price. OPR are resin and lesser quality (but still good quality) but far more affordable (barring the start up cost of the printer).
I would at this time call it a draw on "the models" alone (limiting the comparison to just what OPR produces, if you expand it to all STLs on the Internet then the comparison is GW vs the world).
Yep, that's what I was going for generally speaking. GW is trying take on everyone else, while OPR says "bring whatever." GW can't win that way.
There are 3D printing services that will print models you submit to them if you want to avoid the messiness of 3D printing yourself. Also useful if you're not sure if you want to invest in your own 3D printer yet.
Need to add
I'm new to resin printing
The S4U took 5 minutes to setup
5 minutes to learn the software it is drop in and move on plate to fit and print
Resin printing is literally user friendly now nearly anyone can do it.
700 start up
36 for best 2000ml resin
But I've printed out 3 full armies plus dozens of other fun minis for my son and friends who fund me with the purchase of more resin for their minis because they rather pay me 20 bucks for 15 minis instead of GW 38 bucks for 1 mini
I would have allowed the beanie baby.
The Hive has excellent robots versions of Tau, Just about anything proxywars.
One of the things that really blew my mind getting into the 3d printing side of things is.. how customizable the STLs are. Need a biker base? Just grab your fav base size and boolean a stem on it. Have a gun from one set of STLs you like and you want it to fit another? Just print the gun and glue it. Siraya Tech Navy Grey + Tenacious = stronk. Though ive been hearing everyone singing sun-lu abs like praises lately.
That's the true amazing part about 3d printing - when you start doing digital kitbashing and customizing
The problem with GW models is that the detail on them now is too much. I don't enjoy painting them as much as I used to. Simple is better IMO. As for the GW terrain, it suffers the same problem but cranked up too 11. Now, I go for MDF terrain all the way.
It's clear that they design them as art displays first and foremost, not game pieces
@@jeremoople pretty much. I agree.
As much as I think GW models are really nice. The lower barrier cost of 3d printed minis has allowed me to make skirmish forces of several armies in OPR for variety of play and variety of painting. More stuff to paint is more stuff to paint ( fun ! ) and a variety of minis and armies means I can play skirmish games or small point army games with different people and get more "fun" out of the wargaming side of things. In the last 4 months i've gone from just having 1000pt of Tyranids from 4th and 5th edition to having a full "Alien Hives" army and two 1000 pt forces of other factions for OPR. All for about $50 in resin and some 3d print time burrowed from people at the game store I go to. 3d printing has incentivized me to actually be part of the gaming community at my local store because I don't have a 3d printer, but it makes so much sense. The guys with the 3d printer have paid for it many times over by literally charging other people for prints and everyone wins. I pay 3x the cost of resin to one guy to print and its literally still less than 50 cents a mini, a couple bucks for a vehicle or monster sized figure.
11:57 On the topic of Para Bellum, they fixed that in later sprues
Warhammer armies project.
Another thought! You can play OPR games at different scales without ‘doing it wrong’. Use 15mm and change measurements to centimeters instead of inches. Or, Play Grimdark Future Firefight using 54mm figures and double the measurements. Whatever your local group is comfortable with and has figures/terrain for.
I've seen that @warbossfitz. He's done some batreps with smaller scale minis using OPR rules.
Age of fantasy regiments actually works perfect for larger scale battles using 6-10mm models. You don't even have to mess with base size or ranges, just stick a bunch of 6mm guys on a 25mm square base or whatever
Great video with a lot to consider. I am actually painting up some original HeroQuest miniatures because I wanted something easy to paint. I have been resin printing for a few years so get the ideas about resin. I sometimes add flexible resin to my high quality stuff to make things bounce a bit better, but that is another story. I literally have just had my third game of One Page Rules last Thursday. You have been the companion to me building Tyrannids that I was given. I wouldn't have bought them.i did however just purchase the OPR Dwarf Guilds when they had 50% off flash sale. I might be getting back into Sci Fi Gaming. I am more of a fantasy player and Highland Miniatures is my go to Provider of STL's
Nice! I'm printing up a dwarf army for Fantasy and Regiments.
gw's fantasy terrain was godtier back in the days of whfb. but then they stopped selling it
The fact that the TERRAIN (not the models) are over details is actually a good thing. you can get away with a simpler paintjob with more details
Also the creative freedom OPR is unbeatable
For start up cost, I have so far printed 3 armies on my current machine for opr, 1 for my homie 2 for me. If I go by gw prices I have more than made my money back
Quick "in defense of" Para Bellum... you should 100% check out any of their newer kits... Archon Studios in Poland has taken over their production of their plastics and REALLY improved upon the gates and sprue lay out... sadly all the first generation stuff (basic Dweghom, lots of 100 Kingdoms, Nord Raiders, Stalkers, Huscarls, Ugr, and lots of the early Spire stuff) is still the old design... but they have come a LONG WAY really quickly since basically 2018... so worth another look IMHO.. although their scale is larger than GW, Warlord, Mantic... so might not work depending on what you are trying to do. But could also be awesome for some brutes and even conversion to sci-fi alien races if you can find oversized weapons or bitz.
I meant to put in it the video, but I bought a kit that actually had both their old and new plastic, and the new stuff is the same as GW, so if they go that route from now on I'm all in.
God I don't even build Warhammer, I just build Gundam models, but the talk of glue hassles was still relatable lol. Like the gunpla are all push fit, but I still use tamiya cement for removing seamlines and reparing broken or loose parts. So I've still had that nonsense happen to me at some point or another.
Gotta say, haven't been to impressed with the series thus far. I know it's an opion series, but I was hoping for something a bit lore balanced. It really feels like this was the first time you gave OPR the W, and that was after singing GW's praises for fifteen min. To some of your points: TLDR; have some better examples and breakdowns to actually show the differences in cost and barrier to entry.
Cost to entry is usually far cheaper for the 3d print side than folk think, especially when you look at being a patreon supporter of OPR and the discount it gives to the STLs on MyMini. Especially when you consider that OPR's points are higher. So you need far fewer minis to make that force. That litre of resin could probably do two full armies depending on what you are printing.
Case in point, recently did a 2k point game of OPR, my list was twenty stormtroopers, two commanders, two transports and a tank (turox and leman russ), that was 2k.
In 40k that would be maybe 750. That's not even including the rules tax that GW impose on their players. Multiple 60+ dollar books.
As to the sculpts, GW aren't bad, but as of late they have gotten pretty damned lazy. If I see another tactical rock I'm going to throw a real one. Worse, by pushing their prices as high as they have, they put themselves in another bracket for comparison, to some of the great skirmish games out there that have incredible sculpts. Creature caster for example blow anything GW makes out kf the water (my opinion) and they are comparable in price while being truly unique. Hell, these days I think they are cheaper than GW.
My only complaint with OPR models is the vehicles are often lacking. Some are on theme (love the Vinchi) but others like their Sisters have tanks that just feel wrong.
Let's also not ignore that GW desperately needs to refresh a LOT of their line, and they just aren't. The new Bretonions recently shown have I think two new sculpts, the rest is the stuff from almost thirty years ago, and it really shows.
Thanks for the feedback. I tend to talk more about 40k just because I'm more familiar with that world/company and am still exploring everything OPR has to offer.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming That's totally fair, and I'll admit I can come off as overly harsh in comments like that. Just know to many GW fans (Really worshipers at this point, it's creepy...) so I tend to come in to hard, sorry.
I'll always love the warhammer settings, and most of the models are great (Though they are getting really lazy these days...bloody tactical rocks) it's just the company and how they handle their customers and the rules that get to me.
Oh, and doing some pretty cool story beats, then doing nothing actually cool with them lol. Fall of Cadia should have lead to a massive shakeup. But beyond the Primaris, nothing changed. Hell, Cadians are still the only Guard you can really buy, it's frustrating.
While OPR certainly doesn't have a lot of lore yet, they are still young, and the minis agnostic side of things will kinda force them to keeping things more generic overall. But I wouldn't be surprised to see some proper campaigns or at least a more fleshed out setting as an option one day.
I totally understand that. With how much time and money people put into this hobby, comments can come off stronger than intended - it's the biggest downside of non-person-to-person communication.
Lol, tactical rocks, yeah, that's becoming a bit cliche. And I agree they should make plastic kits in at least 2-3 of the other guard armies.@@Tillman581
While OPR minis are plentiful in their units I don't desire them or their look
Several people make amazing models that outshine GW
Besterium minis
Infinite Heroes
I use them for my OPR armies
Nice thing with OPR is you can use any of those.
I’ve heard the foldout terrain is pretty good for what it is and cheaper than resin or plastic, but it’s hard to conceal the fact that it’s basically cardboard
First i like this series, point are fair but can be debate :)
For the starting cost i would like to add that the price you put in the printer and all you need is equal to a 2k point army in 40k. So not really a big différence at this point for me. IF you go for the army at once !
For the resin you drop, it break, maybe, depend of the resin, abs-like tend to be largely ok i drop some of my little mini the are completely ok (paint job scratch doesnt count cause i dont varnish like the barbarian i am XD) bigger model are the one who break easily but big plastic kit too (cause there is alway a f***** little piece).
And even if you break it, just print a new one it's still cheap and you still have the slicer file (if you don't delete it) so most of the time take an hour to replace the mini, and superglue the mini to the point you can still play wih it while you wait is possible. Even with a plastic model you still have part that will not reglue correctly but you will hjave to spend on a full box and go to a store or wait days (depend of the delivery service) to replace it if you can't repair it (i hate spear and bits like that always a pain to reglue).
I'm working on a video right now that does a direct cost comparison for GW v. printing v. buying prints and that's what I'm finding, the more you print the cheaper it gets.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming yep entry is as costly as a 40k 2k point army but after it is clearly cheaper (expect if you buy ultra hight detail spacebug model XD)
It’s a false argument from the get go. Unless you’re playing at events in actual Games Workshop stores or events, you can use any models you want. I have never in like 30 years of playing tabletop, run into an independent store that forced anyone to use GW minis. Or any minis for that matter. We used to play Fantasy with cardboard rectangles representing units. Even in competition, most people don’t care about your models, as long as they reasonably represent the units. You can play OPR with GW minis, you can play 40k with LEGOs, it’s only a factor in GW supported competitive situations.
True, but I seldom see anyone using anything but 40k models in FLGS. It's the sheer momentum of the company.
Thinking about it... I try only to buy from the store where I play. Minis, paint, etc. I almost never buy direct from GW. So the main reason I use GW models is because that’s what’s in the store. And they’re pretty decent minis, of course. But if I could buy other brands I would consider it. Like you say, it’s almost a self fulfilling prophecy. The store carries GW products because that’s what sells and GW products sell because that’s all the store stocks.
splitting up the new models into assemblies has nothing to do with recasters. in fact, it probably makes recasting easier.
the smaller assemblies has to do with the limitations of injection moulding plastic parts and tge complexity of the finished models.
Interesting. Anytime I've bought recasts the smaller the pieces the more likely they were warped, miscast, etc. The big pieces always seemed to do better.
why you use glue to connect Resinparts instead of resin and a small UV-Lamp size of a flashlight?
Interesting...
That can't be too much messier than glue, though I'd have to find a smaller bottle because right now I only have the massive ones the resin comes in. Do you put it in a smaller dropper bottle, or just dip a toothpick in or something?
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming toothpic or old brush. i use water washable resin, so its easy to clean afterwards. no big amount is needed to put all together. fast, clean, you even can close the gaps for a smooth finish. do the same the priner does. add a new layer of resin and cure it :-)
I also think the Cyberpunk stuff is Siocast? no?
Possibly. I don't know for sure. I just know it was trickier to work with because it was so soft.
Let’s goooo!!!
i hate detail creep. sometimes less is more. I prefer 6th edition bretonnian Knights over the new foot knights any day.
Until the set up a mathematical system for stats, the creep will never stop.
Just wanted to share my discovery of sunlu resin. Its way less brittle than the resin I'm used to and only 20 euros per litre. Ive never used the ABS resins but for being 4 times as expensive. I really doubt theyre 4 times as good
I get my resin from Amazon and 2k of abs like resin is around $40 depending on the color you get and what's on sale that week.
I'm still looking for the resin I like. I was using water washable (but still washing with alcohol) because it's very flexible, easy to get off the build plate, and low odor, but I'm finding it fails more because the supports aren't strong enough and 10-15% of the build plate fails every time.
GW is going to get a very rude awakining when tgey start loosing market share to 3d prints.
The new GW kits are time consuming crap. I dont have time to put together a 23 piece dwarf.
GW manages to make the wrong decision fir their players Every. Single. Time.