Same shit here. Always overwhelmed... no chance to deney zerg from scouting and keeping map control ... so they can easy decide to drone up and when smtg is moving out from me... just easily to addept to my push and mass roach or something
@@ottojagenstedt9740 dann schau dir an wie seit jahren die großen turniere laufen oder wie seit jahren die top 10 oder 20 bei aligulac ausschauen. Bevor also mit deinem klugscheiß ankommst. Geschweige genug pro Spieler selbst aus zerg reihen dies sagen, dass es einfach für sie ist. Also spar dir deine spastischen Äußerungen. Was du wohl main spielst... muss ich garnicht erst raten
Excited to see void ray play I hope they continue to get buffed I'd love to see a void ray Oracle Phoenix valid army comp mass air protoss with a flood of ground troops being warped in excited for StarCraft future
@@James-uk4xi yeah if you see the community is screaming to stop nerfing zerg because 3-4 pros are playing really well. Its not the case for the rest of the league.
@@RapidReveal541 That's the thing that makes balancing this game so difficult. It's basically impossible to balance the game for pro's and joe's at the same time. Certain game mechanics can be made op by the very best players while lesser players don't benefit from it.
@ERA CASTE stats and rogue will have the leave soon.... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
It was anti climactic that's for sure, but I don't think ty or anyone would have done much better, rogue is on a streak atm in all match ups (zvz included balance whiners)
Seeing how the first game starts at one hour in the video and the video is only 2h20mins long kinda ruined it for me, especially seeing the first game.
@@Spreadlove5683 Was just thinking the same thing - when I saw how long into the video the games started it was obviously going to be a 1 sided series, and it was pretty obvious which side that'd be. Just slapping on 2h of black screen at the end would at least stop the video length spoiling things.
@@taragnor zerg isn't OP or every pro player would play zerg to win money and fame. Rouge is just an "OP" player who happened to play Zerg. Stats obviously got into his own head and used subpar strategies to play modern zerg (pure Phoenix?) and lost.
@@RadioStaring : Riiight. And it just so happens that the vast majority of major tournament winners have been zerg players, and protoss hasn't hardly won anything major. Surely that has nothing to do with the race. And everything to do with how skilled those zergs are and how horribly unskilled all protoss players must be. Rogue, Serral, Reynor and Dark are all just the perfectest most awesome players evar and every protoss player is just a bumbling incompetent idiot that can barely locate the A key on their keyboard. Balance couldn't possibly be a factor...
Obviously it's subjective, but I thought the games were pretty one-sided. Stats rarely looked likely to win any of the maps he lost, and Rogue tended to win with his first major attack. Neither player brought out incredible plays, because Stats made sufficient errors that Rogue didn't have to.
I think Protoss needs some redesigning. It feels too binary sometimes; either you have the right type and number of units or you don't. Other races feel like they have so much more wiggle room and creativity involved.
But another way to say that is that protoss has usually worse scouting information; If you see your oponents tech and units it is possible to prepare. Stats opend mostly with stargate, wich gives him good info. So I don't think that's the issue here. From the professional games I have seen it seems very difficult for protoss to deny the zergs powerful makro in general. The adept builds seemed to be quite a gamble.
Yeah, protoss just has way too many gimmick units and not enough actual fighting units, so it leads all protoss armies to essentially look similar, because late game it all comes down to essentially, HT/ disruptor/ colossus with a zealot/stalker mix. Skytoss just isn't good period, with the only decent air units being pure harassment types like the oracle. Main problem is that they're afraid to unbalance PvT (which is pretty fair), but PvZ is just totally one-sided against toss.
@@taragnor No, archon/immortal was actually the standart style for a long time now, because these are the fighting units you ask for. Maybe some senturies and stalkers a support and later storm against the big unit counts. And the way to get to that army is to send the less needed minerals to the zerg in zelot-runbys. Collosus and disruptors are more common now, but only because they can be a better followup to the new adept all-ins. But storm is still the undisputed best area damge. Nobody uses disrutors in lategame against Zerg, they suck against everything apart from roach/ravager and those are never made in lategame. Zerg units are too fast and too malee oriented for disruptors.
The problem with protoss is the lack of scalable unit. tier 1/2 gate way units are weak as fuck and becomes even more useless as the game progress into mid or late game. unlike terran with scalable units that can be effective and microable at many stages in the game or zerg literally just need to build one building to instantly tech switch with stocked up larvae. Protoss had to pick or plan a build of choice and make do with it or die if it doesn't work. The mass phoenix play is a prime example, zerg despite losing so much workers can just tank the damage with faster drone production than lost and still manage to slowly tech and build up counter units. For protoss, after investing so much into phoenixes, cannot tech switch fast enough to deal with the counter. And yea, protoss units are binary that's true. They don't have good unit comp synergies and are easily hard countered. Protoss only chance is to do timing attacks, end the game before opponent can counter. 1:40:50 is the only time in the match Stats had a chance in a game, there is a small window of doing some damage before Rogue's vipers comes out. He should have traded as much and as efficiently as he can but did not and backed away. Once the vipers and lurkers are out, Stats loses the whole army for free basically.
@@ich439 : I'm talking about cheap baseline combat units you can mass produce, not expensive hard to replace tech units. That's the entire problem with toss, all their big units are high tech. They don't have a workhorse like the roach. The zealot is the closest thing they've got and banes hard counter them into oblivion, and to make matters worse, zeals really aren't good at all without charge. Most of the other units are hit and run: blink stalkers, oracles, adepts, phoenix. Sure immortals are great, if you can make enough, but producing them requires an expensive robo bay and they build very slowly and move slowly. Protoss players have been asking for the dragoon back for a while to get a gateway unit that can actually go toe-to-toe. Something that isn't designed to annoy, but to actually kill. Instead LotV gave them the adept, another unit designed for hit and run harass. The other unit was the disruptor which was another high tech, slow-building power that requires a meatwall in front of it. On the zerg side, Zerg gets the ravager and lurker which are both effective on the battlefield and can be brought in significant numbers.
@@yuuki3 This comment is implying that this match wasn't even. I knew that rogue led 2-0 so now I know stats lost. I would have gone to end of the video to check it anyway, and other comments are spoiling even more, so it's not a big deal :D
It does seem that way, doesn't it? Classic is gone. Zest is adeptfest. Stats and Trap can't stand up to Rogue or Dark. sOs is washed up. Parting is really the only hope at this point. Seems like P need a bit of a buff but I'm not sure how to do it because all 4 of Stats's losses here were different.
Leish Tek - My opinion : at the start Stats said that he has a new strategy, I did not like the sound of that, it's not that he lost that disappointed me, is how he lost, the first game he just used most of his economy to harass drones with oracles and when that didn't worked the next game he tried it again with Phoenixs, he was always behind with the mining resources, when Rogue had 2 bases Stats had 1 when Rogue had 3 bases Stats was barely starting his second, how can you win if you are behind economically and trying to harass 2 or 3 drones.
TY had absolutely no chance against Rogue, Stats was clearly way better than TY (TY only won with all ins/weird games and got outplayed in all macro games) and he still go destroyed by Rogue
@@Sol-gz4pp Crazy to think that you're actually stupid enough to think that players' day-to-day performance cannot vary enormously. Your existence makes a good case for chemical-asctration (you can rearrange that for me, oh wait you're too dumb) of people with double-digit IQ.
Uh so how the void rays buff will help protoss in this match up Blizzard? lol You can see who'd win in a defensive protoss vs zerg from miles away. Rogue doesn't even need nydus SH to slap down Stats.
Called it. I just knew that there was no way that Stats could beat Rogue. It was always going to be a 4-1 or 4-2 at worst for Rogue. If only it was PartinG instead of Stats... Would've been a better finals
at the end of stats vs ty 1st semi game I said in chat if stats wins rogue would ez win short games, if TY had won i think we would have had a rogue win 4-2 with a decent number of late game matches.
I hope Tasteless and Artosis don't get paid by the hour or they will come up short with this paycheck. What a lackluster ending to an otherwise fantastic season of GSL.
Watching this was like watching a fly get caught in a spider's web; then desperately struggle to get free as the spider approaches, bites down on its abdomen, and drains its blood to the brink of death; then breaks its wings and cuts it from the web after which it crashes into the ground and crawls with its very last strength and unbroken legs to the nearest dark hole to die in. The silver lining is the fly got $12,000 and a bouquet of flowers.
I play since the begginings of sc1. I firmly believe blizzard efforts to hardcounter zerg vs terran and protoss has become into this. Predictable and boring builds for protoss that work mostly in all-ins. Where protoss had sentrys, zerg have ravagers, spell casters comparison is ridiculous and even the golden armada looks so feble agaisnt corruptors, hydras, ravagers, fungals, neurals, abductions, parasitic bombs. Not even mentioning the nydus joke and the swarm host. In physics a 3 dimensional problem is a really hard to solve, and i think blizzard understimated the complexity of the solution. Now they have 2 well balanced match ups and a third completely broken. Hope they can work and fix this beautiful game that has become an important part of my lifetime.
Yeah, the thing is that the zerg production model just doesn't work if Zerg has too many options. It worked in brood war because Zerg was a lot more limited in what they could do. Thing is that every unit they've added for zerg in each expansion is a viable late game unit, while protoss has mostly gimmick units that don't scale well (adepts, oracles, phoenix, sentry, etc).
@@taragnor Agreed. I've always thought about Blizz adding in a tech tree for adepts and all the other useless mid/late game for Protoss. Similar to how Archons are made, maybe if Adepts and the earlier units had a way to transform into units that can actually be useful mid/late game, the dynamic of ZvP would be better.
@@SandraWantsCoke I would prefer a merge for increased attacks speed and health for adept. Makes keeping them alive meaningful and actually allows a successful Protoss adept attack to follow up with something. A chain shield ability for oracles where multiple oracles can spend energy to charge each other's shield. Would give them something else to do late game and make them scarier in a rush. Disrupters being able to go invisible if stationary but if they attack become visible. The amount of invisible Zerg units that are useful vs other races is ridiculous. Terran has ghosts, banshees, (and used to have mines) Protoss had DTs and it's detection unit, Zerg has infestors, lurkers, banelings, roaches. If toss or Terran don't do a gimmicky early game build then Zerg doesn't need detection until very late game whereas all the other races need it basically right after the first timing occurs for the rest of the game.
Everyone whining about balance...Rogue dropped only one map in knockout phase, and Stats played so bad (he bear Rogue 2-1 in grp stage iirc). Now he let slow lings kill him in the end. Didnt stop phoenix production in game two, didnt scout muta switch in game one... I mean, round of 8 had balanced distribution, so lets not fiddle with balance so easily.
@@Biskawow Go practice more Zerg dude. What you said is true for the 8+, but Zerg's potential > any other race. All you have to do is reach that potential.
IMO Protoss player need more practice. They lack of creativity and precision. Creative player like parting, and defensive macro player like stats, they need to improve other areas. In the other side, there are 3-4 zerg player which capable to play creative or just straight up macro. Terran has 1-2 player. I see none of the protoss have that high standard. Thats not about which race you choose to play.
THANK YOU E-SPORTS! What a season! Excited for the void ray change and the benefits in timings and strategic play! Next season should be THEE MOST INSANE AND CLOSE SEASON TO BE SEEN!!!!!!!!!!
Man, it's frustrating to watch stats play sometimes. I feel like he had game 3 won if he would have kept pushing with his army when Rogue had no answer to the Colossi. But instead he just kept prodding and then retreating until Rogue had everything he needed to counter the colossi.
yeah, he needed to kill at least one of the hatches in game 3 and had an army that had a window to do it, but then he retreated too early and didn't push back, giving the win to zerg.
@@justyndelbridge7467 True, but that's what distance extremely good players like Stats from the absolute best. The most dominant players all have/had that killer instinct, SlayerS_`BoxeR` Jaedong, Flash, MC, MVP, INnoVation and many more. And this is GSL finals, if you are there, you are a monster as well :D
Part of being really good at something, is being able to read skill levels and form curves. Stats probably understood that his own form wasn't good, and at the same time Rogue was peaking. It's possible that he felt that he'd never be able to stage an actual comeback.
@@alvalankerofficial nah. Stats best matchup is against zerg. Just admit it, zerg player do better these years. You couldnt blame tiki taka op just because barcelona (was) played very well.
@@hmosh Yes, thank you, that's very helpful. Of course Protoss doesn't literally lose every series. I was just pointing out that it seems like nearly every series I watch is lost by Protoss, seeming to indicate an imbalance, at least at the very highest levels. But I figured I wouldn't have to spell that out.
I'd like to blame this in racial imbalance, but Rogue was simply just better and Stats was playing worse than he usually does. Last season's TvT finals was sooooooo much better than this finals, and that was a 4-0.
I agree, if stats was going to win this series he had to win game 3. In that game they were at least on equal footing but since he could not win the more equal games of the series Stats would never be able beat Rogue in a bo7.
@@williameriksson8649 Doesn't seem like he could beat Rogue even if he was in good shape tbh. Funnily enough Stats and Rogue faced off in Group D at this season's Ro16 and he beat him 2-1, but it's a Bo3 compared to a Bo7 of the grand finals.
Well GSL finals often end up being like this. The last time we had a solid GSL final it was Maru vs TY. And that was already 2 years ago! Ever since then, even if people try to predict it to be more close and even if the score ends up being 4-2, when you look at those games it's always one player dominating the other.
Tasteless commentary has improved ALOT since the beginning of the Sc2 era. He is very good nowadays. I used to watch the first 3-4 years of Sc2 GSL basically and back then Tasteless was kinda "lost" and just talked out of his ass most of the time but still was entertaining. Nowadays it seems he got alot of knowledge, which is a huge plus. :)
At the skill of professionals, when people play full time for living, Protoss is impossible to beat Zerg in long run. Every final of PvZ, when people have time to prepare for BO7, zergs OWN protosses. Trap vs Dark, Stats vs Rough, etc. all of those protoss players are great, but the match up is broken. Sad fact.
It's almost like Protoss player have to do intricate changing hidden strategies and Zerg just need to pick the correct one of their 3 macro builds to beat it.
We could also easily say that Dark is way better than Trap and Rogue was way better than Stats today. Stats is a really great player. But today was clearly not his day. And i don't know why he kept being agressive when it's clearly not its strenght. Tell me he wasn't confident enought when going into this final, for the worst.
I don’t understand why anyone plays Protoss at this point. They can only win with crazy shenanigans which is why they get so much hate despite never really winning anything. There will never be a Protoss equivalent to Serral, Rogue, Maru or Inno. Protoss players simultaneously don’t win shit and get shitted on by the community. Poor bastards lol.
@@dgam4211 lol no it's not. I can't remember when I last saw a protoss win a late game PvZ. If it goes into lategame Protoss loses. It's pretty much why protoss just does glaive builds and timing all-ins.
@@taragnor dont know about that, i think when protoss gets a foothold the game gets at least even, mech sucks and most of the zerg late game bullshit has been nerfed even tho im still waiting for a viper nerf
IEM Katowice + gsl championship , Rogue truly is the best player in the world this year. I think he has the most earnings among the sc2 players right now, rogue is the best zerg player of all times.
Even so people will still be sleeping on Rogue. Sure he often slacks of and drops off early but when he enters the tournament with motivation to win, he wins. Simple as that. The fan prediction here was 30 something rogue wins... Like WTF?? It was rather clear that Rogue was a favourite and while stats is the best protoss he just started coming out from long term slump. People can hope for Stats to win but when making prediction be more reasonable. I expected 4:2 at best.
@Dmon Blu either you never ever touch GM, or you aren't a sc2 player. Say whatever you want. Just because serral, dark, and rogue are playing super well, that doesnt mean zerg op. You dont know what they going thru and you simply said zerg op. Jenius!!
zerg is the like hardest & complicated car to control on the race track, but once you master it, the complication rewards you the best detail controls on every corners. With 10 years of plays, the penalty on precise skills now become of an advantage by a very few.
@@MyNameIsXYlp terran imo takes more skill and has a higher ceiling. The micro needed for terran is pretty insane. Massive difference between a good terran vs a bad one.
@@metascrub285 Yes, Engagements are pretty volatile for Terran That's where you can gain ground as a great Terran. The way on the race track sounds more like the build to me and while you obviously sometimes prioritize one thing over the other regarding mineral spending (e.g. cut workers for hellions with the Armoury) the path is much sturdier for non zerg, you're rarely going to see something else than a third or 2 more racks with the next 300-400 minerals after the 1-1-1 stands and constant worker production Zerg can do more fluid "turns on the racetrack"
Nah, Zerg doesnt' require precision. It's basically an APM sink that requires the most actions but they're just actions you repeat over and over again. inject, spread tumors, position overlords, etc. Microwise they're easy compared to protoss and terran. Watch the previous game of Stats vs TY and you see way more impressive unit control on both sides.
He was also called SexyBoi and the pro who had Balls of Steel back in his ProLeague days. The most exciting player to watch that is not s0s. Also was in the league of players having straight all-kills record.
While stats did play poorly, I think that it’s also true that Protoss needs more units that heavily reward micro and positioning, Zerg and Teran are flexible and have units that reward creative play, Protoss just builds toward one or two late game compositions, they need to slightly nerf a lot of their units and then give them intricate special abilities to make it fair.
Thank you AfreecaTV for uploading awesome starcraft videos.Thank you Tastosis for making games fun to watch. Rouge is a seriously crazy zerg able to play whatever the style he wants.
I think that a game would be fair if both races could get to the mid game in even fashion . If you leave a Zerg untouched you can’t do anything cause the counters that Zerg can do are way to hard . Look at the colossus game . 3 vipers and its game over .... with what expense? A hive and a lurker den. To easy . Toss needs robo , robo bay , 200 200 upgrade for colossus and 300 200 per colossus . It’s to much . Something needs to change
I think it's the way zerg makes units. The fact they can get a building and jump on the muter key like in game one. Makes them able to tech switch and hard counter like in game one 2 quicky. Creep giving vision as well as overlords compounds the problem. Giving heads up to tech switch usually having enough to hold on.
Zerg has all the advantages. Zerg is far more forgiving. Hell Toss can lose just by letting a handful of zerglings past the wall, while Zerg can sustain losses of a ton of drones and be fine. Zerg just has a flat out better late game so protoss is forced to attack. Really so long as zerg is good at defending against the protoss harassment, it's an easy win for zerg. And to make it even worse, Zerg also has the best map vision and faster units on creep, making defense very easy for them compared to other races. The deck is totally stacked against toss.
I mean, idk how they balanced it in brood war, but the fact that zerg is always a base ahead, means that your economy is always ahead. Especially against protoss because they don't have mules.
Not gonna lie, that last game felt disappointing. I wonder if, in PvZ like in TvP, the MU aren't a bit too balanced about one of the the players not making mistakes until midgame...
I mean to be far that was a bronze league mistake not even having the probe in position, it wasn't like it a was off by a pixel it was just straight up not positioned.
@@yeetbra9485 I won't deny Stats did significant mistakes in this series. But part of my point is he did so 'cause he felt like he was compelled to do damage, and so to take risks in order to do so.
@@ottootto8568 He got outplayed in terms of army movement so the lings got in, that should never happen and he also failed to block with his probe for no reason.
Maybe making you start with 12 workers and giving zerg access to a free 3rd base every game was a bad idea, when one of the bigger downsides to zerg used to be earlygame flimsyness.
You do realize that 12 worker start actually favours protoss and Terran against zerg right? If I have to explain the math behind it then There's no hope for you. But sure an argument can be made for the map design making a 3rd base easier to acquire for zerg is an issue.
@@yeetbra9485 Well the main argument about this is 12 workers shortening the early game and making it harder to inflict damage to zergs with a shorter period of time to do it. In Sc2 harrasing the zerg's economy early on has always been really important for terran and protoss to prevent it from getting out of control.
@@Sol-gz4pp cannon rushing, proxies, 2 rax etc are all still options. People are just annoyed because they can't cheese zerg consistently and expect to have it work as well as macro like back in wol. Cheesing is where it should be, something you can't expect to use every game, but something you can pull out in a best of series to throw your opponent off. The worker change makes cheese less viable, doesn't effect two base timings or uncommitted pressure. I'm not saying that there aren't some issues with pvz Dynamics right now, protoss is kind of pigeon holed into only a few optioms, if I was wrong the the next patch wouldn't be geared mostly towards giving protoss more mid game options, but giving the other player the option to cheese more effectively is not a solution. For any match-up. Edit: the worker change was necessary anyway as sc2 was losing players and viewers due to games being to slow paced, admittedly hots swarm hosts were the biggest reason for that, (idk who thought giving zerg a siege unit was a good idea) but either way they needed to speed the pace of the game up for the sake of it's survival.
@@yeetbra9485 "you can't expect to cheese every game" - did you even see how the macro games turned out for stats? If you don't cheese/timing attack you lose against a good Zerg player every single time
Yeet Bra No it doesn't, Zerg have to sacrifice workers when making buildings and overlords and naturally fall behind without queens, you instantly get a 2nd hatch nowadays without any risk whatsoever, 15 hatch used to be punishable and taking a third wasn't instantaneous, now the game basically begins at 3 bases which is really good for zerg. I play Zerg and compared to WoL you start accelerating way faster becouse you get out more hatches and more queens faster = faster growth and more creepspread. You weren't able to get 12 queens way back becouse they cost 150 minerals and you didn't instantly have 3 hatches, yes zergs value creepspread and their mechanics are better but giving zerg a fast 3rd every game is huge.
Last game definitely summed up the entire series. I was hyping up Stats and even said he would win even though I was pulling for rogue. Very disappointed in his play considering what he did to everyone to get to the finals
PvZ is so imba and has been since lotv. Zerg has so many free windows and we saw them all play out here, from early ling runby, muta switch, to vipers and lurkers destroying a late game army. Be that as it may, rouge did play better, it's just that he only played slightly better yet it was a total stomp, if it was the other way around it would be a very close game.
Dmon Blu No, the reason that happened is becouse EU has always had better Zergs and the KR scene has been losing ground to the EU scene = Bigger percentage of the best players will be Zergs. There's been a few dominant zergs, so what. Look at broodwar, flash was super dominant for a very long time, is terran broken? No. And the results of proplay are completely irrelevant to normal peoples ladder experience, don't delude yourself, even if Zerg was op at the highest level doesn't mean that it'll be op at lower levels or vice versa.
@@TheHahanicevideo : Only Zerg is OP at lower levels too. Zerg has the fewest percentage of bronze, silver and gold. It's currently easier to get to higher leagues as Zerg than any other race.
Is it just me, or was the production of this finals really sub par? Some twenty minutes of replays to start things of, then endless interviews. And then some more replays. What about giving us what we come for, tastetosis and the occational game of StarCraft?
@@hmosh Perhaps i misspoke/miss-typed. The games felt one sided. the results looked ridiculously one sided. And i didn't know the results until i watched the games so i'm not sure what the second part of your reply means. Please elaborate.
The worst thing about a bad final is that nick and dan focus purely on the game. They don't make their silly jokes, don't tell their silly stories and they don't neg each other because it's obviously a serious situation. No fun, no laughter, no good games :-(
Honestly, I think they're a little fed up with how ZvP is right now. It's just so simple... Zerg barely needs to change anything, in fact they are often punished for changing things, meanwhile protoss HAS to do something. It's sadly broken, because the zerg skill curve ramps up much faster than P or T at the pro level. Honestly, without a patch, we're gonna see zergs dominate finals.
Two hours of blank video wouldn't help with disguising the victor. knowing 2 hours of black is at the end of the video- wouldn't that defeat the purpose? Example: I'm watching 2 hours left on a 3 hour video. it's 2 - 0 and you know you got 2 hours of blank left in the video...
map two on golden wall: you gotta sacrifice a couple phoenixes to hull damage and possibly death, if you miss the micro, to keep killing overlords grouped over spores, which is why corsairs were better xD brood war here, that way you supply block the zerg for longer and the hydra army cannot be amassed since drone production is now also halted, which then gives you time to build a unit or two from all the gateways that were finishing warping in, since phoenixes don't always tech well, its better to finish their value kamikaze style also this amended style then doesn't give the zerg time to make as many hatches and spread as much creep if you throw in one or two voidrays to use in conjunction with the oracle for revelation
We all saw this coming. The last year or two has just been straight zerg buffs and protoss nerfs. Yes, Rogue and Serral are great players, but if you can't seriously cripple the zerg's economy, then you lose. You have to do so much harassment or all in.
God stats is terrible. Sacrifices his first 2 adepts for almost nothing 4 games in a row letting Rogue do whatever he wants, then game 5 he keeps them alive and misses the runby somehow?
Stats does it pretty well actually. For it to be worth you have to kill 3 drones and have a minor drone pull according to Harstem, in the first game it was not that bad considering he got 2 drones and a big drone pull, in the third game it was worth too he got 3 drones and all the drones moved and in the forth game he got 5 drones which is really good, he never really failed with it. In the last game it's just that Rogue adjusted really well to this and sent 6 lings around the map because he knew stats would sent his 2 adepts accross the map.
@@Sol-gz4pp ye protoss isn't allowed to make any tiny sidestep or insta hard counter by zerg. And zerg always makes 3 hatcheries each game. So how can protoss adjuts to that? In no way. That's the state of the game
@@Sol-gz4pp He teleported on top of 6 lings in all 4 games. You can't lose your first 2 adepts like that because you lose all map control you can't scout you can't pressure you can't threaten his units to deny his scouting you let rogue do whatever he wants, in game 1 he got 2 drones game 2 3 drones the adepts never came close to paying for themselves. Absolutely abysmal play by Stats
Zerg has too many options and can switch so easily between tech. They have answers early and the strongest late game. Stats played better third game but lurker damage is insane and vipers make collosus useless. Lurkers really bother me as a Terran player it's really hard to accept Zerg has a unit better than siege tanks, they're invisible, they don't cause friendly damage, and their area of damage is huge.
@@Ole_Rasmussen check warcraft 3 tier 1 tournaments won by race. Orcs and Undeads are suffering since release of frozen throne, as soon as they are starting to win - nerfs incoming instantly, while human and ne are elite races. It has nothing to do with activision or being paid. Blizzard disbalance team are just retarded fuckers who are killing games, during these years a lot of orc and undead pro players just retired from the game.
This is the most broken i've ever seen a matchup. Blizzard seemingly fails to understand how to fix it given that they're buffing protoss late game units in a matchup where protoss mid game is incredibly weak and late game is practically non-existent. There might have been a single late game PvZ this entire GSL season.
The ONLy strategy that works against Zerg is to rush them early. If Zerg is not damaged the first 4 minutes, Zerg will most likely win. Because of that, there is no element of surprise, unless of course you are crappy at the game.
From Liquidpedia: Top SC2 earners in 2020 after this tournament: 1 Rogue $ 157,121 USD 2 Zest $ 83,799 USD 3 Serral $ 49,884 USD 4 Maru $ 49,354 USD 5 INnoVation $ 45,328 USD Rogue is killing it, the man know how to consistently win.
Stats was able to play better. He beat incredibly TY. With Rogue he didn’t show any power or aggressive or master any of the games he plays. The game with mass Phoenix is just a joke. Last game is nooby one !!!
game two: stats blew his micro. straight up doing upgrades and pocketing 500-1000 minerals and 500 gas while full vision of hydras on Rouge's side of the map.
I just don't see how a 50 cheaper voidray would change what I saw today? It's not worth it late game, mid game its much better to get a Phoenix /oracle for like 100 50 extra. At least you get to snipe few drones and still clear overlords. Whoever is doing these balance changes must have been hired by activision 🙃
I don't see any special build that stats prepared for this final. I remember when classic (another toss) won his gsl. Every game has different strategies. There's that cheese, macro micro you name it.
game 1: better land army, and also a shit ton of mutas for no reason. I doubt stats is bad at macro... game 5: misses a wall, insta gg. how is this shit balanced lol
He had the worst possible composition vs that land army and didn't scout the mutas. Sounds more like bad scouting than balance. And not walling properly at that level is jnsta gg, yes. That's not a balance issue. Not saying there aren't balance issues, but this series is a bad example. Stats played very poorly.
@@DesVenin : Let me fix that. Missing a unit in the wall is insta gg AGAINST ZERG. There's no equivalent for other races. two adepts in the enemy terran base isn't GG because the terran left a depot down.
taragnor Lol if his adepts are home at that point, the lings dont get anything done even if they get in, the probe didn't block, stats fucked up and got punished, if terran has no units in his base and 2 adepts get in, terran is fucked.
@@taragnor that's how the races work. If they were all the same the game would be boring af. If zerg doesn't have units in their base when a war prism comes, or detection for early dts, they die. If you need up, you get punished. It's not that hard. Again. I'm not saying there aren't balance issues with zerg. But choosing these games to complain about is stupid. Stats played poorly. If you want your arguments to actually work, talk about things that haven't been facts since WOL.
HES THE GOAT it is never close with him in the finals he KILLS everyone GOAT no one is close to him. Sad to know hes gone for two years but man oh man hes so damn good.
I can't help but feel like the volatility of PvP is to blame for Finals like this. Every GSL we see turtling Protoss do great in Group stage, because PvP proxies are OP and unpredictable. Then when we get to the longer series those same Protoss get clobbered because they're completely one-dimensional.
I think you're being unfair - Rogue destroyed Stats... but he destroyed everyone he has faced since the Ro8. If anything this tournament has been about who gets to not meet Rogue long enough to be in the finals. I mean that "one dimensional protoss" did take out last season's winner who himself got to this point...and qualified in a group over rogue after beating him 2-1. He had a good tournament, survived a pretty difficult group, took out some big names and overall deserved to be a finalist Rogue just 3-0'd dream and 4-0'd DRG. He literally played a bo5/7 against each race vs players who looked STRONG up till that point - DRG destroyed innovation in the previous ZvT they had and dream looked so scary this tournament that EU didn't want him in their group during Ro16. They still couldn't do shit vs Rogue. Don't blame PvP for this situation and don't blame Stats, Rogue crushed all 3 races equally. Just accept Rogue was a lot stronger than everyone during this tournament.
RodelIturalde There's just been a period of really strong zerg players, zerg responds to the opponent for the most part and protoss is usually about decieving/surprising your opponent and when protoss eventually runs out of tricks they lose to Zerg. It's a 10 year old game and protoss was way stronger back in the day but is weaker nowadays becouse of it. This coupled with removing most of the earlygame = Zerg gets advantaged. Also, Europeans have ALWAYS been better at zerg no matter the NA and KR meta and as a result, now when KR scene and NA scene isn't growing as fast as the EU scene = more strong Zergs. Why EU has strong zergs i can't say but it's always been like this.
He is not popular because he is a "boring" winner. Others enjoy being the best, while Rogue just likes to practice and is relieved that he can go home with the prize money
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They should really add like 1-2 hours of black screen at the end of the match. It's too easy to tell who wins just by knowing the time left.
thats so smart
I always think about the same!!. Make every video 4hs lenght with black screen with music. I would love that
I was going to say the same thing. Please add black screen to at least play off games.
I make sure I don’t look at the time, which is hard sitting through all those obnoxious commercials.
Agreed
map1 starts at 53:50
Grade A Legend.
thanks king
Much appreciated, buddy!
thanks
Thanks for this.
Final game looks like my ladder games in diamond
Same shit here. Always overwhelmed... no chance to deney zerg from scouting and keeping map control ... so they can easy decide to drone up and when smtg is moving out from me... just easily to addept to my push and mass roach or something
I usually wall off earlier with Adept + Battery just in case, filling the gap as soon as I get Cyber-Core. Still PvZ is hard for me.
@@ottootto8568 yeah zerg is op op op that's the only reason. Why don't you switch and start stomping GMs?
@@ottojagenstedt9740 dann schau dir an wie seit jahren die großen turniere laufen oder wie seit jahren die top 10 oder 20 bei aligulac ausschauen. Bevor also mit deinem klugscheiß ankommst. Geschweige genug pro Spieler selbst aus zerg reihen dies sagen, dass es einfach für sie ist. Also spar dir deine spastischen Äußerungen. Was du wohl main spielst... muss ich garnicht erst raten
@@ottootto8568 Stop crying that last game had nothing to do with balance, was just a major blunder on stats part...
Giving Stats game 4 was a gentleman's throw. This was an utter blowout
More like a "don't nerf zerg more" throw
Excited to see void ray play I hope they continue to get buffed I'd love to see a void ray Oracle Phoenix valid army comp mass air protoss with a flood of ground troops being warped in excited for StarCraft future
@@James-uk4xi yeah if you see the community is screaming to stop nerfing zerg because 3-4 pros are playing really well. Its not the case for the rest of the league.
@@RapidReveal541 That's the thing that makes balancing this game so difficult. It's basically impossible to balance the game for pro's and joe's at the same time. Certain game mechanics can be made op by the very best players while lesser players don't benefit from it.
As much as I hate this statement, I agree 100%.
I love how they make all the competitors into friends by having them connect and making it fun.
@ERA CASTE stats and rogue will have the leave soon.... noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Stats is already close friends with all the Jin Air players, he hangs out at their teamhouse all the time
Rogue’s military is far enough I think
One of the worst finals I've watched 😪
The result is a surprise to no-one of course.
And yet I got a real kick out of watching Stats get the treatment he dished out to TY.
Rogue is just too good :)
@@OvenBakedCookie the game is just fucked balanced
@@ottootto8568 crybaby mentality
It was anti climactic that's for sure, but I don't think ty or anyone would have done much better, rogue is on a streak atm in all match ups (zvz included balance whiners)
Seeing how the first game starts at one hour in the video and the video is only 2h20mins long kinda ruined it for me, especially seeing the first game.
Yup. The first game is slightly in question, but after rogue won it was painfully obvious what the outcome would be.
Yea exactly. I wish they would make their broadcasts longer to avoid spoilers. At least 3 or 4 hours always
@@Spreadlove5683 Was just thinking the same thing - when I saw how long into the video the games started it was obviously going to be a 1 sided series, and it was pretty obvious which side that'd be. Just slapping on 2h of black screen at the end would at least stop the video length spoiling things.
Yall should use the Hideo Video Duration addon for chrome and make a filter containing "GSL". And/or use SC2Links for spoiler free
@@internetperson2 well, I learned something new today. Thanks. But i usually have to watch it on my Roku or phone..
The previous match, TY vs Stats was more like final.
Yeah because PvT is a far more balanced matchup. That was an insane match between two incredible players. This was just a showcase of why Zerg is OP.
@@taragnor zerg isn't OP or every pro player would play zerg to win money and fame.
Rouge is just an "OP" player who happened to play Zerg.
Stats obviously got into his own head and used subpar strategies to play modern zerg (pure Phoenix?) and lost.
@@RadioStaring : Riiight. And it just so happens that the vast majority of major tournament winners have been zerg players, and protoss hasn't hardly won anything major. Surely that has nothing to do with the race. And everything to do with how skilled those zergs are and how horribly unskilled all protoss players must be. Rogue, Serral, Reynor and Dark are all just the perfectest most awesome players evar and every protoss player is just a bumbling incompetent idiot that can barely locate the A key on their keyboard. Balance couldn't possibly be a factor...
@@RadioStaring They are already doing it mate, however the other passionate players choose whatever they like and try to compete with the zerg.
@@RadioStaring you are just dumb as fuck man. ZvP is broken as protoss has no way to beat zerg. It's a fact
The best thing you can say about this series is that it is quick.
The next best thing is: Expected when it is not ZvZ
Why are you like this? These games were not one sided. A series doesn't have to be 4-3 for it to be close, exciting or good.
Obviously it's subjective, but I thought the games were pretty one-sided. Stats rarely looked likely to win any of the maps he lost, and Rogue tended to win with his first major attack. Neither player brought out incredible plays, because Stats made sufficient errors that Rogue didn't have to.
That last game was shorter than me peeing
Make sure you're staying hydrated and walling in vs mass lings!
KindOfMaroon this comment should have more likes.
Way to ruin it.
As short as my sexlife
Seriously speaking, you may need to have that prostate check man.
I think Protoss needs some redesigning. It feels too binary sometimes; either you have the right type and number of units or you don't. Other races feel like they have so much more wiggle room and creativity involved.
But another way to say that is that protoss has usually worse scouting information; If you see your oponents tech and units it is possible to prepare. Stats opend mostly with stargate, wich gives him good info. So I don't think that's the issue here.
From the professional games I have seen it seems very difficult for protoss to deny the zergs powerful makro in general. The adept builds seemed to be quite a gamble.
Yeah, protoss just has way too many gimmick units and not enough actual fighting units, so it leads all protoss armies to essentially look similar, because late game it all comes down to essentially, HT/ disruptor/ colossus with a zealot/stalker mix. Skytoss just isn't good period, with the only decent air units being pure harassment types like the oracle. Main problem is that they're afraid to unbalance PvT (which is pretty fair), but PvZ is just totally one-sided against toss.
@@taragnor No, archon/immortal was actually the standart style for a long time now, because these are the fighting units you ask for.
Maybe some senturies and stalkers a support and later storm against the big unit counts. And the way to get to that army is to send the less needed minerals to the zerg in zelot-runbys.
Collosus and disruptors are more common now, but only because they can be a better followup to the new adept all-ins.
But storm is still the undisputed best area damge.
Nobody uses disrutors in lategame against Zerg, they suck against everything apart from roach/ravager and those are never made in lategame. Zerg units are too fast and too malee oriented for disruptors.
The problem with protoss is the lack of scalable unit. tier 1/2 gate way units are weak as fuck and becomes even more useless as the game progress into mid or late game. unlike terran with scalable units that can be effective and microable at many stages in the game or zerg literally just need to build one building to instantly tech switch with stocked up larvae. Protoss had to pick or plan a build of choice and make do with it or die if it doesn't work. The mass phoenix play is a prime example, zerg despite losing so much workers can just tank the damage with faster drone production than lost and still manage to slowly tech and build up counter units. For protoss, after investing so much into phoenixes, cannot tech switch fast enough to deal with the counter. And yea, protoss units are binary that's true. They don't have good unit comp synergies and are easily hard countered. Protoss only chance is to do timing attacks, end the game before opponent can counter. 1:40:50 is the only time in the match Stats had a chance in a game, there is a small window of doing some damage before Rogue's vipers comes out. He should have traded as much and as efficiently as he can but did not and backed away. Once the vipers and lurkers are out, Stats loses the whole army for free basically.
@@ich439 : I'm talking about cheap baseline combat units you can mass produce, not expensive hard to replace tech units. That's the entire problem with toss, all their big units are high tech. They don't have a workhorse like the roach. The zealot is the closest thing they've got and banes hard counter them into oblivion, and to make matters worse, zeals really aren't good at all without charge. Most of the other units are hit and run: blink stalkers, oracles, adepts, phoenix. Sure immortals are great, if you can make enough, but producing them requires an expensive robo bay and they build very slowly and move slowly.
Protoss players have been asking for the dragoon back for a while to get a gateway unit that can actually go toe-to-toe. Something that isn't designed to annoy, but to actually kill. Instead LotV gave them the adept, another unit designed for hit and run harass. The other unit was the disruptor which was another high tech, slow-building power that requires a meatwall in front of it. On the zerg side, Zerg gets the ravager and lurker which are both effective on the battlefield and can be brought in significant numbers.
At least stats vs TY was a good match up.
Don't spoil
Not your fault actually, it's youtube that puta comments on top on mobile
@@yuuki3 This comment is implying that this match wasn't even. I knew that rogue led 2-0 so now I know stats lost. I would have gone to end of the video to check it anyway, and other comments are spoiling even more, so it's not a big deal :D
@@rkanava7245 Dont look the comment before the end of the video too loool
All games with Zerg now are not fun, unless Zerg is severely damaged the first 4 minutes. Then there is 50-50 lol
Next Protoss Code S champion in 2077...
StarCraft X
It does seem that way, doesn't it? Classic is gone. Zest is adeptfest. Stats and Trap can't stand up to Rogue or Dark. sOs is washed up. Parting is really the only hope at this point. Seems like P need a bit of a buff but I'm not sure how to do it because all 4 of Stats's losses here were different.
Leish Tek - My opinion : at the start Stats said that he has a new strategy, I did not like the sound of that, it's not that he lost that disappointed me, is how he lost, the first game he just used most of his economy to harass drones with oracles and when that didn't worked the next game he tried it again with Phoenixs, he was always behind with the mining resources, when Rogue had 2 bases Stats had 1 when Rogue had 3 bases Stats was barely starting his second, how can you win if you are behind economically and trying to harass 2 or 3 drones.
TY died for this...
TY had absolutely no chance against Rogue, Stats was clearly way better than TY (TY only won with all ins/weird games and got outplayed in all macro games) and he still go destroyed by Rogue
@@Sol-gz4pp I love TY, but you are right: he would have stood no chance against Rogue.
I think Terran vs Zerg would have been better longer matches than this but with a similar outcome, maybe 1 more terran win.
In any case, it was a well-deserved win for Rogue
@@Sol-gz4pp Crazy to think that you're actually stupid enough to think that players' day-to-day performance cannot vary enormously. Your existence makes a good case for chemical-asctration (you can rearrange that for me, oh wait you're too dumb) of people with double-digit IQ.
Maaaaaaaan. I wasn't expecting that to end in that fashion.
Holy shit Tasteless' beard is absolutely amazing.
Uh so how the void rays buff will help protoss in this match up Blizzard? lol
You can see who'd win in a defensive protoss vs zerg from miles away.
Rogue doesn't even need nydus SH to slap down Stats.
I just hope some protoss win Not only zerg and terran
nwbtoss
Lol terran wins don’t happen mate
@@veidro is this a joke?
Called it. I just knew that there was no way that Stats could beat Rogue. It was always going to be a 4-1 or 4-2 at worst for Rogue. If only it was PartinG instead of Stats... Would've been a better finals
at the end of stats vs ty 1st semi game I said in chat if stats wins rogue would ez win short games, if TY had won i think we would have had a rogue win 4-2 with a decent number of late game matches.
Not a particularly hard call now
parting would have been destroyed even harder
@@dgam4211 true but would of been alot more entertaining 😂🤣😂. Game 5 would of been a failed cannon rush.
I hope Tasteless and Artosis don't get paid by the hour or they will come up short with this paycheck. What a lackluster ending to an otherwise fantastic season of GSL.
I feel kinda sad for Stats. I really was hoping he could push through...
same. seems like he didn't wake up today
Watching this was like watching a fly get caught in a spider's web; then desperately struggle to get free as the spider approaches, bites down on its abdomen, and drains its blood to the brink of death; then breaks its wings and cuts it from the web after which it crashes into the ground and crawls with its very last strength and unbroken legs to the nearest dark hole to die in.
The silver lining is the fly got $12,000 and a bouquet of flowers.
Love the details and effort you put in this comment 😊
I play since the begginings of sc1. I firmly believe blizzard efforts to hardcounter zerg vs terran and protoss has become into this. Predictable and boring builds for protoss that work mostly in all-ins. Where protoss had sentrys, zerg have ravagers, spell casters comparison is ridiculous and even the golden armada looks so feble agaisnt corruptors, hydras, ravagers, fungals, neurals, abductions, parasitic bombs. Not even mentioning the nydus joke and the swarm host. In physics a 3 dimensional problem is a really hard to solve, and i think blizzard understimated the complexity of the solution. Now they have 2 well balanced match ups and a third completely broken. Hope they can work and fix this beautiful game that has become an important part of my lifetime.
Yeah, the thing is that the zerg production model just doesn't work if Zerg has too many options. It worked in brood war because Zerg was a lot more limited in what they could do. Thing is that every unit they've added for zerg in each expansion is a viable late game unit, while protoss has mostly gimmick units that don't scale well (adepts, oracles, phoenix, sentry, etc).
@@taragnor Agreed. I've always thought about Blizz adding in a tech tree for adepts and all the other useless mid/late game for Protoss. Similar to how Archons are made, maybe if Adepts and the earlier units had a way to transform into units that can actually be useful mid/late game, the dynamic of ZvP would be better.
@@SirChocula @taragnor Interesting comments. What I fear is blizzard fixing protoss to the point where it loses its race essence.
@@SandraWantsCoke I would prefer a merge for increased attacks speed and health for adept. Makes keeping them alive meaningful and actually allows a successful Protoss adept attack to follow up with something.
A chain shield ability for oracles where multiple oracles can spend energy to charge each other's shield. Would give them something else to do late game and make them scarier in a rush.
Disrupters being able to go invisible if stationary but if they attack become visible. The amount of invisible Zerg units that are useful vs other races is ridiculous. Terran has ghosts, banshees, (and used to have mines) Protoss had DTs and it's detection unit, Zerg has infestors, lurkers, banelings, roaches. If toss or Terran don't do a gimmicky early game build then Zerg doesn't need detection until very late game whereas all the other races need it basically right after the first timing occurs for the rest of the game.
Boring series, what a letdown.
Yeah, second season in a row where the Grand Finals was a blowout, and the awesome games were in the Ro4
Yeah. Protoss seems balanced. Nerf them more (sarcasm).
Everyone whining about balance...Rogue dropped only one map in knockout phase, and Stats played so bad (he bear Rogue 2-1 in grp stage iirc). Now he let slow lings kill him in the end. Didnt stop phoenix production in game two, didnt scout muta switch in game one... I mean, round of 8 had balanced distribution, so lets not fiddle with balance so easily.
@@Biskawow Go practice more Zerg dude. What you said is true for the 8+, but Zerg's potential > any other race. All you have to do is reach that potential.
@@zeratulofaiur2589i dont play sc2 just watch it
IMO Protoss player need more practice. They lack of creativity and precision. Creative player like parting, and defensive macro player like stats, they need to improve other areas. In the other side, there are 3-4 zerg player which capable to play creative or just straight up macro. Terran has 1-2 player. I see none of the protoss have that high standard. Thats not about which race you choose to play.
THANK YOU E-SPORTS!
What a season! Excited for the void ray change and the benefits in timings and strategic play! Next season should be THEE MOST INSANE AND CLOSE SEASON TO BE SEEN!!!!!!!!!!
Man, it's frustrating to watch stats play sometimes. I feel like he had game 3 won if he would have kept pushing with his army when Rogue had no answer to the Colossi. But instead he just kept prodding and then retreating until Rogue had everything he needed to counter the colossi.
yeah, he needed to kill at least one of the hatches in game 3 and had an army that had a window to do it, but then he retreated too early and didn't push back, giving the win to zerg.
True. Imagine being in his shoes though. Having to make split second decisions like that vs an absolute monster like Rogue.
@@justyndelbridge7467 True, but that's what distance extremely good players like Stats from the absolute best. The most dominant players all have/had that killer instinct, SlayerS_`BoxeR` Jaedong, Flash, MC, MVP, INnoVation and many more. And this is GSL finals, if you are there, you are a monster as well :D
Did Stat even try ?
He was like "OK I didn't get 4-0ed, bye"
The best part of tonight was hearing that ASL is coming back soon; can't wait for it !
I am pretty sure he did try, this matchup is just unbalanced. Zerg OP.
@@alvalankerofficial Look at the play offs...2 out 8 were Zerg.
Part of being really good at something, is being able to read skill levels and form curves. Stats probably understood that his own form wasn't good, and at the same time Rogue was peaking. It's possible that he felt that he'd never be able to stage an actual comeback.
@@heavycritic9554 Protoss feels very underwhelming against zerg.
But pretty decent against Terran.
@@alvalankerofficial nah. Stats best matchup is against zerg. Just admit it, zerg player do better these years. You couldnt blame tiki taka op just because barcelona (was) played very well.
Sorry for Stats, I was hoping for his win. Next time.
"Look at you knowing what's going on at the end of the show and me not knowing, Artosis"
God I love tasteless :D
Worst final match ever
Nah worst final is still Nestea vs Inca
The Rogue vs Zest 4-1 at IEM 2020 was on the same shitiness lvl. Rogue makes ZvP look super boring
@@Thrall5090 Blizzard makes ZvP look boring. The matchup is in a horrendous state.
Me sees 2 hour long video for final: sick! A great series coming up!
Rogue: not so fast buddy
PvZ is just completely and utterly broken and resulted in this terrible series as a GSL final. What a letdown.
GOLDEN WALL IS THE BEST MAP I'VE EVER SEEN. Such a great concept and ALWAYS leads to great matches
I don't know why they even bother to go for the mass phoenix builds.
Its pretty straightforward to just make hydras.
Rogue in the last game be like :
Lol, 8 zergsling a-move wins
that's my secret to a 58% ZvP rate in D3
That's why I usually wall off early with Adept/Batteries even if it means slower macro :P
Well they didn't a-move but ok
hey don't look down on his strat -- he also had to click on the pylon
Pretty convenient that Stats had nothing in his wall, right?
It starts to get boring after a while, watching protoss lose every single time...
You mean except every other series that stats played to get into the finals.
@@hmosh Yes, thank you, that's very helpful. Of course Protoss doesn't literally lose every series. I was just pointing out that it seems like nearly every series I watch is lost by Protoss, seeming to indicate an imbalance, at least at the very highest levels. But I figured I wouldn't have to spell that out.
@@brianthom6798 if stats had won would you say zerg is imbalanced?
How about one player was the better player and that's why they won
@@hmosh there is no dispute that zerg is incredibly imbalanced. Even rogue himself said it when he beat trap last year.
@@aaabatteries9948 maybe, maybe not. Not saying that as a response to one game is retarded
I'd like to blame this in racial imbalance, but Rogue was simply just better and Stats was playing worse than he usually does. Last season's TvT finals was sooooooo much better than this finals, and that was a 4-0.
I agree, if stats was going to win this series he had to win game 3. In that game they were at least on equal footing but since he could not win the more equal games of the series Stats would never be able beat Rogue in a bo7.
@@williameriksson8649 Doesn't seem like he could beat Rogue even if he was in good shape tbh. Funnily enough Stats and Rogue faced off in Group D at this season's Ro16 and he beat him 2-1, but it's a Bo3 compared to a Bo7 of the grand finals.
Well GSL finals often end up being like this. The last time we had a solid GSL final it was Maru vs TY. And that was already 2 years ago! Ever since then, even if people try to predict it to be more close and even if the score ends up being 4-2, when you look at those games it's always one player dominating the other.
Tasteless commentary has improved ALOT since the beginning of the Sc2 era. He is very good nowadays. I used to watch the first 3-4 years of Sc2 GSL basically and back then Tasteless was kinda "lost" and just talked out of his ass most of the time but still was entertaining. Nowadays it seems he got alot of knowledge, which is a huge plus. :)
winamp :D
Next thing to do is make something of your life, widepeepohappy
At the skill of professionals, when people play full time for living, Protoss is impossible to beat Zerg in long run. Every final of PvZ, when people have time to prepare for BO7, zergs OWN protosses. Trap vs Dark, Stats vs Rough, etc. all of those protoss players are great, but the match up is broken. Sad fact.
It's almost like Protoss player have to do intricate changing hidden strategies and Zerg just need to pick the correct one of their 3 macro builds to beat it.
No classic. And la cucuracha sos was eliminated so yeah.
We could also easily say that Dark is way better than Trap and Rogue was way better than Stats today.
Stats is a really great player. But today was clearly not his day. And i don't know why he kept being agressive when it's clearly not its strenght. Tell me he wasn't confident enought when going into this final, for the worst.
Yeah clearly balance is to blame cause Stats played soooo goooood
Is it imba or do you suck? I think you suck.
Come on people, don't blame it on Stats. What could he do? It's Zerg.
He could cheese, the only effective way to get a 50-50. But then again, the Zerg knows that and is ready to counter
I can't believe I woke up early to watch this live XD
I don’t understand why anyone plays Protoss at this point. They can only win with crazy shenanigans which is why they get so much hate despite never really winning anything. There will never be a Protoss equivalent to Serral, Rogue, Maru or Inno. Protoss players simultaneously don’t win shit and get shitted on by the community. Poor bastards lol.
protoss is op if you survive early game without being already dead
@@dgam4211 lol no it's not. I can't remember when I last saw a protoss win a late game PvZ. If it goes into lategame Protoss loses. It's pretty much why protoss just does glaive builds and timing all-ins.
Rogue also 4-0ed DRG in the semis, so buff Zerg, nerf Rogue?
@@taragnor dont know about that, i think when protoss gets a foothold the game gets at least even, mech sucks and most of the zerg late game bullshit has been nerfed even tho im still waiting for a viper nerf
@@dgam4211 PvT late game is fine. Really PvT in general is a pretty balanced matchup. It's really just PvZ lategame where toss always gets smoked.
IEM Katowice + gsl championship , Rogue truly is the best player in the world this year.
I think he has the most earnings among the sc2 players right now, rogue is the best zerg player of all times.
@Dmon Blu Saying that Rogue is not a good player and that Serral is a "massive washed up choker" just makes you look like a clown sir.
Just ignore the silver league clown 😁🤡
@Dmon Blu Serral what ? Stop comparing with rogue pls. He is even worse than stats for sure rn
Even so people will still be sleeping on Rogue. Sure he often slacks of and drops off early but when he enters the tournament with motivation to win, he wins. Simple as that.
The fan prediction here was 30 something rogue wins... Like WTF?? It was rather clear that Rogue was a favourite and while stats is the best protoss he just started coming out from long term slump.
People can hope for Stats to win but when making prediction be more reasonable. I expected 4:2 at best.
@Dmon Blu either you never ever touch GM, or you aren't a sc2 player. Say whatever you want. Just because serral, dark, and rogue are playing super well, that doesnt mean zerg op. You dont know what they going thru and you simply said zerg op. Jenius!!
Ty won last season because Scarlett knocked out rouge in group lmao
Morality: let's put Scarlett on Rogue's road each GSL.
zerg is the like hardest & complicated car to control on the race track, but once you master it, the complication rewards you the best detail controls on every corners.
With 10 years of plays, the penalty on precise skills now become of an advantage by a very few.
Thank You! *insert meme*
@@MyNameIsXYlp terran imo takes more skill and has a higher ceiling. The micro needed for terran is pretty insane. Massive difference between a good terran vs a bad one.
@@metascrub285 Yes, Engagements are pretty volatile for Terran
That's where you can gain ground as a great Terran.
The way on the race track sounds more like the build to me and while you obviously sometimes prioritize one thing over the other regarding mineral spending (e.g. cut workers for hellions with the Armoury) the path is much sturdier for non zerg, you're rarely going to see something else than a third or 2 more racks with the next 300-400 minerals after the 1-1-1 stands and constant worker production
Zerg can do more fluid "turns on the racetrack"
Nah, Zerg doesnt' require precision. It's basically an APM sink that requires the most actions but they're just actions you repeat over and over again. inject, spread tumors, position overlords, etc. Microwise they're easy compared to protoss and terran. Watch the previous game of Stats vs TY and you see way more impressive unit control on both sides.
I like how Rogue allowed Stats to win one game for the sake of GSL production :)
He was also called SexyBoi and the pro who had Balls of Steel back in his ProLeague days. The most exciting player to watch that is not s0s. Also was in the league of players having straight all-kills record.
Protoss is too inflexible to fight zerg.
Zerg is too flexible to fight anything
Protoss army might be stiff as hell but Stats choked horribly in this series.
While stats did play poorly, I think that it’s also true that Protoss needs more units that heavily reward micro and positioning, Zerg and Teran are flexible and have units that reward creative play, Protoss just builds toward one or two late game compositions, they need to slightly nerf a lot of their units and then give them intricate special abilities to make it fair.
Thank you AfreecaTV for uploading awesome starcraft videos.Thank you Tastosis for making games fun to watch. Rouge is a seriously crazy zerg able to play whatever the style he wants.
I think that a game would be fair if both races could get to the mid game in even fashion . If you leave a Zerg untouched you can’t do anything cause the counters that Zerg can do are way to hard . Look at the colossus game . 3 vipers and its game over .... with what expense? A hive and a lurker den. To easy . Toss needs robo , robo bay , 200 200 upgrade for colossus and 300 200 per colossus . It’s to much . Something needs to change
This. Zerg has too many options that actually work. Other races don't.
I think it's the way zerg makes units.
The fact they can get a building and jump on the muter key like in game one. Makes them able to tech switch and hard counter like in game one 2 quicky.
Creep giving vision as well as overlords compounds the problem. Giving heads up to tech switch usually having enough to hold on.
Zerg has all the advantages. Zerg is far more forgiving. Hell Toss can lose just by letting a handful of zerglings past the wall, while Zerg can sustain losses of a ton of drones and be fine. Zerg just has a flat out better late game so protoss is forced to attack. Really so long as zerg is good at defending against the protoss harassment, it's an easy win for zerg. And to make it even worse, Zerg also has the best map vision and faster units on creep, making defense very easy for them compared to other races. The deck is totally stacked against toss.
And the fact that vipers have unlimited energy, what other race has that?
I mean, idk how they balanced it in brood war, but the fact that zerg is always a base ahead, means that your economy is always ahead. Especially against protoss because they don't have mules.
Not gonna lie, that last game felt disappointing. I wonder if, in PvZ like in TvP, the MU aren't a bit too balanced about one of the the players not making mistakes until midgame...
I mean to be far that was a bronze league mistake not even having the probe in position, it wasn't like it a was off by a pixel it was just straight up not positioned.
@@yeetbra9485 I won't deny Stats did significant mistakes in this series. But part of my point is he did so 'cause he felt like he was compelled to do damage, and so to take risks in order to do so.
TriasNT He just missed the lings and then had nothing to block his wall, that is a massive mistake
@@TheHahanicevideo you miss the point. Zerg has like always enough to defend and also herrass....
Bring back mothership core
@@ottootto8568 He got outplayed in terms of army movement so the lings got in, that should never happen and he also failed to block with his probe for no reason.
this is sad ...
that`s exactly why i wanted to see Rogue vs TY final
Did Stats just watch Barca game and played like "OK, at least I performed better than Messi"
Maybe making you start with 12 workers and giving zerg access to a free 3rd base every game was a bad idea, when one of the bigger downsides to zerg used to be earlygame flimsyness.
You do realize that 12 worker start actually favours protoss and Terran against zerg right? If I have to explain the math behind it then There's no hope for you. But sure an argument can be made for the map design making a 3rd base easier to acquire for zerg is an issue.
@@yeetbra9485 Well the main argument about this is 12 workers shortening the early game and making it harder to inflict damage to zergs with a shorter period of time to do it.
In Sc2 harrasing the zerg's economy early on has always been really important for terran and protoss to prevent it from getting out of control.
@@Sol-gz4pp cannon rushing, proxies, 2 rax etc are all still options. People are just annoyed because they can't cheese zerg consistently and expect to have it work as well as macro like back in wol. Cheesing is where it should be, something you can't expect to use every game, but something you can pull out in a best of series to throw your opponent off. The worker change makes cheese less viable, doesn't effect two base timings or uncommitted pressure.
I'm not saying that there aren't some issues with pvz Dynamics right now, protoss is kind of pigeon holed into only a few optioms, if I was wrong the the next patch wouldn't be geared mostly towards giving protoss more mid game options, but giving the other player the option to cheese more effectively is not a solution. For any match-up.
Edit: the worker change was necessary anyway as sc2 was losing players and viewers due to games being to slow paced, admittedly hots swarm hosts were the biggest reason for that, (idk who thought giving zerg a siege unit was a good idea) but either way they needed to speed the pace of the game up for the sake of it's survival.
@@yeetbra9485 "you can't expect to cheese every game" - did you even see how the macro games turned out for stats? If you don't cheese/timing attack you lose against a good Zerg player every single time
Yeet Bra No it doesn't, Zerg have to sacrifice workers when making buildings and overlords and naturally fall behind without queens, you instantly get a 2nd hatch nowadays without any risk whatsoever, 15 hatch used to be punishable and taking a third wasn't instantaneous, now the game basically begins at 3 bases which is really good for zerg. I play Zerg and compared to WoL you start accelerating way faster becouse you get out more hatches and more queens faster = faster growth and more creepspread. You weren't able to get 12 queens way back becouse they cost 150 minerals and you didn't instantly have 3 hatches, yes zergs value creepspread and their mechanics are better but giving zerg a fast 3rd every game is huge.
Last game definitely summed up the entire series. I was hyping up Stats and even said he would win even though I was pulling for rogue. Very disappointed in his play considering what he did to everyone to get to the finals
Diamond players watched this finals and now they have hope on making it to the GSL one day. lol...
Anyone know what the rock song at the end that started at 2:16:12 is? It's not one of the ones in the description. Thank you
PvZ is so imba and has been since lotv. Zerg has so many free windows and we saw them all play out here, from early ling runby, muta switch, to vipers and lurkers destroying a late game army. Be that as it may, rouge did play better, it's just that he only played slightly better yet it was a total stomp, if it was the other way around it would be a very close game.
Alvalanker Balance doesn't matter until the highest level, youre losing becouse youre worse than your opponeny
@Dmon Blu cope
"slightly" better =)
Dmon Blu No, the reason that happened is becouse EU has always had better Zergs and the KR scene has been losing ground to the EU scene = Bigger percentage of the best players will be Zergs. There's been a few dominant zergs, so what. Look at broodwar, flash was super dominant for a very long time, is terran broken? No. And the results of proplay are completely irrelevant to normal peoples ladder experience, don't delude yourself, even if Zerg was op at the highest level doesn't mean that it'll be op at lower levels or vice versa.
@@TheHahanicevideo : Only Zerg is OP at lower levels too. Zerg has the fewest percentage of bronze, silver and gold. It's currently easier to get to higher leagues as Zerg than any other race.
Is it just me, or was the production of this finals really sub par? Some twenty minutes of replays to start things of, then endless interviews. And then some more replays.
What about giving us what we come for, tastetosis and the occational game of StarCraft?
most of the series since at least the round of 8s were ridiculously one sided.
quite a disappointing GSL tournament to watch.
Yea, just shows what an unbalanced state the game is in when everything's one sided.
Games didn't feel one sided to me. The scores maybe but if that's all you go by why even watch the games? Just ff to the score screen
@@hmosh Perhaps i misspoke/miss-typed.
The games felt one sided.
the results looked ridiculously one sided.
And i didn't know the results until i watched the games so i'm not sure what the second part of your reply means. Please elaborate.
Great to see Rogue back on top. Those first 3 games were masterpieces.
The worst thing about a bad final is that nick and dan focus purely on the game. They don't make their silly jokes, don't tell their silly stories and they don't neg each other because it's obviously a serious situation. No fun, no laughter, no good games :-(
Honestly, I think they're a little fed up with how ZvP is right now. It's just so simple... Zerg barely needs to change anything, in fact they are often punished for changing things, meanwhile protoss HAS to do something. It's sadly broken, because the zerg skill curve ramps up much faster than P or T at the pro level. Honestly, without a patch, we're gonna see zergs dominate finals.
Two hours of blank video wouldn't help with disguising the victor. knowing 2 hours of black is at the end of the video- wouldn't that defeat the purpose?
Example:
I'm watching 2 hours left on a 3 hour video. it's 2 - 0 and you know you got 2 hours of blank left in the video...
This game needs an update. Anything to really shake things up. I'm a die hard sc fan but it's getting a bit to stale these days.
map two on golden wall: you gotta sacrifice a couple phoenixes to hull damage and possibly death, if you miss the micro, to keep killing overlords grouped over spores, which is why corsairs were better xD brood war here, that way you supply block the zerg for longer and the hydra army cannot be amassed since drone production is now also halted, which then gives you time to build a unit or two from all the gateways that were finishing warping in, since phoenixes don't always tech well, its better to finish their value kamikaze style
also this amended style then doesn't give the zerg time to make as many hatches and spread as much creep if you throw in one or two voidrays to use in conjunction with the oracle for revelation
We all saw this coming. The last year or two has just been straight zerg buffs and protoss nerfs. Yes, Rogue and Serral are great players, but if you can't seriously cripple the zerg's economy, then you lose. You have to do so much harassment or all in.
Thats so much BS Carl... what are you talking about.... get gud man!
@@nmlsaiya When brood lord infestor becomes OP again, thats when you know you fucked up as the balancing team.
@@carlmarl6531 that wont happen since there are no infested terrans atm
@@ZoeylaRose implying infested terran was the reason why infestors got blizzard nerf nuked
Why is Denmark, but only Denmark blocked from watching this video? Seems really weird.
I'm not surprised.
Having a dominating winner is sorta cool in and for itself, er, right?
JinAir fighting!
Nah I got sick of flash pretty quickly when I watch brood war.
God stats is terrible. Sacrifices his first 2 adepts for almost nothing 4 games in a row letting Rogue do whatever he wants, then game 5 he keeps them alive and misses the runby somehow?
He gave up.
As i said game was fixed, too obvious. u dont go two base on smaller maps without prepping for mass lings, stats only had one lousy gateway :(
Stats does it pretty well actually.
For it to be worth you have to kill 3 drones and have a minor drone pull according to Harstem, in the first game it was not that bad considering he got 2 drones and a big drone pull, in the third game it was worth too he got 3 drones and all the drones moved and in the forth game he got 5 drones which is really good, he never really failed with it.
In the last game it's just that Rogue adjusted really well to this and sent 6 lings around the map because he knew stats would sent his 2 adepts accross the map.
@@Sol-gz4pp ye protoss isn't allowed to make any tiny sidestep or insta hard counter by zerg. And zerg always makes 3 hatcheries each game. So how can protoss adjuts to that? In no way. That's the state of the game
@@Sol-gz4pp He teleported on top of 6 lings in all 4 games. You can't lose your first 2 adepts like that because you lose all map control you can't scout you can't pressure you can't threaten his units to deny his scouting you let rogue do whatever he wants, in game 1 he got 2 drones game 2 3 drones the adepts never came close to paying for themselves. Absolutely abysmal play by Stats
Game 1 was amazing.. stats still had confidence and watching rogue shatter that was really the highlight of this.
Zerg has too many options and can switch so easily between tech. They have answers early and the strongest late game. Stats played better third game but lurker damage is insane and vipers make collosus useless. Lurkers really bother me as a Terran player it's really hard to accept Zerg has a unit better than siege tanks, they're invisible, they don't cause friendly damage, and their area of damage is huge.
what doesnt make colossus useless
But as Terran if you get to ultra late game and get bcs out and play perfectly you can win
Just make it so Vipers can't abduct massive.
@@warlordnipple bcs are awful, tempest 2.0, lose them and you are completely fukced
@Λ BCs were made in the late game literally 2 weeks ago in the semi-finals.
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Anyone know where I can go to get the music used in GSL?
25k USD for winning arguably the hardest tournament in e-sports?? Come on GSL how much budget cut really happened?
SC2 is dieing, deal with it, retards from blizzard are to blame.
@@amai2307 Blizzard employees are barely getting paid, thanks to Activision.
@@Ole_Rasmussen check warcraft 3 tier 1 tournaments won by race. Orcs and Undeads are suffering since release of frozen throne, as soon as they are starting to win - nerfs incoming instantly, while human and ne are elite races. It has nothing to do with activision or being paid. Blizzard disbalance team are just retarded fuckers who are killing games, during these years a lot of orc and undead pro players just retired from the game.
sc2 in korea is not in a good place at all
@@amai2307 everything blizzard gets destroyed after launch
I came to see Stats fail, but I stayed for the Korean ads.
This is the most broken i've ever seen a matchup. Blizzard seemingly fails to understand how to fix it given that they're buffing protoss late game units in a matchup where protoss mid game is incredibly weak and late game is practically non-existent. There might have been a single late game PvZ this entire GSL season.
when the intro is cooler than the games itself...
zergcraft 2
2:00:32 Coolest Fan Art - "Championships?? I Came to see Tastosis" LOL! But they were ALL a lot of fun.. Hope you continue this tradition :-)
Poor strategic Gamplay , i would rather watch TY at finals stats and rogue both defensive.
Terran can turtle, protoss can't. If protoss cannot stop Zerg from droning up and expanding, protoss is going to die a terrible death in late game.
The ONLy strategy that works against Zerg is to rush them early. If Zerg is not damaged the first 4 minutes, Zerg will most likely win. Because of that, there is no element of surprise, unless of course you are crappy at the game.
From Liquidpedia: Top SC2 earners in 2020 after this tournament:
1 Rogue $ 157,121 USD
2 Zest $ 83,799 USD
3 Serral $ 49,884 USD
4 Maru $ 49,354 USD
5 INnoVation $ 45,328 USD
Rogue is killing it, the man know how to consistently win.
Back in the days, it was sos making so much money
Stats was able to play better. He beat incredibly TY. With Rogue he didn’t show any power or aggressive or master any of the games he plays.
The game with mass Phoenix is just a joke. Last game is nooby one !!!
Yeah, the mass Phoenix game it seems like he just wasn't producing from his like 10 (?) gates at all while banking for a solid minute.
because ZvP is broken as fuck
Thank you GSL!! Always entertaining, always great!
Stats throwing the matches? Lol, some of those L’s were painful to watch.
never thought i would see mass phoenix in the gsl
Nope, it went as expected. A Zerg who is not crippled the first 4 minutes shall Win. Otherwise, it is 50-50. Stats style is not to cheese.
Yeah why mass phoenix against zerg. I never seen that work in gm.
And some korean dude please tell us what that HANBUN means ??
I am bit disappointed with STATS.
I hope he learned his mistakes & comeback stronger next time.
You are disappointed that Stats didnt take any hostages to make blizzard disbalance team to fix the game?
Coz that was his only chance to win it.
@@ak47tetris84 oh yeah! he might be going for military service like Classic.
this might be is life's last gsl final. :-(
@@amai2307 I am not saying Zerg is OP or anything about unbalance.
I admit that Rouge destroyed Stats.
I am just Stats's fanboy.
game two: stats blew his micro. straight up doing upgrades and pocketing 500-1000 minerals and 500 gas while full vision of hydras on Rouge's side of the map.
I just don't see how a 50 cheaper voidray would change what I saw today?
It's not worth it late game, mid game its much better to get a Phoenix /oracle for like 100 50 extra. At least you get to snipe few drones and still clear overlords. Whoever is doing these balance changes must have been hired by activision 🙃
When was the last time a Protoss player won an important tournament?
who paid him to throw that match
Stats should be banned like Life for throwing the finals.
Showing all the fan art was really cool
I feel like TY would have prepared better.
I don't see any special build that stats prepared for this final. I remember when classic (another toss) won his gsl. Every game has different strategies. There's that cheese, macro micro you name it.
Games start around 50 minutes
game 1: better land army, and also a shit ton of mutas for no reason. I doubt stats is bad at macro...
game 5: misses a wall, insta gg. how is this shit balanced lol
He had the worst possible composition vs that land army and didn't scout the mutas. Sounds more like bad scouting than balance.
And not walling properly at that level is jnsta gg, yes. That's not a balance issue. Not saying there aren't balance issues, but this series is a bad example. Stats played very poorly.
@@DesVenin : Let me fix that. Missing a unit in the wall is insta gg AGAINST ZERG. There's no equivalent for other races. two adepts in the enemy terran base isn't GG because the terran left a depot down.
taragnor Lol if his adepts are home at that point, the lings dont get anything done even if they get in, the probe didn't block, stats fucked up and got punished, if terran has no units in his base and 2 adepts get in, terran is fucked.
@@taragnor that's how the races work. If they were all the same the game would be boring af. If zerg doesn't have units in their base when a war prism comes, or detection for early dts, they die. If you need up, you get punished. It's not that hard.
Again. I'm not saying there aren't balance issues with zerg. But choosing these games to complain about is stupid. Stats played poorly. If you want your arguments to actually work, talk about things that haven't been facts since WOL.
Mess up**
HES THE GOAT it is never close with him in the finals he KILLS everyone GOAT no one is close to him. Sad to know hes gone for two years but man oh man hes so damn good.
I can't help but feel like the volatility of PvP is to blame for Finals like this.
Every GSL we see turtling Protoss do great in Group stage, because PvP proxies are OP and unpredictable. Then when we get to the longer series those same Protoss get clobbered because they're completely one-dimensional.
Stats one dimensional? Just stop. Zerg is broken af.
Kevin Masson Stats was clearly clobbered by a better player lol
I think you're being unfair - Rogue destroyed Stats... but he destroyed everyone he has faced since the Ro8. If anything this tournament has been about who gets to not meet Rogue long enough to be in the finals.
I mean that "one dimensional protoss" did take out last season's winner who himself got to this point...and qualified in a group over rogue after beating him 2-1. He had a good tournament, survived a pretty difficult group, took out some big names and overall deserved to be a finalist
Rogue just 3-0'd dream and 4-0'd DRG. He literally played a bo5/7 against each race vs players who looked STRONG up till that point - DRG destroyed innovation in the previous ZvT they had and dream looked so scary this tournament that EU didn't want him in their group during Ro16. They still couldn't do shit vs Rogue.
Don't blame PvP for this situation and don't blame Stats, Rogue crushed all 3 races equally. Just accept Rogue was a lot stronger than everyone during this tournament.
Protoss do rather fine against Terran. It is just that they get crushed by Zerg.
RodelIturalde There's just been a period of really strong zerg players, zerg responds to the opponent for the most part and protoss is usually about decieving/surprising your opponent and when protoss eventually runs out of tricks they lose to Zerg. It's a 10 year old game and protoss was way stronger back in the day but is weaker nowadays becouse of it. This coupled with removing most of the earlygame = Zerg gets advantaged. Also, Europeans have ALWAYS been better at zerg no matter the NA and KR meta and as a result, now when KR scene and NA scene isn't growing as fast as the EU scene = more strong Zergs. Why EU has strong zergs i can't say but it's always been like this.
Why only Zerg and Terran win tournaments ? I mean beside that the best players in the world are not toss.
Did Stats even prepare att all? I really didnt like any of his builds.
the total options for protoss atm is... adepts, and thats a bad option
Rogue may or may not be the best SC2 player of all times, but one thing is sure: he's the most strategical SC2 player
Yeah watch how he use the swarm hosts builds and or winfestor attacks
Rogue produces the worst of finals for sure 🤣
If that changed he might be more popular...
He is not popular because he is a "boring" winner. Others enjoy being the best, while Rogue just likes to practice and is relieved that he can go home with the prize money
Seemed like it was as his opponents that produced bad finals, not Rogue
More concerned with being a successful pro gamer than a popular one.
It's not Rogue. Blizzard makes worst of Finals.