STUPID Power In A Light Levergun - Rossi 454 Casull
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- Small, light and with stupid (extreme) power, the Rossi R92 454 Casull. We'll look at recoil, velocity and downrange effectiveness.
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Ok so I watched this video a 100 times..😂😂
I found one up here in Canada and bought it. It accepts and cycles factory 45 colt no problem. I shot some 454 Casual factory loads and holy mother of pearl what a hammer. My shoulder cries every time I pull it out. I just say "suck it up princess" lol.
After the range I come home, get in the tub carefully, out liquid heat on my shoulder and 72 hours later I feel better. My rotator cuff injury makes a difficult range session but the smile makes it better. I'm going to hunt deer with 45 colt this coming fall. I'll also go moose hunting with the Casull bullets. Thks TS
I'm stunned that people can shoot it in a handgun when it appears to beat up the user in a rifle...
It’s funny that this video came out now. I have the same exact gun and just two days ago I took it to the range and I was shooting HSM 325 grain bear loads. The two gentlemen next to me wanted to know what I was shooting and Why flame was coming out the barrel after each shot. I let them shoot it and they both said never again. LOL
Haha! This gun is definitely not for everyone, especially if it's stuffed with "bear" loads😄
@@TargetSuite I'm guessing one could probably do better than a lot of "revolver" factory loads. Develop some stuff with longer burn rate powders that perhaps reach lower max pressure but burn longer, and achieve similar velocity without the sharp recoil peak. It's a theory.
Just think that this cartridge was developed for a handgun. I want one!
@@TargetSuite and Kip: In Alaska, the .454 Casull is used in handgun revolvers as a brown bear deterrent. I'll take the Rossi R92 any day over a Ruger Redhawk for this purpose. Living in Canada, the handgun revolver was never an option, the only choice being a long gun---at the lower end being a .45-70 Government lever rifle or 30-06 (200 gr) semi-automatic rifle.
Ha, they should try my Ruger #3 45-70 with 500gr hot handloads that approach 458 Win Mag power. Which I haven't shot in like 30 years.
I own semi-auto's , bolt action and lever rifles and I prefer the levers over all. The are just so fun and comfortable to carry and I like the safety aspects of being able to drop the hammer if you decide not to fire that round.
I like your approach to firearms. Folks really miss out if they can't enjoy all types!
Another knock off well you know who.
Back in '01, I got a Rossi m92 on a job at TVA, I went to a shop in Memphis and bought 5 toys. One was a Rossi M92 in .45 Colt. I got some 300 gr. Buffalo Bore +p. Holy High Hell! In a 5 and a half pound rifle that black and blue me halfway to my waist from the bench in only 10 rounds. That gun was brutal with the narrow steel buttplate they had back on the 00`s. I still loved it! I am in the market for a 1879 in .500 Smith!
I have had mine for several years. I reload with Hornady 300 grain XTP and taken 4 white tail doe and 1 white tail buck, 10 plus hogs and a dozen plus axis doe with mine here in Texas. I used it back in my home state of Wyoming to take one cow elk.
As for the 45 Colt, I have had “fair” luck with the Hornady Flex Tip leaving the 45 Colt cases full length.
I did smooth out the side gate as mine was a little sharp, install a saddle ring, Mag tube spring and feeder. Removed the rear sight and installed a scout base with the Vortex 2-7x32mm scout scope. I miss shooting her with open sights, but my aging eyes like the scope and taking accurate shots out to 200 yards is more than doable.
Great video!
Great comment! Thanks! I appreciate the idea about the flex tip bullets.
Never hunted exotics or elk but I've far exceeded your results on white tail bucks, does, and hogs with my 45 year old Marlin 30-30 with a 6 power scope. Longest one shot kills were 197yds on an 8 point and 254yds on a 200lb plus boar.
I'm not bragging about the gun. I'll just take luck over skill any day.🤠👍
@@ferengiprofiteer9145 : congratulations on your 30-30 harvest! That is some good shooting sir!
I wish we could attach pictures, I build my own custom bolt guns and flintlocks. I gave my brother in law a few over the years and he gave me a Winchester Model 94AE centennial carbine in 30-30 about 15 years ago. I hunted the Wind Rivers in Wyoming with it for an entire elk season. I could not find a bull, but I took a cow elk with her at 224 yards with a 160 grain factory loaded Hornady Leverevolution round and she dropped right where I hit her. I need to take that old gal back out. That cow was the only big game animal I have taken with it. The guy who was with me could not believe you could take an elk at that range with a 30-30. I to will take as much luck as i can… lol.
I still smile about that hunt.
Keep yours running and good luck!
@@raytribble8075
😉👍 (like my whiffs at golf balls, I only talk about my 2 birdies)
@@ferengiprofiteer9145 I hear you brother… The only thing I hit golf balls with is high speed projectiles… good for honing my aging eyes
Interesting. I have a Rossi 92 .454 that has cycled every 45 Colt I've tried. In fact it was my go to rifle for Cowboy Action Shooting for 3 or 4 yrs when I first started going to competitions.
That was my first question before I watched the vid, can I shoot my .45 Colt in it as I do in my .454 revolver.
I own both the Rossi 454 & the 45C. I also own a Ruger SRH that shoots both. I never considered putting a 45c in the 454 because I like my 454, and I’m not an idiot, I’m an Armorer and I understand why I shouldn’t. The Ruger reminds me of this after I shoot 45C and clean it thereafter.
My hyper-performance motorcycle or BMW will both “run” on 87 octane, but again…
I’ll wait to try the 45C in my 454 after the zombies come and it’s my only option left…
Thats interesting, I cannot get my Rossi to cycle with 45 colt loaded with the same 240 grain bullet. It will chamber, but not cycle, due to the different length of the brass.
I have been thinking about getting one of those to use probably exclusively with 45 Colt. I like the configuration better than their actual 45 Colt guns. The possibility of giving my chamber a good cleaning and having something that doesn't lag all of that far behind a 4570 would be interesting also
The short had me waiting all day yesterday. Worked graveyard last night and I appreciate it’s after I’m off work. Almost like you knew! Beautiful rifle and cartridge.
Well I know what it's like to get off a graveyard. I worked hundreds of them. Wish they had TH-cam Back Then😄 Thanks for watching and thank you for the comment!
👍 great video as always, i can honestly say this is the most I've ever looked forward to any youtube video, fantastic job.
Thank you! Sorry for making you wait. But the bathroom came first😄
I have owned a M92 in 454 for 10 years and love it. It has accounted for a half dozen deer at various ranges shooting hand loaded 250gr Hornady XTP pushed by a charge of IMR 4227. Yes, it is downloaded quite a bit but with the 20" barrel those XTP's almost make 1700fps, never had a whitetail take more than 3 steps after being hit. My favorite load is a 200gr Lee RN/FP bullet I cast myself and powder coat pushed by 10gr of Unique or CFE Pistol for about 1200 fps, light recoil and just a ball to shoot, cheap too. $10/100 to load and accurate out to 50 yards for chasing cans. As for quality I have both the 454 and it's little brother in 38/357, fit and finish is excellent and accuracy is spot on, no complaints from me.
Great comment! It's always good to hear and affirming testimony about Rossi quality.
I’ve been looking for one of those for years. I absolutely love the 454.
They were just re-released a year or so ago. Maybe one will show up.
Holy smokes that was fun! And with recoil approaching a 300 win mag, I'll bet it was more fun to watch than it was to shoot :) That is one impressive rifle and round. It'd make a terrific saddle gun in dangerous game country.
It was a hoot to make, Snappy recoil notwithstanding 😉
i have had that same rifle of about 10 years or so and for 45 colt loads i use 255 gn semi wad cutters they cycle nicely and is easily my favorite gun i own. the cowboy loads from armscor work very well but i normally load my own
I always thought that the .454 having that magazine tube loading feature was that the cartridge was too big for the loading gate. Glad to see that you can, in fact, load them the "old fashioned way". I commented on a .357 Rossi video that a certain Buffalo Bore 180 grain .357 magnum bullet would make a good hog stopper. I think I've found one that would remove any doubt!!! If I can find one and afford the ammo! LOL Great fun, as always. Thanks for the content, George!
As always, thank you for your comment and thank you for watching!
love it! also, thanks for showing yhe velocity changes for different length barrels on single action hand guns.
Thanks. And you are welcome!
Beautiful Rossi! But hope your shoulder is ok today. Thanks for another great video. So much fun to watch and so much good info.
Thank you! The shoulder is okay. I may break out the 45-70 today and work on it some more!
That is a sweet beast ! Thanks to Larry for sharing in the content.
Amen!
I have had a Rossi .454 casull for several years. The Magtech 280 gr. FMC-Flat are a great round for hogs. With proper shot placement they don't get up after one round. The Hornady 300 gr. XTP is a great round also and it has some great expansion out of the rifle or pistol. Everyone that has shot the Rossi .454 casull is amazed at the recoil. I enjoyed the video. You don't see very many on the Rossi .454.
454 Casull recoil in a carbine is stout for sure!
Good comment.
A pleasure to read legible,easy to read text !
Good use of English language,syntax,spelling!
@@TargetSuiteI must be immune. It feels just slightly more than a 30-30 to me...I like mine with 360gr hardcast.
I have the Rossi. 357 stainless in 20" myself. Thinking about taking it to Texas where my Son lives and doing some hog hunting. I have just purchased some underwood 180grain black cherry hard cast flat nose, also have Black Talon 180grain and of course some standard Fiocci 158 grain fully jacketed hollow points to try out. Not sure which would be the best, but im most curious regarding the black talons and what they end up doing to the hog. Im thinking those underwood hard cast will just penetrate completely through and not certain if the energy will really transfer to the wound cavity like the expanding hollow point Talons . Any thoughts?
@@spudthegreaterusa8386 @spudthegreaterusa8386 The Black Cherry hard cast is flat nose & there's a tremendous energy transfer. Sometimes they'll hit & tumble (upset) inside the animal ...😖 ouch.
Probably not as good as the softer alloys on small (
I have been looking for this gun for over two and a half years. Rossi has assured me that they are still in production. Guess I'll keep looking. Great video George!
Yes they are in production. Larry just bought this gun fairly recently from a local gun store. Good luck on your hunt. If I find two I will let you know😉
I've been looking as well. GB inflated prices are crazy.
@@JMGeranimo Yes they are. I have also been looking for some time.
I got the same answer from Rossi.
I am on more than a dozen "notify me when back in stock" lists, have been for over a year. Not a single notification.
They have many on gb now. Unfortunately I have purchased a few guns recently and am spent lol
Great video, love that rifle and caliber and all the information you just put out there for us, thanx for posting
You are welcome! Thank you for watching and thank you for your comment.
Wow! Just Wow! That is an incredible power in that level rifle. Thank you for sharing.
You are welcome. Thanks for your comment and thank you for watching!
They had a blued Rossi in 44 Magnum in the store nearby, but it’s a long shot from 44 Mag to 454 Casull. That was a great video! I certainly wouldn’t mind having one in my collection!! Thank you for a wonderful explanation of this rifle!
You are welcome. Thanks for watching and thank you for your comment!
For a pistol caliber carbine to share rounds with a handgun, I'd rather have that 44 mag you saw in the store Ron.
@@polymath5119 The .44 mag, too, gains a lot of speed with a 16" barrel compared to a revolver. It's not a bad cartridge from a lever gun!
Love this combo idea. This would make a great setup. I'd love to have one.
Great video. God bless all here.
Thanks!
I love your videos, definitely Rossi rifles are great guns, please keep posting more Rossi videos, cheers from Calgary 👍
Thanks! I love the new Rossis! More vids to come!
Picked up a r92 44. Mag 16inch and it's great! Was rough to start but after 50rds or so it's slick and spot on. Love a good thumper!
Congrats on your 44 levergun!
Great video George! Been subbed since you had about 1,700 subs. I have thoroughly enjoyed your videos since that time and have also enjoyed watching your channel grow. Just a tip for you Brother: When I am shooting a high recoil force rifle in the warmer months while wearing just a Tee-shirt, I will grab an old tea-towel from the kitchen drawer and fold it and place it inside my shirt upon my right shoulder. IT DOES WONDERS!
Haha! Great minds think alike. I've never put anything under my t-shirt but I have put a leather glove under my shirt in cool weather when shooting heavy recoiling guns.
@@TargetSuite When Mrs. Rev Taylor found out what I was doing with the towel, she said "Ok. But you're going to keep that one in your range bag and wash the sweat out of it when it stinks.". It's in my range bag right now. LOL
The Lee Reloading Manual 2nd ed. has a bunch of subsonic data for the 454 using Trail Boss. Might be some fun rounds to shoot in that which feel like 45 Colt, but will cycle OK. Some others are pretty light supers, around 44 Magnum levels. A 240gr at 1200 wouldn't be too bad. Either way, probably want a Limbsaver on that thing.
I had one until several years ago. It fed every .45 class Ic I ever put through it. I have 2 Rossi 92’s in .357, a 20” and a 24” octagon barrel, a 20” .44 mag, and a Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70, with the .454 between the .44 mag and the 45-70, I didn’t really see a need for it. I’ve been regretting selling it since then. Fun, and soft recoil compared to the 45-70 with the HSM bear loads with 430 grain +p loads , which the Marlin loves and shoots best with.
I would not want to be on the Receiving end of that Buffalo Bore Round! Amazing Video as usual!
Great video George ! Love the lever actions! Of course the 454 Casull is a very awesome cartridge! I’m not sure why it was not chambered in the 1895 Marlin as I believe it would have been quite at home there. I think sometimes it’s thought of as a wildcat yet or even ten or fifteen years ago when it should have been looked upon more in the light of cutting edge for it’s time. Dick Casull was quite a legendary pioneer of experimentation! Again very enjoyable!
Thanks for your comment! I'm not sure the 336/1895 action is strong enough for the 65,000 PSI 454 casull. But if it is, that would be a fantastic package especially in a little longer Barrel.
@@TargetSuite Yes I thought about that and not having any manuals with me at work I couldn’t do any checking at the time. However I know probably not up to that PSI but the 450 Marlin had some pretty powerful top end loads.
Buck Elliot and others did 454 Levergun tests back in the 80's.
They tried Win 1894 BB, Marlin 336 actions, etc and the Marlin failed in 20 rounds, wouldn't lock up safely. Paco Kelly has good write ups on 45 Colt in Leverguns, where he loads 45 Colt in Win 1892 to 50,000psi.
Big Horn Armory also made a beefed-up, hybrid 1886/1892 action that is incredibly robust and chambered in 454, 460, and 500S&W
Ok, very good, I’ve read a fair amount of Paco’s work. That is very interesting about the prior work. However, one must live with the constraints of the machine. Do you have any reference to article on the loads used to disable the Marlin or the work by Buck Elliot
@@raymondbuie5292 These test writings are actually somewhat tough to find, but you can still find forum posts here and there quoting their work. Try levergunscommunity and use the search feature.
Buck Elliot was a psuedonym, the actual gentleman passed away a few years ago. He did end up building a 454 levergun from scratch from a modified 1886 action sometime around 2007-2009.
Since you posted the short I have been waiting for this video let me grab my coffee and I will be right back LOL I don't want to miss one second of it.
I sure hope you're not disappointed😉
@@TargetSuite Very informative AND ENTERTAINING nice job. The way those water jugs exploded/disintegrated WOW it was like you were standing 1 foot away from you are right THAT 454 is a beast. Did any of the rounds put a dent in the steel? This must be an improved version as a friend of mine has one or maybe had I think he sold it because it had a steel butt plate at least this one has a rubber one. One thing to think about George that 454 in a shorter case has the same saami spec as a 460Magnum 😮😮
I have bears in my area. Ordered one of these through Bass Pro Shops two years ago. Took three months for it to come in.
.45 Colt cycles poorly, but with some fidgeting can get it to work. .454 rounds are perfect.
Kicks like a mule, but love the power!
Awesome! Congrats!
Love this channel & yes 454 casual is hard to get but all the Rossi look great
I was just looking at some ballistic info for the 444 Marlin and the muzzle velocity for the Hornady 265 gr. FTX is 2325 FPS compared to 2122 FPS in the ammo you tested. That’s pretty interesting and impressive!
The temptation is always to compare it to the .45-70, but the .45-70 was designed for 405 gr. and 500 gr. bullets. Neither of which would work through the 1892 action.
There is a better comparison...the .45-90. The .45-90 was designed as an "express cartridge" to offer higher velocity for (relatively) longer range hunting. It was designed to fire a 300 gr. bullet with 90 grains of blackpowder in the much larger and heavier Model 1886 rifle. The factory loads at the time produced 1300 fps. with the 300 gr. bullet. Modern powders can increase that to 1600 fps in original Model 1886 rifles with smokeless rated barrels (and higher in modern made 1886 reproductions)
So...long story short...what you have there is a .45-90, with modern loads, in a Model 1892 action. And that ain't bad!
I find recoil to be life affirming. 😜
Great commented as always! I will still probably make a video comparing it to the 45-70. Just to let folks know it's a great cartridge but not in the same league! And I couldn't agree more, because my life was affirmed quite a bit over the last couple of days😄
@@TargetSuite
I certainly do not dislike recoil! And I’m a 45/70 man anyhow.
@@TargetSuite The .45-70 is a better known commodity to compare to.
Overall, it is probably not a fair comparison, an old 1886 to a new 1892, because original Model 1892s couldn't handle the pressures of the .454 Casull, and modern 1886s (like the ones from Miroku) can outperform anything that fits through the 1892 action. There being no free lunch, it does this at the cost of rifle weight, gobs of powder and recoil.
But it is interesting that modern materials and propellents allow us to do things with much smaller "packages" than they could 100 years ago. And if the .45-90 was adequate for any game in North America back then...the .454 Casull could meet that standard now.
Iam shooting 500 gain in my 4590 at 1900 fps
@@wilmamcdermott3065 Which loading manual did you get that recipe from? What are the particulars? Powder charge, specific bullet and the OAL of the cartridge?
Which rifle are you firing that in?
I just picked up a brand new manufactured Rossi R92 in 454 yesterday. Currently have an R92 Trapper in 45 Colt, and was hoping the 454 would cycle my 45 stuff. Today, I ran several of my 45 C handloads through the 454, all the way from 250 gr. cowboy style cast, to 275 gr cast with a LFN ogive, to 280 gr. WFN hard cast with a huge flat meplat at 1700 fps. ALL fed and functioned perfectly...I'm happy. Edit...interestingly, my model does not have the loading port in the mag tube. It's a conventional system as found on my 45 Colt model with no threaded in end cap.
Thanks George, had fun watching.
Thank you. I certainly had fun making that video.
Got one & love it.
One of the most underrated medium - big game hunting rifle / cartridge packages around!
Hand loading 250gr hard cast lead rnfp into the 45 colt will function flawlessly.
Hammers everything it hits.
I did a diy action slick up job & works just fine .
To be honest I have found full power loads completely not necessary & just put unnecessary recoil on the rifle it’s self. 250 - 300 gr hard cast @ 44 magnum pressure levels are more then adequate . Nothing stop’s those hard cast & the .452 diameter bullets definitely do the job .
I think I'm with you. If I had one of these for myself I would rarely shoot high energy rounds. That 300 grain hardcast from Buffalo Bore will work Magic on any animal I would ever see . . . times two😉 But a lighter load will do the trick on our Southern deer and Hogs for sure. Thanks for watching!
@@TargetSuite mate I have found no jacketed 300gr bullets hold together . They still kill amazingly, but the bullets technically fail. I bought 400 of those xtp's & they work like varmint bullets. Once I shoot off those xtp's I'll just use hard cast. I've down loaded with 11grs of trailboss & 250gr hard cast
rnfp , for 1100 fps And you will not
recover them. They just truck on through everything & whack the trees in the background. 2 x 45 cal holes through & through & pump fat squirts of blood. That load is barely subsonic & basically no recoil.
I think those same 250gr , 270 or even 300gr hard cast at 1550 -
1650 fps will work fantastic with mild recoil.
I'm so confident in there ability that I'll do a top end water buffalo, donkey & pig hunt & only take the Rossi 454 & hard cast. Awesome video mate & I subbed btw.
@@TargetSuite I remember my dad telling me back in the 70s to always use the heaviest bullets you can find for whatever caliber you are hunting with. Those old timers knew what they were doing... I never got the chance to ask him, but I bet that was advice passed down generations.
A great looking gun. Been thinking for a long time now and a model 92 is about all I need as a house gun. Here's hoping I get lucky next year and can find a Rossi like this. Good power at short range with .45 Colt and can switch to the high power stuff if needed for longer ranges(Elmer Keith said a good reason for all the power of .41 and .44 was for use by police at a roadblock - one well placed hit in the engine and a car wasn't going far).
Thanks for your comment Wesley. The 45 Colt or the 454 Casull have more than enough power for "work around the home".
Great day on the porch with some coffee and a little rain. Fantastic content and an awesome round. I am smiling by the way!
That's awesome. We may be brothers from another mother😉
Could be. I hope you have a wonderful day!
I recall years ago reading an article on a couple Ruger # 3s chambered in the 454. If I recall correctly one was a wildcat round where the .454 was necked down to .22 cal. I found them very interesting.
God bless Larry for making this possible!
Ayyyymen!
Brings to mind some advice I got when I first started shooting. "Just because you can doesn't mean you should." That said, a 300 gr. .44 mag at can make for venison in the pot.
Haha! There is real truth in that!
Very nice job, sir. I'm looking to pick up one of those soon.
I have an older version of this 454 from Rossi and 2 freedom Arms model 82 single actions. They are all very potent and the Rossi has a significant capacity. The 454 has similar ballistics to the 45-70 but with a lower volume in the case.
I'm so glad you did this, George. It would be interesting to compare the Buffalo Bore's offerings in .45 Colt and .454 Casull. If only Rossi made a run of these today but with a Limbsaver pad instead. Then again, I think I'd rather go with the heavier offering from BHA's Model 90A if money were no object. But money is an object, so I think I'll stick with my wimpy .45 Colt with those insane (but safe) loads from Buffalo Bore. But if Rossi were to make another batch... :)))
That's a great idea Tom! I just ordered two boxes. I've got to stop this bleeding of green😄😄
I don't know about Rossi from before the early 90's. I had a 62a with a octagon barrel and it was cool as all get out. My buddy owns that one now. I bought a 16 inch 357 92 right after you got yours. I love racing my buddies at the speed games with that against their mall ninja versions of ar's and ak's. I can smoke them by 19-20 seconds and still hit a clay pigeon at 100 yds. (If it is holding still). The sights are tough for me to get the little chunks, as the .38 loads are starting to wounder a bit at that distance, and my eyes are not 30 years old anymore.
That's awesome! I'd love to watch you smoke your buddies with their fancy Mall ninja guns!
@@TargetSuite After the shock factor is gone. The butt hurt starts.
I liked the video. Thank you for making. It appears Rossi have improved their quality.
I just picked up a R 92 this weekend in .44 mag 20” barrel and blue finish I have very few rounds through it less than 20 due to bad weather. With 240 gr bullets it is a little snappy but that is to be expected in a light rifle with a steel butt plate. The Rossi really impressed me with fit and action smoothness I went with Rossi for two reasons weight and price it was hands down lighter and cheaper than the competitors I have seen a lot of older videos of poor quality of fit and function but most 2 year old and newer said quality was better. The only thing I found of poor quality was the safety which is tiny and loosely fit and can hang up on bolt in both directions. I got this rifle as a light alternative to my bold rifles and will deal with recoil to carry less weight.
Shawn
Thanks for your comment Shawn!
I think the recoil of those pistol calibers is somewhat deceptive, because my little 5 pound Rossi 92 and 44 magnum with a 300 grain bullet is very brutal, even compared to that sharp sweater 530 grain bullet at 2140 feet a second which produces 78 foot pounds. It has a lot sharper recoil pulse
You are right on about the duration of the recoil. These light guns are Snappy to say the least. And that is what makes it uncomfortable. By the way I sure have enjoyed your content on that Sharps. But seeing you get pushed around makes me want to come join the fight😄
Maybe some collaboration?
You are correct about that shot a 44mag in a lever gun it kicked much more than I was expecting.
@@awats72752 We have a Marlin & a Henry single shot in .44 Mag.
The recoil isn't bad at all.
I shoot 180 grain 44 mag out of a 4lb .410 single shot shotgun,, and the recoil is softer than a .410 slug round. The .444 Marlins, on the other hand, would like to crack shoulder bones.
Great video, I enjoyed the exploding water jugs. I own 2 r92’s one SS 38/357 & a blued 45 colt. I’m not too fond of the semi buckhorn sights but they are a pleasure to shoot. Thanks for sharing Target Suite.
Thanks! I appreciate you watching my vids! You got some great guns there by the way!
I enjoyed the video. I have a stainless Rossi 92 chambered in 454 Casull. Everyone here in Indiana wanted the .45 Colt version even though the Casull will chamber and shoot that caliber. The only difference between the one I have and the one in the video is the sights.....mine are tru-glow (or something like it). I purchased mine over a decade ago and there was a lot of Internet hand-wringing over pressure concerns back then. I have seen any actual photographic evidence the Rossi 92 454 Casull has ever kaboomed!
I finally had a range day here on my farm with my new Rossi R92, .454 Casull. Out of the box, it was dead on for deflection, but low at 50 yards. After correction for elevation, it put 3 in the black off a rest. Loading, feeding, and ejection were flawless. The 454 Casull in the light R92, makes the shotgun style butt necessary. I was shooting my hand load of 240 gr Hornady and Vv N105, brass is Starline nickel plated. This combination is not for the recoil sensitive shooter, as it has a very snappy recoil. I shoot a lot of 45-70 and can honestly say this combination is darn near the same.
You are right about it being Snappy! I need to get my new one out and show it off to the channel. What a gun!
454 casul is an intriguing cartridge for the lever rifles. Plenty of power with extra accuracy from the platform.
Yes sir. Well said!
Thanks for sharing George. I've often wondered about the Casull in a 92. I'll stick with the 44 and 357 versions.
Those two cartridges definitely have more mainstream appeal. Thanks for watching and thank you for your comment!
Impressive power in a trim little rifle. The finish looks beautiful.
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Have been looking one those things myself , thanks for the review.
You are welcome. Thank you for watching!
Hi George, that is one hard hitting thumper. And in more than one way! Hope you iced your shoulder down after shooting that. Ammo for that thing is crazy,and I thought my 357 mag ammo was high. The 454 sure makes short work of targets of opportunity.
Yes it is pretty hard-hitting. But it's not as bad as that Marlin trapper with plus P grizzly loads. That one was brutal.
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So based on those recoil numbers, the 240gr handloads are about dead even with a relatively lightweight or hotter loaded 30-06.
The Buffalo Bore 325s are about dead even with a 7mm rem mag. Or factory loaded (anemic) 300gr sp 45-70 in a marlin 1895.
All in all, very very impressive. I couldn't find one of these to save my life back when I bought my 16" rossi 44 mag carbine. I love that little 44 mag though. Not complaining a bit.
It is quite impressive out of the carbon link barrel for sure. Thanks for your comment and thank you for watching!
Another awesome video George and very nice rifle to. I have the Rossi in 38/357 and its a good shooter to. Thanks Slim.
Thank you sir. I always appreciate your comments!
Well that was kind of a boneheaded move lol. And having the humility to stand there and admit to that mistake in a world of TH-cam expert who can never be wrong was a refreshing change. Thank you for your honesty. It is much appreciated.
👍👍 Thanks for watching!
Seeing the speed with which that light rifle backed into your shoulder emphasized the notion that .454 Casull is not unlike .45-70. Worst recoil bruise I ever got was from a full size 1886 with a notably curved ‘rifle’ style steel butt plate. Hope that the pad on that much lighter Rossi .454 protected your shoulder from the Rossi’s obvious hard quick punch.
You really described it well it is a hard and quick punch. I have that 1886 with the curved steel butt plate. Standing up it's okay to shoot even with +P ammo. But shooting it from the bench . . . UGGGHHH!
People that have never messed around with, hunted with lever guns, do not know what they are missing. I have 22LR, 357mag, 44mag, and 30-30 lever guns. Never had a 454, but open to new experiences for sure. I find myself using the 44mag the most. I harvest hogs from the ranch for the deep freeze regularly. That 44mag does what it is supposed to do, no drama, bang flop.
Don't tell anyone, but the 44 mag is my favorite as well.
Watching you shoot that rifle made me wince . I've been shooting a 30-06 for 50 years and that Rossi looks like it recoils more than my model 94.375 Winchster or my 45-70 Marlin .
With the Buffalo Bore ammo it does kick like a mule! Thanks for watching!
I had a 44 magnum Rossi case color hardened receiver twenty four inch octagon barrel great gun no problems at all
I've owned two Rossi's ,and that was enough for me. Admittendly, they came from the firm before the current owners (Taurus?)bought it. But both were junk, and it soured me on all Rossi's. But the .454 in and of itself really isn't as scary as it's portrayed out to be. Frankly, it hinges on the design of the gun, and your body proportions, as well as your shooting posture. My .454 Taurus Raging Bull is a handful, but not really at all punishing. My Ruger Super Blackhawk, (Bisley) is great fun for .45 Colt, but not fun at all with .454 Casul. The trigger guard will peel the skin off your first knuckles. You have to wear shooting gloves!
But if I could suggest a simple improvement for this new Rossi lever action, it would be to add a larger trigger loop. The one as shipped is way too small for gloved hand, especially in cold weather.
The current owner and manufacturer of all Rossi (and Taurus) guns is CBC. They're this large international company that also owns Magtech and S&B. From what I've heard, the quality control of Rossi has become significantly better since CBC makes them (since 2015/16).
I never owned a pre-CBC Rossi, but I own a .357 mag R92 manufactured by CBC and it is absolutely fine for its price. It shoots really well, the trigger is good and it functions nicely. Of course it's not as luxurious as a Winchester or Marlin, but it was half the price, so that's absolutely okay. My only complaint would be the loading gate which is extremely stiff, so it's not fun to load. I'll have to do something about it at some point.
What was wrong with them?
How much can go wrong, guys ?. Rossi would need to try hard to make this poorly after all these years, the ones I have seen are not junk, you keep em. It's not a Winchester, maybe.
my one year old .44 mag stainless is great! I compared it to my brothers .38/40 go Winchester 92 and its really decent except for the Brazilian hardwood stock. it cycles smooth and it's tight.i expected to have to take it apart and smooth the parts like I have heard others do but it seemed pretty good from the start. I'm happy as heck I got it!@@dwayneelizondomountaindewh1465
I've been seeking one of these for a while too. Hard to find and even harder at a reasonable price. This was a great demonstration on recoil. It cleared up a lot. It basically comes down to the obvious Newtonian 3rd law. But why would anyone buy a 454 and not expect to feel recoil? That would be like buying a Bugatti and expecting good gas mileage.
You are right. Looking for a Super Magnum in a Superlight gun and not expecting Snappy recoil is unrealistic.
Recoils not bad in my big smith 460 , which handles 454 and 45 long colt , now I been reloading all calibers for close yards 50 years an know that ya get better powder burn in rifle, just want to say thanks to y’all for sharing your information
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Hey if you happen to see this, I never saw these responses, I would love to see a sequential firing in this rifle of standard 45 colt vs ruger only vs 454 with the same grain bullet. Love to see both recoil and impact in slow motion. I'm still on the hunt for a reasonably priced 454 Rossi but sure not common.
I have a pre rossi, Puma in 454 and I love it, seems very well made
Good revue and I also have a Rossi 92 in .38/.357 for plinking at the club and being a pistol caliber it is acceptable for the indoor range. The beast in this video is a nice rifle and I would love to try one out but it is not in the cards for me to purchase.
I have also found the 45-70 guide guns people at the club purchase definitely have the fear factor but the owners feel the pain and a short range visit.
The 454 Casull is a monster. I have one and it performs amazingly well with what ammo I can find-which is extremely limited. Great round but unfortunately very expensive. And in pistol form, a Hand Cannon. Be prepared. Personally, I think this cartridge would do great in a 24" barrel.
Thanks craig. I don't have any plans to buy a 454 Casull revolver for just the reason you mentioned. My cost per round shot over the life of that revolver would be extreme to say the least😄
@@TargetSuite You are welcome.
@@TargetSuite ammo cost is ammo cost I’m confused on what you shoot it out of. Same price.
Very thin barrell
@@yeetyeet8365 He’s saying he wouldn’t shoot the revolver very much because it would be unpleasant, so the cost of the *gun* divided by number of rounds fired would be high, thus hard to justify the purchase.
These are going for $1,800 - $2,000 on gunbroker... INSANITY !
however... There's a few 20" barreled versions & 16.5" barreled versions in 44 magnum, that are much more affordable, but only about 70% as cool. Talk about a perfect heavily wooded brush rifle.
Sub 7lbs loaded
~ 36" total length (16.5") ~ 39.5" (20")
And will throw big bullets with ballistics far out performing ballistics on the box (in 44 mag). The 454 Casull will just compound that performance. 2000fps + with a 240gr+ bullet will be devastating in the woods on anything
These are about 1lb - 1.5lb lighter than my much beloved Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70.
That is insanity. And I blame our current system where certain "Elites" get their hands on these guns early and then resell them at a huge markup. Leaves us "Regular Folk" out in the cold.
@@TargetSuite You're right. And the same can be said for ammo as well. Finding just standard caliber hunting ammo on the shelves in local gun shops or even retail stores locally is extremely hard, yet you can find ALMOST find the classic hunting ammo in case lots from certain online resale "jobber" companies. Manufacturers need to re-think their marketing policies in the interest of the end users. Just my humble opinion.
Part of the cost of ammo (and the so-called component shortages) is the massive shipping of armaments and ammo to Ukraine. I can tell you right now, the mainstream media has lied to us about everything else, and they sure as poop aren't going to start telling anything resembling truth about Ukraine or shipping of weapons and ammo to Ukraine. When real actual domestic terrorist groups in the USA are getting AR's and ammo, guarding drag queen shows for children, and the common citizen has to spend almost $3 a pop for something like .300 Win Mag hunting ammo, I don't give a flying rip what most gun publications, gun channels, or gun people want to claim about our 24/7 ammo production and it supposedly going to "horders" and all that hogwash. I'm no fan of Putin, but Putin is dismantling globalism, the international political criminal syndicate. One of their biggest and most corrupt features was the Ukrainian seat. Basically everything our domestic fascist goons are doing is taking our manufacturing, our products, our blood, sweat, and labor and sending it all free of charge to our enemies. When will the average firearms owner in the USA start realizing this? The ammo manufacturers can claim they are trying to meet demand, all they want. The cabal has been pressuring all major manufacturers to "speak a narrative" or else. It's called fascism. If the ammo is military demand, it's anyone's guess where it's going after that.
I have wanted on for some time now also. The gun you tested is a nice looking gun.
You are right, it's a nice looking gun. It has me wanting one of my own.
Great rifles! I have the 357 mag, 44 mag 4440 ,454 and the least know of them the 480!. Great video!!
Would you shoot it with out the recoil pad. 🤷♂️😁👍
Once . . . for the right price😉
I dunno, I've liked Rossi /Taurus since the Judge (I have a *good* one:), and a 92 in 357 which pretty much solves my truck rifle issues, I live on a ranch:) OTOH, I have a couple of 12 gauge's (pump, and semi-auto) that will throw down a lot more power than your 454 for a helluva lot less money, more versatile too i.e. birds, up to grizzlies....Seeing as you can buy 12 gauge slug shells for around 50 cents each, or a bit less, these days, I don't know exactly where the rossi casull is supposed to fit? Darned pretty gun though:) However, there's damned few things on the planet that a 400 to 500, hell even up to 690 grain slug out of scattergun, won't put to sleep in a damned hurry, of course you might be spending more 'quality' time with your local chiro:) (bout same recoil as a .375 H&H:) Oh, one last thing, with good sights, i'm good out to 125 yds or so, and if I'm careful, a ways beyond that. Excellent vid btw, liked and subscribed :)
No wise man is going to argue against the power and versatility of the 12 gauge shotgun. Not that I'm wise but I have lost that argument in the past already😄 Thanks for watching!
I was lucky enough to have a R92 44 mag follow me home a couple of weeks ago and from a bench it's not much fun with factory loads but with my 44 special loads it's quite fun.
Just picked up a brand new Rossi in 454 Casull. I absolutely Love it. Mine is different than the one you show. Mine does not have the screw in magazine tube it just has the standard loading tube from the Kings gate. I wonder when they changed them back from the design you show. Great video. I am loading Missouri Bullet company 300 grain hard cast RNFP.
I just bought one of the new Rossi 454s as well. I'm assuming between the build a couple of years ago and this one, they updated the design. And of course, they also eliminated the magazine loading feature.
I would love to see another video on your new 454 and the differences
Those Hornady 240g xtp mag are screamers coming outta my rossi, although I perfect 45 colt handloads, there is something about the 454 casull that demands respect 👍Great video
Thanks I appreciate your comment. Speaking of respect, reloading for the 454 Casull at its extreme pressures was just not very relaxing. If you know what I mean.
Hello George! Great video! Congratulations for the content. I really liked it! By the way, I am looking for this exactly rifle as I am willing to buy one, but it is hard to find. There are a few others available at GB but not in this specific model.
I bought a blued one when they first came out. Recoil was not the issue per se, what I found was that the rifle twisted violently in my grip and against my shoulder. I was disappointed that the rifle shot really low at short distances with my 45 Colt hand loads. I will incorporate your information as I move forward with this pretty little rifle.
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Love the lever gun. Hope the camera is water proof, boy did it sort out those water bottles , thanks again for another entertaining video. Paul.
Thank you sir and yes those cameras are waterproof. But if you've watched all of my stuff you know they are not impervious to shrapnel from a bowling pin😄
I own an R92 20" Stainless Steel chambered in .357Magnum and I love the thing. it is beautifully finished for the money.
I have a Marlin 44mag Ported 16" rifle that kicks pretty good with full house 240gr XTP's. I love shooting it in 44Spl though. It is lots of fun. BTW I LOVE that deer hide rug you have on the table!.
That sounds like a really sweet gun.
That thing flings shells right into the heavens, just like whatever gets hit with it!
Rossy has come a Long Way 👍 !
Look absolutely beautiful the finishing the wood by what I could see is excellent 👍 👍👍 ..!
Thanks for bringing this out did not know that they have this caliber on this Classic versatile Rifle . Love it 😘 !
You always put good info on this Classic all American design albeit this is is not American made but it does Honor the Traditional American Rifle !
Great comment! We honored the Belgium made Brownings for decades. I think there's room for some kudos to these great guns from (way) down south😉
@@TargetSuite Agree 👍💯 from the Land of Samba🇧🇷 Brazil, who would have known...😊
Another awesome video, thanks
If you can find some of the .452 diameter 395gr WFN gas check bullets that have been made from time to time, or source a die to cast them yourself, you can make a 454 Casull load that rivals or exceeds the power of the standard 45-70. Add in the fact that a given length magazine tube will hold a greater number of 454 rounds than 45-70 rounds, and with the Rossi 92, you will have what is perhaps the ultimate light-weight, big-bore lever action repeater.
The nice thing about the mag tube is the ease of unloading the rounds from the tube without having to cycle the rounds through the action one by one.
Yes. That's a big plus!
The other is that it loads faster
I also like the Rossi's. I have 2 of them both in 45 Colt. With a little work they can be made absolutely glassy smooth! I've tried to make my Marlins as smooth but it ain't possible.
This is actually the only Rossi firearm I own. I was adamantly against Rossi lever guns, but I was so intrigued by the 454 chamber that I had to get one. I have to say I have been thoroughly impressed by it. A bit of a disclaimer though. I sent mine out to a gunsmith to have the action tuned and the any kinks worked out before I ever even put a round through it. Its a dream of mine to have a Marlin 1894 chambered in 454. Come on Ruger make my dreams come true
@12:30 I did a jug test with 45LC Matts Bullets , full wad cutter , med hard lead , went into 4 jugs , blew up the first 2 pretty good . About 900 Ft/ sec ? from a 6.5" S&W . Powerful but very user friendly .
Interesting data, good video.
Thanks!
Liked for the brass trick after the last shot.
Great looking gun, beautifull cartridges, extreemly good presentation of you. Very beautifull range. I like your range and places where you can shoot without even seeing any other people- I mean natural places to shoot are the best... That is what I can only dream about. Here in Czech Republic we must always use public shooting ranges...(No one can shoot like that outside of public ranges) I would not shoot plastic bottles probably, since plastic pieces must be hard to collect probably..., I believe you are the kind of person who would not leave plastic in nature. Your viedos are joi to watch. Thank you for letting me to see your shooting.
Thank you so much for watching. I had no idea I had a viewer from the Czech republic. Welcome! And you are right about the plastic pieces. They do not get left behind. In fact I'm getting ready to head out and clean up from all the Carnage!
@@TargetSuite I knew, you would keep it clean, nature is beutifull as long as it ramains clean. I used to have Marlin 45-70, it was fun, I was reloading for it too. Thanks a lot for your videos. Best regards from Czech Republic.
As far as I know you can at least have true open-air ranges in CZ. Here in Germany, our "open-air" ranges must have so many safety-baffles on top that you can't even see the sky from most positions. And of course they must be walled in 360° with bullet stops many meters high, you might just as well be indoors.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 You are correct, we have some open ranges, but some of them were closed for various reasons.
Nice lever gun! My Henry 357 is fun to shoot! It has fired everything I tried. The manual said lever guns can be funny with different loads. I think it has to do with cartridge length. If you load your own 45 colt, try messing with overall length till your rifle likes it.
Great another channel to make me save up my spare change again lol great video 👍
Haha! Sorry😉
Hey George, just a gorgeous rifle. From what I see, the fit and finish is perfect. I do admire your courage lol. I have no interest in self inflicted pain lol.
Haha! I confess, I shoot stuff for the Channel that I would not otherwise shoot for my own personal Recreation😄😄
You can cut the recoil down 50 - 75% by having it ported with 2 trapizoid slots at the muzzle. Mag-na-Port Inc. does this work. Awesome to see at night using Blackpowder loads.
It’s the only Rossi I don’t have and it’s the one caliber I really been looking for. Even have the Rossi 45-70, which I believe they don’t make anymore. Have two short (16”) barrels in 45 Colt (SS & Blued) just need a 454 (for now 😜). God Bless Texas 🤙🏼❤️🇺🇸🤠
It's a great one for sure! If I find two I will let you know😉
@@TargetSuite thanks 😊
If you're still looking for one, my local gun store here in Georgetown Texas has them for just under 1000. Guns Plus. Give em a look on their website or give em a call. They're a bunch of good folks, very knowledgeable.
Awesome video bud thanks.