Controversial Thoughts: Linoleic acid makes you fat and dead faster!
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- Controversial Thoughts! Two studies which clearly demonstrate how linoleic acid is a nightmare for your fat cells and heart arteries. I don't think many watch these anymore, I guess I'll have to start doing Tik Toks to get people to pay attention.
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Lamb is always grass fed 'cause they don't eat grain. As that and goats are part of the mediterranean diet it could explain how that diet works.
The amount of linoleic acid difference in grain finished beef compared to 100% grass finished is negligible. The problem is soy oil. Things fried in it, or as an ingredient in almost all prepared foods.
I watch your TH-cam videos! Don’t stop doing them.
agreed
Thank you Dr. Saladino for bringing awareness to the study from China. Your presentation drives home two points:
1. Linoleic acid is one of the most pernicious things we consume, and we in the low carb community, while effectively doing a good job of inducing weight loss and reversing symptoms of metabolic dysfunction, are NOT attacking the root cause of our metabolic dysfunction
2. We, in the United States, are failing as a country when it comes to quality research. Why is China doing a better controlled and lengthier nutritional study than what we are doing here in the states!? Nearly all of our nutritional research is based on flawed epidemiology, animal studies, or short interventional trials that are not very well controlled. We have no right to brag about our so called #1 status in the world, when we are letting China beat us in scientific rigor.
Love your comment!
U.S. Big Food won't fund or even allow proper studies.
I would argue that we are addressing the root cause, without giving it the emphasis it deserves, the H in LCHF stands for Healthy Fats, that means removing all omega-6 "vegetable"/seeds oil, which are the primarily source of linoleic acid.
@@ninawildr4207 Thank you.
@@Gengh13 While I would agree that is what the "HF" SHOULD stand for in LCHF, the fact of the matter is many who advocate for the low carb lifestyle don't emphasize that eliminating linoleic acid laden oils as part of LCHF. They just emphasize low carb.
You're an absolute genius when it comes to communicating to the public Paul! Keep up the fantastic work!
I agree and love that you have brought this to attention however, I think more emphasis needs to be placed on it being adulterated linoleic acids. I do not think you can get fat from wild whole fish. Totally agree with the soy bean oils etc. Great video, thanks for helping people talk!!! The world needs to see this.
If you look at the hyperlipid blog, then yes, it seems that fish do exactly that.
I had severe Crohns (IBS, IBD) -- strict no seed oils was the "secret" for me. I can even have carbs again. Industrial seed oils is the silent scourge of our time. Much worse then COVID19. Definitely kills you faster, almost got me early. Team Butter and Beef tallow💪
I agree. Dr. Joseph Mercola has been writing about this for some time. Processed seed oils that contain high levels of linoleic acids are causing BIG problems, and these are rampant in junk food, processed foods and most restaurant foods. He recommends good quality coconut oil, butter and ghee, even some types of lard. Especially from grass fed animals. Grain fed animals are a big problem. The more natural, the better.
Same for my migraine.
Thanks Paul Don't stop this message It makes sense... And nobody's getting out there as good as you! 🙏
probably explains why i feel like crap whenever i eat chicken, which has a much higher poly fat total than red meats.
Possibly, but modern chicken is basically a hybridized, 6 week old, chlorine drenched, protein only food (no B vitamins, vital minerals and cofactors needed for metabolism)
How it is cooked can definitely make it worse as well (smoked, cooked in oil etc..)
@@splonkdesplonk true, i think the only benefit i derive from such a meal is when i bite into the bones and suck out the marrow.
@@anab0lic try grass fed. yes, more expensive, but the benefits are priceless.
my opinion is that we better eat half quantity of grass fed, instead of buying the cheaper versions.
@@splonkdesplonk I could not agree more. B vitas, minerals, cofactors, and the proper fatty acids are essential to the mitochondria and metabolism. We consume both micros and macros for optimal health so we must choose wisely
If you're active you shouldn't feel like crap eating chicken. Chicken is incredibly easy to digest and delicious.
I am experiencing good results from a carnivore/high fat/extremely low carb diet.
That’s not what he’s trying to explain..
You say carbs don't make us fat. But I cut PUFA's first, lost weight, then plateaued. Later cut the rest of the carbs and progress in fat loss resumed. I am sure that I am not alone. So many people loose fat when they cut carbs. Can't they both contribute? Isn't it misleading to make statements like "carbs don't make us fat"?
You have to watch your caloric intake. You probably eat less calories overall when you cut the carbs and thus lost more weight
@@xylongevity I agree overall cal intake is important in weight loss/gain; but, cutting carbs for me did not mean less total cals. In my case, carbs were replaced with more protein and saturated fats.
From what I've seen, carbs most likely don't make us fat if eaten in small to moderate amounts, however, eating carbs may prevent weight loss. So if you are over weight cutting carbs is probably a good idea, but if you are lean it might not matter as much. I do still think cutting carbs is better for health overall though.
Cutting out the vegetable oils and increase saturated fats can lead to better weight loss, though if you don’t use up the sugars converted from carbs, then reducing them in general would be a good thing as well. The fireinabottle blog would be a good read about ROS signalling affecting weight loss with references to diets that contains carbs via the brad’s croissant diet test.
Keep up the great work, Paul! I find, on average, that people are completely fine with asking "What does the data say" and being willing to "go with the data." But, as soon as you try to question precisely *why* the data is *good enough* to substantiate a certain conclusion, you lose people. This is perfectly mirrored in nutrition science, where most of what we hear is "the weight of the evidence" and, "the data shows" without hardly ever going beyond and asking, "Okay, but is this data good enough to show cause?"
Most of social media sounds strange to me these days
No true words were ever spoken!!!!
Paul we dont care how you share. I trust your research and its dissection more than any other! You and Ben Bickman are the go to guys. I am a listener and follower for life!
Yeah, people are tired of sitting at home watching stuff. So media creators are getting desperate for attention.
YESSS!! I was worried the podcast with Brad Marshall got lost or was forgotten. Really looking forward to it! Great stuff, Dr. Saladino. Thanks for what you're doing.
It's the oil people. :) Thank you for bringing this study and topic to us!
Yes, the obesity/heath dilemma is more complicated than "Carbs Bad, Fat Good." The big challenge is that soybean oil is the new gold, so we have our work cut out for us because the truth will cost big agriculture big money.
Ray Peat has taken a lot of slack over the years for saying controversial things (sugar isn't as bad as we think for instance, it has its place, etc.). But he's for sure been right all along about omega 6 vegetable oils. He was one of the few people saying this decades ago.
I wonder if we are confusing the issue- trying to be right at the cost of what works for the average person. I used to be diabetic and today 3 years non diabetic. I learned how to become a healthier person through keto and low carb in general. Along the way I learned about fats and to avoid seed oils and pufas. The message of don’t eat pufa isn’t easy to grasp for a person trying to change from type 2 diabetic to a healthy person. Low carb is easy to understand. Even if you are right or partially right my question would be- Why challenge the message that is working with something that hasn’t been proven? If the message was avoid pufa when I was looking to reverse my diabetes- I probably would still have diabetes. I wasn’t eating a lot of pufa as it was.
I agree, it's the age old issue where people understood the message " reduce pollution". But people started having issues when the Obama administration changed the message to " global warming". They might have the same message but one is harder for wider audience to grasp
It can be easy to understand if we said no vegetable oil but animal fats coconut oil and olive oil is ok. This is pretty easy to grasp.
As far as carbs is concerned sugar is by far the worse. The fructose component of sugar is far worse than glucose. Alot of low carbs teacher carbs are just sugar, but we should teach sugar is worse than starch. But both are not good for diabetics, that way people can make their own choice how far they want to go. If we make all carbs sound equally bad, they might say, "well I can't give up carbs, if Soft drinks and potatoes are the same, I might as well have the soft drink. But if they knew how bad sugar is, they might trade the soft drink for the potatoes.
ming sun thank you. I understand what you are saying and I would agree. My point is that when we muddy the waters and make the message complicated people are less likely to comply with something that sounds too complicated. No vegetable oil is already part of the low carb lifestyle. It’s one of the first things you learn.
@ming sun Coconut oil is not ok. It will jack up your ApoB which always equals earlier death.
I’ve been gaining weight since starting liposomal vitamins/supplements at the beginning of this year.
Come to find out the first ingredient in sunflower oil! Huge wake up call for me.
great you identified the cause
Minnesota study have confounding factor - trans-fat consumption. Study isn't controlled.
It is depressing because I have only lived my life during this Linoleic Acid fiasco -- ate margarine as a child and spreads up until 2015. I am overweight and cannot lose weight. My mother was the same (probably full of linoleic acid) at the end of her life needing a feeding tube for 6 months but never losing a single lb. My issue though is... how do I stop eating it... there is almost nothing it seems that doesn't contain it. Even carnivore as you point out it is in most meats.
Eat beef, lamb, goat, grass-fed butter (watch out, though, for the soft Kerrygold in a tub with canola oil). Don't eat in restaurants. Don't eat processed snack foods. If you eat eggs, buy backyard eggs from a neighbor. (I cook mine in a Dash egg cooker.)
Linoleic acid from processed vegetable and seed oils is highly oxidized and inflammatory due to the extraction process. Dietary linoleic acid in and of itself signals endocannabinoid receptors that promote hunger, similar to getting a very mild case of the munchies. The amount of linoleic acid is way higher in said processed oils than other fats. The small amount in animal fats is easily offset by the higher satiety brought on by the greater amount of saturated fat.
Stop eating meat except for wild caught fish and grass fed livers and wild hunted meats. That's the only way. This is why whole food vegetarians drop weight so fast, almost no processed LA and the fiber keeps them satiated. They will have to supplement more with creatine/carnosine/carnitine/d3/b12/zinc/copper/omega3 (but most people should be supplementing those anyway).
I would say it’s about balance. Firstly, the most obvious thing is to switch from margarine to butter and anything easy like that. Just do a switch look up alternatives for everything you can to find a replacement. You can usually cook the same meals or similar just using different ingredients and you can’t really tell the difference anyways, or it’ll taste better and be more nutritional
Taking a dose of omega-3’s, and some butter is a great way to get some protective benefits in your gut before you put anything knowingly less nutritional in there. Sometimes it’s about balance you can’t be perfect.
Thanks for this Paul, I am probably living proof of this theory and needed to hear it.
I was low carb keto for 2 years then carnivore for 2 years. Weight fluctuated in a 25lb range the whole time, over 4 years. Stayed with it because I felt so much better, despite my excess weight. I am still obese, technically (bmi). I don't eat chicken but consume a lot of pork because beef is so expensive. I gave up plant oils 4 years ago so they are not in play. Perhaps the carnivore diet needs some fine tuning, is something I had considered before.
pork is not ideal imo since pigs are often times fed with a lof of grains as well as seed oils, which essentially means you are getting linoleic acid indirectly by eating the meat.
@@beoptimal8650 true, but it is good macro ratio it’s hard to get enough fat if you can’t afford just eating rib eye. He’s still consuming a lot less linoleic acid than SAD
It’ll be interesting to see the results of Dave feldmans protein shake with butter vs protein shake with high quality olive oil study. Could illuminate some of the finer details you’re discussing. Perhaps he could even do fat trimmings instead of Kerrygold butter
I thought olive oil was more monosaturated?
Is butter bad too?
Joe Berrouard it is, we’ve been clearly shown now that pufas are the worst. Now we should try to tease out in a similar isocaloric way the effects of monounsaturated vs saturated
@@CashMoneyMoore lard is high in mono and pastured lard has a low linoleic acid content. nobody was fat a century ago when pastured lard was common.
Amazing work and I am promulgating daily. Love Heart n Soil products 👍👍
Please do a video on PCOS - is it an epigenetic condition caused by vegetable oils?
Paleomedicina names gut permeability as the mechanism of damage and dysfunction. Are PUFAS damaging the gut? Does stearic acid have an impact on the gut? Are brain and bone marrow, the essential PKD fats, high in stearic acid?
So many questions!
Hi Paul! I just have to challenge one conclusion: "Carbs don't make you fat". I'm not saying this is true or false but you can't draw that conclusion from a study that control the portion size. What if carbs makes you more hungry?
That doesn't mean they make you fat. This China study takes the impulse factor out.
@@frequentlycynical642 Carbs quite literally create hunger b/c of how they spike insulin. as insulin falls back down after a few hours, the cravings ensue and its a never ending cycle.
There are two different types of carbs..refined carbs turn into the bad fat when digested if the person doesn't do vigorous exercise to burn it off. Complex carbs are the better carbs which can give benefits. However I do think it shouldn't be eaten too much unless you are someone who exercise often.
@@frequentlycynical642 the China Study has been disproved
@@CaravelKiwi Yup.
I use safflower oil for its high linoleic acid content topically on my face to regrow & fill up fat cells & therefore restore volume lost due to aging
interesting
I'm wondering how long it takes for the body to rid itself of linoleic acid when you stop ingesting it.
Depends on energy expenditure and weight but 4 months to 2 years.
I love your enthusiasm, learning a lot from you, thank you
Please link these studies. We'd like to share with others as well.
But what are the sources of linoleic acid besides vegetable oils?
Seeds (including nuts, legumes, drupes, etc.), olive oil, avocado, most processed foods, most restaurant foods, conventional chicken, conventional pork, conventional turkey, conventional lard.
It’s going to be awesome when you interview peter from hyperlipid because I know you’ll get right into the biochemistry. I can’t wait, you have the best health stuff online.
But, doesn’t meat, dairy, and eggs contain Linoleic acid?
Grain feed vs grass feed
That’s the diffu
Thank you- appreciate the you tube videos and the life optimizing information that you are sharing.
Definitely not low enough carb to stop insulin activation in the Chinese study. Participants in all groups still had spiked insulin therefore fat storage. Meal frequency may have been another factor??? I'm sure the oils were a big factor but would have liked a real low carb group with infrequent meals. Would like to see a study comparing high carb vs clean Keto vs dirty keto-containing vegetable oils-restaurant/fast/processed food.
Spiking insulin doesn't cause fat storage.
Paul, love you! Keep up the great work!
Great video thank you! I don’t agree with 100% of the things you say in regards to eating dead animals, but I will for sure keep this in mind when I go to eat my vegan diet
Yes - get it out there!
I would be interested in your view of the tragic death of Chadwick Boseman (RIP) - we can't be sure... but he appeared to believe that a vegan diet was the best way to combat his colon cancer diagnosis....
Most people I know associate colon cancer with meat consumption.
Many thanks!
This being said... I do mostly carnivore. Is having an avocado a day going to really screw me up with weight loss ? I use them to ease my digestion.
By the way, Paul, I bought your book -- I will be reading it soon. I already read Shawn Baker's book -- which got me started.
Eat animal fat in place of the avocado. Every single gram of linoleic acid you can avoid will benefit you.
Keep on sharing Paul. Thank you.
I love that your last name has the word Salad. ❤
Super excited you’re having Brad Marshall on
Yeah, I think you made an important point people are overlooking. Carbs can be healthy IF (and only IF) you’re metabolically health, meaning you’re not insulin resistant. I know because I’ve tried an ultra low fat vegan diet while I was prediabetic and I was GAINING weight and inflammation (particularly in the belly/face), despite eating fruit, beans, and ZERO oils of any kind. I kept my fats and proteins way low and still had issues. This is where carnivore and/or Ketogenic is a useful tool!
I LOVE your Controversial Thoughts vids….love the sass and Love how you can make me laugh and learn all wrapped up in a nice video burrito!…plus new useful terms like unicorn farts….keep up the good work doc!
Fruit and honey are great staples when it comes to a low PUFA lifestyle aiming at body composition optimization, in my mind 👍🏻
Dr. Paul can you give your thoughts on GLA ?
Was the dietary protein amounts kept the same in all the studied groups? Was total calorie consumption less than maintenance body weight? In this study it would fair to say body weight went down with less linoleic acid more refined starch isocaloric.
Thanks Dr Saladino
Im trying to avoid seeds oil and gluten and all kind of wheat Carbs !!!!!
Wow, so great you'll be hosting episodes with Brad and Peter 👍🏻
You're solely talking the omega 6 linoleic acid, not the omega 3 a-linoleic acid, correct?
The omega-3 you're thinking of is called alpha *linolenic* acid.
I have been experimenting eating 2 tbspns of beef tallow before bedtime for 10 days now. The result has been rather interesting to say the least
Just curious - what results are you seeing?
Hey Dr S great video , question ....walnuts have alpha linoleic acid , what is the difference between Alpha and regular linoleic acid and does it metabolize in your body the same way ?
I think you mean _alpha-linolenic acid_ (ALA). This is an omega-3 FA (fatty acid) that's found in some plant seeds (such as flax and chia), whereas _linoleic acid_ (LA) is an omega-6 FA found much more commonly in plant seeds. Most of the common industrial seed oils (soybean, canola, cottonseed, sunflower, safflower, etc.) contain huge amounts of LA, with little if any ALA. Both are PUFAs (polyunsaturated FAs) and thus readily prone to oxidative damage from heat. Neither is a required nutrient (despite being declared "essential"!), since these FAs only serve as precursors within the human body for the synthesis of the FAs that humans *actually* need, which are _arachidonic acid_ (AA; LA -> AA), and _docosahexanoic acid_ (DHA; ALA -> EPA -> DHA). Since conversion from the plant PUFAs is inefficient and highly variable, it's best to get AA and DHA directly from animal foods, rather than rely on biosynthesis from the plant-based precursors. For example, biosynthesis of DHA from ALA has a conversion rate as low as 1%, meaning that you'd need to consume vastly more ALA than is healthy in order to have any hope that you'll be able to endogenously create enough DHA for proper brain health. It's just not practical. Conversion efficiency of LA to AA is probably similar, though I haven't looked it up. In general, the O6 PUFAs are pro-inflammatory, and the O3 PUFAs are anti-inflammatory. Ideally, you should get about equal amounts of both in your diet, and you need very little of either. Most of your dietary fat should be either saturated (SFAs) or monounsaturated (MUFAs).
I was born and raised in Decatur, Illinois, which used to style itself the Soy Capital of the World. (There is still a Soy Capital Bank, but otherwise the name is mostly ignored now.) Soybean oil extraction is still a major industry. Bad health radiating from my birthplace...
Another major product of Decatur, Illinois is high-fructose corn syrup. Decatur is arguably the Thomas Midgley Jr. of cities...
Not only is the problem soybean oil consumption in China, but how much did they decrease their carbs? If it’s *lower* but you still have a moderate to high mix of fats and carbs you’re going to run into the same problem if you’re metabolically unhealthy, and even more so if those fats are industrial seed oils.
Paul just because your biome does not tolerate plants does not mean an elimination diet is favourable for us robust healthy individuals.
People always take their experience as the general rule for all, that’s why there is so much confusion in nutrition!
I agree. These promotors of extreme diets, doesn't matter is it a vegan or carnivore, don't do any favor to humanity
FrankieZG not in general if you are very healthy already, but if your a standard American diet of junk it can be a good start to reset you pallet and body.
Of course this is titled controversial thoughts, so I know you will be expecting disagreement, so here it is. Living in China for the past 20 years now, I have noticed the weight gain and the different in availability of foods. And I have to disagree. According to my observation, oil has always been here, but sugary drinks along with bread has increased a lot. Some bread do have heavy oils, but Chinese don't consume them that much. It's gotta be the sugary drinks and breads. Those are the biggest differences I have noticed in the past 20 years.
Breads have always been eaten in China called man tou. But the sweet bread is more recent and more problamatic.
@@mrmingsun Right, I know. Like mantou, youtiao. But you are right, the sugar content and artificial ingredients really increased.
@Anden Ekadi yeah but things have changed now. In urban asian and north Africa people can afford a bit more.
@Anden Ekadi China's severe poverty in terms of lacking food was not 90 percent 40 years ago. If you define poverty as poor living conditions maybe, but meaning hunger it wasn't so.
@Anden Ekadi So, have you been there?
Paul, please post links (clickable links) to those two studies as well as a clickable link to your heartandsoil.com website. The resolution of the pages you posted is/are such that I can’t read them; can’t see the date of the study, etc.
You're a legend mate!
Great info! Can you talk about DHEA, thank you so much
Thank you for your research ‼️ 🤗
Thank you 🙏🏽 Paul!
I'm in love with this man. The brain man.
Do you ship organ supplements to the Mediterranean EU, or I should come there? 😍
Thank you!
Isn't an intermediate ratio of carbs and fats more obesogenic than either a low-carb or low-fat diet? Something to do with the Randall Cycle?
Dr.paul is my health guru
CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid) , as a supplement? could you do a video on the difference?
Just eat the food, why people always want to take supplements is beyond me.
Ah Paul. I wish you didn’t bring the Sydney Diet Heart study and the Minnesota one. They seem to be very weak and flaw studies doc. No doubt about the negative effect of the industrial seed oils on our health, from the evolutionary perspective. I was digging deep into the Sydney Diet Heart study and I have to raise this major concern and I hope that someone can have the answer for me. The study seem to allow margarine in the controlled group and there seem to be a possibility that the results were due to the trans fats:
It’s clear in the study that it mentioned:
“Although the precise composition of this margarine was not specified, it was selected for the study because of its ability to lower blood cholesterol and its high PUFA to SFA ratio,22 two characteristics of margarines that contain comparatively low amounts of trans fatty acids.63 Because dietary trans fatty acids are predominantly 18-carbon MUFA isomers,64 the recorded changes in MUFAs probably included small amounts of trans fatty acids in both groups.”
“Collectively, these observations indicate that changes in trans fatty acid were unlikely to play a substantial role in the findings reported here.
Nevertheless, the SDHS dataset does not contain sufficient information to rule out the possibility that changes in nutrients other than n-6 LA and SFAs could have contributed to, or reduced, the observed unfavorable effects of the LA intervention.”
Alan Flanagan - MSc in Nutritional Medicine, is currently pursuing his PhD commented about this:
“We have no data on whether participants consumed more of one or the other, but the increased mortality in the intervention group lends a clue. Hydrogenated fats added to oils to make commercial margarines at the time contained up to 25-40% of fatty acids as trans-fats. The margarine used in the study, Marrickville Margarine from the brand ‘Miracle’, was a safflower oil-based margarine produced for commercial use. And the intervention group substantially increased PUFA intake with the provided foods, likely consuming substantial amounts of trans-fats - which are unequivocally associated with significant increased risk for CVD. “
With the above, and with the 62% of mortality rate, it does sound to me to be the trans fats. I hope to learn from your answers 🙏❤️ thanks. Mokhles (primal_way_ on insta)
Dr.Paul,
Almost all your supplements are sold???
Waiting for a shipment to come in.
Does CLA fall into the linoleic acid warning? I thought it was good for you, and I eat a lot of lamb.
So, linoleic acid is bad, Omega 6. Is Alpha Linoleic also bad? So, walnuts are bad? I know you don't believe any nuts are good because of the fats is that right? I purchased walnuts before this diet and also after, but stopped eating them based on your thoughts. Should I throw them away?
Keep posting this info please !
I read liver and eggs are high in linoleic acid yet recommended. What's the difference?
What about the latest craze about sunflower oil- Dr Gundry and Thomas Delauer
In the first study you review, I could imagine that the group of people who ate more of the PUFAs lost a considerable amount of functional tissue mass and showed a less active behavior with lower energy expenditure. That would be in line with the notion of PUFAs as a hibernation signal.
Unrelated somewhat but it would be much appreciated if you could comment on glycation end products and whether you think they are a problem and whether supplement strategies like carnosine may be beneficial in their reduction ?
How did they *prepare* the soybean oil though. Did they heat it?
Yes. PUFAs will lower your blood serum cholesterol because cholesterol is depositing in your arteries (to reinfore the arteries, weaked by PUFAs so that the do not rupture)...
Good video.
age can degrade
metabolism - this is why carbs/sugar should be avoided or minimised as much as you can - im still young but I like to think long term
Paul, is this just specifically linoleic acid from polyunsaturated fats or all linoleic acids. Almonds for example are high in linoleic acid, but low in pufas. Where as peanuts are more split ratios. Is the issue oxidization of the fats? As I understand, pufas are much more easily oxidized than mufas.
I won't touch another seed oil again. They are nothing but trouble.
I’m starting to think that even wheat and gluten is fine in moderation. It’s the linoric acid causing gut problems. A healthy gut should be able to handle it. The fundamental problem is breaking the gut and fat. And linoric acids seem to be the key to the conundrum.
In study was changed carbs and polyunsaturated fats. So question that caused difference in weight loss? Carbs or polyunsaturated fats?
Paul, do you know if there is any effort underway (in any country) for adding PUFA info to nutrition labels?
I just avoid anything with a label lol
Because mainstream nutrition very mistakenly believes that PUFAs are somehow healthy, while saturated and tran-fats are demonized, the _Nutrition Facts_ panel found on processed foods will typically only break out the saturated and transfat numbers from total fat. The idea behind this labelling is to get people to avoid products containing large amounts of the healthy saturated fat, because they consider it unhealthy! Although you can calculate the total of MUFA+PUFA by subtracting the saturated and transfats from the total, there's currently no way to show the split between MUFA (monounsaturated fatty acids) and PUFA (polyunsaturated FAs). Although MUFAs are generally fairly benign, I'd be wary of any products containing large amounts of non-saturated fats, since most of it is probably PUFAs. I haven't heard of any initiatives to reform the Nutrition Facts labelling to provide more useful information.
Really appreciate your input! Was wondering what about raw nuts and seeds , some have very high omega6 , can they be a cause of not losing weight as well as higher fasting glucose ?
Omega6 in nuts and seeds aren't a problem bc they're typically buffered by vitamin E and magnesium and lignans and omega 3.
I used to cook with homemade lard until I found that coconut oil is much lower in
linoleic acid... 10% as against 1.8% I believe. In fact lard turned out to be slightly more expensive also. Pay about $3.50 per litre for coconut oil here.
Coconut oil is not a health food. Your total cholesterol will skyrocket.
$3.50 per liter where do you get that?
if that first study included saturated fats, it would have been incredibly valuable
Paul, what is up with interesterified plant fats? Are they harmless? Do they provide some benefit as a "saturated" fat?
Saved to group - Linoleic Acid Toxicity
Thanks
You are a genius. I love your attitude. It's contagious. I'm 12 days in, doing tier 1 until I can quit coffee, and I've already experienced profound changes in mood, energy, attitude, motivation, barely hungry, lost bloating, and I've I've been stuck 253-267 on keto for over a year, and today I weigh 248.2.
Great job! Are you eating only meat or do you also include organ meats, seafood etc..?
@@splonkdesplonk So far I've been doing ground beef 73%, and nothing else.
I have OCD, so is very hard to try new things. I have to really motivate and visualize to start new routines. So the perfect carnivore diet won't emerge for a few months. I have overwhelming life stress (manage large security team in downtown Seattle), a new baby, and so i was already doing keto (basically i was eating ground beef with broccoli, cabbage, carrots, red pepper, green onion) and so i just took out everything but the beef. Now i have to quit coffee. I was doing fat coffee with almond butter, coconut oil, cinnamon, stevia, ghee, etc. (I love my fatty coffees) So i took out everything but ther ghee and stevia. I'll eventually get to black then I'll quit cold turkey. Im mostly addicted to the routines. I don't have caffeine withdrawals.
I feel great eliminating everything. I have Uveitis, anuto immune condition making ne lose sight and I really wanna do pure Carnivora to see if it helps my disease so i don't go blind...
I have a theory the nuts i ate on keto caused the f look are ups....posterior uveitis... Google it, leading cause of blindness. I'm 40 and perfectly healthy except 40 pounds overweight and the eye thing.
@@user-xd1xf9rp5p high fat ground beef is a great way to start Carnivore. If you are already seeing weight loss, clearly you are burning your own body fat (your Insulin is clearly dropping) ✓
As your Insulin drops, it might be worth keeping tabs on your Blood Pressure (it normally drops to a more natural baseline level over the first month or two in most low or zero glucose interventions (especially with no dietary glucose coming in as it ALWAYS causes water retention, which elevates blood pressure by increasing blood volume, something the MD's never explain but I figured it out when mine dropped as my weight came off on keto and carnivore combined, my BP dropped to 115/75 after being 140/90 most of my adult life, huge drop in CVD and stroke risk 😊)
This should provide you an improvement in your overall health, including eye and kidney health in particular. Blood pressure management is HUGE
Personally, I take my morning resting pulse, blood pressure and HRV at least once a week (at home)
Given your high stress levels, I would recommend you consider doing these three measurements, once or twice a week, upon waking to get a consistent baseline reading with much less error (I use a free app, Elite HRV for heart rate AND Heart Rate Variability [HRV] as it indicates the electrical sensitivity of your heart which is a good indicator of your overall body stress levels).
Blood pressure monitors are better used at home anyway as you can maintain a consistent baseline by just doing it at home, before getting up or travelling to a doctor's office (completely f&#ks up the results)
The coffee thing sure is interesting. It is more common thesedays than say 100 - 200 years ago, perhaps due to a faster pace of life (and coffee does speed up hormone production) but with declining gut health in the 21st century, coffee may be a recent adaption to helping detox the gut and the liver, to help cope with an increased overall dietary toxic burden and bacterial overload in the gut. Coffee and other compounds in all beans, act as a natural insecticide, anti fungal, anti parasite, anti bacterial etc.. and we may be drinking it more as we have some nasty bacterial activity going on in the gut. Stress levels definitely have an impact in the gut too so there may be a link here (just a hunch of mine, definitely not a proven fact)
Either way, black coffee, a few cups a day seems to be ok. But the high fat version, as we both know, is just an addictive tonic, prone to increasung gut trauma and it was NEVER a good idea (I genuinely believe it is one reason why my gut is still inflammed as I drank a lot of high fat coffee starting keto myself and still find it hard to not have one or two pretty much every day..it is DEFINITELY an addiction issue for sure. Liquid fat is not supposed to gush down our throats, stressing the receptors in the duodenum (designed to sense solid food, not hot liquids). So this invention was always doomed to cause more harm than good (and make Dave Asprey of Bulletproof coffee fame a boatload of $$, he lives in Seattle too I think)
Our ancestors found all kinds of remedies, mostly from plant extracts or fermented drinks of one kind or another, to deal with everyday life.. Some of it was for stress, some for escape so it may not be as bad as all the junk we used to eat (the stuff that made us put on weight I mean)
Anyway, good luck with it all. Manage that stress, consider adding more foods in over time (I recommend beef liver and heart, one or two weekly serves with your ground beef, you won't regret it, trust me) and just do your best (perfection just creates stress, as we both know)
@@splonkdesplonk thank you! Luckily my BP has always been good (i used to be a Boise State football player, and personal trainer, but then i stopped working out for 15 years. ) now im 40, and have a new daughter and i want to be my best self. 😀 i plan to create a liver and beef meatloaf so i can freeze and have easy organ meat consumption. I want to try heart and bone marrow 🥰😋
Andre you are doing great!!!
I’m confused, so I stopped eating oil long ago because of the fact that they all oxidize quickly, it’s also made me vomit every morning for a long time. What about chicken stock, chicken grease made via boiling the left over bones? Not store bought… is there a better way to get collagen and a recommended amount for someone with oscillation on the bones of their hips knees and ankles inside and outside the bones?
Is Linoleic acid in ground up flaxseed bad for you like the vegetable oils??
Can you share the studies?
Along with Peter from Hyperlipid and Brad Marshall, Ray Peat has also dedicated himself to researching PUFAs 👍🏻
Dear Paul, I found a source for grass fed / fin beef and lamb and one of the comments regarded CLA's as a good source of fats. So, the confusion for me is whether or not to eat meat that has that kind of fat. As a newbie to this organ meat and meats for living concept, what might be your thoughts. Thanks
Should I avoid palm oil?
Very interesting
Question, do you place a lot of value in the BMI metric?
Considering it is so simplistic and ignores all sorts of personal nuance I would have thought bmi was pretty worthless...
Good stuff pauly
Please post the DOIs to the references you’ve used. Thanks
A 'grass fed' tallow from Tasmania Australia advertises much higher CLA than rival grain fed tallow.
Is this CLA level relevant?
Tassie Tallow? I ordered a 4L tub of beef dripping yesterday but high CLA content did make me pause for a moment
@@thestuff4321 same here!! Just googled...CLA comes from animal products so prob fine. Hopefully Dr Paul clarifies
I think CLA is actually good !
@@timh-c7186 They specify that it is 100% grass fed beef,no hormones,no antibiotics etc so we can't go wrong surely
Don’t confuse Linoleic acid with conjugated linoleic acid. Two different thinga