@@nefariousmex2352if he was born after the retro era of gaming or if he grew up after the retro era of gaming then he missed out on those days because he didn't get to experience being a retro gamer or he isn't (wasn't) a retro gamer
Essentially PS5 and Series X are the same but then Switch is way different and PC is more powerful than all 3 yet has way better indie games that don't utilize much power at all. Personally, for over a decade now I keep hoping to see Sega release something crazy and awesome.
Doom on Snes is a really interesting thing. It is a great tech demo and back in the day you would play it because you had no other choice. Now, there are better options.
DOOM and SFA2 were both titles you just wouldn't expect to show up in the 16-bit generation. We already had great games but being able to play a three dimensional game in that red cartridge, where you could hear monsters from all around you was unique. Those who had access to computers and DOOM tend to look down on this version, while the SNES was a much cheaper way to experience a very decent version of the game you'd have to pay much more to try otherwise. Specially those who had late 80's PCs with a 386 CPU or even a slower chip, could barely play the original game as decently as the SNES cartridge provides. We tend to forget that even as late as 1996, games such as the original Tomb Raider ran in software mode at 12 to 15 acceptable frames per second. This wasn't the end of the world. Now that we're spoiled, we just forget.
@@roberto1519 Indeed, a lot of people ran Doom in PCs with 386sx or 386dx, and the fact is that with these machines the game runs slow, maybe more than the SNES version. The port for SNES is a decent one, because it had good controls with the six-button pad (with shoulder buttons), the sound and music of Doom was superb in SNES (the PC version ran with audio cards via MIDI, and the tracks in SNES vs PC was only better when you use some soundcard with wavetable support, a luxury in that time). The graphics are worse but, when you look to the experience of the vast majority of people (386 machines), they played that game with reduced screen and "low resolution" option (yes, more pixelated that the "native" engine with 320x200). I remark that the best option for playing Doom in the 90´s was the PC, included some lowspec PCs, but the SNES port was a very good one when you look how restrained was that platform for Doom (low capacity of cartridges, very low cpu performance and graphics based in sprites engine, not a hell of framebuffer, that complicate so much that port, and the inclusion of superFX is mandatory for reaching that port, but only as a solution for the low performance of 16 bits with cpu).
I remember getting Pitfighter and Home Alone for Christmas one year and both were terrible, when my parents asked if I liked them, I didn’t want to sound ungrateful so I lied to them and told them I liked them, I got Home Aline 2 the following Christmas 🤣
lol Thanks for the laugh. As the saying goes “Honesty is the best policy”. When I got my NES it came with Baseball Stars and X-men. Baseball Stars is a good game. X-men not so much.
My folks was supposed to buy us the game that we really wanted on the (NES) we wanted Ninja Gaiden but couldn't find it anywhere. My dad said we are buying Joust because it was $10 cheaper than every game and it has great box art. Was disappointed but we still played the heck out of Joust.
I rented Pit Fighter and got angry because it was the latest in the series of mediocre or bad rentals I was let down by. I refused to let the game beat me, so to speak, so I spent my entire weekend grinding through the game. I actually beat it, though my brain was fried by the end.
Randy Linden pretty much took porting doom to the Snes as a challenge. Same way he too to getting an accurate port of Dragon's lair to the Amiga on 6 floppy disks or getting PlayStation emulation working on the Dreamcast with Bleem!.
I didn't find SNES Doom to be as bad as people say when I checked it out. What breaks it for me with Doom on SNES is no save at all, not even a password system, or specific level select. I'd rather play SNES Doom over 3DO and Saturn Doom tbh if I had too.
Couldn't agree more. Ironically, what I also dislike on SNES Doom is the fact that the levels are actually more faithful to the original PC game. And I admit, when changes are to be found, I prefer the Jaguar versions. Which were the ones used for the other console versions. 32x, Playstation, Game Boy Advance, and those infamous ones that you mentioned.
@strobava fwiffo The story behind the 3DO version of Doom is actually pretty interesting. Some dude who could talk a big game but actually knew nothing about game development bought the rights to make the 3DO port, then went and bragged to some game magazines about how it was going to be the best version, with new weapons and levels, and it'd be done in time for Christmas (a few months away). Eventually he hired a single programmer, and she was actually very capable, but she only got like 3 months to port it, and wasn't even given the source code of the original. It's a minor miracle the game works at all. It's a shame, as the console probably could've handled a decent version of Doom if the programmer had been given the appropriate amount of time and resources.
You didn’t need a strong computer to run doom. We had a 486 in 1995 (grossly outdated for the time)that ran it well enough All due to some id Tech wizardry.
I loved Snes doom. The framerate got tolerable after an hour or so and after hat it was a great game. Just a shame you couln't save or at least choose a campaign.
Episodes are selectable once the game starts, you pause, select New Game, the difficulty and the episode, if Hurt Me Plenty or Nightmare are selected, Inferno becomes available, otherwise you can only select the first and The Shores of Hell.
@@roberto1519 dang i thought only the difficulty was selectable, but now that you mention it, maybe there were three options that decided where'd you start?
@@barryschalkwijk9388 It's a bit confusing, since there's no true start screen, once you boot the game up and press start it will take you into the game, only after that, by pausing the game you can select the episodes and a few other options. They should have designed it like a normal game. X-Men 2 - Clone Wars on the Mega Drive is yet another game where you're taken directly into the action.
Eh, I feel like you’re being a bit harsh on SNES Doom, while it’s definitely compromised it was the only way to play Doom without shelling out cash for new expensive consoles, add-ons, or PC hardware. If you didn’t have anything to compare it too, it’s definitely still playable.
Just like how Batman Forever uses the same engine and controls as Mortal Kombat, which just goes to show, you should never use a fighting game as a basis for any platformer!
Frankly, we Europeans got the actual Ranma 1/2 game instead of the Street Combat reskin, and the gameplay didn't feel any better; it was still the same slow, unbalanced fighting game with poor hit detection that was a drag to play through, only with prettier graphics.
@@KittyMeow1984 In America we did get the SECOND Ranma ½ fighting game, but didn't get the third one (even in reskinned form). The second game was an improvement and the third was even better. None of them were better than Street Fighter II or anything, though.
It's amazing they ported Doom to the SNES. The programmer used a lot of creative techniques. One of them was using a table of formulas and return values instead of making repeated, complex calculations on-the-fly. That being said, it's not very fun to play. I remember buying it and feeling very underwhelmed by the small screen and muffled sound. The funny thing is I remember enjoying the 32x version and that game was universally hated
Just turn the sound off and the 32X version is okay. Of course, with the recent hacked revision, there's no reason to put up with the original 32X port for anything other than a laugh and some nostalgia.
Keep in mind that DOOM had higher requirements than Crysis at their release date. Most people experienced DOOM on PC with really low FPS and in very small window when game launched. It took 1995, 1996 PCs to run DOOM locked to max FPS all the time. DOOM on SNES runs similarly to what you could expect from average 386 PC which was a mainstream hardware for 1993. However you would get all the game mechanics and fully textured floors and ceilings, but still 10-15 FPS in a bit reduced window. Anyway I would be happy with such port back then. I was playing DOOM on my 386SX machine and it wasn't great either, but I still enjoyed it.
Mario is Missing was my disappointing childhood rental story. I didn't even realize I was getting an edutainment game. I saw the box cover and assumed I was renting the platformer that was meant to tied gamers over until a proper Super Mario World 2 could be released. _Mario is defeated by Bowser and it's up to Luigi to save the day? This is gonna be awesome._
I feel your Alien vs. Predator experience so much. I remember my best friend and I playing the magnificent arcade game, and in the same week we saw the SNES version at Blockbuster. There are far worse games, but our expectations were mutilated that weekend.
Right? As big fans of both franchises, me & a friend tried so hard to enjoy his copy of AvP back in the day. Sadly, it just became something we'd fire up sometimes after rewatching the movies. Whenever enough time had gone by for us to forget how dissapointing it was, we'd try again; always ended in 'meh', though.
Hey now... SNES Doom was perfect in my eyes, since I had no PC. I still have it in box to this day and play it occasionally. I never had any issues with the controls since the shoulder buttons were used for strafing. The D-pad and buttons were always super responsive. My only issue with the game was that you couldn't save your progress. I also still play it on the 32X, but with the volume turned down.
This was a completely ignorant take on SNES Doom. It is extremely playable. I had never even played it on PC, and had absolutely zero problems with it.
@@longtallshorty5791 Agreed, the SNES version is pretty decent for sure and definitely not bad. However, if you spend some time with the PC version, the SNES version becomes a lot less playable as it's flaws are more noticeable. Still, it's a super impressive achievement for it's time and should not have been on the list in my opinion either, but it's not our list.
I think your wearing rose colored glasses there partner snes doom's controls are really laggy dont get me wrong i love doom on snes but the controls are pretty awful
Back in the SNES days, I had to save up for decent stretches of time to buy games. I still remember the day when I bought a used cart-only copy of Doom. I loved it. It's definitely one of the worst versions of the game, but I still find it fairly impressive for the console. Since I didn't have a capable PC at the time, it didn't suffer from the direct comparison to a superior version. I sort of regret that I eventually traded it in.
back in the day the SNES Doom port was the only available for me, PCs were so damn expensive at the time. I loved it, Doom is still on the top of my favourite games, alongside starcraft and diablo
Have to disagree with Doom, I played it in 1995 with that red cartridge and I wasn't a PC gamer and didn't have a PS1 yet, so it was my first experience with Doom and despite its obvious flaws compared to better versions, it was great for what it was at the time. I mean Star Fox had similar issues, but I luved it bc when it came out, there wasn't much else like it and was very ambitious. Doom on SNES had good music/sound, yeah it was very pixelated and had very low frame rates, but most 3D style games did at the time.
I got Doom on SNES for Christmas as a kid. While yes it is lacking compared to the PC version and some other ports, once u get used to the slow laggy controls and it was actual pretty fun and playable (especially if u didn’t have any other version to compare it with as a kid like me). Music rocked too.
I don't agree with you about DOOM should never been released on the SNES. It was my introduction to the game and for a SNES game it is quite good in my opinion. The biggest problem with the game is it lacks any way of saving progress. The visuals are not bad at all. In fact, game is surprisingly playable and impressive to me. Could it have been better? Probably yes. But what I got there at that time, it was good enough for me. DOOM on the SNES is a miracle.
Highly disagree with you about Doom. By today's standards sure but back in the day this was a good way to play the game. I remember my computer back then had to run Doom the size of a postage stamp if I wanted a really smooth frame rate. Having SNES Doom on the TV was fantastic at the time. Controls are sluggish but you get used to it and having the L & R buttons strafe was great. One of the worst ways to play today but in 1995 it was awesome
Faceball was more of a technical achievement on the snes than a fun game. That raycasting although slow was pretty smooth. But if notice everything except for the sprites are rectangles. It's very similar to Wolfenstein 3d like that. Still getting it to play that clean without even a super FX chip on it.
I had an extremely similar experience with Mario is Missing. At first I had no idea what to do as I didn’t know I could select questions in speech boxes nor move into the background/foreground at first. Eventually figured it out but completed it on 2nd day. Became kind of a very guilty pleasure but still felt bad for spending £60 of my parents’ money. Could have gone towards something better.
My brother had a friend who was an exchange student from Japan. Since those SNES Mario educational games weren't released in his country, he bought them while he was here, despite my brother warning him that the games were actually terrible.
I agree so much with your intro. I was also fortunate to have a nice gaming PC back in the 90s so I had 3 epic platforms with games! Sega MD , SNES and game pc!
The Japanese version of Snes Doom actually lets you choose any of the 3 episodes on any of the difficulty levels while USA version doesn't. Really interesting!
Mario Is Missing made me almost want to cry. When I was little, I tried so hard to choose a game that my older brother would think is cool. My mom brought me to Hollywood video…. When I showed that to him, he just said it sucked and I wanted to have fun playing it, but none of it made any sense, and I was too young to read well or understand any of it. How dare they present such a piece of shit, worst 3 days with a rental ever.
I see Doom on the thumbnail 👀 Had it as kid and appreciated it for what it was at the time. Wouldn't play it today though 👀😅 Sometimes, I'll go listen to the soundtrack on the TH-cams
You're right about the prices being no joke. In the 90s, I used to get a $5 a week allowance. I soon as I got it, I would go to the video store to rent a Snes game for a $2 two day rental. You don't know how many times I was upset because the cover art completely lied to me. Bebe Kids was Damn sure one of them 🤣🤣🤣
I think you're being too harsh on SNES Doom. Its a miracle that this version even exists and when I was a kid and didnt have a PC, but just a SNES and a Genesis, I was glad that I could play Doom somehow
I continue to be convinced that I'm the only person in history that actually enjoyed Mario is Missing. I knew what I was getting into when I bought it and thought it was a nice change of pace, yea, it's not winning any awards, not even on my top 100, but I also never thought it was bad.
Well today you can make it 2 people IoI! I know others who genuinely enjoyed Mario is Missing as kids, including my wife. I'll just repost the comment I wrote a minute ago: It's ultimately one of those situations where if it wasn't for the Super Mario World branding and graphics throwing you off, most people would have nothing to be disappointed about. Still not saying it's a 'great game' by any means, just very overrated in its level of ridicule. I do recall getting very confused for awhile, then figuring out the process of what you had to do, and it became enjoyable visiting each city and learning new things. It requires patience that a lot of kids aren't willing to sit through when they think they're playing a Mario game. The soundtrack and some of the remixes to SMW themes are surprisingly decent too!
In a recent Digital Foundry episode, Randy Linden spoke about upgrading SNES Doom again, using newly discovered programming techniques. Between that and the FX chip speed upgrades I think we're in for a treat.
Doom is a great tech piece on the SNES...but it just should never have been. At least Crapcom figured this out before they they got stuck releasing Resident Evil on the GBC.
My least favorite SNES game I owned was “Ultraman.” It’s one of those fighting games before Street Fighter II, where your character only has five attacks, they don’t automatically turn around to face the enemy, so you have to manually do it, and you can only play as Ultraman, and fight all the other characters in a lineup that’s always the same sequence, and never randomized. It’s incredibly tedious, but at least it’s a nice looking game.
I'm a SNES fan, but there was no save option or level select in Doom. For me, consequently, it wasn't much more than a technical showcase.
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I was a kid/teen in the 90s, so, of course I took part in the Console Wars discussion. I had a Master System, later an SNES, but I was never against playing the consoles I didn't own whenever possible. Hell, I have more fondness for some old games on the consoles I didn't own than most of those in the consoles I owned. About the video subject, I remember being disappointed by the SNES AVP as well. I don't remember renting it, but I think I finished it, so it's unlikely that I emulated it. So, yeah, it was probably a disappointing rent. XD I also remember some Chester Chetah posters that came in a magazine I bought, but I never actually played any of the games... and I don't think I will. :P
Another great video and also very fair. I kind of liked Doom and Mario is Missing. I actually really liked Super Wrestlemania. But to each their own. It could be that I was a bit younger than you, so I just found it amazing to play any wrestling game (and to play Doom - I didn’t have a home computer that could run Doom). Thanks for another great video as always.
Same! I liked Mario is Missing and Super Wrestlemania a lot when they came out. Had fun playing both of them with friends sometimes, even Mario is Missing. I think kids had a much better mind for slower-paced games back in those days. Although, after Royal Rumble was released which improved on it in literally every way, I pretty much never looked at Super Wrestlemania ever again.
at the time when it was all you had, You juiced the enjoyment out of it. By todays standard a lot of them are now unplayable because you had so much better. It’s like moving up to home made natures deh it punch and having to go back to Hawaiian Punch.
Thanks to you, I now remember playing "Mario Is Missing!" for the first time. The game was definitely boring to say the least, but it was a great past time for when I'm home alone and no one to converse with. Just me relaxing on the sofa on a bright and sunny day trying to find Mario in a realistically designed setting of nothingness. :)
Had a similar experience to your AvP SNES one with Street Fighter 2010 on NES. Thought it was a port of my beloved Street Fighter 2 but the difference here is that I loved it! One of my favorite NES games.
Same here geoff. Underrated snes game. There are some areas which you can get stuck on like the final please of the final boss when you have to move to the left while not being crushed by the blocks via moving screen
I started playing Vortex some weeks ago, and I think it is an ambitious game that tries to offer a lot of content, but it's too complicated to be fun. Anyway, I grew up with the Super Nintendo, and like most kids at the time I had a console-war mindset, but now I clearly see that by combining the two consoles you get the perfect 16-bit experience, and I really enjoy exploring the Sega side of things.
One of my biggest letdowns was Drakkhen. My Dad and I loved playing RPG games on the NES and SNES, and Drakkhen looked really promising. We didn't have a PC, so I knew nothing about its previous ports or really anything about the game at all (we just rented it from the video store). The controls were clunky and really meant to be used with a mouse. It's frustrating that you don't actually control any of the characters in combat. The game is also notorious for its completely broken translation. Even the opening dialog, played to what is actually some pretty awesome background music, makes absolutely no sense. You're never quite sure what you're supposed to do, and even after we finished the game we were left thinking, "Huh...that was odd."
I also took the bait with Mario Is Missing! back in the summer of '93, thinking that it was a pseudo sequel or spinoff to Super Mario World, but after the initial disappointment and then figuring out how to progress through each stage, I actually kinda enjoyed it, even though I finished it within a few days. Me and my cousins had alot of fun with it, and ngl I loved how the soundtrack was a bunch of remixes of the main SMW themes. I also wish Vortex was more like Star Fox and less of a clunky mech-sim wannabe, it's a bit underrated and has a God-tier soundtrack, but the gameplay really holds it back.
Your comment pretty much echoes mine! We too got pretty confused playing back when I was 8, but with a little patience, figuring out the process became enjoyable and rewarding -- visiting each city and legitimately learning about geography and history etc. And some of those remixes to SMW themes are *incredibly* underrated to this day. It's ultimately one of those situations where if it wasn't for the Super Mario World branding and graphics throwing people off, I believe most people would have nothing to be disappointed over.
SNES Doom was one of those games I was obsessed with at the time because we didn’t have a PC strong enough for the real thing, so I played the hell out of it and beat it. Years later, after playing various Doom ports, I revisited the SNES one and was like “damn, how did I tolerate this?” lol
The Snes version of Beavis and butthead was definitely better than the Genesis version. I had the misfortune of playing The rocketeer on Snes and that had a horrible "qualifying" challenge right at the beginning that I just couldn't beat
Agreed. I had this game and it wasn't as bad as people say. The worst fighting game to me is Rise of the Robots. I even traded two of my favorite games for this trash, one of them Super Bomberman 2... The magazines who tested the game (early) gave ratings of above 90% and I thought it is a Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat killer. Yes, my hope, no.. expectation was at that level!
Oh it's definitely not the worst -- I've always respected Shaq Fu for its surprisingly-fluid sprite animations. Although, that's all the respect it deserves. IoI
I have to admit I in fact learned about some historical land marks with mario is missing.. now the nes version compared to snes version is a different topic.
8-ish year old me actually enjoyed Mario is Missing, and I even beat it. It's ultimately one of those situations where if it wasn't for the Super Mario World branding and graphics throwing you off, most people would have nothing to be disappointed about. Still not saying it's a 'great game' by any means, just very overrated in its level of ridicule. I do recall getting very confused for awhile, then figuring out the process of what you had to do, and it became enjoyable visiting each city and learning new things. It requires patience that a lot of kids aren't willing to sit through when they think they're playing a Mario game. The soundtrack and some of the remixes to SMW themes are surprisingly decent too!
Sad truth is that there are more games where you ask if anyone actually thought it was a good idea than there are great ones. Wondering which console has the lowest ratio of bad to good.
I'd say the 32X. It has 40 games in total and DOOM is the only adequate one on it. Knuckles Chaotix is a bore, the rest are so good no one remembers them. Easily the worst of the worst.
I have to say I just discovered this channel and it's bren a kind of therapy for me , are around the same age I'm an Xer too and enjoy Sega and the other consoles you mentioned. Please keep up the videos.
My most hated SNES game is without a doubt Pit Fighter. That fucker is so hard to play, you get your ass kicked every round, and to add insult to injury while you're getting your ass whipped, the crowd yells "Ooohhhh". I couldn't stand playing that.
For me, the SNES games that I disliked most were their shockingly horrendous port of Pit Fighter and Bombuzal/Ka-Blooey. The latter has so many things wrong with it: a 3D isometric viewpoint that works against the player, time pressure, and level music that never changes. Ever. All levels also start the same way: a monotone computerized voice saying "Player 1, get ready!" The Super Famicom version at least provides the option to play in 2D Mode, but the other problems remain.
Mortal kombat should be part of the next worst snes games. No blood, fatality and garbage gameplay. I disagree with doom being on this list since it's on a limited 16-bit console. I prefer vortex over star fox. Was able to run it while many consoles of its generation never ported doom with or without a enhancement chip.
Great video and I like how you explained how your criteria for this was different than the standard "this game is poopoodoodoo dog crap" type lists. If I were to recommend a list: Top Awful Games with Great Music because I typically refer to Time Cop as a garbo game with some genuinely funky tunes.
Vortex shows exactly why Miyamoto's input on Star Fox was crucial. Most of the weaknesses in the game are things he specifically brought up in the Star Fox development.
It's strange to see comments here just *seething* over the snes for some reason -- as if they're still reliving 1992's emotionaIIy-charged console-wars on the playground. And to be fair, it still happens on some Nintendo-centric channels with people railing on Sega consoles. SLX was spot-on in this video. *Trying to smear either of these incredible consoles is a chlIdish waste of time.* Both deserve to be enjoyed by all.
Well said. Thankfully I didn't see a lot of them here, but there were a few. The 16-bit era was when gaming exploded the hardest ever imo... anyone denying themselves to experience a massive chunk of that for silly branding reasons is only hurting themselves. Cheers!
It kinda looks like the SNES Transformers game we never got. Imagine a SNES Transformers G1 game on the SNES. I would even take a beat em up Konami game.
I've always looked at SNES' Doom as the Genesis' (Mega Drive for we europeans) Virtua Racing: two interesting experiments who were in fact poorly playable. Just for a coincidence, just this afternoon I've played Doom on the SNES and yesterday night I've played Virtua Racing on the Mega Drive/Genesis: for how poor they could appear, in my point of view I can't say they are horrible games. They give poor man's experiences about the real deals where they come from, but at the end they've been just experiments who ran good at 50%,. For the other half of the cake you got just a bad game. But at that time we never bother that much about that, because our typical reactions were something like "YEAH! We are playing some kind of Doom on the Super Nintendo, look at that" or "F**k yeah kids, that's an exclusive version of Virtua Racing running of my 16-bit Sega console, do you wanna play it?"...very different times, indeed.
Well said. As a kid I loved the music in Mario is Missing (with its many great and underrated remixes to the Mario World theme) and Super Wrestlemania (which fit the style of real WWF programming back in the day quite well).
I love articles and videos about bad games. They are more entertaining and informative than ones about great games. Some games really are best avoided unless you can play them for free. There are those that are so bad that they are only good for watching someone else suffer through them in a video. Thanks for the laughs and for saving me money. I've actually considered the Chester Cheeta game because my wife enjoyed the 7 UP game. Glad you warned me about this one. I'm especially glad you warned me about Doom. It's now a rather expensive stinker. At least most bad games are cheap 'so bad it's good' entertainment. My favorite game stores and websites want quite a bit for this one. The Jetsons game looks like someone loved the later levels of Sonic the Hedgehog. Man, do Ioathe wall jumping! Looks like it has a lot of it too.
the best part of Facebook 2000 is a hidden maze mode. It's more like traditional FPSs were you find keys, hidden areas & the exit in a maze instead of just being an arena Death Match. To access it simultaneously press & hold left on the d-pad, A & both shoulder buttons at the right time on the menu screen and while holding all this press start. May need a friend or your nose to manage. (I don't recall exactly when to do so on the title screen but I'm sure Google does 😂) for 2 players do the same but hit select before start. I had fun with Faceball 2000 8n the day, but it would be tedious today.
Game modes 1) Cyberzone There are a bunch of smiloids in a maze. After killing 10 smiloids, an exit will be revealed near the center of the maze. Flashing smiloids take more hits than usual, but contain helpful pods. 2) Arena A fight to the death between you and up to 6 other smiloids. You can fight in 10 different arenas, and devide the enemies up any way you want. 3) Cyberscape NOTE: To acces Cyberscape on the SNES version, hold the top L and R buttons at the title screen untill after you have selected 1 or 2 players, then release. Cyberscape has over 70 mazes, and many of them are quite complex. To beat each level, you must find the flashing door, which is heavily guarded most of the time.
@@Skullsinthecrowd When viewed through the lens of someone who was in no position to buy a PC, or plunk down money for a 32X, it was probably a very attractive option.
Super WrestleMania wasted a great roster with that garbage gameplay. Yet I hated the Genesis version MORE because you could literally do finishers at ANY TIME in the match, completely rendering them useless.
That's all spot-on, and I still enjoyed it on snes when it was new. Although by the time Royal Rumble came out which improved on it in every way possible, of course I never looked at Super Wrestlemania again. IoI
This is my new favorite worst of the SNES list. It is filled with so many forgotten stinkers! Thanks for putting this together dude. Though two games I have to disagree with you on. My 12th bday party in 97 was held at a store filled with tvs and SNES consoles. It was the first time my parents allowed me to play doom and Wolfenstein 3d. This experience birthed my lifelong passion for FPS games. It wasn't until 3 years later when I was working and able to afford my own PC that I got to experience the real doom on a computer. Also Vortex I only discovered recently but I found it enjoyable. The graphics had similarities to Starfox but were different enough. I wouldn't put it anywhere near the bottom personally. Just my two cents...oh and one crap game nobody has mentioned for me would be legend. Such a slow paced game lol.
I'd rather play SNES Doom than The Tick on SNES. For all its problems, Doom is actually tense and has a sense of progression, whereas The Tick is "technically okay" but features like 50+ levels of the most tedious beat-em-up crap you've ever seen. As a kid I wasted an entire Saturday night into morning trying to beat that crappy Tick game before just giving up. I also played SNES Doom inside-out and enjoyed it; people bitch but it's actually an impressive game.
Too Cool to Fool was actually the very first SNES game I ever rented. I don't know whats worse, that that was my first SNES rental or that my first Genesis rental was NFL Quarterback Club.
To be fair, I wouldn't say Mario is Missing is the absolute *WORST* Edutainment game. That honor, in my opinion, goes to the utter insanity that is The Adventures of Ninja Nanny and Sherrloch Sheltie...
The thing was the 16-bit era as good as it was also had plenty of pitfalls including tons of shovelware and garbage that were tossed out onto the market with very few safeguards to know what you were getting was any good before buying besides word of mouth and friends. I'm glad we don't live in that time for that exact reason even though the 16-bit era as a whole was incredible and it's something we will never see again.
i was born in 88 and my first console was a snes in 1994, already somewhat late to the party. my classmate had a genesis and i saw the great things in both consoles. around 96 all those 16-bit games became dirt cheap and i had a huge library for both. however the saturn was too expensive and died off too soon, so i jumped ship to the n64 later. yes, i hated the playstation, because i was a fanboy of the two companies i was used to.
18:00 instead of AvP the arcade game, we got AvP 2: the movie *So glad you said Vortex. Adding insult to injury, Nintendo then shelved Star Fox 2. That was the true crime; no redemption.
I don't know if I would say it's nostalgic, but we had some flooding from recent storms that kept everyone home from school. The same grocery store that rented steam cleaners also had a video store off to the side and that's where I rented Mario is Missing as I had never seen it anywhere else. I remember that week well, but that game was not good.
I think the reason why people hold Face Ball in high regard is probably due to it being a technical marvel at the time. But I can understand why you feel that way. As someone who never played that game back at the time, I don't see myself getting into it based on just watching gameplay footage. And I've grown up with MS-DOS games, including the ones some would consider bad, even back in the day.
At least the Genesis and Game Gear McDonald's games exist to "save" the reputation of food/snack licenses :) And Awww Vortex!! I actually own that one. I'm so thrilled anyone mentioned it even if it's not for a happy reason. I remember having fun playing it or maybe I was influenced by the graphics. I remember going wow even though the framerate is so so horrible...
I miss the days of wildly different hardware and wildly different exclusives.
Well be a retro gamer then
@@hapaboy8967 He is
Digital Foundry would have their work cut out for them.
@@nefariousmex2352if he was born after the retro era of gaming or if he grew up after the retro era of gaming then he missed out on those days because he didn't get to experience being a retro gamer or he isn't (wasn't) a retro gamer
Essentially PS5 and Series X are the same but then Switch is way different and PC is more powerful than all 3 yet has way better indie games that don't utilize much power at all. Personally, for over a decade now I keep hoping to see Sega release something crazy and awesome.
Wayne's World was awesome. NOT!
The movie was...the game makes me wanna hurl!
Mark Dice
I rented this and it ruinmy weekend lol
Asphintersayswhat?
They’re not worthy!
Doom on Snes is a really interesting thing. It is a great tech demo and back in the day you would play it because you had no other choice. Now, there are better options.
I'd only played Doom Episode 1 (Shareware) on a 386 with a PC Speaker before the SNES version. I rented it out for the week and finished it!
I agree. It came out in SNES late days and it sounded AMAZING! I love his videos but like all of us...He has is own opinion, WE are never RIGHT!
@@eddiedutra3359 of course you're never right. You think the world is a spinning ball when in reality it is flat
DOOM and SFA2 were both titles you just wouldn't expect to show up in the 16-bit generation. We already had great games but being able to play a three dimensional game in that red cartridge, where you could hear monsters from all around you was unique. Those who had access to computers and DOOM tend to look down on this version, while the SNES was a much cheaper way to experience a very decent version of the game you'd have to pay much more to try otherwise. Specially those who had late 80's PCs with a 386 CPU or even a slower chip, could barely play the original game as decently as the SNES cartridge provides.
We tend to forget that even as late as 1996, games such as the original Tomb Raider ran in software mode at 12 to 15 acceptable frames per second. This wasn't the end of the world. Now that we're spoiled, we just forget.
@@roberto1519 Indeed, a lot of people ran Doom in PCs with 386sx or 386dx, and the fact is that with these machines the game runs slow, maybe more than the SNES version.
The port for SNES is a decent one, because it had good controls with the six-button pad (with shoulder buttons), the sound and music of Doom was superb in SNES (the PC version ran with audio cards via MIDI, and the tracks in SNES vs PC was only better when you use some soundcard with wavetable support, a luxury in that time).
The graphics are worse but, when you look to the experience of the vast majority of people (386 machines), they played that game with reduced screen and "low resolution" option (yes, more pixelated that the "native" engine with 320x200).
I remark that the best option for playing Doom in the 90´s was the PC, included some lowspec PCs, but the SNES port was a very good one when you look how restrained was that platform for Doom (low capacity of cartridges, very low cpu performance and graphics based in sprites engine, not a hell of framebuffer, that complicate so much that port, and the inclusion of superFX is mandatory for reaching that port, but only as a solution for the low performance of 16 bits with cpu).
I remember getting Pitfighter and Home Alone for Christmas one year and both were terrible, when my parents asked if I liked them, I didn’t want to sound ungrateful so I lied to them and told them I liked them, I got Home Aline 2 the following Christmas 🤣
lol Thanks for the laugh. As the saying goes “Honesty is the best policy”. When I got my NES it came with Baseball Stars and X-men. Baseball Stars is a good game. X-men not so much.
My folks was supposed to buy us the game that we really wanted on the (NES) we wanted Ninja Gaiden but couldn't find it anywhere. My dad said we are buying Joust because it was $10 cheaper than every game and it has great box art.
Was disappointed but we still played the heck out of Joust.
I rented Pit Fighter and got angry because it was the latest in the series of mediocre or bad rentals I was let down by. I refused to let the game beat me, so to speak, so I spent my entire weekend grinding through the game. I actually beat it, though my brain was fried by the end.
Pit Fighter on SNES was notoriously bad. Home Alone was too. Ironically, they were both completely different and not AS bad on Genesis.
@@neoconnor4395 I rally enjoyed Pit Fighter on Genesis back in the day!
Randy Linden pretty much took porting doom to the Snes as a challenge. Same way he too to getting an accurate port of Dragon's lair to the Amiga on 6 floppy disks or getting PlayStation emulation working on the Dreamcast with Bleem!.
A MVG fan I see.
@@TheDemoniusX A man of fine taste.
Hey Sega Lord, why don't you play Sega Genesis Doom and see how that goes?
Digital Foundry did an interview with him about SNES Doom a couple of months ago. It’s a good video, very interesting.
I didn't find SNES Doom to be as bad as people say when I checked it out. What breaks it for me with Doom on SNES is no save at all, not even a password system, or specific level select. I'd rather play SNES Doom over 3DO and Saturn Doom tbh if I had too.
Mosaic doom as described avgn
Couldn't agree more. Ironically, what I also dislike on SNES Doom is the fact that the levels are actually more faithful to the original PC game. And I admit, when changes are to be found, I prefer the Jaguar versions. Which were the ones used for the other console versions. 32x, Playstation, Game Boy Advance, and those infamous ones that you mentioned.
@strobava fwiffo In all honesty, it should have been illegal to sell that version.
@strobavafwiffo1122 3DO is like a monkey paw wish. The OST is the best version of it (in my opinion) but it's the worse version of the game.
@strobava fwiffo The story behind the 3DO version of Doom is actually pretty interesting. Some dude who could talk a big game but actually knew nothing about game development bought the rights to make the 3DO port, then went and bragged to some game magazines about how it was going to be the best version, with new weapons and levels, and it'd be done in time for Christmas (a few months away). Eventually he hired a single programmer, and she was actually very capable, but she only got like 3 months to port it, and wasn't even given the source code of the original. It's a minor miracle the game works at all.
It's a shame, as the console probably could've handled a decent version of Doom if the programmer had been given the appropriate amount of time and resources.
I kind of love SNES Doom. For those who didn't have a PC. This game was amazing.
You didn’t need a strong computer to run doom. We had a 486 in 1995 (grossly outdated for the time)that ran it well enough All due to some id Tech wizardry.
I loved Snes doom. The framerate got tolerable after an hour or so and after hat it was a great game. Just a shame you couln't save or at least choose a campaign.
At least you keep your guns when you die.
Episodes are selectable once the game starts, you pause, select New Game, the difficulty and the episode, if Hurt Me Plenty or Nightmare are selected, Inferno becomes available, otherwise you can only select the first and The Shores of Hell.
I remember renting that game many many times.
@@roberto1519 dang i thought only the difficulty was selectable, but now that you mention it, maybe there were three options that decided where'd you start?
@@barryschalkwijk9388 It's a bit confusing, since there's no true start screen, once you boot the game up and press start it will take you into the game, only after that, by pausing the game you can select the episodes and a few other options. They should have designed it like a normal game. X-Men 2 - Clone Wars on the Mega Drive is yet another game where you're taken directly into the action.
Eh, I feel like you’re being a bit harsh on SNES Doom, while it’s definitely compromised it was the only way to play Doom without shelling out cash for new expensive consoles, add-ons, or PC hardware. If you didn’t have anything to compare it too, it’s definitely still playable.
As a kid I somehow had some kind of fun even with the shittiest of games Timecop included...The innocence of youth
The worst thing is that street combat is a reskin from a Ranma 1/2 game, that's why the Gameplay does feel strange
He said that in the video.
And yeah, it stinks.
Just like how Batman Forever uses the same engine and controls as Mortal Kombat, which just goes to show, you should never use a fighting game as a basis for any platformer!
Frankly, we Europeans got the actual Ranma 1/2 game instead of the Street Combat reskin, and the gameplay didn't feel any better; it was still the same slow, unbalanced fighting game with poor hit detection that was a drag to play through, only with prettier graphics.
@@Cyberbrickmaster1986 you would think they learned their lesson with Batman and not have made MK Anthologies Sub Zero.
@@KittyMeow1984 In America we did get the SECOND Ranma ½ fighting game, but didn't get the third one (even in reskinned form). The second game was an improvement and the third was even better. None of them were better than Street Fighter II or anything, though.
It's amazing they ported Doom to the SNES. The programmer used a lot of creative techniques. One of them was using a table of formulas and return values instead of making repeated, complex calculations on-the-fly. That being said, it's not very fun to play. I remember buying it and feeling very underwhelmed by the small screen and muffled sound. The funny thing is I remember enjoying the 32x version and that game was universally hated
Just turn the sound off and the 32X version is okay. Of course, with the recent hacked revision, there's no reason to put up with the original 32X port for anything other than a laugh and some nostalgia.
I can relate to your experience with AVP. The arcade machine was hard to find and this game was like a kick to the family jewels.
Keep in mind that DOOM had higher requirements than Crysis at their release date. Most people experienced DOOM on PC with really low FPS and in very small window when game launched. It took 1995, 1996 PCs to run DOOM locked to max FPS all the time.
DOOM on SNES runs similarly to what you could expect from average 386 PC which was a mainstream hardware for 1993. However you would get all the game mechanics and fully textured floors and ceilings, but still 10-15 FPS in a bit reduced window.
Anyway I would be happy with such port back then. I was playing DOOM on my 386SX machine and it wasn't great either, but I still enjoyed it.
Mario is Missing was my disappointing childhood rental story. I didn't even realize I was getting an edutainment game. I saw the box cover and assumed I was renting the platformer that was meant to tied gamers over until a proper Super Mario World 2 could be released. _Mario is defeated by Bowser and it's up to Luigi to save the day? This is gonna be awesome._
I feel your Alien vs. Predator experience so much. I remember my best friend and I playing the magnificent arcade game, and in the same week we saw the SNES version at Blockbuster. There are far worse games, but our expectations were mutilated that weekend.
Expectation is a hell of thing, man. It can take something that shouldn't be a big deal, and make it infinitely more disappointing.
@@SegaLordX Story of my life.
@@thekenner same 😂
At least I got to play the arcade version once!
Right? As big fans of both franchises, me & a friend tried so hard to enjoy his copy of AvP back in the day.
Sadly, it just became something we'd fire up sometimes after rewatching the movies.
Whenever enough time had gone by for us to forget how dissapointing it was, we'd try again; always ended in 'meh', though.
Hey now... SNES Doom was perfect in my eyes, since I had no PC. I still have it in box to this day and play it occasionally. I never had any issues with the controls since the shoulder buttons were used for strafing. The D-pad and buttons were always super responsive. My only issue with the game was that you couldn't save your progress. I also still play it on the 32X, but with the volume turned down.
This was a completely ignorant take on SNES Doom. It is extremely playable. I had never even played it on PC, and had absolutely zero problems with it.
@@longtallshorty5791 Agreed, the SNES version is pretty decent for sure and definitely not bad. However, if you spend some time with the PC version, the SNES version becomes a lot less playable as it's flaws are more noticeable. Still, it's a super impressive achievement for it's time and should not have been on the list in my opinion either, but it's not our list.
I think your wearing rose colored glasses there partner snes doom's controls are really laggy dont get me wrong i love doom on snes but the controls are pretty awful
Back in the SNES days, I had to save up for decent stretches of time to buy games. I still remember the day when I bought a used cart-only copy of Doom. I loved it. It's definitely one of the worst versions of the game, but I still find it fairly impressive for the console. Since I didn't have a capable PC at the time, it didn't suffer from the direct comparison to a superior version. I sort of regret that I eventually traded it in.
back in the day the SNES Doom port was the only available for me, PCs were so damn expensive at the time. I loved it, Doom is still on the top of my favourite games, alongside starcraft and diablo
Have to disagree with Doom, I played it in 1995 with that red cartridge and I wasn't a PC gamer and didn't have a PS1 yet, so it was my first experience with Doom and despite its obvious flaws compared to better versions, it was great for what it was at the time. I mean Star Fox had similar issues, but I luved it bc when it came out, there wasn't much else like it and was very ambitious. Doom on SNES had good music/sound, yeah it was very pixelated and had very low frame rates, but most 3D style games did at the time.
I got Doom on SNES for Christmas as a kid. While yes it is lacking compared to the PC version and some other ports, once u get used to the slow laggy controls and it was actual pretty fun and playable (especially if u didn’t have any other version to compare it with as a kid like me). Music rocked too.
That would have been an awesome Christmas morning indeed.
What better console versions were out at the time, really?
I don't agree with you about DOOM should never been released on the SNES. It was my introduction to the game and for a SNES game it is quite good in my opinion. The biggest problem with the game is it lacks any way of saving progress. The visuals are not bad at all. In fact, game is surprisingly playable and impressive to me. Could it have been better? Probably yes. But what I got there at that time, it was good enough for me. DOOM on the SNES is a miracle.
Highly disagree with you about Doom. By today's standards sure but back in the day this was a good way to play the game.
I remember my computer back then had to run Doom the size of a postage stamp if I wanted a really smooth frame rate. Having SNES Doom on the TV was fantastic at the time. Controls are sluggish but you get used to it and having the L & R buttons strafe was great.
One of the worst ways to play today but in 1995 it was awesome
Faceball was more of a technical achievement on the snes than a fun game. That raycasting although slow was pretty smooth. But if notice everything except for the sprites are rectangles. It's very similar to Wolfenstein 3d like that. Still getting it to play that clean without even a super FX chip on it.
I will watch Sega Lord X skewer a bad game literally any day. Something about the way he delivers it just makes me laugh so much lol
same . especially when he says he wasted money on it lol. he don't hold back lol
I had an extremely similar experience with Mario is Missing. At first I had no idea what to do as I didn’t know I could select questions in speech boxes nor move into the background/foreground at first. Eventually figured it out but completed it on 2nd day. Became kind of a very guilty pleasure but still felt bad for spending £60 of my parents’ money. Could have gone towards something better.
My brother had a friend who was an exchange student from Japan. Since those SNES Mario educational games weren't released in his country, he bought them while he was here, despite my brother warning him that the games were actually terrible.
I agree so much with your intro. I was also fortunate to have a nice gaming PC back in the 90s so I had 3 epic platforms with games! Sega MD , SNES and game pc!
The Japanese version of Snes Doom actually lets you choose any of the 3 episodes on any of the difficulty levels while USA version doesn't. Really interesting!
Mario Is Missing made me almost want to cry. When I was little, I tried so hard to choose a game that my older brother would think is cool. My mom brought me to Hollywood video…. When I showed that to him, he just said it sucked and I wanted to have fun playing it, but none of it made any sense, and I was too young to read well or understand any of it. How dare they present such a piece of shit, worst 3 days with a rental ever.
I see Doom on the thumbnail 👀
Had it as kid and appreciated it for what it was at the time. Wouldn't play it today though 👀😅
Sometimes, I'll go listen to the soundtrack on the TH-cams
they may not have ported well, but still one has to admit that just having Doom or Faceball at all on the SNES is impressive in of itself.
You're right about the prices being no joke. In the 90s, I used to get a $5 a week allowance. I soon as I got it, I would go to the video store to rent a Snes game for a $2 two day rental. You don't know how many times I was upset because the cover art completely lied to me. Bebe Kids was Damn sure one of them 🤣🤣🤣
I think you're being too harsh on SNES Doom. Its a miracle that this version even exists and when I was a kid and didnt have a PC, but just a SNES and a Genesis, I was glad that I could play Doom somehow
I continue to be convinced that I'm the only person in history that actually enjoyed Mario is Missing. I knew what I was getting into when I bought it and thought it was a nice change of pace, yea, it's not winning any awards, not even on my top 100, but I also never thought it was bad.
Well today you can make it 2 people IoI! I know others who genuinely enjoyed Mario is Missing as kids, including my wife. I'll just repost the comment I wrote a minute ago:
It's ultimately one of those situations where if it wasn't for the Super Mario World branding and graphics throwing you off, most people would have nothing to be disappointed about. Still not saying it's a 'great game' by any means, just very overrated in its level of ridicule. I do recall getting very confused for awhile, then figuring out the process of what you had to do, and it became enjoyable visiting each city and learning new things. It requires patience that a lot of kids aren't willing to sit through when they think they're playing a Mario game. The soundtrack and some of the remixes to SMW themes are surprisingly decent too!
In a recent Digital Foundry episode, Randy Linden spoke about upgrading SNES Doom again, using newly discovered programming techniques. Between that and the FX chip speed upgrades I think we're in for a treat.
I can live with how it looks. It's rough but doable. It's the gameplay that needs attention. A frame increase would work wonders.
Doom is a great tech piece on the SNES...but it just should never have been. At least Crapcom figured this out before they they got stuck releasing Resident Evil on the GBC.
I think its a cool tech demo, but yeah, a retail game it should not have been.
My least favorite SNES game I owned was “Ultraman.” It’s one of those fighting games before Street Fighter II, where your character only has five attacks, they don’t automatically turn around to face the enemy, so you have to manually do it, and you can only play as Ultraman, and fight all the other characters in a lineup that’s always the same sequence, and never randomized. It’s incredibly tedious, but at least it’s a nice looking game.
Pretty much the same here, for the same reasons you stated! My least favorite snes game was Race Drivin', but Ultraman was a close 2nd or 3rd.
First got it for my snes was ultraman. Was a big fan of the show but the game stunk.
Doom for what it is on the snes is still very impressive.
The guys a sega fanboy the snes version was overall better than any of the sega versions the jaguar had the best console version.
Doom sucks no matter where you play it.
To call me a Sega fanboy is to say you don't watch my content. Hell, it tells me you didn't even watch this video.
@@willjohnboy His name is SegaLordX what else would you expect of him?
I'm a SNES fan, but there was no save option or level select in Doom. For me, consequently, it wasn't much more than a technical showcase.
I was a kid/teen in the 90s, so, of course I took part in the Console Wars discussion. I had a Master System, later an SNES, but I was never against playing the consoles I didn't own whenever possible. Hell, I have more fondness for some old games on the consoles I didn't own than most of those in the consoles I owned. About the video subject, I remember being disappointed by the SNES AVP as well. I don't remember renting it, but I think I finished it, so it's unlikely that I emulated it. So, yeah, it was probably a disappointing rent. XD I also remember some Chester Chetah posters that came in a magazine I bought, but I never actually played any of the games... and I don't think I will. :P
Another great video and also very fair. I kind of liked Doom and Mario is Missing. I actually really liked Super Wrestlemania. But to each their own. It could be that I was a bit younger than you, so I just found it amazing to play any wrestling game (and to play Doom - I didn’t have a home computer that could run Doom). Thanks for another great video as always.
Same! I liked Mario is Missing and Super Wrestlemania a lot when they came out. Had fun playing both of them with friends sometimes, even Mario is Missing. I think kids had a much better mind for slower-paced games back in those days. Although, after Royal Rumble was released which improved on it in literally every way, I pretty much never looked at Super Wrestlemania ever again.
Doom was okay for the time and a affordable way to play that game without to own an expensive PC.
Thanks Sega Lord X I Don’t Mind DOOM On Any Console Or Super Wrestlemania Or Alien Vs Predator You Know We Had Great Times In The 90s With Them
at the time when it was all you had,
You juiced the enjoyment out of it.
By todays standard a lot of them are now unplayable because you had so much better.
It’s like moving up to home made natures deh it punch and having to go back to Hawaiian Punch.
Great video! I actually always enjoyed Faceball 2000. Early 3D easily impressed!
Thanks to you, I now remember playing "Mario Is Missing!" for the first time. The game was definitely boring to say the least, but it was a great past time for when I'm home alone and no one to converse with. Just me relaxing on the sofa on a bright and sunny day trying to find Mario in a realistically designed setting of nothingness. :)
I loved Doom Snes back in the day ! I would play Doom Snes over Doom Saturn or Doom 3DO any day.
Had a similar experience to your AvP SNES one with Street Fighter 2010 on NES. Thought it was a port of my beloved Street Fighter 2 but the difference here is that I loved it! One of my favorite NES games.
It’s great!
I actually like The Jetsons on the Super NES
Same here geoff. Underrated snes game. There are some areas which you can get stuck on like the final please of the final boss when you have to move to the left while not being crushed by the blocks via moving screen
@@Kourumeme I hate that final stage with those dang blocks
SLX, I thought you were you about to start a riot when you showed that clip of Super Mario World prior to that crappy Luigi educational game. 😂😂😂
I started playing Vortex some weeks ago, and I think it is an ambitious game that tries to offer a lot of content, but it's too complicated to be fun. Anyway, I grew up with the Super Nintendo, and like most kids at the time I had a console-war mindset, but now I clearly see that by combining the two consoles you get the perfect 16-bit experience, and I really enjoy exploring the Sega side of things.
For SNES, I might try Vortex. For Sega, why don’t you try Star Cruiser? ;)
One of my biggest letdowns was Drakkhen. My Dad and I loved playing RPG games on the NES and SNES, and Drakkhen looked really promising. We didn't have a PC, so I knew nothing about its previous ports or really anything about the game at all (we just rented it from the video store). The controls were clunky and really meant to be used with a mouse. It's frustrating that you don't actually control any of the characters in combat. The game is also notorious for its completely broken translation. Even the opening dialog, played to what is actually some pretty awesome background music, makes absolutely no sense. You're never quite sure what you're supposed to do, and even after we finished the game we were left thinking, "Huh...that was odd."
I also took the bait with Mario Is Missing! back in the summer of '93, thinking that it was a pseudo sequel or spinoff to Super Mario World, but after the initial disappointment and then figuring out how to progress through each stage, I actually kinda enjoyed it, even though I finished it within a few days. Me and my cousins had alot of fun with it, and ngl I loved how the soundtrack was a bunch of remixes of the main SMW themes.
I also wish Vortex was more like Star Fox and less of a clunky mech-sim wannabe, it's a bit underrated and has a God-tier soundtrack, but the gameplay really holds it back.
Your comment pretty much echoes mine! We too got pretty confused playing back when I was 8, but with a little patience, figuring out the process became enjoyable and rewarding -- visiting each city and legitimately learning about geography and history etc. And some of those remixes to SMW themes are *incredibly* underrated to this day. It's ultimately one of those situations where if it wasn't for the Super Mario World branding and graphics throwing people off, I believe most people would have nothing to be disappointed over.
SNES Doom was one of those games I was obsessed with at the time because we didn’t have a PC strong enough for the real thing, so I played the hell out of it and beat it. Years later, after playing various Doom ports, I revisited the SNES one and was like “damn, how did I tolerate this?” lol
We normally get graced with these when we wake up, very nice to have one before bed
SEGA lord X rose above the arguments by having disposable income! Hahaha!
I figured my time was better spent working for what I wanted instead of having stupid arguments. ;)
@@SegaLordX and that’s why we like you do much!
I'm probably just a friggin weirdo, but I actually enjoyed Mario is Missing back then.
I did as well. It's a laid back game with some culture thrown in. I also liked the regional variants of the Mario music.
Didn't even know there was a bae bae kid's game 😂
SNES Doom was good, After Playing it on the PS1 this was the first time hearing reditions of what the music was meant to sound like.
The Snes version of Beavis and butthead was definitely better than the Genesis version. I had the misfortune of playing The rocketeer on Snes and that had a horrible "qualifying" challenge right at the beginning that I just couldn't beat
@detroit retro gamer drg313 2 player was actually possible in the Snes since your health bars weren't tied together like the Genesis version
I love SNES Beavis & Butthead, I never tried it in Genesis.
Releasing Rocketeer should have been a crime lol
wow . i never knew it was on snes . i need to check that out too myself . ty for this . i just always thought it was to mature to be on snes .
I’ve always thought Shaq Fu wasn’t the worst fighting game, time keeps proving me right lol
Agreed. I had this game and it wasn't as bad as people say. The worst fighting game to me is Rise of the Robots. I even traded two of my favorite games for this trash, one of them Super Bomberman 2... The magazines who tested the game (early) gave ratings of above 90% and I thought it is a Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat killer. Yes, my hope, no.. expectation was at that level!
One of the worse for sure. Especially if you liked Shaq
If Shaq wasn't in the game, it would have been a forgettable average fighter.
Oh it's definitely not the worst -- I've always respected Shaq Fu for its surprisingly-fluid sprite animations. Although, that's all the respect it deserves. IoI
I have to admit I in fact learned about some historical land marks with mario is missing.. now the nes version compared to snes version is a different topic.
8-ish year old me actually enjoyed Mario is Missing, and I even beat it. It's ultimately one of those situations where if it wasn't for the Super Mario World branding and graphics throwing you off, most people would have nothing to be disappointed about. Still not saying it's a 'great game' by any means, just very overrated in its level of ridicule. I do recall getting very confused for awhile, then figuring out the process of what you had to do, and it became enjoyable visiting each city and learning new things. It requires patience that a lot of kids aren't willing to sit through when they think they're playing a Mario game. The soundtrack and some of the remixes to SMW themes are surprisingly decent too!
Ah man that PB & J analogy was amazing.
Love that. SNES and Genesis have always felt like brother systems to me!
Sad truth is that there are more games where you ask if anyone actually thought it was a good idea than there are great ones. Wondering which console has the lowest ratio of bad to good.
Your best ratio of bad to good games might be found on the Dreamcast, in my opinion and experience.
@@FinnSwede906I agree with this. And a smaller number of releases with a more niche audience helped a ton for that ratio.
I'd say the 32X.
It has 40 games in total and DOOM is the only adequate one on it.
Knuckles Chaotix is a bore, the rest are so good no one remembers them.
Easily the worst of the worst.
I have to say I just discovered this channel and it's bren a kind of therapy for me , are around the same age I'm an Xer too and enjoy Sega and the other consoles you mentioned. Please keep up the videos.
That Vortex soundtrack though!
The Doom map is pretty great.
My most hated SNES game is without a doubt Pit Fighter. That fucker is so hard to play, you get your ass kicked every round, and to add insult to injury while you're getting your ass whipped, the crowd yells "Ooohhhh". I couldn't stand playing that.
All of home and computer ports were garbage and a eyesore. Grainy graphics and shitty gamplay
For me, the SNES games that I disliked most were their shockingly horrendous port of Pit Fighter and Bombuzal/Ka-Blooey. The latter has so many things wrong with it: a 3D isometric viewpoint that works against the player, time pressure, and level music that never changes. Ever. All levels also start the same way: a monotone computerized voice saying "Player 1, get ready!" The Super Famicom version at least provides the option to play in 2D Mode, but the other problems remain.
Mortal kombat should be part of the next worst snes games. No blood, fatality and garbage gameplay. I disagree with doom being on this list since it's on a limited 16-bit console. I prefer vortex over star fox. Was able to run it while many consoles of its generation never ported doom with or without a enhancement chip.
Yeah, dumb take
Great video and I like how you explained how your criteria for this was different than the standard "this game is poopoodoodoo dog crap" type lists. If I were to recommend a list: Top Awful Games with Great Music because I typically refer to Time Cop as a garbo game with some genuinely funky tunes.
Vortex shows exactly why Miyamoto's input on Star Fox was crucial. Most of the weaknesses in the game are things he specifically brought up in the Star Fox development.
It's strange to see comments here just *seething* over the snes for some reason -- as if they're still reliving 1992's emotionaIIy-charged console-wars on the playground. And to be fair, it still happens on some Nintendo-centric channels with people railing on Sega consoles. SLX was spot-on in this video. *Trying to smear either of these incredible consoles is a chlIdish waste of time.* Both deserve to be enjoyed by all.
Well said. Thankfully I didn't see a lot of them here, but there were a few. The 16-bit era was when gaming exploded the hardest ever imo... anyone denying themselves to experience a massive chunk of that for silly branding reasons is only hurting themselves. Cheers!
I’m sorry but you just sold me on Vortex! Haha it looks so…awesome. That music is interesting.
It kinda looks like the SNES Transformers game we never got. Imagine a SNES Transformers G1 game on the SNES. I would even take a beat em up Konami game.
That's actually a good thing. I always want to try games for myself as well.
I've always looked at SNES' Doom as the Genesis' (Mega Drive for we europeans) Virtua Racing: two interesting experiments who were in fact poorly playable.
Just for a coincidence, just this afternoon I've played Doom on the SNES and yesterday night I've played Virtua Racing on the Mega Drive/Genesis: for how poor they could appear, in my point of view I can't say they are horrible games. They give poor man's experiences about the real deals where they come from, but at the end they've been just experiments who ran good at 50%,.
For the other half of the cake you got just a bad game. But at that time we never bother that much about that, because our typical reactions were something like "YEAH! We are playing some kind of Doom on the Super Nintendo, look at that" or "F**k yeah kids, that's an exclusive version of Virtua Racing running of my 16-bit Sega console, do you wanna play it?"...very different times, indeed.
I really don't like Street Fighter II or Mortal Kombat II on Snes, and apparently that's controversial
Funny thing is, as bad as all these games are the music & sounds FX were still very solid LOL
Well said. As a kid I loved the music in Mario is Missing (with its many great and underrated remixes to the Mario World theme) and Super Wrestlemania (which fit the style of real WWF programming back in the day quite well).
I'm surprised the snes port of Pit Fighter wasn't on this list. Terrible game 😟
I love articles and videos about bad games. They are more entertaining and informative than ones about great games. Some games really are best avoided unless you can play them for free. There are those that are so bad that they are only good for watching someone else suffer through them in a video. Thanks for the laughs and for saving me money. I've actually considered the Chester Cheeta game because my wife enjoyed the 7 UP game. Glad you warned me about this one. I'm especially glad you warned me about Doom. It's now a rather expensive stinker. At least most bad games are cheap 'so bad it's good' entertainment. My favorite game stores and websites want quite a bit for this one. The Jetsons game looks like someone loved the later levels of Sonic the Hedgehog. Man, do Ioathe wall jumping! Looks like it has a lot of it too.
the best part of Facebook 2000 is a hidden maze mode. It's more like traditional FPSs were you find keys, hidden areas & the exit in a maze instead of just being an arena Death Match.
To access it simultaneously press & hold left on the d-pad, A & both shoulder buttons at the right time on the menu screen and while holding all this press start. May need a friend or your nose to manage. (I don't recall exactly when to do so on the title screen but I'm sure Google does 😂) for 2 players do the same but hit select before start.
I had fun with Faceball 2000 8n the day, but it would be tedious today.
Game modes
1) Cyberzone
There are a bunch of smiloids in a maze. After killing 10
smiloids, an exit will be revealed near the center of the maze. Flashing smiloids take more hits than usual, but contain helpful pods.
2) Arena
A fight to the death between you and up to 6 other smiloids. You can fight in 10 different arenas, and devide the enemies up any
way you want.
3) Cyberscape
NOTE: To acces Cyberscape on the SNES version, hold the top L and R
buttons at the title screen untill after you have selected 1 or 2 players, then release. Cyberscape has over 70 mazes, and many of them are quite complex. To beat each level, you must find the flashing door, which is heavily guarded most of the time.
I had a schoolmate who had the SNES port of Doom. He loved it. Granted he didn't have a gaming PC like I did.
SNES Doom was my first taste of Doom too so I was always very fond of it also.
@@Skullsinthecrowd When viewed through the lens of someone who was in no position to buy a PC, or plunk down money for a 32X, it was probably a very attractive option.
Super WrestleMania wasted a great roster with that garbage gameplay. Yet I hated the Genesis version MORE because you could literally do finishers at ANY TIME in the match, completely rendering them useless.
That's all spot-on, and I still enjoyed it on snes when it was new. Although by the time Royal Rumble came out which improved on it in every way possible, of course I never looked at Super Wrestlemania again. IoI
ngl the Chester Cheetah and the Jetsons game look like fun.
I remember that wrestling game. At the time, I was so disappointed 😞
This is my new favorite worst of the SNES list. It is filled with so many forgotten stinkers! Thanks for putting this together dude. Though two games I have to disagree with you on. My 12th bday party in 97 was held at a store filled with tvs and SNES consoles. It was the first time my parents allowed me to play doom and Wolfenstein 3d. This experience birthed my lifelong passion for FPS games. It wasn't until 3 years later when I was working and able to afford my own PC that I got to experience the real doom on a computer. Also Vortex I only discovered recently but I found it enjoyable. The graphics had similarities to Starfox but were different enough. I wouldn't put it anywhere near the bottom personally. Just my two cents...oh and one crap game nobody has mentioned for me would be legend. Such a slow paced game lol.
STREET COMBAT! Wow, I had forgotten this EXISTED until that opening title screen popped up.
I remember that a friend had the PC version of Mario is Missing, and we loved it as kids.
I'd rather play SNES Doom than The Tick on SNES.
For all its problems, Doom is actually tense and has a sense of progression, whereas The Tick is "technically okay" but features like 50+ levels of the most tedious beat-em-up crap you've ever seen.
As a kid I wasted an entire Saturday night into morning trying to beat that crappy Tick game before just giving up. I also played SNES Doom inside-out and enjoyed it; people bitch but it's actually an impressive game.
Rocketeer for the SNES is the worst game I've ever played in my childhood.
Good call on Street Combat.
As a Ranma 1/2 fan, it really bummed me out.
I’d love to see Street Combat on Matt McMuscles’s Worst Fighting Game series.
Too Cool to Fool was actually the very first SNES game I ever rented. I don't know whats worse, that that was my first SNES rental or that my first Genesis rental was NFL Quarterback Club.
Ooo what a nice vid before bed! Thanks
To be fair, I wouldn't say Mario is Missing is the absolute *WORST* Edutainment game.
That honor, in my opinion, goes to the utter insanity that is The Adventures of Ninja Nanny and Sherrloch Sheltie...
The thing was the 16-bit era as good as it was also had plenty of pitfalls including tons of shovelware and garbage that were tossed out onto the market with very few safeguards to know what you were getting was any good before buying besides word of mouth and friends.
I'm glad we don't live in that time for that exact reason even though the 16-bit era as a whole was incredible and it's something we will never see again.
i was born in 88 and my first console was a snes in 1994, already somewhat late to the party. my classmate had a genesis and i saw the great things in both consoles. around 96 all those 16-bit games became dirt cheap and i had a huge library for both. however the saturn was too expensive and died off too soon, so i jumped ship to the n64 later. yes, i hated the playstation, because i was a fanboy of the two companies i was used to.
Unbelievable how AVP’s enemies don’t even have get-up animations. They go from down to back up in 1 frame - often without even a pause.
18:00 instead of AvP the arcade game, we got AvP 2: the movie
*So glad you said Vortex. Adding insult to injury, Nintendo then shelved Star Fox 2. That was the true crime; no redemption.
I don't know if I would say it's nostalgic, but we had some flooding from recent storms that kept everyone home from school. The same grocery store that rented steam cleaners also had a video store off to the side and that's where I rented Mario is Missing as I had never seen it anywhere else. I remember that week well, but that game was not good.
I think the reason why people hold Face Ball in high regard is probably due to it being a technical marvel at the time. But I can understand why you feel that way. As someone who never played that game back at the time, I don't see myself getting into it based on just watching gameplay footage. And I've grown up with MS-DOS games, including the ones some would consider bad, even back in the day.
At least the Genesis and Game Gear McDonald's games exist to "save" the reputation of food/snack licenses :) And Awww Vortex!! I actually own that one. I'm so thrilled anyone mentioned it even if it's not for a happy reason. I remember having fun playing it or maybe I was influenced by the graphics. I remember going wow even though the framerate is so so horrible...
I raise you a Rise of the Robots and see your cards...
DOOM was extremely decent given the hardware; this is completely unacceptable and I will not stand for it; I demand you issue public apologies. lol