OSDD: The Importance of Listening

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  • @jenkt9
    @jenkt9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Thank you - really appreciated the reminder to listen! It’s so easy to slip back into not listening - or listening and then shutting down - but everyone truly needs to be heard, and to know that they are heard.

  • @daystud
    @daystud 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    When relatives, teachers, even friends say they care about you, but dont seem to actually listen to me word by word, we eventually built over the years the ability to feel self pity and empathy in inner conversations to process reality and heal, as a system with no concrete self esteem and focus when acting like a singlet everyday.
    Thank you doctor for this video!

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You are very welcome!

  • @Sophie-ur2qb
    @Sophie-ur2qb หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you, all your videos have been so helpful 😊 I feel calm as soon as I hear the intro 🎶
    Apparently, I watched this one already, but I don't remember.
    The only verbal I'm getting is very faint, like it's really far away. And it's just single words. Like "scared"
    I have found it makes such a difference telling myself "I feel you" or "I hear you" when I feel a flashback coming on. Hearing or telling myself "You're safe now" is very comforting to me. Makes all the difference.
    But self-doubt always creeps in. I blamed and hated myself for so long, it's hard to break out of. It's a daily conflict. When I question or doubt the trauma it makes me feel much worse! I'm having flashbacks in dreams too. The cry of a traumatised child is absolutely heart breaking.

  • @deannafoster9721
    @deannafoster9721 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Still haven't found a therapist here in California. Really wished CTAD clinic could have cross the seas and provided therapy. I do hope you all are doing well! I recall the one question that was asked, "What do you think is going on?" It's always been unanswerable. Even after watching many videos of yours. Autism? Dissociation? Derealization? How deep or far does it go? The more I can keep myself away from anything that can be emotionally disruptive or uncomfortable the quieter it is. There's a lot of isolation on my part. It's safer from the different (internal) sides of me and I can quell that voice inside that says it's not safe out in the world even when my rationale says everything is okay.
    This one video resonated so much. (Maybe because that phase or title made me listen, today?) I didn't realize this can all be so internal and yet I must admit there has been some sort of switching even if there has been a great deal of denial on my part. This video clears up some of the things that make everything about my mind and situation not exactly identifiable (because I am not a professional) but maybe more clearer. If I were to answer that question today; I would probably say there is potential for OSDD. I've had a long time to think about what's going on and trying to brush anything that comes to the surface away. Thank you, Dr. Lloyd.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Lots and great thinking about depth, I truly hope you find some equally great answers.

    • @ZijnShayatanica
      @ZijnShayatanica หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I'm right there w/ you... I'm not sure what's going on precisely & I have a wonderful trauma-informed therapist, but she's still an intern. I have a general framework & someone who is genuinely supportive when I need it, but a lot of unanswered questions remain. So... Whatever it is that's going on, hopefully tools like this can AT LEAST foster self-validation & self-empathy. It's really the best I can do rn.

  • @Ghostroam
    @Ghostroam หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    It would be awesome if you did a video about how the inner world works. I am aware not every system has an innerworld, but some do have an incredibly rich innerworld that even affects reality, and I would love to hear you talking about it if you haven't done it yet!

  • @Thomas.Writes
    @Thomas.Writes 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you so much for this. I was diagnosed with DID earlier this year (though I personally feel OSDD fits the bill better) and the emotional distress and mental unrest is getting so severe that I am currently on sick leave and unable to properly explain to my manager what's going on out of fear for negative consequences considering how unknown this disorder is and the many stigmas it carries. We will definitely try empathic communication in the hopes of improving our overall communication. Thank you Dr Lloyd ❤

  • @ichi_san
    @ichi_san หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    This is great, thanks. I wish that more health professionals watch this, OSDD is so complex and important. Thank you so much... and that self neglect and its link to trauma is so real

  • @itisdevonly
    @itisdevonly หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thanks for this video. This is spot on. This was absolutely my experience when I started trauma therapy. The early stages of developing internal communication were so intense and difficult. The trauma feelings came flooding in like a tidal wave and it was extremely hard to contain. But the more I persevered and practiced the grounding skills and nervous system regulation, and as my therapist helped me through the rough patches, the easier it got. In the beginning, I only ever let the feelings in when I was in session and knew I had support, and I stayed dissociated otherwise. But eventually I began to trust that I could tolerate feeling the difficult emotions, even though they were intense, and I was able to listen to my parts and utilize my grounding and self-regulation skills outside of my therapy sessions as well. Learning to listen and treat my parts with compassion was so helpful. I used to hate them and push them away. Some of them I put in a cage. I was kind of horrified when I realized that I been abusing parts of myself. But I've changed, and internal communication is better now, and compassion and empathy are the norm. There's a lot more trust and cooperation between my parts now.

  • @thechaoticbunch-osdd
    @thechaoticbunch-osdd หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    OSDD is usually viewed as “less serious” than DID, so sometimes my denial used that to fight me and tear my life apart 😂
    I do try to listen, but I haven’t done that in ages (feels like ages anyway). Sometimes I feel that listening shld be done when I finally can afford a therapist, since (according to a psychiatrist a few years ago) the emotions I feel as compared to others is two times more severe. At least when I have access to a therapist I could always msg them if I needed any help
    This vid was rly informative!

  • @C.J.1234
    @C.J.1234 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Thank you very much for this video ! I have a pDID and diagnosed 3 years ago already , and still it’s difficult for me to listen and understand , especially because they don’t trust me and many are not allowed to speak . It is very relief to hear that you say that it realy is a difficult thing and maybe not only me as the ANP doing wrong . Maybe it just takes time . Thank you very much ! ( and excuse me if I make mistakes I have only a bit English. Therefor it’s also good you speak so clear )

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It can take time, patience, all of it. Tiring, yes, but ultimately rewarding.

    • @C.J.1234
      @C.J.1234 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thectadclinic
      Thank you very much!

  • @princessodonata2729
    @princessodonata2729 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Another one to share with our therapist. 😊 Thank you so much!

  • @alittlespacetime
    @alittlespacetime หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Will absolutely rewatch this video as needed for occasional assistance with the beginning of this journey. Thank you greatly for always delivering useful and easy to understand information. ^^ ☆

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @overlyblynn
    @overlyblynn หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is incredibly helpful, thank you.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You're very welcome!

  • @lindadunn8787
    @lindadunn8787 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Before hearing the content of the video, I want to appreciate the illustration in the thumbnail.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I liked it a lot, too!

  • @TheoSwinford
    @TheoSwinford หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thank you so so much for this video! So helpful! And it can be so difficult to find good information on OSDD. Your content is doing so much good for so many systems!

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're so welcome!

    • @MillieMoon2024
      @MillieMoon2024 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @user-pu8if4wd1s yes I agree, info on osdd compared to DID is really lacking so these videos are like gold dust. Thank you Dr Mike

  • @sparklyfingers
    @sparklyfingers หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you for this video. Ive not been diagnosed with OSDD but I do have cptsd and am sort of trying to determine if that's "all" it is or if OSDD is part of it too. This video makes a lot of sense to me.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @enoch4499
    @enoch4499 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Eternally grateful to my patient and compassionate spouse for his ability to listen and hold space. ❤ Especially vital during the early stages.

  • @E0NN
    @E0NN หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is very well explained and i wish therapists and clinicians in my country had this knowledge...

  • @kellyschroeder7437
    @kellyschroeder7437 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Thanks Dr. Mike. Can you please lengthen the time you keep the written words to read on screen. Having to rewind several times to read through and take in. Thank you 💙👊

    • @perishedsins
      @perishedsins หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      You can always pause the video in order to read the on-screen text.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Good feedback, thank you!

  • @ЭльКейн
    @ЭльКейн หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Спасибо за ваш труд и такое детальное просвещение. Общие фразы на тему диссоциативных расстройств вызывают у меня много тревоги и внутренней неразберихи. Ваши видео заземляют и дают пищу для конкретных действий и размышлений. В огромном океане без навигации, вы открываете небольшие каналы, по которым я могу двигаться.
    С некоторыми моими частями я могу говорить, сочувствовать им, когда они напуганы и переживает что-то, о чем у меня сохранились отрывки воспоминаний. Впррчем, не уверена, что они меня слышвт. Я могу быть открытой и заботливой. Но есть те, что вызывают непреодолимое отторжение и желание спихнуть их в пропость, чтобы никогда больше не чувствовать их. Когда я представляю, что говорю им те слова, о которых вы говорите, мне хочется плакать, тяжело даже представить, что я делаю это, что я могу вынести их приближение. Я не могу быть заботливой и принимающей, так много во мне отвращения.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      To care and to accept are certainly goals, I truly hope you get this worked out.

  • @progressnotperfection1839
    @progressnotperfection1839 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am all emotional! I have not yet gotten beyond that.

  • @GoddessEye
    @GoddessEye หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's so difficult to navigate this...I really wish you accepted patients from America because I would certain sign up to see you. The videos you've been making have been helping us a lot to try and figure this out while we look for a new therapist.

  • @jscire__872
    @jscire__872 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was wonderful, and made me realize how the self-compassion piece in my own IFS parts work journey is that empathic attunement. It’s beautiful and a huge mental relief, but no, it’s certainly not easy. Thank you for these videos and for the important work that you do

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very kind of you to say, it is our honour to be able to help.

  • @angelwild5665
    @angelwild5665 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you! I needed to hear your message and be able to listen again. Both can be accomplished here. Again, much gratitude for you, your team, and this channel.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @The_Cyber_System
    @The_Cyber_System หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was really interesting to learn about.
    Also very cool to see a verification blurb below the video stating that you're a mental health professional!

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It is also very cool for me having that!

  • @lederman92
    @lederman92 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi, great video. I'd love to see a video on how to manage physical manifestations of the complex trauma or extreme emotions held by another part. Particularly in OSDD.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great suggestion!

  • @user-eq4bt8zr4t
    @user-eq4bt8zr4t หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Extremely helpful understanding

  • @nathanbernards
    @nathanbernards หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very good.

  • @jurikirsteinhgel4945
    @jurikirsteinhgel4945 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    How is this different in DID? I don't have an internal dialogue or monologue. Or, at least it's sooo difficult to hear, that I have to find it... Is it common in DID to have that lack of inner voice? And more importantly, what can I do to share my feelings. I feel so awkward talking out loud to myself. It'd be like trying to talk to a wall. Just no response. And other times, I don't even get to open my mouth. It shuts tight

    • @psychopompes
      @psychopompes หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, lack of verbal communication IS common, especially when there is a strong deny

    • @jurikirsteinhgel4945
      @jurikirsteinhgel4945 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@psychopompes okay, but I try and I try, and it just does not seem like there is much ocnversation to be had inside... maybe we're just without inner voices

  • @wren1114
    @wren1114 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well said. Thanks!

  • @hightechsystem_
    @hightechsystem_ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think this makes sense as first steps… Trying to provide two way communication, and in particular trying to organize with the system safe spaces/pace and tempo for overwhelming emotions. But i think “I’m the person” and “I’m listing” is … for our system, not helpful. The “person” at the front gets to experience autonomy, and the ability to heal through the body when fronting. What our system found was far more important was empowering all the alters in the system to build the skills to front, to be autonomous, to experience the passage of time, to actually front. So in that case, the goal was to reduce the amount of latency between “the person” at the front “hearing an alter inside -> and -> the time it takes to verbalize”. This is because all conscious memory is 500ms (1/2 second) behind unconscious experience. By reducing the lag from “hearing to saying” down from 2 seconds, to 1 second, to 0.5 second.. eventually the alter inside is now in control of the front -> there is no delay between thinking a thought and saying it. And now, now you’re really in a position to heal “as a first class person”.

  • @mayalehmann1976
    @mayalehmann1976 หลายเดือนก่อน

    💛

  • @carteradrianmaudsley4248
    @carteradrianmaudsley4248 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very, very helpful!:

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you think so!

  • @MillieMoon2024
    @MillieMoon2024 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you Dr Mike. Do you think creating a routine to listen in is helpful to begin with?
    Or wait until things start feeling unsettled internally and then tune in to see what's going on? I feel like i need a manual on 'How to' do all of this.
    Also very difficult if you have parts actively not wanting to listen or you to listen

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I think as with most things, it’s better to practice when things are calm and settled.

    • @lindadunn8787
      @lindadunn8787 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@MillieMoon2024 good question.

    • @lindadunn8787
      @lindadunn8787 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@thectadclinic thank you for that answer.

    • @MillieMoon2024
      @MillieMoon2024 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thectadclinic thank you 😊

  • @mechellelachaux7655
    @mechellelachaux7655 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes

  • @jacintaphillips1439
    @jacintaphillips1439 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you, it's really difficult but I'll keep practicing ☺️

  • @ElenaAideen
    @ElenaAideen หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can there be alters in a DID system which function in this way as well? Or would these types of interactions be indicative of OSDD? This sounds very much like how a few of our parts interact, but not how most of them do.

  • @MillieMoon2024
    @MillieMoon2024 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for your video again Dr Mike. It's very very helpful.
    Just a quick one about the terminologyv used in the video.
    I know that 'ANP' is an accepted term to describe the host, or most functional current day part of the system. (And if I'm not wrong, it comes from IFS work?). But, I think the term is degrading as it kind of suggests that no part of a system is genuine (the word 'apparently') or 'normal'. Which doesn't feel good as someone with a dissociative disorder (puts a negative spin and makes me feel even more abnormal).
    I know others may feel differently, but I think the same concept of the ANP could be described in these videos, without using the words ANP e.g 'most functional' person. Or if using the word ANP, would it be possible to acknowledge it as a less than ideal term at the same time? I think highlighting terminology which isn't great like that can help people with a disorder like DID or OSDD to feel less disempowered?
    Sorry that may just be me!!

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think it is more that IFS stuff has come from all the work we have been doing for years in dissociation! ANP is a tricky one, as you say. For some it can really help knowing what this means, for others, less so. It comes from structural dissociation, and yes, I can happily clarify next time it is used!

    • @MillieMoon2024
      @MillieMoon2024 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @thectadclinic thank you Dr Mike! I agree, I think the concept behind the term IS useful...it definitely helps me... but the actual words used 'apparently ' and 'normal' to describe the concept just aren't great are they!? 🤣...I think there are other less loaded words to describe the same thing... Thank you for listening to this, it helps.
      That's interesting about where it came from!

    • @mmim7476
      @mmim7476 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree. I think the term 'apparently normal'is outdated now. It feels judgemental to me.

  • @Rain06
    @Rain06 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Almost all therapists/doctors that I've spoken to about my suspicion that I have OSDD, has been met with dismissal, despite seeing other people with mirrored symptoms getting an OSDD diagnosis. It's frustrating and debilitating. They are very quick to push the BPD label onto me without further investigation, even though I'm not sure if this diagnosis is accurate. Maybe it's just a result of Canada's faulty mental health system.

    • @thectadclinic
      @thectadclinic  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think it is still an unknown thing, so my clinicians know little about dissociation, so ‘dump’ PD

  • @Yourfitnesscoachbern
    @Yourfitnesscoachbern 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That's when I try to explain why this Osdd is so complicated (for me) - as it's just more inside and there can often be a few in the co. Otherwise it gets rudimentary if I'm not careful.

  • @ZijnShayatanica
    @ZijnShayatanica หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I believe [but I'm not sure] that the "secondary structural dissociation" I experience is my C-PTSD, but... Whatever the cause of my fractures, it's unformed & fuzzy & incredibly distressing. I know who I am, but there's a sense that I have no control over how I'm affected by different states. Hopefully listening & using my journal can help organize things... Even if it's "all me", I need to find some way ro strengthen that connection & stop losing the thread.

  • @Francis_und_Dana
    @Francis_und_Dana หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I didn‘t quite understand If this is for dis as well as osdd …

  • @tanyaboeckmans821
    @tanyaboeckmans821 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Does everyone here voices? For me it is more like a thought that is not my own, like coming from outside. This often a reason to deny the existence of parts

  • @Maremacbmf
    @Maremacbmf หลายเดือนก่อน

    yea well my system didnt like the rules that were set for "containment" so the former host lost it and the system created me out of nothing to know nothing it has backfired i am afraid so this can be complicated even with pros who "know" what they are doing!

  • @lucius7806
    @lucius7806 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hope you know that your channel is a real life saver. We are struggling to find any resources, especially therapy. And having this so we’re not entirely lost until we find a therapist is very helpful 🩵

  • @siennaskye_journey
    @siennaskye_journey หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so so much Dr. Mike, I feel so seen through this video. 🤍 This is exactly where I’m at now- aware of the high levels of distress internally, but unable to do anything about it or even know what to do. There is so much tension between myself and my system, and we are struggling so much to communicate. I’m afraid that we’re never going to be able to. At least, no on our own. We really need a therapist asap, but have no way of getting one. Things are really scary right now.