yeah nah that article doesn't make sense. perhaps a subversion would be a story about nihilism and lacking destiny or direction. perhaps something like fire punch
The only deconstruction of the chosen one character I can honestly think of is Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. Becoming an arch villain while he was supposed to be the jedi to end all jedi. It's his unforeseen fate which shaped him, until he sacrificed for the sake of his long lost son. Honestly, I would have yepped with the article if Deku instead became the next All for one and made the supervillains closer to a more lawful morally grey status.
Subversion my ass, shiggy was still a chosen one and treated as such had overhaul taken over his role in the show then it would've gotten close to a deconstruction but oh well.
Let me add to your rambling, being a chosen one in Christianity doesn't mean absolutely anything (because everyone by the virtue of being human is), however being selected by God is another thing, even then the latter requires a lot of commitment, perseveration and acceptance.
6:45 The difference between the Chosen Ine and Mary Sue is that the former actually/usually puts in _effort_ to make the Audience care about their struggles while the latter has the universe of the story bend to suit their whims and they don't actually have things that are worth struggling over.
@bastek66 Exactly. As a matter of fact, guven that many geeks see Star Wars as a prime example of "how to write", it only makes sense that the Sequels would be an example of "how NOT to write".
You have to be chosen to walk the path, not choose the path. Aang never chose to be the Avatar, in fact he ran from it, but since Book 1 his path was set by Roku himself that he had to master the elements by the end of summer to fight one of the most dangerous benders on the planet during a cosmic event where their god given power would be boosted ten fold. Aang didn't set out to do that in episode 1, he was aimless. In fact his path wasn't even stablished until the Solstice Episodes after he met Heibai. Up til then it was Aang just getting used to being the Avatar. Aang was chosen. Deku was lucky. He wasn't chosen by U.A., Deku chose U.A. The path of the Hero didn't choose Deku, he chose it because of All Might. Which is fine, but that's not a chosen one. All Might didn't choose Deku by virtue of Deku actually proving anything, Deku was available & rushed into danger headfirst. And being reckless meant he was worthy. In all respects, Melissa was a leagues better choice but she was a retcon/ later addition so we have to overlook that little gap that Yagi overlooked a genius intellect quirkless for some no talent having NPC he didn't even know. He didn't even have Inko's permission to train the kid either, ppl forget that, Yagi (some strange man she didn't know) had direct isolated access to her son without her consent or knowledge lmfao. Deku in his own story is put last after a very early point, he wasn't even treated as chosen or unique by Horikoshi himself, Izuku was just a face among many who are all equally special, valid & visible, and amazeballs. Everyone is the main character. "You are the protagonist"
My Hero Academia was EVERYONE's story while pretending to be about Deku
You know how you can subvert that trope? It's simple,you can make your character being pissed off or annoyed at being the chosen one and that simply doesn't want to be one An example? Yusuke Urameshi. He did not do that in his story but I remember (hope I am not wrong) he was pissed that he had to do his work during his free time He is defenitely the kind of guy that would not want to be part of that bs and really just mind his own business
I don't think your example is a subversion of the trope. Snob just gave an example of someone not wanting to be the chosen one in this video. It's a common plot point in those sorts of stories. An actual subversion would be something like a character unintentionally being chosen by mistake, e.g Machimaho, The Legendary Hero is Dead, or Tales of Wedding Rings. Or alternatively, the character in question was revealed to be a falsely chosen one, either because he/she lied about it, pretending to be chosen ones, or was falsely claimed by to be by other people.
Good subversion would be killing off the character with the Chosen Ability or have them lose it and win without it. Frieren had a subversion where Himmel couldn't pull out the Hero's Sword but still killed the Demon King
The best way to subvert the trope is what Kishimoto did with Boruto. Boruto is the "chosen one" but only because he was chosen by the villain. So Boruto is actively working against his "chosen one" status to prevent the prophecy from happening.
I still think a “sequel” will happen eventually. The author can’t help himself not seeing Deku becoming the #1 Hero. Him writing a new series that flops so he crawls back to MHA for a sequel is as if history repeating itself. Not to mention the “record” sales of the last volume even without the shippers (which never mattered at all) and Disney attempting to bring back the classic MCU has Shonen Jump’s attention. Speaking of SJ, their current catalog of new manga chapters is very “lackluster” with the only thing keeping “people” interested is DanDanDan.
"The chosen one" typically and is tacitly understood to actually mean, "The one chosen by fate" or "by destiny" or "by god" or some other supernatural force. As far as I'm concerned.
The Link from Zelda’s Wind Waker is a good twist on the Chosen One trope. It’s the Zelda timeline where if the original Link dies and the gods of Hyrule have to search for a new Hero. It’s implied that there were many who were candidates to be the next “Link” but the one from Wind Waker was the only one who proved himself.
The only way you can subvert the chosen one trope is by having the "chosen one" lose at whatever he was chosen to do. In the case of My Hero Academia, the way to subvert the trope would be for Bakugo or someone else to defeat All for One.
Sorry to use one of your videos Snob but at this point this is the only place where I can unleash all my disappointment about Bleach last episode So what is exactly the problem? The animation,graphic and ost were good. The new anime moments also were good. I liked Nanao backstory. Full of nice new info about important things So why I'm mad you might think? Well you see,they did all of this to just not improve the main problem of this episode: Lille "defeat" thanks to Nanao sword Literally the only thing that they needed to change and didn't. I was expecting this moment since the announcement. Just for nothing They even give an idea on how to beat Lille through Senjumaru's bankai. And yet they still didn't fix the main problem Nanao sword being the perfect counter for the perfect opponent to be used against and in the perfect moment to be used And what I hate the most is that the solution was honestly so damn easy to apply If you want to make things more complicated,then you would need to change the sword power into something that can just help you achieve victory and not letting you win easly With that I mean giving you a change but only if you put a lot of effort or strategy or sacrificing something However,I do understand there was not much time to do this. But I did say there was an easy solution Which is simply showing the flashback of this episode (since it also talks about the sword) way before this fight Heck,even during Shunsui hiding or during Reio's flashback on how he got his limbs getting cut I don't see what was so difficult to do about it. At this point I just think Kubo was really just ok with the way some things were But then why making that new flashback if you are still not fixing the main problem. He did made the whole situation better overall. But he basically went from terrible to at least bearable (barely) The flashback was a good and the right choice. But it was played way too late. Wrong tempistic. This was a rookie mistake The worst part is of course the fanboys being ok with it. I genually can't understand what's wrong with being mad at some things. It's not like it is going to ruin anything if you show some disappointment. Do they really want their favourite show to improve at all?
Oh it’s simple the cries of a majority of the fan base don’t matter because they aren’t Japanese and the fact that the episodes are already finished and ready to air so even if people complained it would do nothing and finally most people who only really have one problem with an episode it doesn’t matter because the good outweigh the bad
@@chaserseven2886 yes but at least you have an hint for the future with what you are going to do Kubo should have also read some of the old comments when the chapter dropped to see what the fans thought about it. And back then they were way more honest Also for this case,we are talking about writing which stands above everything else. So it doesn't really get outweighted Unless the fans don't complain about it and defend it instead. Exactly what they are doing If Kubo can't understand the mistakes he make,then it's the fans job to help him. But if they never criticize it,then he is never going to improve a damn thing And it's not even like Bleach is doing everything perfectly
@@chaserseven2886 this is a matter of Bleach fans in general Just like with any major anime fandom,those who give fair criticism always end up being the less loud
I don't think it's correct to say that mha subverts the chosen one trope but the story does try to interogate deku’s status as the chosen one by introducing mirio as potential alternative ofa successor and making deku and the reader consider if he really was the best person to be chosen as the successor of ofa. Of course the story kinda goes back on this by establishing that having no qurk makes you a better holder of ofa thus making deku an objectivlty better choice than mirio but I did think that part of the overhaul arc was interesting as most shonen manga I read never do anything like that. Like luffy has rivals in his goal of being pirate king but I feel like luffy and the story never takes those alternatives seriously in the way that mha did in the overhaul arc with mirio vs deku.
I guess they take the One for All quirk as a chosen one status since it's a transferable quirk and the most versatile there is. And in a way, it makes sense since you're the chosen one from the previous holder.
Since the first chapter when he received the One for All, the most powerful quirk in the world. Later it was revealed being quirkless made him more compatible with the One for All like All Might before him, unlike the previous owner who was destined to die because they already had a quirk that would be fatal to them because of the tremendous power of the One for All. Like Asta who has no mana which allows him to manipulate anti-magic, Deku being Quirkless makes him a perfect vessel
@@gwadahunter2222deku only got one for all of because he tried fighting a villain head on if he just stood there and watched he wouldn’t have gotten it
One for All definitely is a Chosen One trope. Regardless of how he got the quirk it's the 'God given' power he was chosen to have which specifically fights the evil one
It might be misleading, but it’s far from brain rot. Media in general isn’t something to be taken that seriously. It is simply a way for creators and artists to provide entertainment, share ideas, and look for inspiration. Shounen anime for the most part falls into the providing entertainment category.
The human brain is in a state of suggestion while the person is being entertained. It's VERY easy to shape someone's thoughts and emotions through entertainment, especially when they aren't taking it seriously. Color theory, music theory, etc. it's all psychological.
Hey snob is it possible for the destiny trope to be used in a good way?(without the whole plot armor predictable villain defeats meaningless learned lessons etc)
Does Ryo from Project ARMS count as a chosen one? (SPOILERS) He and the others were lab bred to be compatible with the ARMS, and his Jabberwock has a very destructive mindset, and the Egregori wants to manipulate and use Ryo as part of their plan to destroy the world and remake it into an Arcadia. Katsumi is revealed to also been bred in a lab in America and was sent over where Ryo lived so that she would become childhood friends/potential paramours and unwillingly plays her part as Damsel Bait to get Ryo and the others to go on a roadtrip across the US All the Way to New York where Katsumi is fated to die by Ryo's hand and Ryo in Despair and Katsumi's corpse merge with Azazel-Alice into a gigantic Jabberwock.
Semantics. He randomly ate a Chosen One power. The point is that it's difficult to ascertain he he accomplishes everything he will because he's Luffy or because he ate that Devilfruit
It been told that mythical zoan choose it's user which is why the government can't prevent the fruit from being eaten no matter how hard they tried to hide it since it's the fruit of freedom.
I disgree but it is one trope that is done horribly most of the time. It really shouldn't be this bad but it somehow is. Like, people constantly uses this trope but don't know a thing about how to use it. It seems to be the favorite go-to trope by all these horrible writers. The biggest culprit seems to be the authors giving their choosen one preferential treatment. They give them random powers, plot armor, harem, instant friendship, asspulls, etc.. All these terrible tropes that gets attached to the Chosen One trope due to the author's own terrible writing skills. At the hand of a great writer, the Chosen One trope has lots of potential. Too bad it has become a favorite trope for the terrible writers and get associated with them.
@@rosverlegaspo6752 Horikoshi is far from being a terrible writer, but I can agree that he should have stayed with his gut and not be deterred by the toxic fandom he never wanted.
@@rosverlegaspo6752 It's used as a shortcut to make characters 'special and unique' without the need to actually build up their character. It's a cool hook but nothing special anymore
@@wendylacey2745 I was not talking about Horikoshi? As for Horikoshi, I don't think he fails at using the Chosen One trope because of the toxic fans, he just isn't that good. I don't think it was because of the fans for many of bad dicisions; like Eri, or why All Might didn't die, or how the story ends and many more of such things. Those are all on Horikoshi. It is all his guts. The "toxic fans" which you seem to mean critics acually have better ideas of how things should be done. I don't really understand why you and many others think that the authors like Horikoshi are somehow all knowing or never get things wrong. Actual good writers look for feedback, other people's set of eyes, to cover for their blindspots or things that they might have missed. That is why there are beta-readers and reviewers. That is why movies have test screenings. There are actual departments and industries based around feedback. These feedbacks are vital element of the process. You can actually say that Horikoshi is failing because he didn't listen to feedback. All he listen to are the yes-men who just agrees to everything and who didn't really do any critical analysis, resulting to subpar product.
Wasn't too impressed with To the Abandoned Sacred Beasts anime, despite having a lot of popular voice actors, including a well done English dub and the beefcake fanservice Hank provides. We'll probably never get a season 2 due to lukewarm reception and the changes the anime made though the manga recently finished. We rarely ever get Werewolf centric Japanese media, and they keep botching it in some way unless your name is Wolf Children.
How to write a Chosen one:
Step 1: You don't.
There are plenty of great ones
yeah nah that article doesn't make sense. perhaps a subversion would be a story about nihilism and lacking destiny or direction. perhaps something like fire punch
The only deconstruction of the chosen one character I can honestly think of is Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. Becoming an arch villain while he was supposed to be the jedi to end all jedi. It's his unforeseen fate which shaped him, until he sacrificed for the sake of his long lost son.
Honestly, I would have yepped with the article if Deku instead became the next All for one and made the supervillains closer to a more lawful morally grey status.
@@nozotoDemon Slayer, Owl House, some more examples
The chosen fries bagger, rising to become the plus ultra manager for all.
@@nozoto That meme is getting old.
Oh go to hell.
The videogame "Dispatch" and the Pilot Manga of MHA had way simpler and more interesting promises...
@@wendylacey2745
Memes never die.
@@capt.artemislivius7601 This one will in a few months.
Subversion my ass, shiggy was still a chosen one and treated as such had overhaul taken over his role in the show then it would've gotten close to a deconstruction but oh well.
Let me add to your rambling, being a chosen one in Christianity doesn't mean absolutely anything (because everyone by the virtue of being human is), however being selected by God is another thing, even then the latter requires a lot of commitment, perseveration and acceptance.
6:45
The difference between the Chosen Ine and Mary Sue is that the former actually/usually puts in _effort_ to make the Audience care about their struggles while the latter has the universe of the story bend to suit their whims and they don't actually have things that are worth struggling over.
Like Rey Palpatine
@bastek66
Exactly.
As a matter of fact, guven that many geeks see Star Wars as a prime example of "how to write", it only makes sense that the Sequels would be an example of "how NOT to write".
You have to be chosen to walk the path, not choose the path. Aang never chose to be the Avatar, in fact he ran from it, but since Book 1 his path was set by Roku himself that he had to master the elements by the end of summer to fight one of the most dangerous benders on the planet during a cosmic event where their god given power would be boosted ten fold.
Aang didn't set out to do that in episode 1, he was aimless.
In fact his path wasn't even stablished until the Solstice Episodes after he met Heibai. Up til then it was Aang just getting used to being the Avatar.
Aang was chosen.
Deku was lucky.
He wasn't chosen by U.A., Deku chose U.A.
The path of the Hero didn't choose Deku, he chose it because of All Might. Which is fine, but that's not a chosen one.
All Might didn't choose Deku by virtue of Deku actually proving anything, Deku was available & rushed into danger headfirst. And being reckless meant he was worthy.
In all respects, Melissa was a leagues better choice but she was a retcon/ later addition so we have to overlook that little gap that Yagi overlooked a genius intellect quirkless for some no talent having NPC he didn't even know.
He didn't even have Inko's permission to train the kid either, ppl forget that, Yagi (some strange man she didn't know) had direct isolated access to her son without her consent or knowledge lmfao.
Deku in his own story is put last after a very early point, he wasn't even treated as chosen or unique by Horikoshi himself, Izuku was just a face among many who are all equally special, valid & visible, and amazeballs.
Everyone is the main character. "You are the protagonist"
My Hero Academia was EVERYONE's story while pretending to be about Deku
You know how you can subvert that trope? It's simple,you can make your character being pissed off or annoyed at being the chosen one and that simply doesn't want to be one
An example? Yusuke Urameshi. He did not do that in his story but I remember (hope I am not wrong) he was pissed that he had to do his work during his free time
He is defenitely the kind of guy that would not want to be part of that bs and really just mind his own business
The main characters of Project ARMS were like this well, considering their situation.
I don't think your example is a subversion of the trope. Snob just gave an example of someone not wanting to be the chosen one in this video. It's a common plot point in those sorts of stories.
An actual subversion would be something like a character unintentionally being chosen by mistake, e.g Machimaho, The Legendary Hero is Dead, or Tales of Wedding Rings.
Or alternatively, the character in question was revealed to be a falsely chosen one, either because he/she lied about it, pretending to be chosen ones, or was falsely claimed by to be by other people.
Good subversion would be killing off the character with the Chosen Ability or have them lose it and win without it.
Frieren had a subversion where Himmel couldn't pull out the Hero's Sword but still killed the Demon King
The best way to subvert the trope is what Kishimoto did with Boruto. Boruto is the "chosen one" but only because he was chosen by the villain. So Boruto is actively working against his "chosen one" status to prevent the prophecy from happening.
@@PettyCrow-n9c This sounds similar to the plot of Final Fantasy 13 series.
I still think a “sequel” will happen eventually. The author can’t help himself not seeing Deku becoming the #1 Hero. Him writing a new series that flops so he crawls back to MHA for a sequel is as if history repeating itself. Not to mention the “record” sales of the last volume even without the shippers (which never mattered at all) and Disney attempting to bring back the classic MCU has Shonen Jump’s attention. Speaking of SJ, their current catalog of new manga chapters is very “lackluster” with the only thing keeping “people” interested is DanDanDan.
What about kagurabachi?
No one talks about it anymore. It came and went with the memes.
@@rangermonkey9370people still talk about it especially when the anime got announced and it’s going to be talked about more and more
That's actually deadbrain dude is everyone is a chose one nobody is a chose one
"The chosen one" typically and is tacitly understood to actually mean, "The one chosen by fate" or "by destiny" or "by god" or some other supernatural force. As far as I'm concerned.
The Link from Zelda’s Wind Waker is a good twist on the Chosen One trope. It’s the Zelda timeline where if the original Link dies and the gods of Hyrule have to search for a new Hero. It’s implied that there were many who were candidates to be the next “Link” but the one from Wind Waker was the only one who proved himself.
Po and abe are the best written chosen one characters in story
That I can think of
The only way you can subvert the chosen one trope is by having the "chosen one" lose at whatever he was chosen to do. In the case of My Hero Academia, the way to subvert the trope would be for Bakugo or someone else to defeat All for One.
You can subvert it by leading the audience or the character themselves to believe they are the chosen one, only to reveal that they aren't
Sorry to use one of your videos Snob but at this point this is the only place where I can unleash all my disappointment about Bleach last episode
So what is exactly the problem? The animation,graphic and ost were good. The new anime moments also were good. I liked Nanao backstory. Full of nice new info about important things
So why I'm mad you might think? Well you see,they did all of this to just not improve the main problem of this episode: Lille "defeat" thanks to Nanao sword
Literally the only thing that they needed to change and didn't. I was expecting this moment since the announcement. Just for nothing
They even give an idea on how to beat Lille through Senjumaru's bankai. And yet they still didn't fix the main problem
Nanao sword being the perfect counter for the perfect opponent to be used against and in the perfect moment to be used
And what I hate the most is that the solution was honestly so damn easy to apply
If you want to make things more complicated,then you would need to change the sword power into something that can just help you achieve victory and not letting you win easly
With that I mean giving you a change but only if you put a lot of effort or strategy or sacrificing something
However,I do understand there was not much time to do this. But I did say there was an easy solution
Which is simply showing the flashback of this episode (since it also talks about the sword) way before this fight
Heck,even during Shunsui hiding or during Reio's flashback on how he got his limbs getting cut
I don't see what was so difficult to do about it. At this point I just think Kubo was really just ok with the way some things were
But then why making that new flashback if you are still not fixing the main problem. He did made the whole situation better overall. But he basically went from terrible to at least bearable (barely)
The flashback was a good and the right choice. But it was played way too late. Wrong tempistic. This was a rookie mistake
The worst part is of course the fanboys being ok with it. I genually can't understand what's wrong with being mad at some things. It's not like it is going to ruin anything if you show some disappointment. Do they really want their favourite show to improve at all?
Oh it’s simple the cries of a majority of the fan base don’t matter because they aren’t Japanese and the fact that the episodes are already finished and ready to air so even if people complained it would do nothing and finally most people who only really have one problem with an episode it doesn’t matter because the good outweigh the bad
@@chaserseven2886 yes but at least you have an hint for the future with what you are going to do
Kubo should have also read some of the old comments when the chapter dropped to see what the fans thought about it. And back then they were way more honest
Also for this case,we are talking about writing which stands above everything else. So it doesn't really get outweighted
Unless the fans don't complain about it and defend it instead. Exactly what they are doing
If Kubo can't understand the mistakes he make,then it's the fans job to help him. But if they never criticize it,then he is never going to improve a damn thing
And it's not even like Bleach is doing everything perfectly
@@marcomilillo23that assumes the Japanese fans are even making the criticism
@@chaserseven2886 this is a matter of Bleach fans in general
Just like with any major anime fandom,those who give fair criticism always end up being the less loud
@@marcomilillo23they probably don’t care that much or are aware their criticisms won’t reach the creatives
I don't think it's correct to say that mha subverts the chosen one trope but the story does try to interogate deku’s status as the chosen one by introducing mirio as potential alternative ofa successor and making deku and the reader consider if he really was the best person to be chosen as the successor of ofa. Of course the story kinda goes back on this by establishing that having no qurk makes you a better holder of ofa thus making deku an objectivlty better choice than mirio but I did think that part of the overhaul arc was interesting as most shonen manga I read never do anything like that. Like luffy has rivals in his goal of being pirate king but I feel like luffy and the story never takes those alternatives seriously in the way that mha did in the overhaul arc with mirio vs deku.
Snob was fated to make videos and not make money from it. ..in inevitable sad ending.
when was Deku portrayed as an chosen one? People just want to say stuff like that to make their manga look cooler
I guess they take the One for All quirk as a chosen one status since it's a transferable quirk and the most versatile there is. And in a way, it makes sense since you're the chosen one from the previous holder.
Since the first chapter when he received the One for All, the most powerful quirk in the world.
Later it was revealed being quirkless made him more compatible with the One for All like All Might before him, unlike the previous owner who was destined to die because they already had a quirk that would be fatal to them because of the tremendous power of the One for All.
Like Asta who has no mana which allows him to manipulate anti-magic, Deku being Quirkless makes him a perfect vessel
@@gwadahunter2222deku only got one for all of because he tried fighting a villain head on if he just stood there and watched he wouldn’t have gotten it
One for All definitely is a Chosen One trope. Regardless of how he got the quirk it's the 'God given' power he was chosen to have which specifically fights the evil one
@@Ash_Wen-liif it was god given then why wasn’t he able to use all of its powers when he got it? Why did he all might to all that training?
It might be misleading, but it’s far from brain rot. Media in general isn’t something to be taken that seriously. It is simply a way for creators and artists to provide entertainment, share ideas, and look for inspiration. Shounen anime for the most part falls into the providing entertainment category.
The human brain is in a state of suggestion while the person is being entertained. It's VERY easy to shape someone's thoughts and emotions through entertainment, especially when they aren't taking it seriously. Color theory, music theory, etc. it's all psychological.
@ That can be viewed as both a positive and negative thing.
The article is definitely a sign of brain rot. I hope the writer was just trying to push something out rather than genuinely thinking it's true
@@Ash_Wen-li It could be both.
Hey snob is it possible for the destiny trope to be used in a good way?(without the whole plot armor predictable villain defeats meaningless learned lessons etc)
no
@@ThatAnimeSnob Really are you sure?
Does Ryo from Project ARMS count as a chosen one? (SPOILERS)
He and the others were lab bred to be compatible with the ARMS, and his Jabberwock has a very destructive mindset, and the Egregori wants to manipulate and use Ryo as part of their plan to destroy the world and remake it into an Arcadia. Katsumi is revealed to also been bred in a lab in America and was sent over where Ryo lived so that she would become childhood friends/potential paramours and unwillingly plays her part as Damsel Bait to get Ryo and the others to go on a roadtrip across the US All the Way to New York where Katsumi is fated to die by Ryo's hand and Ryo in Despair and Katsumi's corpse merge with Azazel-Alice into a gigantic Jabberwock.
FINALLY A GOOD VIDEO
When did luffys devil fruit choose him? What chapter/volume?
Semantics. He randomly ate a Chosen One power. The point is that it's difficult to ascertain he he accomplishes everything he will because he's Luffy or because he ate that Devilfruit
It been told that mythical zoan choose it's user which is why the government can't prevent the fruit from being eaten no matter how hard they tried to hide it since it's the fruit of freedom.
@@flarespitfireright ok
@@Ash_Wen-lithat didn’t answer my question but thankfully there was someone who did (partly)
Worst trope of all time and the most boring of them all.
I disgree but it is one trope that is done horribly most of the time. It really shouldn't be this bad but it somehow is. Like, people constantly uses this trope but don't know a thing about how to use it. It seems to be the favorite go-to trope by all these horrible writers.
The biggest culprit seems to be the authors giving their choosen one preferential treatment. They give them random powers, plot armor, harem, instant friendship, asspulls, etc.. All these terrible tropes that gets attached to the Chosen One trope due to the author's own terrible writing skills.
At the hand of a great writer, the Chosen One trope has lots of potential. Too bad it has become a favorite trope for the terrible writers and get associated with them.
Agreed
@@rosverlegaspo6752 Horikoshi is far from being a terrible writer, but I can agree that he should have stayed with his gut and not be deterred by the toxic fandom he never wanted.
@@rosverlegaspo6752 It's used as a shortcut to make characters 'special and unique' without the need to actually build up their character. It's a cool hook but nothing special anymore
@@wendylacey2745 I was not talking about Horikoshi?
As for Horikoshi, I don't think he fails at using the Chosen One trope because of the toxic fans, he just isn't that good. I don't think it was because of the fans for many of bad dicisions; like Eri, or why All Might didn't die, or how the story ends and many more of such things. Those are all on Horikoshi. It is all his guts. The "toxic fans" which you seem to mean critics acually have better ideas of how things should be done.
I don't really understand why you and many others think that the authors like Horikoshi are somehow all knowing or never get things wrong. Actual good writers look for feedback, other people's set of eyes, to cover for their blindspots or things that they might have missed. That is why there are beta-readers and reviewers. That is why movies have test screenings. There are actual departments and industries based around feedback. These feedbacks are vital element of the process. You can actually say that Horikoshi is failing because he didn't listen to feedback. All he listen to are the yes-men who just agrees to everything and who didn't really do any critical analysis, resulting to subpar product.
Subversion is pointless. Just focus on writing a good story with in-depth thematic exploration of a given subject.
To the abandoned Sacred Beasts is an underrated anime btw.
And if subversion is said thematic subject lol
@@Finalslashes Subversion is not a theme
Wasn't too impressed with To the Abandoned Sacred Beasts anime, despite having a lot of popular voice actors, including a well done English dub and the beefcake fanservice Hank provides. We'll probably never get a season 2 due to lukewarm reception and the changes the anime made though the manga recently finished.
We rarely ever get Werewolf centric Japanese media, and they keep botching it in some way unless your name is Wolf Children.
@@New_Age_Waifusubversion can be used to strengthen an existing theme
Chosen One trope deserves critique but this has to be the stupidest way to try