I live in Woodend and would love to see the railway extended to Trentham. Trentham is like a mini Daylesford, with many enchanting historical buildings and excellent eateries plus the countryside is simply beautiful. Your on a sure winner and I can't wait !!!
@@m4lr I would be happy if they sat on their hands, but they actively seem to deliberately hold up any process that involves the progress of our society, there a dam blight on our future
@@roberthocking9138 Some shires are very good at approving things and some are not, Hepburn Shire in which Daylesford is a part of, is pretty good, they realize the potential of tourism to their shire, which is only about an hour and a half from Melbourne and gets a lot of day trippers to their region. I would think that once VicTrack gets off their collective backsides and approve the right of way to Trentham, things will move very quickly for the extensions. DSCR really should be thinking ahead and do all the studies required, ahead of time, so that they are ready to move forward, instead of "wait and see".
Well done guys. I admire all the work you've done and your devotion to getting the railway back to Trentham, but why stop there? Go all the way. Carlsruhe should be your ultimate destination.
I've heard it said all council decisions come down to two people - the CEO and the chief engineer, which explains the diabolically long timeframe for decision making.
@@darylatkinson8802Council leases the land off Victrack. Today you need to research the visitor demographics, their time, attraction travel movements and work backwards to operate a railway to match what they are prepared to do. Not think let's extend the railway and more will use it. You need short interesting shuttles with a variety of activities each end.
@@darylatkinson8802Today unfortunately relaying track is not straight forward or even lifting it for a railtrail, (see Castlemaine Maryborough Railtrail Groups half million dollar State Government grant recently for consultants). The forest if not private, is Vic Forest Managed. Then DWELP have a say and the SES, CFA, ONRSR, local indigenous representatives, local council, residents and stake holders, etc etc etc. ...... So back in the 1960's and 70's you trundle along the track in an old D3 steam loco or Y class and no one gave two hoots.. no one wants the responsibility to say; 'YES'.
@@rsinclair6560 Quote: *"Nothing to do with Hepburn Council. It is Victrack land."* As usual a commenter that hasn't watched all the vid. It's best to fact check before commenting (so one doesn't have to backtrack in order to save face). In fact it isn't Victrack land or Victrack decisions holding up the project at all. The video very clearly mentions that Victrack is supportive, then, "Beyond Kangaroo Ck held by Hepburn council." The vid then goes on to say, "At this stage we haven't had a positive response from council." Fellow volunteer Richard then states, "The only thing preventing us from starting the extension to Lyonville is in fact the council."
Would love to see it come to Trentham, and hopefully link to Woodend or Kyneton. allowing people to get to Daylesford by train would be great for tourism and the area.
No! This railway runs railmotors and that is its specialty along with its location. Yes they might run a loco hauled N set, but they do not need a steam engine. Steam is costly to maintain and needs suitably qualified operators. Fuel might also be an issue. (DSCR has enough problems with bush fires.) I am a steam enthusiast and was a volunteer steam fireman for over 20 years on a tourist railway.
@Kevin-go2dw We used 707 to haul two Melbourne Grammar School Bluestone Orchestra Tours over the last two years, and they have stated that sourcing and paying for coal is getting harder and harder to do reliably. So short answer is to avoid wood or coal fired Steam if possible. Having the Railmotors is a point of difference with other tourist lines.
Exactly we have the Same problem down at diamond valley miniature railway we’ve proposed plans for an extension in the past (mainly to the oval across the car park from us) but from what I’ve heard they denied it because it’ll require a level crossing
@@johnrobinson3069Hepburn is booming generally seven days a week. Maldon gets busy Saturday and half of Sunday. But the railway is not attractive or interested to most visitors. They will spent $60 to $100 per couple at Cliffy's Cafe 200 metres down the road.
Total lost why a railway through forest and bush would want passengers to be enclosed in carriages that windows cannot be opened and need air conditioning?
I wouldn't mind someone explaining why the Castemaine Maryborough Railtrail Group recieved $120,000 to conduct a survey and another $400000 via State Governent under The Enabling Tourism Program. That is over half a million dollars, not one dollar goes into actual civil works, lifting rail or disposing of ballast but goes to consultancy? Yet Maryborough is now connected to the national standard gauge rail system, Victorian ports and road grain haulage breaking up Hepburn and Central Goldfields Shire roads, yet Moorlort grain silos abandoned? So maybe Daylesford railway needs to ask Enabling Tourism to grant 1/2 million dollars for consulting contractors for future extension?
No point extending. Tourism is an industry and not a one Sunday a week hobby for volunteers. Yes busy market day with for rail motor trips carry capacity 44. At $22 a ticket considering no family ticket issued (unlikely) that $15488 a month. The railway is dead closed six days a week. However 200 meters down the road Cliffy's Cafe has atleast 25 cars parked out six days a week. Average 2 persons spending $60 to $80 per hour at productive 6 hours that is minimum $9000 'a day that is $216000 a month. They have sold 600 coffee's and 400 plate ups in one day.
these are heritage railways, not tourist railways. the whole point of DSCR existing is to preserve and recreate how the line looked like back when it was still in revenue operation, and part of that is restoring as much of the alignment as they can. if these railways only did it for the tourism puffing billy would have probably stopped at menzies creek
@@maddyg3208population density, outer suburb of Melbourne, society began in 1950's. Massive tourist international visitor number by coach. Four million people at their door step. The suburban system terminates at Belgrave. .The whole trip return to Gembrook is unpopular with families too long. It is a unique way to travel sitting on the carriage ledge nowhere in the world is this done. Interesting track and motive power. Interesting family friendly multi activity at Lakeside. And financially boosted by State Government appropriations.
@@comengshTherefore no tax payer funded grants to support a hobby instead contributing to the economy and tourism industry. Just play trains. However if you want serious income it needs to be more than a train and get people to stop.
@@maddyg3208 Puffing Billy is a success in my opinion because of its location. End of the suburban railway and on multiple bus routes so it is easy to get to Belgrave. From 1975 the railway extended to Lakeside giving access to Emerald Lake Park. So it was easy to get to and had a great destination. Since 1975 much has happened to expand the railway, first the Emerald Railway Tourist Board and then the Puffing Billy Railway to operate the railway with paid staff and volunteers. Being part of bus tours and running seven days a week has contributed to its success. Finding volunteers to fill all positions can and will be a challenge, hence there is paid staff. Every volunteer railway needs to start somewhere before it extends, and DSCR is no different. Remember it used to be trolley rides before reaching Musk.
The only way you will get Council go ahead for this extension is to PAY THEM OFF I,have dealt with four different councils in the past and the all responded to my '"""donations""" if you get my meaning
more tourist railways need to take a take a leaf out of your book great way to keep people informed and interested in the railways.
I live in Woodend and would love to see the railway extended to Trentham. Trentham is like a mini Daylesford, with many enchanting historical buildings and excellent eateries plus the countryside is simply beautiful. Your on a sure winner and I can't wait !!!
Great update! A bright future ahead! Thanks for taking the time to make this!
Thanks for the update, sounds like a battle with the shire has the usual problems, like most shires !!
Why do we need councils. They seem to be very good at sitting on their hands and >>>>>>>
@@m4lr I would be happy if they sat on their hands, but they actively seem to deliberately hold up any process that involves the progress of our society, there a dam blight on our future
@@roberthocking9138 Some shires are very good at approving things and some are not, Hepburn Shire in which Daylesford is a part of, is pretty good, they realize the potential of tourism to their shire, which is only about an hour and a half from Melbourne and gets a lot of day trippers to their region. I would think that once VicTrack gets off their collective backsides and approve the right of way to Trentham, things will move very quickly for the extensions. DSCR really should be thinking ahead and do all the studies required, ahead of time, so that they are ready to move forward, instead of "wait and see".
Well done guys. I admire all the work you've done and your devotion to getting the railway back to Trentham, but why stop there? Go all the way. Carlsruhe should be your ultimate destination.
Looks like a bright future for the Dscr, amazing work guys
This is a positive concept. We need council to be on board and support the tourist railway
Amazing content. Love from a Hepburn resident who takes the train everyday.
How amazing if this all goes ahead!
This will be so good
Good luck and I hope the council starts to play ball sooner than later. !
It’s always nice to see people taking care of this equipment because we might need it connecting the easy way that computers can go nuts 😁👍
The railway is fortunate to have someone with Richard's background to represent the railway with organisations like the council and victrack.
It's all up to the council now to approve.
I was very excited for this announcement 😁
All sounds good! Hopefully we see this extension get put into progress soon.
I really hope the council approves this. If they don’t, I’ll be attending any protests about them not approving it.
Hopefully the council approves the extension to Lyonville and eventually Trentham
I've heard it said all council decisions come down to two people - the CEO and the chief engineer, which explains the diabolically long timeframe for decision making.
Nothing to do with Hepburn Council. It is Victrack land.
If that was the case then they would have already started the project
@@darylatkinson8802Council leases the land off Victrack. Today you need to research the visitor demographics, their time, attraction travel movements and work backwards to operate a railway to match what they are prepared to do. Not think let's extend the railway and more will use it. You need short interesting shuttles with a variety of activities each end.
@@darylatkinson8802Today unfortunately relaying track is not straight forward or even lifting it for a railtrail, (see Castlemaine Maryborough Railtrail Groups half million dollar State Government grant recently for consultants). The forest if not private, is Vic Forest Managed. Then DWELP have a say and the SES, CFA, ONRSR, local indigenous representatives, local council, residents and stake holders, etc etc etc. ...... So back in the 1960's and 70's you trundle along the track in an old D3 steam loco or Y class and no one gave two hoots.. no one wants the responsibility to say; 'YES'.
@@rsinclair6560 Quote: *"Nothing to do with Hepburn Council. It is Victrack land."*
As usual a commenter that hasn't watched all the vid. It's best to fact check before commenting (so one doesn't have to backtrack in order to save face).
In fact it isn't Victrack land or Victrack decisions holding up the project at all.
The video very clearly mentions that Victrack is supportive, then, "Beyond Kangaroo Ck held by Hepburn council."
The vid then goes on to say, "At this stage we haven't had a positive response from council."
Fellow volunteer Richard then states, "The only thing preventing us from starting the extension to Lyonville is in fact the council."
An extension to Trentham would be magnificent, even better if you can make it through to Woodend 👏👍
Looks great best of luck 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🏴🏴🏴
Hopefully some day heritage trains will run beyond Trentham and back to Woodend
Extension to Lyonville and Trentham will be great as Victrack always left over used concrete sleepers can be re used as tourist railways.
Would love to see it come to Trentham, and hopefully link to Woodend or Kyneton. allowing people to get to Daylesford by train would be great for tourism and the area.
When will you operate a steam locomotive any possibllety
Having a steam loco would really draw in the crowds!
It would take years to get one running on the line, I don't think any railway is gonna sell a working one and restoring one can take years
Too costly and too much maintenance.
No! This railway runs railmotors and that is its specialty along with its location. Yes they might run a loco hauled N set, but they do not need a steam engine.
Steam is costly to maintain and needs suitably qualified operators. Fuel might also be an issue. (DSCR has enough problems with bush fires.)
I am a steam enthusiast and was a volunteer steam fireman for over 20 years on a tourist railway.
@Kevin-go2dw We used 707 to haul two Melbourne Grammar School Bluestone Orchestra Tours over the last two years, and they have stated that sourcing and paying for coal is getting harder and harder to do reliably. So short answer is to avoid wood or coal fired Steam if possible. Having the Railmotors is a point of difference with other tourist lines.
@@markfryer9880 R707?
Great Job ! but not surprised that the council is as usual the problem as they are all across Victoria !
And the elections will contribute to any delay too.
Exactly we have the Same problem down at diamond valley miniature railway we’ve proposed plans for an extension in the past (mainly to the oval across the car park from us) but from what I’ve heard they denied it because it’ll require a level crossing
Has the Hepburn Council given a reason why they would not approve the extension ? I'm pretty sure Hepburn businesses would welcome it.
@@johnrobinson3069They hold that section lease from Victrack.
@@johnrobinson3069Hepburn is booming generally seven days a week. Maldon gets busy Saturday and half of Sunday. But the railway is not attractive or interested to most visitors. They will spent $60 to $100 per couple at Cliffy's Cafe 200 metres down the road.
Btw if you guys ever need another vic rail tractor I know where you can get one
Does the N set from V/line still get used and what days does it run as I would like to come and ride on them
Total lost why a railway through forest and bush would want passengers to be enclosed in carriages that windows cannot be opened and need air conditioning?
I wouldn't mind someone explaining why the Castemaine Maryborough Railtrail Group recieved $120,000 to conduct a survey and another $400000 via State Governent under The Enabling Tourism Program. That is over half a million dollars, not one dollar goes into actual civil works, lifting rail or disposing of ballast but goes to consultancy? Yet Maryborough is now connected to the national standard gauge rail system, Victorian ports and road grain haulage breaking up Hepburn and Central Goldfields Shire roads, yet Moorlort grain silos abandoned? So maybe Daylesford railway needs to ask Enabling Tourism to grant 1/2 million dollars for consulting contractors for future extension?
There's no parking in Daylesford. A train there is the answer!
Pity that the council is anti- tourist!
No they are not anti tourism. It is Victrack land. Daylesford is tourism.
No point extending. Tourism is an industry and not a one Sunday a week hobby for volunteers. Yes busy market day with for rail motor trips carry capacity 44. At $22 a ticket considering no family ticket issued (unlikely) that $15488 a month. The railway is dead closed six days a week. However 200 meters down the road Cliffy's Cafe has atleast 25 cars parked out six days a week. Average 2 persons spending $60 to $80 per hour at productive 6 hours that is minimum $9000 'a day that is $216000 a month. They have sold 600 coffee's and 400 plate ups in one day.
You're comparing a railway to a cafe? 😂 If Sunday volunteers can't run a successful tourist venture, why is Puffing Billy such a tourism icon?
these are heritage railways, not tourist railways. the whole point of DSCR existing is to preserve and recreate how the line looked like back when it was still in revenue operation, and part of that is restoring as much of the alignment as they can. if these railways only did it for the tourism puffing billy would have probably stopped at menzies creek
@@maddyg3208population density, outer suburb of Melbourne, society began in 1950's. Massive tourist international visitor number by coach. Four million people at their door step. The suburban system terminates at Belgrave. .The whole trip return to Gembrook is unpopular with families too long. It is a unique way to travel sitting on the carriage ledge nowhere in the world is this done. Interesting track and motive power. Interesting family friendly multi activity at Lakeside. And financially boosted by State Government appropriations.
@@comengshTherefore no tax payer funded grants to support a hobby instead contributing to the economy and tourism industry. Just play trains. However if you want serious income it needs to be more than a train and get people to stop.
@@maddyg3208 Puffing Billy is a success in my opinion because of its location. End of the suburban railway and on multiple bus routes so it is easy to get to Belgrave. From 1975 the railway extended to Lakeside giving access to Emerald Lake Park. So it was easy to get to and had a great destination. Since 1975 much has happened to expand the railway, first the Emerald Railway Tourist Board and then the Puffing Billy Railway to operate the railway with paid staff and volunteers. Being part of bus tours and running seven days a week has contributed to its success. Finding volunteers to fill all positions can and will be a challenge, hence there is paid staff.
Every volunteer railway needs to start somewhere before it extends, and DSCR is no different. Remember it used to be trolley rides before reaching Musk.
The only way you will get Council go ahead for this extension is to PAY THEM OFF I,have dealt with four different councils in the past and the all responded to my '"""donations""" if you get my meaning