He is so talkative in those tapes, seems so happy to be able to just talk to someone. It makes me sad that he trust so many people that ended up betraying him..
@@SamizzleFrizzly two things: read the screenplay that wasn’t admissible “and he looked at his mothers pale dead face” and watch Lyle’s gf’s testimony. None of you will be on their side 😂trust me.
@@joes.4149you know she literally lied about it she kept changing the word and dates and then she didn’t remember things lol, that’s literally her ex lol, if they put yo ex in a court you getting fucked because she’s not gonna talk about the good things specially if you broke up with her like Lyle did
@@adriennemiller.music.it's not possible. the letter was written in june, and erik didn't start talking of sexual abuse to dr vicary until august, and lyle even longer. and behind that, the letter was initally even used against them in court in 1992
@@adriennemiller.music.so they are that much of a criminal minds but they talked to oziel they are that good but lyle talked to norma they are that good but crime scene was a mess they didnt think about gloeves or shels they had gün shot powder on their hands when police was there they left evidence in the car next to the house They done all this stupid mistakes but you belive they are great liars and great criminal minds yeah make sense yall are just stupid at this point
@adriennemiller.music. can't you just accept that sexual abuse on males exists and that they have experienced it? today there is a lot of evidence and testimonies that the father was a terrible person, but at the time something like that was just not digestible, especially father and son
@@YoursTrulyStackzz the issue if people took it as the truth which it was nothin like the truth , and people will hate the brothers for nohing and feel sympathy towards sexual abusers jose and kitty 🙂
I think the portrayal was more accurate than you'd like to admit. Lyle being egotistical and abrasive doesn't detract from the fact that he was a victim and was justified in killing his parents, because I believe that he was. He shouldn't have to be a perfect, quiet, respectful boy to deserve our sympathy.
@@simrankaur-er3kh i studied the trial and i listen to norma's recorded calls from lyle nothing was accurate lyle wasn't like he was portrayed at all , he would never talk to jose like he was in the show the shouting and the cursing!!! the trial made it very clear u won't say that to jose without being beaten , the one time lyle said shut up to jose lyle had a scar over his mouth uptill the trial !!! , they didn't plan the killing from THE BILLIONAIRE BOYS CLUB , oh and erik wasn't stupid nor GAY . I know what l'm talking about
Can't trust anyone?? Lol he put a shotgun to his mom's face and pulled the trigger as in his own words she was "collateral damage" He knew she was recording him. He wanted to write a book before his attorney wrote one. He would call 5 days a week right after court. Sometimes I would answer and chat for a minute. He had to act surprised when his attorney found out about the calls but he knew all along he was being recorded.. So no, no "shame on her"
@@donttellmom1That's exactly what I think, they premeditated the parents' crime, so how did he not know that the prison calls were not recorded? People are so naive. Yes, I Well, I admit that when I first saw the case I was moved by their tears. But after I saw the entire trial on TH-cam, so I can't believe anymore Psychopaths have this genius for making people feel manipulated.
@@cuidese8790 psycopaths aren't born psycopaths. they are almost always victims of abuse. so, basically everyone is right. Their parents were probably abusive monsters who created murderous monsters.
Why did they portray him as a hot headed lunatic in the Netflix show? He sounds very calm and level headed here and in all other calls/interviews? Am I missing something?
No…you’re not missing anything..his female cousin was outraged by the portrayal of Lyle…she says that he is the complete opposite of what is shown in the movie..so I would rather rely on her rather than Ryan Murphy…
actually erik was the one who got lyle involved with the plan because he was still living with the abuse while lyle was out living his own life. maybe do some real research instead of just watching that diagraceful tv show @joes.4149
@@joes.4149yeah, sure…if it wasn’t for his brother Lyle wouldn’t be in prison….And please stop blaming these guys for the sins that their parents committed…The brothers didn’t r*pe anybody..their parents did…
@@AuroraAnderson1 That and this audio is likely edited, cutting out unnecessary filler and splicing it all together. You can clearly hear one or two cuts throughout, but there's probably at least a couple more.
Or you know using shotguns to kill your parents for money is disgusting and then coming up with a damning lie that couldn't hold weight in court is disgusting
@@sxcrawniestno because she have been sexually /physically/mentally abused by her parents too and she is silent and that's why she cannot see people supporting this two brother.. because she loves her monster fucker/rapists parents 😂
I don't fucking know why is she soo obsessed with proving the brothers wrong..there must be a reason for this psychopath..and she has a baby in her dp..we must be very careful of such humans..Who knows maybe she does the same with the innocent cutiepie in the photo??? These people must be investigated
@tsepodiniso6840 🤣🤣🤣 "I need fucking dimes. Rolls of it!" And him just going around asking for it, it was just so funny. 😂 your comment is hilarious though. I wonder that myself. How many dimes did it cost him for that long conversation 🤣🤣🤣
@justingreen7984 they didn't kill for money. They spent money after the murders, but one thing had nothing to do with the other. They were abused and treated like a science experiment. Should they have murdered their parents,...of course not.......but Lyle and Eric would have to be the greatest actors in the history of the world if they weren't telling the truth. Most people hear about the killings and hear it was for the money, and that they lied about finding the parents dead.......and that's it, case closed.
I wonder how those people who called Lyle a jerk because of netflix, would feel right now. This is nothing like it was portraited. It was a great show, but far from reality.
@@joes.4149 but this part is true. If it wasn't for erik telling Dr Oziel, they would still be free. But it's not like the show, with all that yelling and cursing. But also I was thinking that there were several calls. Maybe the show made a copilation of calls... I don',t know...
@@Supercarioca all the recordings are the same way….there are fragments where he talks about musical instruments and that he played piano and violin etc….There is really not much information on those tapes…he is quite consistent with his story when it comes to the killings….
When I saw clips of Nicholas Chavez as Lyle Menendez I wondered why he was so aggressive but in reality I forget Lyle does have a no bullshit attitude in contrast with Erik's gentle and careful tone .... I love their different personalities ...... I mean it also makes sense for the eldest brother to be more confrontational and protective while the younger sibling is a lot more timid and gentle ...
Lol you don't know if the parents did that or not... I know people who've really been hurt by SA and off emotions alone it doesn't seem creditable from these brothers 🤷🏾
No but seriously the majority of the internet defending dead PD FILES is concerning. They really showing more empathy for them than children who were SA’d by them.
@@justingreen7984Why should they get that right? The dad raped them both. The brothers knew they did it, so there was no defending needed, because they knew the rape happened
The movie Monsters was one of the saddest TV series I have ever watched since I can relate. Gypsy Rose walked out of prison after 10 years. The Menendez brothers are still in prison despite there being so much evidence of them having experienced severe sexual abuse for years. This doesn't seem right; the justice system is broken.
They killed their parents in such a horrific and brutal way, plus the lies, and the parties after the murder.. they should stay in jail. Nobody should feel sorry for these 2 scumbags.
This does back to the “perfect victim”. If you listen closely to what Lyle is sharing, he is actually proving that the family was problematic and that he could only trust his brother. Here’s the thing about trauma… in order to survive, sometimes survivors literally break their psyche and save the trauma so that their bodies can exist on a daily basis. I don’t think that what he says is the problem, but the communication style which to outsiders may read as “callous”. If only they would have been sweet young white girls constantly crying, believe me… they would have been found “not guilty”.
Bingo to that last part. Just because they were gritty and foul mouthed survivors shouldn’t mean they deserved less sympathy than if they were meek crying girls. Unfortunately, society thinks that if you’re not crying and shriveled up in a corner, then your trauma wasn’t that bad. Men suffer in silence when it comes to abuse… until they snap and kill someone.
@@edgeGabe not playing any game. Have you ever worked with victims of sexual or domestic abuse? Have you ever seeing a minor being rescued from being sexually trafficked? I have. And let me tell you, life is not like in the movies. Many times the entire judicial system has a hard time with victims who don’t come off as vulnerable and weak. If a survivor laughs when retelling a traumatic event, they are questioned. In reality people create walls to allow themselves to continue existing. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, I urge you to at least research about it. Do you know what the prosecutor said in the Menendez case about them? “Men cannot be raped since they lack the equipment to be raped”. The prosecutor was a woman.
They are far from perfect. The victims have a long history of criminal behavior-cheating in school, breaking into homes, and stealing jewelry worth over $100k from their neighbors and even from own mother. These Rich white boys got away with it because of their father’s money and influence. But this time, Daddy can't come to save them.
For one thing, he doesn't sound remorseful at all. He sounds like an indignant brat. Worst of all, though, he blatantly admits that he didn't kill his parents in self-defense.
@@user-kb8qw7dy4twhere do you hear that from him? He does admit that he was afraid and overreacted and wished he had waited couple of days to see whether there was any threat….He believed at that particular moment that he was going to be killed..later on after learning about other details during the trial he saw that he overreacted…..People sometimes make very emotional decisions when they are in a very anxious state and don’t think clearly…Don’t say you have never made irrational decisions and later regretted them…The difference is that his irrational reaction led to 2 murders, which hopefully doesn’t happen in every day life.
@@user-kb8qw7dy4tbecause it’s not technically self defense. The parents weren’t attacking them in the moment. It was psychological disdain & passionate anger lashing out. & He doesn’t need to be remorseful. Even after killing them. They did disgusting things to those men. Remorse isn’t necessary here. Doesn’t mean they’ll reoffend. It’s a very niche situation. It’s not black & white.
@@ashtree333 "It was psychological disdain & passionate anger lashing out," which is technically murder. Also, this is an incredibly ironic statement: "He doesn’t need to be remorseful. Even after killing them. They did disgusting things to those men. Remorse isn’t necessary here. ... It’s a very niche situation. It’s not black & white."
Overreacted? Makes me sad to think he feels or felt this way. I would've done the same..... what happened to them is beyond disturbing. Free these men! ---- The Erik part about the letter was actually funny the way he said it hehe
@@Itskrystaaal see there you go... no concrete proof of that, you kid.. you're not even old enough to have this conversation go back to your playstation Arthur Morgan
@@justingreen7984 I’m not a kid dummy 😂 there is proof and nobody just snaps like that for no reason and it was mentioned to others before the murder even happened.
@@Itskrystaaal it was mentioned.. but you obliviously don't know what "insufficient evidence" means... also kind of hard to take the word of two murderers especially when they are trying to blame their victims for the themselves pulling trigger... your accusations are "alleged" and me calling them murderers well that's "irrefutable" evidence. See the difference?
What's funny to me is how all these people saying Lyle and Erik made the abuse up and killed their parents bc of greed - seriously, if they had planned these murders and were these calculating people yall claim them to be - why the hell were they both so gullible that they got their private confessions taped left and right? Confession tapes from therapist, private conversations taped from this Norma lady, private letters caught by prison security. You're telling me these were people capable of planning to murder their parents for MONEY - but at the same time they're okay with yapping about everything on tapes and letters? Sorry, but if you are cold hearted enough to kill for money you won't be dumb to be trusting these strangers with your private thoughts. They were way too eager to trust the wrong people. This persona of "greedy, calculating murderers" that people try to pin on them bc they won't believe the horrific abuse happened just doesn't add up with their actions. You'll always expect from others what you have inside - so a greedy person would also suspect others to be greedy, a calculating person would suspect others to be calculating etc. Yet you have these two brothers BOTH committing the same dumb mistake of trusting random strangers and telling them all their thoughts and agree to being recorded. And it wasn't even to brag about their crimes - which psychopaths like to do, for example - but it was to, one, confess bc Erik was suicidal with guilt, and, two, to have someone to talk to bc of loneliness in Lyle's case with Norma. The narrative of them killing their parents for money just doesn't add up when you observe how they acted...
@@ju3041 Lyle’s gf testified on the stand (go watch it) that shortly after his arrest he had her go to the law library and get cases for him of child molestation and cases where kids killed their parents and got off. “When he confessed and said it was because of abuse I asked why didn’t you just leave and he said because Erik didn’t want to”
@@aidafaupl4733 they were afraid of their parents but under the moms dead body were the ucla enrollment and parking pass enrollment papers she was filling out that night for Erik. What for if they were gonna kill them 😂🤣🤣🤣
@@joes.4149 and this just further proves that it wasn't a very well thought out plan because if so, he would've looked this stuff up before the shooting or before the arrest. It just shows they did what they did out of panic, maybe irrational panic, but they were out of their minds with fear. After everything happened and he was even possibly getting a death sentence, he wanted to read up on similar cases, stuff that any lawyer does as well to prepare a case. That isn't incriminating at all
I have so much respect for Lyle. He was a big brother everyone needed. They were not given a fair trial and they deserve to be freed this year. I signed the petition to free them.
I think Netflix portraying it the complete opposite was horrible but it made me want to search up what he actually said on these tapes which is what I think it’s purpose was bc now we are all aware
It's crazy how both brothers made the same mistake. Erik spilled his guts to his psychologist, which led to their arrest. Then Lyle confided in a woman he thought he could trust, and she ended up ruining his case in the second trial. He didn’t even testify at the second trial because of the tapes. Life is so ironic!
Their father had been threatening to kill them for years if they spoke of the abuse to anyone. Just one example was him chopping the head off the family dog and putting it in the freezer for them to find as boys. The ‘mirror time’ sounds horrific as well. They had been living in fear their whole lives. When Lyle said he was done protecting his monster of a father because he found out he was still abusing his brother, the sick bastard clearly would have gone to any length to keep his abuse of little boys a secret. Any man that rapes young children much less his sons is obviously a sick psychopath, so it’s not far fetched at all that they thought their parents might kill them for standing up to them or speaking out.
Finally someone with common sense…I would compare his father with the likes of Teddy Bundy…Saying that Jose Menendez wasn’t capable of murder is like saying Tedd Bundy never killed anyone…Yeah,right….
@@Tony_3XLyou don’t even know how they were feeling. Lyle even said himself, runaway? And then what? Wait to he killed in a parking lot one day by someone his dad hired to kill them? Their dad was a very powerful man who wouldn’t want them ruining what he built.
Stop confusing the show with reality. Based on true events. Based on a true story is not the true story. Simple. They’re allowed to co exist. You want real, watch the trial and documentaries with the real footage and witness accounts. The entire trial is online.
@@Retro_DiscoI mean Lyle keeps his feelings within and he is less emotional and taught to suppress his emotions from an early age by his father I’m sure he did feel guilty just not guilty enough to let himself get caught
This is so interesting! Is there anymore of the Norma tapes? They are hard to find since she recorded without permission but they are interesting to listen to
Uhh no, he knew she was recording him. He wanted to write a book. My mom thought it'd be easier if they just recorded the info instead of writing it. He would call daily like 5 minutes after court ended. The book never blew up because OJ was happening by then.
Shame on this woman Norma, who pretended to be his friend, spoke to him for hours, visited him in jail - while all the time she recorded him with the intent to release it and make money. He was obviously betrayed by her. Life did not do justice to these brothers. Poor Lyle, he is yappy- just imagine how badly he wanted to chat and share his thoughts with someone innocently but didn’t realise it would cost him so many years of his life 😢
no because you know... anytime you take the right to life from someone by murder and then accuse them of alleged improper behavior... well that's gonna fall on itself because the foundation of your argument begins with murder... sorry everyone has the right to a trial in this country, and when you play judge, jury and executioner then you're gonna lose in court if Justice is upheld
@@simplyme1678 alleged and even he did, did he ever go to trial for that? oh wait no because his two sons gunned him down in his living room with shotguns at point blank range... sorry you don't get to play judge, jury and executioner then try to use alleged assault by your victims in your defense because you at this point took their right to due process under the law away from them... facts not feelings
@justingreen7984 and the FACTS are there is new evidence that their father was the monster that he was and they are more then likely gonna be released from prison and its been a fact if u actually watched the first trial there were literally witnesses to their abuse 😌so like I said....FREE THEM!🗣
@@simplyme1678 Sympathy is good, but we don't release people just because we feel sorry for them. That's not how it works. They were 18 and 21. They know that murder is wrong. They chose to do it (I personally believe for financial gain). Let us think before we act.
He sounds real sweet. The show monsters portrayed Lyle completely different. He sounds calm when he speaks. That show really tried to portray them as evil.
Man, why’d they gotta make this dude in the movie look like some hard-headed junkie on cocaine and all that? You listen to the real Lyle Menendez and he’s actually a straight-up smart, sincere guy in real life.
These poor boys r strong victims! What they went thru would have destroyed me yet they had the strength to off their predators themselves and try to live life
@@marieh1755 Lyle’s ex had him get case copies of child molestation and ones where “kids killed their parents and got off” shortly after they hired the attorneys 😂🤣go watch her testimony. She has no reason to lie.
No one but their families are the only people who can make any kind of assessment on wether or not they’re telling the truth because obviously they were apart of their lives and the people in these comments aren’t and last time I checked their family members believed them so that tells you all u need to know about this case.
the only things good about the Netflix show are: the music choices, the beautiful and talented actors, the fact that people are now looking at the REAL tapes and audios because they became curious. but also, yes, Ryan Murphy is gross. and it's vile that the boys were so se*ualised in the show, after being victims of child s/a.
I’ve read some comments where some are suggesting they should have run away and didn’t because they enjoyed their riches and luxury life. To them: please, when children come from privileged families, they are hugely controlled by their parents; the parents have eyes on them everywhere and anywhere they go. If the father threatened and the mother kept quiet knowing her sons were being sexually abused by her husband, it was a very scary situation for the boys. They still were children of the parents and they had this real sense of fear for their parents. Living luxuriously was a way to live and it had to be done that way because the parents also needed to show the world they are providing so much for them and they were rich. So it became a habit for these boys to live in this way, doesn’t justify why they should have tolerated abuse. They were passively enduring and suffering and from fear they got aggressive and decided to kill- impulsive decision because they wanted to be free from toxic lives and live freely. Who wouldn’t want that? Well we will say- we wouldn’t have done that, but guess what we weren’t in their place so we really don’t know how we would have reacted. They were always shouted at, humiliated and raped by their dad and molested emotionally by mother as well so they had no sense of security and people act in desperate and violent ways to survive. I am not justifying murder - parricide! I am just telling you they couldn’t have run away if they ran away and if their story is true, one day or the other they would have been killed to be shut off forever so their parents’ abuse wouldn’t be exposed.
any one who saw the show was accurate watch the trial or read rob rand's book or the defense is ready by Leslie Abramson their attorney , and after that u'll find the show was faar from the truth not just Lyle's portrayal but the whole story was fake and not accurate at all .
It’s not a documentary. The show is states it’s BASED on true events, the rest is left to creative interpretation. The way it was written was showing all possibilities/theories of what may have happened. They show the pov of the brothers claims, another pov was those that think they’re guilty and the parents innocent, and then the rumors in between (for example, Erik being gay or the brothers incest).
Let these guys out already. They’re obviously not insane. They obviously were abused by that asshole of a father and they are obviously not going to get out and kill other people. They did their time.
He never said that. He says here that the jury believed him because he got so emotional. That was completely misconstrued and people said he’s saying he lied and faked his wll emotions on the stand. How is that in any way what he says here? Of course he wants to be believed - he was facing the death penalty. He’s literally saying “I couldn’t have faked that” essentially, but no, the media took these tapes and misconstrued what he said. You know how the media works - something will be misconstrued and portrayed as fact and everyone will believe it because nobody cares enough to be curious and fact check things. The way it was portrayed in the Monsters series was appallingly inaccurate, just like every other fact of the show. They had his former best friend, Donovan Goodreau, on tape admitting to Robert Rand (a journalist) that Lyle had told him about his sexual abuse before the murders. Donovan denied this when he testified for the prosecution, but Lyle’s attorneys played him the tape in court where he can be heard saying it. Donovan still denied it.
I believe the abuse no doubt and i think they killed them because of the abuse but i think money was an added incentive. They probably felt thats the least the parents could do was leave them money.
@alizehustle9385 an aunt, two cousins, a friend and a member of Menudo confirmed the abuse, he just came forward not to long ago and stated he was SA too
If you are abused by a parent you have emotional and mental problems caused by the abuse so we can make judgements on their behaviour but they were probably in a survival flight or fight mode all the time. They have spent most of theirs lives in prison the case should be reviewed especially since a other man has come forward who was raped by their father when he was a boy.
Roy Rosselló spoke about the abuse in the documentary, where he was incentivized to participate. Even if he really was abused, It can't prove the brothers were also abused.
This dont sound nothings like the Netflix series's, 18 and 21 yeara old just kids yes old enough for some things , but at that age you believe all kids of stuff , i don't blame them for doing what they did how can i judge thwm if i dont know how it feels to just be sexually abuse by some one and been done by his parent is got to be way worse, i really hope this 2 man come out soon , a man like his father's with so much power i would be scared and confused , how could they not look happy after their abusers were gone buying things feelings free and they deserved the money after so much suffering money would not erase those terrible memories.
one of the biggest differences from reality and the monsters series is how lyle is portrayed. the netflix series portrays him as a “patrick bateman” character. a psychopathic snob that has no empathy for anyone else. but based off the trial and this call, he just sounds like a normal dude that was going through some hard sh*t.
netflix doesn't portray him like this. maybe in part, but you are wrong. the anger that is raging in Lyle on the show is because of the pain of the abuse. and he is also portrayed as very loving to Erik, so its not white and black at all on the show, as it wasn't in reality. this is just one short phone call, you don't know how he behaved in private or outside of it. so don't be ridiculous. also, TV show is always only based on real events, and fictionalized, not a documentary.
For some reason after knowing what I know now, looking at actual footage and words spoken from their mouths. It’s nothing like to the series, that series is for self gain to those who need to paint their own narrative. I really feel for them. They made a really really bad choice and that will never go unnoticed. I wish other steps were taken but I definitely believe sexual abuse was apart of their home. These were wealthy people who didn’t want for anything. This is definitely NOT about money, I believe trauma drove them to their mental illness which impaired their way of thinking. I’m sure lessons were learned. They were so young when they did this. They were tossed in jail like trash when really the guys needed deep therapy, a hug for fuck sake. They have missed so much of the world, prison might be where it’s safer for them. I want them out too but they’ve been detached from the outside world since the 80s. It’s no telling what their mental state would be after a release.
He is so talkative in those tapes, seems so happy to be able to just talk to someone. It makes me sad that he trust so many people that ended up betraying him..
Facts I belive them 💯
🤔 Interesting how he mentioned, "the killing," completely void of emotion ! 😬
@@SteelMagnolia777Do u want him to have a full on break down
@@SteelMagnolia777 it is called “disassociation” a phycological term for matters like this. Fully corresponds to the context
He seems to think they have a fighting chance. the wins in court would have been so encouraging.
This is not like the Netflix show AT ALL. Wow they really tried to portray them negatively in the show.
Well…they did k!ll ppl lol
Ya they made him look like a Patrick Bateman type in the movie
@@SamizzleFrizzly two things: read the screenplay that wasn’t admissible “and he looked at his mothers pale dead face” and watch Lyle’s gf’s testimony. None of you will be on their side 😂trust me.
Faux, c’est grâce à la série de Netflix que j’ai compris que les frères étaient des victimes. Arrêtez de déformer la réalité de la série
@@joes.4149you know she literally lied about it she kept changing the word and dates and then she didn’t remember things lol, that’s literally her ex lol, if they put yo ex in a court you getting fucked because she’s not gonna talk about the good things specially if you broke up with her like Lyle did
Lyle saved his brother. Period. He probably saved alot of other kids.
Yes.
@@nicolebenson4517 Lyle is really 💪💪💪
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He did. He's a good man.
He didn’t. There’s no evidence to back that up
"It was such a nice letter" ✨✨✨✨✨
erik was so sentimental, lyle is cutie yapper 😂😂
ooor they just agreed beforehand that he is gonna keep it so they find it in the hope of using it as evidence of the alleged abuse
@@adriennemiller.music.it's not possible. the letter was written in june, and erik didn't start talking of sexual abuse to dr vicary until august, and lyle even longer. and behind that, the letter was initally even used against them in court in 1992
@@idkkk007 You wrote nothing that would make my statement impossible 😃
@@adriennemiller.music.so they are that much of a criminal minds but they talked to oziel they are that good but lyle talked to norma they are that good but crime scene was a mess they didnt think about gloeves or shels they had gün shot powder on their hands when police was there they left evidence in the car next to the house
They done all this stupid mistakes but you belive they are great liars and great criminal minds yeah make sense yall are just stupid at this point
@adriennemiller.music. can't you just accept that sexual abuse on males exists and that they have experienced it? today there is a lot of evidence and testimonies that the father was a terrible person, but at the time something like that was just not digestible, especially father and son
So if u listen closely he wasn't cursing 70 times in a scentence like the monsters portrayed him🤡😡
@@YoursTrulyStackzz the issue if people took it as the truth which it was nothin like the truth , and people will hate the brothers for nohing and feel sympathy towards sexual abusers jose and kitty 🙂
@@ibelivethemenendezbrothersOr hopefully do their research. I know I did. I didn't just take it all at face value. It was quite sensational.
yup thats ryan alright,... exaggerating as usual... MONSTERS had that old skool style and humour from his nip/tuck days
I think the portrayal was more accurate than you'd like to admit. Lyle being egotistical and abrasive doesn't detract from the fact that he was a victim and was justified in killing his parents, because I believe that he was. He shouldn't have to be a perfect, quiet, respectful boy to deserve our sympathy.
@@simrankaur-er3kh i studied the trial and i listen to norma's recorded calls from lyle nothing was accurate lyle wasn't like he was portrayed at all , he would never talk to jose like he was in the show the shouting and the cursing!!! the trial made it very clear u won't say that to jose without being beaten , the one time lyle said shut up to jose lyle had a scar over his mouth uptill the trial !!! , they didn't plan the killing from THE BILLIONAIRE BOYS CLUB , oh and erik wasn't stupid nor GAY . I know what l'm talking about
Nobody: ...
Lyle : OHHH MY GODDD 😂
Lmao
he is such chatter...😀
Why is he so funny 😭 certified yapper
lmaoo i love this generation
@@OnlyGiraffea generation of uneducated horny teenagers trying to free murderers
Fr he mouthing off 22 hours lata😂😂😂😂
3:12 when he said "scandalous" like- 😭😭
I heard Norma asked to record the calls bc she couldn’t keep up with taking notes, now I see why 😅
LOL he is so funny, especially when he talks about how Erik kept the letter. you can feel he's just a human being, with a sense of humour.
You're pathetic
so what i am getting from this is that lyle is a certified yapper and erik is a certified lover boy, keeping the letters and sentimental shit
lmaoooooo
BYE
STOP
Certified lover boy? 😳 Not like that.
😂😂😂
Man these guys can’t trust anyone. Everyone has betrayed them including their parents. Shame on her for recording this.
Can't trust anyone?? Lol he put a shotgun to his mom's face and pulled the trigger as in his own words she was "collateral damage" He knew she was recording him. He wanted to write a book before his attorney wrote one. He would call 5 days a week right after court. Sometimes I would answer and chat for a minute. He had to act surprised when his attorney found out about the calls but he knew all along he was being recorded.. So no, no "shame on her"
@@donttellmom1That's exactly what I think, they premeditated the parents' crime, so how did he not know that the prison calls were not recorded? People are so naive. Yes, I Well, I admit that when I first saw the case I was moved by their tears. But after I saw the entire trial on TH-cam, so I can't believe anymore Psychopaths have this genius for making people feel manipulated.
@@cuidese8790 psycopaths aren't born psycopaths. they are almost always victims of abuse. so, basically everyone is right. Their parents were probably abusive monsters who created murderous monsters.
@@donttellmom1”sometimes I would answer and chat for a minute “ , what do you mean you chatted with him!!??
@@donttellmom1and what did his father put in him?
It’s the way he says “Oh my god”😂😭
This is not like the movie at all …
Absolutely not.
it wasn’t a movie
@@DebraEastwood 💀💀
because their lives weren’t a movie, they adapted the case to fit their series instead of actually telling the truth
the movie left so much out lied for drama sake and over did a lot it wasn't cool
Why did they portray him as a hot headed lunatic in the Netflix show? He sounds very calm and level headed here and in all other calls/interviews? Am I missing something?
No…you’re not missing anything..his female cousin was outraged by the portrayal of Lyle…she says that he is the complete opposite of what is shown in the movie..so I would rather rely on her rather than Ryan Murphy…
Netflix show s are made to make money not to tell the truth.
In the 1980s anyone who talked like that would be seen as a jerk.
Fucking Ryan Murphy
@@Retro_Discowe're you in the 80s?
Whew he likes to talk!... No wonder Erik is so quiet. 😅
Lol
He gaslighted and convinced his lil bro to do anything he wanted
😂😂😂
actually erik was the one who got lyle involved with the plan because he was still living with the abuse while lyle was out living his own life. maybe do some real research instead of just watching that diagraceful tv show
@joes.4149
@@joes.4149yeah, sure…if it wasn’t for his brother Lyle wouldn’t be in prison….And please stop blaming these guys for the sins that their parents committed…The brothers didn’t r*pe anybody..their parents did…
Gosh Lyle doesn't stop to take a breath!
They can only talk for so many minutes
Most men in prison are😂😂😂
@@AuroraAnderson1 That and this audio is likely edited, cutting out unnecessary filler and splicing it all together. You can clearly hear one or two cuts throughout, but there's probably at least a couple more.
don't blame him only 5 minutes per dime lol
😂 He's just trying to make the most of the few minutes hes got, so has to speak fast, no pauses. It's funny tho 😊
He sounds so nice and it seems like they lived through hell.
The girl taping him also betrayed him
And is disgusting
Or you know using shotguns to kill your parents for money is disgusting and then coming up with a damning lie that couldn't hold weight in court is disgusting
@@justingreen7984do you have something you need to tell someone? why are you repeating yourself 💀
@@justingreen7984are u sick ?
@@sxcrawniestno because she have been sexually /physically/mentally abused by her parents too and she is silent and that's why she cannot see people supporting this two brother.. because she loves her monster fucker/rapists parents 😂
I don't fucking know why is she soo obsessed with proving the brothers wrong..there must be a reason for this psychopath..and she has a baby in her dp..we must be very careful of such humans..Who knows maybe she does the same with the innocent cutiepie in the photo??? These people must be investigated
How many dimes did this call cost 😂😂
Bruh you wrong for that
@@MariaDonkovait’s not that serious, did you watch Monsters ?
In the monsters on netlfix, that scene was hilarious, Lyle asking for dimes, rolls and rolls and rolls of dimes. 😂😂😂
@@JazzyJulesxox😂😂😂 it really was... Even calling his grandma a fucking moron for giving him 50 dollars instead of dimes😂😂😂
@tsepodiniso6840 🤣🤣🤣 "I need fucking dimes. Rolls of it!" And him just going around asking for it, it was just so funny. 😂 your comment is hilarious though. I wonder that myself. How many dimes did it cost him for that long conversation 🤣🤣🤣
3:57 Erik's younger sibling moment
Right
@@square4678 yall are dorks
@@joes.4149 boomer
😂😂😂
“It was a nice letter … and I forgot about it” sounds like the most sibling thing I ever heard
Netflix lied so much about these
yeh twisted them a little... they got the irrefutable facts right though
@justingreen7984 they didn't kill for money. They spent money after the murders, but one thing had nothing to do with the other.
They were abused and treated like a science experiment.
Should they have murdered their parents,...of course not.......but Lyle and Eric would have to be the greatest actors in the history of the world if they weren't telling the truth.
Most people hear about the killings and hear it was for the money, and that they lied about finding the parents dead.......and that's it, case closed.
Why are they so funny tho 😭
Girl the funniest people I know have trauma.
Because they were kids, my niece is 20 and the other one 17 i look at them and they still babys
@@Blondies.cat.oliviaThat is true..Look at Matthew Perry…one of the funniest people ever but sooo tormented…I think pain and humor come hand in hand..
I wonder how those people who called Lyle a jerk because of netflix, would feel right now. This is nothing like it was portraited. It was a great show, but far from reality.
agreed
Wait what? In this call he literally blames his brother for getting them in trouble 😂😂😂😂
@@joes.4149 but this part is true. If it wasn't for erik telling Dr Oziel, they would still be free. But it's not like the show, with all that yelling and cursing. But also I was thinking that there were several calls. Maybe the show made a copilation of calls... I don',t know...
@@Supercarioca all the recordings are the same way….there are fragments where he talks about musical instruments and that he played piano and violin etc….There is really not much information on those tapes…he is quite consistent with his story when it comes to the killings….
Like a f... movie! Terrible!
the OG Yapper
erik keeping the letter😭
“It’s just such a nice letter”😂
If u don’t mind. What was the letter about?
That letter was written for one reason only. And everyone knows why ….
@@Just_a_Mom53why?
I've not followed this case. Can you explain why please. I've only recently become interested in it. Thank you @@Just_a_Mom53
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the bit about Erik keeping the letter
Erik being passive aggressive.
@@EM-mw2qr Lyle, you mean
@@EM-mw2qrof course lyle is kind of aggressive.Cuz his Brother keeps fcking everything up
@@meemigemeemes7875 like frrrr!! They would never be caught if wasnt Erik, I just know Lyle thinks about this a lot lol
Yeah this definitely was not like the movie...
Lyle is so funny😂
Hilarious.
Spelled murderer wrong
@@LimePepper.414OH NAAAUUURRR NOT THE POOR DEAD PD FILES WHAT ON EARTH WILL WE DOOOO 🙄💀
@@torturedsouldepartment go be their pen pal… that’s about all you’re gonna do 😂
A psychopath murderer
When I saw clips of Nicholas Chavez as Lyle Menendez I wondered why he was so aggressive but in reality I forget Lyle does have a no bullshit attitude in contrast with Erik's gentle and careful tone .... I love their different personalities ......
I mean it also makes sense for the eldest brother to be more confrontational and protective while the younger sibling is a lot more timid and gentle ...
Dimes Dimes Dimes 👏👏 gets me every time 😂 sorry
I'm out of breath just listening to him talk 🤣
Dimes 👏 Dimes 👏 Dimes 👏 Dimes 👏
Some of you weirdos in this comment section need to stop defending their parents fr.
Lol you don't know if the parents did that or not... I know people who've really been hurt by SA and off emotions alone it doesn't seem creditable from these brothers 🤷🏾
No but seriously the majority of the internet defending dead PD FILES is concerning. They really showing more empathy for them than children who were SA’d by them.
You’re weird for defending cold blooded psychopaths, gullible and weirdo
@@torturedsouldepartmentno abuse, they made it up, he even confessed to Norma that there was no abuse, stop being so gullible
Literally when?@@limiaa744
I am a parent as well but I felt bad for them instead of their parents.
why? their parents didn't even get the right to defend themselves from allegations, at least the Menendez brothers were granted that
@@justingreen7984Why should they get that right? The dad raped them both. The brothers knew they did it, so there was no defending needed, because they knew the rape happened
@justingreen7984 there's evidence that their parents were nasty child abusers. Bye.
The 7 minutes ranting of OH MY GOD 🤣🤣🤣 I fucking love Lyle ❤️😆
The movie Monsters was one of the saddest TV series I have ever watched since I can relate. Gypsy Rose walked out of prison after 10 years. The Menendez brothers are still in prison despite there being so much evidence of them having experienced severe sexual abuse for years. This doesn't seem right; the justice system is broken.
They killed their parents in such a horrific and brutal way, plus the lies, and the parties after the murder.. they should stay in jail. Nobody should feel sorry for these 2 scumbags.
@@Glimax you obviously dont know the story, i respect opinions but your just wrong
@@zarkkyyyyyae Tell me exactly what is wrong about it. Enlightenment me 😊
@@zarkkyyyyyae nah he is right.i have been abused & i will never use my abuser's money like they did..
@@ns1208so? You didn’t they did and ? That’s mean they guilty?
Omg he is talking so muchhhhh😅😅, he really trusted her
Yes unfortunately she betrayed him
This does back to the “perfect victim”. If you listen closely to what Lyle is sharing, he is actually proving that the family was problematic and that he could only trust his brother. Here’s the thing about trauma… in order to survive, sometimes survivors literally break their psyche and save the trauma so that their bodies can exist on a daily basis. I don’t think that what he says is the problem, but the communication style which to outsiders may read as “callous”. If only they would have been sweet young white girls constantly crying, believe me… they would have been found “not guilty”.
Bingo to that last part. Just because they were gritty and foul mouthed survivors shouldn’t mean they deserved less sympathy than if they were meek crying girls. Unfortunately, society thinks that if you’re not crying and shriveled up in a corner, then your trauma wasn’t that bad. Men suffer in silence when it comes to abuse… until they snap and kill someone.
No. Don't play that game.
@@edgeGabe not playing any game. Have you ever worked with victims of sexual or domestic abuse? Have you ever seeing a minor being rescued from being sexually trafficked? I have. And let me tell you, life is not like in the movies. Many times the entire judicial system has a hard time with victims who don’t come off as vulnerable and weak. If a survivor laughs when retelling a traumatic event, they are questioned. In reality people create walls to allow themselves to continue existing. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, I urge you to at least research about it. Do you know what the prosecutor said in the Menendez case about them? “Men cannot be raped since they lack the equipment to be raped”. The prosecutor was a woman.
They are far from perfect. The victims have a long history of criminal behavior-cheating in school, breaking into homes, and stealing jewelry worth over $100k from their neighbors and even from own mother. These Rich white boys got away with it because of their father’s money and influence. But this time, Daddy can't come to save them.
@@TheSmokeweedathey did cry and snivel? It came across as fake. As did their claims.
I don’t understand how this was so damaging to the case.
For one thing, he doesn't sound remorseful at all. He sounds like an indignant brat. Worst of all, though, he blatantly admits that he didn't kill his parents in self-defense.
@@user-kb8qw7dy4twhere do you hear that from him? He does admit that he was afraid and overreacted and wished he had waited couple of days to see whether there was any threat….He believed at that particular moment that he was going to be killed..later on after learning about other details during the trial he saw that he overreacted…..People sometimes make very emotional decisions when they are in a very anxious state and don’t think clearly…Don’t say you have never made irrational decisions and later regretted them…The difference is that his irrational reaction led to 2 murders, which hopefully doesn’t happen in every day life.
@@aidafaupl4733 Lyle may be many things, but rational is definitely not one of them.
@@user-kb8qw7dy4tbecause it’s not technically self defense. The parents weren’t attacking them in the moment. It was psychological disdain & passionate anger lashing out. & He doesn’t need to be remorseful. Even after killing them. They did disgusting things to those men. Remorse isn’t necessary here. Doesn’t mean they’ll reoffend. It’s a very niche situation. It’s not black & white.
@@ashtree333 "It was psychological disdain & passionate anger lashing out," which is technically murder.
Also, this is an incredibly ironic statement: "He doesn’t need to be remorseful. Even after killing them. They did disgusting things to those men. Remorse isn’t necessary here. ... It’s a very niche situation. It’s not black & white."
Overreacted? Makes me sad to think he feels or felt this way. I would've done the same..... what happened to them is beyond disturbing. Free these men! ---- The Erik part about the letter was actually funny the way he said it hehe
you know what's disturbing? using shotguns on your unarmed parents and then claiming "Self Defense" that's really disturbing
@@justingreen7984what’s disturbing is abusing your kids sexually
@@Itskrystaaal see there you go... no concrete proof of that, you kid.. you're not even old enough to have this conversation go back to your playstation Arthur Morgan
@@justingreen7984 I’m not a kid dummy 😂 there is proof and nobody just snaps like that for no reason and it was mentioned to others before the murder even happened.
@@Itskrystaaal it was mentioned.. but you obliviously don't know what "insufficient evidence" means... also kind of hard to take the word of two murderers especially when they are trying to blame their victims for the themselves pulling trigger... your accusations are "alleged" and me calling them murderers well that's "irrefutable" evidence. See the difference?
Gay producer/writer Ryan Murphy should be jailed for turning their tragic story into one of his sick gay fantasies
I agree
agreed
They were sexually abused. Being gay is not the problem here
@@raym8845 yes it is, why turn a man, a straight man into a gay who lusts after his own sex? How is that not a problem ?
Except Erik out himself during his trial. You know information is free 😂😂
Well done on the thumbnail 👏
He is such a yapper😂 these boys are the purest souls and deserve to be free... I hope everyone finally sees that they were the victims all along😢
Seek help
nothing about them is pure
Bro is worst than the mob 😂
What's funny to me is how all these people saying Lyle and Erik made the abuse up and killed their parents bc of greed - seriously, if they had planned these murders and were these calculating people yall claim them to be - why the hell were they both so gullible that they got their private confessions taped left and right? Confession tapes from therapist, private conversations taped from this Norma lady, private letters caught by prison security.
You're telling me these were people capable of planning to murder their parents for MONEY - but at the same time they're okay with yapping about everything on tapes and letters? Sorry, but if you are cold hearted enough to kill for money you won't be dumb to be trusting these strangers with your private thoughts. They were way too eager to trust the wrong people. This persona of "greedy, calculating murderers" that people try to pin on them bc they won't believe the horrific abuse happened just doesn't add up with their actions. You'll always expect from others what you have inside - so a greedy person would also suspect others to be greedy, a calculating person would suspect others to be calculating etc. Yet you have these two brothers BOTH committing the same dumb mistake of trusting random strangers and telling them all their thoughts and agree to being recorded. And it wasn't even to brag about their crimes - which psychopaths like to do, for example - but it was to, one, confess bc Erik was suicidal with guilt, and, two, to have someone to talk to bc of loneliness in Lyle's case with Norma. The narrative of them killing their parents for money just doesn't add up when you observe how they acted...
@@ju3041 oh ..I love your comment!! Absolutely spot on!!
@@ju3041 Lyle’s gf testified on the stand (go watch it) that shortly after his arrest he had her go to the law library and get cases for him of child molestation and cases where kids killed their parents and got off. “When he confessed and said it was because of abuse I asked why didn’t you just leave and he said because Erik didn’t want to”
@@aidafaupl4733 they were afraid of their parents but under the moms dead body were the ucla enrollment and parking pass enrollment papers she was filling out that night for Erik. What for if they were gonna kill them 😂🤣🤣🤣
@@joes.4149 and this just further proves that it wasn't a very well thought out plan because if so, he would've looked this stuff up before the shooting or before the arrest. It just shows they did what they did out of panic, maybe irrational panic, but they were out of their minds with fear. After everything happened and he was even possibly getting a death sentence, he wanted to read up on similar cases, stuff that any lawyer does as well to prepare a case. That isn't incriminating at all
Manipulative all hard evidence points to them being liars. The only chance the defense attorneys had was sexual abuse
I have so much respect for Lyle. He was a big brother everyone needed. They were not given a fair trial and they deserve to be freed this year. I signed the petition to free them.
His lovely voice im so sorry Netflix has portrayed Lyle the way they did he is amazing . The way he said oh my god so cute xxxx
I think Netflix portraying it the complete opposite was horrible but it made me want to search up what he actually said on these tapes which is what I think it’s purpose was bc now we are all aware
Did you manage to find out if he said anything incriminating on the tapes?
@@miagarcia2177 go see Lyle’s gfs witness testimony. Trust me.
Lyle's slurry Oh mmy Godd😂😂
It's crazy how both brothers made the same mistake. Erik spilled his guts to his psychologist, which led to their arrest. Then Lyle confided in a woman he thought he could trust, and she ended up ruining his case in the second trial. He didn’t even testify at the second trial because of the tapes. Life is so ironic!
this is lyle trying to impress the female on the phone... notice how he says "my ex girlfriend, the MODEL" lol
no he’s just being kind, that’s Lyle in general.
I think he said that because they talked about her in the court, so she would know who he is talking about
@@MariaDonkovalmfaooo “Lyle in general” dudes escape plan wasn’t admitted into court. That letter Is not of an innocent man
About his brother “like he hasn’t gotten me in enough trouble already going to Oziel.” He basically calls Erik dumb 😂
@@joes.4149 Last time I checked did I comment to you? No, so why bother replying with a completely irrelevant topic.
OhH mY gOddd I love him 😂
Hes should be released today!
Is he coming to live with you?
@@alizehustle9385 you clearly dont know whats its like to be raped by a parent (not a stranger) daily!!!!!
The love for murderers is really disturbing
How many "dimes dimes mother fu'king dimes' did he use for this call?😂
Their father had been threatening to kill them for years if they spoke of the abuse to anyone. Just one example was him chopping the head off the family dog and putting it in the freezer for them to find as boys. The ‘mirror time’ sounds horrific as well.
They had been living in fear their whole lives. When Lyle said he was done protecting his monster of a father because he found out he was still abusing his brother, the sick bastard clearly would have gone to any length to keep his abuse of little boys a secret. Any man that rapes young children much less his sons is obviously a sick psychopath, so it’s not far fetched at all that they thought their parents might kill them for standing up to them or speaking out.
He told Norma Novelli. There is no immediate danger which contradicts what he said in court. They made up the stories to get away with the murder.
Finally someone with common sense…I would compare his father with the likes of Teddy Bundy…Saying that Jose Menendez wasn’t capable of murder is like saying Tedd Bundy never killed anyone…Yeah,right….
@@aidafaupl4733is it the same 😂
The guy was 21.. he could have just left home but Mr rich boy needed hand outs.
@@Tony_3XLyou don’t even know how they were feeling. Lyle even said himself, runaway? And then what? Wait to he killed in a parking lot one day by someone his dad hired to kill them? Their dad was a very powerful man who wouldn’t want them ruining what he built.
The movie did a disservice to these men.
Who know how many innocent boys this guy saved. 😢
Just the way he says .....Oh my gooodddd......😂😂
Netflix over exaggerated, it was barely accurate from the start.
Oh my Gaaad 😂
He sounds 45 not anything near 20’s.
I was thinking the same, weird bc, in some videos they said the boys did not develop well acting to young for their age...
@@ViralVibes_01having a younger mental age doesn’t mean ur voice changes with it lol
I agree he sounds older this dosent sound like a 21 year old.
His voice is just deep
Steroids I think plus his hair falling out at such a young age is another huge clue
Stop confusing the show with reality. Based on true events. Based on a true story is not the true story. Simple. They’re allowed to co exist. You want real, watch the trial and documentaries with the real footage and witness accounts. The entire trial is online.
they want to complain
sidenote but I really love that picture of him!
Erics big mouth is how you got caught
He felt guilty unlike Lyle
Erick did him so dirty lol
@@Retro_DiscoWhat does Lyle have to feel for
@@Retro_Discolyle did feel guilty, he was just more emotionally strong and reserved
@@Retro_DiscoI mean Lyle keeps his feelings within and he is less emotional and taught to suppress his emotions from an early age by his father I’m sure he did feel guilty just not guilty enough to let himself get caught
Once you boys get out if you start a podcast we will listen to you.lyle you are a great yapper.
This is so interesting! Is there anymore of the Norma tapes? They are hard to find since she recorded without permission but they are interesting to listen to
I wonder the same!!!
@@phoebexox5452 Yes!
@@queen_ginarwould you post some of the recordings on TH-cam?
@@queen_ginardo you have anymore, can you post them if u do?
Uhh no, he knew she was recording him. He wanted to write a book. My mom thought it'd be easier if they just recorded the info instead of writing it. He would call daily like 5 minutes after court ended. The book never blew up because OJ was happening by then.
Shame on this woman Norma, who pretended to be his friend, spoke to him for hours, visited him in jail - while all the time she recorded him with the intent to release it and make money. He was obviously betrayed by her. Life did not do justice to these brothers. Poor Lyle, he is yappy- just imagine how badly he wanted to chat and share his thoughts with someone innocently but didn’t realise it would cost him so many years of his life 😢
Prisoners love to yap. I’ve been in jail for a couple days 😂
they would have been free if that happened in this generation
no because you know... anytime you take the right to life from someone by murder and then accuse them of alleged improper behavior... well that's gonna fall on itself because the foundation of your argument begins with murder... sorry everyone has the right to a trial in this country, and when you play judge, jury and executioner then you're gonna lose in court if Justice is upheld
Who else hates Norma for doing that 😡
FREE THEM!
why? they murdered their parents
@justingreen7984 because they were being tortured and molested by their father he made them do horrific things since they were only 6 years old smh
@@simplyme1678 alleged and even he did, did he ever go to trial for that? oh wait no because his two sons gunned him down in his living room with shotguns at point blank range... sorry you don't get to play judge, jury and executioner then try to use alleged assault by your victims in your defense because you at this point took their right to due process under the law away from them... facts not feelings
@justingreen7984 and the FACTS are there is new evidence that their father was the monster that he was and they are more then likely gonna be released from prison and its been a fact if u actually watched the first trial there were literally witnesses to their abuse 😌so like I said....FREE THEM!🗣
@@simplyme1678 Sympathy is good, but we don't release people just because we feel sorry for them. That's not how it works. They were 18 and 21. They know that murder is wrong. They chose to do it (I personally believe for financial gain). Let us think before we act.
"Oh my goood." 😂😂
I think they should have been charged with second degree murder with mitigating factors of their abuse giving them parole options
He sounds real sweet. The show monsters portrayed Lyle completely different. He sounds calm when he speaks. That show really tried to portray them as evil.
this is not really conversations lol 😂
Man, why’d they gotta make this dude in the movie look like some hard-headed junkie on cocaine and all that? You listen to the real Lyle Menendez and he’s actually a straight-up smart, sincere guy in real life.
Lawsuit will follow very soon. I hope they win against Netflix
i’m like.. ohh my gawdd
These poor boys r strong victims! What they went thru would have destroyed me yet they had the strength to off their predators themselves and try to live life
@@marieh1755 Lyle’s ex had him get case copies of child molestation and ones where “kids killed their parents and got off” shortly after they hired the attorneys 😂🤣go watch her testimony. She has no reason to lie.
@@joes.4149 so ! Still don’t make them guilty ! Those parents were monsters n more victims will come out
Boys? You mean men
@@joes.4149 they will not look
Poor victims? Do you have any proof that these two are victims?
the victims are the parents who we’re brutally murdered by their demonic children
No one but their families are the only people who can make any kind of assessment on wether or not they’re telling the truth because obviously they were apart of their lives and the people in these comments aren’t and last time I checked their family members believed them so that tells you all u need to know about this case.
Not all of them. And Lyle was asking people to lie
@@alizehustle9385 you watch a movie and think it’s actual evidence 🙄
yeh their argument and what they were implying died the same night their parents were murdered
the only things good about the Netflix show are: the music choices, the beautiful and talented actors, the fact that people are now looking at the REAL tapes and audios because they became curious.
but also, yes, Ryan Murphy is gross. and it's vile that the boys were so se*ualised in the show, after being victims of child s/a.
The first minute gives further credence to them being genuinely scared of their parents that night.
Gonna start my future prayers with, “Yo My God…”
I’ve read some comments where some are suggesting they should have run away and didn’t because they enjoyed their riches and luxury life.
To them: please, when children come from privileged families, they are hugely controlled by their parents; the parents have eyes on them everywhere and anywhere they go. If the father threatened and the mother kept quiet knowing her sons were being sexually abused by her husband, it was a very scary situation for the boys. They still were children of the parents and they had this real sense of fear for their parents. Living luxuriously was a way to live and it had to be done that way because the parents also needed to show the world they are providing so much for them and they were rich. So it became a habit for these boys to live in this way, doesn’t justify why they should have tolerated abuse. They were passively enduring and suffering and from fear they got aggressive and decided to kill- impulsive decision because they wanted to be free from toxic lives and live freely. Who wouldn’t want that? Well we will say- we wouldn’t have done that, but guess what we weren’t in their place so we really don’t know how we would have reacted. They were always shouted at, humiliated and raped by their dad and molested emotionally by mother as well so they had no sense of security and people act in desperate and violent ways to survive.
I am not justifying murder - parricide! I am just telling you they couldn’t have run away if they ran away and if their story is true, one day or the other they would have been killed to be shut off forever so their parents’ abuse wouldn’t be exposed.
any one who saw the show was accurate watch the trial or read rob rand's book or the defense is ready by Leslie Abramson their attorney , and after that u'll find the show was faar from the truth not just Lyle's portrayal but the whole story was fake and not accurate at all .
It’s not a documentary. The show is states it’s BASED on true events, the rest is left to creative interpretation. The way it was written was showing all possibilities/theories of what may have happened. They show the pov of the brothers claims, another pov was those that think they’re guilty and the parents innocent, and then the rumors in between (for example, Erik being gay or the brothers incest).
I’m imagining Lyle pacing back and forth on the phone, talking with his hands, etc. 😂 he’s a yapper like me 😂
Let these guys out already. They’re obviously not insane. They obviously were abused by that asshole of a father and they are obviously not going to get out and kill other people. They did their time.
Where can we listen to the tapes where Lyle said things “i gave the best performance this courtroom has ever seen” and stuff like that?
You cant bc he never said that lol
He never said that. He says here that the jury believed him because he got so emotional. That was completely misconstrued and people said he’s saying he lied and faked his wll emotions on the stand. How is that in any way what he says here? Of course he wants to be believed - he was facing the death penalty. He’s literally saying “I couldn’t have faked that” essentially, but no, the media took these tapes and misconstrued what he said. You know how the media works - something will be misconstrued and portrayed as fact and everyone will believe it because nobody cares enough to be curious and fact check things. The way it was portrayed in the Monsters series was appallingly inaccurate, just like every other fact of the show.
They had his former best friend, Donovan Goodreau, on tape admitting to Robert Rand (a journalist) that Lyle had told him about his sexual abuse before the murders. Donovan denied this when he testified for the prosecution, but Lyle’s attorneys played him the tape in court where he can be heard saying it. Donovan still denied it.
I believe the abuse no doubt and i think they killed them because of the abuse but i think money was an added incentive. They probably felt thats the least the parents could do was leave them money.
😂 if they never got caught they’d be saying “my parents were great” to this day. No therapy needed.
I doubt they would have bothered to kill them if it hadn't been for the money
bcs they surpressed all the years of abuse you fucking maletard @@joes.4149
That sounds dumb. I think dad was trying to make them responsible and not just hand them everything. Which is why they were robbing people
@alizehustle9385 an aunt, two cousins, a friend and a member of Menudo confirmed the abuse, he just came forward not to long ago and stated he was SA too
This dude reminds me of my stepdad’s uncle, could talk for hours nonstop and say a whole bunch of random shit. 😂
If you are abused by a parent you have emotional and mental problems caused by the abuse so we can make judgements on their behaviour but they were probably in a survival flight or fight mode all the time. They have spent most of theirs lives in prison the case should be reviewed especially since a other man has come forward who was raped by their father when he was a boy.
Roy Rosselló spoke about the abuse in the documentary, where he was incentivized to participate.
Even if he really was abused, It can't prove the brothers were also abused.
@@Baslium Lyle’s ex gfs testimony will shut all these people up
Omg he sounds exactly like in the Netflix series 😮
They were cute kids growin in to handsome men but the hell they went thru 😢
Bro’s just yapping 😂❤
This dont sound nothings like the Netflix series's, 18 and 21 yeara old just kids yes old enough for some things , but at that age you believe all kids of stuff , i don't blame them for doing what they did how can i judge thwm if i dont know how it feels to just be sexually abuse by some one and been done by his parent is got to be way worse, i really hope this 2 man come out soon , a man like his father's with so much power i would be scared and confused , how could they not look happy after their abusers were gone buying things feelings free and they deserved the money after so much suffering money would not erase those terrible memories.
I’m so distracted by this picture of Lyle. My ADHD has me hearing Kevin Gates rapping “I got 2 phones” 🤣
Bro shutup
“The Rolex lady ran outta time” 😅😅😅
one of the biggest differences from reality and the monsters series is how lyle is portrayed. the netflix series portrays him as a “patrick bateman” character. a psychopathic snob that has no empathy for anyone else. but based off the trial and this call, he just sounds like a normal dude that was going through some hard sh*t.
netflix doesn't portray him like this. maybe in part, but you are wrong. the anger that is raging in Lyle on the show is because of the pain of the abuse. and he is also portrayed as very loving to Erik, so its not white and black at all on the show, as it wasn't in reality. this is just one short phone call, you don't know how he behaved in private or outside of it. so don't be ridiculous. also, TV show is always only based on real events, and fictionalized, not a documentary.
What it sounds like is that Eric attorney wanted Eric to blame the whole thing on Lyle with the letter?
She’s letting him chat her ear off ,how can no one see she was sus
Online affects everyone. He just really wanted someone to talk to.
For some reason after knowing what I know now, looking at actual footage and words spoken from their mouths. It’s nothing like to the series, that series is for self gain to those who need to paint their own narrative. I really feel for them. They made a really really bad choice and that will never go unnoticed. I wish other steps were taken but I definitely believe sexual abuse was apart of their home. These were wealthy people who didn’t want for anything. This is definitely NOT about money, I believe trauma drove them to their mental illness which impaired their way of thinking. I’m sure lessons were learned. They were so young when they did this. They were tossed in jail like trash when really the guys needed deep therapy, a hug for fuck sake. They have missed so much of the world, prison might be where it’s safer for them. I want them out too but they’ve been detached from the outside world since the 80s. It’s no telling what their mental state would be after a release.
So he wrote that letter so that they would have their story straight.
3:54 😅 so common between siblings.
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