It’s so baffling to me the way the media twisted these tapes to make Lyle look like a liar when he literally spends all of them talking about the people testifying against him being the liars. He talks in several calls about it not being for money. He didn’t know these calls were being recorded. There’s a reason they were never entered into evidence, because they meant nothing. If anything you may just find Lyle unlikeable or arrogant, but that doesn’t mean he’s a liar. I actually really enjoy his honesty and no bullshit attitude, and he’s pretty fucking funny. He cracks me up. In my opinion, he sounds pretty fed up and tired of his former friends stabbing him in the back and lying. He’s in prison and his former friends are lying about him on the stand - I probably wouldn’t be in a very cuddly mood either. Also, I love his rather prominent New Jersey accent. The media always plays up the “Beverley Hills family”, but they grew up in Jersey and Lyle and Erik are so Jersey in the way they speak.
Yes! He literally said he was a product of what happened to him and the pain he's been through and that he didn't have to think about the answers because he was remembering and reliving those moments. People don't have to like his attitude, but those tapes were completely twisted.
@@or91am Exactly. In the tape where he’s talking about testifying he says word for word, “I’m just gonna be myself.” Yes, he is being cognizant of how he will come off to a jury, but… of course he is?!?!? The entire prosecution is trying to get him to fry. When testifying you have to be cognizant of how you’re coming off. Everything he says in that specific tape indicates he’s telling the truth. Lyle behaved incredibly impressively in his composure on the stand, but his emotional moments were clearly real. There’s even a quote from his former best friend Donovan in which he describes Lyle getting emotional in front of him, and he’s quoted in Rob Rand’s book as saying, “you can’t fake that kind of emotion.” In the show where he’s bragging to Norma about the performance he gave, I’ve seen people justify that “it’s TV and they’re dramatizing it.” No, they blatantly misrepresented and mischaracterized Lyle. This is a real person who is very much still alive and that wasn’t dramatization - it was full on making shit up. To this day Lyle is still so misunderstood and it’s a shame because he is an incredibly fascinating person. I genuinely don’t know how anyone can really, attentively watch his direct examination and think he’s acting. If Lyle was such an evil mastermind, like people try to portray him, that he easily able to concoct such an elaborate performance in front of the jury (if he’s acting it’s the most incredible acting performance I have ever seen), then why was he such a disaster after the murders and made so many mistakes? His behaviour and mannerisms are so consistent throughout his entire testimony. It’s interesting because I was rewatching a bit of the Barbara Walters interview and I noticed one of Lyle’s ticks from the trial present in that interview - his tendency to shake or nod his head silently rather than verbalize an answer. It is SUCH a consistent part of his testimony - he does it /constantly/. Ticks like that are too nuanced to be faked.
@@aidafaupl4733 I think his lightheartedness is probably a coping mechanism. At this point he’s in court all day every day. I can’t remember how many days Lyle testified during the trial, but it’s a very small number compared to the entire 6 month trial. That involves sitting in court silently for hours and hours and hours. He’s not allowed to object when his former friends are on the stand lying about him and he’s not allowed to show emotion about it either. Him being a motor mouth in these phone calls makes complete sense when you contextualize that. It’s so easy to listen to a tape and make a singular judgment without contextualizing the whole situation and context is so important in this case. I think he was just excited to have someone to talk to and who was listening to him - Erik was notoriously a basket case while they were first in prison. Too bad Norma ended up fucking him over just like the rest of his friends.
Lyle always seems so measured and quiet when interviewed this an interesting glimpse, he's definitely way more outgoing than he appears. Erik on the otherhand appears to be an introvert through and through.
Lyle's funny. he was bored out of his mind. I'd yap the hell out too. If my best friend/ex girlfriend lied and testified against me facing DEATH PENALTY, i won't be saying nice words too lol. and I would have loved to be his friend wtf, he was so generous!
No doubt you believed Amber Heard's sickening performance for her court case also. He & that other Thing slaughtered their father & mother using pump action shotguns to make Sure they got their millions & that's Why they will Never stop the Lies. It must be terrible to live in your skin. I pity you.
@@sooz5703 Too much of a lowlife pathological liar who planned the slaughter of his parents because he & his Clone were going to to be cut out of the Will, in Fact & they used everyone they could get to the jail to try & save themselves from the death penalty.
He literally did not say anything wrong that could be interpreted the way it is portrayed in the horrible Monster series. That woman was after making a buck on the book.
She’s patronizing. I hate what she did to him. It was a cheap shot and he reveals in the tapes that he is a genuinely nice guy who wants to be liked. He wasn’t bragging about lying, he clearly sounds relieved about other people lying and that the money as a motive is so clearly not the motive. And, he was sharing this in confidence. Brother
@@maribelibrahim8560I’ve looked at the book and tapes，i think that Lyle was indeed an entitld arrogant rich kid but also he’s generous and genuine to close friends. He sounds like unbelievably naive and over-optimistic about the case, and he was aware of his goodlooking and so on. He wanted to take advantage of it and impress the jury. Maybe that's why he didn't testify on the second court cuz the tapes gave him bad image. But that doesn't mean they're lying.
@ he’s a victim along with Erick ! The parents sexually abused them there’s pics n a video the moms sister mentioned in court etc! The media made them out to look like murder for greed!the list goes on in tons of proof witness etc even now comig out ! Do your research
Lots of people who betrayed them are on the internet because the trial from the 1990's in on the internet. Many have gone quiet and into hiding because they know the community doesn't like them. Google who he was talking to. It could have also been someone who changed their mind ( a family member) who now supports them being freed.
Lyle is a product of Jose! He was programmed from very young to be a certain way. It's all he knows how to be. Fast talking Lyle is fast talking Jose. People hear him as a spoiled brat, yet never stop to think that he could simply be trying to sound smart and mature and maybe some efforts to charm over the phone too. He obviously was not at his true age mentally during this call. He sounds like a teenager trying to hard to impress because that's the age of his mental maturity. He was far too nieve to know better to not do these calls. Lyle was and still is extremely misunderstood! He is the unsung hero in this entire story.
When I was first listening I was getting annoyed at her inability to follow along. Then I realized that this sounds exactly like a conversation between my husband and I every evening as I'm trying to cook dinner and he is filling me in on every single detail about his day at work as if our lives depended on him not forgetting something. This is exactly me when I switch to pilot mode and say, "Uh huh... yeah.." while giving zero F's.
i don't know how people want him to be nice when he was facing a death penalty and his friends was against him , He doesn't have to be the nicest guy in the world to believe what he said in court
@@cheungum248 Exactly. People seem prone to focusing on things without analyzing the context. Taking these calls in context, of course Lyle is angry and cussing. He might be /sentenced to death/ and his dipshit friends and ex are lying about him in court. There’s just such a lack of empathy and understanding. Lyle clearly coped with what was happening to him in this way and people love to take the high ground and act like they’d act so much better as if they’ve been anywhere close to where he was at this point. Have you ever been on trial facing the death penalty? No? Then watch your judgment. People are holding them to the absolute highest standard of morality and behaviour. I genuinely think people are intentionally and willfully obtuse because they can’t stand to feel empathy for someone who did a horrible thing. People are either a saint or a devil. Lyle is neither - he’s a human being who did a terrible thing, but the media and the general public are incapable of recognizing nuance.
Lots of people talk too much and also try and act tough when they are under a high amount of pressure. The judge was looking at giving them the death penalty because that is how bad things were. I watched the trial and how brutally they were raped by their father and young men that age act tough because they don't want to come across as wimps having endured what they did from their father........The amount of stories I have read from just ordinary people who knew the father, worked in the same company as the father and so on ALL said he was a nasty man.
do you know what gappened to novelli? anyway have you notiched in this pic he had the same t shirt he used in tge famous pic of ghim with eric in front of his house
FYI - The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse both parents of severe mental abuse & This was the storyline that they came up with for Dr Oziel. When finally arrested, obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. Due to Oziel's tape recordings of their First Version Confessions, there was absolutely Nothing else except an extreme Incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies. Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again on the night of the 17th, Or he would tell Everybody & then, the father threatened to kill he & Erik. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, next plot - the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them that, on the 16th. Why the mother included in their murder plot? They told Dr Oziel a very long story about her being suicidal often & her great upset when finding out about Jose's affair & she wouldn't cope if he was gone & This is on Oziel's tape recording. And of course, much more. Then when in jail awaiting trial the Autopsy report was in & things changed Again as well as the fact that they now knew that the death penalty was on the table. And so the next juicy story, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he had got a shotgun too, one Mossad each, for each parent, who'd been plotting for 3 days to kill both sons & so, the imperfect self-defence case, was in place. They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves. The plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. According to Lyle & Erik, knee-capping was MO for the mob & that's exactly what they did, to both parents. Then 4 more shotgun hits for their father plus one point-blank to the back of his Head. After 7 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & she was trying to crawl away. They had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point-blank shot his mother in the Face, via her right cheek. They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings. They found every single one. They had bought cartridges with the guns on the Friday night from two & half hours away but then learnt that those cartridges were only birdshot. On Saturday they went to a local gun shop & bought Buckshot. Their parents' bodies from head to toe, full of lead from both. Got it Yet folks? They showed how Terrified they were of being killed by both parents for 3 nights & 3 days by still living in their house, still eating their food, still using their father's Gold American Express Card & on Saturday afternoon, they went deep sea fishing with them til late that night where they travelled With them in Their car. They were With them all of Sunday whilst going in & out of the house, til they killed them that night. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Leslie gave them a book & they used several incest 'acts' from that within their testimony. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, the ole' head drop way down, face pulling, head thrown back often & long pauses before answering their lawyers Scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutor's questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them & so, None of the above fake behaviours any longer, not even when discussing the murders. FYI - I am nearly finished watching the cross-examination of dear Lyle, 10 Hours worth. I am still waiting for One friggin Tear. As for dear little Eric, exactly the Same, not even a Sniffle. Here's something for all dopes to Think about - during Any trial for Any crime, if the defendant is caught out telling One lie during their testimony, everything said is Not credible. Now, these lowlifes were caught out in Loads of lies, So, why the f do soo many of you believe Anything they said at all?? BTW - you all believed their performance for the 911 call yeah? Now, that alone should tell your non-firing brain cells Something about their Acting skills. Jeez. These mongrels sure as hell have made a whole Cult of weirdos into twisted simpy Suckers who the whole world now knows would murder Their parents for Whatever 'reason' too. Let's look at their sick heads & pretend all they made up was true so - According to the 'studies' & seeing as they Both told The most graphic details about a Great Many incest & paedophilia acts Plus the convos that they could recall from their umm Perfect memories & allegedly all occurring through To adulthood from aged about 6, it is more than Likely that Both will be the Same offending incestuous paedophiles. Together with all that, they are both The most sadistic shotgun toting parent killers ever to be Caught, in recent history. Maybe if released, they'll move next door to You & Your family & they can carry on fake crying you a river, every single day. Just saying. LMAO. One just has to take note of how Happy they were on the first hearing day in court, donning their latest brand new designer suits, heads held particularly high & their usual Arrogant smirks, to know exactly the type of Monsters they Truly ARE. It will always be astounding to us Normal people as to Why so many of you just believe their despicable Bullshit. BTW - I'm sure Chris Watts deserves a 'chance' too soo, let's say 5 years & he gets to walk amongst us again yeah? How many kids should he have with the next wife? N.B. Don't get rich because Your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
Ugh.. she's not listening. Lyle is so entertaining! and the details are funny af... But then of course, she's another sleazy 'friend'. Sorry for Lyle in that, but at least we get to enjoy a candid conversation where his guard is down.
Their father was literally their biggest downfall, what a shame 😏 I mean if they were brought up in love they would have turned out so well, this family would have been one of the most successful family ever.
And they are saying the Lyle yaps a lot in this but when people are under a lot of stress they do weird stuff like talking too much......Also this was taped without Lyle knowing. Those two brothers were under so, so much pressure.
@@karenmbbaxter There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet?
Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too. These mongrels sure as hell have made a whole Cult of weirdos into twisted simpy Suckers who the whole world now knows would slaughter Their parents for Money too. Shame on you all.
I understand at least what he felt. He was very nice to his friends, however they betrayed him as if Lyle didn't helped them at all to the point that they stood on the prosecution's side & even lied.
I literally can't understand what supposedly the wrong things he said here... I mean either I'm an idiot or everybody who shame him about it then are... Someone help me understand please
He should have taken the stand in the second trail. Erik had to do it by his self. This just proves that Jose was gonna give them money. So they didn't kill for money. I mean I get it he was cussing and being arrogant but it went to show it wasn't for the money. 😢
Do you mean people wouldn't get a taste of their supposed 'rich' lifestyle or people wouldn't get a taste of Jose Menendez's sperm when he molested them and ejaculated into their mouth and FORCED them to swallow it from a young age when they were often raped by him? It wasn't just once and so many people are coming out now saying they knew the father was brutal in his work place, with his sons at sport, an L.A. madam claims he booked her prostitutes a bit and he was into sadism......If that is 'the taste' you are talking about then I would rather be dirt poor.....Those young men were RAPED often by their father.
yeah i agree. I watch their direct examination hours upon hours and I don't think money is the problem. I would say NEVER a problem. I remember Lyle said, 'money just laying around the house', I was shocked what does it mean?? he explains that whenever his dad comes home, his wallet and money is on the counter everywhere. and Jose doesn't care if it was taken, something like that. Lyle and Eric could have taken it and do whatever. but Lyle had a credit card since he was 12, 13 like that ?? he had a car. so yeah they never had money problems. everything was paid by his dad. all they want is love from their parents... 😢
How is the internet still supporting these murderers is beyond me. It was so uncomfortable listening to those tapes. Lyle bragged about crying in the court to gain sympathy. He asked Norma for suggestions what all he could lie about to establish dr. ozile a liar. In the wake of all this, the judge even said that he would enter the evidence of abuse only and only if Lyle testifies, but he chose not to. He was already established himself as a liar and knew they'll shred his lie in cross examination. But the entire internet has developed some kind of amnesia or delusion.
They're not supporting them. Majority of the people want them to be free if they were actually abused because they served 30+ years for their horrible crime. I do personally believe they were abused. If not, then these dudes are the best actors in the entire world.
Nobody want to let grown ass men tell them why they did it. How can all of you decide what happened? No . They literately told us it was for money and they never were sexually abused by them. Listen to humans when they tell you . Let them be honest my God just why ?
Lyle sounds like a little mob guy with his Jersey accent. Between him and Norma, it’s like My Cousin Vinny. Even though Lyle claims abuse, he sure enjoyed living the good life on his father’s dime along with the promise of millions for cheating his way through college. He wasn’t afraid of his father; he just didn’t want to get a job or join the military. He reminds me of Trump.
You have your parents sezually abuse you and threaten to kill you and have someone say you weren't actually afraid of them and see how that feels .....
you’re stupid 😭 he didn’t wanna get a job so he killed his parents? like what, well if that’s the case he surely got what he wanted! he will never have to get a job in his life 😭 who tf kills someone because they don’t want to get a job, and mind you he didn’t have a job and was set to go back to uni so why would the job aspect be so important in his life at that point
@@hellokitty3935Right and also these werent lazy guys they were practice for 45 hours a week while going to school as kids their entry childhood wad very busy and people think they are lazy And also after they killed their parents erik was plauing tennis for 8 to 10 hours a day and that was hjs job his career Lyle bought a restaurant and worked there and also done couple deals and stuff he was trying to ho in his fathers way They were working after the murders lol
What a professional yapper. If he were to start a podcast I'd listen the shit out of it
@@lolgacha3217 all night long 🫠
What does that mean 😂 not sure whether u like him or not
Lyle: I'm basically a yap machine, lmao
Lle: Ohhhh my god.....
😂😂@@Christrulesall2
It’s so baffling to me the way the media twisted these tapes to make Lyle look like a liar when he literally spends all of them talking about the people testifying against him being the liars. He talks in several calls about it not being for money. He didn’t know these calls were being recorded. There’s a reason they were never entered into evidence, because they meant nothing.
If anything you may just find Lyle unlikeable or arrogant, but that doesn’t mean he’s a liar. I actually really enjoy his honesty and no bullshit attitude, and he’s pretty fucking funny. He cracks me up. In my opinion, he sounds pretty fed up and tired of his former friends stabbing him in the back and lying. He’s in prison and his former friends are lying about him on the stand - I probably wouldn’t be in a very cuddly mood either.
Also, I love his rather prominent New Jersey accent. The media always plays up the “Beverley Hills family”, but they grew up in Jersey and Lyle and Erik are so Jersey in the way they speak.
Yes! He literally said he was a product of what happened to him and the pain he's been through and that he didn't have to think about the answers because he was remembering and reliving those moments. People don't have to like his attitude, but those tapes were completely twisted.
@@or91am Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
@@or91am Exactly. In the tape where he’s talking about testifying he says word for word, “I’m just gonna be myself.” Yes, he is being cognizant of how he will come off to a jury, but… of course he is?!?!? The entire prosecution is trying to get him to fry. When testifying you have to be cognizant of how you’re coming off. Everything he says in that specific tape indicates he’s telling the truth. Lyle behaved incredibly impressively in his composure on the stand, but his emotional moments were clearly real. There’s even a quote from his former best friend Donovan in which he describes Lyle getting emotional in front of him, and he’s quoted in Rob Rand’s book as saying, “you can’t fake that kind of emotion.”
In the show where he’s bragging to Norma about the performance he gave, I’ve seen people justify that “it’s TV and they’re dramatizing it.” No, they blatantly misrepresented and mischaracterized Lyle. This is a real person who is very much still alive and that wasn’t dramatization - it was full on making shit up.
To this day Lyle is still so misunderstood and it’s a shame because he is an incredibly fascinating person. I genuinely don’t know how anyone can really, attentively watch his direct examination and think he’s acting. If Lyle was such an evil mastermind, like people try to portray him, that he easily able to concoct such an elaborate performance in front of the jury (if he’s acting it’s the most incredible acting performance I have ever seen), then why was he such a disaster after the murders and made so many mistakes? His behaviour and mannerisms are so consistent throughout his entire testimony. It’s interesting because I was rewatching a bit of the Barbara Walters interview and I noticed one of Lyle’s ticks from the trial present in that interview - his tendency to shake or nod his head silently rather than verbalize an answer. It is SUCH a consistent part of his testimony - he does it /constantly/. Ticks like that are too nuanced to be faked.
@@aidafaupl4733 I think his lightheartedness is probably a coping mechanism. At this point he’s in court all day every day. I can’t remember how many days Lyle testified during the trial, but it’s a very small number compared to the entire 6 month trial. That involves sitting in court silently for hours and hours and hours. He’s not allowed to object when his former friends are on the stand lying about him and he’s not allowed to show emotion about it either. Him being a motor mouth in these phone calls makes complete sense when you contextualize that. It’s so easy to listen to a tape and make a singular judgment without contextualizing the whole situation and context is so important in this case. I think he was just excited to have someone to talk to and who was listening to him - Erik was notoriously a basket case while they were first in prison. Too bad Norma ended up fucking him over just like the rest of his friends.
@@shannonoreilly4695 💯💯💯
I could listen to him rant if he wanted all day! He’s got charisma n he’s a beautiful hero
He has a nice voice 😅
@@evelyndaisy9722 yes I agree
Wow yall are fucked 😂
@@evelyndaisy9722sexy
Maybe seek therapy
Lyle always seems so measured and quiet when interviewed this an interesting glimpse, he's definitely way more outgoing than he appears. Erik on the otherhand appears to be an introvert through and through.
Yeah they seem to be the classic extrovert introvert duo
Wow he doesn't shut up. He was BORED
What do you expect
@@gestionculturalpr4548 lol
@@RandomPerson-u6n 💯
Lyle is a yapper. 😂
😂😂
A yapper and a cold blooded murderer
Well, if you were in a murder trial and have just been through hours and hours of witness statements, you'd want to tell a friend too.
Lyle's funny. he was bored out of his mind. I'd yap the hell out too. If my best friend/ex girlfriend lied and testified against me facing DEATH PENALTY, i won't be saying nice words too lol. and I would have loved to be his friend wtf, he was so generous!
No doubt you believed Amber Heard's sickening performance for her court case also. He & that other Thing slaughtered their father & mother using pump action shotguns to make Sure they got their millions & that's Why they will Never stop the Lies. It must be terrible to live in your skin. I pity you.
Too generous.. people seemed to use him.
I pity people like you, I really do.
@@sooz5703 Too much of a lowlife pathological liar who planned the slaughter of his parents because he & his Clone were going to to be cut out of the Will, in Fact & they used everyone they could get to the jail to try & save themselves from the death penalty.
@@sooz5703oh yeah they used the hell out of him then totally twisted the call
The way he's so confident 😍😍😍😍😍 he's so hot OMG i love Lyle so much i could hear him speak all day
😂😂😂😂 i feel u tho
got that right!
Such great blokes hope things go your way. UK 🇬🇧
He literally did not say anything wrong that could be interpreted the way it is portrayed in the horrible Monster series. That woman was after making a buck on the book.
He totally says he can ask friends to lie for him if necessary. In order to make the therapist look bad.
@@krystademilio1256 timestamp?
@@TheGreaterBenefic it's not in this video. That would require you to read a transcript of another recording
@@krystademilio1256 right. Even if he bragged something stupid to that effect - it was just that. Stupid bragging.
There are more tapes
She sounds so genuine lol. Poor Lyle, he deserved a way cooler friend.
Yeah she sounds so nasty.
She’s patronizing. I hate what she did to him. It was a cheap shot and he reveals in the tapes that he is a genuinely nice guy who wants to be liked. He wasn’t bragging about lying, he clearly sounds relieved about other people lying and that the money as a motive is so clearly not the motive. And, he was sharing this in confidence. Brother
@@maribelibrahim8560I’ve looked at the book and tapes，i think that Lyle was indeed an entitld arrogant rich kid but also he’s generous and genuine to close friends. He sounds like unbelievably naive and over-optimistic about the case, and he was aware of his goodlooking and so on. He wanted to take advantage of it and impress the jury. Maybe that's why he didn't testify on the second court cuz the tapes gave him bad image. But that doesn't mean they're lying.
A mí me suena tan falsa
He wasn’t allowed to talk until he was freed from Jose & Kitty…can you blame him now!? He can for the first time speak freely.
I can’t wait till they get out ❤
My boyfriend and I upgraded from a queen to a king to make room for our prince when he gets out
@@neoneherefrom5836😂😂😂😂
@@neoneherefrom5836you’re a creepy as person . He’s a killer.
Why he’s a killer. You guys maybe are being funny but no. It’s really scary
@ he’s a victim along with Erick ! The parents sexually abused them there’s pics n a video the moms sister mentioned in court etc! The media made them out to look like murder for greed!the list goes on in tons of proof witness etc even now comig out ! Do your research
What Norma did is evil and disgusting!
I know, tell me about it!😝
CERTIFIED YAPPER 💯
I love listening to him yapping, he has an amazing voice, does anyone know what that cow looks like, I'm kinda interested
Lots of people who betrayed them are on the internet because the trial from the 1990's in on the internet. Many have gone quiet and into hiding because they know the community doesn't like them. Google who he was talking to. It could have also been someone who changed their mind ( a family member) who now supports them being freed.
I have a clip of her😹😹
@@queen_ginar plss share lmao
How did he change accents?@@queen_ginar
She’s a snake for recording him and writing a book about him .
Norma Is A Horrible Person. To Sit And Do This To Someone Is Unthinkable🤦🏾♀️
Lyle is a product of Jose! He was programmed from very young to be a certain way. It's all he knows how to be. Fast talking Lyle is fast talking Jose. People hear him as a spoiled brat, yet never stop to think that he could simply be trying to sound smart and mature and maybe some efforts to charm over the phone too. He obviously was not at his true age mentally during this call. He sounds like a teenager trying to hard to impress because that's the age of his mental maturity. He was far too nieve to know better to not do these calls. Lyle was and still is extremely misunderstood! He is the unsung hero in this entire story.
I prefer Lyle over Erik..
Right he has always sounded too old for his age , and the fact that he is so smart helped him sound like that
tenía tantas ganas de hablar que ni notaba que la señora tiraba monosílabos nomás 😭
I fast forward her voice to get to ❤lyles 😂
who is he talking to? the women I mean 😮
I enjoy listening to you lyle. Pls start a podcast soon.
@@frankgiannotti9419 oh gross. 🤮 but ok 👌
i don't know if you know, but he's in prison
His voice is so easy to listen to idk
what do you exspect? he has a a powerful sexy voice.
@@mindypatterson8371 Lollll
DIMES , DIMES, DIMES MFKIIING DIMESSSSS
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When I was first listening I was getting annoyed at her inability to follow along. Then I realized that this sounds exactly like a conversation between my husband and I every evening as I'm trying to cook dinner and he is filling me in on every single detail about his day at work as if our lives depended on him not forgetting something. This is exactly me when I switch to pilot mode and say, "Uh huh... yeah.." while giving zero F's.
What Norma did is evil
what do you exspect? she is a 2 faced back staber
i don't know how people want him to be nice when he was facing a death penalty and his friends was against him , He doesn't have to be the nicest guy in the world to believe what he said in court
@@cheungum248 Exactly. People seem prone to focusing on things without analyzing the context. Taking these calls in context, of course Lyle is angry and cussing. He might be /sentenced to death/ and his dipshit friends and ex are lying about him in court. There’s just such a lack of empathy and understanding. Lyle clearly coped with what was happening to him in this way and people love to take the high ground and act like they’d act so much better as if they’ve been anywhere close to where he was at this point. Have you ever been on trial facing the death penalty? No? Then watch your judgment. People are holding them to the absolute highest standard of morality and behaviour.
I genuinely think people are intentionally and willfully obtuse because they can’t stand to feel empathy for someone who did a horrible thing. People are either a saint or a devil. Lyle is neither - he’s a human being who did a terrible thing, but the media and the general public are incapable of recognizing nuance.
@@shannonoreilly4695 its so sad i know
He never faced the death penalty.
Why were his friends outright lying and perjuring themselves, and considering he's been generous to them. What am I missing here.
@@weirdscience6820 i dont know they just lied in the court
he always yapping
Lots of people talk too much and also try and act tough when they are under a high amount of pressure. The judge was looking at giving them the death penalty because that is how bad things were. I watched the trial and how brutally they were raped by their father and young men that age act tough because they don't want to come across as wimps having endured what they did from their father........The amount of stories I have read from just ordinary people who knew the father, worked in the same company as the father and so on ALL said he was a nasty man.
do you know what gappened to novelli? anyway have you notiched in this pic he had the same t shirt he used in tge famous pic of ghim with eric in front of his house
@@Marketoromagnolo the more sex shirt!!!
Love u lyle u r a hero n love you’re personality!
true! such a great personality!
FYI - The plan, if caught, was Always to accuse both parents of severe mental abuse & This was the storyline that they came up with for Dr Oziel. When finally arrested, obviously Shapiro informed them they were up for the 1st degree murder of Two people. In jail together, a new plan was forming as something Had to have happened Very recently & it had to be Extremely compelling. Whatever they had told Shapiro, he now Had to go & his services were dispensed with. In came abuse-excuse expert, Leslie Abrasom. Due to Oziel's tape recordings of their First Version Confessions, there was absolutely Nothing else except an extreme Incest abuse storyline & she hired a particularly dodgy psychiatrist to go 'analyse' them in jail & now there had to be some sort of self defence scenario which was going to be a bit difficult, because no weapons were found with the bodies. Next plan as something Had to have happened to cause them both little 'boys' to fear for their lives in the days preceding the killings. So, the first story was that nearly 19 years of age 6 foot tall & Very fit Erik, had forced sex with his father 2 weeks prior & he had told Lyle about it who threatened the father not to do that again on the night of the 17th, Or he would tell Everybody & then, the father threatened to kill he & Erik. The story had to evolve because the mother was slaughtered also. So, next plot - the 'boys' found out that the mother knew about the incest that had been going on for years, because she'd told them that, on the 16th. Why the mother included in their murder plot? They told Dr Oziel a very long story about her being suicidal often & her great upset when finding out about Jose's affair & she wouldn't cope if he was gone & This is on Oziel's tape recording. And of course, much more. Then when in jail awaiting trial the Autopsy report was in & things changed Again as well as the fact that they now knew that the death penalty was on the table. And so the next juicy story, the mother was committing incest with Lyle & That's why he had got a shotgun too, one Mossad each, for each parent, who'd been plotting for 3 days to kill both sons & so, the imperfect self-defence case, was in place.
They were never going to purchase hand guns, as they vehemently stated they tried to do as weapons to protect themselves. The plan was always the pump action shotguns, as if a mob hit upon their parents when the 'boys' were at the pictures. According to Lyle & Erik, knee-capping was MO for the mob & that's exactly what they did, to both parents. Then 4 more shotgun hits for their father plus one point-blank to the back of his Head. After 7 blasts, their mother was still alive when they ran out of cartridges & she was trying to crawl away. They had to go back to the car where Erik handed Lyle one more cartridge & he ran back to the den & point-blank shot his mother in the Face, via her right cheek.
They then commenced to pick around all the blood & gore & the Sight of their once pushy parents, for the shell casings. They found every single one.
They had bought cartridges with the guns on the Friday night from two & half hours away but then learnt that those cartridges were only birdshot. On Saturday they went to a local gun shop & bought Buckshot. Their parents' bodies from head to toe, full of lead from both. Got it Yet folks?
They showed how Terrified they were of being killed by both parents for 3 nights & 3 days by still living in their house, still eating their food, still using their father's Gold American Express Card & on Saturday afternoon, they went deep sea fishing with them til late that night where they travelled With them in Their car. They were With them all of Sunday whilst going in & out of the house, til they killed them that night.
Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Leslie gave them a book & they used several incest 'acts' from that within their testimony. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, 4 years of practice with all their feigned tears, the ole' head drop way down, face pulling, head thrown back often & long pauses before answering their lawyers Scripted questions. They didn't do so well when the time came for the Prosecutor's questions because they couldn't foresee how Those questions & rebuttals would be coming at them & so, None of the above fake behaviours any longer, not even when discussing the murders.
FYI - I am nearly finished watching the cross-examination of dear Lyle, 10 Hours worth. I am still waiting for One friggin Tear. As for dear little Eric, exactly the Same, not even a Sniffle.
Here's something for all dopes to Think about - during Any trial for Any crime, if the defendant is caught out telling One lie during their testimony, everything said is Not credible. Now, these lowlifes were caught out in Loads of lies, So, why the f do soo many of you believe Anything they said at all?? BTW - you all believed their performance for the 911 call yeah? Now, that alone should tell your non-firing brain cells Something about their Acting skills. Jeez.
These mongrels sure as hell have made a whole Cult of weirdos into twisted simpy Suckers who the whole world now knows would murder Their parents for Whatever 'reason' too.
Let's look at their sick heads & pretend all they made up was true so - According to the 'studies' & seeing as they Both told The most graphic details about a Great Many incest & paedophilia acts Plus the convos that they could recall from their umm Perfect memories & allegedly all occurring through To adulthood from aged about 6, it is more than Likely that Both will be the Same offending incestuous paedophiles. Together with all that, they are both The most sadistic shotgun toting parent killers ever to be Caught, in recent history. Maybe if released, they'll move next door to You & Your family & they can carry on fake crying you a river, every single day. Just saying. LMAO.
One just has to take note of how Happy they were on the first hearing day in court, donning their latest brand new designer suits, heads held particularly high & their usual Arrogant smirks, to know exactly the type of Monsters they Truly ARE. It will always be astounding to us Normal people as to Why so many of you just believe their despicable Bullshit.
BTW - I'm sure Chris Watts deserves a 'chance' too soo, let's say 5 years & he gets to walk amongst us again yeah? How many kids should he have with the next wife?
N.B. Don't get rich because Your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
@@teewhee9425 Yeah, all sicko vicious parent killers have great personalities. BTW - Ted Bundy's girlfriend thought He was the Best too.
@@bethryan9077 uhh you're comparing him to a serial killer. he literally only killed his abusers. lol next
One of two of The biggest pathological Liars to ever walk this planet. Guess who the other one is?
Ugh.. she's not listening. Lyle is so entertaining! and the details are funny af... But then of course, she's another sleazy 'friend'. Sorry for Lyle in that, but at least we get to enjoy a candid conversation where his guard is down.
Their father was literally their biggest downfall, what a shame 😏
I mean if they were brought up in love they would have turned out so well, this family would have been one of the most successful family ever.
And they are saying the Lyle yaps a lot in this but when people are under a lot of stress they do weird stuff like talking too much......Also this was taped without Lyle knowing. Those two brothers were under so, so much pressure.
@@karenmbbaxter There was Zero evidence of abuse because it Didn't happen. Of course they knew about the Arnel Salvierra case of '86, where in '89 he was given 5 years probation only, because his lawyer argued abuse by the father who he shot 3 times when he was asleep. That abuse-excuse lawyer went on to be Erik's lawyer, Leslie Abrasom. Clearly she coached these mongrel brothers Very well for the 1st trial, with all their feigned tears, face pulling & long pauses before answering their Lawyers' questions. They had over 4 years before trial to practice their Performances. Their demeanor for the prosecutor's questions was Totally different, because they couldn't foresee what was coming next. After the hung jury announcement, Lyle was later recorded via jail phone with a female friend where he was Caught Out celebrating due to his fantastic Acting skills, as he Stated & Those recordings were made public. His lawyer barred him from testifying for the 2nd trial due to the cross examination by the prosecutor about that alone, which would have Showed them Both as Academy Award winning recipients & their lawyers sure as hell were Not going to let that happen. Got it yet?
@@bethryan9077its so crazy that you really act like you know the case lol
Please don't get rich, your kids will be more than capable of making up the exact same despicable lies about You too.
These mongrels sure as hell have made a whole Cult of weirdos into twisted simpy Suckers who the whole world now knows would slaughter Their parents for Money too. Shame on you all.
@@bethryan9077the evidence was stacked Man U don’t know it
The way she spoke wasn't reliable at all. Seemed trying to get information all the time.
Norma sounds so disinterested. Is she even listening? Mostly responds with uh huh and wow.
i agree!!!ha ha ha ha!
Yes Gregg Stevens said he went with Zoeller to a _____bar! I never saw Zoeller the same way again LOL. He was so good on the stand.
They really sound very dif off the stand .. like 180* wow
i knowdess that!
He has this sexy voice and sense of humor too he has his dad charisma in different way 😂no wonder he married a lot of time while in prison 😅🔥🔥
You're sick!
i agree!
What’s up with everyone who didn’t like the brothers wanting to obsessively lie and destroy their reputation like Jesus Christ!
so the entire time she secret rec him ? smh
Yeah, that just goes to show you can't trust anybody! This makes me so mad!
she:s sneaking!🤭
Lyle you are a great yapper.i mean it on a good way.start a podcast.
No Lyle keep your mouth shut. You share too much.
I understand at least what he felt. He was very nice to his friends, however they betrayed him as if Lyle didn't helped them at all to the point that they stood on the prosecution's side & even lied.
has anyone read the original book?
What original book?
@suzanuyanik9265 the one from Novelli
I literally can't understand what supposedly the wrong things he said here... I mean either I'm an idiot or everybody who shame him about it then are... Someone help me understand please
Two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole.
Who is this woman? She seems to have a Liverpool accent.
I was thinking Birkenhead... she's defo not a full blown scouser...a full blown scouser wouldn't betray him like that...plastic! 🤣
Who was he talking to ?
His lawyer she’s old and bitter now
Norma Novell
Lyle’s friends & ex girlfriend Jamie were really pieces of shit, I feel bad that they did him dirty
I love his voice ❤
Lmao. You’re free to go live on skid row there’s plants more like him 😂free country
so do i!
@ you’re a sick old lady ya
He should have taken the stand in the second trail. Erik had to do it by his self. This just proves that Jose was gonna give them money. So they didn't kill for money. I mean I get it he was cussing and being arrogant but it went to show it wasn't for the money. 😢
Who is he talking to?
who is the women he talking to in the phone?? she has English accent too 😮
Her name is Norma Novelli
She is English...sounds Birkenhead way
He must have received so many letters, I wonder why he chose her to trust
You know why Lyle didn't testify in the 2nd trial? These tapes would have killed his defense!
Yapped himself right into a life sentence.
maybe read the whole book. you see more of his character. for instance...he asked several friends to lie for him. (also his ex girlfriend)
@@cid7535 He has admitted all this.
Lyle and Eric lied too.
Not many people will ever get a taste of what the brothers had; what a waste
Taste of what sexual and psychological torment on a daily basis?
Do you mean people wouldn't get a taste of their supposed 'rich' lifestyle or people wouldn't get a taste of Jose Menendez's sperm when he molested them and ejaculated into their mouth and FORCED them to swallow it from a young age when they were often raped by him? It wasn't just once and so many people are coming out now saying they knew the father was brutal in his work place, with his sons at sport, an L.A. madam claims he booked her prostitutes a bit and he was into sadism......If that is 'the taste' you are talking about then I would rather be dirt poor.....Those young men were RAPED often by their father.
Yeah, a rapist father
i don"t know about that!
@@Dee-d8q what sodomy ? No thanks ! No money or gifts etc in the world could make me want that
It was never about the money if it was they would have gotten the money before they killed their parents
yeah i agree. I watch their direct examination hours upon hours and I don't think money is the problem. I would say NEVER a problem. I remember Lyle said, 'money just laying around the house', I was shocked what does it mean?? he explains that whenever his dad comes home, his wallet and money is on the counter everywhere. and Jose doesn't care if it was taken, something like that. Lyle and Eric could have taken it and do whatever. but Lyle had a credit card since he was 12, 13 like that ?? he had a car. so yeah they never had money problems. everything was paid by his dad. all they want is love from their parents... 😢
@@ryeofoatmealthat’s not what they said lol . Why lie like that?
No the parents cut them off at 18 and 21 the weekend before and why they did it. wtf
How is the internet still supporting these murderers is beyond me. It was so uncomfortable listening to those tapes. Lyle bragged about crying in the court to gain sympathy. He asked Norma for suggestions what all he could lie about to establish dr. ozile a liar. In the wake of all this, the judge even said that he would enter the evidence of abuse only and only if Lyle testifies, but he chose not to. He was already established himself as a liar and knew they'll shred his lie in cross examination. But the entire internet has developed some kind of amnesia or delusion.
🚨 Pam alert 🚨
They're not supporting them. Majority of the people want them to be free if they were actually abused because they served 30+ years for their horrible crime. I do personally believe they were abused. If not, then these dudes are the best actors in the entire world.
Nobody want to let grown ass men tell them why they did it. How can all of you decide what happened? No . They literately told us it was for money and they never were sexually abused by them. Listen to humans when they tell you . Let them be honest my God just why ?
Lyle sounds like a little mob guy with his Jersey accent. Between him and Norma, it’s like My Cousin Vinny. Even though Lyle claims abuse, he sure enjoyed living the good life on his father’s dime along with the promise of millions for cheating his way through college. He wasn’t afraid of his father; he just didn’t want to get a job or join the military. He reminds me of Trump.
He grew up in NJ hence the accent, that's a point against him now? Lol
You have your parents sezually abuse you and threaten to kill you and have someone say you weren't actually afraid of them and see how that feels .....
you’re stupid 😭 he didn’t wanna get a job so he killed his parents? like what, well if that’s the case he surely got what he wanted! he will never have to get a job in his life 😭 who tf kills someone because they don’t want to get a job, and mind you he didn’t have a job and was set to go back to uni so why would the job aspect be so important in his life at that point
You do know Trump was successful whether you like it or not,, odd comparison
@@hellokitty3935Right and also these werent lazy guys they were practice for 45 hours a week while going to school as kids their entry childhood wad very busy and people think they are lazy
And also after they killed their parents erik was plauing tennis for 8 to 10 hours a day and that was hjs job his career
Lyle bought a restaurant and worked there and also done couple deals and stuff he was trying to ho in his fathers way
They were working after the murders lol