TWA 747-100 takeoff FCO-JFK
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- Leaving Rome on our way back to New York aboard TWA Flight 841, July 21, 1997. Great video of the takeoff and climbout over the Tyrrhenian Sea. We then fly over Corsica and southern France before the video ends and we make the long trek back across the North Atlantic.
My first 747-100 flight was in 1976. TWA LHR-JFK. Then a 727 to STL. That jet sound is unmistakable. Made my heart race a little and almost shed a tear. If you've ever lived in St. Louis, you have a soft spot for this wonderful airline and the memories they made.
My first flight in a 747 was TWA from Rome to Tel Aviv with my parents in 1972. It was pouring rain, really hard. We had flown many times around Asia in other jets, but never a 747. The takeoff seemed sooo long... my mom and I looked at each other. When we finally lifted off, the actual ascent off the runway was also longer than what we were used to - and you could feel the weight of the incredible 747. I will never forget that moment, so absolutely cool. I was in love with 747s after that. Our TWA flight on the same 747 continued to Bombay, Bangkok, and finally Hong Kong. I remember listening to two songs which would repeat every hour: Argent's "Hold Your Head Up" and Looking Glass's "Brandy." Whenver I hear those songs, I remember that unforgettable trip. Thank you for posting this video, sir!
Sincerely, thanks for sharing that👍
This video is priceless. I'm from St. Louis, TWA's main hub. I grew up with TWA and their 747s. I always wanted to fly on one but never got the chance. This video at least gives me a sense of what it would be like to fly on one. This video captures the exact type of flight I would've wanted to be on. An international flight coupled with the long takeoff roll of a fully loaded 747, th 4 PW JT9Ds all combined into one to form that thunderous, low pitched hum. 747s are disappearing from passenger service worldwide, but I'll always cherish videos like these.
This is a real gem. There are not too many great videos of the Jt9D's humming like they are in this great clip. They sound so confident too! I flew mostly on Pan Am but I remember this sound so well. I reminds me of the days when pilots were actual pilots and travel was cool.(I also love how I can hear someone winding up a camera and taking pictures!) Thanks again and Godspeed.- Fox.
I got to fly on a couple 747-100's and 200's as a child in the 80's through mid 90's and remember this distinctive reverberating engine howl well. The sound was unlike any other plane I have ever been on: 727, 737, 747, 757, 767,777, a320, DC-8, DC-9, DC-10, or L-1011. I was an aviation fanatic as a child, so I fully appreciated, cherished, and took in the full experience of getting to fly on these early 747's. It is sad these early gen 747's have all been retired and modern 747's variants are seldom used but I understand the economics of the industry can no longer justify flying these big four engine behemoths unless every single seat is filled.
Honestly, I would be freaked out on that specific flight. It's a year and 4 days after TWA 800, on the same type of plane and same airline, on what would have been the literal return flight.
No 800 was to Paris not Rome.
@jazzmodern Paris was just the stopover. the plane would've continued to Rome after Paris
I still can't stop watching this video.....my last memory of a TWA 747 encounter in person was one I will never forget...I was playing soccer at my school in St. Louis...I believe it was just prior to Flight 800...all of a sudden, this gigantic plane soars over the field, having taken off several minutes earlier...I will never forget the whine of those JT9Ds and the smoke...everyone stopped the game to watch it...it was headed in a southwesterly direction, so I'm pretty sure it was STL-HNL.
It was in TWA's last colors. The one we flew to Rome had the double bar scheme. Both look beautiful.
Hey
Took TWA 840 and 841 JFK-FCO and FCO-JFK Many many many times on the magnificent 747 never forget the sounds and the beauty of that aeroplane sitting majestically at the gate, and the takeoff was something spectacular everytime, this huge plane racing down the runway and gracefully lifting into the air, gone are those days.
This was the very first international flight of my life, same year, only half a month later. It was great flying on the upper deck (with just 10 seats). I miss TWA. :(
Teeduba was an excellent airline like PanAm and sadly both are gone
Never flew with them because, well, i was born in 2010, but these airlines seemed really cool
By far the best 747 model made, the 100 has a beauty and nostalgia that cant be matched. They wiggled and wobbled and creaked, had a spiral staircase upstairs to a bar, it was a joy as a kid to fly on those things in the 80's. They dont make planes like these anymore, they went away from that style and its sad.
Spiral staircase was use on the Boeing 377 as well .
my favorite model is the 400 because its sleek and fits right between a modern and a old airliner and i had the privilege to fly on it.
The first couple of times I flew on a 747 were in the mid-to-late 80s from NYC to France and back on Air France. I clearly recall how, when the aircraft was loading and unloading passengers, the engine would make a distinctive ringing sound, like an alarm clock that wouldn't stop.
You're so right, the new aircraft don't have that same intimidating roar that you can hear from the distance, as they climb out.
Yes I have as an Australian experienced flight on board a TWA 747-131 in January 1984 from STL to LAX. It is a classic. Light passenger load for a domestic USA flight at the time with many seats free in coach walk around and sit where you please. Miss it all flew allot on TWA with a visit USA Airpass at the time with TWA. Flew on brand new MD80s and allot on the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar that I love as well.
Great service from TWA at the time:) All gone now.
@VTVuoto TWA operated several -200s starting around the mid-1980s and acquired several more -200s and -100s just months prior to TWA Flight 800. After that happened, TWA rushed its aging 747s, many of which were among the first off the production line, into retirement. This also culminated in the retirement of the L-1011s, DC-9s, and 727s as a way to drastically reduce the average age of their fleet from over 20 years old to around 10. Sadly it wasn't enough to survive. Keep those videos coming!
You know what I hate about modern society. Everything like airplanes are efficient and designed perfectly and have capabilities so effortlessly that they dont even have to try. But what you lose is the excitement, the sounds of the roaring engines, the way your heart races when your rolling down the runway. I grew up and flew tons internationally in the 80s and there isnt a modern plane to me that feels 1/10th as exciting. I wouldnt be such a luddite to say that planes were better then than now. Of course they are infinitely better. They are so quiet because they have so much capability they can routine things with so much less effort and therefore less noise, but the soul is gone. And the older I get the moee soul is more important to me than this artificial perfected material world.
552mustang I'm with you on that...
Flew out on a B757, back on a 787. I was impressed by the Dreamliner, but the old 757 with its buzzsaw engine howl just brought a broad smile to my face as it surged up into the sky. still felt tempted to follow the FO on his walk around before boarding just to make sure. My favourite ever flight - an Ilyushin IL18. I have just come to accept the paradox in this and be (almost) cool about it...
552mustang
You summed it up perfectly.
The 777 won't retire anytime soon, it has a very nice ROAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!! >:D
The 757 has buzzing engines.
TheModelFlightChannel the Ge-90 is the new king of engines. Big and that roar
Thank you for posting. This video brought back my own memories of flying a TWA 747-100 STL-LGW in August of 1996.
My mother was a FA for TWA for 14 years from 1985-1999. She flew to Rome many times and it was one of her favorite places.
I don't think there were many TWA 747 flight's after this so you have got a pretty historic clip here so thanks for posting.
In any case, I have been searching for a video like this for years. I had given up hope practically 'til I saw this. Very good to see a TWA 747 still going strong...it's likely this aircraft may have been retired shortly after you filmed this. February 1998 was the last revenue flight for the TWA 747.
Wow. That takeoff roll started at 0:39, full thrust came in at around 0:46, but it didn't rotate until 1:36...
Takeoff being my favorite part, you wouldn't hear me complaining!
dude i love those pw jt9d sounds great video
These are the real thing I was on a northwest flight in 94 going to japan and those engines where also pw jt9d
Ge does the same if not louder
@@toyotaandlexussupercharged6699 GE just whines loudly and barely has that growl you get from the JT's.
Flight 841, I took it often! First time in 1973, there were 9 people on board, 4 of whom were up front in 1st Class. I was seated in the front economy section, the flight attendant ("Stewardess") asked me to move to the rear of the aircraft because of balance issues. I was astounded, but complied. Seating on the early 747s was 3-4-2, plus legroom. Service was great, but it was my first flight with a flight attendant younger than I was, and I was flying on a Youth Fare Ticket, $199. RT New York/FCO. FL 842 would take me back to Italy and Med School.
Love the Pratt & Whitney jet sound. Awesome.
@bananamanuk Thanks for your reply....the takeoff roll was about 60 seconds! And yes, this 747 had the new livery. I have a lot of other TWA videos aboard the DC-9, MD-80, L-1011, 767-200, 757-200, & the 727-200. I'll get those up soon.!
My parents sat in the nose of a Continental 747-100 from EWR to HNL a few decades back.
I like the sound engine
My dad told me once about the time he boarded into a Boeing 747 from TWA, his seat got switched to the upper deck because the lower was packed.
Wow
A bit eerie to think that the video ends probably near the relative altitude at which TW 800 occurred. Almost a year to the day earlier.
I have a book on TWA. Details every aircraft they've ever owned, including retirement date and date they entered service. It's by RG Davies: title is "TWA: An Airline and Its Aircraft." I'd highly recommend it if you want to know everything there is to know about it. They also make one on Eastern, Delta, and Pan Am.
Outstanding video!! Good ole days of flying.
This videos a bit freaky, as thats the same airline, version of 747 and same destination as TWA 800 and near when it had happened.
best passenger plane ever built, the -100 was awesome and its sad to not see them in the air anymore but its understandable because they are so old.
Look at the #2 engine when the plane takes off, its bouncing all over the place, love it. I miss the sound of those old P&W's the newer 747's dont have that roar to them like the -100 did.
C 5a is most interesting sounding airplane with loud engines!!
I miss these beauties...if I could go back in time, I would probably want to go back to the late 1980s and early 1990s just to be immersed in 727s, 747 classics, L-1011s, and DC-10s...classic aircraft like these had style and sound that today's airliners just don't have.
Beautiful classic. Miss her soo much..
The engines sound like tge fishtanks at WalMart.
IKR XD
@@titan9259 haha
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@crocodile1313
Unfortunately my own memories of TWA aren't so fond. I flew them near their end in 1996. The fact that flight 800 had gone down one month earlier also meant they were short a 747. Ours went tech on the ramp and threw all of the intl' departures off schedule.
Terminal-side service was pretty poor and the aircraft all showed their age. I am glad to have had the chance to fly a 747 and all, but wish it could have been back in the airline's glory days.
That is one long takeoff roll. About 50 seconds from maxing thrust to liftoff. Must be very hot (July in Rome) and probably very heavy too.
Safety parameters at takeoff include consideration for one engine failing and being able to safely get airborne. Since most modern airliners have two engines, takeoffs are much faster as 200% of necessary thrust must be used to achieve this safety margin. In the case of a 747 or an A340, only 150% of necessary thrust is used as there would still be 3 running engines in the event of a single failure. Even as far back as the late 90's, fuel cost mattered and, therefore, the least necessary thrust was used at takeoff.
Correct, and the one Iran Air flies I believe was one of the last -100s ever built. It entered service in 1979, very late for a -100. However, this still makes it 33 years old. The -100 in this video was very like one of the first ones built. Since the video's author comments it was in the new TWA colors, this leads me to conclude this was likely N93108, among the first 747s off the production line in 1970. Orient Thai may also still be flying -100s.
those JT9D's sound so musical!
Yes. They fly N93101, which was the first Boeing 747 in service with TWA and the fifth one off the production line. It's PW engines actually are JT9D-3s..they still have the original open blow-in doors. They acquired the following 741s from TWA in 1975...N93102, N93103, N53111 (blew up over Madrid after being struck by lightning in 1976), N53112, N93113, N93114, and N93118. N93119 was supposed to go there as well, but ended up staying with TWA until it blew up as Flight 800. in 1996.
Nice video! Love the 100 ;) thx for sharing
I miss that beautiful plane. Took many trips on it.
I enjoyed watching this, it felt like you were motoring along the runway for ages. I have to admit it's been a good few years since I flew on a 747, in fact the last time was a TWA 747 in 1995! Really nice graceful climb out. The engines on this 747 looked very clean and freshly painted, did you fly on one of the TWA 747's that had the new livery? I have a feeling this could have been one. Thanks for sharing a piece of history.
Hard to think of the 747 as a classic. The old JT9Ds had a confident sound, didn't they. Thanks for doing this and sharing it.
This plane was without a doubt fully loaded and was probably around 26-27 years old in this video. That takeoff roll was over 50 seconds. I initially guessed this aircraft to be registration number N93108 given it is a -100 in new colors. However, the middle left wing slat of N93108 and a white piece to it, something I don't see here, so it must've been another -100 in the new colors. Strange thing is that the Boeing 777-200LR and 777-300ER have both considerably more max takeoff weight than the 747 classic with much higher thrust, yet don't have near as much passenger capacity as these old birds.
Engine tech as changed a lot since that 100 was certified, I like the sound, :-)
I believe that the TWR of a twinjet is typically higher, as they have to be certified to work with 50% of their thrust missing while a quadjet only has to work with 25% of its thrust missing.
@jetfreak4 Yeah, you can't find a lot of these older videos anywhere. I have many more, so I'll be posting them soon. I'm grateful that my dad filmed all of these flights, so I could enjoy them years later. Wow, I didn't know their last 747 flight was in Feb 98. They had a few 747-200s also, right?
What a great video. It's almost like being on board. I just love the sound of those Pratt & Whitney JTD's. Now if only they would release the fasten seat belt sign. Thanks for posting.
That was a long t.o. roll. Awesome airplane.
You guys were heavy! Wow... TWA 747...classic...miss that airline.
I miss the sound of those engines!! Beautiful.
Oh, those JT-9s 😎
That was a woman sitting next to my dad winding a disposable. Ah, the good old days. No cell phone cameras. lol
I heard it! Knew exactly what it was, LOL
@@markh4906 me too, kids and teens these days never had to deal with film of any kind like we did. Ive actually seen kids who seek out polaroid camera and film and think they are "vintage" cool, that used to be all we had for instant pictures remember having to go to the drug store and wait days just to see if they turned out right? Not to mention those employees always saw them before you, any nekkid pics etc. haha
Hi.....I'm so glad this video brought back those great memories! Maybe you were working this very flight?? My mother was a flight attendant, so we were able to travel all the time, which was a blessing. I have many more videos to upload, including flights on the L-1011, DC-9, 727-200, 767-200, etc. Thank u for the comment!
H-How did you record this masterpiece when technology was still so young there weren’t even phones that we see today in the 21st century invented the fact that this was recorded in 1997 was just astonishing
Great video! I wish we could have TWA back!
Niklas Enblom same with pan am
Same with northwest.
Same with the Twin Towers and meal service on long-haul domestic flights.
Max Wils Valujet
+Max Wils yes to this!!
@VTVuoto
Just twice. I flew Trans World AUS-STL-LGW in August of 1996. The same trip was also my only 2 trips aboard a DC-9 (a -30). I've been aboard countless Mad Dogs since then, but I will always remember the -9.
TWA wasn't much to my mom's liking, so we switched to Delta for future London trips after this. I was lucky enough to fly them both when they still flew the MD-11 and the 777 was brand-new in service.
Thanks for sharing! Great sound and view!
I recall flying in 1957 from South Carolina to Libya on an air force C-121 (constellation),..it was great to look down on the Med and view the blue sea and see a ship making its way east
@hzzlrp10 Oh no problem. I love watching this video over and over. I miss TWA. Wow, how many times did you fly aboard the 747-100??
Do you happen to remember the registration of this bird? Was it in the standard TWA red stripes, the new colorscheme, or neither?
As neat as the old turbojets sound, I feel like the beats created by the phasing would get really old really quick.
I have one of the engine cowlings from this very airplane
I remember flying a classic boeing 747 to Taiwan when i was little. I'll be flying again in a 747 this year to China.
Love the "harmonic balance" at 3:40
Damn! Them engines were really noisy back in the day!
twa flight 841? 😬😬
Can't help but see/hear about a TWA 747 and not think about it, you can actually see THE plane taking off from LAX in a video from a few years earlier. Eerie.
Love it!
@Diddy1970AD Yeah, they began to phase them out. I'm so glad I got to fly aboard a classic airliner like this.
We were on *TWA 841*: Rome - New York Kennedy in mid *July* of 1995 on a *747-100*
Royals Fan At the time TWA had the oldest fleet of 747s
@@dhtelevision there is a saying in Italian that says la gallina vecchia fa buon brodo. Meaning old but reliable and dependable. Like and old Chevrolet they just run and run and run.
I can't help thinking but u must be crazy to travel with TWA after TWA flight 800!
I'll bet TWA flew with a lot more fuel in their center fuel tanks after flight 800. As GamleErik pointed out, plenty of other airlines were flying older model B747s in the late 1990s, including British Airways, Northwest Airlines, United Airlines and Virgin Atlantic to name a few.
I've crossed the atlantic 13 times. 11 of those times was with TWA. The only reason that I don't fly them anymore is because they are gone. They were a fantastic airline that treated their passengers like family. I wish today's airlines would come close to that kind of service. They don't.
Does anyone else ever notice that the takeoff roll of a big jet always seems short when you're standing outside looking at it comming d9wn the runway, but seems a lot longer when you're inside the plane? I doubt the speed of the plane would have any physical effect such as warping spacetime when you approach the speed of light? But for me, this always seems so noticeable.
How heavily loaded was this flight? Because the takeoff roll is about as long as a typical trans-pacific one. Then again, the classic 747s were not much heavier than a 777, actually had a shorter wingspan, and produced about the same amount of thrust...amazing to think that two GE-90s easily could've lifted a classic 747 into the air.
The Iran Air -100 is a -100B series which is actually newer than their -200s. I have been lucky enough to fly on the Iran Air -100B, a -200 and three of their four -SPs. The only original -100s left flying are with the Iran Air Force.
They also acquired N93101 in 1975, sorry for leaving that out.
But 747-100 can still fly.....
Long takeoff roll, i thought they were driving to destination
It’s all good until the captain says “We have luggage unaccounted for and must delay takeoff, relax as I set the A/C to full blast”
Same route and a almost a year after TWA 800!, even similiar flight numbers!
Same route? TWA 800 was JFK-CDG, not even the same city pair. Yes, you are right that it was just over a year earlier and this B747 would have been of similar vintage. What an absolutely horrible tragedy that crash was, still makes me sad when I think about it. As well as the human loss, it also signified the beginning of the end of TWA as their turnaround plan was just starting to pick up steam when flight 800 fell from the sky.
@thesmart67 No problem.....thanks for watching an commenting. Yes, I love the roar of those engines all humming together!
was that taken from a regular video camera back in 97
I'm guessing those engines are the JT9D-7A's?
not sure if they are A's, they are definitely jt9d's though.
In 1996 we were scheduled to fly on TWA flight #800 JFK-CDG to visit my aunt in Belgium. Our flight was two weeks after that flight blew up after departing JFK as we all know. So two weeks later we're sitting in the TWA terminal waiting to board and my wife says to me "I'm scared, it's the same flight number, why didn't they change the number?". To make her feel better (and myself a bit) I said... "Come on honey, it's better they don't change to flight number. Think about it, what are the odds the same flight number on the same airline is going to have a disaster?" No shitting, 30 seconds later, TWA comes on the PA and tells everyone that they're changing the flight number. My wife looked at me and said "See what you did!? LMAO
I've never been on an international flight in a 747 but I did fly on an NWA 747-200 domestically - I have to say that long takeoff roll and shallow initial climb look really foreign to me. But then I think of all the fuel they're carrying.
wow what a beauty. Are there any 747-100 remaining in flight today? passenger versions.
Cool watching the LEDs retract as the flaps go up anf then hearing the ROPE sync the engines. ROPE(really old pilot engineer) If you busted an F/O upgrade you could get fired so many FEs stayed as F/Es for along time.
@VTVuoto Well, if it was wearing the full new TWA colorscheme, there's only two 747-100 registrations that I know of which it could possibly be...either N93108 or N128TW. I know there was at least one -200 that wore that scheme too. N93108 was also nicknamed "Star of Madrid." Do you by chance remember seeing that title near the aircraft's nose?
is there a HD cam on 1997
Is that a BA 757 in the background??
Was this a 747-131, or was it an aircraft which they bought from another airline?I know that they even had an old KLM 206B at one point.It was quite sad to see that these big iconic US carriers started to fall apart and disappear during the 90's.
Isn't the Iran Air Force flying one of the first 747 ever and the oldest 747 still in service? As far as I know, they still got 8 747-100 in service, the oldest one was built in 1969.
Runway 16R, a rough calculation is it used 9300ft and the roll was 50 seconds….awesome!
Ahh. a great airline flies again (I wish!)
this is a recording of a tv screen?.....
I wonder if water injection was used?
Hello..I personally also knew a Boeing 747 F/E who flew for PanAm who never wanted to upgrade. He was making a very nice salary as an F/E and also flre for the Cal ANG as a reserve pilot. Flying on 747s and F-106s part time. What a way yo earn a living. Speaking of PanAm, one 747 PanAm CA who's wifew I worked with found out PanAm was out ob business while on vacation ! Anyway, some F/Es never wanted to promote or perhaps are "limited" on medical certificates as well as another reason/.
Iran Air operates one passenger 747-100, 3 passenger 747-200's, and 4 747SP's (the SP's are my favorite) and there might be others, but thats the only airline I know of.
Are you sure that’s a 747-100? The description says you flew at 1997.
It is a -100. This variant is the first variant of the 747. Introduced in 1970.
@@GarlandTexasSpotter2024 yeah I know
TWA 800?
I flew TWA . It was a great airline until Carl Icaan got a hold of it !
Monte, I'm very interested by your comment....is there a reason so many FEs were never promoted besides just that? I was told by some that you didn't become a captain back then until you were in your upper 40's.