Very happy that werewolves can become immortal because OBVIOUSLY I'm gonna have a vampire and werewolf with a forbidden love that spend the rest of eternity together
It would have been awesome if we could have become Fated Mates with non-werewolves. A vampire/werewolf fated mate relationship would have been awesome!
@@Tusskie yeah almost every mosquito bite I get ends up scarring. Or even just a paper cut like you. Stupid mosquitoes and sometimes ants or splinters.
@@Tusskie My brother was the same. Most of his scars before age 14 or so. The worst was age 11. He was playing kick-ball on wet grass at school, slid and hit his knee on a brass sprinkler head. The people at the ER were shocked that he didn't snap his patella because it went all the way through to the bone. His corduroy pants were soaked with blood below the knee.
Two of my worst scars are from when I was 7 or 8! The first was from a McDonald’s playground (80’s) bouncing Grimace, which actually scraped my shin bone. The other was from riding a Krazy Karpet tied to a snowmobile, through a cornfield. Do not recommend. I have a large facial scar from that one, my cheek was cut from my mouth almost to my ear. It’s almost invisible though, unless I’m wearing makeup. Also, I completely get how you need to relate everything to yourself. I do the same thing, and I’m also autistic.
i think the best way to make the werewolves not look like furries would be if instead of just using regular sim legs with fur, they made the legs look like the hind legs of a wolf
Look up “digitigrade suits”. There are fur suits that have animal legs, aka digitigrade. Any addons would still make it a furry since it’s a wolf that stands on two legs.
I think varied body types would help. They all look like a costume instead of a real body if that makes any sense? Like why can't the female/makes look more different from each other? Bigger/smaller ears, different shoulders, small/large chest, skinny/beefy, more varied snouts, bigger claws, TAILS. Idk cartoony werewolves can look non furry like but it doesn't seem like they even tried too.
Idk the amount of animations and interactions they would have to redo might not be worth slightly different legs lmao Besides, I can guarantee that tails/better legs will be the first things modders do for this pack
Im sorry to inform you but like 60% of furries have digitigrade / animal-like legs ... LOL... speaking as a furry myself furry = humanoid animal so a werewolf is going to be furry no matter how much you alter it. Guess the only thing you could do it make it look hella ugly
I think that they thought about that, like they did with tails, but decided against it because it wouldn't work with clothing items and certain animations
It would make a WORLD of difference if the werewolves had unique body types instead of "Sim with fur". I'm thinking hunched like in Skyrim with big, broad shoulders and longer snouts. Yes, they would have to create new animations for them. No, that's not asking too much of them.
You would need to sacrifice interactions with regular items and activities for that, because it would need a new skeleton and the regular animations wouldn't apply. They would need to Remake or refit EVERY animation in the game. Every interaction. That's not work for the turnover of a pack.
@@MiloKuroshiro It's a werewolf DLC, I feel like making animations for werewolves is probably the most important part of the DLC. As a consumer it's not my responsibility to make sure they get a good profit, it's my responsibility to decide what I would and wouldn't purchase from them and this poor level of quality isn't it. So I'm not really interested in discussing how much money they make or may not make from this. I'm talking about the quality of what they have produced as shown in this video.
@@MiloKuroshiro i actually think it was doable just with playing with cas a little, like adding more "fur" on the back of the neck and back for more of a hunched look + making the head bigger and also limiting the swinging motions while in cas etc.
@@availlaponcet5877 they’re just trying to make you understand why your.. demands? won’t be answered by the game developers but if you must continue stating your demands for a company to not act as a company from a self righteous yet illogical pov then you go ahead and cope however you need
It seems to me that my wedding stories has now set a precedent for EA of giving the sims team shorter and shorter deadlines because they can release glitchy packs and just “patch it up” later
This last roadmap had shorter turnovers with a way smaller team. There's less people working on Sims 4 than ever. EA/Maxis are just pumping them out underbaked with not much care for QA, but this pack is a bit different for one big reason: Werewolves work using a couple of frameworks that are already built into the game. The CAS is based on the Cat and Dogs CAS framework, the skills and transformation are based on the Vampires, the Aspiration, story and packs are based on the Batuu framework. That makes things way smoother to work with, not like the Wedding ones, that is a new system that just try to overwrite and overpower regular Sims AI routines and fails completely because Sims are too stuck up and hard coded to follow a couple of things
I think you’re right, and we as a community need to make sure that they actually have interest in/ea actually gives the team the resources to create the packs we need 😭
Yeah, they've been going the Bethesda(/insert AAA game company here) route. It's been coming for a while, wouldn't be surprised if they just gave up with trying and started releasing unfinished packs
so glad u talk about the traits thing, so many traits are missing and every game/expansion pack should come with one (at least). feels like not enough gamechangers talk about it either. the whole game is centered around traits so missing out on that opportunity hurts so bad
I keep saying, just half-jokingly, that Sims 2 zodiacs gave sims more personality than Sims 4 traits did. Of course, S2 also had interests, hobbies, attraction and all that cool stuff on top, but still.
imo, the traits are also faulty in that theres 1. just three available, which really limits how diverse a sim can be, and 2. there are too many non-personality traits. fx, being lactoce intolerant is Not a personality trait, and i dont wanna take up a traits slot for smth thats not personality
@@lamoracbracegirdle5320 It's really annoying that, when I make myself, I have to decide between what I'm like and giving myself the "vegetarian" trait so I don't eat a steak randomly.
You already have groups for that. Packs don't work like most people think they do. Packs are like the Empire and the Resistance in Batuu. They're groups with their leveling system and sidestory. You cant create your pack in the same way you can't create your team on Batuu. It's the same system and framework. "Creating your own pack" dont make sense in this system.
@@MiloKuroshiro simmers know how packs work. But please ask yourself why it has to be like that? I mean why did EA do it that way? Because it's less work on their part of course. But should it be this way? In my opinion it's a bad design and they should change it in the future. This is supposed to be a sandbox like game, where you play with life, however you want to. At least that's what the previous games were and what EA advertised when 4 released. I think being able to create packs is something that should be in the game. Especially because it makes the gameplay more customized to each simmer, adds depth and long-term gameplay and is in essence what the Sims does best. 🙂
@@MiloKuroshiro yes, this. It seems like it was a deliberate choice (not a workaround or shortcut or whatever) and it opens up other avenues of gameplay that group-style packs wouldn’t. In an ideal world it’d be cool if all of the options were available, or if you could customize and/or create packs yourself, but ideal is often not realistic when budgets and schedules are involved. I’m curious to see how many of the werewolf specific interactions get added to the Get Together groups. Whether or not it’s present, I’m sure modders will be able to do a lot to customize those systems.
I can't believe they don't even have a new trait with this! like wtf; I know the traits like don't even matter in Sims 4 lol, but come onnnnn. The entire trait system needs a huge overhaul.
That's aspiration. We are definitely lacking traits. Some Moon related for normal Sims, fear of Werewolves maybe, a lot trait for Werewolf babies. Traits for Werewolves themselves are kinda included in the progress tree at least, so there is that at least.
I think one thing that would make the wolves less furry and less uncanny valley would be if they changed the legs from human legs to more canine legs. And maybe hunch the back a bit…idk, it’s weird looking at a Werewolf with human legs. Looks like a sim in a furry suit peace and love. The world looks really nice. Giving Pacific Northwest vibes, so it feels like home.
This. Exactly this. I have had to use MCCC so many times, jumping in and out of CAS, and once or twice I've had to recreate an entire Sim from scratch just to have their occult types (and to reset perk points for vampires and spellcasters, when I want to play a premade's background). I wish there was a way to reset those perk points, since the rest is doable with cheats. But yeah, I have accidentally made a spellcaster that I decide would make a better vampire midway through CAS and it's such a pain to not be able to just switch it like I can in Sims 3.
@@aduckofsomesort bro exactly, people saying they look like furries don’t even know what furries are. Furries are an animal standing on two legs. So basically werewolves ARE furries. By definition humans are furries too, we are great apes who are bipedal, FURRIES.
I think the flaws with the werewolf design is the eyes and the snout. The eyes are wayy to small and uncanny and the snout is too short like it makes me uncomfy 😬
The Werewolves are 100% serving me 2019 Live Action CATS movie and I am *NOT* here for it. I'm so torn because I *love* the gameplay elements, world, CAS and build buy but they're just *SO* cursed that I'm not sure I can get past it. My soul actually left my body when I saw the way that they run when they're enraged 😂😂😂😭 I can't cope.
With another world with more empty lots, throw in the zodiac system from the previous games and actual memories. I feel like a zodiac system makes it so they have more personality. I also think some of the physical things like lactose intolerant would be genetic traits instead of "personality" traits... theres so much that could make this so much better. Seeing how this pack makes me so hopeful for what can be done.
I would also like for them to homogenize the other occults to have this amount detail. Even ghosts could have had an update with Paranormal. Aliens, Ghost’s, PlantSims and Mermaids kinda got slagged.
@@omel9424 it's a necessary refresh. Rabbits need a refresh too, why are they stuck outside? My house bunny lives a fancy, indoor life and I want my Sims to have them in their families as well.
Definitely want this pack but I’ll also definitely be waiting to find out if it’s fixed and functional before release because EA can’t keep getting away with releasing unfinished products, hope other people do the same.
@@GeoMusic99 yup, and NEVER preorder! Because the people that do that are basically just locking themselves in to pay no matter how broken or bad the pack is. It's even before day 1.
As a console player, I’ve gotten used to holding back from purchasing until there’s definitive evidence that there’s minimal bugs in the packs, I can’t be wasting money on something I can’t play and am unable to mod to make playable
@@viddeliten I never understood preordering downloadable content. When it's a physical copy of something, especially a collector's item, I can understand it, but preoredering something digital that you can download at any time once it's released just doesn't make sense. Definitely better to wait until it's actually released so you know whether it's worth the money.
Right the biggest disappointment ever is that we cant create our own wolf packs i mean isnt that a huge part of being a werewolf it was the same with spellcasters not being able to be to chose a side of magic like light or dark.
@@jazzbuchanan8478 It's also the same with vampires, far as I've noticed which is sad. I totally would love to have say a Count Dracula, or Katherine Pierce in charge of creating their own vampire clan/coven and ya know doing things like participating in world domination instead of being forced to join one side or the other.
the werewolf howling thing is just a problem with occults in cas in general. My spellcasters do their lil thingy way too much and the vampires hiss way too often as well
Seems to be a trend in later games with character customization, like in Fallout 76 when creating a character I end up constantly telling the char to *stop fecking moving.* They arch their eyebrows, smile randomly, and look around a lot when they should really hold still (especially as unlike in Fallout 4 from whence the assets are ripped, Fallout 76's player characters aren't involved in cutscenes that animate their faces).
So glad the video came out came out before the pack comes out because I was nervous that they would completely mess it up honestly but it looks alright actually and I’m kinda very excited 😁
@HollowLunax I wasn't referring to Plumbella. I was talking about the ones who act like being a game changer or whatever it's called now is their only personality trait. But pop off with the passive aggressive comments sis. You must have a lot of friends. 🤣
Am the same way Danni, it took stuff by FalseHope, Sacrificial and Zero to make them somewhat better. I personally like the prospect of having Katherine Pierce (sim based wonderfully on Katverse's version of her) killing others, and being evil, ditto Count Dracula (whom I've tried to base on the late yet delightfully yummy Christopher Lee's portrayal of him). Yet there's no (as said previously) opportunity to create your own vampire group and take over. Even worse, Forgotten Hollow's like so very small, I generally have my vampire characters relocate to Windenburg, Willow Creek or Brindleton Bay as there are more lots there and have been using TMex's Create A World along with map mods to provide a much better look than in some cases a modern one due to my enjoyment of historical periods. That ea didn't even think to do any of the things others have done is disheartening
I think the disconnect for me with the appearance of werewolves is that, for how grungy and torn up/dilapidated the world and clothes seems to be (as well as how werewolves tend to be characterized in other places) the werewolves are not scary enough. Like I feel like I'm just watching the dog version of the Cats movie because everything seems so soft and smooth and disarming. Even with the scars, bites, and ear notches they don't seem threatening at all. Completely takes me out of it.
@@Pironesia omg I loved the werewolves in the vanhelsing movie I was gobsmacked when vanhelsing turned into that big massive black beast he looked so cool
@@laurenmacfarland3718 Yeah but the sims teams literally said if you do that you won't have the same options a normal wolf pack would which is annoying
@@laurenmacfarland3718 I think so at the very least, but I was really hoping to be able to make full fledged packs that could like inhabit other worlds too instead of being tied to Moonwood Mill completely. It feels a bit Strangerville in that aspect, so I hope we get something that helps.
I hope there will be a mod where i can add a tail because i didn’t see it in cas in the video soo hopefully tails are in the fixed / final release (Edit : yeah im a furry i guess)
I'm really glad the Sims team is listening to us about lore, but I hope they eventually start SHOWING us the lore in actual gameplay instead of just telling us about it on the world maps. Paragraphs of descriptive text isn't cutting it for me. Kind of like the table you mentioned with the book propping up one of the legs, that's a perfect example of showing evidence of some kind of story. Sims 3 really excelled in that.
I am worried about how fast EA is forcing their Sims teams to work on these packs, I would much rather they get a few good months to work on a couple of packs that are well made, glitch free, and made by well rested people who were able to work at a steady pace. I don't care for kits much, just wish the major packs would have all the depth the game's predecessor had 😔👉👈 ALSO- MISSED Opportunity to include FERAL as some kind of trait, even if it was just for the werewolves to have. What if we could've had like, rebels or daredevils or something? 😞
Yeah, I feel like maybe it's related to how they seem to want TS4 to be more "universal" or "family friendly" than prior games even though it's still T for Teen. Players have complained for years about lack of stakes and things feeling too tame.
I have never been so excited for a pack since Seasons came out, ngl. Also imagine dressing your werewolf self in the hamster costume for My First Pet Stuff and pretending you’re a were-hamster🤣🤣🤣
YES, CHEAP LOOKING FURNITURE Thank you for saying it Plumbella, I always wanted cheap things in the Sims. I want to be able to play a poor family or a post-collapse world where you need to farm to get your food.
The lack of new traits is really odd. Wouldn't Werewolves have some unique traits (and probably emotions) to really make them werewolves? I hope the pack is fixed on launch because EA needs to show Sims players that they can produce a quality pack. It's not okay to ask us to spend money on broken packs!
there are 27 traits exclusive to werewolves that are called tempermants i think, they're really fun and great to be fair i gotta hand it to them on this one.
wait a minute...... now hold on.... THEY RELEASED A WEREWOLF PACK AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE WEREWOLVES **you named my daughter after the loch ness monster voice**
It's the lack of tails for me, smh 😤 The uncanniness, for me at least, comes from the head just not matching the body, as well as the body itself. The head is too small and short, and the body is too long and straight. I wish the body was more bestial-anthro, but I suppose their choice for body was to reduce the amount of animations they'd need to redo. Regardless, I'm just glad they look more wolf-like than the Sims 3 werewolves! BUT THEY NEED TAILS. I really do wish they would have incorporated more integration with pets, such as being able to play tug-of-war with dogs (like you can with other wolves), chasing cats, etc. (and it would have been so cool to get the pack leader wolf like in TS2!). The lack of new traits is honestly abysmal.
it would've been the perfect opportunity to get some better looking sideburns/mutton chops in CAS, but now you tell me there's no new facial hair??? no new teeth or eye colors in human form either? what if i wanted my sim to look like a hybrid without going full furry?
I would kill for better 3D in-game facial hair. This pack really should have included some patchy beards, unkempt beards, and DEFINITELY some proper scruffy sideburns. I say this as someone who makes maybe 25% of my Sims as male, because of the lack of options for them in general. Well, that and I'm a lesbian who prefers looking at women when I dare load up the game and try to have fun.
@@infpdreams Me but in reverse. 25% of the sims I make are female for the second reason lol But I agree, this was a perfect opportunity to add more varied types of facial hair as well as the eyes like the OP said.
@@thesnep4757 I'm glad I'm not alone, haha! Happy Pride, by the way, and I hope your guys eventually get some good facial hair one day, since the ones we have are a bit bland and limited.
I wish spellcasters were more involved in the occults lore. I actually love playing with them, but they are so left behind when it comes to interacting with other occults.
Too true. In my mind, they're just a neutral party that's too caught up with their whole magic world being broken and all to give a shit about werewolves and vampires. That's just my take so they at least have some reason they're not as involved.
Right? I don't know if it's a feature and I've just missed something, but I wish some occults had a custom fight animation. And it'd be cool if vampires and/or werewolves became tense or scared when near spellcasters they aren't friends with because they're powerful
when did we just accept and allow for packs to come with like 4 new lots… previous iterations of this game had huge expansive worlds that were so customisable. there’s no excuse for the sims 4. it’s just so so sad. ~thank u for this vid as always jesse
i’d love for game packs to come with more lots though. these worlds feel so empty. the whole game feels empty. & in 2022 we shouldn’t have to pay $$$ to decide between gameplay OR lots, we should have both. especially from a corporation like EA :(
yeah i still feel like 9 is awful haha🫣, maybe i’m just spoilt from playing sims1/2/3 but i just don’t understand how they can’t get bigger worlds to run properly? surely considering the money pumped by this game they should be able to engineer a world with 30 lots to work? especially considering they could do it in 2004 haha😵💫 it just hurrrts i feel like this game has soo much potential and they’re not being given a chance to execute it properly!
I have a (German) 5th Great Grandfather named Wolfinger. I would have used that surname if it was up to me. I don't know if I will get the pack, but I may use that name if I ever create a werewolf. I suck at CAS so it would be randomized.
Traits are such a missed oportunity.... even the mermaid ones were kinda dissappointing. A feral trait couldve been fun! No utenciles for eating, the possibility to get fleas, the urge to just dig holes in the ground, a special connection with dogs if you have pets installed, hating indoors...
the fact that vampires and werewolves hate each other on spot makes the whole thing so much better because twilight vibes and thats the only reason i pre ordered this pack so i could recreate twilight in sims for my channel lol
I like that they hate each other from the get go. I just hope you will be able to improve the relationship between werewolves and vampires to a point where they are able to get along with each other if that's the sort of narrative you're wanting to tell. It's one I'd like to do certainly, I love the idea of these two occults that traditionally hate each other having members of said occult that like each other.
@@mem5091 yeah i knows it’s part of the mythology, but it reminds me of twilight when ever i think vampires and werewolves my mind automatically goes to twilight.
I wonder if the werewolves will be better at gaining medium ability skill like the spellcasters can. I haven't tried with vampires yet but I have a feeling it will work good. Like you gain spellcaster purple gains from preforming with ghosts from paranormal stuff. So I'd hope that since they are werewolves they'd have a faster natural ability to learn to speak to ghosts and cast the circles.
@@destructodanie Vampires do not gain the medium skill any faster than human sims; I was really disappointed by that. I figured it'd make MORE sense for them than spellcasters. I doubt werewolves will gain it faster either.
I'm a console player and I really agree with the items in debug being put as real decorations bc on console you have to activate cheats to yk have moveobjects, liveedit and stuff but when you activate cheats it takes away your ability to have achievements. I feel like I should be able to have my plant closer to my desk or have free landscaping without not being able to have achievements.
Same here. I play on console and I agree it should be available without disabling achievements, especially when debug is just for build items and not giving free money.
@@beep3242 I second this, but for ps4. You can do bb.moveobjects without having to do testingcheats true. Debug however...no. They really should make those two cheats usable on consoles.
@Kat they did show create a sim on stream tho? They literally showed how painting works, as well as painting on scars and the differences between linked and unlinked werewolves
@@Winter0721 same I don’t really understand and I’ve interacted with the community a bit and most are just kids with cute characters they came up with.
Im not a fan of the werewolves, but I'm extremely excited for everything else. Ive been working on a game which takes place after an apocalypse, so all these assets and the world space is a blessing.
Omg there could be so many traits in this pack, like aggressive, calm, didn't want to become a werewolf, excited to be a werewolf, neutral about it, wanting to blend in with normal folk, stand out, ...
It's disappointing at this point that we keep getting packs that are broken/unfinished. EA is a billion dollar company, they can afford to pay people to take the time to make a good game, they just do not do that. They rush their creators to turn out broken content. It's just annoying at this point. I want the sims 4 to be good, but EA just wants money.
werewolves are my special interest and i would have probably lost my mind over this pack even if it were terrible so. thank you for the decent surprise EA i now have something to wear down to the bone over the next decade like i've done with ts3 werewolves. fix your glitches omg also im gonna cry about not being able to make your own packs but :( ty in advance whichever mod creator fixes that for me specifically
THEYRE MY SPECIAL INTEREST TOO honestly I think they could've done a lot worse, I think I may like them more than ts3 werewolves but I'll have to actually play it to find out, I could literally rant about this for hours
And yes I'm very much putting my trust in cc creators, I trust them as I've already seen some awesome werewolf creations in the past. I'm hoping on tails, better faces and indeed PACKS
@@awerewolf6924 if u want u can rant about it to me on insta when u get the pack? I could use someone to share my thoughts with (all good if not asagdhj I'm just excited)
I personally feel like they should’ve made the werewolves look similar to the Worgen from World of Warcraft. In my opinion, the werewolves/ worgen from that game look stunning and very cool, and it would be cool to see a similar structure of werewolves with modern day clothing in the sims 4. I just feel like the Sims 4 ones look weirdly disproportionate (probably cause I’m used to the WoW worgens) but I know they’re probably just trying to use the same outlines/ structure as to how you would customize their human form/ a normal sim.
I'll be honest... this pack is winning me over. I'm still not going to buy it right away, maybe when there is a sale and it works. Never gonna forget My Wedding Stories, I was so excited for that pack,,,
Ikr, many simmers had high hopes for Wedding Stories... I think it's still a buggy mess, maybe EA has abandoned it like they did for the broken Dineout pack?
I'm exactly the same (must be a northern girl trait 😂) i'm really vibing with the grungy aesthetic of this pack. Especially the clothing, i love my lace up boots, my ripped denims and my graphic tees and my dainty lil boho rings. Big on my shabby chic. Very much a yes from me on this one for the CAS alone
Another inclusion in this pack is soul mates; two werewolf sims destined to be together by the moon. I had a werewolf sim who was engaged to another werewolf and when I met his family, turns out his sister was my sim's mate. My sim became tense when flirting with her fiance cause she felt tense that she wasn't with her mate. Got really awkward real fast 💀
I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about how there’s stuff in debug that should be in build/by. As a Console player it’s hard to access the debug objects and I know they know that people use it which is why they probably put stuff in there but it doesn’t make sense why it can’t be in build/by because it’s easier to access for everybody.
That’s why they look so off! I noticed that the werewolves looked kind of weird but couldn’t put my finger on it but now it makes sense! Also the short snout and cutesy looking chin make it look weird. No shade towards the employees but i wish they double checked it before releasing it
@@purplevoncreep9920 I mean, I never said it was a TS4 issue I just want them to have tails. I've never played with any werewolves before and personally think TS4 is way better than it gets credit for I just want them to have tails too. I did see the TS3 werewolves and those were way ugly. I would've been super disappointed. These are great I just want tails too and then they are perfect. XD
The fact that a sim with a dormant werewolf trait can swim in the lake and activate the trait reminded me of really old werewolf lore I learned about in a video by Overly Sarcastic Productions, I think the story was about ancient Roman humans who would take a dip in a river and come out the other side a wolf, then they’d have to spend like seven years as a wolf and resist eating humans or meat in general, and if they were good in that seven years they’d get to be human again, but I don’t remember all the details exactly so I’d really recommend the original OSP video on Werewolves for the accurate story
I’m so ready to make a neon aglow stick wielding, party animal type, werewolf. Like, Vampires got their fancy victorian style, and Werewolves typically get punk/gritty/torn styles- but what about an 80’s throwback werewolf with big curly neon blue/green/pink hair or makeup, especially THE CLOTHES! Crop tops, mom jeans, you name it. That’s what I’m gonna do, have some 80’s theme punk and sweetheart looking werewolves- and then introduce them to my 10 gen vampire family 😂
I really do appreciate your reviews. I feel like they're pretty comprehensive and do a good job of showcasing the good and the bad of all the aspects of a pack. I was tentatively excited about this one, so it's nice to see all the info laid out for it so I can do pros/cons for if or when I want to get it.
omg love the dormant werewolf trait!! i desperately wanted mermaids to have to swim in a secret world under a full moon to become a mermaid but no they just eat some seaweed
@@doga9670 I have a feeling that the cats/dogs painting tool and some mods can easily fix most of the issues with the werewolves’ appearances, so if that’s the only thing that’s holding you back, I might wait a little while for new mods to come out and for players to get the chance to experiment with the customization, then reevaluate how you feel about it. If you look on the Sim Gurus’ Twitter accounts, you can see a wide variety of werewolves customized with the paint tool, some of which look very cuddly and harmless while others look more like traditional scary movie werewolves. You might be able to find an example there that’s more your style :)
It definitely needed at least 2 to 4 more lots. It shouldn't be an issue to include more lots between the trees. Even if they were small and empty - that would still be a place for people to play with.
@@mjm3091 They're not likely to include more than 3-5 lots in a game pack. I wish they would, but they won't. But I wish they would make another Newcrest in a different setting.
@@BonaparteBardithion I mean, I know they aren't likely to do that these days, but doesn't mean they shouldn't. Personally I feel like they should have just add map addition, like in Sims 2. Give us ability to name and clone worlds. Either just Newcrest or give us like 3-5 different types of worlds. Even just Newcrest cloning would help extremely - as that would allow for all the world mods to be added next to each other and not on top of existing worlds.
The lack of personality in the sims 4 is the main reason why I switched back to the sims 3, and I haven’t touched sims 4 in years. It just seems like even base game sims 3 has sims with more individuality than sims 4 with all the packs. I hope this changes someday bc there are many sims 4 features that I’d love to experience, but it just doesn’t seem worth it to me especially since for most of them I’d have to buy extension packs.
omg fighting vampires here is awesome. I appreciate the review you went over everything! I'm still going to try my hardest to have one of Vlad's grandchildren romance Greg. That's been my #1 goal and I love how difficult it is lol
the hands "tattoo" is actually just dirty hands! that's why you couldn't figure out what it wasfhdhd..... the thought of someone actually just getting dirt tattooed is really fuckn funny to me but God i do lov a grimy ass sim
I was kind of hoping for a hybrid werewolf/vampire form. I know that's probably too much to want from a gamepack but it would be really cool and add to the lore while also helping with that whole "too furry" look
That's the thing though werewolves shouldn't look cute or adorable. They didn't make the vampires cute or sparkly they literally made it to where you can create a demon vampire thing I feel like they should have done that as an option for the werewolves
@@Bottom_1999 it is preference there is some cutesy vampires I’ve seen created but most people like the vampires looking more (for a lack of better wording currently) gothic and worn, I don’t entirely agree with there not being any cutesy werewolves since some players like a more soft appearance although the main version should be more so brooding and detailed like I said more feral with human detailing but that should still have options for a version like this
I dont think the problem with the designs is that they look "too furry" (I mean, I think if you asked a furry they'd also think the werewolves look uncanny), I think the problems are that they have very very short snouts (to fit the normal sim animations), which make their faces look squashed, and their legs would look better looking more like a wolf's, but again, they are the way they are to fit normal sim clothes... The question is whether it's better to have uncanny werewolves that don't break the animations/clothes or have good looking werewolves that need entirely new animations and clothes...
Thank you for making it clear that it's NOT okay to release games in a broken state with the intention of [maybe] patching them later. Do not buy any game or dlc if it's heavily bugged (This is also a reason to avoid preordering games/dlc. They want you to preorder so they already have your money before you realise it's crap).
I'll most likely pick up the pack if the glitch is fixed, it seems to be pretty solid in terms of gameplay and lore. Sad that there's no new traits again, though. While Sims 4 Sims seem to be a little better in terms of personality than they used to be, they still just feel like dolls most of the time.
ts4 has made so many mistakes that i've lost the enjoyment i used to have with it - aside from watching short yt videos like yours - so this review will decide if i'll turn the game on again to play one gen or two with werewolves. it's all on your shoulders bella 🙏🏻
Me, having grown up with the hard packed stereotype that “idiot rednecks” have mullets, happily watching the trend slowly die…suddenly seeing mullets in TS4 and everywhere else…: 😭 Jesse no, don’t let Joe Dirt blind you with his trendy hair!!
I honestly really like how the werewolves look, and no, I’m not a furry lol. I think the only thing I’d like is an exaggeration of the body features and posture to look more “wolf-like”, like very hunched over and bent legs, as well as a tail maybe haha
I think the issue with the werewolf is that, it really doesn't look like a werewolf, more like a furry's interpretation of one. (Nothing against furries, I am one) and it just doesn't work in this style of the Sims
Great review!! I’m honestly so impressed by how much detail they put into this pack, and your review has me even more excited to buy it. I especially love that werewolves and vampires start off hating each other. That’s so cool!!! 🤩🤩🤩
Thankfully they did confirm on Twitter that the glitch was fixed so I feel less bad about accidentally pre-ordering the pack and realising I'd have to deal with it being broken on release
I think that a lot of the werewolf pack game play is embedded in Moonwood Mill itself so, creating another pack, especially in another word, might not include certain werewolf actions. Thanks, Plumella. This was a very thorough review.
IS THE SOUND BACK??? i have sound for all of the video idk what’s fuckin happenin besties 😭
I’m hearing you loud and clear 👍🏻
Sound is back!
i have sounds
I'm hearing you just fine ❤️
its working now
Very happy that werewolves can become immortal because OBVIOUSLY I'm gonna have a vampire and werewolf with a forbidden love that spend the rest of eternity together
yesss 💖
That’s what I’m most excited for: the forbidden love
But I’m thinking of making mine from different packs
It would have been awesome if we could have become Fated Mates with non-werewolves. A vampire/werewolf fated mate relationship would have been awesome!
@@taylorstorm4685 Whisper loudly enough so the modders can hear you... :)
@@taylorstorm4685 hmm do you keep the fated mate if you cure your sim?
i cannot overlook the fact that the werewolves have human feet
It's so lazy 😹😹
And no tails...
I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT jesus christmas christ
@@amulka-milk Most do tho...
I mean I like these models but I was expecting more wolf like... and noticing that makes me dislike it a bit lol
"Children deserve scars, right?!" That's a fun quote out of context lol
As someone who got almost all of my scars during childhood, sometimes that kindergarten paper cut just wants to be with you forever
@@Tusskie yeah almost every mosquito bite I get ends up scarring. Or even just a paper cut like you. Stupid mosquitoes and sometimes ants or splinters.
Gonna make this my yearbook quote
@@Tusskie My brother was the same. Most of his scars before age 14 or so. The worst was age 11. He was playing kick-ball on wet grass at school, slid and hit his knee on a brass sprinkler head. The people at the ER were shocked that he didn't snap his patella because it went all the way through to the bone. His corduroy pants were soaked with blood below the knee.
Two of my worst scars are from when I was 7 or 8! The first was from a McDonald’s playground (80’s) bouncing Grimace, which actually scraped my shin bone. The other was from riding a Krazy Karpet tied to a snowmobile, through a cornfield. Do not recommend. I have a large facial scar from that one, my cheek was cut from my mouth almost to my ear. It’s almost invisible though, unless I’m wearing makeup.
Also, I completely get how you need to relate everything to yourself. I do the same thing, and I’m also autistic.
"You absolutely deserve to spend your money on a pack that works. It shouldn't be normalized to release broken packs" YES. Thank you.
This about *all* video games made by large studios.
This to Bethesda a thousand times 💀
Which is why you don't spend your money on it, you pirate it.
i think the best way to make the werewolves not look like furries would be if instead of just using regular sim legs with fur, they made the legs look like the hind legs of a wolf
Look up “digitigrade suits”. There are fur suits that have animal legs, aka digitigrade. Any addons would still make it a furry since it’s a wolf that stands on two legs.
I think varied body types would help. They all look like a costume instead of a real body if that makes any sense? Like why can't the female/makes look more different from each other? Bigger/smaller ears, different shoulders, small/large chest, skinny/beefy, more varied snouts, bigger claws, TAILS.
Idk cartoony werewolves can look non furry like but it doesn't seem like they even tried too.
Idk the amount of animations and interactions they would have to redo might not be worth slightly different legs lmao
Besides, I can guarantee that tails/better legs will be the first things modders do for this pack
Im sorry to inform you but like 60% of furries have digitigrade / animal-like legs ... LOL... speaking as a furry myself
furry = humanoid animal so a werewolf is going to be furry no matter how much you alter it. Guess the only thing you could do it make it look hella ugly
I think that they thought about that, like they did with tails, but decided against it because it wouldn't work with clothing items and certain animations
It would make a WORLD of difference if the werewolves had unique body types instead of "Sim with fur". I'm thinking hunched like in Skyrim with big, broad shoulders and longer snouts. Yes, they would have to create new animations for them. No, that's not asking too much of them.
You would need to sacrifice interactions with regular items and activities for that, because it would need a new skeleton and the regular animations wouldn't apply.
They would need to Remake or refit EVERY animation in the game. Every interaction.
That's not work for the turnover of a pack.
@@MiloKuroshiro It's a werewolf DLC, I feel like making animations for werewolves is probably the most important part of the DLC.
As a consumer it's not my responsibility to make sure they get a good profit, it's my responsibility to decide what I would and wouldn't purchase from them and this poor level of quality isn't it. So I'm not really interested in discussing how much money they make or may not make from this. I'm talking about the quality of what they have produced as shown in this video.
@@MiloKuroshiro i actually think it was doable just with playing with cas a little, like adding more "fur" on the back of the neck and back for more of a hunched look + making the head bigger and also limiting the swinging motions while in cas etc.
@@availlaponcet5877 they’re just trying to make you understand why your.. demands? won’t be answered by the game developers but if you must continue stating your demands for a company to not act as a company from a self righteous yet illogical pov then you go ahead and cope however you need
@@ms.mashup5210 um im pretty sure a business is supposed to respond to the demands of the consumers sooo yeah the business should care lmao
It seems to me that my wedding stories has now set a precedent for EA of giving the sims team shorter and shorter deadlines because they can release glitchy packs and just “patch it up” later
This last roadmap had shorter turnovers with a way smaller team. There's less people working on Sims 4 than ever. EA/Maxis are just pumping them out underbaked with not much care for QA, but this pack is a bit different for one big reason: Werewolves work using a couple of frameworks that are already built into the game.
The CAS is based on the Cat and Dogs CAS framework, the skills and transformation are based on the Vampires, the Aspiration, story and packs are based on the Batuu framework.
That makes things way smoother to work with, not like the Wedding ones, that is a new system that just try to overwrite and overpower regular Sims AI routines and fails completely because Sims are too stuck up and hard coded to follow a couple of things
I think you’re right, and we as a community need to make sure that they actually have interest in/ea actually gives the team the resources to create the packs we need 😭
Because we keep buying them...
Yeah, they've been going the Bethesda(/insert AAA game company here) route. It's been coming for a while, wouldn't be surprised if they just gave up with trying and started releasing unfinished packs
Or Dream Home Decorator did… or Dine Out, apparently, though I wasn’t playing/watching Sims at the time.
I loved the "hates occults" trait from ts3, because it added so much drama
so glad u talk about the traits thing, so many traits are missing and every game/expansion pack should come with one (at least). feels like not enough gamechangers talk about it either. the whole game is centered around traits so missing out on that opportunity hurts so bad
I keep saying, just half-jokingly, that Sims 2 zodiacs gave sims more personality than Sims 4 traits did. Of course, S2 also had interests, hobbies, attraction and all that cool stuff on top, but still.
imo, the traits are also faulty in that theres 1. just three available, which really limits how diverse a sim can be, and 2. there are too many non-personality traits. fx, being lactoce intolerant is Not a personality trait, and i dont wanna take up a traits slot for smth thats not personality
@@lamoracbracegirdle5320 It's really annoying that, when I make myself, I have to decide between what I'm like and giving myself the "vegetarian" trait so I don't eat a steak randomly.
I actually just assumed there wasn't a trait bc werewolves have their own temperaments which is a bunch of different traits
Can I get a time stamp for the traits? I’ve watched the video twice for it but can’t remember at all blame my ADHD ;-;
Sims 4: "Unleash your imagination!"
Simmers: "Can we make our own werewolf packs?"
Sims 4: "No, unleash your imagination only the way we say you can."
Like they said, use your ✨*imagination*✨ and pretend you can make your own packs!
Use your imagination and pretend that the ✨missing gameplay✨ is somehow still there 🙌
You already have groups for that. Packs don't work like most people think they do. Packs are like the Empire and the Resistance in Batuu. They're groups with their leveling system and sidestory. You cant create your pack in the same way you can't create your team on Batuu. It's the same system and framework. "Creating your own pack" dont make sense in this system.
@@MiloKuroshiro simmers know how packs work. But please ask yourself why it has to be like that? I mean why did EA do it that way? Because it's less work on their part of course.
But should it be this way? In my opinion it's a bad design and they should change it in the future. This is supposed to be a sandbox like game, where you play with life, however you want to. At least that's what the previous games were and what EA advertised when 4 released.
I think being able to create packs is something that should be in the game. Especially because it makes the gameplay more customized to each simmer, adds depth and long-term gameplay and is in essence what the Sims does best. 🙂
@@MiloKuroshiro yes, this. It seems like it was a deliberate choice (not a workaround or shortcut or whatever) and it opens up other avenues of gameplay that group-style packs wouldn’t. In an ideal world it’d be cool if all of the options were available, or if you could customize and/or create packs yourself, but ideal is often not realistic when budgets and schedules are involved. I’m curious to see how many of the werewolf specific interactions get added to the Get Together groups. Whether or not it’s present, I’m sure modders will be able to do a lot to customize those systems.
I can't believe they don't even have a new trait with this! like wtf; I know the traits like don't even matter in Sims 4 lol, but come onnnnn. The entire trait system needs a huge overhaul.
There is a new trait, it breaks down into a choice between four others once you’re playing :)
@@solssun isn't that the aspiration...?
yeah, like hardcore loyalty or something since they're part canine humanoids
@@nina7910 that's what I was going to say, too; I think that's the aspiration.
That's aspiration.
We are definitely lacking traits. Some Moon related for normal Sims, fear of Werewolves maybe, a lot trait for Werewolf babies. Traits for Werewolves themselves are kinda included in the progress tree at least, so there is that at least.
I think one thing that would make the wolves less furry and less uncanny valley would be if they changed the legs from human legs to more canine legs. And maybe hunch the back a bit…idk, it’s weird looking at a Werewolf with human legs. Looks like a sim in a furry suit peace and love. The world looks really nice. Giving Pacific Northwest vibes, so it feels like home.
Completely agree, I think that if the heads were bigger/longer snouts I think that they would have looked a bit better too.
This. Exactly this. I have had to use MCCC so many times, jumping in and out of CAS, and once or twice I've had to recreate an entire Sim from scratch just to have their occult types (and to reset perk points for vampires and spellcasters, when I want to play a premade's background). I wish there was a way to reset those perk points, since the rest is doable with cheats.
But yeah, I have accidentally made a spellcaster that I decide would make a better vampire midway through CAS and it's such a pain to not be able to just switch it like I can in Sims 3.
No. If that’s implemented, it should at least be optional so everyone isn’t forced into something highly specific
@@aduckofsomesort bro exactly, people saying they look like furries don’t even know what furries are. Furries are an animal standing on two legs. So basically werewolves ARE furries. By definition humans are furries too, we are great apes who are bipedal, FURRIES.
@@aduckofsomesort I completely agree
I think the flaws with the werewolf design is the eyes and the snout. The eyes are wayy to small and uncanny and the snout is too short like it makes me uncomfy 😬
you can make the eyes bigger
That along with lack of tails, and no paws for feet despite the werewolves not wearing shoes...
@@reeceyb505 oh I didn’t even realize there weren’t any tails, that would be so easy to add too. The feet too, it just looks odd and too human.
@@reeceyb505 lore wise, outside of the sims, they don't have tails
@@marleythewizard This is cool. I didn't realise this.
The Werewolves are 100% serving me 2019 Live Action CATS movie and I am *NOT* here for it. I'm so torn because I *love* the gameplay elements, world, CAS and build buy but they're just *SO* cursed that I'm not sure I can get past it. My soul actually left my body when I saw the way that they run when they're enraged 😂😂😂😭 I can't cope.
THEY LOOK LIKE THE ZOOTOPIA FOX I HATE IT they look like FURRIES and they have HUMAN FEET who in ea thought this aBOMINATION is a good idea
I’m really hoping someone makes some mods later on to change their appearance 😫
@@nev5323 they did
We need a whole expansion pack just for traits. Im sick of using the same ones over and over😭
With another world with more empty lots, throw in the zodiac system from the previous games and actual memories.
I feel like a zodiac system makes it so they have more personality.
I also think some of the physical things like lactose intolerant would be genetic traits instead of "personality" traits... theres so much that could make this so much better. Seeing how this pack makes me so hopeful for what can be done.
I mean, they make no difference to the personality of the Sim anyway so it doesn’t really matter. 🤷♀️ EA’s laziness wins again!
@@HerHollyness truth🥲
no we need to be given them for free in base game updates
@@lumaelodie true
I would also like for them to homogenize the other occults to have this amount detail. Even ghosts could have had an update with Paranormal.
Aliens, Ghost’s, PlantSims and Mermaids kinda got slagged.
Holy shit, ghosts REALLY need more love put into em
Mermaids and PlantSims don't even have a tomb or bassinet like every other occult. PlantSims aren't even an occult, just a temporary buff. 🤦
I have been saying this since vampires came out. I really hope we can get this to EAs attention.
They’ll make us pay for that
@@omel9424 it's a necessary refresh. Rabbits need a refresh too, why are they stuck outside? My house bunny lives a fancy, indoor life and I want my Sims to have them in their families as well.
Definitely want this pack but I’ll also definitely be waiting to find out if it’s fixed and functional before release because EA can’t keep getting away with releasing unfinished products, hope other people do the same.
We should let them know this issue. We gotta tell them on twitter.
Yes please wait and don't buy on day 1. So many people buy on day 1 and let EA get away with it. It obviously hurts the quality of the game.
@@GeoMusic99 yup, and NEVER preorder! Because the people that do that are basically just locking themselves in to pay no matter how broken or bad the pack is. It's even before day 1.
As a console player, I’ve gotten used to holding back from purchasing until there’s definitive evidence that there’s minimal bugs in the packs, I can’t be wasting money on something I can’t play and am unable to mod to make playable
@@viddeliten I never understood preordering downloadable content. When it's a physical copy of something, especially a collector's item, I can understand it, but preoredering something digital that you can download at any time once it's released just doesn't make sense. Definitely better to wait until it's actually released so you know whether it's worth the money.
I love that you are so honest about them releasing broken things and fixing them later. This is not ok and they are way too comfortable with this.
And then it’ll probably take a few months before they decide to “fix” it and everyone’s pissed off already 😂
EA in a nutshell
The fact that you can’t make a werewolf pack of multiple werewolves is wild to me. Seems like a huge oversight!
Agreed. This is my main disappointment with the pack. As Plumbella says, the code is there.
Right the biggest disappointment ever is that we cant create our own wolf packs i mean isnt that a huge part of being a werewolf it was the same with spellcasters not being able to be to chose a side of magic like light or dark.
@@jazzbuchanan8478 It's also the same with vampires, far as I've noticed which is sad. I totally would love to have say a Count Dracula, or Katherine Pierce in charge of creating their own vampire clan/coven and ya know doing things like participating in world domination instead of being forced to join one side or the other.
Yesss that would be great
the werewolf howling thing is just a problem with occults in cas in general. My spellcasters do their lil thingy way too much and the vampires hiss way too often as well
Seems to be a trend in later games with character customization, like in Fallout 76 when creating a character I end up constantly telling the char to *stop fecking moving.* They arch their eyebrows, smile randomly, and look around a lot when they should really hold still (especially as unlike in Fallout 4 from whence the assets are ripped, Fallout 76's player characters aren't involved in cutscenes that animate their faces).
I cannot count the number of times I've frustratedly scolded at my computer for my vampires to just STAND STILL
Sims just move WAY TOO MUCH
i trust your opinion on this over everyone else. perfect
What?!?!?! You don't trust the opinion of the other shills? I'm shocked.
So glad the video came out came out before the pack comes out because I was nervous that they would completely mess it up honestly but it looks alright actually and I’m kinda very excited 😁
yeah lil simsie is a foul woman
@HollowLunax I wasn't referring to Plumbella. I was talking about the ones who act like being a game changer or whatever it's called now is their only personality trait. But pop off with the passive aggressive comments sis. You must have a lot of friends. 🤣
@@user-wl9gw7xe2q Uhh.. you know her and plumbella are friends, right? Seems weird to be hating on her in this comment section.
As someone who's very much into vampires the most, I don't think I can forgive EA for Forgotten Hollow. So much wasted potential 😭
Am the same way Danni, it took stuff by FalseHope, Sacrificial and Zero to make them somewhat better. I personally like the prospect of having Katherine Pierce (sim based wonderfully on Katverse's version of her) killing others, and being evil, ditto Count Dracula (whom I've tried to base on the late yet delightfully yummy Christopher Lee's portrayal of him). Yet there's no (as said previously) opportunity to create your own vampire group and take over.
Even worse, Forgotten Hollow's like so very small, I generally have my vampire characters relocate to Windenburg, Willow Creek or Brindleton Bay as there are more lots there and have been using TMex's Create A World along with map mods to provide a much better look than in some cases a modern one due to my enjoyment of historical periods. That ea didn't even think to do any of the things others have done is disheartening
4 lots...
@@cryforhelp7270 and fuck all to do 😭
I love watching plumbella calmly talking about cas painting while writing out messages and not saying anything about it lol. I busted out laughing.
I think the disconnect for me with the appearance of werewolves is that, for how grungy and torn up/dilapidated the world and clothes seems to be (as well as how werewolves tend to be characterized in other places) the werewolves are not scary enough.
Like I feel like I'm just watching the dog version of the Cats movie because everything seems so soft and smooth and disarming.
Even with the scars, bites, and ear notches they don't seem threatening at all. Completely takes me out of it.
Exactly! They don't look like werewolves; they look like a bunch of furry cosplaying as cats.
Theyre just hairy sims with a wolf head lol. They couldn't even be bothered to make a new model for the body
Yeah. You can bet ill be CCing the werewolves to something more Vanhelsing
yess exactly
@@Pironesia omg I loved the werewolves in the vanhelsing movie I was gobsmacked when vanhelsing turned into that big massive black beast he looked so cool
wicked whims modders are going to have an absolute field day with these guys
when i say i’m scared to see it, i’m s c a r e d
LMFAOOO
I was thinking about this, I…genuinely have no clue what to expect.
HOPE SO LOL!!!
what the fck do you mean!? 😭😭😭
I hope modders can make it so you can make your own pack, that was a huge missed opportunity in this pack.
I wonder if you could use the club system in Get Together to 'form' your own pack?
@@laurenmacfarland3718 Yeah but the sims teams literally said if you do that you won't have the same options a normal wolf pack would which is annoying
@@laurenmacfarland3718 I think so at the very least, but I was really hoping to be able to make full fledged packs that could like inhabit other worlds too instead of being tied to Moonwood Mill completely. It feels a bit Strangerville in that aspect, so I hope we get something that helps.
I hope there will be a mod where i can add a tail because i didn’t see it in cas in the video soo hopefully tails are in the fixed / final release
(Edit : yeah im a furry i guess)
thank you for sticking by calling out the "patch it later" mentality
I'm really glad the Sims team is listening to us about lore, but I hope they eventually start SHOWING us the lore in actual gameplay instead of just telling us about it on the world maps. Paragraphs of descriptive text isn't cutting it for me. Kind of like the table you mentioned with the book propping up one of the legs, that's a perfect example of showing evidence of some kind of story. Sims 3 really excelled in that.
Yes besties I literally only see the Cats movie when I look at these "werewolves". It's so uncanny. I unfortunately can't get over it
Same to be honest...
@@jamesmoriarty6540 the heads are so small and their bodies are so tall 😭
They look like sasquatch
It looks more like a fursuit to me
@@g.t.3186 That's exactly what I was thinking! 😮💨😆😢
I am worried about how fast EA is forcing their Sims teams to work on these packs, I would much rather they get a few good months to work on a couple of packs that are well made, glitch free, and made by well rested people who were able to work at a steady pace. I don't care for kits much, just wish the major packs would have all the depth the game's predecessor had 😔👉👈
ALSO- MISSED Opportunity to include FERAL as some kind of trait, even if it was just for the werewolves to have. What if we could've had like, rebels or daredevils or something? 😞
Yeah, I feel like maybe it's related to how they seem to want TS4 to be more "universal" or "family friendly" than prior games even though it's still T for Teen. Players have complained for years about lack of stakes and things feeling too tame.
Werewolves have 25 I think it is new temperaments just for them that affect how they are.
I have never been so excited for a pack since Seasons came out, ngl. Also imagine dressing your werewolf self in the hamster costume for My First Pet Stuff and pretending you’re a were-hamster🤣🤣🤣
right! I got back into the sims when seasons came out!, before that i was watching people play it.
Make a furry werewolf character, but they're fursona isn't a wolf.
@@BonaparteBardithion oh my goodness that's so funny. I really hope people do that 🤣
@@BonaparteBardithion Put them in the bear suit!
YES, CHEAP LOOKING FURNITURE
Thank you for saying it Plumbella, I always wanted cheap things in the Sims. I want to be able to play a poor family or a post-collapse world where you need to farm to get your food.
Can’t wait for someone to make a mod where when you transform into your werewolf form you use the cats and dogs dog model
So ready for the dog model to turn into a demon by trying to do human actions.
what ?
The lack of new traits is really odd. Wouldn't Werewolves have some unique traits (and probably emotions) to really make them werewolves? I hope the pack is fixed on launch because EA needs to show Sims players that they can produce a quality pack. It's not okay to ask us to spend money on broken packs!
there are 27 traits exclusive to werewolves that are called tempermants i think, they're really fun and great to be fair i gotta hand it to them on this one.
wait a minute...... now hold on.... THEY RELEASED A WEREWOLF PACK AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE WEREWOLVES **you named my daughter after the loch ness monster voice**
ICONIC
That's so bad it's hilarious 🤣🤣
I read it in Bella's voice before even reading that last bit LMAO
It's the lack of tails for me, smh 😤
The uncanniness, for me at least, comes from the head just not matching the body, as well as the body itself. The head is too small and short, and the body is too long and straight. I wish the body was more bestial-anthro, but I suppose their choice for body was to reduce the amount of animations they'd need to redo.
Regardless, I'm just glad they look more wolf-like than the Sims 3 werewolves!
BUT THEY NEED TAILS.
I really do wish they would have incorporated more integration with pets, such as being able to play tug-of-war with dogs (like you can with other wolves), chasing cats, etc. (and it would have been so cool to get the pack leader wolf like in TS2!).
The lack of new traits is honestly abysmal.
it would've been the perfect opportunity to get some better looking sideburns/mutton chops in CAS, but now you tell me there's no new facial hair??? no new teeth or eye colors in human form either? what if i wanted my sim to look like a hybrid without going full furry?
I would kill for better 3D in-game facial hair. This pack really should have included some patchy beards, unkempt beards, and DEFINITELY some proper scruffy sideburns.
I say this as someone who makes maybe 25% of my Sims as male, because of the lack of options for them in general. Well, that and I'm a lesbian who prefers looking at women when I dare load up the game and try to have fun.
@@infpdreams Me but in reverse. 25% of the sims I make are female for the second reason lol
But I agree, this was a perfect opportunity to add more varied types of facial hair as well as the eyes like the OP said.
@@thesnep4757 I'm glad I'm not alone, haha! Happy Pride, by the way, and I hope your guys eventually get some good facial hair one day, since the ones we have are a bit bland and limited.
@@infpdreams And to you too! Praying for good facial hair🙏
I wish spellcasters were more involved in the occults lore. I actually love playing with them, but they are so left behind when it comes to interacting with other occults.
Too true. In my mind, they're just a neutral party that's too caught up with their whole magic world being broken and all to give a shit about werewolves and vampires. That's just my take so they at least have some reason they're not as involved.
Right? I don't know if it's a feature and I've just missed something, but I wish some occults had a custom fight animation. And it'd be cool if vampires and/or werewolves became tense or scared when near spellcasters they aren't friends with because they're powerful
when did we just accept and allow for packs to come with like 4 new lots… previous iterations of this game had huge expansive worlds that were so customisable. there’s no excuse for the sims 4. it’s just so so sad. ~thank u for this vid as always jesse
This is a game pack not an expansion pack, that is why there are only few lots
Remember my wedding story that have a lot of lot? Look at how glitchy and tiny gameplay... So I rather have a few lot and a big gameplay instead
i’d love for game packs to come with more lots though. these worlds feel so empty. the whole game feels empty. & in 2022 we shouldn’t have to pay $$$ to decide between gameplay OR lots, we should have both. especially from a corporation like EA :(
@@darah6361 My Wedding Stories came with Tartosa and it had 9 lots though.
yeah i still feel like 9 is awful haha🫣, maybe i’m just spoilt from playing sims1/2/3 but i just don’t understand how they can’t get bigger worlds to run properly? surely considering the money pumped by this game they should be able to engineer a world with 30 lots to work? especially considering they could do it in 2004 haha😵💫 it just hurrrts i feel like this game has soo much potential and they’re not being given a chance to execute it properly!
funfact about the Kristopher Volkov name: 'volk' is actually the word for wolf in most Slavic countries
I have a (German) 5th Great Grandfather named Wolfinger. I would have used that surname if it was up to me. I don't know if I will get the pack, but I may use that name if I ever create a werewolf. I suck at CAS so it would be randomized.
Traits are such a missed oportunity.... even the mermaid ones were kinda dissappointing. A feral trait couldve been fun! No utenciles for eating, the possibility to get fleas, the urge to just dig holes in the ground, a special connection with dogs if you have pets installed, hating indoors...
omg that such a good idea
the fact that vampires and werewolves hate each other on spot makes the whole thing so much better because twilight vibes and thats the only reason i pre ordered this pack so i could recreate twilight in sims for my channel lol
Low-key because of the scars, I wanna make Emily. In my French vanilla fantasy she is a 5 star chef mama.
@@Pandulse123 omg do it!
What Twillight vibes?🤦♀️ then hating each other is part of the mythology
I like that they hate each other from the get go. I just hope you will be able to improve the relationship between werewolves and vampires to a point where they are able to get along with each other if that's the sort of narrative you're wanting to tell. It's one I'd like to do certainly, I love the idea of these two occults that traditionally hate each other having members of said occult that like each other.
@@mem5091 yeah i knows it’s part of the mythology, but it reminds me of twilight when ever i think vampires and werewolves my mind automatically goes to twilight.
The official Sims Twitter have just confirmed that the invisibility glitch will be fixed by release.
So, how does Spa Day interact with the fury system? Does it at all? Can a werewolf keep the inner beast at bay with daily meditations?
Meditation and yoga reduce timers so yeah.
That would be amazing 🤩
I wonder if the werewolves will be better at gaining medium ability skill like the spellcasters can. I haven't tried with vampires yet but I have a feeling it will work good. Like you gain spellcaster purple gains from preforming with ghosts from paranormal stuff. So I'd hope that since they are werewolves they'd have a faster natural ability to learn to speak to ghosts and cast the circles.
@@destructodanie Vampires do not gain the medium skill any faster than human sims; I was really disappointed by that. I figured it'd make MORE sense for them than spellcasters. I doubt werewolves will gain it faster either.
@@FirebladesSong so sad. But you're totally right!!
I'm a console player and I really agree with the items in debug being put as real decorations bc on console you have to activate cheats to yk have moveobjects, liveedit and stuff but when you activate cheats it takes away your ability to have achievements. I feel like I should be able to have my plant closer to my desk or have free landscaping without not being able to have achievements.
You'd think they'd make it so certain cheats don't disable achievements. How does anyone build a house short of a mansion without MOO?
Same here. I play on console and I agree it should be available without disabling achievements, especially when debug is just for build items and not giving free money.
I will say that I'm on Xbox and can safely turn on bb.moveobjects without testingcheats, and I get achievements. Can't get to debug though.
@@beep3242 I second this, but for ps4. You can do bb.moveobjects without having to do testingcheats true. Debug however...no. They really should make those two cheats usable on consoles.
Wait move objects removes your achievements??? That’s ridiculous
Im hoping they fix the invisible wolf thing. despite them definitely looking like furries i am definitely looking forward to this pack.
I don’t get what’s bad about furries? Unless your only talking about preference
Apparently it’s already been fixed
@Kat they did show create a sim on stream tho? They literally showed how painting works, as well as painting on scars and the differences between linked and unlinked werewolves
Bum-bum tsh
@@Winter0721 same I don’t really understand and I’ve interacted with the community a bit and most are just kids with cute characters they came up with.
Im not a fan of the werewolves, but I'm extremely excited for everything else. Ive been working on a game which takes place after an apocalypse, so all these assets and the world space is a blessing.
I’m so ready for this review, only opinion I ever agree with. I hope the pack isnt fucked up
Omg there could be so many traits in this pack, like aggressive, calm, didn't want to become a werewolf, excited to be a werewolf, neutral about it, wanting to blend in with normal folk, stand out, ...
These are all moods and moodlets, not traits.
Their heads are so goddamn SMALL I literally can't get over it
It's disappointing at this point that we keep getting packs that are broken/unfinished. EA is a billion dollar company, they can afford to pay people to take the time to make a good game, they just do not do that. They rush their creators to turn out broken content. It's just annoying at this point. I want the sims 4 to be good, but EA just wants money.
werewolves are my special interest and i would have probably lost my mind over this pack even if it were terrible so. thank you for the decent surprise EA i now have something to wear down to the bone over the next decade like i've done with ts3 werewolves. fix your glitches omg
also im gonna cry about not being able to make your own packs but :( ty in advance whichever mod creator fixes that for me specifically
THEYRE MY SPECIAL INTEREST TOO honestly I think they could've done a lot worse, I think I may like them more than ts3 werewolves but I'll have to actually play it to find out, I could literally rant about this for hours
And yes I'm very much putting my trust in cc creators, I trust them as I've already seen some awesome werewolf creations in the past. I'm hoping on tails, better faces and indeed PACKS
I mean you can somehow cheat in the packs with the clubs and fame. But yeah, would be nice to have separate thing inside the pack itself.
@@aidenthepickle7825 SO COULD I LMAOO im very excited, i can't waaaait until tomorrow. tails would be amazing ahh
@@awerewolf6924 if u want u can rant about it to me on insta when u get the pack? I could use someone to share my thoughts with (all good if not asagdhj I'm just excited)
I personally feel like they should’ve made the werewolves look similar to the Worgen from World of Warcraft. In my opinion, the werewolves/ worgen from that game look stunning and very cool, and it would be cool to see a similar structure of werewolves with modern day clothing in the sims 4. I just feel like the Sims 4 ones look weirdly disproportionate (probably cause I’m used to the WoW worgens) but I know they’re probably just trying to use the same outlines/ structure as to how you would customize their human form/ a normal sim.
I'll be honest... this pack is winning me over. I'm still not going to buy it right away, maybe when there is a sale and it works. Never gonna forget My Wedding Stories, I was so excited for that pack,,,
Ikr, many simmers had high hopes for Wedding Stories... I think it's still a buggy mess, maybe EA has abandoned it like they did for the broken Dineout pack?
I miss sims 3 supernatural werewolves bc they were actually scary looking and these look like they’re going to recruit you for animal charities
I'm exactly the same (must be a northern girl trait 😂) i'm really vibing with the grungy aesthetic of this pack. Especially the clothing, i love my lace up boots, my ripped denims and my graphic tees and my dainty lil boho rings. Big on my shabby chic. Very much a yes from me on this one for the CAS alone
(Not from the UK but still from northern US) and I wholeheartedly agree. I am obsessed with how close to my style it is lol
Another inclusion in this pack is soul mates; two werewolf sims destined to be together by the moon. I had a werewolf sim who was engaged to another werewolf and when I met his family, turns out his sister was my sim's mate. My sim became tense when flirting with her fiance cause she felt tense that she wasn't with her mate. Got really awkward real fast 💀
I wholeheartedly agree with what you said about how there’s stuff in debug that should be in build/by. As a Console player it’s hard to access the debug objects and I know they know that people use it which is why they probably put stuff in there but it doesn’t make sense why it can’t be in build/by because it’s easier to access for everybody.
Aspirations, aspirations ... THATS ALL THEY EVER ADD ANYMORE AND THEY ARE EVEN MORE USELESS THAN TRAITS
I'm so glad you pointed out the lack of a tail. This is bothering me to no end. WHERE ARE THE TAILS?!?!
That’s why they look so off! I noticed that the werewolves looked kind of weird but couldn’t put my finger on it but now it makes sense! Also the short snout and cutesy looking chin make it look weird. No shade towards the employees but i wish they double checked it before releasing it
Simmers on their way to claim somthing is a sims 4 issue despite not being in any of the games
@@purplevoncreep9920 I mean, I never said it was a TS4 issue I just want them to have tails. I've never played with any werewolves before and personally think TS4 is way better than it gets credit for I just want them to have tails too. I did see the TS3 werewolves and those were way ugly. I would've been super disappointed. These are great I just want tails too and then they are perfect. XD
I would love to see the difficultly of joining a pack applied to the process of becoming a spell caster!
The fact that a sim with a dormant werewolf trait can swim in the lake and activate the trait reminded me of really old werewolf lore I learned about in a video by Overly Sarcastic Productions, I think the story was about ancient Roman humans who would take a dip in a river and come out the other side a wolf, then they’d have to spend like seven years as a wolf and resist eating humans or meat in general, and if they were good in that seven years they’d get to be human again, but I don’t remember all the details exactly so I’d really recommend the original OSP video on Werewolves for the accurate story
That's so cool! Thanks for the recommendation 😀
when you wrote "SUB" on the werewolf at first i had a heartattack hahaha thought the censors would come for you
Me too! I was like... I'm here for it but jesse bestie nooo
I’m so ready to make a neon aglow stick wielding, party animal type, werewolf.
Like, Vampires got their fancy victorian style, and Werewolves typically get punk/gritty/torn styles- but what about an 80’s throwback werewolf with big curly neon blue/green/pink hair or makeup, especially THE CLOTHES! Crop tops, mom jeans, you name it. That’s what I’m gonna do, have some 80’s theme punk and sweetheart looking werewolves- and then introduce them to my 10 gen vampire family 😂
I saw every other game changer posting and I was about to have a fit if I didn’t see your video. We Stan our lore queen!
I really do appreciate your reviews. I feel like they're pretty comprehensive and do a good job of showcasing the good and the bad of all the aspects of a pack. I was tentatively excited about this one, so it's nice to see all the info laid out for it so I can do pros/cons for if or when I want to get it.
I’m so nervous about this review. I really hope it’s better than the wedding pack.
omg love the dormant werewolf trait!! i desperately wanted mermaids to have to swim in a secret world under a full moon to become a mermaid but no they just eat some seaweed
i gasped when i saw the werewolf lmao im so glad i saw this before buying. they dont look like werewolves at all, tf is up w the eyes?? AGHH
Rightt, the only reason why i’m not going to buy this pack is how werewolves look. 😶
@@doga9670 I have a feeling that the cats/dogs painting tool and some mods can easily fix most of the issues with the werewolves’ appearances, so if that’s the only thing that’s holding you back, I might wait a little while for new mods to come out and for players to get the chance to experiment with the customization, then reevaluate how you feel about it.
If you look on the Sim Gurus’ Twitter accounts, you can see a wide variety of werewolves customized with the paint tool, some of which look very cuddly and harmless while others look more like traditional scary movie werewolves. You might be able to find an example there that’s more your style :)
"children deserves scars" is so cursed out of context lmaooo
I don't mind the world being smaller in this pack because it makes sense for the story of it being an old lumber mill
It doesn't allow for much customisation for our stories.
It definitely needed at least 2 to 4 more lots. It shouldn't be an issue to include more lots between the trees. Even if they were small and empty - that would still be a place for people to play with.
@@mjm3091
They're not likely to include more than 3-5 lots in a game pack. I wish they would, but they won't. But I wish they would make another Newcrest in a different setting.
@@BonaparteBardithion I mean, I know they aren't likely to do that these days, but doesn't mean they shouldn't.
Personally I feel like they should have just add map addition, like in Sims 2. Give us ability to name and clone worlds. Either just Newcrest or give us like 3-5 different types of worlds. Even just Newcrest cloning would help extremely - as that would allow for all the world mods to be added next to each other and not on top of existing worlds.
The lack of personality in the sims 4 is the main reason why I switched back to the sims 3, and I haven’t touched sims 4 in years. It just seems like even base game sims 3 has sims with more individuality than sims 4 with all the packs. I hope this changes someday bc there are many sims 4 features that I’d love to experience, but it just doesn’t seem worth it to me especially since for most of them I’d have to buy extension packs.
omg fighting vampires here is awesome. I appreciate the review you went over everything! I'm still going to try my hardest to have one of Vlad's grandchildren romance Greg. That's been my #1 goal and I love how difficult it is lol
I’m gonna have to wait for modders to make them a bit more menacing to play with the pack because right now i only see big cat costumes
the hands "tattoo" is actually just dirty hands! that's why you couldn't figure out what it wasfhdhd..... the thought of someone actually just getting dirt tattooed is really fuckn funny to me but God i do lov a grimy ass sim
I was kind of hoping for a hybrid werewolf/vampire form. I know that's probably too much to want from a gamepack but it would be really cool and add to the lore while also helping with that whole "too furry" look
I'm broken hearted by the fact that you didn't underline the JACOB they put into this pack. Come on, it can't be a coincidence!
Literally EVERYTHING about this was tailor-made for my tastes except the warewolves themselves lol. The world, build but, and CAS are so up my alley!!
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS (and honestly the Werewolf form is adorable but there should be a more feral version for normal players)
The IMPLICATIONS there 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
That's the thing though werewolves shouldn't look cute or adorable. They didn't make the vampires cute or sparkly they literally made it to where you can create a demon vampire thing I feel like they should have done that as an option for the werewolves
So … non-furry players.
@@broadwaybroad yes that is what I was implying
@@Bottom_1999 it is preference there is some cutesy vampires I’ve seen created but most people like the vampires looking more (for a lack of better wording currently) gothic and worn, I don’t entirely agree with there not being any cutesy werewolves since some players like a more soft appearance although the main version should be more so brooding and detailed like I said more feral with human detailing but that should still have options for a version like this
I dont think the problem with the designs is that they look "too furry" (I mean, I think if you asked a furry they'd also think the werewolves look uncanny), I think the problems are that they have very very short snouts (to fit the normal sim animations), which make their faces look squashed, and their legs would look better looking more like a wolf's, but again, they are the way they are to fit normal sim clothes... The question is whether it's better to have uncanny werewolves that don't break the animations/clothes or have good looking werewolves that need entirely new animations and clothes...
Thank you for making it clear that it's NOT okay to release games in a broken state with the intention of [maybe] patching them later. Do not buy any game or dlc if it's heavily bugged (This is also a reason to avoid preordering games/dlc. They want you to preorder so they already have your money before you realise it's crap).
I'll most likely pick up the pack if the glitch is fixed, it seems to be pretty solid in terms of gameplay and lore. Sad that there's no new traits again, though. While Sims 4 Sims seem to be a little better in terms of personality than they used to be, they still just feel like dolls most of the time.
The words "Sub or dont" painted on a wolf's body, moments after talking about furries, sent my brain off the rails X_X
rewatching this 7 months later as i decide what pack to get and this is all i could see :|😂
Same lmao
Toddler's reactions to rampaging/calm werewolves is my favourite part of the gameplay ngl, they just want to hug the 'big fluffy puppies' lol
i can’t wait to recreate twilight with my sims
the return of chester and bailey swain!
werewolf named greg is makin me lose it fbnsksk he’s weird and a loner he doesn’t fit in and his name… is greg
I love how detailed your reviews are. Super excited to get this pack and I really love some of the new items
I'm sorry, but how the hell do you make a werewolf pack and not have new facial hair? Really? That's bloody insane to me.
One word: tails. How can you have such wolf-looking werewolves but with no tails?!
Most werewolves don't have tails in mythology and stuff so chill
@@Slayyyter_bitxh ah yes, folklore: the one thing the sims 4 teams religiously follow.
@@Slayyyter_bitxh with those noses and those "tail" stubs they literally look like rabbits with weird ears
@@Slayyyter_bitxh but a lot of werewolves in modern pop culture do. it would be nice if it was an option at least :)
Because they'd clip through everything and no one would be able to wear pants.
ts4 has made so many mistakes that i've lost the enjoyment i used to have with it - aside from watching short yt videos like yours - so this review will decide if i'll turn the game on again to play one gen or two with werewolves. it's all on your shoulders bella 🙏🏻
Me, having grown up with the hard packed stereotype that “idiot rednecks” have mullets, happily watching the trend slowly die…suddenly seeing mullets in TS4 and everywhere else…: 😭 Jesse no, don’t let Joe Dirt blind you with his trendy hair!!
I'm so sorry to have to tell you mullets have been coming back in the past few years
@@beththebubbly69 i did a mullet last year and my little sister is literally cutting her hair right now lol
It's just hair I promise it'll be okay
@@allisonfields3108 yes I know. It was a statement said to garner humor.
@@beththebubbly69 I’m trying to ignore that fact lol
I honestly really like how the werewolves look, and no, I’m not a furry lol. I think the only thing I’d like is an exaggeration of the body features and posture to look more “wolf-like”, like very hunched over and bent legs, as well as a tail maybe haha
I really can’t believe they didn’t put a tail hahahaa
I think the issue with the werewolf is that, it really doesn't look like a werewolf, more like a furry's interpretation of one. (Nothing against furries, I am one) and it just doesn't work in this style of the Sims
I mean there isn't really a way that they look because they dont exist all that exists is interpretations of them
Great review!! I’m honestly so impressed by how much detail they put into this pack, and your review has me even more excited to buy it. I especially love that werewolves and vampires start off hating each other. That’s so cool!!! 🤩🤩🤩
The grunge punk vibe the pack is going for is perfect for werewolves 👍🏻
Thankfully they did confirm on Twitter that the glitch was fixed so I feel less bad about accidentally pre-ordering the pack and realising I'd have to deal with it being broken on release
I think that a lot of the werewolf pack game play is embedded in Moonwood Mill itself so, creating another pack, especially in another word, might not include certain werewolf actions. Thanks, Plumella. This was a very thorough review.
6:41 not me thinking this was about something else other than the subscribe button until you added the “or not” lmao
i like how the family is called Volkov, cuz volk means wolf in Russian :))