i can see how this is almost therapeutic, sitting down and reloading some shells, ive always just bought them. i see more value in your way than just buying something. thanks for posting this
+Zane Gardner Not to mention his approach to firearms has made me reconsider what type of firearm I want to have in my house and for hunting. If SHTF ever happens I want something that is easy to maintain, and something there is a lot of ammo around for in civilian hands.
girafmad 12g shotgun and a 9mm or .357 magnum handgun. There is 3 different types of ammo for a 12g you can shoot and there is a shit ton of it everywhere. 9mm is the most common handgun round you will find and is very low recoil but also very accurate and powerful enough to stop someone or something. And I say .357 magnum revolver because you can shoot 357 magnums threw it and also .38 specials. So you get the 2 for a price of 1 kinda deal.
Zane Gardner You misunderstood me a bit, my fault though for not being clear in my reply. I did not mean that as a question. Thank you for a very good answer anyway though. What I ment was (before I reevaluated my firearms stance) I used to think that the most powerful firearm would be the ideal thing for any sort of SHTF or long survival type scenario. Thankfully I know better now.
Dave I found an old 12 ga. in a pawn shop last year, the chamber is 2 9/16 so a normal shell won't fit. The gun was made in 1869. The video you made before ( where you trimmed the end off after waxing it) works for me. Fun and simple.
Excellent! I ordered a .690 ball mold for improvised 12 ga loading. Doing everything possible to become ammo independent. I love my 870 R but will always value my old single shot shotgun...paid $35 for it lol.
Howdy, Brother! All I can say is thank you for your expertise. Years ago I purchased a few of your campfire cooking accessories and they're still going strong. By the way, your 12GA shotgun series (back in the day) improved my camping/hunting experience. God Bless and Drive-On, Cowboy!!
This remind me the way my dad used to reload his 12 shells long time ago.I think nowadays this is forbiden in Spain.Best Regards from the other side of the pond Sir.
I've seen people use a washer set into a wooden block to knock out the primers. I just drilled a hole in a flat bar of steel. Its big enough to de-prime on one side and set against the other. A 1/4" thick piece of flat stock works fine.
I have had a primer press (crimper?) like that sitting on my workbench for close to twenty years and had no idea what the hell it was. At first, I thought it had to do with grommets until I tried it. It did not make a good grommet press. It belonged to my father but he is no longer around to answer questions for me. Thank you very much for making this and other videos. I never fail to learn something from each and every one.
Been watching your videos over the years and I must say that you are one of the best outside the box thinkers I have ever seen. Thanks so much for all your info.
wow my comment is still there after all this time I hope you got to read it Dave I really liked you on the show and I think it was total BS I'm glad you have this forum to share your knowledge with others it speaks volumes about your character Dave Canterbury ! thank you for giving us all a leg up in the survival game I will kick down to your cause whenever I can as often as I can sir you are a worthy Steward of the art and science of survival and I applaud your generosity and feel it deserves reciprication . God bless you and your loved ones who are very proud of you to be sure !
oh boy... I'm going to have to start reloading my shot shells now. Especially since I have 20G, 16G, and 410 but no 12G. Ammo isn't that expensive for 20G but this would be a fun project and it makes you appreciate every shot.
So glad people are still teaching the basics. I spread knowledge of gun ownership to all the pals i know who could use. Most people ask me for lessons now. Thank you
This works as long as the shell doesn't need resizing. That will be the case (usually) if you're putting the shell back into the same gun it was fired in, or if it was only ever used with black powder equivalent loads, but (especially) high brass hunting loads are likely to expand the brass base of the shell too much to go back into the gun. For a few dollars more, you can find a precision bushing (a replacement part for a commercial shotshell reloading press is the easiest to find) that can be used to resize the brass base before decapping and then your reloads will work in any 12 Ga. regardless what the original load was or what gun they were fired in before. This will also work for those all-brass shells you had in the opening introduction to the equipment, though those are generally sold empty and if you only load them with black powder or reproduction powder, you'll probably never need to size them.
You can save carrying a few tools if you expand your primer pockets on the shot shells so that a primer will just slide into it loosely. with using the single shot you don't need to worry about it falling out once the action is locked up. This is a trick quick draw shooters use when they are practicing with there single action revolvers.
I do like reloading my own BP 12ga loads. I counter sunk a divot in my wooden dowel so it can safely seat primers as well as seat cards and waddling or cups. Cork biscuits work great for overpowder/under shot cards. Cut with a Harbor Freight punch set. And I got a great quality roll crimping tool from Amazon? Ebay? Don't remember but it took awhile to get here and quality was excellent. From Russia!
Hey, this method is great with brass shells. I tried it out myself. I use a shell I sharpened as a punch. And make end caps out of thin plastic. Like milk jugs or margarine lids.
Mate im from australia an trying to get basic supplies from our dwindling gun stores is a headache to put it nicely.with your awsome knowlage it can help a lot of blokes in Australia.That are just trying to keep our bush culture alive and our country safe from all of the problems this world is facing in these unpradictable times..Our government is buckeling to the worldwide left.I'd like to know what the aussie population will do when china or some other state declairs war on a unarmed population.Because only 1 in 500 citizens has any acess to a firearm. and i think that may be an exageration.Anyway thanks again for teaching us some of your great knowlage and keep up the great work..
Incredibly informative video. I really enjoy this simple packable kit has field reloading functions which could be used in event of emergency if trapped or in a urban survival situation.
Great vid. Very close if not identical to the Lee Hand Loader kit I use for my big bore rifles. Too bad H&R closed their doors. Good deals still to be had at small town pawn shops and gun shows on the old break opens.....
Although just about anything with a hole in it will work to set the spent shell on to remove the primer, I have found that an old socket from a socket set works great, and the shell doesn't slide or move around on you. Also when you are loading it with powder and shot, leave it in the socket and the primer has no chance of coming in contact with the flat surface, thereby removing any risk of accidental discharge.
Very interesting. I think the use of sheeps wool as wadding is a good option though I am not so sure I would have placed it infront of the shot charge. Between powder and shot yes. I think just the over shot card would have been sufficient to hold the shot in place. Many years ago I used to have a muzzle loading percussion 20 gauge shotgun and used toilet paper (bog roll) as wadding. It catches fire though:))
Dave, contact Lee Loaders, get them to make the old, discontinued Lee Loader kits with your logo on them. I have heard a bunch of reloader guys say they wished those kits were still available.
Great how to Dave!! New project to add to the list for sure. That antique priming tool is really cool. Maybe we'll see you try your hand at one in the forge??
does anyone know how many loads for low and high a bottle of powder makes for the shell? Thank you Dave for all the information you share with us. I love the products from the store and have ordered my 4th time a few weeks ago. I love the service I am getting. hassle free and very quick delivery. I have never had one problem with any piece ordered. Cheers to you, your family, Affiliates and School.
Hey Dave, do you think it would be unreasonable to carry most of these items in a shooting bag? Perhaps a leather belt wrapped around a baton in lieu of a rubber mallet, and the primer, powder, and shot carried in smaller quantities.
Wool seems like the best option. However, have you considered using Cattail fluff? It would have to be dry of course but I noticed in the past it seemed to have a somewhat oily feel. Nothing heavy but like wool or long dog hair.
I remember watching your old video about reloading 12ga never forgot it , but this time I thought why not use this to reload my 410 ga . thanks Dave great video
Dave, can you show patterning out of your shotgun at different ranges on typical paper targets like squirrel, rabbit, turkey ? What is the velocity? Will these work from a double barrel? I have close to 2000 Alcan HOT 209+ primers, been trying to figure what to do with them as they are too hot for basic smokeless hunting loads, they were meant for wingshooting clay birds. .
Thinking of making a dip can out of a brass shell for shot and powder solder a copper pipe handle to the side -- Flaring a copper pipe will miss the primer too , I like the Wool idea .Like to find an old Lee kit but they are a collectors item now shxt they want arm and leg for it .
Thank you for the video! If I wanted to look up reloading recipes for shotgun shells using other kinds of powder and other measurements of shot, would that be safe and effective? Do these shells without the crimp cycle reliably in pump-action shotguns or is this only for use with single-shot shotguns? If I wanted to use paraffin instead of the hot glue, would that be okay?
very nice,...and here i thought it would be difficult...i have everything but the shot, powder and primers...the tooling is simple. Can i use old 100% cotton clothes wadding? ..or how about jute grain bags cut up? Does it matter if things burn a bit on the way out of the barrel?
Nice! Just bought an H&R Topper 58 that I'm going to use for my survival shotgun project. I might have to give reloading shells a go sometime. Since it's cheaper it'll fit into the theme of survival...reusable resources, self sustaining and all that stuff. Question for you Dave. You have a pretty popular vid for a survival shotgun with a choate stock. What length did you have that barrel? I'm planning on cutting mine to 20" but want to compare it with the one from your vid for reference. Thanks!
great video Dave, hope to see many more in the future, would love to see you do one on reprofiling an old hickory knife like the one you showed a while back
Anyione with a 3d printer, just know that antique primer device he uses can be 3d printed. It just requires an m3 screw and nut. I made one. Don't remember where I found it. But if you do some searching around in the usual places, you'll find it.
You mite try unique smokeless powder. It should be good for shot and slugs and pistol reloading. And you get 4 to 5 times the number of shots per pound.
Dave could you make a video of some still in production single 12's now that unfortunately H&R / New England Arms has discontinued their single shot shotguns and Handi Rifles. I know you mention pawn shops as a place to get one, but for8 months now I haven't found a 12g only 20g and a few 410's. Rossi has a single 12 and Condor makes over/unders. Just looking for your opinion since you are well versed and use many single 12's. I own a Handi-Rifle in 444 and 35 Whelen, I was gonna send in the 444 and get a 12g barrel fitted to it 8 months ago when I found out about H&R discontinuations. Thanks ahead if you consider making a video on this.
thelister4910 In the UK 7.5 shot can be bought for £4 for 25 at a clay ground. Slugs cost about £18 - £20 for a box of 25 so slightly less than a pound each.
Good video. Have you checked the screw down caps on your powder and shot to see if they are close to the same measure capacity as your powder scoop. If so one less thing to carry.
The amount of practical and useable information on this channel is just stunning. Thanks a lot Dave.
i can see how this is almost therapeutic, sitting down and reloading some shells, ive always just bought them. i see more value in your way than just buying something. thanks for posting this
great to see a survival page that also brings up the importance of firearms.
+Zane Gardner Not to mention his approach to firearms has made me reconsider what type of firearm I want to have in my house and for hunting. If SHTF ever happens I want something that is easy to maintain, and something there is a lot of ammo around for in civilian hands.
girafmad 12g shotgun and a 9mm or .357 magnum handgun. There is 3 different types of ammo for a 12g you can shoot and there is a shit ton of it everywhere. 9mm is the most common handgun round you will find and is very low recoil but also very accurate and powerful enough to stop someone or something. And I say .357 magnum revolver because you can shoot 357 magnums threw it and also .38 specials. So you get the 2 for a price of 1 kinda deal.
Zane Gardner You misunderstood me a bit, my fault though for not being clear in my reply.
I did not mean that as a question. Thank you for a very good answer anyway though.
What I ment was (before I reevaluated my firearms stance) I used to think that the most powerful firearm would be the ideal thing for any sort of SHTF or long survival type scenario.
Thankfully I know better now.
girafmad ahhh gotcha hahahah
Dave I found an old 12 ga. in a pawn shop last year, the chamber is 2 9/16 so a normal shell won't fit. The gun was made in 1869. The video you made before ( where you trimmed the end off after waxing it) works for me. Fun and simple.
Very well explained and demonstrated. The rural setting and all those birds twittering in the background add to the whole atmosphere.
Wow, so simple and effective. The birds were a nice touch, wish I was out in the field right now!
Excellent! I ordered a .690 ball mold for improvised 12 ga loading. Doing everything possible to become ammo independent. I love my 870 R but will always value my old single shot shotgun...paid $35 for it lol.
Howdy, Brother! All I can say is thank you for your expertise. Years ago I purchased a few of your campfire cooking accessories and they're still going strong. By the way, your 12GA shotgun series (back in the day) improved my camping/hunting experience. God Bless and Drive-On, Cowboy!!
You just can't get more common man than this for reloading shells! Thank you Dave for sharing this method.
Dave, why don't you come out with a reloading field kit for 12, 16, 20 gauge. Tough carbide tools, common man prices.
This remind me the way my dad used to reload his 12 shells long time ago.I think nowadays this is forbiden in Spain.Best Regards from the other side of the pond Sir.
I've seen people use a washer set into a wooden block to knock out the primers. I just drilled a hole in a flat bar of steel. Its big enough to de-prime on one side and set against the other. A 1/4" thick piece of flat stock works fine.
I have had a primer press (crimper?) like that sitting on my workbench for close to twenty years and had no idea what the hell it was. At first, I thought it had to do with grommets until I tried it. It did not make a good grommet press. It belonged to my father but he is no longer around to answer questions for me. Thank you very much for making this and other videos. I never fail to learn something from each and every one.
Been watching your videos over the years and I must say that you are one of the best outside the box thinkers I have ever seen. Thanks so much for all your info.
That is awesome you know where you're going to see me picking up all those empty shotgun shells that everybody leaves behind thanks dave
wow my comment is still there after all this time
I hope you got to read it Dave
I really liked you on the show
and I think it was total BS I'm glad you have this forum to share your knowledge with others it speaks volumes about your character Dave Canterbury ! thank you for giving us all a leg up in the survival game I will kick down to your cause whenever I can as often as I can sir you are a worthy Steward of the art and science of survival and I applaud your generosity and feel it deserves reciprication .
God bless you and your loved ones who are very proud of you to be sure !
oh boy... I'm going to have to start reloading my shot shells now. Especially since I have 20G, 16G, and 410 but no 12G. Ammo isn't that expensive for 20G but this would be a fun project and it makes you appreciate every shot.
So glad people are still teaching the basics. I spread knowledge of gun ownership to all the pals i know who could use. Most people ask me for lessons now. Thank you
Hi Dave, so simple in kit, process steps and method. Thanks Greg
This works as long as the shell doesn't need resizing. That will be the case (usually) if you're putting the shell back into the same gun it was fired in, or if it was only ever used with black powder equivalent loads, but (especially) high brass hunting loads are likely to expand the brass base of the shell too much to go back into the gun. For a few dollars more, you can find a precision bushing (a replacement part for a commercial shotshell reloading press is the easiest to find) that can be used to resize the brass base before decapping and then your reloads will work in any 12 Ga. regardless what the original load was or what gun they were fired in before. This will also work for those all-brass shells you had in the opening introduction to the equipment, though those are generally sold empty and if you only load them with black powder or reproduction powder, you'll probably never need to size them.
I just got my kit together for my 12 gauge single barrel .
this brings back memories of the 21st century longhunter series. nice refresher. thanks Dave!!
That primer seating tool is brilliant!
You can save carrying a few tools if you expand your primer pockets on the shot shells so that a primer will just slide into it loosely. with using the single shot you don't need to worry about it falling out once the action is locked up. This is a trick quick draw shooters use when they are practicing with there single action revolvers.
I do like reloading my own BP 12ga loads. I counter sunk a divot in my wooden dowel so it can safely seat primers as well as seat cards and waddling or cups. Cork biscuits work great for overpowder/under shot cards. Cut with a Harbor Freight punch set. And I got a great quality roll crimping tool from Amazon? Ebay? Don't remember but it took awhile to get here and quality was excellent. From Russia!
Hey, this method is great with brass shells. I tried it out myself. I use a shell I sharpened as a punch. And make end caps out of thin plastic. Like milk jugs or margarine lids.
Mate im from australia an trying to get basic supplies from our dwindling gun stores is a headache to put it nicely.with your awsome knowlage it can help a lot of blokes in Australia.That are just trying to keep our bush culture alive and our country safe from all of the problems this world is facing in these unpradictable times..Our government is buckeling to the worldwide left.I'd like to know what the aussie population will do when china or some other state declairs war on a unarmed population.Because only 1 in 500 citizens has any acess to a firearm. and i think that may be an exageration.Anyway thanks again for teaching us some of your great knowlage and keep up the great work..
Awesome info. Just makes me love an old single barrel 12g that much more.
Incredibly informative video. I really enjoy this simple packable kit has field reloading functions which could be used in event of emergency if trapped or in a urban survival situation.
Gonna make a similar setup “ and the sheep wool trick is Brilliant !!! Thank you for sharing this Information.
Best video I’ve seen in a long time. Thank you!
EFFffin Sweet
Great vid. Very close if not identical to the Lee Hand Loader kit I use for my big bore rifles. Too bad H&R closed their doors. Good deals still to be had at small town pawn shops and gun shows on the old break opens.....
Good stuff!
I’m going to set up a reloading kit in my synthetic stock. Should all fit.
I got two good ideas from this video. The sheep wool and the glue stick. Thanks.
Although just about anything with a hole in it will work to set the spent shell on to remove the primer, I have found that an old socket from a socket set works great, and the shell doesn't slide or move around on you. Also when you are loading it with powder and shot, leave it in the socket and the primer has no chance of coming in contact with the flat surface, thereby removing any risk of accidental discharge.
Very interesting. I think the use of sheeps wool as wadding is a good option though I am not so sure I would have placed it infront of the shot charge. Between powder and shot yes. I think just the over shot card would have been sufficient to hold the shot in place.
Many years ago I used to have a muzzle loading percussion 20 gauge shotgun and used toilet paper (bog roll) as wadding. It catches fire though:))
Thanks! Cheaper than a Dillon, Hornady or Mec progressive and it gets the job done!
Dave, contact Lee Loaders, get them to make the old, discontinued Lee Loader kits with your logo on them. I have heard a bunch of reloader guys say they wished those kits were still available.
just stumbled across this, but maybe the most important youtube I have ever watched.
Great how to Dave!! New project to add to the list for sure. That antique priming tool is really cool. Maybe we'll see you try your hand at one in the forge??
does anyone know how many loads for low and high a bottle of powder makes for the shell? Thank you Dave for all the information you share with us. I love the products from the store and have ordered my 4th time a few weeks ago. I love the service I am getting. hassle free and very quick delivery. I have never had one problem with any piece ordered. Cheers to you, your family, Affiliates and School.
very similar how we did it when i was a kid. ya got a beautiful property Dave.
Good points on the benefits of raw wool as a wadding material.
Hey Dave, do you think it would be unreasonable to carry most of these items in a shooting bag? Perhaps a leather belt wrapped around a baton in lieu of a rubber mallet, and the primer, powder, and shot carried in smaller quantities.
Another great video Dave,thanks for sharing.
Cool!! Great info for us preppers. Start saving my spent shells now.
Wool seems like the best option. However, have you considered using Cattail fluff? It would have to be dry of course but I noticed in the past it seemed to have a somewhat oily feel. Nothing heavy but like wool or long dog hair.
That was cool! cant wait to try this. I do appreciate all that I have learned from you.
I remember watching your old video about reloading 12ga never forgot it , but this time I thought why not use this to reload my 410 ga . thanks Dave great video
Nicely done Dave
great stuff
Dave, can you show patterning out of your shotgun at different ranges on typical paper targets like squirrel, rabbit, turkey ? What is the velocity? Will these work from a double barrel? I have close to 2000 Alcan HOT 209+ primers, been trying to figure what to do with them as they are too hot for basic smokeless hunting loads, they were meant for wingshooting clay birds. .
$12/lb for Pyrodex, that's cheaper than a gallon of milk up here. Powder is like $60-$90 a pound up here in the great white north.
Thinking of making a dip can out of a brass shell for shot and powder solder a copper pipe handle to the side -- Flaring a copper pipe will miss the primer too , I like the Wool idea .Like to find an old Lee kit but they are a collectors item now shxt they want arm and leg for it .
Just as simple as that. I can't wait to try it.
Thanks Dave!!!! Great Idea that I never gave any thought to........but should have. Gonna try that this weekend. God bless my friend
Thank you for the video!
If I wanted to look up reloading recipes for shotgun shells using other kinds of powder and other measurements of shot, would that be safe and effective?
Do these shells without the crimp cycle reliably in pump-action shotguns or is this only for use with single-shot shotguns?
If I wanted to use paraffin instead of the hot glue, would that be okay?
very nice,...and here i thought it would be difficult...i have everything but the shot, powder and primers...the tooling is simple. Can i use old 100% cotton clothes wadding? ..or how about jute grain bags cut up? Does it matter if things burn a bit on the way out of the barrel?
+Accuracy Marked Depends on whether you want to start a forest fire or not I guess
***** lol, i'll take that in consideration...wet days, use this shot.
Thanks for teaching. I appreciate it. God bless you and your family.
Love your videos this would be a great way to reload and hunt on the super cheap, hell do a box at a time!
I like the screwdriver that you used in other videos
would adding a candle to the kit for the glue sticks help if you did several an once? might make your lighter last longer.
Think you can do a forging video for that primer tool? I think it would be a nice project.
That makes things easy. Thanks
Hell yes. I needed this video. How would I do a slug though?
Nice! Just bought an H&R Topper 58 that I'm going to use for my survival shotgun project. I might have to give reloading shells a go sometime. Since it's cheaper it'll fit into the theme of survival...reusable resources, self sustaining and all that stuff.
Question for you Dave. You have a pretty popular vid for a survival shotgun with a choate stock. What length did you have that barrel? I'm planning on cutting mine to 20" but want to compare it with the one from your vid for reference.
Thanks!
Great field loading video, good resourceful idea.
Wow great video. Didn't know it was that easy to reload shot shells. Will you carry those items on the Wilderness Outfitters store?
I am curious as to how you cut your card plugs? what stock and how to cut them.
I know this was five years ago but I can't seem to find the wool wadding for the shotgun shells
Dave, would you consider a video showing buckshot shot this way?
great video Dave, hope to see many more in the future, would love to see you do one on reprofiling an old hickory knife like the one you showed a while back
Hey, Dave, have you ever experimented with refilling primers/caps with ground-up match heads? there's at least one video on TH-cam on the subject
Good to know thank you very much!
Thanks Dave, I appreciate the video.
Great video. Very interesting. "A country boy can survive".
Deve , your VIDEO are AMAZING, ... MASSIVE THANKS 👍‼️
Anyione with a 3d printer, just know that antique primer device he uses can be 3d printed. It just requires an m3 screw and nut. I made one. Don't remember where I found it. But if you do some searching around in the usual places, you'll find it.
Thanks Dave that was a great video. Can you rebuild primers in a emergency. I heard you can use caps
Awesome video gonna start reloading now.
You mite try unique smokeless powder. It should be good for shot and slugs and pistol reloading. And you get 4 to 5 times the number of shots per pound.
It's important to note that if you use that much modern shotgun powder like Titewad, you gun WILL explode. he used Pyrodex
Dave could you make a video of some still in production single 12's now that unfortunately H&R / New England Arms has discontinued their single shot shotguns and Handi Rifles. I know you mention pawn shops as a place to get one, but for8 months now I haven't found a 12g only 20g and a few 410's. Rossi has a single 12 and Condor makes over/unders. Just looking for your opinion since you are well versed and use many single 12's. I own a Handi-Rifle in 444 and 35 Whelen, I was gonna send in the 444 and get a 12g barrel fitted to it 8 months ago when I found out about H&R discontinuations. Thanks ahead if you consider making a video on this.
Here in the UK it isn't worth the saving to reload 12 gauge shells, unless they are slugs of course slugs are nearly a pound a shot here retail.
+srspower A pound per slug?!? That's cheap!!!
Im paying about 1 euro per 7 1/2 shot
+caveymoley In the US it's about $7 per box of 25 7 1/2 shot. About $1 per slug.
thelister4910 In the UK 7.5 shot can be bought for £4 for 25 at a clay ground. Slugs cost about £18 - £20 for a box of 25 so slightly less than a pound each.
They are ripping me off in france then...
caveymoley Its probably supply and demand, here in the UK shotgun shooting is huge because its the easiest license to get.
a 3/8 drive socket would work good as the base for punching out the primers.
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing this and all your knowledge with us.
Could you do a video comparing the patterns of your hand loads versus commercial loads?
I have wanted to see how reloading was done for a long time. thanks
Dave have you made a video of this with any type of slug ? Just 🧐 Curious
With the same technique work with those mag tec brass shotgun shells
thanks for the how to. could cotton balls be substituted for sheeps wool.
can someone tell me what brand is that shotgun
dave thanks for the common man videos
Too bad we can't get these things needed for reloading now!
so 65 grains ? I was thinking mybe 1/3 of that for 410 ga .
how many times can you use the regular plastic shotgun shells? and how long do the brass ones last?
Could you modify the kit to use smokeless powder ? Do they make a handheld crimper?
Thanks Dave I want to say thanks for sharing your knowledge. God bless you.
Good video. Have you checked the screw down caps on your powder and shot to see if they are close to the same measure capacity as your powder scoop. If so one less thing to carry.
Could you use cattail as wadding and pine tar instead of glue in the field in a pinch? Or do you think the flammability would be an issue?