I definitely agree, but I also appreciated how hesitantly and awkwardly Christine approached and touched Johnny. She clearly showed that Beverly had never let herself be vulnerable with anyone before, or shown genuine affection.
I got the feeling that he dealt with something like this in real life. I felt the emotions he was putting off and the sniffling at the very end was real, and he tapped into that for this scene kind of like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air scene where he tells his dad to get out of his life and he has that amazing hug with uncle Phil.
I’ve seen this episode a million times and I’m just now realizing Beverly was actually crying. That type of realization that you never know you needed something till you got it is amazing. She never knew how much she wanted to hear her son forgive her for not being the best parent until he actually said it and it sunk in. Top tier acting.
I always find that holding on anger or resentment only hurts you more than the person you hate. I know it's just a tv show but someday I want to have the courage to be able to tell that to the person who hurt me and really mean it.
I can't help but think there was a moment before this, possibly *years* ago, when she had a moment of clarity for how her actions affected Leonard but simultaneously realised that no matter what she did *now* it wouldn't erase the past, so she just accepted that their relationship was irrevocably broken and it was on her and she didn't have the emotional capacity to fix/make up for it. She never thought she could be forgiven so him *actually* forgiving her was both unexpected and a relief that she probably never expected to happen anywhere but her deathbed. Or maybe I'm giving her too much credit, who knows.
You’re correct in everything but I think 💭 that in this moment gave her the answer that she was always looking for. The years of research 🧐 of trying understand emotions and human psychology to help understand really herself. She had a deep resentment of really herself despite all her accomplishments. She didn’t understand love ❤️ because you can’t understand it really if you don’t how to love ❤️ yourself. Leonard in this moment finally gave her that answer
It doesn’t justify any of her actions and behavior towards her son and family, but Beverly is essentially a further set in her ways version of Sheldon or what Sheldon could’ve become if he hadn’t met and then started having more people that he would eventually call his friends and family come into his life. And this is just my speculation here, but since she’s a worse version of Sheldon, then I don’t think it’s too far a stretch to think that she truly isn’t aware of the impact of her actions outside of the ones that she intentionally does to cause harm or discomfort or disrespect… She’s emotionally and socially… Immature? Compromised? Ignorant? Basically, she doesn’t see or understand why others react - in this case Leonard - the way they do to her actions when they aren’t done with a negative intention. It reminds me a little bit of when Sheldon ended up offending Dr. Emily and apologized to her on the party bus to Vegas. Again, it doesn’t justify the things that she’s done because she has purposely done shitty things without caring or taking into consideration the long term affects, thoughts and feelings of others - Leonard’s many tales of all the “heartwarming memories” from his childhood growing up in the Hofstadter home in Jersey is plenty of evidence along with her visits to Pasadena… It would be too easy to just call her an evil person or just a bitch, but I think more than anything she’s just a deeply flawed individual who wants to “connect” but doesn’t know how. It certainly would explain her reaction to all of this and why it felt good for her son to forgive her… And why she almost timidly hugged him.
It was getting to the point of the show, where his unnecessary puns and Asperger's attitude was starting to get unfunny. That's why this show was amazing, they knew how set the tone with great writing.
Ugh yuck. Would’ve ruined the scene 100%. I hate when sitcoms have such deep, intimate moments only to be ruined by some stupid unfunny one liner. I can picture an alternate world where Sheldon enters the room at the end of the scene and says something ridiculously unfunny finishing with bAZIgNA. like yeah no
He gets a lot of shit on and off the show, but in the end Leonard Hofstadter is a good guy. He fucks up just like the rest of us, tries to fix things when he fucks up, and is just trying to figure it all out to the best of his ability. Dude’s human 🤷🏻♀️
@@withjust-a-bite1396Unlike Sheldon. I don’t care what anyone says; I hated how Sheldon was in the last four seasons. The show was also better without Amy, and her genocide supporting actress.
That is one of the many things I like this show for: In between all the jokes and fun, there are such moments that actually are intense acting, and they are so strong as the actors playing are really brilliant at their jobs.
She didn't fail. She did the best she could give who she is. Leonard finally understood that he needs to accept her for who she is, rather than expect her to be something she's not. Most people never reach that realization and their relationship with their parents remains stuck. Those that accept their parents as humans full of flaws are rewarded with a mature relationship that can finally grow.
@@OneEyedJack01She failed as a mother to Leonard because irrespective of how peculiar she was, she showed that she could do better . Look at how she is with Sheldon and even penny. Leonard has also talked about how she favoured her other kids over him. She just never cared for Leonard because she considered him to be mediocre. So, yea she did in fact fail horribly, she could have done more but she didn't care enough to do so.
@@theelatebloomer Demanding that parents be perfect is a standard nobody can live up to. Leonard obtained a PhD in physics, landed a job at a good university, has a great group of friends, and got the girl. All said, he turned out OK. Mission accomplished.
To the writers of this scene, thank you. This helped me forgive myself for my past resentment to my mother for her neglect growing up. (We had reconciled years ago, but it took a while to let go of my guilt.)
What I can see in this scene is that Leonard did the "forgiving" more for himself than for his mother. Sometimes it's better to just let go of something than to stubbornly cling hard on to it despite not getting what you want. Do note that part of why Leonard has issues in himself is that he is trying very hard to gain Beverly's approval even when it doesn't seem that she will give it to him. The relief Leonard felt when he chose to "forgive" her than to call her out for everything that made her a failure of a mother is proof of that. Leonard realized that from that point on, he doesn't need to gain his mother's approval in order to complete himself. That there is emotional maturity. Some people may not like how he addressed the Beverly issue, but it is a valid way to do so nevertheless.
So well-acted, very moving scene. I always identified with Leonard a tiny bit in his difficult relationship with his mother. My dear mom was not really very much like Beverly, but she *was* blunt and abrupt and impatient. With 5 kids, me being the youngest, I get that… but my tender sensitivity was always a little shattered by it. She loved us fiercely but wasn’t demonstrative with it. I did totally forgive her for any unintended hurts (and they were ALL unintended - she did everything that she did out of the best, selfless reasons, truly). I never told her that because I think that would’ve hurt her greatly to know I was hurt by anything she did or didn’t do.
This was incredible scene. I love how realistic it was. That she didnt miraceously changed. But at the same time we realize its been bothering her how she treated him. And that they didnt end it with a dumb joke was also great.
I really felt it for Leonard the whole series. His mother was well intended. But basically destroyed his self esteem. I have had a similar relationship with my hyper religious mother. Is not easy or fun at all
What got me was how quiet the scene was. My dad passed away a few months ago and I am still dealing with a lot of anger. Some at him, some at the whole f***** situation. I hope one day that I'll get to that level of forgiveness that Leonard did
This scene ranked right up there with when Wills farther didn’t take him with him on the trip he said he would on the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Being a son of a truck driver the episode really hit hard with me. And having a mother that only cares for herself and money this episode hit me just as hard.
This shows that bh knew she was a badmother to leonard but her ego couldnt let her apologise but deep down she wanted to ask for forgiveness. Loved this moment..
Hence why she went into psychology because she wanted to understand why she is who she is. She doesn’t understand emotions because she doesn’t have the ability to really have them
really great scene but this also highlights one of the biggest problems with the big bang theory. there shouldn’t have been a single moment where the audience got told to laugh or whatever in this scene. it should have been dead silent because this is supposed to be a huge moment for leonard, yet within 40 seconds of it starting, there’s audience laughter where it shouldn’t be. young sheldon did this so much better and i don’t get why the new spin-off show had to undo it but chuck lorre and his writers during TBBT rarely actually gave this show the serious moments it deserved without flattening the meaning with unnecessary laughter
Touching as this moment was, I honestly think Leonard should’ve cut ties with his mom years ago after all the shit she put him through and officially forgave her as she was about to die
First time Beverly cries. Becasue agaisnt all odds, someone does in fact love her. And it was the person she hurt the most, she is well aware of it, she is a Psychologist and good at her job. While she invited her children to her sixties.... it is clear she is not close to them, given the way she talks of them. Nor is particulalry proud of them...and I assume they do not like her all that much either. Sheldon is a collegue she respects and he respects back. But not much else.
"That wasn't my intention." That perfectly describes both Leonard's relationship with his mother and with Sheldon. When either of them hurt Leonard or other people the excuse for them was they didn't know any better. Leonard really was the hero of this show.
Being autistic is living a life full of social landmines. They really don't understand how to avoid saying insensitive or hurtful things. It's not that they don't care.
Leonard should and needed to forgive his mom to grow beyond the mental abuse and not repeat it. What he should also do is cut her out of his life permanently and refuse to allow her any contact with grandkids or his family cause she will not ever change and would experiment on her grand kids just like she did him. Leonard was never her son, he was just a subject for experimentation. The hug and the rest ws nothing but trying not to lose a lab rat for her next book.
The relationship between a mother and son is so beautiful. This scene is what so many people need to do . Forgiveness is the hardest thing to deal with after grief 😭.
yeah but she has no conscience, She is a machine. No amount of punishment would've changed her. I suspect her hugging was just a simulation of empathy. I would put sheldon in same category as well
@@sanketvaria9734 sheldon has way more empathy than her. I will say, her saying thank you to him for forgiving her, makes it seem like she knows what she has done. But yeah, I wish he told her off
Keeping scoreboards and thinking it is necessary to "even the score" will never build a healthy relationship. You forgive, accept, and move on, or you end the relationship. Trying to balance the scale only leads to lifetime of petty resentment. In the end, you have to ask, what is more important, a petty need for retribution or mending a relationship?
@@OneEyedJack01 It is definitely not petty in a lot of cases. It is fully justified in many of them, so do not act like you understand what it is like and like it is not the right path just because moving on sounds better.
Imagine your entire life is an experiment to your mother! And you are nothing but a variable in her experiment, no more, no less! I don’t think I have the courage to forgive someone like that! Ever
Leonard is a better man than me. If I found out the day I spent with my emotionally distant mother, getting along and finally enjoying each other’s company was nothing but research, I would’ve just cut Beverly out of my life.
The thing is, was it? Or was it that she called Research. She comes off a lot like Sheldon and it took a long time for Sheldon to accept his feelings and how others interacted with those feelings. Beverly would compartmentalize because she didn't understand her emotions. She made herself detached to avoid any hurt on her part. But she wasn't blind that she was hurting her kids but as someone who doesn't understand others she never really knew how much. Sheldon doesn't think he is hurting his friends feelings when he acts or how badly he doesn't intend to hurt them he just doesn't know what will and what won't. Beverly is the same way. So while she might have actually enjoyed spending time with Leonard to protect herself she would call it research, she would view it as such because it keeps it at arms length.
Till this moment he was looking away from her, seeming though he said the words but still harbored anger. The moment he hugs her back is when we can feel his resentment for her has over.
It's good to forgive. But that woman was absolutely toxic to Leonard for his entire life, and she never changed. After he left home, he should have never let her back into his life. She's an accomplished author in child psychology and knew exactly what Leonard needed in terms of emotional wellbeing. But she didn't give him that because she "simply had no interest" in putting in that effort. And she never had any remorse for it either. It would have been much healthier for him to forgive her while also distancing himself from her until she did show true remorse for her actions (or lack thereof).
Well, the final of the show was left pretty open ended so that could possibly be what ended up becoming of their relationship… Either this ended up giving them an opportunity to at least have a more civil relationship with her being more careful/thoughtful, which I don’t think Leonard would be entirely against now that he has his peace… or… She doesn’t change and he is civil, but now he’s finally doing something that he’s been needing to do for a very long time - setting boundaries and maintaining those boundaries.
She knew but she does not have the capacity to actually IMPLEMENT it herself. Don't you get it? Beverly has a lot of disorders. Anti-Social probably. A lot of other psychological problems (ironically). I can understand a bit since I hate socializing too. I KNOW HOW, but I do not have the capacity to do it. I rarely pick up on social cues and I only see my own well being. Even if I hurt others. When your belief contradicts what is drilled into you, it becomes a war within you. And most of the time, you choose to ignore what is taught. Truth is, Beverly should have been reported to the DCFS the moment they discovered that she used Leonard for her "experiments". She was unfit to be his mother. She was the culprit in ruining Leonard's life yes but she is a victim too. Sheldon would have become like her if he did not have Mary. Or worse. Beverly was not so lucky in having her parents.
Trust me, this is realistic. You're never going to have that big fight moment when you tell everything you don't like about you're family, and they'll apologize to you. And if you do, it won't go as planned. Everyone will always have flaws, more or less toxic, and you can't change that, no matter how munch rage you put in you're facedown with them. But someone can try to live with they're flaws. So either you hate them forever, or you learn to live at peace with them and their flaws, with the hope that they'll to. Trust me, I've been through it, it may not sound like the big justice moment everyone wants, but it is the best thing for everyone.
This was too quick. This should've have been a multi episode arc that built up to this point. Leonard's mother shouldn't have been reacting , she should've been ambiguously evolving until she reached this tipping point. Seems like producers have a habit of tying up loose ends because tge series was winding down and it felt rushed.
A build up would be an accumulation of incidents until the situation reached a critical mass. For example, say Leonard earned tenure on the show, and his mother barely reacted to it , that would've been something that raised Leonard 's blood pressure. The fact that Leonard 's mother was was going over his shoulder only conversing with sheldon should 've been a major bone of contention. As a matter of fact it should've been something that Leonard called out sheldon on that should've put a strain on their friendship. Instead we got flip flopping, one moment Leonard's mom would seem to realize the error of her ways and show some humanity, but a few episodes later she's back to being a cold hearted bitch. Simply having Leonard seemingly consigned to the fact that this is how his situation is always going to be and all of a sudden he has a meltdown in the last season just seems rushed. At very least it should've been a 2 parter just to deal with this. This was also a missed opportunity to build upon Sheldon's character, by having him realize that this is how he treats other people so he stands up for his friend.
@danielcamacho1913 Bigger Person or doormat? We've seen these moments before where they seem to have progress in their relationship only for Beverly to go right back to disregarding Leonards feelings/accomplishments. She behaves this way because 1) she doesn't really care how people feel and 2) she's always allowed to get away with it. Leonard had a chance to giver her real consequences that she deserved but he just gave up at the last second because he knew it would only serve to hurt himself.
I've watched this series soooo many times but somehow always missed this episode ( i watch it on tv like the jolly good ol' days), so i first watched this scene right now. Had to come here and rewatch it. Very nice ending for them ❤
Lets be honest , he only forgives her because is a comedy show , that woman is probably the worst mon ( or person ) in all tv shows sorry for any mistakes (brasilian guy )
This scene made me teared up for leonard, I hate beverly so much, everytime she appeared, she made me hate sheldon even more. Props to the cast and the writers for this scene.
This is my first time seeing this scene, and even though I did not grow up in any way with this type of relationship with my mother or father. I felt immensely angry for him, even though it took HIS forgiveness for her to (drop her wall built from well known guilt i'm guessing she figured would shield her in case he went full World War III on her at some point to comfort what she knew would come ) to give him what he always not only wanted, but just deserved as a son a Mothers love is all he ever wanted. Its the greatest Shelter and Nourishment any child needs from a parent. Damaged children unhealed always become broken adults
Tbh, I feel like Mary deserved credit in this episode. Even though, she wasn't in it, I like to believe her being around Leonard over the years, her preaching about the Lord really took effect on him. One of the things that we learn from the bible is forgiveness and we don't make any progress with aggression and hatred in our heart. Nobody's perfect and despite Beverley actions towards Leonard, I like to believe that she did the best that she could as a parent. So this for sure was a heartwarming moment. I just wish Mary was in this episode.
I reckon it would have been better for the series if he forgave her and then said something along the lines of "but i cant see you for now, at least till your ready to love me for me" and then make up for it on the finale. Maybe thats just me.
Feeling self-righteous and entitled to resentment might feel good. But forgiveness is infinitely better. It might feel unfair for some, but trust me, we've all been unfair to people all our lives
Fuck that. This is forced no man will forgive whole life of torture. Leonard in reality would have humiliated her bad and sued her at the end to strip her of license and doctorate
Kind of corny that there was a positive outcome since all things considered, Leonard had more than enough rights to walk away from his mother when he realized she was never actually a mother the entire time. But it's a sitcom and the series had a lot of situations that ended ridiculously instead of actuality. Best example of that is Sheldon messing with Leonard, Raj, and Howard's bitcoin venture just to get back at them because they didn't want him in on said venture. Leonard had every right to knock out a few of Sheldon's teeth at that.
I’ve always been under the impression that the authors wanted us to believe that Beverly loved her son, despite her countless Flaws as a mother. And there was some kind of development in that regard, like when she was so happy to see him getting married and approved Penny because she could see how the girl Made him happy. But they should have handled the ending better, it was way too rushed and that woman took a huge step back with that experiment shit. What a shame. In the end I still like this though: he did it for himself, not for her. And it was the right thing, he deserved it. She didn’t. (Possibly bad english, I apologize.)
Well, dammit. I’ve been watching light-hearted funny stuff this evening and now I’m wiping tears… I guess we all need to forgive our parents (or *someone* ) for their unintended hurtfulness, don’t we.
At some point you have to let go of the past and move on. You have to forgive people and forgive yourself. Moving forward you know who you can trust and who you need to keep at a distance.
I don't get the commentors who think this is a good outcome for Leonard and Beverly. She has spent his entire life actively ignoring or discouraging his accomplishments and has even mocked him for wanting his mother's affection/approval. Yes, Leonard needs to accept that she will not change. That doesn't mean he needs to continue to be a doormat to someone who makes it a point to be a negative aspect of his life. And if he has kids? You can guarantee Beverly will crap all over them the way she did him whatever chance she got. This resolution was so rushed and just another time Leonard is rolling over for his mom treating him badly.
It goes like this Leonard just understood values One of them is the most important Obvious-take nothing for granted Which means-stop being a baby and value yer mother/father cos FAMILY IS THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL thats y hes mother is a wonderful human being That just after a long long time Leonard happans to be aweare of that
2nd: Re George in Young Sheldon - Hey TBBT channel why don't you upload AN EDITED version of the scene with Penny & Sheldon eliminating or rewriting the scene that was RETCONNED. hahahaha lol it's totally a retcon this is exactly the solution i had in mind except i couldn't think of how it was a retcon. COME ON how is this not a retcon? the writers should've owned up and said 'pretend the scene with penny never happened and now we're doing a new thing' Sheldon even had that catholic confession thing w/ Tam over something not as big as adultery. And you think Sheldon would keep quiet over adultery??!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA the writers should rewrite that scene with sheldon & penny. What they could've done is say 'hey we changed our minds. Actually it makes more sense Sheldon's dad isn't a neglectful drunk. Sheldon's dad's support is a big part of why Sheldon is so successful. We'll rewrite TBBT scenes later. Bear with us please.' Better than a RETCON.
His mother is very much like Sheldon with her emotional intelligence. She may not mean to do something, but she will still do it with how she acts. The reason he handles Sheldon so well is that she grew up with the female version of him.
It always bothered me that Beverly and Sheldon were consistently terrible people in the show (and people just tolerate or even cater to it) and they just say "I see what I did wrong and I'm sorry" then all is forgiven because it's the final Episode, not saying the show should've been longer to see growth but the show should've shown that growth leading up to it and not just leave it like that.
@@pouetpouetdaddy5 If somebody did something really awful to me like killing somebody from my family I'd never forgive the person. I'm pretty sure nobody would want to forgive a person for killing their loved ones
@@AndrewBlacker-t1d I honestly hate Woody Allen for things he apparently did to his adoptive daughter but I don't go around thinking about him the whole day. I honestly hope I never meet him in person. I usually don't believe abuse allegations against celebrities but his adoptive daughter was 7 years old when she apparently was abused and I honestly don't think a 7 year old would lie about that to ruin a person's life
Johnny’s acting in this scene is so good…the way his voice breaks around 1:12 really makes you feel for him
I definitely agree, but I also appreciated how hesitantly and awkwardly Christine approached and touched Johnny. She clearly showed that Beverly had never let herself be vulnerable with anyone before, or shown genuine affection.
His acting has always been great. The whole reason I gave this show a chance initially is because I remembered his brilliant work on Roseanne.
I got the feeling that he dealt with something like this in real life. I felt the emotions he was putting off and the sniffling at the very end was real, and he tapped into that for this scene kind of like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air scene where he tells his dad to get out of his life and he has that amazing hug with uncle Phil.
I’ve seen this episode a million times and I’m just now realizing Beverly was actually crying. That type of realization that you never know you needed something till you got it is amazing. She never knew how much she wanted to hear her son forgive her for not being the best parent until he actually said it and it sunk in. Top tier acting.
“Too bad, I forgive you anyway” was the best. He reclaimed his power by telling her that his forgiveness was for himself, not her
Not at all, he let her off the hook way too easily
You can only change yourself and that's what Leonard did. 💜
I always find that holding on anger or resentment only hurts you more than the person you hate. I know it's just a tv show but someday I want to have the courage to be able to tell that to the person who hurt me and really mean it.
@ I am sure you will. Forgiveness takes time, introspection and growth but it’s worth it when it happens!
I can't help but think there was a moment before this, possibly *years* ago, when she had a moment of clarity for how her actions affected Leonard but simultaneously realised that no matter what she did *now* it wouldn't erase the past, so she just accepted that their relationship was irrevocably broken and it was on her and she didn't have the emotional capacity to fix/make up for it. She never thought she could be forgiven so him *actually* forgiving her was both unexpected and a relief that she probably never expected to happen anywhere but her deathbed.
Or maybe I'm giving her too much credit, who knows.
Maybe. It makes sense when she says thank you to him for forgiving her
You’re correct in everything but I think 💭 that in this moment gave her the answer that she was always looking for. The years of research 🧐 of trying understand emotions and human psychology to help understand really herself. She had a deep resentment of really herself despite all her accomplishments. She didn’t understand love ❤️ because you can’t understand it really if you don’t how to love ❤️ yourself. Leonard in this moment finally gave her that answer
That’s a *wonderful* take
When I saw that scene the first time, I couldn’t stop crying the moment she hugged him and he hugged her back 😢😢😢😢.
It doesn’t justify any of her actions and behavior towards her son and family, but Beverly is essentially a further set in her ways version of Sheldon or what Sheldon could’ve become if he hadn’t met and then started having more people that he would eventually call his friends and family come into his life.
And this is just my speculation here, but since she’s a worse version of Sheldon, then I don’t think it’s too far a stretch to think that she truly isn’t aware of the impact of her actions outside of the ones that she intentionally does to cause harm or discomfort or disrespect…
She’s emotionally and socially… Immature? Compromised? Ignorant?
Basically, she doesn’t see or understand why others react - in this case Leonard - the way they do to her actions when they aren’t done with a negative intention.
It reminds me a little bit of when Sheldon ended up offending Dr. Emily and apologized to her on the party bus to Vegas.
Again, it doesn’t justify the things that she’s done because she has purposely done shitty things without caring or taking into consideration the long term affects, thoughts and feelings of others - Leonard’s many tales of all the “heartwarming memories” from his childhood growing up in the Hofstadter home in Jersey is plenty of evidence along with her visits to Pasadena…
It would be too easy to just call her an evil person or just a bitch, but I think more than anything she’s just a deeply flawed individual who wants to “connect” but doesn’t know how.
It certainly would explain her reaction to all of this and why it felt good for her son to forgive her… And why she almost timidly hugged him.
That is probably the only time that she ever gave him any true affection.
Good that they didn’t add Sheldon and add some unnecessary pun
It was getting to the point of the show, where his unnecessary puns and Asperger's attitude was starting to get unfunny. That's why this show was amazing, they knew how set the tone with great writing.
Ugh yuck. Would’ve ruined the scene 100%. I hate when sitcoms have such deep, intimate moments only to be ruined by some stupid unfunny one liner. I can picture an alternate world where Sheldon enters the room at the end of the scene and says something ridiculously unfunny finishing with bAZIgNA. like yeah no
They ruined the moment with Penny when Sheldon expresses his support and assistance to Howard after he looses his mother
Big whoop great character accept that.
Agreed. "Leave a tender moment alone."
Leonard is a great guy man.
He gets a lot of shit on and off the show, but in the end Leonard Hofstadter is a good guy. He fucks up just like the rest of us, tries to fix things when he fucks up, and is just trying to figure it all out to the best of his ability.
Dude’s human 🤷🏻♀️
@@withjust-a-bite1396Unlike Sheldon. I don’t care what anyone says; I hated how Sheldon was in the last four seasons. The show was also better without Amy, and her genocide supporting actress.
@@Ben8484who's the gncd supporting actress?
@@mapuggs AMY’S genocide supporting actress.
@@Ben8484what do you mean?
In all honesty, i bet the actors actually did legitimately get emotional in this sequence. I mean how could you not
Yeah, I can bet Kaley Cuoco was crying outside the cameras during this scene.
"... and I forgive myself for taking so long to do it."
I took 30+ years. God damn, that line hit hard.
The laugh track at "Doesnt matter, I forgive you anyways", was definitely worst timing.
that was the studio audience bc of how it hushed up.
@@sersastark shit audience
That is one of the many things I like this show for: In between all the jokes and fun, there are such moments that actually are intense acting, and they are so strong as the actors playing are really brilliant at their jobs.
Beverly failed as a mother, wife, and/or as a human being. If Leonard is a drama queen, blame her.
It's crazy that she plays a completely opposite character in every other role
She didn't fail. She did the best she could give who she is. Leonard finally understood that he needs to accept her for who she is, rather than expect her to be something she's not. Most people never reach that realization and their relationship with their parents remains stuck. Those that accept their parents as humans full of flaws are rewarded with a mature relationship that can finally grow.
That’s dramatic 😂
@@OneEyedJack01She failed as a mother to Leonard because irrespective of how peculiar she was, she showed that she could do better . Look at how she is with Sheldon and even penny. Leonard has also talked about how she favoured her other kids over him.
She just never cared for Leonard because she considered him to be mediocre.
So, yea she did in fact fail horribly, she could have done more but she didn't care enough to do so.
@@theelatebloomer Demanding that parents be perfect is a standard nobody can live up to. Leonard obtained a PhD in physics, landed a job at a good university, has a great group of friends, and got the girl. All said, he turned out OK. Mission accomplished.
To the writers of this scene, thank you. This helped me forgive myself for my past resentment to my mother for her neglect growing up. (We had reconciled years ago, but it took a while to let go of my guilt.)
This scene choked me up and I think most people can somewhat relate. I hope all is well. Wishing you and your mother blessings and serenity. 🙂
Thank you for sharing that with all of us.
What I can see in this scene is that Leonard did the "forgiving" more for himself than for his mother. Sometimes it's better to just let go of something than to stubbornly cling hard on to it despite not getting what you want. Do note that part of why Leonard has issues in himself is that he is trying very hard to gain Beverly's approval even when it doesn't seem that she will give it to him. The relief Leonard felt when he chose to "forgive" her than to call her out for everything that made her a failure of a mother is proof of that.
Leonard realized that from that point on, he doesn't need to gain his mother's approval in order to complete himself. That there is emotional maturity. Some people may not like how he addressed the Beverly issue, but it is a valid way to do so nevertheless.
So well-acted, very moving scene.
I always identified with Leonard a tiny bit in his difficult relationship with his mother. My dear mom was not really very much like Beverly, but she *was* blunt and abrupt and impatient. With 5 kids, me being the youngest, I get that… but my tender sensitivity was always a little shattered by it. She loved us fiercely but wasn’t demonstrative with it. I did totally forgive her for any unintended hurts (and they were ALL unintended - she did everything that she did out of the best, selfless reasons, truly). I never told her that because I think that would’ve hurt her greatly to know I was hurt by anything she did or didn’t do.
I can not believe they put a laugh track in this scene
Live studio audience, they even took a photo once.
@@marieroberts5664there's literally video footage showing the audience but idiots will insist they don't exist and that it's all a laugh track
It's a live audience. I guess you can blame them for laughing
I don't care if it's live track or prerecorded, it just doesn't mix with this scene
0:02 The way Penny got up 😂😂😂😂
This was incredible scene. I love how realistic it was. That she didnt miraceously changed. But at the same time we realize its been bothering her how she treated him. And that they didnt end it with a dumb joke was also great.
I really felt it for Leonard the whole series. His mother was well intended. But basically destroyed his self esteem. I have had a similar relationship with my hyper religious mother. Is not easy or fun at all
What got me was how quiet the scene was. My dad passed away a few months ago and I am still dealing with a lot of anger. Some at him, some at the whole f***** situation. I hope one day that I'll get to that level of forgiveness that Leonard did
0:44 That is the point he should’ve cut ties with her and just kicked her out.
This scene ranked right up there with when Wills farther didn’t take him with him on the trip he said he would on the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Being a son of a truck driver the episode really hit hard with me. And having a mother that only cares for herself and money this episode hit me just as hard.
This shows that bh knew she was a badmother to leonard but her ego couldnt let her apologise but deep down she wanted to ask for forgiveness. Loved this moment..
Leonard's mother is like Sheldon. She can't understand what she did wrong...
Hence why she went into psychology because she wanted to understand why she is who she is. She doesn’t understand emotions because she doesn’t have the ability to really have them
@@marcflothe she does, but doesn't know how to express them. She's autistic, not just like Sheldon, but still on the spectrum.
really great scene but this also highlights one of the biggest problems with the big bang theory. there shouldn’t have been a single moment where the audience got told to laugh or whatever in this scene. it should have been dead silent because this is supposed to be a huge moment for leonard, yet within 40 seconds of it starting, there’s audience laughter where it shouldn’t be. young sheldon did this so much better and i don’t get why the new spin-off show had to undo it but chuck lorre and his writers during TBBT rarely actually gave this show the serious moments it deserved without flattening the meaning with unnecessary laughter
Touching as this moment was, I honestly think Leonard should’ve cut ties with his mom years ago after all the shit she put him through and officially forgave her as she was about to die
That's all Leonard ever wanted was to be loved and accepted by his mother!! Great moment!!
... so, finally, the sociopath did have feelings.
First time Beverly cries.
Becasue agaisnt all odds, someone does in fact love her. And it was the person she hurt the most, she is well aware of it, she is a Psychologist and good at her job.
While she invited her children to her sixties.... it is clear she is not close to them, given the way she talks of them. Nor is particulalry proud of them...and I assume they do not like her all that much either.
Sheldon is a collegue she respects and he respects back. But not much else.
"That wasn't my intention." That perfectly describes both Leonard's relationship with his mother and with Sheldon. When either of them hurt Leonard or other people the excuse for them was they didn't know any better. Leonard really was the hero of this show.
Being autistic is living a life full of social landmines. They really don't understand how to avoid saying insensitive or hurtful things. It's not that they don't care.
Leonard should and needed to forgive his mom to grow beyond the mental abuse and not repeat it. What he should also do is cut her out of his life permanently and refuse to allow her any contact with grandkids or his family cause she will not ever change and would experiment on her grand kids just like she did him.
Leonard was never her son, he was just a subject for experimentation. The hug and the rest ws nothing but trying not to lose a lab rat for her next book.
So what do mothers like this see their children as in real life, if not mad scientists?
The relationship between a mother and son is so beautiful. This scene is what so many people need to do . Forgiveness is the hardest thing to deal with after grief 😭.
She got off way too easy
yeah but she has no conscience, She is a machine. No amount of punishment would've changed her. I suspect her hugging was just a simulation of empathy. I would put sheldon in same category as well
Which can be said about way too many parents, making this as realistic as it gets.
@@sanketvaria9734 sheldon has way more empathy than her. I will say, her saying thank you to him for forgiving her, makes it seem like she knows what she has done. But yeah, I wish he told her off
Keeping scoreboards and thinking it is necessary to "even the score" will never build a healthy relationship. You forgive, accept, and move on, or you end the relationship. Trying to balance the scale only leads to lifetime of petty resentment. In the end, you have to ask, what is more important, a petty need for retribution or mending a relationship?
@@OneEyedJack01 It is definitely not petty in a lot of cases. It is fully justified in many of them, so do not act like you understand what it is like and like it is not the right path just because moving on sounds better.
I never was a big fan of the last few seasons, but moments like these were really good
Nope; last minute moments that are GARBAGE. Penny should NEVER have tried to get close to her. I hate that they ruined Penny’s character.
Did you realise how they didn’t play the theme music at the end of the video? Out of respect for Leonard and his family.
Holy crap, she actually has a soul 😳
Props to the clip editors for not playing the theme at the end 👏
Waiting for this moment for me with both my parents and my brother and myself…
Imagine your entire life is an experiment to your mother! And you are nothing but a variable in her experiment, no more, no less! I don’t think I have the courage to forgive someone like that! Ever
From what I see, it's not about giving what's deserved but rather letting go of resentment that was only damaging him.
Emmy worthy performance
Leonard is a better man than me. If I found out the day I spent with my emotionally distant mother, getting along and finally enjoying each other’s company was nothing but research, I would’ve just cut Beverly out of my life.
The thing is, was it? Or was it that she called Research. She comes off a lot like Sheldon and it took a long time for Sheldon to accept his feelings and how others interacted with those feelings. Beverly would compartmentalize because she didn't understand her emotions. She made herself detached to avoid any hurt on her part. But she wasn't blind that she was hurting her kids but as someone who doesn't understand others she never really knew how much. Sheldon doesn't think he is hurting his friends feelings when he acts or how badly he doesn't intend to hurt them he just doesn't know what will and what won't. Beverly is the same way. So while she might have actually enjoyed spending time with Leonard to protect herself she would call it research, she would view it as such because it keeps it at arms length.
2:06 Awww.
Till this moment he was looking away from her, seeming though he said the words but still harbored anger. The moment he hugs her back is when we can feel his resentment for her has over.
Sometimes it's difficult to forgive one's parent or parents because we are full of resentment 😭💔
Leonard is one of the best characters ever. The strength required to forgive is unimaginable
It's good to forgive. But that woman was absolutely toxic to Leonard for his entire life, and she never changed. After he left home, he should have never let her back into his life. She's an accomplished author in child psychology and knew exactly what Leonard needed in terms of emotional wellbeing. But she didn't give him that because she "simply had no interest" in putting in that effort. And she never had any remorse for it either. It would have been much healthier for him to forgive her while also distancing himself from her until she did show true remorse for her actions (or lack thereof).
Well, the final of the show was left pretty open ended so that could possibly be what ended up becoming of their relationship… Either this ended up giving them an opportunity to at least have a more civil relationship with her being more careful/thoughtful, which I don’t think Leonard would be entirely against now that he has his peace… or… She doesn’t change and he is civil, but now he’s finally doing something that he’s been needing to do for a very long time - setting boundaries and maintaining those boundaries.
When you're a mother, you'll understand
She knew but she does not have the capacity to actually IMPLEMENT it herself. Don't you get it? Beverly has a lot of disorders. Anti-Social probably. A lot of other psychological problems (ironically).
I can understand a bit since I hate socializing too. I KNOW HOW, but I do not have the capacity to do it. I rarely pick up on social cues and I only see my own well being. Even if I hurt others. When your belief contradicts what is drilled into you, it becomes a war within you. And most of the time, you choose to ignore what is taught.
Truth is, Beverly should have been reported to the DCFS the moment they discovered that she used Leonard for her "experiments". She was unfit to be his mother. She was the culprit in ruining Leonard's life yes but she is a victim too. Sheldon would have become like her if he did not have Mary. Or worse. Beverly was not so lucky in having her parents.
Trust me, this is realistic. You're never going to have that big fight moment when you tell everything you don't like about you're family, and they'll apologize to you. And if you do, it won't go as planned.
Everyone will always have flaws, more or less toxic, and you can't change that, no matter how munch rage you put in you're facedown with them. But someone can try to live with they're flaws.
So either you hate them forever, or you learn to live at peace with them and their flaws, with the hope that they'll to. Trust me, I've been through it, it may not sound like the big justice moment everyone wants, but it is the best thing for everyone.
@DaviRed_ That was really well said
Johnny is such an amazing actor
This was too quick. This should've have been a multi episode arc that built up to this point. Leonard's mother shouldn't have been reacting , she should've been ambiguously evolving until she reached this tipping point. Seems like producers have a habit of tying up loose ends because tge series was winding down and it felt rushed.
The build-up was every other season.
Leonard didnt want anything drawn out after this. he needed to let go, so he did.
the build up was leonards life
A build up would be an accumulation of incidents until the situation reached a critical mass. For example, say Leonard earned tenure on the show, and his mother barely reacted to it , that would've been something that raised Leonard 's blood pressure. The fact that Leonard 's mother was was going over his shoulder only conversing with sheldon should 've been a major bone of contention. As a matter of fact it should've been something that Leonard called out sheldon on that should've put a strain on their friendship. Instead we got flip flopping, one moment Leonard's mom would seem to realize the error of her ways and show some humanity, but a few episodes later she's back to being a cold hearted bitch. Simply having Leonard seemingly consigned to the fact that this is how his situation is always going to be and all of a sudden he has a meltdown in the last season just seems rushed. At very least it should've been a 2 parter just to deal with this. This was also a missed opportunity to build upon Sheldon's character, by having him realize that this is how he treats other people so he stands up for his friend.
1:03 That wasn't funny, the laughs were wrong in that one. It is actually the most meaningful line in the whole 12 seasons.
Give them a break, it's the only laugh they had since Leonard started talking to her
This is something that mothers need to learn.
I love how Penny immediately gets up and leaves.
So glad they didn't go for the laugh, there at the end.
too bad they didnt have Leonard disown her
Me too... Christine is a great actress but her character is just downright cruel
They were showing Leonard as the bigger person.
@danielcamacho1913 Bigger Person or doormat? We've seen these moments before where they seem to have progress in their relationship only for Beverly to go right back to disregarding Leonards feelings/accomplishments.
She behaves this way because 1) she doesn't really care how people feel and 2) she's always allowed to get away with it. Leonard had a chance to giver her real consequences that she deserved but he just gave up at the last second because he knew it would only serve to hurt himself.
Beverly was why Leonard could handle Sheldon so well.
I've watched this series soooo many times but somehow always missed this episode ( i watch it on tv like the jolly good ol' days), so i first watched this scene right now. Had to come here and rewatch it. Very nice ending for them ❤
Lets be honest , he only forgives her because is a comedy show , that woman is probably the worst mon ( or person ) in all tv shows
sorry for any mistakes (brasilian guy )
This scene made me teared up for leonard, I hate beverly so much, everytime she appeared, she made me hate sheldon even more.
Props to the cast and the writers for this scene.
fences mended, water under the bridge, problems swept under the rug
"I forgive you. Now get out of my apartment and my life."
that's right.
They showed Leonard as the bigger man here he didn't tell her to get out of his life
This is my first time seeing this scene, and even though I did not grow up in any way with this type of relationship with my mother or father. I felt immensely angry for him, even though it took HIS forgiveness for her to (drop her wall built from well known guilt i'm guessing she figured would shield her in case he went full World War III on her at some point to comfort what she knew would come ) to give him what he always not only wanted, but just deserved as a son a Mothers love is all he ever wanted. Its the greatest Shelter and Nourishment any child needs from a parent. Damaged children unhealed always become broken adults
I guess that's why her husband left her.
In fact, he just wanted to move forward on his path... He just learned to live with the wounds his mother gave him....Don't ask me how I know...
This scene just made the last 36 hours of binging BBT clips without ever watching the show.. very worth it.
Tbh, I feel like Mary deserved credit in this episode. Even though, she wasn't in it, I like to believe her being around Leonard over the years, her preaching about the Lord really took effect on him. One of the things that we learn from the bible is forgiveness and we don't make any progress with aggression and hatred in our heart. Nobody's perfect and despite Beverley actions towards Leonard, I like to believe that she did the best that she could as a parent. So this for sure was a heartwarming moment. I just wish Mary was in this episode.
It had nothing to do with bible. In fact, if mary put aside her bible and took good care of missy , it would had been so much btr for her.
I reckon it would have been better for the series if he forgave her and then said something along the lines of "but i cant see you for now, at least till your ready to love me for me" and then make up for it on the finale. Maybe thats just me.
Tears...
I cried that i couldn't breathe
Such a powerful moment.
Feeling self-righteous and entitled to resentment might feel good. But forgiveness is infinitely better. It might feel unfair for some, but trust me, we've all been unfair to people all our lives
grabs you right in the feels
Fuck that. This is forced no man will forgive whole life of torture. Leonard in reality would have humiliated her bad and sued her at the end to strip her of license and doctorate
what fantasy do you live in?
@ninjafrog6966 ah geez I don't know , reality maybe?
Which episode is this
Always makes me well up. ❤
When writers give the actors the opportunity to showcase their acting skills.
Kind of corny that there was a positive outcome since all things considered, Leonard had more than enough rights to walk away from his mother when he realized she was never actually a mother the entire time. But it's a sitcom and the series had a lot of situations that ended ridiculously instead of actuality. Best example of that is Sheldon messing with Leonard, Raj, and Howard's bitcoin venture just to get back at them because they didn't want him in on said venture. Leonard had every right to knock out a few of Sheldon's teeth at that.
I’ve always been under the impression that the authors wanted us to believe that Beverly loved her son, despite her countless Flaws as a mother. And there was some kind of development in that regard, like when she was so happy to see him getting married and approved Penny because she could see how the girl Made him happy. But they should have handled the ending better, it was way too rushed and that woman took a huge step back with that experiment shit. What a shame.
In the end I still like this though: he did it for himself, not for her. And it was the right thing, he deserved it. She didn’t.
(Possibly bad english, I apologize.)
Well, dammit. I’ve been watching light-hearted funny stuff this evening and now I’m wiping tears… I guess we all need to forgive our parents (or *someone* ) for their unintended hurtfulness, don’t we.
Still think that she is more suitable for being Sheldon's mother
Naw Sheldon got the mom he should have got. Leonard deserved a lot better parents tho.
@@chelsieabrahms3866 i think they should exchange moms 😅
@@Alessandro_Batistuda Didn’t Sheldon think that, too? 😂
@@danielcamacho1913 maybe, maybe not 🤔 I can't be sure, because he loves his mom
I think that was the point of their characters
My favorite moment in the whole series.
I can never do this
Beverly is an abusive narcissist.
It´s good that they showed how the most smart people are socially often very difficoult. I have met many people that were like this.
At some point you have to let go of the past and move on. You have to forgive people and forgive yourself. Moving forward you know who you can trust and who you need to keep at a distance.
This made cry🥹!!
You can only change yourself and that's what Leonard did. 💜
Anger is like a hot coal. The longer you hold on, the longer it burns.
Forgiveness is letting go, and suddenly, the pain goes away.
I still hold my coal and it burns me and I want it to light hope to see the ones I love in life
Except the laugh track, this was a beautiful scene to me
The best scene
Im not crying you're crying
I see only one adult in the room and its not the oldest one...
I wish they hadn’t thrown in the laughter when he said, “too bad”. But, maybe without it…. There was too much silence.
Leonard’s mother is sitting in Sheldon’s spot
never happens in real life though
Wow. The theme song doesn't play at the end? This must really mean something.
I don't get the commentors who think this is a good outcome for Leonard and Beverly. She has spent his entire life actively ignoring or discouraging his accomplishments and has even mocked him for wanting his mother's affection/approval.
Yes, Leonard needs to accept that she will not change. That doesn't mean he needs to continue to be a doormat to someone who makes it a point to be a negative aspect of his life. And if he has kids? You can guarantee Beverly will crap all over them the way she did him whatever chance she got.
This resolution was so rushed and just another time Leonard is rolling over for his mom treating him badly.
It goes like this
Leonard just understood values
One of them is the most important
Obvious-take nothing for granted
Which means-stop being a baby and value yer mother/father cos
FAMILY IS THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL
thats y hes mother is a wonderful human being
That just after a long long time
Leonard happans to be aweare of that
2nd: Re George in Young Sheldon - Hey TBBT channel why don't you upload AN EDITED version of the scene with Penny & Sheldon eliminating or rewriting the scene that was RETCONNED.
hahahaha lol it's totally a retcon this is exactly the solution i had in mind except i couldn't think of how it was a retcon. COME ON how is this not a retcon?
the writers should've owned up and said 'pretend the scene with penny never happened and now we're doing a new thing'
Sheldon even had that catholic confession thing w/ Tam over something not as big as adultery. And you think Sheldon would keep quiet over adultery??!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA the writers should rewrite that scene with sheldon & penny.
What they could've done is say 'hey we changed our minds. Actually it makes more sense Sheldon's dad isn't a neglectful drunk. Sheldon's dad's support is a big part of why Sheldon is so successful. We'll rewrite TBBT scenes later. Bear with us please.'
Better than a RETCON.
His mother is very much like Sheldon with her emotional intelligence. She may not mean to do something, but she will still do it with how she acts. The reason he handles Sheldon so well is that she grew up with the female version of him.
It always bothered me that Beverly and Sheldon were consistently terrible people in the show (and people just tolerate or even cater to it) and they just say "I see what I did wrong and I'm sorry" then all is forgiven because it's the final Episode, not saying the show should've been longer to see growth but the show should've shown that growth leading up to it and not just leave it like that.
I honestly wish Leonard hadn't forgiven his mother. Beverly didn't deserve it. Forgiving isn't always easy nor mandatory
Empathy is valuable.
Hate is emotional rust that kills from the inside out.
forgiven is about...let it go. For your own mental health
@@pouetpouetdaddy5 If somebody did something really awful to me like killing somebody from my family I'd never forgive the person. I'm pretty sure nobody would want to forgive a person for killing their loved ones
@@AndrewBlacker-t1d I honestly hate Woody Allen for things he apparently did to his adoptive daughter but I don't go around thinking about him the whole day. I honestly hope I never meet him in person. I usually don't believe abuse allegations against celebrities but his adoptive daughter was 7 years old when she apparently was abused and I honestly don't think a 7 year old would lie about that to ruin a person's life
@@matiaspereira9382 Way to go to an extreme just to support your point lol.
Christine Jane Baranski (Búfalo, Nueva York; 02 de mayo de 1952) es una actriz estadounidense.
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ROLE OF MOTHER OF LEONARD.