Trimaran Test Sail - Neel 51 - Distant Shores | EP 205
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- Test sailing a Neel 51 Catamaran on a windy day in the Caribbean Sea off Panama. James & Eva take us out for the morning of exciting sailing to see what trimarans are all about. Back in port we get James thoughts on his boat after many thousands of sea miles.
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00:00 Introduction
00:44 Trimaran leaving the dock
03:09 Raising the square top mainsail
04:41 Neel 51 cabin tour belowdecks
05:45 Stability of trimaran sailing fast
07:49 Technical Room tour
11:33 Engine room tour
13:24 Neel 51 James Review after thousands of miles
Equipment:
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BRNKL Yacht Security & Monitoring: www.brnkl.io/
Brunton’s Propellers: www.bruntonspropellers.com/
Elvstrøm Sails: elvstromsails.com
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Lewmar: www.lewmar.com/
Raymarine: www.raymarine.com/
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Navionics Charts: www.navionics.com/
GN Espace Ocean Chef: www.gn-espace.com
Highfield Classic Inflatable: www.highfieldboats.com
Integrel On-Engine Generator: www.integrelmarine.com/
MG Energy Systems (lithium batteries): www.mgenergysystems.eu/
Ultra Anchor (35 kg): www.ultramarine-anchors.com/
Oceanskies Yacht Registration: www.oceanskies.com/yachts/
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Thank you for watching!
Sheryl and Paul
It was an honour and pleasure to have you both on board. Let's do it again as soon as possible and get some larger miles in this time!
Thanks SO MUCH James & Eva for your kind hospitality and the opportunity to show your lovely boat! We look forward to getting together again soon. XO Sheryl & Paul
@@DistantShoresTV Hi guys I am from Montreal living in Beijing. I am very very interested Paul to hear your analysis of the boat. I watched the whole video and just kept waiting. What did you like and what maybe does not suit you as well. I do really like James Neel 51 and I read all I can on his thoughts as he is so knowledgeable. Thank you both for the Video. Excellent job.
The engine room on the Neel 51 is pretty much the greatest thing I've seen on a boat that is short of a megayacht. I really like the boat.
It's a lovely boat but its running costs will be similar to those of a mega yacht, especially at the marina.
Brilliant craft! Thank you for the tour guys!
super impressed with:
1. the deck-level bedroom, massive galley and saloon
2. the gargantuan utility and engine rooms!!!
I think the galley is a bit too large, which is not a criticism one often hears about sailing vessels. Neel reduced the galley slightly in the Neel 52 making more room in the saloon.
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It was great to see you with Rick and Maddie when they came into Shelter Bay.
This is a beautiful boat. Thanks for the introduction.
James is top shelf people!
He`s extremely knowledgeable about all aspects of sailing.
About freaking time!🙂👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for sharing. Great video as usual.
Cheers,
Jay
Thanks for posting and sharing. Very interesting to see the Neel.
Amazing boat and wonderful video! Thank you!!
Your channel is really top notch! I am really happy to have found it on TH-cam
Nice tour, thanks!
Excellent, thank you!
Lovely boat!
Never thought a Tri would be interesting!
Cheers
What a beautiful boat my friend. Very impressive
Great video on the Tri! Nick & I really enjoyed it! Hope you both are doing well .
Thank you for the video I am completely afraid of the ocean but the more I watch the sailing videos the more I yearn to go sailing
I am excited for SV LaVagabonde's 60' Rapido Trimiran. Thank you, James and Eva, for the tour, sail, and technical review. This is a very interesting episode. Thanks!
Just looked up the Rapido. Hmmmm. It's a monohull with pontoons! : - )
Having watched La Kardashians for few years, just mentioning them puts me off any sailing videos all together
@@AlvyTaug no sailing, just bullshit for clicks.
@@AlvyTaug To each their own. Live and let live. No need to call names. Cheers mate.
@@scyz2807 As Rilley's friend said, "It's got more mirans." 🤣
Wow; really looks like the beat of both worlds
Intersting boat and a pleasant skipper, thank you all for the tour. Over the life of the batteries lithium works out cheaper as they last much longer.
The engine room is hard to beat
Very interesting and quality as always
I recognized the German Shepard right off the bat!
Best review if this boat thanks to everyone involved 👍👍
Much appreciated!
Really nice! I´m also planning to build a trimaran, great to see this one!
Beautiful Vessel!! That would be a treat to sail!
It really is Robert!
Awesome 😎👍
Thanks for sharing
👍. Love the boat.
WoW What a nice trimaran!
Awesome video! Beautiful boat!
Glad we got to see Eva.
Welcome back!
❤❤❤ its an honor to listen to u. Was thinking of buying 1. Cheers from Squamish BC
Nice to hear from you.
Hey, thanks Tom :-)
Wow that was incredible.. The boat and sailing stuff was also good.. ;)
I'm in love great looking boat
Really great video!
would love to see more of this trimaran crossing oceans...great documentary on this beautiful Neal 51 !
Looking at their videos, they did cross the Atlantic at some point. I haven't watched them yet, though.
Edit: you might want to watch this: th-cam.com/video/Vvw1y7elfbo/w-d-xo.html
Check out Igor stropnik channel
Very good test.
Lol at the cameraman! You have some issues, I love it...
@1:30 This is the Crews ass facing starboard
@1:45 This is the Crews ass facing Forward
@2:35 This is the Crews ass walking to Port...
It just happened to take up a lot of space..
I want to thank the cameraman for the great shots of Eva.
lol, quite steadily mixed in there at opportune moments for sure😂
super nice informed guy.
Cheers.
My friend's Dad built a Tri hull the "Tevake" they sailed it up from NZ all over the Pacific twice ....he grew up on that boat... some amazing stories.... once his Dad fell overboard in heavy seas... the my friend was just a boy... shimmy up the airfoil of a mast for a better view and finally found his dad after a half hour oh shit....At kagoshima the local radio did a story on them... people gave them loads of "mikan " a kind of local tangerine....hmmm must have been Novemberish... but yeah stunning tri hull there you guys ... I burn with envy..... ; )
This is great... Ive been wanting to see someone sail this boat.
Glad you enjoyed this video, Oscar!
I see your still in Panama with the SSL crew great sail ! Beautiful vessel
Beautiful stern 1:30 and great camera work as well.
I would literally give a kidney to have a Neel 51. Its my ultimate boat and I have been following Carryonsailing for a couple of years now.
Sorry but a kidney doesn't seem much of a sacrifice to me!
Not until you need one. 👍👍👍
I dont think your kidney worth that much
@@vaidotasratkus7619 If you needed it to stay alive what would it be worth then?
How many replies can we get on the topic of kidney importance lol.
very well done .. keep on Sailing... once we will meet . wbrgs ToM Skipper SV MANDY
Nice
Oh yes, very good video, thank you
Good grief. That is gorgeous! My monohull is tiny by comparison.
On that huge size, the third pontoon makes it more structurally rigid, won't wreck like zingaro. Instead of thrusters, somebody should start thinking about rotating electric pods, one aft and one at the bow in the middle pontoon, also working as electric regen when sailing under wind... nice harbor steering. Great video guys, thanks!!!!
Wouldnt they suffer from being ripped off as previously mentioned as well though?
Wow that's one awesome vessel. Also I wonder what kind of watch he is wearing I like it.
I bet Neel Company sells more boats based just on this video. Great boat.
How are the bulk heads compared to a lagoon 45 that has major issues, French built too?
Lovely boat and great video.
Replace the diesel with electric and have a folding/regen prop on the sail?
It can be done, but why? You must weight the pros of going electric against the cons, depending on the use of the boat that you plan to have. If you use the engine only to go into and outside the dock electric is fine, if you plan to use it while there is little wind or going upwind even a huge liion battery will give you very short range. The more a sailing vessel uses the wind as engine the more it is green and environment friendly, and going full electric makes very little difference in it, but not all the people can rely on wind only, if you live aboard all year and don't have to make the best from the short time your normal life let you go sailing it is probably a good choice, sailing Uma is a perfect example of it, but if you have to be in port next Sunday cause next Monday you have to be back at work and there is no wind or you even with an electric engine you have to use the diesel generator to feed it. For the other uses of electricity outside propulsion there are water generators that are much cheaper then a full electric conversion, you can install a lot of solar panels and even use wind generators, and you will be fine, unless you plan to use air conditioning, again it is the sailor's style of sailing that matters, even without electric propulsion a sailing vessel can be very environment friendly, but with a different living style even a electricity propelled vessel can be not so much environment friendly, as it will resort on the diesel generator to cool the air in the tropics and to cruise when there is no/ little wind.
i Noticed the camera loitering around the beauty spots ;)
Most American's know what a Tardis is as well.... as I would guess many other do too. Dr. Who has been around for many years, love that show.
I'm shocked that you think the majority of Americans know what a tardis is. Lunacy
i respect the opinion of the Shard’s period .🦉
It's important to note that trimerans are between cats and monos but can vary wildly between.
The one in this video is way closer a cat due to the size of the outter hulls compared to the center hull.
Weight really isn't as much of a issue on like it is on a cat depending on how yours is set up, the tris that are closer to a monohull of course act more like a monohull for weight.
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Fajne. Zobaczcie jak Polska rodzina fajnie trimarana zrobiła sobie do życia . W kanale - Sail Oceans jachtem przez Świat.
Anyone know what the hull build quality is like on the Neels? I hear mixed things about them, but for layout, comfort, speed and access to manage your systems. Not sure any of the production catamarans can beat it. Of course my opinion is all based upon watching youtube reviews.
So, does distant shores consider sailing a trimaran ?
Nice boat, but I think technical development is more visible in the catamaran market due to the huge demand. For a couple of your status, I'd consider a Garcia explorer cat in aluminium. Built like a tank and can handle anything.
And can also sink like a tank with any water ingress!
Yup, that's true. While composite cat's can stay afloat upside down, alu/steel cat's sink!
Am sure DS knows better... ;)
@@stormtrooper9404 Sorry, the Garcia cat has watertight bulkheads and saloon door so it's rather safe. Whereas if you collide with a container in a plastic cat at 20 knots...
Is the build quality better now?
1.8m draft?
That's just thrown a tri's key advantage out the window.
Thx. for the video. For a person like me who is totally new to sailing but fascinated by the idea of sailing around the world, how long do you think it will take to learn a boat like Neel51 ?
How is the sailing going? Have you been getting out on the water?
@@yourenotwrong3511 Right now where I am living, there is not much water here. So, I will be moving out in a couple of years nearer to a place where i have easier access to water.
PS: i am hoping when i am ready to buy a boat, there would be more electric options available.
Is there an upper age limit for a captain and crew to be on a yacht?
Very nice boat. What do you think about the 65 ?
Would love to have one myself, dream boat.
Has anyone looked at running small motor/hydrogenators at the back of the ama for close maneuvering and power generation underway?
SailOceans was looking at electric motors in the stern of each ama for their Neel 50. Not sure if they are ever going to do it. Would be a complex installation and might not be worth the cost or added weight.
Why not a saildrive on an exploration sailboat? Some yachts, like Allures, have a shallow keel aft of the centerboard to protect it.
I'm interested in the comment regarding running the AC without a generator, or did I get that wrong? I'm trying to decide at the moment whether or not to replace my GENSET or do something different with the money and space.
It's called "Integrel" Nigel Calder designed it
@@geniexmay562 Thanks! Really interesting concept and technology, but it looks like a quick estimate for my boat would be around $45,000! That's 3 brand new 6KW GENSETS. Kind of like lithium batteries when they first came out, have to let prices settle down a few years.....
@@svZia-Switch51 Balance Catamarans have an option to install it from new and distant shores have been trialling the system.
Can this survive on big waves....
If it wasn't for the draft. I just don't get why they do not offer some sort centre or dagger board.
There have been quality issues highlighted with these boats, maybe sorted now but Ruby Rose tested I think the 47 and weren’t that impressed. Which is a shame as I really like the layout.
I could be wrong, but I believe at the time the Ruby Rose video hit, there were people that explained that the 51 didn't have the same issues as the 47 (for some reason).
@@jenniferlawrence1372 it's still the same workmanship no matter what model.. why don't people know that. Neel should have never let that boat go to a show in that condition. Very poor craftsmanship. Nice boat but poorly built.
@@walterwinn2842 You are probably right about not letting the boat go to the show. However, I find the quality excellent, especially for the price.
@@jenniferlawrence1372 That may well be true as the 51 has been around while the 47 was a new model potentially with the teething troubles that often accompany such.
@@carryonsailing Great to hear, the design is excellent. I am very envious of your technical room and engine room, the space on my monohull is like a cupboard in comparison :)
The few CarryOn Sailing videos that James has made are really informative and inspiring. He puts the Neel 51 at or near the top of my list.
I think his comment about shaft drive is really important. One way of looking at sail drives is they are levers in one of the most awkward places that can tear a huge hole in your hull. They are economical and easy - until the boat goes in the water. How difficult would it be to retrofit a shaft drive? Might make an interesting video.
Glad you found it useful! We have always had shaft drive with Aquadrive unit which we love ❤️. Refitting a shaft might be quite difficult unless the hull design permits it. You’d need a new gearbox and hull length to permit the straight out config.
Hi again, I remember your intelligent username and comments on my channel. I don't think it would be possible with the Neel 51, but if you were to build one. Try your best to get the latest Yanmar engine instead of the Volvo. It deals with the issue well. You can extract all the oil from the sail drive without hauling out.
@@DistantShoresTV or a V-drive. My prop shaft and propeller are directly under my engine.
This was/is some boat! I would almost call it perfect. The only thing I see as a negative (unless someone gives me $5 million) is its price tag. Just looked it up and it's only around 1 mill. 8 - 0
Is there a veresion that has hydofoils like spindrift2?
There is a person who built a hydrofoiling trimeran th-cam.com/video/N3Bo78ZbAzY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=CX9AAndSyazgbeGd
Why isn't it Solar???🌈
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Its an astrodome on stilts
Are they still looking for Mr Piver . Trimaran sailing is like riding a horse the load up and then unload. Going fast is great until the great stop into a hole in the ocean. Good luck with the stop the boat stops and you keep going right into a hard surface..Many Thousand sea miles and it is never what you planned for.
“Trimarans point better to windward than catamarans”. No, they dont! It’s a very normal misunderstanding, but still, there’s absolutely nothing to support this. It’s all about what priorities have been governing the design of each boat. The Neels have a wee bit more performance oriented choices, especially in the rig, than the normal cruising cats today, which are mostly pure motor sailors, very little or no focus on performance. Also, most owners tend to mindlessly load them to the rim, which will kill whatever was of performance.
Windward pointing ability is decided by total efficiency of the boat and rig. Multis get much more power from their rig due to the higher stability compared with monos. On the other hand, cruising multis have two hulls in the water and a lot more windage all over. The windage and water drag are pointing killers. Since multis have extremely narrow hulls, compared to length, they can much easier get to higher speed. They generate a much lower wave and don’t need to “plane” to pass the “hull speed”. This means that multis normally will increase their VMG, (advancement straight to windward) by pointing a bit lower. Especially with medium to strong wind, well sailed multis, even cruising cats, will normally dramatically outperform similar size and type monos to windward. That’s because the rig power and hull speed benefits become more dominant than the extra drag. Pure racing multis, also cats, will outperform pure racing monohulls upwind also in quite light wind, but not in drifting conditions. An extreme racing cat can even point higher than a similar mono a the same speed, if tactically needed, but it’s faster to drop say 10 degrees to double or triple the speed. Extreme racers are always max efficient. No waste of energy.
I’ve sailed lots of pure racing multihulls of all types the last 30 years, both cats and tris (and monos). Extreme racing tris are a bit easier to handle than similar cats, as the tri has a more gradual reaction at power up, while the cat will suddenly lift the windward hull and be more erratic. Also it’s easier to keep a tight rig on a tri, since it has a hull in the middle to take the massive loads. Which is also explaining why it’s easier to make a tri wider, giving it more righting moment, more power. Those three are the main reasons why we see a preference for tris among big multis. In cruising, where the windward hull should never leave the water and rig power is decided from safety and handling parameters, none of those reasons are even slightly relevant.
omg she is really cute
Not a word on performance, boatspeed vs TWS, tacking angle, etc. why not?
She does just under windspeed, so with 10kts wind expect about 9kts boat speed as a rough estimate.
AGM batteries in a brand new boat? Why?
Sweetest cruising trimaran I’ve seen. Just wondering why a single guy needed one that large?
She got the house. He got the boat, lol!
Cuz he can...
The mind boggles! Lol
A man has to have props, it's necessities of the game.
If I could afford one I`d take the Neel 65 even if I was alone. Some people need their space.
Neel's are brilliantly designed by let down by the finish. I've sailed in one and looked around several at shows and of all the multihulls I saw, Neels had the worse finish.
You are not the only person to say that. It seems little has been done to improve the fit and finish.
The description of the video says "Test sailing a Neel 51 Catamaran" .....and then showing a trimaran in the video. Catamaran are - as far as I know - 2 hull vessels. But further down in the description they suddenly call it a trimaran (a 3 hull vessel - as it really is). Is that what one can call being a bit confused...???
Wouldn't a catamaran go just as fast if it had the same weight and width? The trimaran only has two of its hulls in the water at the time anyway when going fast...
Wish I had the 1+ million dollars to afford a vessel like this. Absolutely an awesome boat.
Skipper: I cannot understand what happened. I moored at this strange looking buoy yesterday evening and today it is gone! Submarine captain **face palm**
Blimey that's bigger than my apartment
Agreed, especially when you include the 3 cabins in the 2 amas and centre hull.
You should see the Neel 65..
2:50 is that your boat, or coincidence?
What profession were or are you in to be able to afford something so beautiful..
No daggaboards mean it will drift sidwards a lot
has a keel and the amas? outer floats act as keels also.
@@carryonsailing Nice, but do you get a lot of drift when sailing? More than a Cat? or is it the same? In a Cat you do get a lot of drift unless you have daggerboards or a deep keel. I imagine with the bigger center hull it should be similar to a standard deep hull cat.
@@latitudeash There would be less leeway than a dagger-board cat. Paul, explains the upwind performance is similar to that of a monohull. Hope this helps.
@@carryonsailing Wow, so you get the best of a monohull and the best of a cat? Thats a win win in my book. Does it rock and bounce like a mono? The cats are very flat unless you find large waves. I think the video said the same as a cat?
@@latitudeash as Paul says. Feels like a cat. Have a sail in one!
I like this boat A LOT, but it seems cheap, crude or inadequate in some fashion to have a braided nylon(?) line running from the wheel to the quadrant. I am, not an expert but it seems like it would be sloppy, imprecise and otherwise inadequate for precision steering. Wouldn't steel cable be better?
Steering felt pretty good on our test sail. I suspect it’s super low stretch dyneema
@@DistantShoresTV Indeed it is Paul, it's dyneema.
@@DistantShoresTV OK then. I value your expertise.
Am I driving a tennis court?