On your dashboard, switch display to Oil Temp screen. Set the jeep to E-Save so it will run primarily on gas. Drive until the oil temp reaches 170 degrees F. Park your car in your driveway, switch to hybrid mode and let it idle for around 15-20 min. Temp should rise to around 200+ degrees and then eventually satisfy FORM. Message will go away and the car will switch to electric idle (quiet) on its own. I know this sounds absurd, but it is not a bad as it sounds. Getting to 170 degrees will take around 5 minutes. Go inside and have a cup of coffee when it is idling in the driveway. By the time you finish your cup, your are rid of FORM … Worked for me several times.
I would buy it again. Mine was an early 2021 so it pretty much has had all of the recalls and issues. Once they were identified and corrected, our 4xe works great. The 2024's have the all of the fixes and firmware updates built right into them so that should reduce the changes you are going to have a major issue. Chris and this channel made my 4xe journey through all of the issues survivable. So make sure to visit often to get the heads up on new issues and hopefully more fun stuff.
I watched one of your other videos and followed your recommendation and it eventually went out of FORM! Thanks for updating/educating us on all 4Xe info!
Thanks for the good info. No form issues here. I can still squeeze out 23..24 miles in electric doing around 40 mph stop and go traffic. Taking it in this Thursday for the 95B recall. Hope it fails so i can get a new battery.😊
I have a wrangler that's not a 4xe and the start stop had stopped working for several months and then suddenly started working could that be a form issue even though it's not a 4xe and it's a normal thing
FORM has been very annoying for the last few months. Leading me to believe that something is wrong with the jeep computer or sensors. Dealership claims everything is normal but I will be in form for a week, then out of it for two days or less, then back to form for a real long time. Killing the great fuel economy I was getting. Guess it's a winter thing we have to deal with
There are a LOT of variables that make it difficult to see the logic of it. Plus, I'm pretty convinced there are variables between vehicles. I have no explanation for it other than observations and lots of conversations with people.
I'm now even more confused. Since you've been driving without charging until just recently, how is it possible to enter FORM when the oil has been warmed every time you drove it? My 4xe races to FORM if I charge every time I have the option. My commute takes me right to the end of a charge while running the gas engine about 5 miles in the middle to climb a steep hill(the hill isn't 5 miles, but i run the engine that long to warm it up). I have no other way around it since I can't make the hill at 55-60 in full electric(without the gas kicking in) or if I could, my battery would be depleted about 4-5 miles short of my destination. My oil catch can is full of watery gas at 1000 miles and I enter FORM about once every two weeks during winter months. Oil level on the stick keeps rising so I chance my oil every 3000 miles so far. I was thinking about only charging 1 way on my commute, but now you are getting FORM when you drove for months without charging. This vehicle wasn't thought out properly. With the Direct Inject engine I mean.
It's the short engine runs. Especially during the cold. Driving around in city like traffic with a lot of short engine runs causes the FORM software to think the oil is diluted...which it may very well be.
We just bought a 2024 Willys 4xe in Nov. and have < 2000 miles on it. I see you have 62858 miles on yours, any idiosyncrasies we should know about? Ours is not on any recall lists and so far we love it. Would you buy it again?
I’d buy it again. If you want to know the history of issues I’ve had, it’s been interesting. Bad ECH, bad coolant pump A twice. Had a leaky axle that had to be replaced. Got a new hybrid battery over the summer. A whole bunch of recalls along the way. But, I would still buy it again.
Get ready for a new transmission and recall batch notice. These have lots of problems. I turned my into the dealer and am going through a lemon law lawyer due to the recall.
The Jeeps sense themselves all the time so the vehilce is putting itself into fuel refresh mode because the vehicle is wanting you to run the gas engine. Like you said stagnant fuel
I believe this vehicle is designed to run the gas engine more than 50% of the travel time or less than 20 in town miles each trip. In that case I have a more efficient vehicle in my garage I can drive than this one.
On your dashboard, switch display to Oil Temp screen. Set the jeep to E-Save so it will run primarily on gas. Drive until the oil temp reaches 170 degrees F. Park your car in your driveway, switch to hybrid mode and let it idle for around 15-20 min. Temp should rise to around 200+ degrees and then eventually satisfy FORM. Message will go away and the car will switch to electric idle (quiet) on its own. I know this sounds absurd, but it is not a bad as it sounds. Getting to 170 degrees will take around 5 minutes. Go inside and have a cup of coffee when it is idling in the driveway. By the time you finish your cup, your are rid of FORM … Worked for me several times.
@@JoJo-ks5lb Yep. This exactly.
I would buy it again. Mine was an early 2021 so it pretty much has had all of the recalls and issues. Once they were identified and corrected, our 4xe works great.
The 2024's have the all of the fixes and firmware updates built right into them so that should reduce the changes you are going to have a major issue. Chris and this channel made my 4xe journey through all of the issues survivable. So make sure to visit often to get the heads up on new issues and hopefully more fun stuff.
I watched one of your other videos and followed your recommendation and it eventually went out of FORM! Thanks for updating/educating us on all 4Xe info!
Thanks for the good info. No form issues here. I can still squeeze out 23..24 miles in electric doing around 40 mph stop and go traffic. Taking it in this Thursday for the 95B recall. Hope it fails so i can get a new battery.😊
I have a wrangler that's not a 4xe and the start stop had stopped working for several months and then suddenly started working could that be a form issue even though it's not a 4xe and it's a normal thing
@@randytorboli That’s a good question. I have no idea.
@Wrangler4XEFans me either
FORM has been very annoying for the last few months. Leading me to believe that something is wrong with the jeep computer or sensors. Dealership claims everything is normal but I will be in form for a week, then out of it for two days or less, then back to form for a real long time. Killing the great fuel economy I was getting. Guess it's a winter thing we have to deal with
There are a LOT of variables that make it difficult to see the logic of it. Plus, I'm pretty convinced there are variables between vehicles. I have no explanation for it other than observations and lots of conversations with people.
I'm now even more confused. Since you've been driving without charging until just recently, how is it possible to enter FORM when the oil has been warmed every time you drove it? My 4xe races to FORM if I charge every time I have the option. My commute takes me right to the end of a charge while running the gas engine about 5 miles in the middle to climb a steep hill(the hill isn't 5 miles, but i run the engine that long to warm it up). I have no other way around it since I can't make the hill at 55-60 in full electric(without the gas kicking in) or if I could, my battery would be depleted about 4-5 miles short of my destination. My oil catch can is full of watery gas at 1000 miles and I enter FORM about once every two weeks during winter months. Oil level on the stick keeps rising so I chance my oil every 3000 miles so far. I was thinking about only charging 1 way on my commute, but now you are getting FORM when you drove for months without charging. This vehicle wasn't thought out properly. With the Direct Inject engine I mean.
It's the short engine runs. Especially during the cold. Driving around in city like traffic with a lot of short engine runs causes the FORM software to think the oil is diluted...which it may very well be.
My newest V6 no more FORM 😀
I just got out of FORM yesterday for the 5th time this winter.
Thank you for the heads up. Do you always run yours in 4Hi Auto? I know that gives ya a bit more "umph".....
@@dbldare I go back and forth. No real rhyme or reason but I always put it in 4 hi auto when it’s wet or snowy.
We just bought a 2024 Willys 4xe in Nov. and have < 2000 miles on it. I see you have 62858 miles on yours, any idiosyncrasies we should know about? Ours is not on any recall lists and so far we love it. Would you buy it again?
I’d buy it again. If you want to know the history of issues I’ve had, it’s been interesting. Bad ECH, bad coolant pump A twice. Had a leaky axle that had to be replaced. Got a new hybrid battery over the summer. A whole bunch of recalls along the way. But, I would still buy it again.
Get ready for a new transmission and recall batch notice. These have lots of problems. I turned my into the dealer and am going through a lemon law lawyer due to the recall.
@@Wrangler4XEFans
Wow, that’s a lot and you would still buy it again. Were all the repairs covered under the warranty?
@@skydouglas996 Yes. Everything covered under warranty. I have documented everything on this channel if you have the time to look.
@@snootyfox.indahouse Fortunately, transmission issues haven’t been a trend.
The Jeeps sense themselves all the time so the vehilce is putting itself into fuel refresh mode because the vehicle is wanting you to run the gas engine. Like you said stagnant fuel
I believe this vehicle is designed to run the gas engine more than 50% of the travel time or less than 20 in town miles each trip. In that case I have a more efficient vehicle in my garage I can drive than this one.
@ lol 😂 you are not correct
In my case, that's not correct. The gas tank timer is 90 days. I wasn't charging it due to the recall so I was filling up every couple weeks.
Still 24 miles with 99% if it would not be in FORM
@@Monty4xe Yeah. At these temps, that’s pretty awesome. But, that’s just an estimate. If I actually get that range is a different story.
Hybrid is the vehicles default mode if anything is going on.
Our ‘23 has never seen FORM, and has been in electric for most of its miles.