She’s so obsessed with Jim and trying to save him and I hate how the best of everything and how she can learn a language quickly or learn magic much quicker than other wizards also I would have loved to see the consequences for her recklessness she cared more about saving Jim and she got Merlin kilowatt and she didn’t get scolded for her recklessness Also I would have loved to see like they could enter into Remote lol you could’ve finished with Audra story in the beginning the first season and then having her brother and Toby and aargh are having their own missions
I already thought that Wizards was the weakest show of the three, but I never noticed how much it ruined Claire, as I was more focused on how they ruined Steve and the overall worldbuilding. So, great video! I agree with you!
Absolutely, I heard there was some issues with Wizards behind the scenes (mostly budget and I’m assuming time as well as other things) but still not an excuse for how honestly sloppy Wizards was…. Like? How is Angor Rot already in the Black Sea when he shouldn’t even BE there yet!! He’s supposed to be there after Gunmar ravages his village and hurts his people and he goes to Morgana for help! Also, Morgana AND Gunmar are locked away before we see that so it honestly confuses me more. And Clair suddenly trusting/learning magic from Morgana feels rushed (same with Morgana’s redemption considering all the actually abuse and torment she causes for everyone but especially Clair and Angor Rot that she never apologized for “we had fun” is what she said to Clair) In short: very much agreed with you on how it messed up the Workd Building (I do like what Wizards could have been had it been able to be done as intended, but what we got isn’t it) Edit: sorry for the rant, I just don’t see a lot of people talking about the world building of wizards and it’s nice to see someone who gets it lol 😂
@@InkyDolly Also, I initially watched the french dub of Wizards, which has a bunch of extra issues due to the poor translations. (A shame because the voice actors are doing a great job) Now that I rewatched the whole Arcadia series in the original english version, here are my scores: Trollhunters: 9/10 3Below: 9/10 Wizards: 6/10 (It initially was a 4/10) Rise of the titans: 7/10
@@havalax413 oof 😓 yeah that’s always an issue with languages and translations but I’m sorry to hear it wasn’t translated the best (I watched the English version and sadly don’t know any other languages so idk how faithful the translations are but I know it sucks when a show isn’t translated well) Also very generous ratings for Wizards and Rise of the Titans lol 😂 (not judging btw, I’m just not a big fan of them given how they were handled) Trollhunters: 9/10 3Below: 8/10 (on its own) 6/10 (when partnered with Tales of Arcadia, sorry I just think the si-fi elements of 3Below would have been better separate from the magic of Trollhunters though that’s just me) Wizards: 4/10 ROT: 2/10 (the movie could’ve been WAY better in my opinion)
@@InkyDolly 3Below is my favorite because it uses the trollhunters characters to enhance the story in small ways. Since Wizards and ROTT barely use the aliens characters anyway, I'm happy to view it as its own thing.
@ fair to me the Trollhunters characters aren’t in it enough for me to really make it fully tie 3Below into Trollhunters for me until the very end but it IS good and I don’t mind it as a part of Tales of Arcadia And honestly I feel the reason ROT and Wizards didn’t use the Aliens as much was due to budget and not knowing what to do with them…. 😑
When I finished trollhunters I was desperate to atleast see more of the world so I watch Wizards and honestly I dont really like it that much but it's alright as it's own thing( i guess) as there was so many plotholes that I was confused(I was really looking forward on how Morgana made the Changelings! but nope)
@@NickName-be3li. First off, tell her(Swift) about better with bob and jlongbone! Secondly;What you expect? Same guy doomed percy jackson and green lantern.
Also I would have loved to seen the wizard Council and the rules that they have in place I would’ve love to see more different creatures and I would have loved that Claire And Jim and the others learning a lesson
Also, I never took Douxie's and Claire's interactions as "pseudo-romantic". I saw it as a healthy platonic guy/girl relationship where they were allowed to be comfortable with each other. They help and support each other like real friends should. I actually applaud Tales of Arcadia for this instead of going down the cliché love triangle route.
i Agree i never got this for them i feel Like it taken scenes way too Seriously . i don't think that Claire and Douxie even hugged each other Douxie doesn't Seems to be interested in Claire nor That Claire Seems to be interested in Douxie outside for the Night Patrol ep which nothing more then a Small Crush. no offense to anyone but people take Scenes way too Seriously and it's Kinda annoying Sometimes ngl.
So did y'all forget about Deya? I get being mad at the "sexist writing" but pretending only the boys got fight scenes when Bellroc (who was referred to as a she at the time) and Deya (whose arc was all about rising up to become a leader to the trolls and even fought Gunmar) got a piece of the action is crazy. Of course, it's not my place to get involved in these discussions nor should I tell you how a woman should be written but I do agree that they could've done better with Claire in Wizards (everyone could've had a bit more time to cook). I don't exactly think she was ruined but more so had to have her screen time rushed or cut down for the sake of the plot and thus could only keep her "essential" scenes (which obviously cut out a lot of her other core character traits which is an L, but I gotta say it how it is). I also don't think it was sexist for Douxie to help her with magic. Yes, Claire taught herself which is impressive in it of itself but Douxie (even training wheels drop out Douxie) would still have a better handling of the basics than her. The rest of the complaints are fair enough though so I'm not gonna get into that.
the only Comment i can agree with. Yeah Claire wasn't explored and She Could've a lot of Scenes with Morgana. She was just underdeveloped at Most. i didn't mind her Arc of Saving Jim tho but i do think that if Wizards was Longer We could've gotten So much for everybody.
@@erikbihari3625 Actually, my previous video 'why the side villains are better' has a lengthy focus on Nomura and her many layers :) This particular video is about Claire, and also about Wizards- which Nomura dosen't appear in.
Warning: long comment, a bit rambley and rant-y but it stays on topic I love your Trollhunters videos and if you read this, I hope to see more cause this show/series needs to be talked about more (haven’t seen many talking about this show) Not gonna lie, Claire never really was my favourite character (that honour goes to Angor Rot, Strickler, Barbara, Blinky, Aaarrgghh!, etc.) simply because for the first part we don’t know her that well (as she’s not brought into the main cast yet) then when we do she’s just…. OBSESSED with getting her baby brother back -as a sibling I get wanting to do anything for your younger sibling BUT Claire wants to get him back when she KNOWS he’s not in any immediate danger and without a real plan for how to navigate the Darklands and not release Gunmar! If I were in Clair’s shoes while I’d do anything to save my sibling I’d also try not to damn the world in the process! “My sibling is in the Darklands, that’s bad… BUT they aren’t in any danger, and I need to make a plan so I and my friends can get out safely and so we don’t release a troll warlord” That and once she gets the shadow staff she kinda acts a bit entitled like…. Yeah you got a magic staff…. But you’re new to this Claire… maybe learn how to use your magic skills and stop picking a fight with Toby (who’s been with Jim and knows the rope better than you) Her in Wizards honestly…. Didn’t impact me at all…. Maybe it was the way they rode her or maybe it’s just the fact that I haven’t touched the wizard since I first watched it in 2020 but I honestly just don’t feel anything for wizards Claire…. At least with Trollhunters I eventually got emotional for her once she stopped being so brother/Jim obsessed…. (I get Jim is her boyfriend, but she also has to realize he’s the Trollhunter he can handle himself to a degree.) but it honestly feels like wizards Claire is completely different than Trollhunters Claire….. but like not in the good “ oh a character developed and so they don’t feel the same that they did at the beginning of the story” way it’s more like “the writers forgot how to write this character so they just kind of went with what was on her packaging” way…. Like… Trollhunters Claire (to me) felt like a Mary Sue at times, but at least she could hold her own in a fight and it made sense and she was doing stuff that actually meant something to the plot, but Wizards Clair just feels like the typical Mary Sue/Damsel where she just…. Does NOTHING yet the plot bends around her somehow… Claire went from an actual character to a wet blanket, damsel in destress and weak (not in the good way where she starts weak and grow stronger one way or another, but the bad way where she is weak and STAYS weak in Wizards) ALSO HOW DOES DOXIE KNOW MORE ABOUT HER POWERS THAN HER?!? If it was Morgana mentoring her on more advanced shadow magic, and Claire just went along with it (still absolutely hating Morgana’s guts but playing along and doing it for the sake of knowledge/the greater good) to learn those advance techniques then I could understand Claire needing to possibly learn and adapt her methods (As Morgana did either invent shadow magic, or at least master it at that time -I don’t remember-) that would also be interesting for a character conflict…. BUT NOT DOXIE WHO’D KNOW MORE OF MERLINS MAGIC TEACHING HER SHADOW MAGIC!! Also agreed with you on Wizards, it either ignores canon (how the hell is angle rot in the black sea before Morgana is even there?!) or tries to do a sloppy redemption for Morgana. She traumatized Claire and try to kill Claire and then said “we had fun” and of course didn’t even apologize to Angor rot for stealing his soul (which honestly I’m insulted that they just brought him in for that one scene and then we never saw him again. Are you kidding me? I’m an Angor Rot fan as I really like his story, him as a villain, and an overall character is really interesting to me) like you could do an entire video on Clair and Angor Roy’s ties and trauma to Morgana and how Claire got some justice in defeating her (I don’t think Angor did cause he dies immediately during that, but that’s just me) and you’re absolutely RIGHT about her abusing them (Angor suffered clear/likely emotional, physical, and mental abuse as well as forced servitude!!! And Claire got possessed and likely developed some PTSD from it given how she acts with the Shadow realm) and then just killed her off without her, even apologizing for anything really…. Like you said, the writers pretty much just ignored the fact that she helped a troll warlord in his genocidal attempt to essentially take over humanity and eat all of us and expect us to see her as redeemed without her really doing anything… I am buying it. I heard wizards went through a few developmental/preproduction issues and while I don’t know all of them or anything that when I’m behind the scenes much I heard that what they had planned for wizards was 100% better than what we got…. Which I believe.
Wow, sexists are already in the comments Anyway, good video. I agree 100% Wizards broke so much of its own rules it was dissapointing. Also the fact that multiple characters are just... the same age? Like, I get that wizards live a long time and trolls are on a different aging scale but did they really have to use the exact same model for Draal and Blinky? The way they talk about the trollhunter lore in the first show they make it sound like ancient history but then in wizards they're just... regular adults when the first trollhunter came around?
In the movie they could’ve done much better like Aja could’ve had more aliens help out and douxe And other wizards helping out and other dragons two to fight off. What left of the changelings they could’ve helped out the enemies over two of them also I think Toby’s sacrifice they shouldn’t have reset things or go back in time I would have loved to see the outcome of what they changed in Camelot and how impacts their future also I would have loved to see the fall out When Toby sacrifices himself for everyone else and they have to live with the fallout after that
Thought you're gonna rage about how this recent obsession woman who physically dominating men erased many previous and diverse female archatype(baroness femme fatals, moms, ect)!
i Disagree in the Past i used to think the Same as you but as i thought about it i Come to understand it even More if anything and i hope i won't get attack for this. i actually Prefer her Version in Wizards Sure her yapping over Jim is a bit annoying Sometimes. her Guilt come because her inability to grasp what going on She always had a fear of Losing Someone She Love. her disagreeing with Merlin and Wanting to Stay in the Past is her inability to Accept that She Lost Jim and She had a lot more extreme emotional and cries a lot because She feel useless with Enrique She had all her and her friends backing her up Plus She had full faith in Jim after Some time that he Would Save her brother yeah it took time but it happen Also her brother was a lot Safer Jim then was Constantly Suffering because of her Mistake. i do think they Could a lot of things better Like Develop the Whole Morgana thing Much More and make her Arc to be about her not being afraid of becoming Like her but a lot of it what we could've got is a fault of Wizards not being Long enough rather then Clair's fault. Also i'm Sorry but Douxie and Claire's relationship is Clearly meant to be Platonic. Douxie is Clearly the only person Claire could fully trust because you couldn't fully trust anyone else there and her friends Like Toby and Blinky didn't come with them. and i don't think any of their interaction imply more then that.
She’s so obsessed with Jim and trying to save him and I hate how the best of everything and how she can learn a language quickly or learn magic much quicker than other wizards also I would have loved to see the consequences for her recklessness she cared more about saving Jim and she got Merlin kilowatt and she didn’t get scolded for her recklessness Also I would have loved to see like they could enter into Remote lol you could’ve finished with Audra story in the beginning the first season and then having her brother and Toby and aargh are having their own missions
never seen this show before but you explained it well enough :3
(commenting so the algorithm picks this video up)
u should like...watch it
I already thought that Wizards was the weakest show of the three, but I never noticed how much it ruined Claire, as I was more focused on how they ruined Steve and the overall worldbuilding.
So, great video! I agree with you!
Absolutely, I heard there was some issues with Wizards behind the scenes (mostly budget and I’m assuming time as well as other things) but still not an excuse for how honestly sloppy Wizards was….
Like? How is Angor Rot already in the Black Sea when he shouldn’t even BE there yet!! He’s supposed to be there after Gunmar ravages his village and hurts his people and he goes to Morgana for help! Also, Morgana AND Gunmar are locked away before we see that so it honestly confuses me more.
And Clair suddenly trusting/learning magic from Morgana feels rushed (same with Morgana’s redemption considering all the actually abuse and torment she causes for everyone but especially Clair and Angor Rot that she never apologized for “we had fun” is what she said to Clair)
In short: very much agreed with you on how it messed up the Workd Building (I do like what Wizards could have been had it been able to be done as intended, but what we got isn’t it)
Edit: sorry for the rant, I just don’t see a lot of people talking about the world building of wizards and it’s nice to see someone who gets it lol 😂
@@InkyDolly Also, I initially watched the french dub of Wizards, which has a bunch of extra issues due to the poor translations. (A shame because the voice actors are doing a great job) Now that I rewatched the whole Arcadia series in the original english version, here are my scores:
Trollhunters: 9/10
3Below: 9/10
Wizards: 6/10 (It initially was a 4/10)
Rise of the titans: 7/10
@@havalax413 oof 😓 yeah that’s always an issue with languages and translations but I’m sorry to hear it wasn’t translated the best (I watched the English version and sadly don’t know any other languages so idk how faithful the translations are but I know it sucks when a show isn’t translated well)
Also very generous ratings for Wizards and Rise of the Titans lol 😂 (not judging btw, I’m just not a big fan of them given how they were handled)
Trollhunters: 9/10
3Below: 8/10 (on its own) 6/10 (when partnered with Tales of Arcadia, sorry I just think the si-fi elements of 3Below would have been better separate from the magic of Trollhunters though that’s just me)
Wizards: 4/10
ROT: 2/10 (the movie could’ve been WAY better in my opinion)
@@InkyDolly 3Below is my favorite because it uses the trollhunters characters to enhance the story in small ways. Since Wizards and ROTT barely use the aliens characters anyway, I'm happy to view it as its own thing.
@ fair to me the Trollhunters characters aren’t in it enough for me to really make it fully tie 3Below into Trollhunters for me until the very end but it IS good and I don’t mind it as a part of Tales of Arcadia
And honestly I feel the reason ROT and Wizards didn’t use the Aliens as much was due to budget and not knowing what to do with them…. 😑
When I finished trollhunters
I was desperate to atleast see more of the world so I watch Wizards
and honestly I dont really like it that much but it's alright as it's own thing( i guess) as there was so many plotholes that I was confused(I was really looking forward on how Morgana made the Changelings! but nope)
@@NickName-be3li. First off, tell her(Swift) about better with bob and jlongbone!
Secondly;What you expect? Same guy doomed percy jackson and green lantern.
i had something like this happen where i was on a ladder, and it was a solid 30 seconds before i got off the ladder and immediately got jumpscared
Also I would have loved to seen the wizard Council and the rules that they have in place I would’ve love to see more different creatures and I would have loved that Claire And Jim and the others learning a lesson
Also, I never took Douxie's and Claire's interactions as "pseudo-romantic". I saw it as a healthy platonic guy/girl relationship where they were allowed to be comfortable with each other. They help and support each other like real friends should. I actually applaud Tales of Arcadia for this instead of going down the cliché love triangle route.
i Agree i never got this for them i feel Like it taken scenes way too Seriously . i don't think that Claire and Douxie even hugged each other Douxie doesn't Seems to be interested in Claire nor That Claire Seems to be interested in Douxie outside for the Night Patrol ep which nothing more then a Small Crush.
no offense to anyone but people take Scenes way too Seriously and it's Kinda annoying Sometimes ngl.
So did y'all forget about Deya? I get being mad at the "sexist writing" but pretending only the boys got fight scenes when Bellroc (who was referred to as a she at the time) and Deya (whose arc was all about rising up to become a leader to the trolls and even fought Gunmar) got a piece of the action is crazy.
Of course, it's not my place to get involved in these discussions nor should I tell you how a woman should be written but I do agree that they could've done better with Claire in Wizards (everyone could've had a bit more time to cook). I don't exactly think she was ruined but more so had to have her screen time rushed or cut down for the sake of the plot and thus could only keep her "essential" scenes (which obviously cut out a lot of her other core character traits which is an L, but I gotta say it how it is).
I also don't think it was sexist for Douxie to help her with magic. Yes, Claire taught herself which is impressive in it of itself but Douxie (even training wheels drop out Douxie) would still have a better handling of the basics than her. The rest of the complaints are fair enough though so I'm not gonna get into that.
the only Comment i can agree with.
Yeah Claire wasn't explored and She Could've a lot of Scenes with Morgana.
She was just underdeveloped at Most. i didn't mind her Arc of Saving Jim tho but i do think that if Wizards was Longer We could've gotten So much for everybody.
@slayerbrother5779 True
And funnily enough she forgot about nemura. You know, that;educated,badass, female, changeling who started out villainous, but become true hero"?
@@erikbihari3625 Actually, my previous video 'why the side villains are better' has a lengthy focus on Nomura and her many layers :) This particular video is about Claire, and also about Wizards- which Nomura dosen't appear in.
Warning: long comment, a bit rambley and rant-y but it stays on topic
I love your Trollhunters videos and if you read this, I hope to see more cause this show/series needs to be talked about more (haven’t seen many talking about this show)
Not gonna lie, Claire never really was my favourite character (that honour goes to Angor Rot, Strickler, Barbara, Blinky, Aaarrgghh!, etc.) simply because for the first part we don’t know her that well (as she’s not brought into the main cast yet) then when we do she’s just…. OBSESSED with getting her baby brother back -as a sibling I get wanting to do anything for your younger sibling BUT Claire wants to get him back when she KNOWS he’s not in any immediate danger and without a real plan for how to navigate the Darklands and not release Gunmar! If I were in Clair’s shoes while I’d do anything to save my sibling I’d also try not to damn the world in the process! “My sibling is in the Darklands, that’s bad… BUT they aren’t in any danger, and I need to make a plan so I and my friends can get out safely and so we don’t release a troll warlord”
That and once she gets the shadow staff she kinda acts a bit entitled like…. Yeah you got a magic staff…. But you’re new to this Claire… maybe learn how to use your magic skills and stop picking a fight with Toby (who’s been with Jim and knows the rope better than you)
Her in Wizards honestly…. Didn’t impact me at all…. Maybe it was the way they rode her or maybe it’s just the fact that I haven’t touched the wizard since I first watched it in 2020 but I honestly just don’t feel anything for wizards Claire…. At least with Trollhunters I eventually got emotional for her once she stopped being so brother/Jim obsessed…. (I get Jim is her boyfriend, but she also has to realize he’s the Trollhunter he can handle himself to a degree.) but it honestly feels like wizards Claire is completely different than Trollhunters Claire….. but like not in the good “ oh a character developed and so they don’t feel the same that they did at the beginning of the story” way it’s more like “the writers forgot how to write this character so they just kind of went with what was on her packaging” way…. Like… Trollhunters Claire (to me) felt like a Mary Sue at times, but at least she could hold her own in a fight and it made sense and she was doing stuff that actually meant something to the plot, but Wizards Clair just feels like the typical Mary Sue/Damsel where she just…. Does NOTHING yet the plot bends around her somehow… Claire went from an actual character to a wet blanket, damsel in destress and weak (not in the good way where she starts weak and grow stronger one way or another, but the bad way where she is weak and STAYS weak in Wizards)
ALSO HOW DOES DOXIE KNOW MORE ABOUT HER POWERS THAN HER?!? If it was Morgana mentoring her on more advanced shadow magic, and Claire just went along with it (still absolutely hating Morgana’s guts but playing along and doing it for the sake of knowledge/the greater good) to learn those advance techniques then I could understand Claire needing to possibly learn and adapt her methods (As Morgana did either invent shadow magic, or at least master it at that time -I don’t remember-) that would also be interesting for a character conflict…. BUT NOT DOXIE WHO’D KNOW MORE OF MERLINS MAGIC TEACHING HER SHADOW MAGIC!!
Also agreed with you on Wizards, it either ignores canon (how the hell is angle rot in the black sea before Morgana is even there?!) or tries to do a sloppy redemption for Morgana. She traumatized Claire and try to kill Claire and then said “we had fun” and of course didn’t even apologize to Angor rot for stealing his soul (which honestly I’m insulted that they just brought him in for that one scene and then we never saw him again. Are you kidding me? I’m an Angor Rot fan as I really like his story, him as a villain, and an overall character is really interesting to me) like you could do an entire video on Clair and Angor Roy’s ties and trauma to Morgana and how Claire got some justice in defeating her (I don’t think Angor did cause he dies immediately during that, but that’s just me) and you’re absolutely RIGHT about her abusing them (Angor suffered clear/likely emotional, physical, and mental abuse as well as forced servitude!!! And Claire got possessed and likely developed some PTSD from it given how she acts with the Shadow realm) and then just killed her off without her, even apologizing for anything really…. Like you said, the writers pretty much just ignored the fact that she helped a troll warlord in his genocidal attempt to essentially take over humanity and eat all of us and expect us to see her as redeemed without her really doing anything… I am buying it.
I heard wizards went through a few developmental/preproduction issues and while I don’t know all of them or anything that when I’m behind the scenes much I heard that what they had planned for wizards was 100% better than what we got…. Which I believe.
Wow, sexists are already in the comments
Anyway, good video. I agree 100%
Wizards broke so much of its own rules it was dissapointing. Also the fact that multiple characters are just... the same age? Like, I get that wizards live a long time and trolls are on a different aging scale but did they really have to use the exact same model for Draal and Blinky?
The way they talk about the trollhunter lore in the first show they make it sound like ancient history but then in wizards they're just... regular adults when the first trollhunter came around?
First off, she never even mentioned how recently only seen girlboss. Second, what you expected cel shading? More liberty!
Like moths to a flame
thank you so much! :D
In the movie they could’ve done much better like Aja could’ve had more aliens help out and douxe And other wizards helping out and other dragons two to fight off. What left of the changelings they could’ve helped out the enemies over two of them also I think Toby’s sacrifice they shouldn’t have reset things or go back in time I would have loved to see the outcome of what they changed in Camelot and how impacts their future also I would have loved to see the fall out When Toby sacrifices himself for everyone else and they have to live with the fallout after that
Thought you're gonna rage about how this recent obsession woman who physically dominating men erased many previous and diverse female archatype(baroness femme fatals, moms, ect)!
What the hell are you talking about, did you even watch the show?
@MrTiesk . Nope, but she explained her thoroughly. Your point here!?
@@erikbihari3625 my point is you're being a petty little shit 🤷
i Disagree in the Past i used to think the Same as you but as i thought about it i Come to understand it even More if anything and i hope i won't get attack for this. i actually Prefer her Version in Wizards Sure her yapping over Jim is a bit annoying Sometimes.
her Guilt come because her inability to grasp what going on She always had a fear of Losing Someone She Love. her disagreeing with Merlin and Wanting to Stay in the Past is her inability to Accept that She Lost Jim and She had a lot more extreme emotional and cries a lot because She feel useless with Enrique She had all her and her friends backing her up Plus She had full faith in Jim after Some time that he Would Save her brother yeah it took time but it happen Also her brother was a lot Safer Jim then was Constantly Suffering because of her Mistake. i do think they Could a lot of things better Like Develop the Whole Morgana thing Much More and make her Arc to be about her not being afraid of becoming Like her but a lot of it what we could've got is a fault of Wizards not being Long enough rather then Clair's fault.
Also i'm Sorry but Douxie and Claire's relationship is Clearly meant to be Platonic. Douxie is Clearly the only person Claire could fully trust because you couldn't fully trust anyone else there and her friends Like Toby and Blinky didn't come with them. and i don't think any of their interaction imply more then that.