@@whosyourdaddy4579 The British classes, rich and poor, were close, simply because they all depended on each other. Its why there's never been any turmoil or revolution. We also have a Monarch who is above all the classes. We all get behind the Monarch in good times or bad.
aperson22222 well, these were different times; it could be ruinous. I meant that she didn’t care about the blackmailing, as she was so used to that and scandals
I love how Michelle Dockery adjusts her posture and confidence as she enters the library at 5:05 knowing what awaits her - such a subtle acting detail!
I feel it must be said that turn of the century aristocracy behave differently than any average working class person, now and then (although while many do, I suppose I shouldn’t assume you fit somewhere in that vague category to be fair!)
Quick aside as long as you brought this up… Robert gave him money and told him never to return under threat of imprisonment…except he did come back in S3. Isobel and Mrs. Hughes rescued him from the workhouse until he got a job in Belfast. Robert never knew; I guess leaving the country to,pursue employment is a nobler ending than being imprisoned for blackmail.
This was in 1920, even americans were polite back in those days. Besides it was the upper upper upper class, not some yankee cowboy. I am English and old aristocracy but if anyone tried to blackmail me today i would hire a hitman.
The compliment from Lord Grantham her papa means the world to Lady Mary and you can feel her voice shaking. Being the first-born yet female, she had always felt insecure and insufficiently good and once even broke down and cried over her papa's preference of Matthew over her. I love this series for its intriguing weaving of storylines and complex yet realistic characters. Set in 1920s onwards it seems, but it's more relatable than many modern-time chic flick series.
This really demonstrates how much Robert respects his daughter. Most fathers would have seen this as a sign that their daughters need to be controlled.
@@DeepikaGinger Admittedly he is too soft and careless to be the leader of a powerful family. After a few generations of privileged living its men tend to become too weak to lead. Mathew who came from a less privileged background was far more suited to the task. Same with Tom. Oddly Mary does seem to have a strong will despite her upbringing.
I'm sorry, but the maid's line of when Anna enters Mary's room, she says: "How did you get in here?" And the maid's matter of fact answer: "I lied," makes me laugh every time.
7:35 Mary: Well, I hope you mean that! She says it with a catch in her throat, on the verge of tears. I think this is such a great moment for her character. She always wants to hear that from Robert. She feels deeply that it is her right to inherit everything, as she is the eldest child. Since the beginning; she feels he never wants to challenge the entail and fight for her. He never shows that he trusts her or thinks she's strong enough. Then she and Robert go through so much and you can see the changes in their characters. I love how now he sees that Mary is strong enough to run the show and goes out of his way to reassure her. Wonderful character arcs.
They really painted a lot of the working class people as more snobby than a lot of the upper class. Carson, the children's nanny, lord Sinderby's butler, the former partner of Carson who tried to black mail him, and this one. They weren't upper class but they all wanted to live vicariously through the upper class as if it were the same thing. Or act in a way they thought an upper class person could. This lady wasn't personally harmed by anything Mary did, but saw an opportunity to try to make money illegally of off her. Then tries to scold Mary after it for being all high and mighty and think she can just buy her way out if everything. I got to admit, I wasn't a huge "Mary" fan as I watched this series. But in this case I really wanted her to do something serious to this piece of crap maid.
Both Carson and Thomas also believed it to be beneath their dignity to wait on Tom after he joined the family. Yeah the ridgid caste system of the servants was just as imposing as the caste system of the Gentry.
In the world of domestic service there is a huge emphasis on dignity and pride - that’s all the servants had to their names, no money or property. That’s why there is more than just money as why to maid wanted to blackmail Mary. She already admitted she was a thief, and if it was all just a scheme for money she could’ve simply robbed her purse back at the hotel - but that was not enough. She wanted Mary to have a chance at suffering, a blackmail story was much more along the lines of what she needed to make a point. That’s why she went in for blackmail and not just common theft (which is still a bad thing to do). This was her way of getting payback at the upper-class employers she had, it wasn’t just about money. If it was (in the words of Micheal Corleone “nothing personal, strictly business”) she could’ve made much more just by stealing, but she took it as low as possible and went with blackmail. If she is a criminal, she’s not a very skillful one, that’s for sure
Usually people who have less are more eager (desperate) to reinforce a pecking order. When your status is a given you’re actually much more likely to be easygoing.
As expected, so many hate comments on Mary. I mean, if we could imagine this in our perspective, wouldn't it be bad to get blackmailed for this sort of thing? And Mary is not a snob to all people. She's got a boastful attitude, yes, but once she gets to know people, she treats them well. About Edith, she's progressed beautifully, but if everyone can recall, in the first couple of seasons, she could never see Mary happy. Both of them were quite childish at that.
I love watching Roberts evolution throughout the seasons, a Victorian era conservative in the beginning and by the end he’s a post war modernist that isn’t really surprised by much…
I was watching this with my grandfather who is english and old aristocracy and he said that in 1920 if this had happened the lady who tried to blackmail people would have never made it out of the house. She would have been fed to the dogs and nobody would have even found the bones.
@@kachi2782 uh a woman tried to black mail Prince Albert Victor in late 1880s.. she wasn't feed to dogs... they just drag her to court and prove that all her saying was false...
@@samanthasmith61 Precisely ! Because what lady knew about Albert Victor was false. But what that peasant on DA knew about that tramp of Lady Mary wasn't false was it ? Hence the hogs !
You'd think with the amount times Mary faced ruination, she would have learned to avoid those types of situations. It didn't take a weekend with Gillingham to know he wasn't right for her. She had doubts from the beginning, so she should have listened to her gut.
There were two things "wrong" with Gillingham. Well, three. Though handsome, he was somewhat betrothed to someone else and he was a bad judge of character given that his valet raped Anna. Oh, and he was not satisfying in bed. Three strikes, you're out.
@Liambrownz Mary made a comment to the Dowager that she wanted to know what she was getting since she would have to be with him the rest of their lives...after all it was 1924...something to that effect.
@@sabrinan4792 There's a few ways to interpret "know what one's getting," though. It's possible Gillingham was a bad lover, but it's also pretty likely that Mary was bored to tears by the time she had spent a full day with him because he had nothing to talk about.
@@harringt100 I always thought it was because he reminded her too much of Matthew. They were both men of principle who adored her more than anything. She wanted a man who was different and wouldn't be a threat to Matthew's memory. Henry Talbot is the only one who calls her out when she's wrong and goes his own way.
I always have liked Robert. He seems old-fashioned and out of touch, and then shows himself to be shrewd. He's very traditional, but not excessively rigid, and loves his family. Just an all-around good egg.
"I'd rather be alone than with the wrong man"... Watching this final season for the first time, I really hoped that would be the case for Mary. None of the post-Matthew suitors really cut it, and in any case, she seemed at her best and happiest when at her job, running Downton alongside her father and Tom. Alas, along came Henry Talbot, yet another pretty boring suitor who apart from his slightly arrogant demeanor, did not seem to have the least in common with her. Don't know about everyone else, but I was not invested in that romance at all. I wished Mary had ended up single, but strong, independent and happy, rather than with such a vapid man. Also, shoutout to Robert for always knowing how to put scheming blackmailers in their place ✊🏼.
I agree with you about Mary. It frustrates me that for the last three seasons, most of Mary's storylines revolved around the question of who she would end up with. It reverted the character back to who she was before she married Matthew.
@@suncore598 I'm not sure if I'd say Mary "reverted" to who she was before. What I really liked about her in the post-Matthew years is that she developed into a very succesful, smart businesswoman, with a keener eye for handling Downton and the estate than her father. Which is what she's always wanted anyway, now that I think of it. She wanted a say, a place at the table. I just felt that the romance was a waste of time, forced, cringy at times, and unecessary for her character. I think it would have made a much better course for Mary to come to the conclusion that indeed, perhaps she'd be better of alone. That Matthew was the one big love of her life, and that's ok. That she didn't need another man in her life because her work and her family fulfilled her.
Mary's remarriage isn't a bad thing itself, but they drew it badly, I believe. Instead of practically every bachelors in the last 3 seasons being her suitor they could have decreased the quantity and add to the quality and didn't make it feel like a big deal.
@@ghazalehaghamiri4769 THIS!! If they were going to have her remarry they should have spent way more time developing the one person she was going to end up with and make the audience care for him, not have us suffer an endless parade of suitors.
@@nazgullord3198 Unfortunately they didn't and we had to suffer Mary playing hard to get with boring unremarkable men and flirting with several different men throughout a single episode. 😒😒😒
6:33 That look right there shows how selfish Mary is. Not once did she think about what the scandal would do to Tony and Mabel, she only cared about herself.
The thing is, £50 was still a lot of money then. Equalivent to half the average annual wage for a working class woman. £1000 would have been a totally life changing sum of money.
Before the war this would have been Carson s entire yearly salary ( the biggest one ) . This is a few weeks after they tell Carson they want to sack some employees
"What would you do?" Mary asks Anna, whom she forced to buy contraceptives for her before she went to the hotel. Poor Anna. Always suffering from Mary's obliviousness.
Mary is quite lucky to have such wonderful father's like Robert and Carson. Both are quite conservative and hold everyone to a higher standards of rules except their darling daughter. Both of them blindly loves and dotes on mary quite shamelessly. I am shocked how snobbish person like Carson can turn his eyes towards all his rules whenever mary commits a blunder. Nothing she does can disappoint him in a slightest way.
Robert asks her "Is that a compliment?" after her sarcastic comment and she doesn't even answer. He pays her a much bigger compliment and she demands "I hope you mean that!" which he responds to quite graciously. All after he's gotten her out of a big jam and forgiven her for being colossally stupid. ...Mary could be such an entitled brat a lot of the time.
Nah quite the contrary. At first she tries to act casual because she's so uncomfortable. Then she says "i hope you mean that" because his words meant the world to her since she had been craving her father's approval in her position of heir for years.
Mary didn't deserve to be rescued here. If I were Robert I would be so mad at her, especially after the entire Pamuk scandal ruined her life. Mary shouldn't have gotten of scot-free for making yet another bad decision.
Why would he be mad at Mary and not mad at Edith. Edith has an illegitimate child. Mary was married before so therefore I don’t think this scandal was necessary
In the world of domestic service there is a huge emphasis on dignity and pride (I’ve been in there, I’ve seen it up close) that’s all the servants had to their names, no money or property. That’s why there is more than just money as why to maid wanted to blackmail Mary. She already admitted she was a thief, and if it was all just a scheme for money she could’ve simply robbed her purse back at the hotel - but that was not enough. She wanted Mary to have a chance at suffering, a blackmail story was much more along the lines of what she needed to make a point. That’s why she went in for blackmail and not just common theft (which is still a bad thing to do). This was her way of getting payback at the upper-class employers she had, it wasn’t just about money. If it was (in the words of Micheal Corleone “nothing personal, strictly business”) she could’ve made much more just by stealing, but she took it as low as possible and went with blackmail. If she is a criminal, she’s not a very skillful one, that’s for sure
I wonder if she'd burned her bridges at that hotel, anyway -- either quit or been fired. Come to think of it, that's a long way for her to travel with no guarantee of getting that $1000. Maybe Robert's $50 was enough for her to break even?
"What would you do?" "Well, M'Lady, the most important thing I would do is, I would not have shacked up with Lord Gillingham and let myself get into this situation." I would expect powerful lords have connections who deal with situations like this. I'm surprised the woman didn't steal more chain than she could swim with.
When they finally entered the real XXth century with really stylish fashion, it's when thre show is given the last nail on the coffin... quite appropriate.
Mary was so lucky because had Edith or Sybil behaved like she did, they wouldn’t be treated equally to her! Had that happen to Edith, She surely would make Edith’s life a living hell. I always find conflicts in my liking of Mary.
Nerdy Snailie to be honest and this is my assessment. Edith was always sniping backhandly at Mary always bit back. Sure Mary is entitled and arrogant but she a persons with flaws who has to perfect all the time since so many depend on her success. And the thing with Bertie Mary was angry and Edith knowingly poked the bear and she shocked when Mary bit back
Anna Hall but as the series started, they paint the picture with Mary poking the bear not the other way around. Everytime I rewatch Downton I get a different understanding of them. You miss few things while watching first or second time! It’s an amazing series 🥰. I think that Mary enjoys Edith misery lol
@@thekingsdaughter4233 half her servants know about Pamuk . Thomas knows she was in her bedroom with Tony when fire broken down . Anna knows literaly everything .
Well done, your Lordship, I'd have pulled exactly the same stint but I'd have tricked her into signing the confession before telling her what it was and giving her the £50 first!
Here's comes the almost scandal rolling on Mary, almost taking down with the former maid, thanks to her father paid this former maid off with money and leave out of this house!
Correct me if I’m wrong, he found out about his eldest daughter stayed with another man without marriage in 1924 ish and now she is tough enough to run a country. Tony did not persuaded her, May does what she pleases, same as the Turkish guy,,,,,
I can’t stand Mary as a character anyways, she’s so horrible, stuck up and snobby. But it really annoyed me when writer seemed to love the plot of: Mary acts selfishly (as usual), gets into trouble (blackmail, ruined reputation), drags other characters into the mess (Anna, Cora), it comes to a climax where Mary acts like the victim (Michelle Dockery does this thing where she makes her eyes go all wide and innocent looking when Mary finally gets called out to her BS), then another character (Robert, Dowager) saves her skin and then she’s free to continue being the selfish, spiteful cow she always is. 🙄
jehanne thompson if Mary was so worried about the family’s reputation then she wouldn’t get into these situations that could lead to blackmail and jeopardise the family name in the first place! Nobody forced her to spend that weekend out of wedlock with Tony Gillingham, Anna even tried to talk her out of it but she was her usual stubborn, selfish self and did it anyways. Now she’s in hot water and of course doesn’t want to face the consequences of her actions so Daddy bails her out. You’d really think after the Pamuk incident Mary would have learnt her lesson by now. 🙄
I love the relationship between Anna and Mary
Anna is Mary's little stoolie...it's expected in her position,.
@@whosyourdaddy4579 The British classes, rich and poor, were close, simply because they all depended on each other. Its why there's never been any turmoil or revolution. We also have a Monarch who is above all the classes. We all get behind the Monarch in good times or bad.
Yes! It’s so friendly and relaxed. It’s almost like they see each other on the same level, despite the class difference. They’re friends.
Me too. Anna is such a class act and Mary asking her advice proves how much she trusts her. ☮️✌️🖖
@@gingerbaker4390 Speak for yourself! I will never get behind the English king.
at this point Mary didn't even care anymore lol
Line Wiik And why should she? Are people that starved for entertainment that two people well on to middle age having sex would be ruinous?
Line Wiik hahahaha bullshit
which was kinda a problem with this story line, if Mary doesn't even care about the blackmailing, why would the viewers...
aperson22222 well, these were different times; it could be ruinous. I meant that she didn’t care about the blackmailing, as she was so used to that and scandals
I think even today a lot of people would be at least embarrassed if their sex life would be all over the news.
I love how Michelle Dockery adjusts her posture and confidence as she enters the library at 5:05 knowing what awaits her - such a subtle acting detail!
I feel it must be said that turn of the century aristocracy behave differently than any average working class person, now and then (although while many do, I suppose I shouldn’t assume you fit somewhere in that vague category to be fair!)
*The working class might be going up but you aren't*
Savageeeee
@@ruoqichen1540 OMG so true 😂😂 I can imagine that so perfectly
I’m going to start using that whenever I can!!!😂
Ruoqi Chen I’ve always noticed that too lol
It's moments like this that make me fall in love with Mary.
Best come back ever
Nice to see Robert learned his lesson from that guy who tried blackmailing Carson in episode 1x02.
Quick aside as long as you brought this up…
Robert gave him money and told him never to return under threat of imprisonment…except he did come back in S3. Isobel and Mrs. Hughes rescued him from the workhouse until he got a job in Belfast. Robert never knew; I guess leaving the country to,pursue employment is a nobler ending than being imprisoned for blackmail.
I love how the British are so polite. "Now please get out." When here in America, I'd throw her out myself.
Downton Abbey ≠ British people
In the case like Lady Mary's, We call, "Berambus kau!" To throw people out .
British ARE more polite, in that sense.
This was in 1920, even americans were polite back in those days. Besides it was the upper upper upper class, not some yankee cowboy. I am English and old aristocracy but if anyone tried to blackmail me today i would hire a hitman.
@@cellpat7392 there we go. 👍🏾
No, not really, not during that time and as a member of aristocracy.
The compliment from Lord Grantham her papa means the world to Lady Mary and you can feel her voice shaking. Being the first-born yet female, she had always
felt insecure and insufficiently good and once even broke down and cried over her papa's preference of Matthew over her.
I love this series for its intriguing weaving of storylines and complex yet realistic characters. Set in 1920s onwards it seems, but it's more relatable than many modern-time chic flick series.
She’s been through a war, married, had a child, been widowed. But still on the verge of tears with a compliment from her Papa. 😊
This really demonstrates how much Robert respects his daughter. Most fathers would have seen this as a sign that their daughters need to be controlled.
This one does.
@@nikosgreek352 Less so than he once did. He complimented her at the end on her strength.
@@DeepikaGinger I was refering to Mary.🤣🤣
@@nikosgreek352 She occasionally needs good advice. No offence to Robert but he shouldn’t be in charge of anyone’s life.
@@DeepikaGinger Admittedly he is too soft and careless to be the leader of a powerful family. After a few generations of privileged living its men tend to become too weak to lead. Mathew who came from a less privileged background was far more suited to the task. Same with Tom. Oddly Mary does seem to have a strong will despite her upbringing.
"Blackmail me? Apparently you haven't met my lady's maid, Anna Bates. She's been known to disappear people from time to time"....
😂
ahahahaha
Havent you read the papers. We keep murders on staff.
And we won't even get into her husband...
I'm sorry, but the maid's line of when Anna enters Mary's room, she says: "How did you get in here?" And the maid's matter of fact answer: "I lied," makes me laugh every time.
“If I wasn’t so disgusted, that would actually make me laugh” 😂😂
7:35
Mary: Well, I hope you mean that!
She says it with a catch in her throat, on the verge of tears. I think this is such a great moment for her character. She always wants to hear that from Robert. She feels deeply that it is her right to inherit everything, as she is the eldest child. Since the beginning; she feels he never wants to challenge the entail and fight for her. He never shows that he trusts her or thinks she's strong enough. Then she and Robert go through so much and you can see the changes in their characters. I love how now he sees that Mary is strong enough to run the show and goes out of his way to reassure her. Wonderful character arcs.
Wasted effort challenging an entailed estate.
I was hoping Lady Mary would call Mr. Bates to take care of blackmailer. Mr. Bates is a mysterious man...
Whew chile he gives me serial vibes...
Prison changes a man
I love that Downton Abbey is so expansive that I had forgotten about that little conflict.
Robert: you may have blackmailed us but I have out-blackmailed your blackmail!
If I lived in this time, and I needed a butler, I would only pray that my butler would have an inkling of honesty, love, and LOYALTY that Anna had!
“It is better to be alone than badly accompanied.”
6:54 Robert's a good negotiator, I"ll give him that
Just not a good investor lol
@@Raja1938 Touche!
How much was that back in 1925? 50 quid?
@@tishafay It would be several months pay
They really painted a lot of the working class people as more snobby than a lot of the upper class. Carson, the children's nanny, lord Sinderby's butler, the former partner of Carson who tried to black mail him, and this one. They weren't upper class but they all wanted to live vicariously through the upper class as if it were the same thing. Or act in a way they thought an upper class person could. This lady wasn't personally harmed by anything Mary did, but saw an opportunity to try to make money illegally of off her. Then tries to scold Mary after it for being all high and mighty and think she can just buy her way out if everything. I got to admit, I wasn't a huge "Mary" fan as I watched this series. But in this case I really wanted her to do something serious to this piece of crap maid.
Both Carson and Thomas also believed it to be beneath their dignity to wait on Tom after he joined the family. Yeah the ridgid caste system of the servants was just as imposing as the caste system of the Gentry.
In the world of domestic service there is a huge emphasis on dignity and pride - that’s all the servants had to their names, no money or property. That’s why there is more than just money as why to maid wanted to blackmail Mary. She already admitted she was a thief, and if it was all just a scheme for money she could’ve simply robbed her purse back at the hotel - but that was not enough. She wanted Mary to have a chance at suffering, a blackmail story was much more along the lines of what she needed to make a point. That’s why she went in for blackmail and not just common theft (which is still a bad thing to do). This was her way of getting payback at the upper-class employers she had, it wasn’t just about money. If it was (in the words of Micheal Corleone “nothing personal, strictly business”) she could’ve made much more just by stealing, but she took it as low as possible and went with blackmail. If she is a criminal, she’s not a very skillful one, that’s for sure
Similar to today.
@Lúthien ughhh....... miss bunting........ you are so right...... I actually hated this character worse than the extorting maid.....
Usually people who have less are more eager (desperate) to reinforce a pecking order. When your status is a given you’re actually much more likely to be easygoing.
As expected, so many hate comments on Mary. I mean, if we could imagine this in our perspective, wouldn't it be bad to get blackmailed for this sort of thing? And Mary is not a snob to all people. She's got a boastful attitude, yes, but once she gets to know people, she treats them well. About Edith, she's progressed beautifully, but if everyone can recall, in the first couple of seasons, she could never see Mary happy. Both of them were quite childish at that.
2:17 '..you're revolting ' god I love Lady Mary 🙌
I know, that comment was rrrrgh. ...perfection!
If Sarah Bunting had a sister, it would be Rita Bevan.
😂
Edna Braithwaite would also be their sister 😂
Mary: I have a counter offer. I will give you *half of nothing.*
I love watching Roberts evolution throughout the seasons, a Victorian era conservative in the beginning and by the end he’s a post war modernist that isn’t really surprised by much…
I am impressed by Robert's wisdom here.
I was watching this with my grandfather who is english and old aristocracy and he said that in 1920 if this had happened the lady who tried to blackmail people would have never made it out of the house. She would have been fed to the dogs and nobody would have even found the bones.
That's because there were always a few pigs around. Meat to the dogs, bones to the hogs. A hog can and will eat everything but teeth.
clearly he is the stable boy... even the royal can't do that... how many gossip about Prince Edward make it to newspaper
@@samanthasmith61 This is not the 1920s !
@@kachi2782 uh a woman tried to black mail Prince Albert Victor in late 1880s.. she wasn't feed to dogs...
they just drag her to court and prove that all her saying was false...
@@samanthasmith61 Precisely ! Because what lady knew about Albert Victor was false.
But what that peasant on DA knew about that tramp of Lady Mary wasn't false was it ? Hence the hogs !
You'd think with the amount times Mary faced ruination, she would have learned to avoid those types of situations. It didn't take a weekend with Gillingham to know he wasn't right for her. She had doubts from the beginning, so she should have listened to her gut.
There were two things "wrong" with Gillingham. Well, three. Though handsome, he was somewhat betrothed to someone else and he was a bad judge of character given that his valet raped Anna. Oh, and he was not satisfying in bed. Three strikes, you're out.
@@sabrinan4792 I didn't like h I'll m because of how he pressured her into it. It was like a replay of Pamuk but with a slightly more humble guy.
@Liambrownz Mary made a comment to the Dowager that she wanted to know what she was getting since she would have to be with him the rest of their lives...after all it was 1924...something to that effect.
@@sabrinan4792 There's a few ways to interpret "know what one's getting," though. It's possible Gillingham was a bad lover, but it's also pretty likely that Mary was bored to tears by the time she had spent a full day with him because he had nothing to talk about.
@@harringt100 I always thought it was because he reminded her too much of Matthew. They were both men of principle who adored her more than anything. She wanted a man who was different and wouldn't be a threat to Matthew's memory. Henry Talbot is the only one who calls her out when she's wrong and goes his own way.
Love that Robert is always taking care of his daughters
We need a drinking game every time somebody unexpectedly visits and is waiting in the Library, you have a sip of tea. 😂
I love this family... imperfect and all..in the end, they are loyal to each other.
If Anna wrote a book. My god.
Chapter One: One corpse, three women, one castle
Such a wonderfully executed sequence...as always
Rita was so bold. Love her confidence.
I always have liked Robert. He seems old-fashioned and out of touch, and then shows himself to be shrewd. He's very traditional, but not excessively rigid, and loves his family. Just an all-around good egg.
Except for his awful financial instincts ..
This and how Lord Grantham handled the other Charlie showed what a boss he could be at times.
The focus pulls at this videos are excellent, smooth as silk.
The scenery is so lovely. World class acting. Feels like we are really there
Excellent production. BRAVO always, to everyone involved.
Thank you for the posts.
Mary's so damn lucky. She could have made some great scandals throughout the years with her recklessness
Ya she is such a hypocrite and a snob for looking down from others' misfortune (the prince, esthel, edith, the list goes on....)
Hải Yến Trương She wasn’t being a hypocrite to Ethel. She was talking about Pamuk. You people are annoying.
Hải Yến Trương what prince? She didn’t even talk about Prince Kuragin you dumbass
@@jehannethompson1432 In think he’s referring to the Prince of Wales, and his almost- scandal. 😀
but when prince of whales had that lettre problem she forgot her mistakes at first (she still one of my fave faults and all )
Watching this just reminds me how much I miss this show. (April 2020)
Cora’s “we may be next…”, and after that wonderful moment between Mary and Robert, I bet he hardly thinks so…
"You're revolting!"
*me looking in the mirror:*
"I'd rather be alone than with the wrong man"... Watching this final season for the first time, I really hoped that would be the case for Mary. None of the post-Matthew suitors really cut it, and in any case, she seemed at her best and happiest when at her job, running Downton alongside her father and Tom.
Alas, along came Henry Talbot, yet another pretty boring suitor who apart from his slightly arrogant demeanor, did not seem to have the least in common with her. Don't know about everyone else, but I was not invested in that romance at all. I wished Mary had ended up single, but strong, independent and happy, rather than with such a vapid man.
Also, shoutout to Robert for always knowing how to put scheming blackmailers in their place ✊🏼.
I agree with you about Mary. It frustrates me that for the last three seasons, most of Mary's storylines revolved around the question of who she would end up with. It reverted the character back to who she was before she married Matthew.
@@suncore598 I'm not sure if I'd say Mary "reverted" to who she was before. What I really liked about her in the post-Matthew years is that she developed into a very succesful, smart businesswoman, with a keener eye for handling Downton and the estate than her father. Which is what she's always wanted anyway, now that I think of it. She wanted a say, a place at the table. I just felt that the romance was a waste of time, forced, cringy at times, and unecessary for her character. I think it would have made a much better course for Mary to come to the conclusion that indeed, perhaps she'd be better of alone. That Matthew was the one big love of her life, and that's ok. That she didn't need another man in her life because her work and her family fulfilled her.
Mary's remarriage isn't a bad thing itself, but they drew it badly, I believe. Instead of practically every bachelors in the last 3 seasons being her suitor they could have decreased the quantity and add to the quality and didn't make it feel like a big deal.
@@ghazalehaghamiri4769 THIS!! If they were going to have her remarry they should have spent way more time developing the one person she was going to end up with and make the audience care for him, not have us suffer an endless parade of suitors.
@@nazgullord3198 Unfortunately they didn't and we had to suffer Mary playing hard to get with boring unremarkable men and flirting with several different men throughout a single episode. 😒😒😒
6:33 That look right there shows how selfish Mary is. Not once did she think about what the scandal would do to Tony and Mabel, she only cared about herself.
@2:37
*Hahaha* LOVE that Statement...
The thing is, £50 was still a lot of money then. Equalivent to half the average annual wage for a working class woman. £1000 would have been a totally life changing sum of money.
Before the war this would have been Carson s entire yearly salary ( the biggest one ) . This is a few weeks after they tell Carson they want to sack some employees
She should've said, "La-di-da, gracious great lady. You think you're so marvelous with your robe that matches your lampshade."
Rita Bevan, “And as I say...I will be bahhhhck”
Love this tv-serie and the movie of Downton abby❤❤❤❤
"What would you do?" Mary asks Anna, whom she forced to buy contraceptives for her before she went to the hotel. Poor Anna. Always suffering from Mary's obliviousness.
Love all season of Downton abby ❤❤❤❤
As a man, I I'm so proud of Lord Grantham on how he handled this.
Cora coming in like a boss bish. "Did you give her any?"
0:30 Mary looks elegant in that outfit
Mary is tough as balls and I adore her for it.
I don't like Mary's caracter but I admired how she handled this blackmailer.
Mary's hair was so chic, I loved it. And her equestrian looks are so perfectly androgenous 😍♥️ ugh
That maid puts scousers to shame. Not all are callous and blackmailers
"You think you're so above it all"
"Um yeah?"
When people say, "you think you are better than me?!" .... WELL DUHH
Mary is quite lucky to have such wonderful father's like Robert and Carson. Both are quite conservative and hold everyone to a higher standards of rules except their darling daughter. Both of them blindly loves and dotes on mary quite shamelessly.
I am shocked how snobbish person like Carson can turn his eyes towards all his rules whenever mary commits a blunder. Nothing she does can disappoint him in a slightest way.
I wish we could have had a scene of him finding out that Mary spilled the beans about Marigold after sending him out "for coffee."
Carson is à big hypocrite.
I aspire to be nonchalant and balanced like Cora 😂❤
Robert asks her "Is that a compliment?" after her sarcastic comment and she doesn't even answer. He pays her a much bigger compliment and she demands "I hope you mean that!" which he responds to quite graciously. All after he's gotten her out of a big jam and forgiven her for being colossally stupid.
...Mary could be such an entitled brat a lot of the time.
Tamar Harrington She was moved by Roberts faith in her… She wasn’t self-righteous, she was vulnerable, and happy for the compliment
She's always a brat.
She was trying to be flippant like it didn't matter.
Nah quite the contrary. At first she tries to act casual because she's so uncomfortable. Then she says "i hope you mean that" because his words meant the world to her since she had been craving her father's approval in her position of heir for years.
What accent is the maid talking in? It's oddly soothing.
My accent, Liverpool accent
@@hannahbrady3048 It's oddly soothing beforez then you know it's liverpool and it's not soothing anymore lmao
Mary didn't deserve to be rescued here. If I were Robert I would be so mad at her, especially after the entire Pamuk scandal ruined her life. Mary shouldn't have gotten of scot-free for making yet another bad decision.
Come ON Obi Wan you're from the future, I wouldn't expect YOU to be stuck in the Edwardian times.
Why would he be mad at Mary and not mad at Edith. Edith has an illegitimate child. Mary was married before so therefore I don’t think this scandal was necessary
Any scandal would affect him and the rest of the family as well. It's not just about rescuing Mary.
Robert may be a selfish fool, but he is a dutiful and loving father.
"some, it was quite a good cause" 😭😭😭😭😭😭😍😍😍😭😭😭😭
What they don't know is Anna knows Ji-Jitsu. She taught her a lesson.
Robert stands for his daughters
I hate how easy it is for people to barge into the house
In the world of domestic service there is a huge emphasis on dignity and pride (I’ve been in there, I’ve seen it up close) that’s all the servants had to their names, no money or property. That’s why there is more than just money as why to maid wanted to blackmail Mary. She already admitted she was a thief, and if it was all just a scheme for money she could’ve simply robbed her purse back at the hotel - but that was not enough. She wanted Mary to have a chance at suffering, a blackmail story was much more along the lines of what she needed to make a point. That’s why she went in for blackmail and not just common theft (which is still a bad thing to do). This was her way of getting payback at the upper-class employers she had, it wasn’t just about money. If it was (in the words of Micheal Corleone “nothing personal, strictly business”) she could’ve made much more just by stealing, but she took it as low as possible and went with blackmail. If she is a criminal, she’s not a very skillful one, that’s for sure
I wonder if she'd burned her bridges at that hotel, anyway -- either quit or been fired. Come to think of it, that's a long way for her to travel with no guarantee of getting that $1000. Maybe Robert's $50 was enough for her to break even?
@@SmidBeach £ not $
"What would you do?"
"Well, M'Lady, the most important thing I would do is, I would not have shacked up with Lord Gillingham and let myself get into this situation."
I would expect powerful lords have connections who deal with situations like this. I'm surprised the woman didn't steal more chain than she could swim with.
:) I love this show!!
Robert: Then why did you say no?
Mary: Because he had a terribly small appendage.
😁
good video
When they finally entered the real XXth century with really stylish fashion, it's when thre show is given the last nail on the coffin... quite appropriate.
I love the black mailers accent
“I just wanted to be sure.”
Hopefully she learned there are ways to be sure that aren’t scandalous.
Could you please upload the scene when Gwen from season 1 returns to Downtown in season 6?
Amanda Johnson That is one of my very favorite scenes.
Good one.
@@cellpat7392 Love her.
Here's the scene, also one of my favorites! th-cam.com/video/Kp1dMeXDKlI/w-d-xo.html
Why don't you just search for it?
Mary was so lucky because had Edith or Sybil behaved like she did, they wouldn’t be treated equally to her! Had that happen to Edith, She surely would make Edith’s life a living hell. I always find conflicts in my liking of Mary.
Nerdy Snailie to be honest and this is my assessment. Edith was always sniping backhandly at Mary always bit back. Sure Mary is entitled and arrogant but she a persons with flaws who has to perfect all the time since so many depend on her success. And the thing with Bertie Mary was angry and Edith knowingly poked the bear and she shocked when Mary bit back
Anna Hall but as the series started, they paint the picture with Mary poking the bear not the other way around. Everytime I rewatch Downton I get a different understanding of them. You miss few things while watching first or second time! It’s an amazing series 🥰. I think that Mary enjoys Edith misery lol
Nerdy Snailie of course Mary is the queen bee
Anna Hall Thank you. Edith triggered Mary.
Henry’s abandoned you........
That’s what cause Mary to burst.
Nerdy Snailie Your always defending Edith so I don’t care what you say about Edith cause some things just don’t make sense
if this was realistic mary wouldve just hired a merc or something to stealthily "dipose" of her
And have something else in her life about which to be blackmailed?
@@thekingsdaughter4233 half her servants know about Pamuk . Thomas knows she was in her bedroom with Tony when fire broken down . Anna knows literaly everything .
Well done, your Lordship, I'd have pulled exactly the same stint
but I'd have tricked her into signing the confession before telling her what it was and giving her the £50 first!
I... don't think someone in her position would be so stupid to sign something without read it.
Mary and Gillingham were dumb enough to sign their real names in the ledger? Lmao
I can’t remember if this part of the show was before or after the war, but estimating that it was around 1920 £1000 would be around £47,000 today
And 1925 to 2022 it would be £64,000!! Wowwie.
How lovely this serial is. What good people they actually are...
"Serial"? "Actually good people"?
You must be Indian 😅
@@daakudaddy5453 the old estate system was its own eco system. It worked.
@@daakudaddy5453 Haha yes. Offcourse he is 🙊
Love this
Mary is marvelous!
Here's comes the almost scandal rolling on Mary, almost taking down with the former maid, thanks to her father paid this former maid off with money and leave out of this house!
I love Anna and I was so proud of Mary for not giving in 😉
... maid went missing, old boy.... Bloody shame, that...
Did they have Mary have her tryst in Liverpool just so the maid sounds like a Beatle?
Oh dear! When the proles don’t know their place in the mire.
"Aren't you the lucky one? But then I suppose you always are" what a bitter loser.
Correct me if I’m wrong, he found out about his eldest daughter stayed with another man without marriage in 1924 ish and now she is tough enough to run a country. Tony did not persuaded her, May does what she pleases, same as the Turkish guy,,,,,
I can’t stand Mary as a character anyways, she’s so horrible, stuck up and snobby. But it really annoyed me when writer seemed to love the plot of: Mary acts selfishly (as usual), gets into trouble (blackmail, ruined reputation), drags other characters into the mess (Anna, Cora), it comes to a climax where Mary acts like the victim (Michelle Dockery does this thing where she makes her eyes go all wide and innocent looking when Mary finally gets called out to her BS), then another character (Robert, Dowager) saves her skin and then she’s free to continue being the selfish, spiteful cow she always is. 🙄
It’s not her fault she’s worried for it’s the entire families reputation too
jehanne thompson if Mary was so worried about the family’s reputation then she wouldn’t get into these situations that could lead to blackmail and jeopardise the family name in the first place!
Nobody forced her to spend that weekend out of wedlock with Tony Gillingham, Anna even tried to talk her out of it but she was her usual stubborn, selfish self and did it anyways. Now she’s in hot water and of course doesn’t want to face the consequences of her actions so Daddy bails her out. You’d really think after the Pamuk incident Mary would have learnt her lesson by now. 🙄
@@Camilla550 Well that's still your opinion and I have mine.
@@Camilla550 in a way Pamuk forced himself upon her so yeah.
The lesson is that we're all human and succumb to temptation occasionally...even you.
esta foi a temporada que mais gostei, assisti na netflix , em portugues . não vai mais passar . é apaixonante . obrigado
Why did Mary always get herself in compromising positions? Pamuk. This guy.
Which season is this? I don't remember seeing this scene at all!!
News of the World!
I don’t get it. How did this prove that Mary was competent to run things?
There’s only two ways to deal w a blackmailer