The Dowager at one point tells Tom he's a terrible at lying, and how she couldn't have done what she needed i her life if she couldn't lie. She taught Mary well.
Bates is a manly man. Keeps his opinions to himself, has a lot of interesting skills, unswervingly loyal, big heart, and gets the job done quietly and efficiently. Got himself a sweet and lovely wife too.
Obviously the statement as is would be incorrect, but the sentiment was correct: It wouldn't be called stealing if you are trying to recover stolen property for its rightful owner. And, as that is exactly what the Downton people were trying to do, as they said, 'it is all strictly aboveboard'.
@@hananelmarlowe Are you acting stupid? Or is this synaptic misfire real? He went to prison for 9 YEARS, dear. For trying to rob a dealer of memorabilia Simpson claimed had been stolen from him. He, too, argues he couldn’t be stealing something which had already been stolen from him. The court and the laws disagreed.
Superbly done. Bates was able to use all the techniques he had learnt in his shady past - forging, pick-pocketing, to save the Prince of Wales. I love the story-line. Very clever. Very well done.
He didn't have a shady past. He took the blame for his wife thieving and after he was in prison, because he was falsely accused of murdering her. How lucky for Prince Edward the useless, that Bates had learned a thing or two.
@@rheailiarome2287 If you are a skilled pickpocket and forger, by definition you had a shady past. You don't get classes in those skills just by being in prison and you don't perfect them by getting a class. You perfect them by plenty of usage. He admitted to Robert that he had a shady past, and that wasn't what happened with his wife's thieving. It was after he left prison . He told Robert he slipped into shameful behaviour. Robert and Mary knew more than they said explicitly. Both clearly knew in the glances they gave that Bates was the forger, and had taken the letter. They each played a game. They pretended they didn't know while knowing, though pretending to believe there was a forger 'friend''. Bates pretended not to know that they knew. It is a standard trick over something illegal, criminal or dodgy. Everyone puts on the innocent act in their conversations while all know the truth, and all know the other side knows they know.
Most ppl talk about the younger cast members of downtown, but without "Robert" the series nor the movies would be a success. Thank you Mr. Bonneville for playing the lead as Robert Crawley you're one classy guy. America sends warm wishes
Actually, most people talk about Maggie Smith who is obviously not the young cast, and in general people talk about EVERYONE in the main cast, young and older. If you're talking about Robert, it's worth saying that Cora is also the crucial element of the appeal of the show, as well as the actress.
Just love the look on Roberts face at 1:08 hes like: wait a minute, ill aks Bates and Bates.....will take care of it. They all can be rather cunning, but of course it wouldnt be polite to spell it out openly.
It does look like an old soul dream apartment at first glance but if you look at it closely youll notice the wallpaper is all crunched up, the lamps are barely throwing light and the centerpiece is a playing table. It shows the true sketchy nature of the guy.
those are called "townhouses", and everyone up the social ladder (mostly the aristocracy and the titled nobility including the royals) had one when they were in London during the Season (e.g. the Tons of the "Bridgerton" franchise, Grimmauld Place in the "Harry Potter" film series) otherwise, they were often found at their country estates (at which Downton classifies as one)
It’s not that he has an apartment that they’re talking about. They were looking at the card table covered with marked cards and that he apparently spends all his time learning to be a better cheat. Also that he portrays himself as a wealthy gentleman with money, but really only has any funds at all through card cheating and blackmailing.
"Do you want the heir to the throne to be lampooned across the world with a story that will never sleep even when he's safely crowned and married to a foreign princess?" - well, that didn't age well now, did it?
Good ole Bates he has a skill or two. Was wise of him to not let on to Cora or Lord Granhum. I think Mary caught on. Bates is honest & loyal knows what side his bread is buttered on. Love this episode 🎉❤😊🎉❤😊😅
Downton Abbey is my favorite show. Julian Fellowes has to be the world's best script writer for period pieces. Love, Love, Love, Downton Abbey, also, the quality of acting is bar none
It was wise of Bates not to let the family in on all his less-than-savory skills. They'd ultimately end up worrying about what he may've been up to and be unnecessarily suspicious of him whenever something happened.
I think later Robert makes a comment that the prince might get himself in trouble again, but at least the Crawley family won't be involved. That was foreshadowing.
It was gracious of Lord Grantham to give him the position in the first place considering his limp, and he does get thanked plenty by Lord Grantham but he doesn't strike me as the type who needs emphatic thanks all the time. Also they were on his side when he was wrongfully accused of murder.
"I'll be sorry if he means to revives the ways of his Grandpa-pa, winking at every beauty in a Opera box." In the Royal family, the apple never falls far from the orchard.
I mean, during Bertie's coronation his mistresses (headed notably by Lillie Langtry, then Lady de Bathe (2nd marriage for her, 1st for Baronet Hugo); Alice Keppel, coincidentally Queen Camilla's great-grandmother; & Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick) were seated at a reserved place which was unofficially called "The King's Loose Box"
I love downtown Abby . Actors and actrices are so talented…. I wonder where do they study acting because it’s so good it looks real. ❤ Pity I haven’t followed all the episodes! It reminds me of upstairs and downstairs but more refined! Can’t get enough of it!!
5:43- It's wild that to them that's a drab apartment. To anyone today, that's a palace. Also, as kind and loving as Bates is, it's a delight to watch his efficient skills at work.
Luckily they were able to retrieve the note and at absolutely no point in the future did the prince at any point got stuck in any controversial scandal...
He makes a mistake here: he says you can't steal something that already been stolen- uh, duh, yes you can. I just love Bates. He's matter of fact, to the point, not in the slightest ashamed at what has to be done. Capital!
Well, I think he simply means that if you retrieve a stolen item to return it to its rightful owner, your actions are morally justified. And it's hard for me to disagree. I guess the moral ideal would be to convince the thief to give it back, but that doesn't seem likely in this case.
“it must be a lonely job” “all the public want is a happy marriage at the palace. Is it so much to ask?” “you can’t steal something that’s already been stolen” 😂 the lines of them 😂
@markmh835 That may be the case, but it's unlikely she would have been in the movie. Bringing her back would have also meant bringing Atticus and their kid in, for what would be little more than cameo appearances.
Robert Crawley, 7th Earl of Grantham is indeed a loyal servant of the crown. Moved heaven and Earth to protect the crown, enlisted his own loyal people to assist and did all of that without the Prince having any idea it was happening.
This is one of my favourite episodes ... And Edward Fox, who plays Billy Allsopp, Baron Aysgarth, was once related by marriage to the real Freda Dudley Ward.
How does Bates know what they're looking for? For all he knew he could have just lifted a completely innocent letter and caused a really awkward situation. He knew they were trying to get into the apartment, but not why. They could have been after anything.
It's not like people didn't know the Prince of Wales was a playboy at this stage. They just hoped he would eventually grow up and marry someone who his ministers and the public could accept as Queen. (That and nobody had any choice in who would succeed to the throne. So the only way of "avoiding" the abdication crisis would have been him smartening up.)
@@harringt100People in high society knew, but in those days, the English papers did not write stories that would embarrass the monarchy, so most of the public were unaware of his dalliances.
@@ryansalvador9656 Thanks for pointing to the typo. I am well-known for being a lousy typists. I won't fix the typo so that my post will remain genuine.
This scene between Lord Graham and Bates is interesting. I sometimes think they did more during the war then fight together. I always like to think that Bates and Robert know Bates' talents so to speak but don't tell the others.
The downstairs crew is quite a devious and diverse bunch. You got a gay man, a (formerly) near-blind woman who is also a B&B owner, an heiress to a farm, a former stage performer, a jewel thief (or at least an accomplice), and a highly skilled convicted felon - who is married to a woman who helped STAGE A DEAD BODY. How has nobody made an anime fanfic of Downton Abbey?
Bates also served a stretch prior to the start of Season 1 for theft of regimental silver (actually stolen by his then wife). He served in the British Army for, I would guess, about 10 years, enlisted in Robert's regiment (Guards) including 2d Boer War service. He was, as the Duke of Wellington put it, "a man of his hands".
@@ayameisastarHe wasn’t in prison that long for Vera’s murder. It’s more likely he learned his skills when he was in prison for two years before he came to Downton.
He means morally speaking, you can't steal anything that's already been stolen because it's not theirs. I had that situation with my bicycle that was stolen because it wasn't locked up, I found it a month later not locked up and "stole" it back. However, trespassing is another matter.
@@盧璘壽로인수 WhoDunIt" was coined by News Of Books reviewer Donald Gordon in 1930, in his review of the detective novel "Half-Mast Murder" written by Milward Kennedy.
I think they couldn't resist having Maggie Smith make an allusion to _Gosford Park_ in which she was indeed "trapped" in the cast of a "WhoDunIt" as Constance, Countess of Trentham. That film was set in 1932 indeed.
Lady Mary without hesitating: "I'll do it; I don't mind lying." And the look that her mother gives her. 😆
The Dowager at one point tells Tom he's a terrible at lying, and how she couldn't have done what she needed i her life if she couldn't lie. She taught Mary well.
Exactly!😅
😂 sometimes I just love Mary
I’ve never noticed her side eye the countless times I’ve watched this show to completion. Thank you for this!! ❤❤
Jeez she was quick w/ that statement.
Bates is a manly man. Keeps his opinions to himself, has a lot of interesting skills, unswervingly loyal, big heart, and gets the job done quietly and efficiently. Got himself a sweet and lovely wife too.
@@kachi9293Bates was meant to be with Anna and Baxter was meant to be with Molesley!
@@kachi9293 Opposites attract in both of these cases.
@@jimmyjohnsonjnr You are reported to TH-cam for being repulsive and spreading repulsive disinformation in the comment columns. Cheers!
What caught my eye about Bates is just how much he reminds me of myself. And I say that with shear humbleness.
@@alonenjersey ur wife is lucky bro
This was one of my favorite scenes, just the false innocence of Bates "So the man is here in London" "He is, my lord", is enough to make the scene.
And just the millisecond pause he takes to phrase it.
I’m pretty sure Lord G knew but to polite to to “accuse” Bates.
"He had nothing else on."
Sniggles 😅
"You can't steal something that's already been stolen." I love that line!
Obviously the statement as is would be incorrect, but the sentiment was correct: It wouldn't be called stealing if you are trying to recover stolen property for its rightful owner. And, as that is exactly what the Downton people were trying to do, as they said, 'it is all strictly aboveboard'.
@@NemisCassander Right, but who asked you to explain the obvious? Everyone here understands this, mate.
Tell THAT to O.J. Simpson who went to prison for that very thing.
He never went to prison but he's dead though. @@puffeiffer
@@hananelmarlowe Are you acting stupid? Or is this synaptic misfire real? He went to prison for 9 YEARS, dear. For trying to rob a dealer of memorabilia Simpson claimed had been stolen from him. He, too, argues he couldn’t be stealing something which had already been stolen from him. The court and the laws disagreed.
Don't you just love Mr. Bates? Smooth, cool and loyal.
But he conveniently "happened" to be in London. LOL
What's not to love?
And cunning as a rat
Superbly done. Bates was able to use all the techniques he had learnt in his shady past - forging, pick-pocketing, to save the Prince of Wales. I love the story-line. Very clever. Very well done.
He didn't have a shady past. He took the blame for his wife thieving and after he was in prison, because he was falsely accused of murdering her. How lucky for Prince Edward the useless, that Bates had learned a thing or two.
@@rheailiarome2287 If you are a skilled pickpocket and forger, by definition you had a shady past. You don't get classes in those skills just by being in prison and you don't perfect them by getting a class. You perfect them by plenty of usage.
He admitted to Robert that he had a shady past, and that wasn't what happened with his wife's thieving. It was after he left prison . He told Robert he slipped into shameful behaviour.
Robert and Mary knew more than they said explicitly. Both clearly knew in the glances they gave that Bates was the forger, and had taken the letter. They each played a game. They pretended they didn't know while knowing, though pretending to believe there was a forger 'friend''. Bates pretended not to know that they knew. It is a standard trick over something illegal, criminal or dodgy. Everyone puts on the innocent act in their conversations while all know the truth, and all know the other side knows they know.
@@rheailiarome2287 you mean Edward the Traitor King
Prison was an education. 😀
@@flyboy152 no wonder "school" is a euphemistic term kkkk
Always love the look Cora gives Mary after she says she doesn’t mind lying. Loving but also ‘what have I raised?’
I love this story especially Bates putting on the coat.
I really love how Bates has all this criminal intelligence but only uses it for good things, highly loyal and decent.
I miss downton. Need to binge watch it again from the start.
Its on ITV3
I think the same thing every time I see these little snippets. Love them. 😊
@@innercircle341 It's on Netflix as well
@@KLowe-of5yz yes! I’m forever watching the snippets 😂 just need to start over again….. then again….. then again.
@@CountryChloDoh I even have a Downton Folder and I keep the snippets I really like, so I can watch them over again. LOLOL.
Anyone would be Blessed to have a Friend like Mr. Bates😊
With friends like Bates... enemies are few and far between.
I liked the way Mr Bates worked as he is a cool customer,and in this case,had more brains than his Lordship and more quick thinking
Most ppl talk about the younger cast members of downtown, but without "Robert" the series nor the movies would be a success. Thank you Mr. Bonneville for playing the lead as Robert Crawley you're one classy guy. America sends warm wishes
Actually, most people talk about Maggie Smith who is obviously not the young cast, and in general people talk about EVERYONE in the main cast, young and older. If you're talking about Robert, it's worth saying that Cora is also the crucial element of the appeal of the show, as well as the actress.
Bates, one of my most favourite characters in Downton.
Brilliant! Bates to the rescue using his excellent “street skills” and “street smarts” -once mastered never lost !
"So the man is here in London" 😂😂 HE SURE IS!
👍👌👏 Bates, cool as ice! A hell of a guy.
What a stroke luck that the forger just happens to be in London
In London. In the House. In the Drawing room.
@@m.layfette6249with the pen
I've never seen the forger and Bates in the same room at the same time...
Every household should have a servant as cunning and crafty as Bates. I love his bland looks and inscrutable face.
Just love the look on Roberts face at 1:08 hes like: wait a minute, ill aks Bates and Bates.....will take care of it. They all can be rather cunning, but of course it wouldnt be polite to spell it out openly.
Mary was dissing his rooms but I was like “they’re kinda fancy. What a nice apartment”.
me too I don't get it 😂 but then they are lord and ladies lol and live in huge mansion
It does look like an old soul dream apartment at first glance but if you look at it closely youll notice the wallpaper is all crunched up, the lamps are barely throwing light and the centerpiece is a playing table. It shows the true sketchy nature of the guy.
those are called "townhouses", and everyone up the social ladder (mostly the aristocracy and the titled nobility including the royals) had one when they were in London during the Season (e.g. the Tons of the "Bridgerton" franchise, Grimmauld Place in the "Harry Potter" film series)
otherwise, they were often found at their country estates (at which Downton classifies as one)
It’s not that he has an apartment that they’re talking about. They were looking at the card table covered with marked cards and that he apparently spends all his time learning to be a better cheat. Also that he portrays himself as a wealthy gentleman with money, but really only has any funds at all through card cheating and blackmailing.
@@staciecarrel4492 ooh didn't get that part, thanks for that
I like that Robert is for once portrayed as quite crafty and determined organizer of something that must be done and not as a buffoon.
Bates is such a great character 😁
"Do you want the heir to the throne to be lampooned across the world with a story that will never sleep even when he's safely crowned and married to a foreign princess?" - well, that didn't age well now, did it?
Uh, no it didn't.
@@margaretross9150 He gave up the throne for a chick named Wallis Simpson.
I'm sure that putting that in was entirely deliberate :)
Good ole Bates he has a skill or two. Was wise of him to not let on to Cora or Lord Granhum.
I think Mary caught on.
Bates is honest & loyal knows what side his bread is buttered on. Love this episode 🎉❤😊🎉❤😊😅
I love Mary's gasp at 8:06.
We don't often see Lady Mary speechless like that!
Downton Abbey is my favorite show. Julian Fellowes has to be the world's best script writer for period pieces. Love, Love, Love, Downton Abbey, also, the quality of acting is bar none
Doctor Thorne is my favorite of his work beside Downton. Amazing casting and scripting.
The script writer, I totally agree. But the books ... I'm stuck in the middle of Snobs, and Belgravia was very, very boring.
It was wise of Bates not to let the family in on all his less-than-savory skills. They'd ultimately end up worrying about what he may've been up to and be unnecessarily suspicious of him whenever something happened.
I think they knew exactly how he got it.
@@JS-fe8sx I think the Earl had suspicions, and Mary very clearly didn't believe the cover story. So I'd say Mary knew, at least.
Bates told the Earl how he got it, out of the "gentleman's" inside breast pocket, so there was no doubt on the Earls part
I love how his tactic is the classic “I know a guy.” Sure, he “knows” a guy who can forge documents…
Lol, no. They understood perfectly well what was going on. That's just how those things are done - without spelling it out.
That was a great episode, definitely one of my favorites!
WOW... THAT WAS SOME GREAT ACTING......I WAS TOTALLY RIGHT THERE IN THE SCENE. LOVE IT.❣️
🌹🫶 BRAVO 👏 👏 👏
My absolute favorite episode ❤
This was such a good show. I was sad when the series ended
One of my favorite moments on this show is Samson’s discovery that he no longer has the purloined letter. Sweet justice!!
The game is out.
I always thought that Robert knew exactly what he was saying and who he was saying it to.
Given the destiny of Edward VIII, this whole storyline was inspired.
The writers were so prescient!
I think later Robert makes a comment that the prince might get himself in trouble again, but at least the Crawley family won't be involved. That was foreshadowing.
The shock on the girls faces when they see the letter will never not be iconic!
It always bothered me how they didn’t thank and appreciate Bates enough.
It was gracious of Lord Grantham to give him the position in the first place considering his limp, and he does get thanked plenty by Lord Grantham but he doesn't strike me as the type who needs emphatic thanks all the time.
Also they were on his side when he was wrongfully accused of murder.
Please do not feature small scenes of this phenomenal drama. Run it again. I’ll love to watch it all again. Thank you.
'Do you mean a forger, my Lord?'
'Yes, I suppose I do.'
😂😂
Fantastic story
What would the Crawleys do without Mr. Bates.
"I'll be sorry if he means to revives the ways of his Grandpa-pa, winking at every beauty in a Opera box."
In the Royal family, the apple never falls far from the orchard.
Hindsight is great, isn't it!
Current 👑!
@@neilgerace355 "If I were to search for logic, I would look for it among the English upper class." 😂🤣
@@jamesfracasse8178 More like King Charles' Great-great-great Grandfather on his mother's side. (Queen Victoria's eldest son Bertie (King Edward VII))
I mean, during Bertie's coronation his mistresses (headed notably by Lillie Langtry, then Lady de Bathe (2nd marriage for her, 1st for Baronet Hugo); Alice Keppel, coincidentally Queen Camilla's great-grandmother; & Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick) were seated at a reserved place which was unofficially called "The King's Loose Box"
3:35 Common theme amongst recent Prince of Wales 😅
That Robert! "Mr. Samson appears to have dropped it."
I love downtown Abby . Actors and actrices are so talented…. I wonder where do they study acting because it’s so good it looks real. ❤
Pity I haven’t followed all the episodes!
It reminds me of upstairs and downstairs but more refined!
Can’t get enough of it!!
You wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of Bates, he's got hidden talents
A little James Bond in Bates
5:43- It's wild that to them that's a drab apartment. To anyone today, that's a palace.
Also, as kind and loving as Bates is, it's a delight to watch his efficient skills at work.
It's not a palace, it's just a more old-fashioned style of decor that looks fancy nowadays. And it's probably a small apartment.
I never picked up on Bates actually being the forger before...
Poor dumb Rose did not 'get it' but of course Mary was right on the button!
Bates was channeling Jeeves in this episode.
Luckily they were able to retrieve the note and at absolutely no point in the future did the prince at any point got stuck in any controversial scandal...
Surely, you jest.
*get
He makes a mistake here: he says you can't steal something that already been stolen- uh, duh, yes you can.
I just love Bates. He's matter of fact, to the point, not in the slightest ashamed at what has to be done. Capital!
That was Roberts rationalization for getting the letter back. He knew better.
Well, I think he simply means that if you retrieve a stolen item to return it to its rightful owner, your actions are morally justified. And it's hard for me to disagree. I guess the moral ideal would be to convince the thief to give it back, but that doesn't seem likely in this case.
“it must be a lonely job”
“all the public want is a happy marriage at the palace. Is it so much to ask?”
“you can’t steal something that’s already been stolen” 😂
the lines of them 😂
Yeah, especially in light of what will happen In the future....Wallis Simpson, the abdication.... Charles and Diana....
@naobe5 at least we got Bertie and Elizabeth and Edward and Sophie.
The fact that Grantham still trusted bates to dress him everyday after knowing he can swipe any document from his inner pocket 🤣
It's always useful to have a "made man" available when you need one 😉
It was sad they didn't Bring back Lady Rose in the Downton Abbey Movie
lily James said she wanted to, but was denied because they don't have enough screentime 😂to add her
The cast was already very large, they didn’t need more characters with bit parts.
But I had read that Lily James was already busy with a different project when they were filming the movie so wasn't available.
@markmh835 That may be the case, but it's unlikely she would have been in the movie. Bringing her back would have also meant bringing Atticus and their kid in, for what would be little more than cameo appearances.
Smooth. Bates IS the forger also.
Robert Crawley, 7th Earl of Grantham is indeed a loyal servant of the crown.
Moved heaven and Earth to protect the crown, enlisted his own loyal people to assist and did all of that without the Prince having any idea it was happening.
Bates is straight street!
The whole show is SO AMAZING 👏 I enjoyed every second of it, and the two movies too!!! Look at the Ladies, their outfits, the hair, AMAZING!!!
Bates is the man!
This is one of my favourite episodes ... And Edward Fox, who plays Billy Allsopp, Baron Aysgarth, was once related by marriage to the real Freda Dudley Ward.
"What a stroke of luck"...Matthew and Sybil aside, that could describe how the family survived as long as they did.
Lovely
8:06 is so much fun!!!
John Bates: thug, pickpocket, forger .. is there anything he can't do?
And incredibly loyal employee and husband. All in all a great combination
Was thinking about this episode just a few hours ago. 😂
How does Bates know what they're looking for? For all he knew he could have just lifted a completely innocent letter and caused a really awkward situation. He knew they were trying to get into the apartment, but not why. They could have been after anything.
That was what confused me. Maybe he overheard something that's not made clear in the episode?
Robert probably told him offscreen. He trusts Bates.
If it qas something innocent, they could have found it afterwards because it fall out of his cote
he wasn't illiterate... if it's something innocent they can just play the excuse card and said it was dropped when the hall boy put away his coat
Just to think if it wasn’t for Bates Edward VIII would have been found out sooner and the whole abdication crisis of 1936 might have been avoided!!
It's not like people didn't know the Prince of Wales was a playboy at this stage. They just hoped he would eventually grow up and marry someone who his ministers and the public could accept as Queen. (That and nobody had any choice in who would succeed to the throne. So the only way of "avoiding" the abdication crisis would have been him smartening up.)
@@harringt100People in high society knew, but in those days, the English papers did not write stories that would embarrass the monarchy, so most of the public were unaware of his dalliances.
You'd think he'd discretely check his coat pocket soon after putting on his coat.
Discreetly. Secretly. Quietly. Discrete means distinct.
@@ryansalvador9656 Thanks for pointing to the typo. I am well-known for being a lousy typists. I won't fix the typo so that my post will remain genuine.
This scene between Lord Graham and Bates is interesting. I sometimes think they did more during the war then fight together. I always like to think that Bates and Robert know Bates' talents so to speak but don't tell the others.
When Bates served with Robert in South Africa, he hadn’t acquired most of his criminal skills yet.
Oh my, the poor, poor royal heir.
One of the more exciting episodes, tinged with a bit of historical hearsay. So dramatic!
Good old Bates, not a man to get on the wrong side of 👍❤️
“Even when he’s safely crowned and married to a foreign princess” eesh that didn’t work out
Oh the irony @ 3:35. Cheeky writers.
The downstairs crew is quite a devious and diverse bunch. You got a gay man, a (formerly) near-blind woman who is also a B&B owner, an heiress to a farm, a former stage performer, a jewel thief (or at least an accomplice), and a highly skilled convicted felon - who is married to a woman who helped STAGE A DEAD BODY. How has nobody made an anime fanfic of Downton Abbey?
Lucky they didn't have scanners or photocopying machines yet. 😅
Bates is really a criminal master mind.
Grantham's Eleven.
One of the best scenes,I will always call Bates "sticky finger Bates"
I think our Mr. Bates has a sordid past we don't know about. 😆
Really? I thought the implication is that he learned it all when he was in prison for the murder of his wife.
@@ayameisastar Yes that was Mr. Bates implication.
Bates also served a stretch prior to the start of Season 1 for theft of regimental silver (actually stolen by his then wife). He served in the British Army for, I would guess, about 10 years, enlisted in Robert's regiment (Guards) including 2d Boer War service. He was, as the Duke of Wellington put it, "a man of his hands".
@@ayameisastarHe wasn’t in prison that long for Vera’s murder. It’s more likely he learned his skills when he was in prison for two years before he came to Downton.
I never understood the intrigue. what happened actually?
Who thinks Bates would make a fine master criminal?
The forger being in London at that time was a stroke of luck indeed.
And no ink stains on Bate's hands - or were there??? Da, da dun.
That ‘see you upstairs’ was ‘buhdass,’ as my father would say.
so satisfying :)
You can in fact steal something that has already been stolen. Robert speaking nonsense.😅 But Bates as always comes through like an angel.
He means morally speaking, you can't steal anything that's already been stolen because it's not theirs. I had that situation with my bicycle that was stolen because it wasn't locked up, I found it a month later not locked up and "stole" it back.
However, trespassing is another matter.
The things you can learn in prison might become useful one day 🤣🤭☹️
7:17 anachronism: the term Whodunit hadn’t been coined yet.
when was it coined
@@盧璘壽로인수 WhoDunIt" was coined by News Of Books reviewer Donald Gordon in 1930, in his review of the detective novel "Half-Mast Murder" written by Milward Kennedy.
@@Geellun what year was this scene set in?
@@盧璘壽로인수 1922
I think they couldn't resist having Maggie Smith make an allusion to _Gosford Park_ in which she was indeed "trapped" in the cast of a "WhoDunIt" as Constance, Countess of Trentham. That film was set in 1932 indeed.
lol they did all that and the man ruined himself within the year anyway 😂😂
Does Bates get a raise ?
Bates had to be a spy when he was in the army.
Bates...by far was the most dangerous person in that house!
So who was king and queen of England back then?
Edgar Allan Poe would have loved this!
Bates...being the artful dodger..
They just started repeats on ITV3. I'm watching S01 E02 as I type. The Crawley's are just having dinner with the family. Mary, mooooooookow
Umm gon